[02:31] <ryanakca> hm... for feisty, should I package "Monkey Studio Beta  	2006.1.6.0-d-1.0.1" or "Monkey Studio Stable  	2006.1.5.3"? Monkey Studio = development app...
[02:46] <crimsun> I wouldn't package a beta unless upstream blesses it.
[02:58] <jdong> lotusleaf: stop contributing to global warming and find yourself another archiver :D
[02:58] <jdong> ;-)
[02:58] <lotusleaf> :D
[02:58] <lotusleaf> jdong: kdar, I mourn for thee!
[03:05] <nixternal> hey, got a guy from the Chicago LUG with KDE & Qt experience. I believe he is an IIT student in Chicago. He might be stopping by, he goes by manchicken
[03:13] <ryanakca> crimsun: kk, ty
[10:00] <lotusleaf> I was considering testing compiz in kubuntu to look for/file bugs, but I don't see a compiz-kde package as one page on wiki.ubuntu.com refers to, does anyone here use/test compiz on kubuntu edgy?
[10:01] <Riddell> the compiz-kde package was only ever a placeholder package, no real code in it
[10:01] <Riddell> the compiz-gnome window manager should work fine, but obviously it needs all the gnome deps
[10:01] <lotusleaf> Riddell: thx, ah and I see "The "compiz" packages in edgy's universe repo are actually beryl from back when it was called compiz-quinn." posted to the forums by Amaranth
[10:02] <lotusleaf> Riddell: not a problem dep wise, thx for the details
[10:02] <lotusleaf> so compiz in the repo is actually beryl?
[10:02] <lotusleaf> whatever it is, I'll be sure and test it =)
[10:05] <lotusleaf> I'm not much of a fan of using 3rd party repos anyway, compiz it is! :)
[10:06] <Riddell> I doubt compiz packages are really beryl, that would be quite wrong.  imbrandon would know better
[10:08] <lotusleaf> Riddell: k, thx, I saw this as well today "<Burgundavia> note that compiz in edgy is compiz-quinn ie beryl" so it made me wonder, thank you for your quick + informative replies, I appreciate it :) I'll test compiz in repo
[10:09] <lotusleaf> and I'll poke imbrandon re: next time I see him ;)
[10:10] <Riddell> quite possibly the edgy package is old then
[10:12] <lotusleaf> Riddell: thx, I'm inquiring in #ubuntu-motu
[10:29] <\sh> moins
[10:30] <Riddell> abend
[10:33] <\sh> *g*
[11:00] <Tonio_> hi everyone
[11:01] <Riddell> hi Tonio_
[11:02] <freeflying|away> Tonio_: hey
[11:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm uploading sime's debdiff for kdebase if you didn't do it already :)
[11:03] <Tonio_> hi Riddell, freeflying|away
[11:03] <Riddell> Tonio_: I've not, go ahead
[11:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: great !
[11:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/digikam/+bug/73617
[11:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73617 in digikam "SRU proposal" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[11:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: nobody gave a look, should I ping mdz concerning this ?
[11:05] <Riddell> he's not doing SRUs just now
[11:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay I'll wait a bit then
[11:06] <Tonio_> the process for sru is just.... heavy....
[11:06] <Tonio_> we gone from nothing serious to something "too complicated" in my opinion
[11:07] <Riddell> you can politely ping cjwatson, but he'll only get to it when he can
[11:07] <Riddell> I don't think it's too complicated, but it's certainly too easily blocked
[11:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah that's the point
[11:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: not complicated, but a lot of bureaucraty
[11:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: it that case it is just a matter of debian/*.install files
[11:09] <Riddell> oh it's complicated too, but that's justified :)
[11:09] <Tonio_> not a new patch of backport that needs testing
[11:09] <Tonio_> s/of/backport
[11:09] <Tonio_> grrr s/of/or
[11:11] <\sh> who is working on raphinks itchtux?
[11:11] <Tonio_> \sh: you have a launchpad group, lemme find it
[11:12] <Riddell> I think you have the wrong spelling there though :)
[11:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: french -> english :) "there is a launchpad group"
[11:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: just woke up, that explains, time for my brain to come to english and that's okay
[11:13] <Riddell> no, I mean itchtux is a great name for a distro but not the right one
[11:13] <Tonio_> ichthux
[11:14] <\sh> what is the meaning of ichthux? ,-)
[11:14] <Riddell> it's the greek word for fish I think
[11:14] <Jucato> yep
[11:14] <Tonio_> \sh: you have the list of people there : https://launchpad.net/people/ichthux-dev
[11:14] <Jucato> but not the exact word/spelling
[11:14] <Riddell> as in fishing for men, as Jesus was said to do
[11:14] <\sh> I need it for the church of my GF I want to promote Ubuntu to them...and having some christianity touch it's much better for me to promote linux
[11:14] <Riddell> Jucato: well the exact spelling will be in the Greek alphabet
[11:15] <Jucato> heh.. I meant the -ux part. iirc it's something like icthyus.... I forgot...
[11:15] <Tonio_> Jucato, Riddell: all is explained on the http://www.ichthux.com page
[11:16] <\sh> cool...that's what I needed
[11:16] <\sh> thx raphink and all the others ;)
[11:16] <raphink> hi
[11:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was looking in merging kwin-style-crystal, but that's a pure mess....
[11:17] <\sh> hey raphink :) how are you? :)
[11:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: the package structure has changed a lot, and now includes dapper and edgy stuff as styles, but the edgy is invalid....
[11:17] <raphink> good :)
[11:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: fdoving has done a sync request
[11:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: if I wanna patch everything, that'll be a pure mess, especially when the patch includes a lot of binary stuff...
[11:18] <Riddell> what's invalid about it?
[11:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: the edgy theme in the tarball is the dapper one
[11:18] <Riddell> ug
[11:18] <Tonio_> so we have to correct this, and create a full edgy branch in it
[11:18] <raphink> how are you \sh?
[11:19] <Riddell> Tonio_: are there any other changes?  any disadvantage to just keeping the package we have?
[11:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: we should sync this otherwise we'll loose all the graphics done by kwwii
[11:19] <\sh> raphink: great a light cold..but ok...and I want to promote ichthux to this community: http://www.cgk-online.de/index.php?id=2100&L=1
[11:19] <raphink> nice :)
[11:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: no issues keeping the package we have, except that people cannot choose the theme they want
[11:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll try to get it finished and all the patched fixed upstream
[11:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: but here is my plan :
[11:20] <raphink> \sh: did you talk about it with zerlinna?
[11:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll create a new tarball and try to get it released upstream, so that we can merge without 2 bigs binary patches
[11:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: should I cancel the sync request then?
[11:20] <raphink> I think she introduced it to various christian communities in Germany and Switzerland
[11:20] <Tonio_> and I'll just have to maintain the edgy branch
[11:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: what do you mean by maintain the edgy branch?
[11:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, probably, I'll get the tarball fixed first, and wait for a release to do a simple new package
[11:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: I mean the feisty, sorry :)
[11:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I don't want a crappy patch for edgy theme on feisty in fact, so getting the tarball fixed upstream is really easier
[11:22] <cmvo> ll
[11:22] <Tonio_> because patches with binariy datas are a pain to maintain........
[11:23] <Riddell> yes
[11:23] <cmvo> Hi! Sorry, wrong window :-)
[11:23] <\sh> raphink: nope...but I'll do :)
[11:23] <raphink> ok :)
[11:23] <raphink> she has transalted the icththux website into german, too
[11:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll contact upstream today, with a new tarball and let you know
[11:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: but you should cancel the sync request first, I'll handle the stuff to get it clean in feisty
[11:24] <Riddell> done
[11:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks
[11:24] <Tonio_> raphink: hey ;
[11:24] <raphink> yop Tonio_
[11:24] <Tonio_> raphink: need a motu to advocate jabbin once more for upload :)
[11:25] <raphink> hmm not right now
[11:25] <Tonio_> raphink: any chance you can help me ?
[11:25] <raphink> can you remind me of it later?
[11:25] <raphink> I'm a bit busy now :)
[11:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure
[11:25] <Tonio_> raphink: I asked on ubuntu-motu but "je me suis pris un putain de vent !"
[11:25] <raphink> ouh l
[11:26] <Tonio_> genre mistral des mauvais jours :)
[11:26] <raphink> j'ai surestim la taille d'un miroir Debian complet
[11:26] <raphink> d'un facteur 10 environ
[11:26] <Tonio_> lol
[11:26] <Tonio_> combien de gigas ?
[11:26] <raphink> lol
[11:26] <raphink> l je suis  55GB et c'est pas fini
[11:27] <Tonio_> lol
[11:27] <raphink> mais j'avais compt dans les 200 plutt
[11:27] <raphink> enfin bon
[11:27] <raphink> au moins j'ai de la place
[11:27] <raphink> j'ai rserv 550GB de paquets :)
[11:27] <Tonio_> ho, fyi all, I am proud to annouce I and my gf are getting married in June 2008 ;)
[11:27] <raphink> really :)
[11:27] <raphink> congrats :)
[11:27] <raphink> I just got engaged too :)
[11:27] <Tonio_> I know it is /mylife but I wanna say it :)
[11:27] <raphink> last friday :)
[11:27] <Tonio_> raphink: hehe, great !
[11:27] <Riddell> raphink: ooh!
[11:28] <Tonio_> raphink: when are you getting married ?
[11:28] <raphink> no idea yet really
[11:28] <raphink> probably around april or may
[11:28] <Riddell> have a double wedding!
[11:28] <Tonio_> this year ?
[11:28] <raphink> yes
[11:28] <Tonio_> isn't that too late to find a place ?
[11:28] <raphink> hmmm I don' tknow
[11:29] <raphink> a place for what?
[11:29] <raphink> lol
[11:29] <Tonio_> if you want a great place, it is just about 1 year before the date.........
[11:29] <Tonio_> bah une salle pour faire la fte !
[11:29] <raphink> bah
[11:29] <Tonio_> that's why it'll be in 2008 for us
[11:29] <raphink> on peut aller chez ma grand mre  la campagne :)
[11:29] <Tonio_> dans ce cas ;)
[11:29] <raphink> l o mes parents se sont maris
[11:29] <raphink> :)
[11:29] <raphink> 2hectares de terrain
[11:30] <raphink> de la place pour accueillir pas mal de monde
[11:30] <raphink> :)
[11:30] <Tonio_> cool ;)
[11:30] <raphink> et 3 maisons  moins de 500m
[11:30] <raphink> enfin bon on verra
[11:30] <raphink> je ne me fais pas de soucis pour ce genre de choses
[11:30] <raphink> :)
[11:30] <Tonio_> tu fais civil et religieux le meme jour ou tu separes les trucs ?
[11:30] <Tonio_> genre civil vite fait et religieux apres
[11:30] <Tonio_> ?
[11:30] <raphink> je ne sais pas encore
[11:31] <raphink> on aimerais bien faire le mme jour
[11:31] <Tonio_> pour moi ce sera juste civil, donc ce sera ca la grosse fte
[11:31] <raphink> mais vu qu'on est de deux pays diffrents sparer a pourrait aider
[11:31] <Tonio_> bah le bleme c que le meme jour c la course a organiser
[11:31] <raphink> oui
[11:31] <Tonio_> c pour a que je serai toi, je ferai le civil d'abord, bacl et vite fait, car ca tu t'en fous
[11:31] <raphink> ce qui compte pour nous c'est le mariage religieux
[11:31] <Tonio_> et tu fais un vrai marriage religieux apres
[11:31] <raphink> pour nous le marige civil n'est qu'une formalit administrative
[11:31] <Tonio_> bah voui logique
[11:32] <Tonio_> donc te fais pas chier a faire ca le meme jour
[11:32] <raphink> oui
[11:32] <raphink> enfin surtout
[11:32] <raphink> a permettrait de faire le mariage civil en hollande
[11:32] <raphink> et le mariage religieux en france
[11:32] <Tonio_> vi
[11:32] <raphink> enfin on verra
[11:32] <raphink> :)
[11:32] <Tonio_> hehe
[11:33] <raphink> bon je re
[11:33] <Tonio_> oki ++
[11:44] <Riddell> fdoving: I uploaded your adept fix
[11:45] <Riddell> but there's a whole chain of dependencies there that needs various things done
[11:45] <Riddell> libapt-pkg-dev (build failure on i386, mvo fixing) -> libboost-dev (needs merge/sync, requested) -> libwibble-dev (main inclusion report pending review) -> libtagcoll2-dev (not synced from debian for some reason, requested, needs promoted to main, renamed libtagcoll) -> libept-dev (in NEW, needs promoted to main, renamed lib libapt-front) -> debtags (new version, needs merged with Debian) -> adept (fix from fdoving)
[11:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: watch that Lure uploaded 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-1ubuntu11, if you're doing kdebase
[11:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: I did the upload, including Lure's changelog
[11:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: Lure doesn't have upload rights afaik :)
[11:56] <Riddell> oh, that makes sense then
[12:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm going to test opensuse 10.2 today to compare the "bugs" their 3.5.5 has
[12:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: maube we can find a fix for kwallet or kdesktop partially in english
[12:18] <Tonio_> that kwallet issue drives me nuts........ george staikos doesn't care at all...
[12:19] <Tonio_> I'd like to test a usb key too to see if they have the unmount dialog
[12:20] <Tonio_> nixternal: I'm updating tellico fyi
[12:34] <Lure> Riddell, Tonio_: thanks for kdebase upload (whoever did it ;-))
[12:36] <Tonio_> Lure: you're welcome :)
[12:36] <Lure> Riddell: I have thought that ubiquity copies whole CD as is on disk - does this mean if we change file in k-d-s, that this will be copied too (or does it copy FS in pristine state)?
[12:36] <Lure> Riddell: talking about casper patch for disableSuspend on Live CD
[12:38] <Lure> Tonio_: btw, why does kmplayer-base depend on libgstreamer? I thought that we do not use gstreamer in Kubuntu
[12:40] <Tonio_> does it ?
[12:40] <Tonio_> Lure: well it is built with gstreamer support yes
[12:40] <Tonio_> Lure: that's better if people want to switch
[12:40] <Lure> Tonio_: can we switch to xine-only?
[12:40] <Tonio_> Lure: hum...
[12:41] <Tonio_> Lure: what would be the benefit ?
[12:42] <Tonio_> free space on the cd ? :)
[12:42] <Lure> Tonio_: less shit on the CD?
[12:42] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe okay :)
[12:42] <Tonio_> Lure: I'll have a look
[12:42] <Tonio_> but in that case I have to patch the whole sources of gstreamer menus and entries.......
[12:42] <Tonio_> hard to maintain
[12:42] <Lure> Tonio_: I was just suprised to see gstreamer - maybe Riddell has good reason to keep it...
[12:43] <Tonio_> Lure: well I don't think riddell ever touched that package in fact
[12:43] <Tonio_> Lure: the problem is that gstreamer entries and menus are stricktly hardcoded, so I'll have to perform an heavy patch to get it to xine-only
[12:44] <Tonio_> Lure: but I'll do it, that better for multimedia simplification spec in any case
[12:44] <Lure> Tonio_: don't bother then.... Rather get rid of kmplayer completely ;-)
[12:44] <Tonio_> Lure: I'd like too, but can you fix kaffeine then ? ;)
[12:44] <Lure> Tonio_: just for firefox ;-)
[12:45] <Tonio_> Lure: kaffeine crashes konqueror everytime it is launched
[12:45] <Tonio_> but is stable in firefox..... shame
[12:46] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: bah they don't want to fix it, cause the issue is due to konqueror according to them
[12:46] <Tonio_> well technically the issue is in xine structure
[12:47] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: i noticed they dont seem they want to confirm it either let alone fix it
[12:47] <Tonio_> there is a good workarround that kmplayer upstream uses, but the kaffeine people don't want to go that way
[12:48] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: if I could get ridd of kmplayer, I would do it immediately
[12:48] <gnomefreak> why cant we?
[12:48] <gnomefreak> use mplayer instead
[12:48] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: this is a huuuuuuuuuuuudge change to kaffeine to perform
[12:48] <gnomefreak> oh
[12:48] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: mplayer -> multiverse
[12:48] <Tonio_> and kaffeine isn't mplayer compatible
[12:49] <Tonio_> kaffeine with gstreamer is stable
[12:49] <gnomefreak> oh damn
[12:49] <Tonio_> that could be a solution
[12:49] <Tonio_> but the issue is that amarok support for gstreamer is unmaintained :)
[12:49] <gnomefreak> so just the xine is crashing konq?
[12:49] <Tonio_> that's shit mess isn't it ? ;)
[12:49] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: yes
[12:49] <gnomefreak> amarok works great in xine :)
[12:49] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: yes too :)
[12:50] <Tonio_> there is no ideal solution in fact
[12:50] <gnomefreak> i only use gstreamer to rip cds
[12:50] <Tonio_> the only solution in my mind would be to fix kaffeine to work the way kmplayer does
[12:51] <gnomefreak> i guess there isnt a kmplayer-xine and kmplayer?
[12:51] <Tonio_> nope it is the same binary for all engines
[12:52] <gnomefreak> even your solution is a huge change
[12:53] <Tonio_> yes
[12:53] <gnomefreak> and its still upstream afaik
[12:53] <gnomefreak> good luck ;)
[12:53] <Tonio_> well if amarok support for gstreamer would be good, we could switch to gstreamer completly
[12:53] <gnomefreak> yuck
[12:53] <gnomefreak> too many different packages with gstreamer
[12:54] <Tonio_> yes, that's another issue I agree......
[12:54] <gnomefreak> as it is you nee d1-3 packages for xine to work on most things
[12:54] <Tonio_> but metapackages are your friends :)
[12:54] <gnomefreak> maybe 10 gstreamers
[12:55] <Tonio_> http://www.google.fr/search?q=kaffeine+xinitthreads&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
[12:55] <gnomefreak> ok good point if you can wrap them up in meta that would be great. only thing i am aware of with xine is the lack of w32 files but i say screw w32 :)
[12:55] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: if you want to investigate on the kaffeine issue, in case there is a fix, feel free ;)
[12:55] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: ill look at it
[12:56] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: I did without success
[12:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: there is a potential fix for kaffeine in fact, but that requires to patch konqueror and remove xinitthreads
[12:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't what the consequences can be........
[01:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'd be interested to test this
[01:00] <Tonio_> let's go !
[01:05] <gnomefreak> kmplayer anything like mplayer on what it provides codecs wise?
[01:05] <gnomefreak> like mplayer out of box player most anything including w32codecs
[01:06] <Tonio_> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=9802&forummode=2&forumpage=11&forumexplevel=0&forumthread=108006
[01:06] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: read this, everything is explained
[01:07] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: nope, kmplayer isn't a mplayer frontend, so it doesn't provide any codecs
[01:07] <gnomefreak> k
[01:07] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: there trick used by kmplayer upstream is explained there
[01:08] <gnomefreak> i sees it
[01:08] <gnomefreak> see*
[01:12] <gnomefreak> only thing that jumps out at me is the XinitThreads removal
[01:13] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: well technically, the fix would be to let konqueror call xinitthreads
[01:13] <Tonio_> I'll try a patch today eventually
[01:13] <gnomefreak> since we are not real far into feisty i say lets try it or atleast do it put it in a side repo and some of us can test?
[01:14] <Tonio_> yup
[01:14] <Tonio_> I'll put that on my repo
[01:14] <gnomefreak> k sounds good
[01:15] <gnomefreak> there was something i was gonna do and now i cant remmeber :(
[01:16] <gnomefreak> oh yeah konqueror
[01:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: why no gstreamer support in kmplayer?
[01:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: reduce size on the cd....
[01:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: cause this gives gstreamer deps on kmplayer-base that we ship
[01:27] <Riddell> no way to split it out into a separate package?
[01:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: nope, unfortunately
[01:28] <Tonio_> it is already splitted in fact, but the gstreamer support is on the binary itself
[01:28] <Riddell> tsk
[01:28] <Tonio_> ? in english please ;)
[01:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll try to investigate a bit more later, I'm just trying to fix konqueror to initialize xinitthreads first :)
[01:35] <mhb> do you know if there's a good (KDE) tool for setting the touchpad mouse up?
[01:35] <Tonio_> mhb: ksynaptics ?
[01:36] <Tonio_> mhb: not very friendly to use, but works
[01:36] <mhb> thanks, I'm gonna try that out
[01:36] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: while your in there can you fix KHTML ;
[01:36] <gnomefreak> )
[01:36] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: no ;) by far too complicated for me
[01:37] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[01:38] <mhb> since Feisty should improve hardware support for laptops, can't we somehow get that tool (or a modification) in default install?
[01:38] <Tonio_> mhb: I already asked about....
[01:39] <Tonio_> mhb: can be discussed as long as it doesn't autostart
[01:39] <mhb> I manage (or know people who do) a number of laptops and most of them have problems with their touchpad not working properly
[01:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: any opinion ? did you change your mind concerning ksynaptics since the uds ? ;)
[01:39] <mhb> Tonio_: can you autodetect a synaptics-like mouse?
[01:39] <Tonio_> mhb: hum, not sure
[01:40] <Tonio_> mhb: in that case there is a way to launch it only in that case, good point
[01:40] <mhb> Tonio_: actually it would be sufficient for me if it were accessible through systemsettings/Keyboard& Mouse
[01:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: I have no touchpad, I don't care :)
[01:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: trackpoint ? ;)
[01:40] <mhb> but out-of-the-box is kinda the ubuntu way
[01:40] <Tonio_> mhb: I agree, completly
[01:40] <Tonio_> mhb: we can discuss that in the meeting toonight
[01:41] <Tonio_> mhb: want to add to it the wikipage ?
[01:41] <mhb> Tonio_: I'll add it
[01:41] <Tonio_> mhb: great ! you'll have my support on that point
[01:41] <Tonio_> I'll eventually fix the package to remove the autolaunch thing
[02:15] <mhb_> Tonio_: agenda point added
[02:42] <Riddell> Czessi: seen the thread on kubuntu-users?  "Where to get key A714EB87D1B1F415?"
[02:43] <Czessi> Riddell: yes, I have seen
[02:49] <Tonio_> mhb_: thanks
[02:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: just patched kdebase with xinittread, will let you know about
[02:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: what about those kpdf complains ? do we really evilly patch it ?
[02:57] <Riddell> yes, we do
[02:57] <Riddell> but it's less evil than copies of xpdf (at least from our point of view)
[02:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, may I work on that today eventually ?
[02:58] <Riddell> of course
[02:58] <Tonio_> okay thanks
[02:59] <Riddell> seele: dialogue titles.  "Not Root User" or "You are not root"?  where main text is "Please run this software with administrative rights."
[02:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: ho talking about that, I discussed with mornfall concerning adept and the debconf variable initialisation
[02:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: it looks like an issue with kdesu in fact, since the code is already there
[03:00] <Tonio_> sudo adept-manager works, while kdesu doesn't
[03:00] <Riddell> I can well believe that
[03:00] <Tonio_> dunno what causes this issue... lack of xsession maybe ?
[03:00] <Riddell> kdesu probably deliberately clears the environment variables just to be difficult
[03:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I can make a launch script that xhost+ && kdesu adept-manager
[03:01] <Tonio_> but that really nasty ;)
[03:01] <Riddell> I do hope you're joking :)
[03:01] <Tonio_> lol :)
[03:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think the problem isn't that it clears the variables
[03:02] <Tonio_> I think the problem is that it fails since there is no X session launched as root, something like this
[03:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: this is why xhost+ resolves the issue...
[03:03] <Riddell> it's because the xauthority stuff isn't passed through
[03:03] <Tonio_> maybe I'm not very clear.... damned limited english :)
[03:03] <Tonio_> okay, that's clear indeed ;)
[03:04] <Tonio_> wow, the kpdf patch is hudge indeed....
[03:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: what's the problem with xpdf ?
[03:06] <Riddell> it has a million security holes, when we had 3 different copies of it in the archive (all different versions) it took ages to do the security updates each time
[03:06] <Riddell> koffice still has a copy in it
[03:07] <mhb> Lure: ping
[03:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: and isn't upstream interested in getting those patches in so that they can be correctly maintained ?
[03:09] <Riddell> no, upstream wanted to use xpdf
[03:09] <Riddell> that's changed for kde 4
[03:10] <Tonio_> okay great
[03:10] <Tonio_> I'll try to fix the print preview issue
[03:10] <Riddell> good luck, I don't know where you'd start on that
[03:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: bah.... I never know how to start on something :) sometimes I find, sometimes not
[03:11] <Tonio_> I've been able to fix the konqueror menus issuing... sometimes chance helps :)
[03:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: wengophone 2 in the archives and works, fyi
[03:20] <Riddell> ooh
[03:24] <mhb> Tonio_: seen Lure's comment on Agenda?
[03:26] <nixternal> Tonio_: cool with the tellico :)
[03:27] <Lure> mhb: pong (but not much time)
[03:28] <mhb> Lure: actually I talked with Tonio_ before I posted my Agenda point
[03:29] <Lure> mhb: ok, fine lets discuss in the evening - spec otherwise describes what was conclusion on UDS in Mt View
[03:29] <seele> Riddell: why not "Log in as administrator"?  That is the purpose of the dialog, or am I thinking of the wrong thing?
[03:29] <mhb> Lure: I'll read it and maybe rephrase the question
[03:30] <Tonio_> crash......... not good !
[03:31] <Riddell> seele: it's to tell you to run the application as root, not to log in as root (I'm still on language selector here)
[03:32] <Riddell> seele: my question was more if dialogue titles should be sentences (in sentence case with full stops) or titles (in title case)
[03:36] <seele> ah, title case IIRC
[03:37] <seele> there could be special cases, if you find one let me know so i can add a guideline ;P
[03:40] <Riddell> nothing special, just the gnome UI does it wrongly which confused me
[03:56] <bddebian> Heya
[03:57] <mhb> Tonio_: so what needs to be discussed today?
[03:57] <mhb> Tonio_: about ksynaptics
[03:58] <mhb> Tonio_: if I understand correctly you made some discussions at uds - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFeistyLaptop
[03:58] <Tonio_> yup
[03:59] <Tonio_> mhb: we needs to debate once and for all if we ant it
[04:00] <mhb> Tonio_: can you rephrase my agenda point so that it's clear what is to be discussed? thanks
[04:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ! the kaffeine guys are working on a solution to the konqueror crash ;)
[04:01] <Tonio_> yes, the problem comes from xlib pseudo-multithreading.
[04:01] <Tonio_>  We are working on a xcb solution.
[04:01] <Tonio_> message from upstream :)
[04:06] <Riddell> nice
[04:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: I hope it'll be released before feisty is out
[04:54] <fdoving> Riddell: about that hal issue, is there a bugreport? any idea what needs to be done?
[04:56] <fdoving> Riddell: I'll look at it if you point me to some info. I can also start poking people about the adept stuff if you want me to.
[04:57] <Riddell> fdoving: it's a couple of scripts that needs to be installed, I think it's just adding them into a .install file
[04:57] <Riddell> fdoving: the kde 3.5.5 archive already has the modified hal, but it's overridden by the update to dapper-updates
[04:57] <Riddell> fdoving: was it you who was talking about it the other day?
[04:58] <fdoving> no, allee had the problem in dapper.
[04:58] <fdoving> I wasn't part of that discussion..
[04:58] <Riddell> ah
[04:58] <Riddell> my mistake
[04:59] <fdoving> .. i can still fix it if the fix is known.
[04:59] <Riddell> work out what I changed in the hal in the kde-355 archive for dapper
[04:59] <Riddell> and do the same to the version now in dapper-updates
[04:59] <fdoving> roger.
[05:00] <fdoving> I'll look at it later today.. dinner first.
[05:01] <fdoving> About the adept work. if you can somehow make a list of what you've done (bug numbers for requests etc.) i can take over that job if you want me to.
[05:01] <Riddell> fdoving: what adept work?
[05:01] <Riddell> oh, the packages
[05:02] <fdoving> Riddell: the list you mentioned..
[05:03] <fdoving> some promotion to main.. etc. I can make the requests and poke you to confirm them etc. freeing your precious time to work on other fancy stuff.
[05:03] <Riddell> it's all blocking on other people at the moment
[05:03] <fdoving> ok.
[05:04] <Riddell> libapt-pkg-dev needs mvo to fix, libboost-dev need ubuntu-archive, libwibble-dev needs pitti to main review, libtagcoll2-dev needs ubuntu-archive for sync, libept-dev needs ubuntu-archive for NEW
[05:04] <fdoving> ok. so the requests are done, we're just waiting.
[05:05] <Riddell> yep
[05:05] <fdoving> ok. I'll have to go.. dinner. back later. see you.
[05:06] <Lure> Tonio_, Riddell: should we drop default/share/config/kcmlaptoprc from k-d-s as we do not ship it anymore? or does it make sense to lave it for users that will install klaptop?
[05:07] <Riddell> Lure: I don't think it does any harm to keep it, people still install klaptopdaemon
[05:07] <Tonio_> Lure: in some case
[05:07] <Tonio_> Lure: there is a few settings even for non-installed apps, like knemo
[05:07] <Tonio_> I do ship the config in case people want to use them
[05:08] <Lure> Riddell: ok, but we can remove changing in from casper as we do not have it in desktop CD, right?
[05:08] <Lure> s/in/it/
[05:09] <Riddell> yes
[05:13] <Tonio_> http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-8079411349144989883
[05:13] <Tonio_> LOL
[05:13] <Tonio_> japanese are completly crazy :)
[05:48] <Lure> Riddell: I have sent Mithrandir an e-mail with casper patch (you were on Cc)
[05:53] <zorglu_> q. i would like to link a programm with glibc in static under ubuntu, is there a package to get gnu libc in static ? (aka without the nss kludge)
[05:56] <Riddell> libc6-dev: /usr/lib/libc.a
[05:56] <Riddell> what nss kludge?
[05:58] <Lure> Riddell: why "congrats to Raphink and Tonio"?
[05:58] <Riddell> Lure: they're getting married
[05:58] <zorglu_> Riddell: when you link in static with this libc.a you got the nss (name service switch from /etc/nsswitch.conf) which it is not linked statically
[05:58] <zorglu_> Riddell: so the exe produced is not static and still requires the same glibc version to exist on the system you run
[05:59] <Lure> Tonio_, raphink: congrats! ^^^ ;-)
[05:59] <raphink> thanks Lure :)
[05:59] <raphink> Lure: just so you don't wonder longer, we're not getting married to one another though :p
[05:59] <raphink> we'll each have our own wives ;)
[05:59] <Lure> raphink: lol
[05:59] <zorglu_>  /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.a(gutils.o): In function `g_get_any_init_do': warning: Using 'getpwuid' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking <- Riddell the static linking produces this kind of message to warn you about it
[06:00] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe thanks :)
[06:00] <seaLne> raphink: "we'll each have our own wives"? plural?
[06:00] <raphink> yes one for me, thanks :)
[06:01] <seaLne> but you aren't having more than one each then? :)
[06:01] <raphink> no
[06:01] <raphink> one each
[06:01] <raphink> :)
[06:06] <zorglu_> Riddell: about this subject, http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Configuring-and-compiling.html search for --enable-static-nss
[06:13] <zorglu_> Riddell: ?
[06:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: I added an agenda point to discuss about kickoff
[06:17] <Tonio_> I saw it on suse and I must say I would really love the same
[06:17] <Tonio_> especially since kde4 could be based on that
[06:20] <mhb> Tonio_: do you have a screenshot?
[06:20] <Tonio_> mhb sure !
[06:22] <Tonio_> mhb: http://kde-apps.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=47224&file1=47224-1.png&file2=47224-2.jpg&file3=&name=openSUSE
[06:22] <Tonio_> I pretty much like it
[06:22] <Tonio_> it looks like modern and as interesting usability things
[06:24] <Tonio_> allee: ping ?
[06:24] <mhb> Tonio_: looks interesting
[06:24] <allee> Tonio_: pong!
[06:24] <mhb> Tonio_: has someone packaged it yet?
[06:24] <zorglu_> q. is there a channel for people coding on kubuntu ?
[06:24] <Tonio_> mhb: diserves a try in my opinion :)
[06:24] <Tonio_> mhb: nope
[06:25] <Tonio_> allee: is the kde-extra team planning on packaging kipi-plugins beta or do you wait for stable version ?
[06:25] <Tonio_> I can work on that and upload to alioth if needed
[06:25] <zorglu_> hehe uneasy to get an answer here :)
[06:28] <allee> Tonio_: Mhmm, I had a try some longer time ago and edgy (at that time) missed some pkgs.  Maybe this has changed not sure.
[06:29] <Tonio_> allee: okay so I'll probably wait for debian and sync....
[06:29] <Tonio_> no need to waste time on this :)
[06:29] <allee> Tonio_: I'll have a lock at kipi-pluigns again
[06:29] <allee> Tonio_: yes :)
[06:32] <Tonio_> allee: just testing digikam 9 -> kickass !
[06:34] <allee> Tonio_: oh, you have already exiv2 0.12 pkg version?
[06:34] <Tonio_> allee: nope, I'm playing with opensuse and an rpm package on another machine :)
[06:35] <Tonio_> allee: is latest exiv2 required for digikam9 ?
[06:36] <allee> Tonio_: heh,heh.   FWIW it seems to turn out that exiv2 0.10 in edgy has quite some bugs that lead to crashes :(
[06:36] <allee> Tonio_: yes.  due to 0.10 bugs
[06:36] <Tonio_> afaics, it is already in debian, which only has exiv2 0.10 right ?
[06:36] <allee> 0.11 -> 0.12 is mainly localication extention
[06:37] <Tonio_> allee: yes but that doesn't seem to be a big issue since debian unstable already has digikam 9 and exiv2 0.10
[06:37] <allee> Tonio_: yes.  We, well mark asked debian rm for an exception to get 0.12 into etch.  Hopefully we see a 0.12 tonight in experimental
[06:37] <Tonio_> should be working, at least building :)
[06:37] <Tonio_> allee: I'll test 0.12 ans eventually upload it to ubuntu
[06:38] <allee> Tonio_: I've build pkgs last night you get  a pkgs with an empty /usr/bin/ :)
[06:38] <Tonio_> allee: digikam packages ?
[06:38] <allee> Tonio_: no exiv2 0.12
[06:38] <Tonio_> ah.... Ill have a look
[06:38] <Tonio_> let's test right now
[06:38] <allee> Tonio_: 0.9 rc1 and exiv2 had severa crashes reported on ml and b.k.o
[06:39] <Tonio_> allee: okay probably due to exiv2 if my undersanding is correct
[06:39] <allee> Tonio_: alioth kde-extras has a ready debian dir assumed that exiv2 0.12 is available
[06:40] <allee> Tonio_: yes, exiv2 is blamed.  Digikam FAQ has an entry about this already
[06:40] <allee> Tonio_: ah, I have not merged you digikam/showfoto split to debian 'cause etch is too near for such games with NEW queue
[06:41] <toma> digikam is constantly depending on the latest and greatest, bad thing imho...
[06:42] <Tonio_> allee: building exiv 0.12, we'll see what happens
[06:42] <Tonio_> allee: hehe
[06:42] <allee> ^^ and that's an enhancement,
[06:43] <Tonio_> allee: who is Gilles ?
[06:43] <allee> usually he does it in digikam when a feature is missing
[06:43] <toma> allee: i dont think it is wise to release like this
[06:43] <allee> Tonio_: Gilles is the lead developer of digikam
[06:44] <Tonio_> allee: okay, well my point is just testing and eventually upload, if Gilles has patches, let me know :)
[06:44] <allee> toma: well, kipi-plugin, digikam and exiv2 all try to have something stable until christmas.
[06:44] <toma> allee: that's not possible
[06:45] <allee> Tonio_: usually I would agree, but the RAW handling is currently such a moving field, that means using 3 month old version implies 50 % less RAW support
[06:46] <toma> reading exif info is not core functionality of digikam
[06:47] <toma> libkexif was tested properly in that area
[06:47] <Tonio_> allee: I assume that was for toma right ?
[06:47] <allee> toma: libkexif is no longer necessary.  and exif doesnot support RAW files
[06:48] <allee> Tonio_: sorry right  t<tab> error
[06:48] <Tonio_> allee: hehe
[06:48] <Tonio_> allee: I hope you'll be there toonight in the meeting to talk about you know what :)
[06:48] <toma> now you depend on a not so tested lib which has no i18n
[06:48] <allee> Tonio_: yes, and I'll have to leave soon to be back at home in time
[06:49] <allee> toma: 0.12 added i18n
[06:49] <toma> allee: which langs are incluyded?
[06:50] <toma> french probably?
[06:50] <allee> toma: have not looked yet.  But fr is and de.  Didn't Gilles even ping on kde-i18n for translation (because all kipi apps benevit)
[06:50] <allee> toma: yes, gilles translated to fr while they added i18n support
[06:50] <toma> its not in kde svn
[06:51] <allee> toma: yeah, I remember an url to another repo
[06:52] <toma> ;-)
[06:52] <toma> i dont blame you, only gilles
[06:57] <Tonio_> allee: -rwxr-xr-x root/root    153636 2006-12-07 18:57 ./usr/bin/exiv2
[06:57] <Tonio_> allee: 0.12 build correctly here
[06:58] <Tonio_> allee: I'm uploading to ubuntu. Are you interested in the source package for debian ?
[07:44] <allee> Tonio_: the debian maintainer told us he has something ready.  But has not upload yet, so sources are well come to build rc2 on dapper/edgy ;)
[07:46] <Tonio_> allee: we will probably not provide any backport
[07:47] <allee> Tonio_: I'll do it in my repo
[07:47] <Tonio_> allee: ah okay
[07:47] <Tonio_> allee: btw, I have just finished the packages on my own, and since we are modifying digikam (we split showfoto) I'll probably upload them as this
[07:47] <Tonio_> allee: what I've done is sync the packaging with debian rc1 packages
[07:47] <Tonio_> allee: I'll resync with stable release too
[07:48] <allee> k np.  I'll start to pester you about alioth when I've found time where the buildserver.net expect the kubuntu branch for autobuilding ;)
[07:49] <Tonio_> allee: you mean ?
[07:49] <Tonio_> allee: concerning alioth here is the point :
[07:50] <Tonio_> I sync my packages with debian as much as I can, but lots (not to say all...) debian maintainers simply ignore the ubuntu packages
[07:50] <Tonio_> and since the kubuntu packaging team is really little compared to debian, I don't want to waste time doing everything twice...
[07:50] <Tonio_> so if I do important changes or packaging fixes, I ping the debian maintainer
[07:51] <Tonio_> but managing kubuntu packaging + alioth is a lot more work...
[07:51] <Tonio_> and since debian doesn't do any effort......
[07:51] <Tonio_> how many packages were in ubuntu before debian ? lots ot them
[07:51] <Tonio_> and the debian maintainers repackaged everything from scratch everytime..... that's stupid but well....
[07:52] <toma> Tonio_: thats a disapointing point of view
[07:52] <Tonio_> toma: I agree, and I understand, but well...
[07:53] <toma> i will not start to against it, it will take me ages
[07:53] <allee> Tonio_: well, goal (mine) is that 'you' just so a svn co/ci debian/  of a kubuntu branch below pkg-kdeextra.
[07:53] <allee> ... if the debian pkgs is in already in pkg-kdeextras
[07:53] <toma> so you do ubuntu and i will copy your work to debian. everyone happy.
[07:54] <Tonio_> allee: yeah I should do that a bit more
[07:54] <allee> Tonio_: I also don't do more.
[07:54] <Tonio_> toma: hum that's not exactly my opinion
[07:55] <Tonio_> hehe, looks like toma didn't appreciate... :)
[07:55] <allee> :)
[07:56] <allee> Tonio_: I've to leave otherwise I will be too late at home for the meeting.
[07:56] <allee> cu
[07:56] <Tonio_> cu ;)
[09:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: what time is the meeting ?
[09:11] <mhb> in 2 hours, AFAIK
[10:33] <ryanakca> Riddell: my school will take PGP signatures (at least thats what I was told today)
[10:42] <gnomefreak> Jucato: your on feisty right?
[10:42] <gnomefreak> oh wait you dont use gnome do you
[10:43] <Jucato> nope :)
[10:43] <Jucato> and my feisty is on vmware only
[10:44] <gnomefreak> dist-upgrade is being a <insert bad word here>
[10:45] <mhb> gnomefreak: you tested dist-upgrade to feisty?
[10:45] <gnomefreak> mhb: no been there done that
[10:46] <gnomefreak> mhb: dist-upgrade is broken in feisty ;)
[10:46] <Jucato> I'm finding my own little weirdness... the Live CD (and hence the installed system) seems to have a lot of stuff in Lost & Found...
[10:47] <gnomefreak> dist-upgrade isnt handling held back pakcages at all
[10:48] <gnomefreak> waiting for mvo to answer me
[10:48] <mhb> I hope I can assemble enought volunteers in -testers so that we can begin testing and reporting bugs about dist-upgrade to Feisty quite early
[10:48] <mhb> I guess after the ImportFreeze
[10:48] <Lure> Jucato: same here, and also Settings -> Peripherals -> OBEX
[10:49] <Riddell> Jucato: I know, not sure why
[10:49] <Jucato> oh good. I thought I messed something up... :)
[10:53] <gnomefreak> mhb: so far my 3 times there were no problems
[10:53] <gnomefreak> maybe 4
[10:53] <mhb> gnomefreak: that's good to hear
[10:55] <mhb> gnomefreak: but intensive testing will make it even more flawless :o)
[10:55] <gnomefreak> mhb: agreed ill be doing it again in the next week or so
[10:56] <mhb> I guess yes and no
[10:57] <mhb> you can test different install CDs there, for instance
[10:57] <mhb> but it's always better to test it on the real hardware later on
[10:58] <Jucato> yeah, I guess so...
[10:59] <Riddell> Kubuntu meeting time, in #ubuntu-meeting
[11:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm there
[11:10] <mhb> Tonio_: can you do a screenshot of ksynaptics btw?
[11:10] <mhb> Tonio_: in English possibly
[11:13] <Tonio_> mhb: I don't havea laptop here :)
[11:13] <mhb> Tonio_: aww
[11:13] <Tonio_> mhb: but we'll discuss this right now
[11:14] <mhb> Tonio_: exactly
[11:26] <lotusleaf> allee: I don't want to derail the Kubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting, but is it safe to say that kdar is DOA for feisty?
[11:27] <allee> lotusleaf: better say it after the meeting here.  I'll try to make a point at the end of the meeting about backports of broken stuff in edgy
[11:28] <lotusleaf> allee: hi =) thank you very much, and thanks for your attention to this particular bug =)