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Monkey Studio = development app... [02:46] I wouldn't package a beta unless upstream blesses it. === lotusleaf holds a candlelight service for kdar === RadiantFire_ [n=ryan@unaffiliated/radiantfire] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:58] lotusleaf: stop contributing to global warming and find yourself another archiver :D [02:58] ;-) [02:58] :D [02:58] jdong: kdar, I mourn for thee! === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:05] hey, got a guy from the Chicago LUG with KDE & Qt experience. I believe he is an IIT student in Chicago. He might be stopping by, he goes by manchicken [03:13] crimsun: kk, ty === cmvo [n=cmvo@unaffiliated/cmvo] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tonyyserver [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tonyyserver [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nuku_ [n=j@unaffiliated/nuku] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tonyyserver [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde-vlos [n=vlos@206.248.107.156] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_ [n=tobias@p54A7258E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde-vlos [n=vlos@206.248.107.156] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm57.omega18.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm57.omega18.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=vlos@206.248.107.156] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === lnxkde [n=vlos@206.248.107.156] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=vlos@206.248.107.156] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === seaLne [n=seaLne@ubuntu/member/sealne] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong_ [n=jdong@d192-24-18-234.col.wideopenwest.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hawkwind [n=SoS@ulteo/community-leader/Hawkwind] has joined #Kubuntu-Devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_ [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_ [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_ is now known as hunger === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === apokryphos [n=apokryph@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lloydinho_ [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === el [n=konversa@chello084113223098.5.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === joe3k [n=joe@p54940B94.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:00] I was considering testing compiz in kubuntu to look for/file bugs, but I don't see a compiz-kde package as one page on wiki.ubuntu.com refers to, does anyone here use/test compiz on kubuntu edgy? === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:01] the compiz-kde package was only ever a placeholder package, no real code in it [10:01] the compiz-gnome window manager should work fine, but obviously it needs all the gnome deps [10:01] Riddell: thx, ah and I see "The "compiz" packages in edgy's universe repo are actually beryl from back when it was called compiz-quinn." posted to the forums by Amaranth === rraphink is now known as raphink [10:02] Riddell: not a problem dep wise, thx for the details [10:02] so compiz in the repo is actually beryl? [10:02] whatever it is, I'll be sure and test it =) [10:05] I'm not much of a fan of using 3rd party repos anyway, compiz it is! :) [10:06] I doubt compiz packages are really beryl, that would be quite wrong. imbrandon would know better [10:08] Riddell: k, thx, I saw this as well today " note that compiz in edgy is compiz-quinn ie beryl" so it made me wonder, thank you for your quick + informative replies, I appreciate it :) I'll test compiz in repo [10:09] and I'll poke imbrandon re: next time I see him ;) [10:10] quite possibly the edgy package is old then === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:12] Riddell: thx, I'm inquiring in #ubuntu-motu === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.228.85] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh [10:29] <\sh> moins [10:30] abend [10:33] <\sh> *g* === Tonio_ [n=tonio@139.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:00] hi everyone [11:01] hi Tonio_ [11:02] Tonio_: hey [11:03] Riddell: I'm uploading sime's debdiff for kdebase if you didn't do it already :) [11:03] hi Riddell, freeflying|away [11:03] Tonio_: I've not, go ahead [11:03] Riddell: great ! === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:04] Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/digikam/+bug/73617 [11:04] Malone bug 73617 in digikam "SRU proposal" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [11:04] Riddell: nobody gave a look, should I ping mdz concerning this ? [11:05] he's not doing SRUs just now [11:06] Riddell: okay I'll wait a bit then [11:06] the process for sru is just.... heavy.... [11:06] we gone from nothing serious to something "too complicated" in my opinion [11:07] you can politely ping cjwatson, but he'll only get to it when he can [11:07] I don't think it's too complicated, but it's certainly too easily blocked [11:08] Riddell: yeah that's the point [11:09] Riddell: not complicated, but a lot of bureaucraty [11:09] Riddell: it that case it is just a matter of debian/*.install files [11:09] oh it's complicated too, but that's justified :) [11:09] not a new patch of backport that needs testing [11:09] s/of/backport [11:09] grrr s/of/or === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:11] <\sh> who is working on raphinks itchtux? [11:11] \sh: you have a launchpad group, lemme find it [11:12] I think you have the wrong spelling there though :) [11:13] Riddell: french -> english :) "there is a launchpad group" [11:13] Riddell: just woke up, that explains, time for my brain to come to english and that's okay [11:13] no, I mean itchtux is a great name for a distro but not the right one [11:13] ichthux [11:14] <\sh> what is the meaning of ichthux? ,-) [11:14] it's the greek word for fish I think [11:14] yep [11:14] \sh: you have the list of people there : https://launchpad.net/people/ichthux-dev [11:14] but not the exact word/spelling [11:14] as in fishing for men, as Jesus was said to do [11:14] <\sh> I need it for the church of my GF I want to promote Ubuntu to them...and having some christianity touch it's much better for me to promote linux [11:14] Jucato: well the exact spelling will be in the Greek alphabet [11:15] heh.. I meant the -ux part. iirc it's something like icthyus.... I forgot... [11:15] Jucato, Riddell: all is explained on the http://www.ichthux.com page [11:16] <\sh> cool...that's what I needed [11:16] <\sh> thx raphink and all the others ;) [11:16] hi [11:17] Riddell: I was looking in merging kwin-style-crystal, but that's a pure mess.... [11:17] <\sh> hey raphink :) how are you? :) [11:17] Riddell: the package structure has changed a lot, and now includes dapper and edgy stuff as styles, but the edgy is invalid.... [11:17] good :) [11:18] Tonio_: fdoving has done a sync request [11:18] Riddell: if I wanna patch everything, that'll be a pure mess, especially when the patch includes a lot of binary stuff... [11:18] what's invalid about it? [11:18] Riddell: the edgy theme in the tarball is the dapper one [11:18] ug [11:18] so we have to correct this, and create a full edgy branch in it [11:18] how are you \sh? [11:19] Tonio_: are there any other changes? any disadvantage to just keeping the package we have? [11:19] Riddell: we should sync this otherwise we'll loose all the graphics done by kwwii [11:19] <\sh> raphink: great a light cold..but ok...and I want to promote ichthux to this community: http://www.cgk-online.de/index.php?id=2100&L=1 [11:19] nice :) [11:19] Riddell: no issues keeping the package we have, except that people cannot choose the theme they want [11:20] Riddell: I'll try to get it finished and all the patched fixed upstream [11:20] Riddell: but here is my plan : [11:20] \sh: did you talk about it with zerlinna? [11:20] Riddell: I'll create a new tarball and try to get it released upstream, so that we can merge without 2 bigs binary patches [11:20] Tonio_: should I cancel the sync request then? [11:20] I think she introduced it to various christian communities in Germany and Switzerland [11:20] and I'll just have to maintain the edgy branch [11:21] Tonio_: what do you mean by maintain the edgy branch? [11:21] Riddell: yes, probably, I'll get the tarball fixed first, and wait for a release to do a simple new package [11:21] Riddell: I mean the feisty, sorry :) [11:21] Riddell: well I don't want a crappy patch for edgy theme on feisty in fact, so getting the tarball fixed upstream is really easier [11:22] ll [11:22] because patches with binariy datas are a pain to maintain........ [11:23] yes [11:23] Hi! Sorry, wrong window :-) [11:23] <\sh> raphink: nope...but I'll do :) [11:23] ok :) [11:23] she has transalted the icththux website into german, too [11:23] Riddell: I'll contact upstream today, with a new tarball and let you know [11:24] Riddell: but you should cancel the sync request first, I'll handle the stuff to get it clean in feisty [11:24] done [11:24] Riddell: thanks [11:24] raphink: hey ; [11:24] yop Tonio_ [11:24] raphink: need a motu to advocate jabbin once more for upload :) [11:25] hmm not right now [11:25] raphink: any chance you can help me ? [11:25] can you remind me of it later? [11:25] I'm a bit busy now :) [11:25] Riddell: sure [11:25] raphink: I asked on ubuntu-motu but "je me suis pris un putain de vent !" [11:25] ouh l [11:26] genre mistral des mauvais jours :) === joe3k [n=joe@p54940B94.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:26] j'ai surestim la taille d'un miroir Debian complet [11:26] d'un facteur 10 environ [11:26] lol [11:26] combien de gigas ? [11:26] lol [11:26] l je suis 55GB et c'est pas fini [11:27] lol [11:27] mais j'avais compt dans les 200 plutt [11:27] enfin bon [11:27] au moins j'ai de la place [11:27] j'ai rserv 550GB de paquets :) [11:27] ho, fyi all, I am proud to annouce I and my gf are getting married in June 2008 ;) [11:27] really :) [11:27] congrats :) [11:27] I just got engaged too :) [11:27] I know it is /mylife but I wanna say it :) [11:27] last friday :) [11:27] raphink: hehe, great ! [11:27] raphink: ooh! === raphink hugs Tonio_ :) [11:28] raphink: when are you getting married ? === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Riddell] : Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Congrats to Raphink and Tonio | Merge ! http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/+specs | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings [11:28] no idea yet really [11:28] probably around april or may [11:28] have a double wedding! [11:28] this year ? [11:28] yes [11:28] isn't that too late to find a place ? [11:28] hmmm I don' tknow [11:29] a place for what? [11:29] lol [11:29] if you want a great place, it is just about 1 year before the date......... [11:29] bah une salle pour faire la fte ! [11:29] bah [11:29] that's why it'll be in 2008 for us [11:29] on peut aller chez ma grand mre la campagne :) [11:29] dans ce cas ;) [11:29] l o mes parents se sont maris [11:29] :) [11:29] 2hectares de terrain [11:30] de la place pour accueillir pas mal de monde [11:30] :) [11:30] cool ;) [11:30] et 3 maisons moins de 500m [11:30] enfin bon on verra [11:30] je ne me fais pas de soucis pour ce genre de choses [11:30] :) [11:30] tu fais civil et religieux le meme jour ou tu separes les trucs ? [11:30] genre civil vite fait et religieux apres [11:30] ? [11:30] je ne sais pas encore [11:31] on aimerais bien faire le mme jour [11:31] pour moi ce sera juste civil, donc ce sera ca la grosse fte [11:31] mais vu qu'on est de deux pays diffrents sparer a pourrait aider [11:31] bah le bleme c que le meme jour c la course a organiser [11:31] oui [11:31] c pour a que je serai toi, je ferai le civil d'abord, bacl et vite fait, car ca tu t'en fous [11:31] ce qui compte pour nous c'est le mariage religieux [11:31] et tu fais un vrai marriage religieux apres [11:31] pour nous le marige civil n'est qu'une formalit administrative [11:31] bah voui logique [11:32] donc te fais pas chier a faire ca le meme jour [11:32] oui [11:32] enfin surtout [11:32] a permettrait de faire le mariage civil en hollande [11:32] et le mariage religieux en france [11:32] vi [11:32] enfin on verra [11:32] :) [11:32] hehe [11:33] bon je re [11:33] oki ++ === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@p508F2844.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:44] fdoving: I uploaded your adept fix [11:45] but there's a whole chain of dependencies there that needs various things done [11:45] libapt-pkg-dev (build failure on i386, mvo fixing) -> libboost-dev (needs merge/sync, requested) -> libwibble-dev (main inclusion report pending review) -> libtagcoll2-dev (not synced from debian for some reason, requested, needs promoted to main, renamed libtagcoll) -> libept-dev (in NEW, needs promoted to main, renamed lib libapt-front) -> debtags (new version, needs merged with Debian) -> adept (fix from fdoving) [11:49] Tonio_: watch that Lure uploaded 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-1ubuntu11, if you're doing kdebase [11:54] Riddell: I did the upload, including Lure's changelog [11:55] Riddell: Lure doesn't have upload rights afaik :) [11:56] oh, that makes sense then === marseillai_ [n=cyril@AMarseille-256-1-118-191.w90-4.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:16] Riddell: I'm going to test opensuse 10.2 today to compare the "bugs" their 3.5.5 has [12:17] Riddell: maube we can find a fix for kwallet or kdesktop partially in english [12:18] that kwallet issue drives me nuts........ george staikos doesn't care at all... [12:19] I'd like to test a usb key too to see if they have the unmount dialog [12:20] nixternal: I'm updating tellico fyi === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=apokryph@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:34] Riddell, Tonio_: thanks for kdebase upload (whoever did it ;-)) === jack_wyt_home [n=jack@221.223.17.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:36] Lure: you're welcome :) [12:36] Riddell: I have thought that ubiquity copies whole CD as is on disk - does this mean if we change file in k-d-s, that this will be copied too (or does it copy FS in pristine state)? [12:36] Riddell: talking about casper patch for disableSuspend on Live CD [12:38] Tonio_: btw, why does kmplayer-base depend on libgstreamer? I thought that we do not use gstreamer in Kubuntu [12:40] does it ? [12:40] Lure: well it is built with gstreamer support yes [12:40] Lure: that's better if people want to switch [12:40] Tonio_: can we switch to xine-only? [12:40] Lure: hum... [12:41] Lure: what would be the benefit ? [12:42] free space on the cd ? :) [12:42] Tonio_: less shit on the CD? [12:42] Lure: hehe okay :) [12:42] Lure: I'll have a look [12:42] but in that case I have to patch the whole sources of gstreamer menus and entries....... [12:42] hard to maintain [12:42] Tonio_: I was just suprised to see gstreamer - maybe Riddell has good reason to keep it... [12:43] Lure: well I don't think riddell ever touched that package in fact [12:43] Lure: the problem is that gstreamer entries and menus are stricktly hardcoded, so I'll have to perform an heavy patch to get it to xine-only [12:44] Lure: but I'll do it, that better for multimedia simplification spec in any case [12:44] Tonio_: don't bother then.... Rather get rid of kmplayer completely ;-) [12:44] Lure: I'd like too, but can you fix kaffeine then ? ;) === gnomefreak likes the xine only idea saves space and less crap to install to get things to work right :) [12:44] Tonio_: just for firefox ;-) [12:45] Lure: kaffeine crashes konqueror everytime it is launched [12:45] but is stable in firefox..... shame === gnomefreak worries about konqueror upstream people :( [12:46] gnomefreak: bah they don't want to fix it, cause the issue is due to konqueror according to them [12:46] well technically the issue is in xine structure [12:47] Tonio_: i noticed they dont seem they want to confirm it either let alone fix it [12:47] there is a good workarround that kmplayer upstream uses, but the kaffeine people don't want to go that way [12:48] gnomefreak: if I could get ridd of kmplayer, I would do it immediately [12:48] why cant we? [12:48] use mplayer instead [12:48] gnomefreak: this is a huuuuuuuuuuuudge change to kaffeine to perform [12:48] oh [12:48] gnomefreak: mplayer -> multiverse [12:48] and kaffeine isn't mplayer compatible [12:49] kaffeine with gstreamer is stable [12:49] oh damn [12:49] that could be a solution [12:49] but the issue is that amarok support for gstreamer is unmaintained :) [12:49] so just the xine is crashing konq? [12:49] that's shit mess isn't it ? ;) [12:49] gnomefreak: yes [12:49] amarok works great in xine :) [12:49] gnomefreak: yes too :) [12:50] there is no ideal solution in fact [12:50] i only use gstreamer to rip cds [12:50] the only solution in my mind would be to fix kaffeine to work the way kmplayer does [12:51] i guess there isnt a kmplayer-xine and kmplayer? [12:51] nope it is the same binary for all engines [12:52] even your solution is a huge change [12:53] yes [12:53] and its still upstream afaik === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@86-39-5-85.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:53] good luck ;) [12:53] well if amarok support for gstreamer would be good, we could switch to gstreamer completly [12:53] yuck [12:53] too many different packages with gstreamer [12:54] yes, that's another issue I agree...... [12:54] as it is you nee d1-3 packages for xine to work on most things [12:54] but metapackages are your friends :) [12:54] maybe 10 gstreamers [12:55] http://www.google.fr/search?q=kaffeine+xinitthreads&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 [12:55] ok good point if you can wrap them up in meta that would be great. only thing i am aware of with xine is the lack of w32 files but i say screw w32 :) [12:55] gnomefreak: if you want to investigate on the kaffeine issue, in case there is a fix, feel free ;) [12:55] Tonio_: ill look at it [12:56] gnomefreak: I did without success === jack_wyt_home [n=jack@221.223.17.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:59] Riddell: there is a potential fix for kaffeine in fact, but that requires to patch konqueror and remove xinitthreads [12:59] Riddell: I don't what the consequences can be........ [01:00] Riddell: I'd be interested to test this [01:00] let's go ! === jack_at_home [n=jack@221.223.17.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:05] kmplayer anything like mplayer on what it provides codecs wise? [01:05] like mplayer out of box player most anything including w32codecs [01:06] http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=9802&forummode=2&forumpage=11&forumexplevel=0&forumthread=108006 [01:06] gnomefreak: read this, everything is explained [01:07] gnomefreak: nope, kmplayer isn't a mplayer frontend, so it doesn't provide any codecs [01:07] k [01:07] gnomefreak: there trick used by kmplayer upstream is explained there [01:08] i sees it [01:08] see* [01:12] only thing that jumps out at me is the XinitThreads removal [01:13] gnomefreak: well technically, the fix would be to let konqueror call xinitthreads [01:13] I'll try a patch today eventually [01:13] since we are not real far into feisty i say lets try it or atleast do it put it in a side repo and some of us can test? [01:14] yup [01:14] I'll put that on my repo [01:14] k sounds good [01:15] there was something i was gonna do and now i cant remmeber :( [01:16] oh yeah konqueror [01:27] Tonio_: why no gstreamer support in kmplayer? [01:27] Riddell: reduce size on the cd.... [01:27] Riddell: cause this gives gstreamer deps on kmplayer-base that we ship [01:27] no way to split it out into a separate package? [01:27] Riddell: nope, unfortunately [01:28] it is already splitted in fact, but the gstreamer support is on the binary itself [01:28] tsk [01:28] ? in english please ;) [01:29] Riddell: I'll try to investigate a bit more later, I'm just trying to fix konqueror to initialize xinitthreads first :) === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:35] do you know if there's a good (KDE) tool for setting the touchpad mouse up? [01:35] mhb: ksynaptics ? [01:36] mhb: not very friendly to use, but works [01:36] thanks, I'm gonna try that out [01:36] Tonio_: while your in there can you fix KHTML ; [01:36] ) [01:36] gnomefreak: no ;) by far too complicated for me === gnomefreak thinks screw upstream ;) [01:37] oh ok [01:38] since Feisty should improve hardware support for laptops, can't we somehow get that tool (or a modification) in default install? [01:38] mhb: I already asked about.... [01:39] mhb: can be discussed as long as it doesn't autostart [01:39] I manage (or know people who do) a number of laptops and most of them have problems with their touchpad not working properly [01:39] Riddell: any opinion ? did you change your mind concerning ksynaptics since the uds ? ;) [01:39] Tonio_: can you autodetect a synaptics-like mouse? [01:39] mhb: hum, not sure [01:40] mhb: in that case there is a way to launch it only in that case, good point [01:40] Tonio_: actually it would be sufficient for me if it were accessible through systemsettings/Keyboard& Mouse [01:40] Tonio_: I have no touchpad, I don't care :) [01:40] Riddell: trackpoint ? ;) [01:40] but out-of-the-box is kinda the ubuntu way [01:40] mhb: I agree, completly [01:40] mhb: we can discuss that in the meeting toonight [01:41] mhb: want to add to it the wikipage ? [01:41] Tonio_: I'll add it [01:41] mhb: great ! you'll have my support on that point [01:41] I'll eventually fix the package to remove the autolaunch thing === Tonio_ hopes the xinitthreads patch for konq will work.... get rid of kmplayer would be veryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy cool === jack_at_home [n=jack@221.223.17.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mhb_ [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:15] Tonio_: agenda point added [02:42] Czessi: seen the thread on kubuntu-users? "Where to get key A714EB87D1B1F415?" [02:43] Riddell: yes, I have seen [02:49] mhb_: thanks === mhb_ is now known as mhb [02:56] Riddell: just patched kdebase with xinittread, will let you know about === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@86-39-5-85.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:57] Riddell: what about those kpdf complains ? do we really evilly patch it ? [02:57] yes, we do [02:57] but it's less evil than copies of xpdf (at least from our point of view) [02:58] Riddell: okay, may I work on that today eventually ? [02:58] of course [02:58] okay thanks [02:59] seele: dialogue titles. "Not Root User" or "You are not root"? where main text is "Please run this software with administrative rights." [02:59] Riddell: ho talking about that, I discussed with mornfall concerning adept and the debconf variable initialisation [02:59] Riddell: it looks like an issue with kdesu in fact, since the code is already there [03:00] sudo adept-manager works, while kdesu doesn't [03:00] I can well believe that [03:00] dunno what causes this issue... lack of xsession maybe ? [03:00] kdesu probably deliberately clears the environment variables just to be difficult [03:01] Riddell: well I can make a launch script that xhost+ && kdesu adept-manager [03:01] but that really nasty ;) [03:01] I do hope you're joking :) [03:01] lol :) [03:02] Riddell: I think the problem isn't that it clears the variables === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:02] I think the problem is that it fails since there is no X session launched as root, something like this [03:02] Riddell: this is why xhost+ resolves the issue... [03:03] it's because the xauthority stuff isn't passed through [03:03] maybe I'm not very clear.... damned limited english :) [03:03] okay, that's clear indeed ;) [03:04] wow, the kpdf patch is hudge indeed.... [03:04] Riddell: what's the problem with xpdf ? [03:06] it has a million security holes, when we had 3 different copies of it in the archive (all different versions) it took ages to do the security updates each time [03:06] koffice still has a copy in it [03:07] Lure: ping [03:07] Riddell: and isn't upstream interested in getting those patches in so that they can be correctly maintained ? [03:09] no, upstream wanted to use xpdf [03:09] that's changed for kde 4 [03:10] okay great [03:10] I'll try to fix the print preview issue [03:10] good luck, I don't know where you'd start on that [03:11] Riddell: bah.... I never know how to start on something :) sometimes I find, sometimes not [03:11] I've been able to fix the konqueror menus issuing... sometimes chance helps :) [03:16] Riddell: wengophone 2 in the archives and works, fyi [03:20] ooh === Tonio_ reloading kde to test the xinit fix === Tonio_ [n=tonio@139.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:24] Tonio_: seen Lure's comment on Agenda? [03:26] Tonio_: cool with the tellico :) [03:27] mhb: pong (but not much time) [03:28] Lure: actually I talked with Tonio_ before I posted my Agenda point [03:29] mhb: ok, fine lets discuss in the evening - spec otherwise describes what was conclusion on UDS in Mt View [03:29] Riddell: why not "Log in as administrator"? That is the purpose of the dialog, or am I thinking of the wrong thing? [03:29] Lure: I'll read it and maybe rephrase the question [03:30] crash......... not good ! [03:31] seele: it's to tell you to run the application as root, not to log in as root (I'm still on language selector here) [03:32] seele: my question was more if dialogue titles should be sentences (in sentence case with full stops) or titles (in title case) [03:36] ah, title case IIRC [03:37] there could be special cases, if you find one let me know so i can add a guideline ;P [03:40] nothing special, just the gnome UI does it wrongly which confused me === Tonio_ [n=tonio@139.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@ip72-209-68-178.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:56] Heya [03:57] Tonio_: so what needs to be discussed today? [03:57] Tonio_: about ksynaptics [03:58] Tonio_: if I understand correctly you made some discussions at uds - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFeistyLaptop [03:58] yup [03:59] mhb: we needs to debate once and for all if we ant it [04:00] Tonio_: can you rephrase my agenda point so that it's clear what is to be discussed? thanks [04:00] Riddell: ah ! the kaffeine guys are working on a solution to the konqueror crash ;) [04:01] yes, the problem comes from xlib pseudo-multithreading. [04:01] We are working on a xcb solution. [04:01] message from upstream :) [04:06] nice [04:16] Riddell: I hope it'll be released before feisty is out === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ingmar [n=ingmar@86-39-5-85.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.229.59] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:54] Riddell: about that hal issue, is there a bugreport? any idea what needs to be done? === el [n=konversa@chello084113223098.5.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm57.omega18.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:56] Riddell: I'll look at it if you point me to some info. I can also start poking people about the adept stuff if you want me to. [04:57] fdoving: it's a couple of scripts that needs to be installed, I think it's just adding them into a .install file [04:57] fdoving: the kde 3.5.5 archive already has the modified hal, but it's overridden by the update to dapper-updates [04:57] fdoving: was it you who was talking about it the other day? [04:58] no, allee had the problem in dapper. [04:58] I wasn't part of that discussion.. [04:58] ah [04:58] my mistake [04:59] .. i can still fix it if the fix is known. [04:59] work out what I changed in the hal in the kde-355 archive for dapper [04:59] and do the same to the version now in dapper-updates [04:59] roger. [05:00] I'll look at it later today.. dinner first. [05:01] About the adept work. if you can somehow make a list of what you've done (bug numbers for requests etc.) i can take over that job if you want me to. === \sh is now known as \sh_away [05:01] fdoving: what adept work? [05:01] oh, the packages [05:02] Riddell: the list you mentioned.. === ingmar_ [n=ingmar@86-39-7-147.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:03]