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[12:15] <fribuntu> intelikey: Ok, I can confirm that. I have disabled "show encryption status" and the ?? disappeared.
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[12:16] <allee> Jucato: PATH is inherited and KDEDIRS (is not used by default).  To define env variables you can use ~/.kde/env/   (or alternatively to KDEDIRS edit /etc/kderc or use kiosktooll to set user specific settings
[12:16] <fribuntu> intelikey: So the icon for the "unencrypted" mark is probably missing?
[12:16] <intelikey> fribuntu you could check ~/.x*log  and see if there is a missing icon.
[12:16] <intelikey> or an error message about one that is.
[12:16] <xquestionx> hello, im having problems with the know bug in theinstalation process (it fails on the partition step). How can i manually install kubuntu?
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[12:16] <astroman> do you know how to use diff command but just show the result without all marks like <> **** ????
[12:17] <xquestionx> can i mv the contents (of which dir) to the partition i choose?
[12:18] <xquestionx> i know how to create the partition, make the filesystem, configure grub to boot from the kubuntu partition, etc... but, what are the contents of the cd thati must copy to that partition?
[12:18] <Chousuke> astroman: try reading the info page.
[12:18] <Chousuke> "info diff"
[12:19] <astroman> i check and try all the options but nothing change
[12:19] <intelikey> astroman -q
[12:19] <intelikey> tty2 [greg@~]  diff -q q s
[12:19] <intelikey> Files q and s differ
[12:19] <intelikey> tty2 [greg@~] 
[12:19] <astroman> ok thxs
[12:20] <xquestionx> none?
[12:21] <intelikey> astroman one could squelch the output and use the exit code     diff one two >& /dev/null && command because they are the same || command because they differ
[12:21] <intelikey> the only output would be that of command *    in the foregoing example
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[12:21] <astroman> i'll try that i'll be back
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[12:25] <xquestionx> good bye, thanks anyway
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[12:25] <astroman> intelikey the option -q just told me that the files differ. Me i need to check witch line differ and remove it from the file
[12:25] <fribuntu> intelikey: less ~/.x*log results in "no such file or directory"
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[12:27] <reinhold_> Hi all! is there any way to get a package of the 2.6.18 or 2.6.19 Kernel for Edgy?
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[12:28] <h3sp4wn> reinhold_: Not really - you could build one yourself if you wanted
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[12:35] <jeisma> anyone know how to change the type of icon you have for things on yoru desktop?
[12:35] <Jucato> allee: sorry for the late reply, I was afk. Here's my situation: I compiled konversation from svn and put it in /opt/kdevel/install/bin. I added "/opt/kdevel/install/bin" to PATH and "/opt/kdevel" to KDEDIRS in /etc/environment. if I launch Konvi from Konsole, the correct (SVN) version is launched. but if I launch it from the mini-CLI or from the K Menu, the original version (1.0.1) is launched.
[12:36] <reinhold_> h3sp4wn: That never really worked. Plus, the 2.6.18 kernel I tried to build then also required some user-space driver for the wireless chipset. So I finally gave up trying to compile myself
[12:36] <intelikey> astroman sed would be much more suited for that   or perl even.
[12:37] <gnomefreak> perl gives me a headache :(
[12:37] <intelikey> fribuntu hmmm well /var/logs/xorg* then
[12:38] <intelikey> gnomefreak yeah i'd rather use sed  but that is one of the very things perl was made for.
[12:38] <h3sp4wn> perl is wonderful, or awk (I don't really get on with sed (the regexp syntax is slightly different to perls and I can never remember exactly how)
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[12:39] <intelikey> hehhe actually there is no auk on ubuntu  it's mawk or nawk or some such  iirc
[12:39] <intelikey> awk
[12:40] <intelikey> ls -l `which awk`
[12:40] <intelikey> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Nov 27 01:47 /usr/bin/awk -> mawk
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[12:41] <jeisma> how do i get my java runtime to work?
[12:41] <intelikey> !jre
[12:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jre - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:41] <intelikey> !java
[12:41] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[12:42] <fribuntu> intelikey: Xorg.0.log does not show any errors and there are no other logfiles I can find.
[12:42] <jeisma> jeisma@Kubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install sun-java5-bin
[12:42] <jeisma> Password:
[12:42] <jeisma> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[12:42] <jeisma> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[12:42] <jeisma> jeisma@Kubuntu:~$
[12:43] <jeisma> how do i fix this?
[12:43] <intelikey> fribuntu hmmm.  ok  then i don't guess i can answer exactly why you get the  ??  but we did find a way to bypass it.
[12:43] <h3sp4wn> jeisma: /msg ubotu adept crash fix
[12:43] <fribuntu> intelikey: yeah, thanks for that :)
[12:43] <Jucato> !adept crash fix | jeisma
[12:43] <ubotu> jeisma: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[12:44] <Jucato> jeisma: and next time, please use pastebin. thanks
[12:44] <intelikey> fribuntu and i would have just checked my logs but i don't have any logging turned on, and expected that you did so .....   :)
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[12:50] <jeisma> soo that all didn't help
[12:51] <jeisma> still don't have the firefox java runtime environment?
[12:51] <jeisma> or it's nto working when i play my game at least
[12:51] <jeisma> any help at all?
[12:51] <jeisma> oh what i need to download without having to read pages of instructions?
[12:51] <DanglyBits> can anyone help with an usb headset audio problem?
[12:52] <gnomefreak> jeisma: sudo apt-get install sun-java5-plugin
[12:52] <gnomefreak> jeisma: once its installed run sudo update-alternatives --config java
[12:52] <gnomefreak> jeisma: make sure multiverse repos are enabled so you can apt-get java
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[12:53] <jeisma> andthat's it?
[12:53] <Omnifrog> RIP James Kim
[12:53] <Omnifrog> :(
[12:53] <gnomefreak> jeisma: yep
[12:53] <jeisma> gnomefreak i did sudo update-alternatives --config java
[12:53] <mj246969> WTF?
[12:53] <jeisma> gnomefreak now it's asking for the option of 3 alternatives
[12:53] <gnomefreak> thats all you need to do did you choose the java 1.5 one?
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[12:54] <gnomefreak> jeisma: than type 3 than enter restart firefox
[12:54] <jeisma> gnomefreak:  /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java is the 3rd one
[12:54] <allee> gnomefreak: and how to script it?
[12:54] <gnomefreak> jeisma: choose that one
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[12:54] <gnomefreak> allee: script what?
[12:55] <allee> gnomefreak: for an automatic installation. There I can't select the 3rd entry
[12:55] <jeisma> gnomefreak: thank you som uch
[12:55] <gnomefreak> should beable to just choose it
[12:55] <Jucato> bah this is driving me nucking futs!
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[12:56] <gnomefreak> allee: shouldnt have to script anything. you can also do it in the file system i believe there sa file for update-alternatives i just cant remember where
[12:56] <allee> Jucato: what?
[12:56] <Jucato> allee: the problem I was stating earlier... :(
[12:57] <DanglyBits> can anyone help with an usb headset audio problem?
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[12:57] <Jucato> I compiled konversation from svn (1.0.1+) and put it in /opt/kdevel/install/bin. I added "/opt/kdevel/install/bin" to PATH and "/opt/kdevel" to KDEDIRS in /etc/environment. if I launch Konvi from Konsole, the correct (SVN) version is launched. but if I launch it from the mini-CLI or from the K Menu, the original version (1.0.1) is launched.
[12:57] <allee> gnomefreak: the java alternatives have lot's of slave dependencies (and therefore soft links) :(  So it's a bit error prone to get them all
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[12:58] <gnomefreak> allee: correct than your best bet would be sudo update-alternatives --config --all :)
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[12:58] <gnomefreak> i use that 99% of time cause i cant remember all of them
[12:58] <Jucato> :)
[12:58] <allee> gnomefreak: ther must be an easier way
[12:58] <allee> + ;)
[12:59] <gnomefreak> allee: not that i have found
[12:59] <gnomefreak> i guess you could ln -s all of them but thats not easier by any means
[12:59] <allee> gnomefreak: me too.  that's one of the handish task I have to do after an fully automatic installation :(
[01:00] <h3sp4wn> allee: --auto
[01:01] <Bubba_Gump> how do i open konq in file browsing mode?
[01:01] <allee> Jucato: here a script I use to test digikam svn builds: http://paste.debian.net/17951   Same should work when you adapt them you konversation installation
[01:01] <gnomefreak> Bubba_Gump: open it and on the first page you will see home and other things pick one
[01:01] <Bubba_Gump> yes
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[01:01] <Bubba_Gump> i mean from a shortcut
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[01:01] <Jucato> allee: thanks :)
[01:02] <gnomefreak> Bubba_Gump: make a bookmark? or use terminal :)
[01:02] <allee> Jucato: note don't cut it into /etc/environment.  AFAIK no scripts there allowed
[01:02] <Bubba_Gump> to open a web browser it isL kfmclient openProfile webbrowsing
[01:02] <Jucato> Bubba_Gump: launch Home from the System Menu applet in Kicker?
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[01:02] <Jucato> Bubba_Gump: or kfmclient openProfile filemanagement
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[01:03] <Jucato> allee: where should KDEDIRS be defined in the first place? /etc/environment or /etc/profile?
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[01:03] <Dr_House> how can I get a dock working
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[01:04] <ubuntu> hi
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[01:06] <Bubba_Gump> Jucato: thanks :)
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[01:07] <allee> Jucato: depends ;)  You want to enable it for the you hole system?  mhhm, because path is changed I would use /etc/profile
[01:07] <Jucato> yep. for the whole system. ok I'll try in /etc/profile
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[01:08] <allee> Jucato: just a tip.  Learn how to rebuild pkgs. and backport debian or feisty konversation version.  Using pkgs is much easier in the long run
[01:08] <h3sp4wn> allee: sudo update-alternatives --set ksh /bin/zsh4 (that is how to do it and the syntax)
[01:09] <Jucato> allee: I'm heading that way too (Ubuntu Packaging Guide). ;) but this is just nagging me. I can't seem to figure out why KDE still runs the version of konvi in /usr/bin, while bash runs the one in /opt/kdevel/installed/bin
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[01:11] <Dr_House> My computer doesn't seem to accept the root password I type in.  Is there anyway of checking my root password?
[01:11] <JohnFlux> Jucato: look for the .desktop file
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[01:12] <JohnFlux> Jucato: konversation.desktop in your case
[01:12] <Jucato> JohnFlux: checked it. didn't point to /usr/bin. just plain Exec=konversation
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[01:12] <Bubba_Gump> how do i remove the desktop icon from the taskbar?
[01:12] <JohnFlux> Dr_House: you could change it:    sudo passwd root
[01:12] <Jucato> Dr_House: you set up a root password?
[01:13] <JohnFlux> Jucato: hmm oh yeah
[01:13] <Dr_House> JohnFlux: Thank you
[01:13] <Jucato> uh oh...
[01:13] <allee> h3sp4wn: --auto will work on edgy. there sun java has highest prio.  But that not the case in dapper.  Nevertheless ...
[01:13] <Jucato> root user isn't enabled by default in Kubuntu. that will enable it...
[01:13] <h3sp4wn> allee: --set is the proper way to do it though
[01:13] <allee> h3sp4wn, gnomefreak: date-alternatives --set java /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java
[01:14] <Jucato> brb
[01:14] <gnomefreak> allee: ty i never seen that before
[01:14] <allee> h3sp4wn: heh, found it already, don't know why I missed it the first time
[01:14] <allee> gnomefreak: me too ;)
[01:14] <h3sp4wn> I found it like within 20 seconds of looking at the man page
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[01:15] <allee> s/assumed/assumes/
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> If you are doing an automated installation though with preseeding you may as well only including that alternatives you need
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> s/that/the
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[01:18] <allee> h3sp4wn: yeah, didn't care to look what pulls in gcj  (fwiw.  I switched from preseeding to fai and I'm such more happier now)
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[01:20] <aceofhertz> Does anyone know a sure-fire way of making a D-link DWL-G122 Rev B1 work with Kubuntu?
[01:21] <h3sp4wn> aceofhertz: ndiswrapper will almost certainly work
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[01:22] <aceofhertz> I've tried that using the inf file, but the leds still won't light up
[01:23] <h3sp4wn> try latest version of ndiswrapper first (read the instructions and the /topic in #ndiswrapper) once you have done that they are reasonably helpful
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[01:29] <sponix> did anyone give me a torrent client recommendation ?
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[01:30] <sponix> I seem to have kwin (window manager) folding under pressure... when doing a major cp or i/o operation kwin bites the dirt, and they my usb keyboard doesn't want to type in X either ... But I do fine in normal (text) console
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[01:34] <guillermo_> hola
[01:34] <guillermo_> alguien que hable espaol ....
[01:34] <Jucato> !es
[01:34] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[01:35] <guillermo_> no hay problema con instalar icewm en mi kubuntu???
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[01:44] <mj246969> .........hello?????????????
[01:45] <mj246969> ......anyone from north of Boston???
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[01:47] <claydoh> mj246969: ayuh
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[01:48] <mj246969> &............anyone out there ???????????????
[01:48] <claydoh> yes, mj246969
[01:48] <mj246969> ...geez...was wondering
[01:48] <claydoh> I ma here and north of Boston, didn't you detect my maine accent ?
[01:48] <claydoh> :)
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[01:49] <Jucato> heh
[01:49] <mj246969> just loaded linux on my new 'putter
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[01:49] <mj246969> lol
[01:49] <claydoh> tho once in a while the room is quiet, you can ask away and it might take a while for folks to catch up
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[01:49] <mj246969> ....where aboute???...neer Lynn here
[01:49] <claydoh> Brewer, MAine
[01:50] <claydoh> next to Bangor
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[01:50] <claydoh> waaay north of beantown
[01:50] <mj246969> ......burrrrrrrrrrr....on the coast...near Nahaunt
[01:50] <fnordfn> waht does Tx mean?
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[01:51] <cloakable> fnordfn: Transmit
[01:51] <fnordfn> claydoh,  how north?
[01:51] <fnordfn> thanks
[01:51] <mj246969> built this computer and just loaded Kubuntu on it along with winXP
[01:51] <claydoh> it actually is warming up here, 37 F was about 23 yesterday
[01:51] <claydoh> Maine, almost Canada on the east coast
[01:51] <mj246969> wheeeeew.....was about 32 here but windy
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[01:51] <fnordfn> me too portland
[01:51] <Murrlin> good evening
[01:51] <Jucato> !offtopic
[01:51] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[01:52] <claydoh> fnordfn: Brewer
[01:52] <mj246969> k ubotu
[01:52] <claydoh> Jucato: :P
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[01:52] <Jucato> claydoh: :P :) ;)
[01:52] <fnordfn> claydoh, you in off topic?
[01:52] <mj246969> <<<<<<<<<<<Florida born ... tad bit chilly here to me
[01:52] <claydoh> ypu
[01:53] <claydoh> err yup
[01:53] <Murrlin> for some reason, I'm having a spot of difficulty getting (or determining) opengl and nvidia's libraries/drivers to stand and be counted.
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[01:53] <Murrlin> kubuntu 6.06
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[01:54] <mj246969> ...ummmmmmmm...am I just supposed to talk about something special?
[01:54] <Telroth_Plushie|> is anyone available to chat about hardware? I'm about to replace my mobo/proc/graphics card, and need to know what i need to change in config files to keep from reinstalling kubuntu
[01:55] <mj246969> off to offtopic...  :)
[01:55] <cloakable> Telroth_Plushie|: Nothing.
[01:55] <Telroth_Plushie|> cloakable, really? cool.
[01:55] <cloakable> This isn't WinXP/Vista :)
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[01:56] <cloakable> You can upgrade as many times as you want.
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[01:56] <Jucato> actually, you would probably need to configure X if you change your video card
[01:56] <Telroth_Plushie|> will it auto-update the kernel module list that i need? (no longer need agp, need pci-e) and enable smp in the kernel and stuff (p4 -> core 2 duo)
[01:56] <sponix> anyone seen kwin crash && keyboard stop responding under heavy i/o loads
[01:57] <Telroth_Plushie|> gfx should be more or less ok, nv5200fx -> nv7900/7950
[01:57] <Telroth_Plushie|> i can do graphics changes my self
[01:57] <Telroth_Plushie|> it's the kernel stuff i'm not sure about (using smp, loading different kernel modules, etc)
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[01:58] <h3sp4wn> Telroth_Plushie|: You shouldn't need to change anything
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[01:59] <Telroth_Plushie|> thanks everyone.
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[01:59] <Telroth_Plushie|> if it doesn't work i'll be here complaining anyways :P
[01:59] <Telroth_Plushie|> [now to collect the money to buy all my crap] 
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[02:00] <mooreand13213> !nvidia
[02:00] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
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[02:05] <harri3844> greetingd
[02:05] <harri3844> s
[02:06] <jake> hello
[02:06] <harri3844> is there an update tool for kubuntu like update-manager?
[02:06] <jake> I believe adept handles the updates
[02:06] <harri3844> oh ok
[02:06] <Jucato> Adept Updater (adept_updater) or Adept Manager (adept_manager in Edgy)
[02:06] <homer_> hi, i installed 7zip,but how can i start it?
[02:06] <rance> I'm starting to get really frustrated with kubuntu, though I'm committed to staying the course, I have a ubuntu LTS 6.06 server in production now, and it is humming like a breeze, kubuntu edgy LOOKS smooth
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[02:07] <jake> there will be an icon in you systray if there are updates
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[02:07] <rance> I just can't figure out sound in kubuntu, why is that so hard when old versions of Knoppix boot cd recognize my hardware and play sound, why cant kubuntu
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[02:08] <jake> I have broken my WindowsXP install messing around with the file permissions in Kubuntu, can anyone help me fix it
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[02:09] <jake> rance what kind of sound card do you have
[02:09] <Jucato> !sound
[02:09] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
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[02:12] <rance> I have been to and read all the debugging sound stuff I can find, including the urls from ubotu
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[02:12] <rance> jake, I have an old via82xx based sound card
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[02:12] <rance> I have a write up posted at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuEdgyKnownProblems
[02:13] <rance> oops
[02:13] <rance> sorry
[02:13] <rance> wrong paste
[02:13] <rance> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=11712.0
[02:13] <rance> there thats better
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[02:14] <klerfayt> I gor problems with "module" under kcontrol in user management
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[02:15] <klerfayt> module doesn't load. maybe it got removed, if so then what is package name?
[02:15] <Jucato> klerfayt: sudo apt-get install --reinstall kde-guidance
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[02:16] <klerfayt> Jucato: oh, I got it removed with power manager then I decided to go back to klaptop
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[02:16] <wildcat_19> i remember reading of a program that will automatically set up all the restricted stuff like mp3s, dvds and whatnot. anyone know what it is called and where to get it?
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[02:17] <Jucato> !easyubuntu
[02:17] <klerfayt> !automatix
[02:17] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[02:17] <ubotu> easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ - For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[02:17] <binaryflow> hello
[02:17] <wildcat_19> is easyubuntu better than automatix?
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[02:18] <diego> #italia
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[02:18] <klerfayt> wildcat_19: no idea
[02:18] <wildcat_19> alright, thanx
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[02:22] <eddie> is it possible to import /apt/archive from cdrom?
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[02:22] <eddie> downloaded already via slow connection
[02:22] <phobiac> I've got a newly created ext3 partition that isn't in fstab, how do I put it in there?
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[02:23] <EricJ2190> i am having problems logging in to kubuntu
[02:24] <EricJ2190> when i try to log in with the graphical login, it says "A critical error occured."
[02:25] <EricJ2190> when i try to log in from tty1 it asks for my username, but instead of asking for my password it says "Login incorrect."
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[02:27] <fnordfn> where does a ubuntu live cd mount ipods?
[02:28] <klerfayt> where should I mount /dev/sr0? /media/?
[02:28] <malik__> hi guyz can some tell me if konqueror remembers the last tabs which were open b4 we close it?.n if yes how does that settings work?
[02:28] <Txabi> \/mnt is dead, long live to /media :P
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[02:29] <Jucato> malik__: no it doesn't
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[02:30] <malik__> is there any extension which will do it?.but im guessing there aint coz otherwise some1 wud have said it
[02:30] <malik__> ?
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[02:31] <JonTec> !emacs
[02:31] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), vi/vim (terminal-based), terminal based: vi/vim, emacs, nano (user-friendly). HTML/CSS editors: !html; Programming: !code
[02:32] <malik__> what abt mouse gestures in konq in kubuntu ?.is it possible to have some mouse gestures like there are in opera?
[02:32] <fnordfn> HELP i cant find my ipod on a live cd,wheere would it show up?it has files i dearly need
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[02:33] <malik__> use lsusb command
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[02:33] <malik__> it shud tell u where ur ipod is
[02:33] <JonTec> why can't I login?
[02:34] <JonTec> Hey guys, I need help. I login, but I can't enter my password... at all. T_T what's wrong?
[02:34] <EricJ2190> but i can ssh into it
[02:35] <EricJ2190> oops, i just typed it into the irc window by accident
[02:35] <EricJ2190> lol did it again
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[02:35] <JonTec> I mean that I can put in my username, but it doesn't ask me for the password.
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[02:37] <malik__> u must have saved ur password
[02:38] <fnordfn> malik__,  i couldent find it? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35685/
[02:38] <BluesKaj> Evening all :)
[02:39] <JonTec> how? I can't save the password? I get an incorrect login
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[02:41] <giblets> I'm getting incredibly slow internet speed here.... no proxy config could be detected, not sure if there is a proxy though.
[02:41] <giblets> hmm
[02:41] <giblets> any ideas what might be causing this? when I ping google, there's no lost packets... it just took 45 seconds for 6 packets
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[02:42] <fnordfn> i keep getting a error saying Tx packets lost or soemthing form my wifi card in kubuntu itll pick up the signal form all the routers around her but wont let me log on even with a full signal
[02:43] <malik__> u mean u cant login?................... only can type ur login name?
[02:43] <vlt> Hello. I'm still on Dapper which means Konqueror 3.5.2. I just found that background-colors of options in an HTML document are not rendered. Why's that?  (Example: <select><option style="background-color:red;">foo</option>...)
[02:43] <JonTec> malik__:yes
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[02:43] <malik__> okie u can reset ur password
[02:43] <malik__> goto http://easylinux.info
[02:44] <malik__> n select ur distro n there u have how to reset ur password
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[02:45] <fnordfn> anyone have a similer problem with wifi in kubuntu?it works fine in ubuntu
[02:45] <JonTec> malik__: do you mean use the rescue kernel... and use passwd on my username?
[02:46] <malik__> no
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[02:47] <malik__> if ur installtion is okie n was working b4 n somehow u cant login back into ur comp then just reset the password thingy n it will let u back in
[02:47] <malik__> just gimme a sec i ll pick out exact thread n may b it ll work for u
[02:47] <wildcat_19> how can i access an ntfs partition in linux?
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[02:50] <malik__> wioldcat which distro r u usin?
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[02:54] <malik__>  # passwd system_main_username                        this shud do the trick for u if u type it on the command prompt or terminal which ever u wanna call it
[02:54] <malik__> thats was for jontec
[02:54] <malik__> i donno how to send personalised question or ans like u r sending me
[02:55] <malik__> thats why im posting in the main
[02:56] <wildcat_19> sorry, kubuntu
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[02:57] <JonTec> malik__: it's just typing the user's name at the front of the message
[02:57] <Murchadh> wildcat_19, mount -t ntfs /dev/name /mnt/point
[02:57] <JonTec> malik__:everyone can still see it...
[02:57] <Murchadh> wildcat_19, It's read only, though.
[02:57] <wildcat_19> thats fine, i just want to be able to play my music
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[02:58] <fnordfn> or just type the first few letters then hit tab
[02:58] <malik__> oooghh okie.im just a newbie :)............................... well are u on the welcome screen or at command propmt .for jontec?
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[02:59] <JonTec> malik__: I was askin' the question for a friend... lol. he couldn't get an answer out of anyone in here... so I told him to have faith in the IRC channel and asked it for him. :D
[02:59] <malik__> coz if u r on welcome screen u need to restart the distro n dont boot into the normal kernal but recovery or just command line thingy n there u type that command n hopefully it will solve ur prob
[03:00] <malik__> its easy thingy n works for xp too like a charm
[03:00] <malik__> wild cat u need to go into ur root folder n then into media folder to see ur ntfs partitions
[03:01] <fnordfn> anyone ever have problems with kubntu not letting them logon to a wireless network even if they have a full signal?
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[03:03] <kchev> hi
[03:03] <kchev> i have a problem
[03:03] <manchicken> w00t y'all.  Anybody got anything needs working on?
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[03:04] <Admiral_Chicago> !java
[03:04] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
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[03:04] <malik__> yes i need to know if i can make mouse gestures like opera in konqueror?
[03:05] <malik__> to manchicken
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[03:05] <manchicken> malik__: Yes/.
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[03:05] <knoppix_> hi, i booted from knoppix to make a backup of kubuntu. how do i unmount hda1 ?
[03:06] <manchicken> malik__: in kcontrol, go to Region & Accessability and then select Input Actions
[03:06] <malik__> how do i make em work?.n where wud they b located in kubuntu?
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[03:07] <manchicken> is /dev/hda1 mounted to /?
[03:07] <knoppix_> manchicken:  hmm. i dont know
[03:08] <knoppix_> adress in preference is  /home/knoppix/desktop ?
[03:08] <malik__> there is no kcontrol in kubuntu .tyo manchicken
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[03:09] <wildcat_19> im still trying to mount my windows partition, what is the command
[03:09] <knoppix_> mountpoint : media/hda1
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[03:09] <wildcat_19> i put in sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/ and it did not work
[03:09] <manchicken> malik__: Try settings
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[03:12] <fnordfn> my wifi card works on a live ubuntu cd,could i copy the setings and transfere them to my kubuntu machine?
[03:12] <malik__> wild cat if u r using kubuntu then ur ntfs n fat partitions r already mounted in /media
[03:14] <wildcat_19> alright, then amarok should play my music then, correct?
[03:14] <wildcat_19> i just checked and they are not mounted
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[03:16] <malik__> thats strange but just a tic i ll write the command
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[03:17] <malik__> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/ntfs
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[03:18] <Lam_> do ogg files have id3 tags, or is it a different tagging system?
[03:18] <malik__> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows -r -o uid=1000
[03:18] <malik__> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows
[03:18] <wildcat_19> mount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist
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[03:18] <malik__> which ever will work
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[03:19] <malik__> okie the partition u r tryin to moiunt whats the windows drive name of that ?
[03:19] <wildcat_19> c:
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[03:20] <manchicken> What partition is it?
[03:20] <malik__> thats weird mate then sorry i cant figure out
[03:20] <malik__> im a newbie myself
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[03:20] <wildcat_19> first partition of first drive
[03:21] <wildcat_19> its cool
[03:21] <manchicken> SCSI or IDE?
[03:21] <EightiesK> ! xserver
[03:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xserver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:21] <wildcat_19> ide
[03:21] <EightiesK> ! live
[03:21] <ubotu> Ubuntu Dapper 'Desktop' CD contains a Live CD (Ubuntu that runs straight off the CD and RAM) with an install option. Breezy's Live CD contained no install.
[03:22] <EightiesK> any one know how i can change my display type to vesa in x server
[03:22] <malik__> manchiken ....in the system settings in kubuntu there are two separate icons one regional n one accessability which one shud i goto?
[03:22] <EightiesK> i forgot....
[03:22] <manchicken> Try accessability.
[03:22] <EightiesK> i can't start x server
[03:22] <EightiesK> it errors
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[03:23] <malik__> okie.im at input actions
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[03:23] <EightiesK> i know i just need to change it to vesa though
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[03:23] <wildcat_19> malik__: its accesibility, i just did it
[03:23] <EightiesK> !vesa
[03:23] <ubotu> vesa is the default video driver if X can't find a better one. Also see !x
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[03:24] <EightiesK> !x
[03:24] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
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[03:24] <[Relic] > Hello :)
[03:24] <[Relic] > Anyone awake?
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[03:25] <wildcat_19> manchicken: its an ide drive
[03:25] <majnoon> nope
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[03:26] <[Relic] > is there any thing that will cause problems if I switch for an amd board to an intel board?  aka will I need to reinstall or will it just detect the hardware changes?
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[03:33] <malik__> i know it is probably rude to say but isnt it fedora 6  or 5 better than kubuntu in terms of usage of memory?
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[03:33] <malik__> last installtion of fedora at tops was using between 2 n 3 hundred mb of ram
[03:33] <malik__> but this kubuntu is usin abt 700mb
[03:33] <Admiral_Chicago> how can i do remote desktoping?
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[03:35] <ryanakca> how do you install the ubuntu/feisty build of kernel 2.6.19 onto edgy?
[03:35] <malik__> i have 1 gig ddr ram n its usin atm abt 970mb of it?.any remedy for that?.................
[03:36] <etrusco> Hello. Anybody using Feisty with a non-english locale?
[03:36] <Admiral_Chicago> etrusco: ubuntu+1
[03:36] <Admiral_Chicago> err #ubuntu+1
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[03:36] <rp-las-canitas-c> hi
[03:36] <malik__> how do i make my installtion use less ram?........................any idea mr manchicken?
[03:37] <[Relic] > is it actually using the ram or is it the 3 layer thing that shows all ram allocatted even free memory?
[03:37] <etrusco> ryanakca: i guess it's not a good idea. It'll have to update udev and some other low-level...
[03:37] <ryanakca> [Relic] : depends on your kernel
[03:38] <etrusco> Admiral_Chicago: thanks :-S
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[03:38] <manchicken> malik__: What you mean?  What is using a lot of memory?
[03:38] <ryanakca> etrusco: I built it from source... but for some reason it seems to be slower that 2.6.17... dunno why, I have half of the options the ubuntu kernel has
[03:39] <[Relic] > 2.6.17 I think
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[03:40] <ryanakca> [Relic] : no, the architecture it was built for
[03:40] <ryanakca> bbl
[03:40] <[Relic] > no clue  duron 1800 going to p4 1.8 since the amd board is shot
[03:41] <[Relic] > installed from the live cd  :)
[03:41] <[Relic] > assuming it was donwloaded not created
[03:42] <malik__> when i open the kde system guard it tells me that it is meanin my comp is usin abt 970 out 1 gig ram
[03:43] <[Relic] > but it is makred as used, buffer, and unused, then totalled isn't it?
[03:43] <malik__> i have allaocated my distro abt 2 gig of swap memory but its usin only abt 12 kb of it while hogging the pysical ram
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[03:44] <Jucato> it's supposed to be that way malik__
[03:44] <manchicken> malik__: What do things like top say you got free?
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[03:44] <kelvie> what's a good KDE program to manage TODO lists? (preferably not korganizer)
[03:44] <etrusco> malik__: linux is not windows. it doesn't use swap when you don't need to ;-)
[03:45] <Jucato> malik__: 1) swap is only used when RAM runs out, and 2) accessing RAM is much faster than accessing swap
[03:45] <Jucato> and 3) you paid for that RAM, why don't you want to use it? :)
[03:45] <etrusco> malik__: probably most of your memory is showing as "cached" isn't it?
[03:46] <malik__> but then how come its hogging so much of ram?.i mean fedora was usin at most abt 350 odd mb of ram .n this thing kubuntu is usin nearly all of it
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[03:46] <malik__> even ubuntu didnt hogg that much ram
[03:46] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: yeah catch up on some sleep
[03:46] <Chousuke> malik__: it's not hogging it.
[03:46] <Chousuke> malik__: it's caching
[03:46] <Chousuke> It tries to use all available RAM, even if apps don't need it.
[03:47] <Jucato> malik__: file cache. you can see how much RAM is being allocated to Apps and how much to the cache in KInfoCenter
[03:47] <Chousuke> to speed up operation.
[03:47] <manchicken> malik__: You gotta know what's using the memory.
[03:47] <[Relic] > the graph thing makes it looks like it is all used when the vast majority of it usually isn't
[03:47] <Chousuke> if apps need the ram, then it's taken from the cache space.
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[03:47] <malik__> in the system load - kde system guard ......................its sayin 971mb used n abt 59 mb free of physical memeory
[03:48] <manchicken> But what is using it?
[03:48] <manchicken> A program has to be using it.
[03:48] <Chousuke> You just have to know that free ram is useless RAM
[03:48] <Jucato> malik__: take a peek at KInfoCenter
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[03:50] <Chousuke> Hmm
[03:51] <Chousuke> It seems I currently have 22 MB of free RAM :)
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[03:51] <Chousuke> 400MB is inactive though.
[03:51] <malik__> i did n its sayin only 5 % free physical memory n im not running anything apart from amarok n irc n amsn
[03:51] <Chousuke> malik__: that's normal
[03:51] <Chousuke> it's being used for cache
[03:52] <Chousuke> as it should be
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[03:52] <Chousuke> I mean, if you have 2 GB of RAM, what use would it be to have 80% of it unused all the time?
[03:52] <etrusco> malik__: file cache, to be a bit more - but not exactly -precise
[03:53] <Chousuke> It would be the same as if you had just ~256 MB of ram :P
[03:53] <etrusco> unix/linux keeps all the files that it reads on memory until some program needs the memory
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[03:55] <malik__> okie thats fine n i get that but how come on the same system fedora was usin less memory n was a little bit faster?
[03:55] <manchicken> malik__: What program is using the memory?
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[03:55] <etrusco> repharsing :-S  linux keeps in memory all the files it reads, until some program needs the memory
[03:55] <Jucato> malik__: could be a lot of factors
[03:56] <wildcat_19> how can i make the buttons on my logitech mx518 work?
[03:56] <Chousuke> did you run KDE on Fedora as well?
[03:56] <malik__> yes i had gnome n kde both installed there
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[03:57] <etrusco> Chousuke: the guy won't say "where" the memory is in use, why bother keep on guessing? ;-)
[03:57] <Chousuke> hmm
[03:57] <malik__> but i think imlikin kubuntu  coz its doin so far everythin apart from plugins for opera
[03:57] <Chousuke> true
[03:57] <otaku-san> Does anyone know if there is a kbfx channel?
[03:57] <Chousuke> It's 5 am and I haven't even slept yet.
[03:58] <malik__> well there are alotta processess runnin guyz im just a newbie n dont know which one is which
[03:58] <Chousuke> well just look at the figures.
[03:58] <Chousuke> which uses the most ram, and tell us the name of that process.
[03:58] <etrusco> malik__: open the "KSysguard Performance Monitor" in the System menu
[03:59] <fnordfn> what are the loc./names of the files that configure my wireless?
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[03:59] <etrusco> anybody feel free to suggest a better program ;-)
[04:00] <intelikey> etrusco for what ?
[04:00] <malik__> well i donno what they r but seems like python nkicker n wish n knotify n kicker are the biggest culprits
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[04:01] <malik__> whatever they r
[04:01] <etrusco> intelikey: see how the ram is used: cached files, kernel memory buffers or application memory
[04:01] <Chousuke> malik__: You should learn to use proper spelling.
[04:01] <etrusco> malik__: please do as I suggest :)
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[04:03] <Chousuke> I'm just saying this, but when communicating over irc you only have written language, and it's best to not appear lazy or indifferent about spelling. Even though sadly most won't care.
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[04:03] <malik__> i am reading from Ksysguard
[04:04] <malik__> what is the process called kded?
[04:04] <malik__> its taking about 32mb
[04:04] <fnordfn> thats alot
[04:04] <fnordfn> !kded
[04:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kded - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:04] <intelikey> etrusco "cat /proc/meminfo" + "free -m" + "top"   from the cli    ksysguard in the gui i guess
[04:05] <malik__> should i kill this process?
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[04:05] <JohnFlux> malik__: haha
[04:05] <etrusco> malik__: this doesn't matter. VM size for process is wildly influenced but tens of factors
[04:05] <JohnFlux> malik__: no, don't kill kded :-)
[04:05] <h08817> so i was just wondering what is the major difference between ubuntu and kubuntu?
[04:05] <Chousuke> the DE
[04:05] <JohnFlux> h08817: the default package on the dvd
[04:05] <etrusco> malik__: switch to the System Load tab
[04:05] <JohnFlux> h08817: or cd
[04:05] <JohnFlux> h08817: nothing else
[04:06] <h08817> so nothing to do with the desktop or anything?
[04:06] <Chousuke> well, kubuntu has KDE by default
[04:06] <h08817> so it comes with more programs?
[04:06] <Chousuke> and ubuntu has gnome.
[04:06] <Chousuke> but it's possible to install either in both.
[04:06] <JohnFlux> h08817: right, what Chousuke said
[04:06] <etrusco> and kubuntu has amarok :D
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[04:06] <Chousuke> so does ubuntu
[04:06] <malik__> okie im at system load tab ............to etrusco
[04:06] <h08817> what is amarok?
[04:07] <Chousuke> ubuntu and kubuntu are the same distro. just different default settings.
[04:07] <intelikey> etrusco yeah that's enough reason for me to not like it  :)
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[04:07] <etrusco> malik__: see the physical memory graph?
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[04:07] <malik__> yes its almost towards the top of the box
[04:08] <etrusco> malik__: bingo!
[04:08] <fnordfn> so noone here knw the mnmae of the config file for a wireless card?serius?
[04:08] <JohnFlux> intelikey: do you understand what those entries in meminfo mean?
[04:08] <etrusco> malik__: this means it's only cached files! you don't have to worry ;-)
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[04:08] <manchicken> fnordfn: What now?
[04:09] <intelikey> JohnFlux yeah  why?
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[04:09] <malik__> okie .thanks alot.to all of u guyz for putting up with me.
[04:09] <JohnFlux> "VmallocTotal: 34359738367 kB"
[04:09] <JohnFlux> heh
[04:09] <JohnFlux> intelikey: because I've been meaning to try to improve the memory reporting in ksysguard
[04:10] <etrusco> malik__: np
[04:10] <JohnFlux> intelikey: but it's hard to find anyone that understands what means what :-)
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[04:12] <malik__> what is katapult?....an installer program for linux?
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[04:12] <JohnFlux> malik__: a popup thingy helper thingy
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[04:12] <JohnFlux> malik__: run it, and press alt+space
[04:12] <manchicken> katapult is a program runner.
[04:12] <JohnFlux> +calculator
[04:12] <JohnFlux> +finder
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[04:12] <JohnFlux> +irc chatter thingy
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[04:13] <JohnFlux> intelikey: what's vmRSS ?
[04:14] <etrusco> virtual memory resident set size =P
[04:14] <JohnFlux> ;-)
[04:14] <fnordfn> manchicken,  i need the location and the names of the files that control my wifi card
[04:14] <etrusco> the real amount of physical which acessible to the program
[04:15] <JohnFlux> what if the program is swapped out?
[04:15] <manchicken> fnordfn: IIRC, most of that is kernel-related.
[04:15] <JohnFlux> what about mmap space?
[04:15] <fnordfn> iirc?
[04:15] <JohnFlux> or graphics memory
[04:15] <manchicken> if I recall correctly
[04:15] <JohnFlux> fnordfn:  if i remember correctly
[04:16] <JohnFlux> manchicken: you recalled wrongly!
[04:16] <JohnFlux> !smite
[04:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smite - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:16] <manchicken> Fair enough.
[04:16] <JohnFlux> rats, no smite command
[04:16] <JohnFlux> manchicken: i think you're right actually
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[04:16] <fnordfn> are they the same in ubuntu as in kubuntu?
[04:16] <JohnFlux> fnordfn: yes
[04:17] <JohnFlux> fnordfn: they only differ on the default desktop
[04:17] <Spitzfire> i didn,t see irc client in ubuntu
[04:17] <manchicken> fnordfn: kubuntu == (ubuntu - gnome + kde)
[04:17] <manchicken> (or close enough)
[04:17] <fnordfn> swwet thanks ive been trying to figure this out for like 1:30
[04:17] <JohnFlux> etrusco: bah
[04:17] <fnordfn> yea i know i just wanted to know if i could switch tntuhe ones from ubuntu over to kubu
[04:18] <etrusco> JohnFlux: memory that's swaped out isn't counted in vmrss.
[04:18] <JohnFlux> etrusco: memory is too hard to figure out
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[04:18] <JohnFlux> etrusco: ah, interesting
[04:18] <Spitzfire> people sent me to start on linux to kubuntu
[04:18] <fnordfn> so iirc and nmap space
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[04:18] <fnordfn> thats it?
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[04:19] <etrusco> JohnFlux: AFAICT mmap'ed address are counted in it too.
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[04:19] <etrusco> JohnFlux: indeed, VM is a pita
[04:19] <JohnFlux> etrusco: *nod* it would be hard to tell them apart
[04:19] <JohnFlux> etrusco: i'm the maintainer of ksysguard :/
[04:20] <etrusco> i hope you're kidding :D
[04:20] <JohnFlux> i wish!
[04:20] <etrusco> JohnFlux: or were you testing me? hehe
[04:20] <intelikey> there is something that doesn't meet the eye about that....  "VmallocChunk:   768056 kB"  but that's with "MemTotal:       255220 kB"   no swap....
[04:20] <JohnFlux> etrusco: uh yes of course!  well done!
[04:20] <Spitzfire> i,m giving up on putting ubuntu or kubuntu loadin them up on vm
[04:21] <intelikey> how can it regester  VmallocTotal:   770040 kB   when there is only 256m  ?
[04:21] <JohnFlux> VmallocTotal: 34359738367 kB
[04:21] <etrusco> intelikey: lazy alloc?
[04:21] <JohnFlux> beat that
[04:22] <JohnFlux> VmallocChunk: 34359702003 kB
[04:22] <JohnFlux> VmallocUsed:     36016 kB
[04:22] <intelikey> yeah but how much swap ?
[04:22] <JohnFlux> um
[04:22] <intelikey> see i have NO swap
[04:22] <JohnFlux> either way
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[04:23] <JohnFlux> I have just slightly less than 34359738367kB  of swap!
[04:23] <manchicken> That's a lot of swap.
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[04:23] <fnordfn> why?how many megs is that?
[04:23] <JohnFlux> 34TB  give or take
[04:23] <fnordfn> why?how?
[04:23] <JohnFlux> i have no idea what VmallocTotal means
[04:23] <JohnFlux> but it sure isn't my swap or memory size
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[04:24] <fnordfn> I cant find IIRC anywhere on my comp.
[04:24] <JohnFlux> lol
[04:24] <etrusco> virtual memory in linux can be more "virtual" than in windows =P
[04:24] <JohnFlux> fnordfn: "iirc" means "if i recall correctly"
[04:24] <fnordfn> virtual memory alocated total?
[04:24] <fnordfn> thanx
[04:24] <intelikey> nor the alocated vertual machine memory which would over lap all ram + swap for all vm's running.
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[04:25] <manchicken> It's also an IRC client.
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[04:25] <JohnFlux> manchicken: ..  how confusing
[04:25] <etrusco> linux only really allocate the memory when the "memory" is "touched" (read or written)
[04:25] <manchicken> JohnFlux: It's a mystery... like me.
[04:25] <fnordfn> whats a god amount of VM?
[04:25] <fnordfn> GOOD*
[04:25] <etrusco> so you can allocate as much memory as you want if you don't actually use it...
[04:25] <JohnFlux> well i'm happy with 34TB
[04:25] <intelikey> a god amount would be infinite wouldn't it ????
[04:26] <fnordfn> thats just overkill
[04:26] <JohnFlux> fnordfn: you can't really change it
[04:26] <JohnFlux> depends on if you're in 34 or 64bit mode
[04:26] <JohnFlux> uh
[04:26] <JohnFlux> 32
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[04:26] <fnordfn> cant you resize your swap?isint that vm?or am i confused
[04:27] <Chousuke> Virtual memory doesn't exist.
[04:27] <Chousuke> Virtual memory is what you app thinks it has
[04:27] <Chousuke> it may be more than your swap
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[04:27] <Chousuke> and your physical memory.
[04:27] <JohnFlux> it can also point to your hard disk
[04:28] <JohnFlux> or graphics memory
[04:28] <JohnFlux> or pci address..
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[04:28] <JohnFlux> or serial port
[04:28] <JohnFlux> probably other things
[04:28] <JohnFlux> :-D
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[04:28] <fnordfn> ok,so whats a good amount of swap for a 80 gig hd?
[04:28] <JohnFlux> fnordfn: I always set mine to a 100MB
[04:29] <intelikey> i never have swap
[04:29] <fnordfn> huh i gusse i over did it
[04:29] <Dasnipa`> fnordfn, swap isnt a function of your harddrive space
[04:29] <etrusco> swap size isn't related to harddisk, but to ram size
[04:29] <ThePub> it used to be twice your ram, but with as much ram as we have anymore :)
[04:29] <fnordfn> but you make swap partitions out of your hard disk?
[04:29] <JohnFlux> etrusco: used to be, grandpa
[04:29] <Dasnipa`> fnordfn, yeah 1 gb is about typical
[04:29] <JohnFlux> fnordfn: there used to be this rough guideline
[04:30] <JohnFlux> fnordfn: which said a good swap size is about the size of your real memory.
[04:30] <intelikey> and i have heard the arguments against not using swap... as for my wants and needs i don't choose to use swap.
[04:30] <etrusco> JohnFlux: i was about to complete, "if anything else", but I'm not quite sure the expression meant what I want :-S
[04:30] <JohnFlux> fnordfn: so if you have 128MB of memory, then make your swap 128MB as well
[04:30] <Dasnipa`> JohnFlux, the old standard was twice memory...
[04:31] <ThePub> haven't swap isn't a terribly bad idea, if for some reason you need it then you're not crashing at least ^^
[04:31] <JohnFlux> Dasnipa`: great-grandpa?
[04:31] <ThePub> s/haven't/having/
[04:31] <Spitzfire> how to change the color of irc client this is hard on the eyes
[04:31] <intelikey> JohnFlux fnordfn another old rule of thumb was (ram x 2) + kernel size  (normally around 4m unpacked)
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[04:32] <JohnFlux> ThePub: I can see that people might rather the OOM just kill a few apps than grind the system to a crawl using swap
[04:32] <fnordfn> oom?
[04:32] <JohnFlux> Out Of Memory  manager
[04:32] <JohnFlux> the thing that decides what to kill when you run out of memory :-)
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[04:33] <JohnFlux> i used to kernel hack heh
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[04:33] <ThePub> JohnFlux: "grind the syustem to a crawl" is hardly representative of using some swap.
[04:33] <fnordfn> im running a 1.7ghz 512 ram 80gig hd should i use it or not?
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[04:33] <JohnFlux> fnordfn: yes
[04:33] <JohnFlux> fnordfn: 128MB is fairly good
[04:33] <JohnFlux> imho
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[04:34] <etrusco> swap is useful so that rarely used apps or rarely used memory inside your apps can be moved to swap to make more room for disk cache :)
[04:34] <intelikey> fnordfn by all modern standards yes.   but it depends one whether or not you want to really
[04:34] <JohnFlux> ThePub: if you've run out of memory and relying on swap, your system isn't going to be fun to work with
[04:34] <etrusco> JohnFlux: lol
[04:35] <intelikey> etrusco yeah but if you never use over 100m anyway and have three times that....
[04:35] <ThePub> JohnFlux: Hopefully that isn't the case then eh?  Like I said, it's not a killer to have some for the "just in case it's needed" scenario.
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[04:36] <JohnFlux> ThePub: but like I said, it's not killer to me if the kernel (OOM) just kills the app that's eating all my memory
[04:36] <fnordfn> !oom
[04:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about oom - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:36] <etrusco> intelikey: sure, but unfortunately it's some years since linux desktops could run on less than 100MB ram :(
[04:36] <ThePub> JohnFlux: Let's hope it's not important then ^_^
[04:36] <JohnFlux> ThePub: Indeed :-)
[04:36] <intelikey> etrusco hah  shows what you know.
[04:37] <fnordfn> whats edgy recomend for ram?
[04:37] <draik> I am still having the same issue as yesterday.
[04:37] <Spitzfire> anyone use vm and get it sorted to run all linux os
[04:37] <draik> I cannot get the SD card in my Kodak EasyShare C643 to read.
[04:37] <JohnFlux> Spitzfire: uh, what?
[04:37] <draik> The camera wants to format the card
[04:38] <JohnFlux> Spitzfire: vmware you mean?
[04:38] <draik> Does anybody know of a way around this?
[04:38] <draik> I want to be able to view the pictures and back them up.
[04:38] <Spitzfire> john you mind if i call you j
[04:38] <intelikey> etrusco i ran dapper in 128m  on this box.... i have added another 128 now.   but i have another box with 64m i have ran kubuntu in with no swap... only if i got careless would oomk come into play.
[04:38] <Spitzfire> keep things short :)
[04:38] <JohnFlux> Spitzfire: type "jo" then press tab
[04:39] <Spitzfire> JohnFlux: haha
[04:39] <Spitzfire> works
[04:39] <JohnFlux> :-)
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[04:39] <fnordfn> is a celeron M, 64bit?
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[04:39] <Spitzfire> i,m a newbie nob well nots say nob just startin out fresh
[04:39] <manchicken> No, that's 32
[04:40] <intelikey> etrusco this box is only using 12m as we speek.
[04:40] <manchicken> I don't believe there are any 64-bit celeron procs.
[04:40] <etrusco> intelikey: you're running on text mode? =P
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[04:41] <reggie> hello
[04:41] <intelikey> etrusco not now i'm not.  and it went up to    15m
[04:41] <reggie> ?
[04:41] <sbr> hi guys
[04:41] <ThePub> etrusco: it can remain pretty slim if you go minimalistic.
[04:41] <etrusco> hi
[04:41] <JohnFlux> i remember booting X off of 6 floppies
[04:42] <JohnFlux> kernel, a few programs, everything in 6 floppies
[04:42] <ThePub> JohnFlux: Yggdrasil CD boot, more fun ^^
[04:42] <JohnFlux> ah, those were the days
[04:42] <JohnFlux> :-D
[04:42] <JohnFlux> CD's were cheating
[04:42] <reggie> anybody know how to burn grub bootloader to cdrom?
[04:42] <ThePub> JohnFlux: not when it's an external panasonic 1/2 speed disk ^^
[04:42] <JohnFlux> reggie: google?
[04:42] <etrusco> ThePub, intelikey: i know all of this, but i'm a programmer, and i like firefox, and i keep amule usually, and i like listening to amarok, so... :-P
[04:42] <intelikey> install and use grub-cd ?
[04:43] <reggie> ya
[04:43] <reggie> ya
[04:43] <reggie> i know
[04:43] <JohnFlux> intelikey: oh there's a grub-cd ?
[04:43] <JohnFlux> that's cool
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[04:43] <reggie> i dont have a floppy drive
[04:43] <intelikey> excuse me it's  grub-disk
[04:43] <JohnFlux> ThePub: what, _only_ 78Kb/sec ?  Luxury!!
[04:43] <reggie> i need to burn a bootable grub cd
[04:44] <JohnFlux> uh
[04:44] <JohnFlux> 64 Kb/sec
[04:44] <intelikey> JohnFlux yes there is a downloadable grub-cd   all it does is runs grub from the cd
[04:44] <JohnFlux> or whatevr 1/2 speed is
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[04:44] <reggie> is it on main ubuntu site?
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[04:45] <jeff_> Hi, all
[04:45] <intelikey> unfortunatly i can't use grub  it won't boot my system
[04:45] <jeff_> Hey, does anyone know if the user icon size in a userlist in KDM is configurable?
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[04:46] <ThePub> jeff_: user icon size?
[04:46] <reggie> grub keeps corrupting the mbr of my win xp installation when i install it on C: drive
[04:46] <intelikey> jeff_ of course it is.  it's just a question of how much time and energy you want to spend on it.
[04:46] <metres> reggie : I use gag boot loader and it works fine
[04:46] <intelikey> reggie of course it will
[04:47] <ThePub> So my question is simple.  After installing the ATI proprietary driver TVTime "moves" the picture away when my mouse moves to the second display.  Why?
[04:47] <reggie> why would it if it is able to sniff out the ntfs
[04:48] <ThePub> I'm guessing it is related to something related to a video overlay desktop size.
[04:48] <intelikey> reggie cause the mbr is where it's installing to ???
[04:48] <reggie> ok then....
[04:48] <jeff_> intelikey: well, I just finished modifying the default kubuntu theme to include a user list.  I was hoping there was something I could put in the XML.
[04:49] <reggie> so your saying it installs it inside the xp partition?
[04:49] <intelikey> jeff_ i'm sure there is.  i'm sorry i don't have the easy answer for you.
[04:49] <jeff_> ThePub: Yeah, when you use a userlist in KDM, you can specify icons for each user (like a face or racecar, etc) -- I'm trying to make them larger.
[04:49] <intelikey> reggie no
[04:49] <intelikey> reggie the mbr is outside the xp partition
[04:49] <reggie> ok :)
[04:50] <reggie> im getting somewhere
[04:50] <intelikey> reggie the mbr is the first 512 bites of the disk itself
[04:50] <jeff_> intelikey: That's ok -- I'm looking through docs.kde.org, although the HTML help doesn't seem to deal with theme creation at all.
[04:50] <reggie> this has been driving me crazy for 3 days
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[04:51] <intelikey> !grub | reggie
[04:51] <ubotu> reggie: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
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[04:53] <reggie> ok thanks ive been through the grub howto link however i have a question
[04:53] <jeff_> intelikey: Actually, looking through the docs, it looks like the current version of KDM wants to scale user icons to 48x48, but may show larger sizes in the future.  In case you were curious.
[04:53] <reggie> where it says INSTalling grub to other disks
[04:53] <metres> Do anyone know why windows volume manager corrupt my kubuntu partition ?
[04:53] <enyawix> what mail server is it that acts like sendmail on install?
[04:53] <enyawix> qmail or postfix
[04:54] <intelikey> jeff_ k  thanks for the fish.
[04:54] <reggie> is it possible to put grub on a cdrom to boot from?
[04:54] <intelikey> enyawix postfix
[04:54] <reggie> they dont say
[04:54] <enyawix> thanks
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[04:54] <intelikey> reggie it is indeed  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:55] <reggie> ok ill search again
[04:55] <intelikey> reggie there is also a pre-built iso for that.  goggle can find it.
[04:56] <reggie> thanks
[04:56] <reggie> i will search
[04:56] <intelikey> </sp!> jewgle
[04:57] <reggie> i found thaanks
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[04:57] <reggie> thanks
[04:57] <intelikey> yeah that too  :)
[04:57] <reggie> im just tired
[04:58] <intelikey> i just can't spell
[04:58] <intelikey> :)
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[04:58] <intelikey> some times i have trubble spelling 'a'
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[05:00] <mathieu_>  /join #kde-devel
[05:00] <mathieu_> blah
[05:00] <mathieu_> is there a way to make kscreensaver NOT apply keypress to underlying app?
[05:00] <desterkin> I just installed ndiswrapper-utils, and the appropriate driver. Install looked good, but iwconfig shows AP Invalid.
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[05:02] <desterkin> Also, lshw -C network lists the entry for the wireless card as disabled.
[05:02] <intelikey> mathieu_ if you could cause the screensaver to focus input to a null app
[05:02] <intelikey> i mean i'm sure it can be done
[05:03] <mathieu_> so many time I have quanta running, then kscreensaver starts and introduce fatal error in my PHP code when I hit a key to return to my desktop
[05:03] <intelikey> or could readin a blank keymap when screensaver starts and reset it when it drops out.
[05:03] <mathieu_> I;'d rather have a checkbox :P
[05:04] <intelikey> oh   there may be one.   i don't mess with screen savers
[05:04] <intelikey> apm blanks my screen if inactive for 15 minutes...
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[05:05] <mathieu_> well I set it at 1 min. so my sneaky coworkers dont... err.. sneak :P
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[05:06] <intelikey> mathieu_ hehhe yeah.
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[05:07] <intelikey> make them hack your box,  that'll teach 'em    :)
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[05:08] <intelikey> mathieu_ and that's with password ?     i would have thought the pasword reader would catch the input.
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[05:08] <mathieu_> w/o password
[05:09] <intelikey> dapper running kde in less than 30m of ram as we speek...
[05:09] <mathieu_> actually I set password 90 seconds later
[05:09] <mathieu_> so in this case no problem
[05:09] <mathieu_> I guess I could kjust fix that
[05:10] <mathieu_> but still... id have loved an option
[05:10] <mathieu_> 30m??
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[05:10] <intelikey> yeah free -m   -/+ buffers/cache:         27        222
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[05:11] <intelikey> used 27m   free  222m
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[05:13] <intelikey> it's only got 114m allocated  proving that 128m is still enough if the apps don't get too hungry
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[05:15] <intelikey> the only thing running in kde is konqueror and kicker  at this time.    there are 12 shells running system wide
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[05:22] <Jucato> can anyone view this SVG in Konqueror? http://kubuntu.org/art/kubuntu-edgy.svg (it displays in Firefox and Opera)
[05:24] <Dr_willis> In the status bar..  "A Legal svg document requires a <sgv> root element"
[05:24] <Dr_willis> it aint showing here. :)
[05:24] <Jucato> heh...
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[05:24] <Jucato> so it's not Kubuntu-specific. thanks :)
[05:25] <Dr_willis> works in opera :)
[05:25] <Jucato> like what I said :)
[05:25] <Dr_willis> try it in links!
[05:25] <Dr_willis> :)
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[05:25] <Jucato> lol
[05:26] <intelikey> works in elinks
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[05:30] <jeff_> Hi, all
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[05:30] <mathieu_> lo
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[05:32] <jeff_> Anyone have any idea why Amarok will only show me /home and /media when I try to build a collection?
[05:32] <jeff_> Interestingly, Konqueror does the same thing to me.
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[05:33] <mathieu_> hidden files
[05:33] <jeff_> Even though doing a ls at / will show me everything.
[05:33] <mathieu_> i guess theres a bot command...
[05:34] <Dr_willis> Thats a 'feature'
[05:34] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:34] <Dr_willis> !hidden
[05:34] <ubotu> Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[05:34] <unix_infidel> will fawn have the same "feature"?
[05:34] <Jucato> no
[05:34] <Dr_willis> proberly
[05:34] <mathieu_> unix_infidel: no
[05:34] <unix_infidel> spectacular.
[05:34] <abattoir> unix_infidel: i's been removed in edgy itself
[05:34] <Jucato> didn't you read the Herd1 release notes?
[05:34] <mathieu_> (from what I read, anyway)
[05:34] <jeff_> Dr_willis: thanks. sounds like it.
[05:34] <Jucato> :P
[05:34] <Dr_willis> no? heh they got that many complaints about it?
[05:34] <jeff_> mathieu_: thanks for your help.
[05:34] <Jucato> abattoir: not in edgy yet, afaik
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[05:34] <abattoir> Jucato: i think there was an update...
[05:34] <unix_infidel> Jucato: i dont get paid to read release notes :P
[05:35] <unix_infidel> not for a desktop OS anyway :P
[05:35] <Jucato> abattoir: no update for kubuntu-default-settings, so that would be a 'no'
[05:35] <Dr_willis> I sort of like the .hidden thing - keeps the wife from getting lost when shes  loading a file.
[05:35] <unix_infidel> maybe it should be an installer option.
[05:35] <Jucato> Dr_willis: they will be trying to implement something different but still usable
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[05:35] <mathieu_> i can confirm its not in feisty anymore
[05:35] <Dr_willis> Heh - yea. a 'per user' feature would be best i guess.
[05:36] <abattoir> Jucato: well, you should know...
[05:36] <Jucato> abattoir: heh yeah. I keep tabs on it :)
[05:36] <abattoir> Jucato: you keep tabs on *everything* :P
[05:36] <Dr_willis> Hmm..
[05:36] <Jucato> there has been no update for k-d-s, so it won't be affected :P
[05:36] <Dr_willis> Is the default 'samba config' now set to not share homes?
[05:36] <Dr_willis> i just instatalled samba on thus box and noticed that.
[05:36] <Jucato> Dr_willis: I think something like grayed-out folders for the root stuff or something...
[05:37] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  the problem i see with 'user friendly tweaks' like this is that it often makes it harder for 'support people (like us)' to help users trouble shoot.. because we have to work around the idiot-proofing :)
[05:37] <intelikey> they have to protect the precious os for the damned owner/users ...
[05:38] <intelikey> it's really sad that people think that way.
[05:38] <Dr_willis> Its not like a user can trash stuff by poking around /,  :)
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[05:38] <Dr_willis> even now with the .hidden you can still type in /etc/ to get there
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[05:38] <mathieu_> but *not* where it would make sense though (like that amarok collection dialog)
[05:38] <Jucato> intelikey: not all users are as smart as you
[05:39] <Jucato> :)
[05:39] <intelikey> most are smarter.
[05:39] <Dr_willis> I find it odd that a music collection wouldent be in the users home dir. :)
[05:39] <Jucato> I doubt it :P
[05:39] <Jucato> Dr_willis: some put it in other partitions, which they (wrongly?) mount in /mnt
[05:39] <Dr_willis> but i have 7 hard drives on this box... so i got trash scattered all over.. but all the extra hd's have links on the users desktop. :P
[05:40] <intelikey> how many refuse to use propritary krap on general principal ?   that should be enough said right there.
[05:40] <mathieu_> Dr_willis: my collection is on a NAS
[05:40] <mathieu_> i guess im not alone
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[05:40] <Dr_willis> I made a 'drives' dir with links to all the other drives and other 'shares' that sits in the  users home dir.
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[05:40] <Jucato> Dr_willis: that's smart :)
[05:40] <Jucato> at least for me
[05:40] <Dr_willis> I consoldated all my usb/nas/fileservers - into this one box.
[05:40] <stefano> hi to all
[05:41] <mathieu_> well i would never give up my nslu2
[05:41] <Dr_willis> i kept loseing fileservers.. (where did i hook that one up to....)
[05:41] <stefano> I need help for a problem with my pen sub wifi
[05:41] <Jucato> off to lunch
[05:41] <Dr_willis> mathieu_,  i got one.. found it a little flakey.. so i moved the usb drives to a fileserver.
[05:41] <mathieu_> flakey?
[05:41] <stefano> can someone help me?
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[05:42] <intelikey> !wifi | stefano
[05:42] <ubotu> stefano: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:42] <Dr_willis> mathieu_,  yep.. it would just 'lose connection' every so often.. and other weirdness.. never did track it down.
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[05:42] <mathieu_> ok. you unsnlung'ed it?
[05:42] <Dr_willis> I think i still got it in the closet.
[05:43] <Dr_willis> I used the unslung stuff also to try to get it more stable..
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[05:43] <Dr_willis> been a few months now since i last used it.
[05:43] <Dr_willis> perhaps a year even.
[05:43] <Dr_willis> i need to give it to my brother. :)
[05:43] <ScottA> I need help. I am a SERIOUS n00b to linux.
[05:43] <Dr_willis> he gets all my old stuff
[05:43] <mathieu_> mine's used as a bittorrent client and a NZB parser, as well as a poor-man's firewall and i got 0 complaint so far (2yrs)
[05:43] <Dr_willis> ScottA,  #1 ask a question.
[05:43] <stefano> ohok...but I have kubuntu...is the info the same?
[05:43] <ScottA> srry
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[05:44] <ScottA> I recently installed kubuntu 6.10 on my computer
[05:44] <ScottA> (dual booted)
[05:44] <stefano> it's great
[05:44] <ScottA> and I cannot get KDE to start.
[05:44] <stefano> but I have a strange problem with the wifi usb pen
[05:44] <ScottA> ...
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[05:44] <ScottA> I did.
[05:45] <intelikey> hmmm i don't see it
[05:45] <stefano> after few hours the connection drops down...and the pen is no more recognised until I restart
[05:45] <Dr_willis> ScottA,  you mean when you get to the 'kdm login screen' you enter your user/password and what happens?
[05:45] <purpleposeidon> intelikey: "Why isn't KDE starting?"
[05:45] <mathieu_> ScottA: does the login manager start at all? (does X start)
[05:45] <stefano> I thought I need the right driver
[05:45] <ScottA> I get the scott@Scott: prompt.
[05:45] <intelikey> purpleposeidon you see that in what he said ?
[05:46] <Dr_willis> ScottA,  has it EVER gotten to a pretty graphical Login screen ?
[05:46] <ScottA> no
[05:46] <stefano> But I'm not sure becouse of anyway the pen is recognised automatically...and works fine
[05:46] <mathieu_> ScottA: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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[05:46] <ScottA> hld
[05:46] <purpleposeidon> intelikey: is that not what he wants to know?
[05:46] <mathieu_> look for the (EE) (errors) lines
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[05:47] <intelikey> purpleposeidon maybe.  are we supposed to guess that kind of thing?      ass-u-me it.
[05:47] <ScottA> back
[05:48] <jefri> wow, beryl is preety nice
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[05:48] <mathieu_> ScottA: so..?
[05:49] <ScottA> u want me to try that command?
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[05:50] <ScottA> brb
[05:50] <mathieu_> yes this should output many lines to your screen which will help diagnose the problem
[05:50] <ScottA> thx.
[05:50] <ScottA> brb
[05:50] <intelikey> see
[05:51] <mathieu_> oh wow i thought he was on a diferent box heh
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[05:58] <inteliwasp> is there a way to force my processor on my laptop to maintain full speed?
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[05:59] <ScottA> _matheiu: I tried what you said. It said "Server Error: No screens found"
[06:00] <ScottA> then just gave me the scott@Scott ~$: prompt again.
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[06:00] <intelikey> ScottA sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:00] <intelikey> answer all qestions carefully and correctly.
[06:00] <flake> sry if this is offtopic, but where can i find an irc dealing with art / acrylics?
[06:01] <intelikey> flake /list *art*
[06:01] <flake> thank you
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[06:03] <nick125_> ls
[06:04] <nick125_> anyhere that can help me get sound juicer working with mp3>
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[06:22] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. the kubuntu faq has some info on mp3 ussage with specific programs.
[06:23] <Dr_willis> not sure if it mentions soundjuicer. (never used that one)
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[06:37] <intelikey> Jucato thank you.   and good by all you my friends in here.  i should spend not so much time in here henceforth.
[06:37] <Jucato> O.o
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[06:40] <burepe> I installed drupal with synaptic in ubuntu, but I don't know where it installed to. Anyone know?
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[06:43] <noiesmo> burepe, I think it goes into /usr/share
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[06:44] <burepe> but isn't apache at /var/www/? Do I move it there?
[06:44] <noiesmo> burepe, it does some fancy linking I thinks
[06:44] <burepe> Can I ask you a question about apache
[06:44] <burepe> ?
[06:45] <noiesmo> burepe, any web apps like joomla,geelkog phpmyadmin i normally manually install download the source or zips and extract them were I want ie /var/www
[06:45] <noiesmo> burepe, ask away
[06:46] <burepe> I changed the apache2-default folder name bacause I wasn't sure where to put my site files and then I get access denied when going to http://localhost/
[06:46] <burepe> I think I changed the permissions when I changed the name
[06:46] <burepe> I changed it back though
[06:46] <burepe> but it is still like that
[06:47] <burepe> Actually I might not have remembered the directory name corrrectly and that is the problem. Can you tell me the name of the Apache directory in /var/www/?
[06:48] <noiesmo> burepe, hmmm it should be apache2-default
[06:48] <burepe> ok
[06:48] <burepe> then should I change the permissions?
[06:48] <noiesmo> burepe, ok lets check whats in /var/www/apache2-default is there an index.html file in there
[06:48] <burepe> a bunch
[06:49] <burepe> different language ones
[06:49] <burepe> one sec
[06:49] <noiesmo> burepe, ok try http://localhost/index.html
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[06:49] <noiesmo> burepe, or try loading one thats there
[06:50] <burepe> access forbidden
[06:50] <noiesmo> burepe, your access denied might be because you are not allowed to list file only load if you know what I mean
[06:50] <noiesmo> burepe, did you put a .haccess file in there
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[06:51] <momal> anyone have any ideas on how i can disable all my usb ports? So people can't come and plug there ipod in and charge it from the computer ?... Without having to reboot to re-enable them.
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[06:51] <burepe> no but it was working before I changed the file name. It was like welcome to apache
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[06:51] <noiesmo> burepe, did you edit anything in /etc/apache2 folder
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[06:52] <burepe> no] 
[06:52] <burepe> just the name
[06:52] <noiesmo> burepe, this is the permisions etc on one my web folders drwxr-xr-x  21 www-data www-data    4096 2006-04-28 23:44 mambo
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[06:53] <MukiEX> How do I run an X Window in a new display?
[06:53] <momal> burepe: what you mean you changed the name?
[06:53] <MukiEX> Oh screw it, I'll just log in as a new person.
[06:53] <burepe> i changed the directory name
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[06:54] <noiesmo> burepe, in any of the /etc/apache2 files also maybe restart apache
[06:54] <momal> or /etc/apache2? or folder where your webfiles are?
[06:54] <burepe> from "apache2-default" to "apache"
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[06:54] <burepe> in /var/www/
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[06:55] <burepe> what is in /etc/apache2 ?
[06:55] <momal> /etc/apache2 = config files
[06:55] <noiesmo> burepe, /etc/apache2 is all the config files etc
[06:55] <momal> if you cahnged /var/www/apache2-default to just apache
[06:55] <momal> it means it slooking for apache2-default
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[06:55] <momal> until you cahnge it in the config files
[06:56] <burepe> I changed it aback after I got access denied but it is still not working
[06:57] <burepe> basically I got it all installed but I don't know how to use it. I don't even know where I put the files for my site.
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[06:57] <ritalin> hi
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[06:57] <burepe> noisemo should I change that directory's permissions to the one you told me?
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[06:58] <momal> burepe: want me to help set you up for apache ?
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[06:59] <momal> :p
[06:59] <burepe> sure
[07:00] <burepe> I changed the apache2-default folder name bacause I wasn't sure where to put my site files and then I get access denied when going to http://localhost/
[07:00] <burepe> I set it up but then I messed it up :)
[07:00] <momal> i'll talk via pm since i'll be pasting few big things :)
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[07:03] <noiesmo> !xgl | chrismo
[07:03] <ubotu> chrismo: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
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[07:07] <majnoon> (ok if you asleep TALK UP )
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[07:08] <Matthew> I need help with my computer. I was watching a movie w/ kaffiene while try to un-rar a bunch of files...long story short, I had to do a hard restart, and now when I play a movie under anything, I get a blue box for video, but the sound is intact.
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[07:08] <Matthew> I'm using Dapper
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[07:10] <Matthew> I've already reinstalled Kaffeine and Xine, but that didn't help at all
[07:10] <jbruckman> what's the package for xine mp3 supprt?
[07:11] <Matthew> jbruckman, try mpg123
[07:11] <Matthew> jbruckman, sudo apt-get install mpg123
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[07:11] <jbruckman> i thought it was something simple like libxine-extras
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[07:12] <jbruckman> but i can't remember exactly what it is
[07:12] <RodimusPrime> i am running kubuntu on amd athlon 64
[07:12] <Matthew> jbruckman, I just know that it works for me...
[07:12] <RodimusPrime> i tried installing azureus and it bombed
[07:12] <jbruckman> matther: ok, thanks.
[07:12] <jbruckman> matthew: ok, thanks.
[07:12] <Matthew> jbruckman, no prob...
[07:12] <RodimusPrime> will azureus-gjc work ? ... I have read some issues with it stopping after a few minutes of download
[07:12] <RodimusPrime> anyone experienced that ?
[07:12] <burepe> momal: I don't have my nic registered. I just want to make sure you can see what I wrote in the pm. can you?
[07:13] <momal> nope can't... but im writing up a quick tutorial for you :)
[07:13] <jbruckman> matthew: it can't find that package. I'm running kubuntu dapper, btw
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[07:13] <momal> so i'll link you once im done :)
[07:13] <burepe> thanks
[07:13] <Matthew> I'm having trouble playing video w/ kaffiene. I had to do a hard reset whilst watching a movie, and now no video shows up, only audio comes through. I've already tried reinstalling kaffeine and xine...no help
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[07:13] <Matthew> jbruckman, let me take a look, brb
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[07:13] <beau> so this is where to get help eh?
[07:14] <Matthew> jbruckman, the command is sudo apt-get install mpg123
[07:14] <jbruckman> Matthew: That's what I typed, and the mpg123 package can't be found.
[07:14] <Matthew> jbruckman, ok, do this instead...
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[07:14] <jbruckman> Matthew: what repos are you using?
[07:15] <Matthew> jbruckman, you need to changes your sources.list file...do you know how to do that?
[07:15] <Matthew> jbruckman, I use all of them
[07:15] <beau> well when you get a chance i have a question im unable to su to root from console i get wuth failure
[07:15] <jbruckman> yeah, i think i forgot to add multiverse.
[07:15] <jbruckman> one sec.
[07:15] <beau> auth i mean
[07:15] <Matthew> can anyone help me w/ my problem?
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[07:15] <noiesmo> !root | beau
[07:15] <ubotu> beau: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:16] <beau> ty
[07:16] <noiesmo> np
[07:17] <Matthew> ok...no help to be found...hmmm
[07:17] <beau> awsome
[07:17] <beau> that was easy
[07:17] <Matthew> jbruckman, did that work for you?
[07:17] <jbruckman> Matthew: yeah, thanks a lot
[07:17] <Matthew> jbruckman, no problem
[07:18] <Matthew> have fun!
[07:18] <beau> ok so now eh is there a urpmi for Kubuntu?
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[07:18] <noiesmo> Matthew, maybe something happen to your kaffeine settings in your home folder does it work for other users
[07:18] <beau> i had installed for mandriva
[07:18] <Matthew> noiesmo, I don't have any other users on my computer....perhaps I should create one and try that?
[07:19] <noiesmo> Matthew, wouldn't hurt
[07:19] <Matthew> noiesmo, thanks, by the way.
[07:19] <Matthew> ok...brb...
[07:19] <noiesmo> beau, maybe its like apt-get or aptitude
[07:20] <noiesmo> beau, type > man apt-get
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[07:21] <noiesmo> beau, here http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[07:22] <beau> wow that gave me tons to look over
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[07:22] <noiesmo> beau, if you add universe and multiverse to each line in your sources.list that is not commented out then do apt-get update you will get access to many more packages but please note there are legal/copyright issues etc with them
[07:23] <Admiral_Chicago> gonzo?
[07:23] <Admiral_Chicago> maikeru: there you are
[07:23] <beau> wow so hmmmm thats alot
[07:24] <beau> so to get a pkg from the console id type apt-get amarok ?
[07:24] <noiesmo> sudo apt-get install amarok
[07:24] <beau> install i got it..see amarok wont play streaming audio for me
[07:25] <beau> the play list downloads and all the song title shows up but no sound
[07:25] <beau> i got system sounds so thats ok but not on amarok
[07:25] <noiesmo> then you can do sudo apt-cache search amarok see what other packages referance to amarok
[07:26] <olegfink> what a dull thing: in edgy liblablgtk-ocaml depends on unexistent ocaml-base-nox-3.09.1 while in feisty on normal 3.09.2
[07:26] <maikeru> Admiral_Chicago  Yeah Im here
[07:26] <olegfink> and they say they cannot fix it ;)
[07:26] <Matthew> noiesmo, I tried it under another user, and it didn't work...got an audio driver problem
[07:26] <beau> just the arts and xine engines came up
[07:27] <beau> i got that those already from adept
[07:27] <beau> lol
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[07:27] <noiesmo> Matthew, well its not profile related have you tried another player enven if having to install does sound work normally
[07:28] <noiesmo> beau, for streaming I use streamtuner havent tried stream thru amarok but use amarok for me mp3's
[07:28] <Matthew> noiesmo, I tried other players, but they just shutdown right after they are initialized, and there is usually sound w/ kaffiene.
[07:29] <Matthew> beau, you might be interested in using xmms to stream music...
[07:30] <noiesmo> Matthew, man that kinda suks, do you get or any sound is it system wide
[07:30] <chrismo> Matthew: maybe you need to covert the video to Ogg
[07:30] <beau> ill try that man you guys are so helpfull
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[07:30] <Matthew> noiesmo, no I get sound when I stream vids online...and I also get sound when I play movies, just no video output
[07:30] <beau> OMG!!!!!! ITS WORKING THANK YOU!!!!!
[07:31] <user____> 
[07:31] <beau> gee wiz that was so easy
[07:31] <user____>   
[07:31] <Matthew> lol @ beau
[07:31] <Matthew> in a nice way
[07:31] <beau> hahaha
[07:32] <beau> now i can listen to the air traffic controllers
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[07:32] <noiesmo> Matthew, in kaffeine under xine-engine paramaters have you check video settings etc maybe try some others
[07:32] <lascar> evening/morning to all
[07:33] <Matthew> noiesmo, nah, I already took a look, it looks fine (although I'm really not an expert...)
[07:33] <Matthew> chrismo, nope, I've been watching .avi movies for about a month now
[07:33] <noiesmo> Matthew, same sorry maybe someone will come on line later that knows
[07:33] <user____> faq
[07:33] <Matthew> noiesmo, oh well, thanks so much for your help anyways!
[07:33] <noiesmo> np
[07:34] <user____> mae  fake
[07:34] <Matthew> noiesmo, If I can't find a solution, I'll just reinstall Kubuntu...no biggie
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[07:34] <Byan> my sound doesn't work..
[07:34] <Byan> how do I fix it?
[07:35] <noiesmo> Byan, type alsamixer in terminal
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[07:35] <lascar> who knows a really good bitorrent client for linux, besides Azureus and Ktorrent?
[07:35] <jeisma> isi t possible to password-protect folders on kubuntu?
[07:36] <noiesmo> lascar, i use bittornado find it goood
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[07:36] <Byan> noiesmo: it uses the wrong device
[07:36] <lascar> noiesmo: i'll give it a try
[07:36] <noiesmo> lascar,  bittornado-gui - bittorrent client with enhanced GUI interface
[07:37] <noiesmo> Byan, ok what sound card you got
[07:37] <lascar> noiesmo: roger that
[07:37] <Byan> noiesmo: SB live
[07:37] <noiesmo> Byan, type lspci in terminal and see if it tells you what sonund card is
[07:37] <noiesmo> Byan, have you got onbaord as well
[07:37] <jeisma> you can't password protect folders?
[07:38] <Byan> noiesmo: it does and alsamixer -c 1 opens up that device
[07:38] <noiesmo> Byan, maybe you need to disable onboard card in bios
[07:38] <beau> you guys are too smart
[07:38] <Byan> noiesmo: I don't have to do that in windows
[07:38] <Byan> how do I select the SB live
[07:38] <Byan> make it primary, ect.
[07:38] <lotusleaf> jeisma: kgpg may be what you're looking for
[07:38] <noiesmo> Byan, i don't care about windows
[07:39] <beau> no one does really
[07:39] <beau> lol
[07:39] <jeisma> lotusleaf what is that?
[07:39] <lotusleaf> !kgpg
[07:39] <ubotu> kgpg: GnuPG frontend for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 445 kB, installed size 1404 kB
[07:39] <lotusleaf> jeisma: something which does what you're looking for, and then some
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[07:39] <jeisma> lotusleaf: how do i go about installing it?
[07:39] <Byan> noiesmo: my point is that, the device is installed, and working, there is no reason for me to have to disable my integrated in order to use my PCI card
[07:40] <lotusleaf> jeisma: are you using kubuntu?
[07:40] <beau> i had a weird problem with ubuntu..when i ran the live cd it stopped my cpu fan
[07:40] <jeisma> lotusleaf: yes
[07:40] <lotusleaf> jeisma: well from the command line you can type sudo apt-get install kgpg
[07:40] <lotusleaf> jeisma: or in your package manager (Adept or Synaptic whichever one you use) you can search for and install it from there.
[07:40] <noiesmo> Byan, i was only joking i don't know how to set it with alsa but htats just what id do as if i have a sound live i wouldnt be using my onboard on anyway
[07:41] <jeisma> !crash
[07:41] <ubotu> debug is ~= /.//
[07:41] <jeisma> waht do i do when this happen
[07:41] <jeisma> jeisma@Kubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install kgpg
[07:41] <jeisma> Password:
[07:41] <jeisma> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[07:41] <jeisma> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[07:41] <Jucato> not again?
[07:41] <Jucato> !adept crash fix | jeisma
[07:41] <ubotu> jeisma: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[07:42] <jeisma> why does that happen often?
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[07:42] <lotusleaf> jeisma: I don't know, I use Synaptic in Kubuntu :)
[07:42] <jeisma> lotusleaf: now that i installed it, now how do i use it?
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[07:43] <lotusleaf> jeisma: first you want to make your own gpg key
[07:43] <jeisma> k how?
[07:43] <lotusleaf> jeisma: plz join #kubuntu-offtopic
[07:44] <jeisma> ha how do i do that?
[07:44] <lotusleaf> type /join #kubuntu-offtopic
[07:44] <Jucato> jeisma: it happens when Adept (or apt-get) is suddenly closed when it's still doing something
[07:44] <jeisma> ok i'm in there
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[07:45] <tony__> hi guys...i am a complete noob trying to shed myself of windows completely..i have downloaded adobe flash player for a website..and it says i can't simply run the installer from a gui...but have to do it in konsole..i'm using edgy eft...any help?
[07:46] <tony__> i have the installer in this file..../home/tony/downloads/install_flash_player_7_linux
[07:46] <lascar> bittornado blows
[07:47] <tony__> try azureus..it's a good torrent program
[07:47] <lascar> tony: did you extract the installer
[07:47] <lascar> tony: no thanx
[07:47] <tony__> yes...extracted and everything
[07:48] <tony__> here's the point i'm having trouble with "Navigate to this directory and from the command line type ./flashplayer-installer to run the installer (Note: this can only be run from the command line)"
[07:48] <tony__> how do i navigate to that folder in konsole?
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[07:49] <beau> cd
[07:49] <lascar> tony: yeah, what beau said
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[07:49] <vader> tony__, what I would do is cd Desktop/<package>
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[07:50] <beau> i would do a pwd from the console then change to the right /dir with cd
[07:50] <beau> of use ls from the home /dir
[07:50] <lascar> does anyone know any other bittorrent clients besides Azureus, Ktorrent, and Bittornado?
[07:50] <beau> to see your correct path
[07:50] <Admiral_Chicago> i want a script to run everytime KDE is starts. i have it in the directory, and everything. i just need to set the permissions
[07:50] <tony__> woohoo..thanks guys
[07:50] <beau> np
[07:51] <tony__> cd...i should have remembered that from my dos days!!
[07:51] <Admiral_Chicago> what's the command chmod...
[07:51] <beau> chmod changes file permission
[07:51] <beau> example chmod ugo+wrx fill name
[07:51] <beau> would gve user group owner permission to read write and exeute
[07:52] <beau> or chown really does the same
[07:52] <beau> i think
[07:52] <beau> i just use chmod
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[07:53] <tony__> it looks like it worked...thanks guys...
[07:53] <lascar> !bittorrent
[07:53] <ubotu> bittorrent: Scatter-gather network file transfer. In component main, is optional. Version 3.4.2-6ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 90 kB, installed size 556 kB
[07:53] <beau> no prob tony
[07:53] <lascar> ::bows::
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[08:02] <beau> its gotten quiet
[08:04] <unix_infidel> beau: that just means people are enjoying their OS instead of trying to learn new and awersome l33t compile time flagz0rs
[08:04] <beau> hahaha
[08:04] <beau> true true
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[08:04] <Jucato> lol
[08:04] <Jucato> or they're spending time reading on how to do those awesome l33t compile time flagz0rs
[08:05] <beau> or surfing p-ron
[08:05] <beau> lol
[08:06] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm converting mp3s to .ogg what should be teh bit rate etc
[08:06] <unix_infidel> Admiral_Chicago: depends, how sensitive are your ears.
[08:06] <beau> id stick with orignial
[08:06] <seven11> error on apt-get update
[08:06] <seven11> Err http://au.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/main Packages
[08:06] <seven11>   Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[08:06] <beau> just to be safe
[08:06] <unix_infidel> i know people who dont know the difference b/e properly enocoded 96 and 320
[08:06] <Admiral_Chicago> unix_infidel: not that sensitive. i think i'd like to keep the current encoding
[08:07] <unix_infidel> Admiral_Chicago: i believe there are some conversion scripts out there.
[08:07] <unix_infidel> you just define the proper options.
[08:07] <Admiral_Chicago> basically i would like the oggs to be smaller than the mp3s and same quality
[08:07] <Admiral_Chicago> unix_infidel: soundconvertor is the package
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[08:07] <Admiral_Chicago> so keep the same amount?
[08:08] <unix_infidel> Admiral_Chicago: like i said, can you tell the difference b/w the current bitrate, lower bitrate or VBC?
[08:08] <unix_infidel> erm VBR
[08:08] <Admiral_Chicago> i don't even know what that means...
[08:08] <unix_infidel> variable bit rate.
[08:09] <unix_infidel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_bitrate
[08:09] <Admiral_Chicago> no no i mean i know what it is, just not the difference
[08:09] <unix_infidel> dif b/w CBR and VBR?
[08:10] <Admiral_Chicago> err give me a sec
[08:10] <seven11> anyone a idea about the update error Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[08:10] <beau> what did you type in?
[08:11] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm just going to go with 192 kbps
[08:11] <seven11> sudo apt-get update
[08:12] <beau> wow its working for me.....your trying to use gzip?
[08:12] <beau> or update it?
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[08:13] <seven11> i get Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)      on some packages when i do sudo apt-get update
[08:13] <beau> wow
[08:13] <beau> wht pkg areyou trying to get?
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[08:14] <seven11> just update my package list
[08:14] <burepe> !skype] 
[08:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about skype]  - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:14] <beau> i dont know man its working for me
[08:14] <burepe> !skype
[08:14] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype  -  To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[08:14] <beau> weird
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[08:18] <beau> i wish i could send email on my unix accnt
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[08:19] <jorge__> HOLA
[08:19] <beau> hola
[08:19] <sukka-4-luv> what a kick in the face
[08:19] <jorge__> necesito ayuda urgente de kubuntu
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[08:19] <jorge__> alguien me puede ayudar?
[08:19] <beau> oh man
[08:19] <beau> whats a kick i nthe face?
[08:19] <Admiral_Chicago> !es | jorge__
[08:19] <ubotu> jorge__: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[08:19] <sukka-4-luv> reactos
[08:20] <sukka-4-luv> it works
[08:20] <jorge__> ok gracias
[08:20] <sukka-4-luv> its windoze, yet its not
[08:20] <beau> puke
[08:20] <beau> i totaly dropped windoze
[08:20] <sukka-4-luv> me too
[08:20] <beau> after it locked me out and woldnt take my key
[08:20] <beau> that was on the box
[08:20] <sukka-4-luv> but its a gnu/gpl type of windows
[08:20] <beau> i said pee on it
[08:21] <sukka-4-luv> sssssssssssssssssss
[08:21] <sukka-4-luv> pissin on m$
[08:21] <sukka-4-luv> shake, shake
[08:21] <beau> drip drip
[08:21] <sukka-4-luv> its kinda neet
[08:21] <beau> where you get it from?
[08:22] <sukka-4-luv> reactos.org... alpha only
[08:22] <beau> koo il lgive a look see
[08:22] <sukka-4-luv> linux is still supreem
[08:22] <beau> maybe im trying to send email with my unix accnt and its not orking
[08:22] <beau> yeha linux is the kill
[08:22] <sukka-4-luv> f-unix
[08:22] <sukka-4-luv> go bsd
[08:23] <beau> its a free shell accnt
[08:23] <Jucato> uh oh...
[08:23] <sukka-4-luv> what uh oh
[08:23] <beau> kernel panic?
[08:23] <Jucato> anyone else notified of an xorg update?
[08:23] <sukka-4-luv> yeeowza
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[08:23] <beau> no xorg update
[08:23] <Jucato> xserver-xorg
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[08:23] <sukka-4-luv> negatory
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[08:23] <Jucato> hm...
[08:25] <sukka-4-luv> kde 4 up n runnin
[08:25] <beau> eh question how to use finger command from console?
[08:25] <beau> i cant hit nothing but myself
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[08:26] <sukka-4-luv> for finger to work you need to know a user
[08:26] <beau> im trying to hit a eh place
[08:27] <sukka-4-luv> use whois first
[08:27] <beau> from console?
[08:27] <sukka-4-luv> yup
[08:27] <sukka-4-luv> konsole
[08:27] <beau> bash: whois: command not found
[08:27] <beau> eh o.0
[08:28] <sukka-4-luv> im thinkin old unix commands
[08:28] <sukka-4-luv> sorry
[08:28] <sukka-4-luv> whosi bau
[08:29] <sukka-4-luv> #whois beau
[08:29] <beau> return 0
[08:29] <beau> just gives me a new line
[08:30] <sukka-4-luv> whois google.com
[08:30] <sukka-4-luv> try that
[08:30] <beau> i tried with the # symbol and i get nothing
[08:30] <beau> just a new line
[08:31] <sukka-4-luv> just whosis
[08:31] <beau> maybe i need to be root?
[08:31] <beau> when i try just whois i gt command not found
[08:31] <beau> not as root neither :(
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[08:32] <sukka-4-luv> finger works fine
[08:32] <beau> crap
[08:32] <beau> i suck
[08:33] <sukka-4-luv> suck no, new es
[08:33] <kory> sudo apt-get install whois
[08:33] <sukka-4-luv> yes
[08:33] <sukka-4-luv> no
[08:33] <beau> its going
[08:33] <sukka-4-luv> type this command: whois yahoo.com
[08:33] <beau> sweet i looked for it on adept abnd it didnt show
[08:33] <beau> AWSOME
[08:33] <beau> thanx kory
[08:34] <beau> im rocking now
[08:34] <kory> anytime... used to be in by default... wasn't in Dapper either I think
[08:34] <beau> yah i noticed i had to install finger
[08:34] <beau> whois didnt show up on adept
[08:35] <kory> I wonder if there's a network tools meta package out there
[08:35] <beau> the Konsole is king
[08:35] <sukka-4-luv> damn skippy
[08:35] <sukka-4-luv> im fingering yahoo
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[08:35] <beau> im under the impression of this windows is a lazy mans OS
[08:35] <beau> on linux you have to lean stuff or your screwed
[08:36] <beau> just a thought
[08:36] <kory> well, Windows is made with the lowest common denominator in mind
[08:36] <beau> hahaha
[08:36] <beau> and most MAC ppl are snobs
[08:36] <beau> im on a mac i cant get a virus
[08:36] <sukka-4-luv> if it werent for low class... windoze'd have no class
[08:36] <beau> WTFE
[08:36] <beau> macs geez
[08:36] <sukka-4-luv> hey, i resent that... my mac runs bsd
[08:37] <beau> mine runs OS X
[08:37] <beau> lol
[08:37] <kory> you should check your filters in Adept... I mean, CLI is faster, but whois does show up
[08:37] <sukka-4-luv> yers runs bsd too
[08:37] <beau> ill be dogged its coming
[08:37] <beau> up
[08:38] <sukka-4-luv> i have abolutley no respect for apple
[08:38] <beau> maybe i mistyped earlier
[08:38] <beau> you have an ipod?
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[08:39] <sukka-4-luv> me?
[08:40] <beau> yes
[08:40] <sukka-4-luv> yeah, its defective by design
[08:40] <beau> totaly and it costs more to fix than you pay for it
[08:40] <beau> dont get a zune those things are drab
[08:40] <sukka-4-luv> zune is M$ ware
[08:40] <beau> ill stick to players that want you to use their music service
[08:41] <beau> dint*
[08:41] <beau> dont*
[08:41] <sukka-4-luv> f-that, i got a zen too
[08:41] <beau> i got a philips
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[08:41] <sukka-4-luv> creative supports open-source
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[08:42] <sukka-4-luv> sunset, yer an aussie eh?
[08:43] <sukka-4-luv> gotta love whis
[08:43] <beau> good stuff
[08:44] <sukka-4-luv> good ol unix commands, brings a tear to my eye
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[08:45] <beau> windows commands brings a pain to my stomach
[08:45] <beau> lol
[08:45] <sukka-4-luv> information is power
[08:46] <beau> mitnick is king
[08:46] <beau> was anyway
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[08:47] <sukka-4-luv> lets bring fortran back
[08:47] <beau> oh god not that
[08:47] <beau> i can barely do php
[08:48] <sukka-4-luv> fortran old but still powerful
[08:48] <beau> yes it is i tried to learn it
[08:48] <beau> a long with many others
[08:48] <sukka-4-luv> if u learn fortran, everything else is ez
[08:49] <beau> got that right
[08:49] <sukka-4-luv> well xept pytjon
[08:49] <sukka-4-luv> python
[08:49] <beau> nighmare
[08:49] <beau> i cant wait till my das keyboard shows up
[08:49] <sukka-4-luv> i got this python book, its like 14 inches thick, 3000+ pages
[08:50] <beau> WOW
[08:50] <sukka-4-luv> and im only on page 3
[08:50] <beau> dang
[08:50] <RodimusPrime> ermm in order to play movies in a amd64 what codecs do i need ?
[08:50] <sukka-4-luv> 2997 more to go
[08:50] <RodimusPrime> i can't play my movies
[08:50] <beau> what player you using?
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[08:51] <RodimusPrime> beau, tried kmplayer, and kaffiene
[08:51] <sukka-4-luv> do what i do... vmware to run windoze in linux
[08:51] <RodimusPrime> beau, now trying to install vlc
[08:51] <beau> ok
[08:51] <RodimusPrime> beau, which one works ?
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[08:51] <RodimusPrime> tried downloading the codecs from mplayer.hu but it doesn't work either
[08:51] <beau> i dontdo movies i play one ok and i get the fbi warning and nothing else p;lays no menus or anything
[08:51] <beau> i was using kaffine
[08:52] <sukka-4-luv> i use totem
[08:52] <RodimusPrime> beau, codecs ?
[08:52] <sukka-4-luv> ndiswrapper
[08:52] <beau> dont know about codes mine just works partway
[08:52] <sukka-4-luv> use ndiswrapper... with win32 codecs
[08:53] <beau> your smart sukka
[08:53] <beau> damn guru
[08:53] <sukka-4-luv> who me???
[08:53] <beau> yeah you
[08:53] <sukka-4-luv> nah, im a noob too
[08:53] <RodimusPrime> sukka-4-luv, that will work with amd64 even ?
[08:53] <sukka-4-luv> i just read alot
[08:53] <sukka-4-luv> the answer to that i dont kow
[08:53] <beau> im a n00b too real n00b b4 i got kubuntu i had mandriva
[08:53] <RodimusPrime> sukka-4-luv, just install ndiswrapper ? or do i need to do some stuff
[08:53] <beau> beforethat i had mandrak 10
[08:53] <sukka-4-luv> u go beau
[08:54] <sukka-4-luv> kubuntu rox
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[08:54] <beau> Kubuntu is the bomb
[08:54] <beau> just installed it today
[08:54] <sukka-4-luv> i did this sudo apt-get ndiswrapper and then did a re-config
[08:54] <beau> my official cd arrived
[08:54] <sukka-4-luv> i d/l mine
[08:55] <sukka-4-luv> in 40 mins in bsd
[08:55] <beau> i did that too but i got an I/O error during butn
[08:55] <beau> burn
[08:55] <Byan> anyone have any ideas -> http://rafb.net/paste/results/QnQGdk89.html
[08:55] <sukka-4-luv> 4.21 gigs... and then gnome-toasted it
[08:55] <beau> i got open bsd too but it wouldnt boot from cd :(
[08:56] <sukka-4-luv> i installed freebsd over nfs
[08:56] <sukka-4-luv> str8 to the raid
[08:56] <sukka-4-luv> re-boot... re-stripe
[08:56] <unix_infidel> sukka-4-luv: you've tried the fbsd live cd?
[08:56] <beau> speaking of raid i got 3 HDDS in here and cant access my 3rd the storage drive
[08:56] <sukka-4-luv> took 98 hrs... 2.335 tb of raid 0
[08:57] <beau> 2 TB GAWD!!!!
[08:57] <sukka-4-luv> ultra 3 scsi
[08:57] <sukka-4-luv> yeah, i gotta biiiiiiiiiiiiiiig raid
[08:57] <beau> i guess
[08:57] <sukka-4-luv> 1.92 taken up
[08:57] <beau> oh lord
[08:57] <beau> your.....the internet
[08:58] <unix_infidel> this is a personal raid array?"
[08:58] <sukka-4-luv> im the moovie king
[08:58] <unix_infidel> holy jebus.
[08:58] <sukka-4-luv> yeah
[08:58] <sukka-4-luv> i bought it from my last job
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[08:58] <sukka-4-luv> cheep too
[08:58] <beau> so you got ftp set up
[08:58] <beau> i could use some movies
[08:58] <unix_infidel> sukka-4-luv: how much for the entire setup and racks?
[08:58] <sukka-4-luv> raid is local only
[08:58] <beau> $hit
[08:59] <sukka-4-luv> i think i spent about 3000 for the hdd array... 8u rackmount, mylex controller
[08:59] <beau> dewd im so moving in with you LOL
[08:59] <sukka-4-luv> 22 hdds hot swappable
[08:59] <unix_infidel> wow, that's rediculously cheap.
[08:59] <unix_infidel> you could've made mad profit on it.
[09:00] <sukka-4-luv> yeah, but its mine, all mine
[09:00] <beau> MWWWAAAHAHAHAH
[09:00] <sukka-4-luv> my boss paid something lik 350k on it
[09:01] <sukka-4-luv> gotta lovechapter 13 bankrupsy... plus my boss is also a long-time fam friend
[09:01] <beau> nice
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[09:01] <beau> i need some rack mount going on
[09:01] <sukka-4-luv> i had to buy 3 g4s, and the raid in a complete package
[09:01] <beau> or maybe a 1 TB i nthe ole fullsize tower
[09:02] <sukka-4-luv> dont uss ide... its not worth the headache
[09:02] <beau> rack mount then
[09:02] <sukka-4-luv> i also have 3 sun ultra sparc 1u blades as well
[09:03] <beau> your......the architect
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[09:03] <sukka-4-luv> nah... im waiting on a T3 install from phone company
[09:03] <sukka-4-luv> then were in bidness
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[09:03] <beau> we got those at work....and i trbl shoot em for covad
[09:03] <beau> lol
[09:04] <sukka-4-luv> covad... what a joke
[09:04] <B-Minus> hello
[09:04] <beau> yeah but they pay me good
[09:04] <B-Minus> how can i make my ext3 larger ? i want to cut off some windows space
[09:04] <sukka-4-luv> i work 4 lucent, mebbe u heard of em
[09:04] <B-Minus> is there a graphical tool for that ,
[09:04] <beau> yes there is
[09:04] <B-Minus> o
[09:04] <sukka-4-luv> qt[arteed
[09:04] <beau> i might have sukka im not sure tho
[09:04] <sukka-4-luv> qtparted
[09:04] <beau> lol
[09:05] <B-Minus> tnx
[09:05] <sukka-4-luv> me mom got me the job 10 yrs ago
[09:05] <beau> brb need go juice
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[09:07] <sukka-4-luv> b-minus a word of caution tho... u may dammage the windoze partition
[09:08] <sukka-4-luv> the only reason i have windoze, is o i can pee on it
[09:09] <lotusleaf> what's a leaf to do to install compiz in kubuntu edgy? I don't see a compiz-kde package as listed in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/InstallingCompiz , I asked in #ubuntu-xgl with no response so I'm asking here =)
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[09:09] <B-Minus> well i dont care to damage the windows part :p
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[09:10] <sukka-4-luv> then by all means... kill windoze
[09:10] <sukka-4-luv> click, click... BOOM
[09:11] <B-Minus> damn i cant remove the nfts partition it says its mounted lol
[09:11] <B-Minus> but its not
[09:11] <sukka-4-luv> unmount it
[09:11] <sukka-4-luv> grub automounts all paritions
[09:12] <B-Minus> tommy@tommy-laptop:~/eigenbestanden/bordermaker_25$ sudo umount /dev/hda8
[09:12] <B-Minus> Password:
[09:12] <B-Minus> umount: /: device is busy
[09:12] <B-Minus> umount: /: device is busy
[09:12] <B-Minus> :(
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[09:14] <kory> lotusleaf: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Edgy/XGL
[09:14] <lotusleaf> kory: thanks, is that compiz though of for beryl?
[09:14] <lotusleaf> of=or*
[09:15] <Matthew> I need some help with xine, or maybe the problem lies within kaffeine. I am unable to watch the video from .avi's, although I _can_ hear the audio. I am also able to watch .mpeg's. My problem started when I did a hard restart of my system while watching a movie. I've already reinstalled xine and kaffeine. I don't know what else to do, short of reinstalling the OS. I'm using dapper
[09:15] <kory> yeah, sorry... beryl
[09:15] <lotusleaf> kory: I wanted to try compiz in the ubuntu repos and not beryl, but I appreciate your helpful link, thank you =)
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[09:15] <kory> never got compiz working right from any of the wiki entries... beryl from that link worked perfect
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[09:16] <lotusleaf> kory: ya, and considering the wiki suggests compiz-kde which doesn't even exist in edgy.... ;)
[09:16] <lotusleaf> kory: I guess I will have to try beryl
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[09:17] <kory> only thing I noticed using beryl in KDE... if I ran "beryl-manager" from either the Kmenu or Alt+F2 (run command) it wouldn't work... if I ran it from a terminal it ran fine
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[09:18] <sukka-4-luv>   i get that same error
[09:18] <kory> also, I had to make sure to switch back to Kwin before I shut down beryl, otherwise when it came back up, it wouldn't work
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[09:19] <sukka-4-luv> i got some odd crashes in beryl... im starting to come around to vmware
[09:19] <lotusleaf> kory: thx for the tips :)
[09:20] <lotusleaf> sukka-4-luv: ya, that's why I wanted to check out compiz instead =) Oh well
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[09:20] <sukka-4-luv> but it just dont work in ubuntu... i got a deb file... but the dependencies are all broken
[09:21] <sukka-4-luv> vmware is sometimes a lil pissy too
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[09:23] <beau> hm
[09:23] <Kubo> hi
[09:23] <Matthew> I need some help with xine, or maybe the problem lies within kaffeine. I am unable to watch the video from .avi's, although I _can_ hear the audio. I am also able to watch .mpeg's. My problem started when I did a hard restart of my system while watching a movie. I've already reinstalled xine and kaffeine. I don't know what else to do, short of reinstalling the OS. I'm using dapper.
[09:25] <sukka-4-luv> this python book is makin me all sleepy
[09:25] <Kubo> italiani????
[09:25] <JackPhil> hi, which framebuffer parameter(vga)  is for 1280x800?
[09:25] <kory> Matthew: sounds like you might need the video codecs... AVI is just a wrapper, I usually see divx as video and mp3 as audio...
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[09:26] <Matthew> kory, The problem is that I was able to watch .avi's before the restart.
[09:27] <Matthew> kory, you've just inspired me to un/re install the codecs through automatix...thank you
[09:27] <kory> Matthew: what changed before the restart?
[09:27] <sukka-4-luv> ooooh... lasagne ready, time for the fourthmeal
[09:28] <Matthew> It was a hard restart, I did it because my computer froze up...I was watching a movie and decompressing about 50 files at once...obviously I didn't realise there were going to be so many...oh well. My machine is only a 930 Mhz box w/ 512 RAM...
[09:28] <kory> yeah, Automatix makes it really easy... just a pain when you go to dist-upgrade... third-party apps can cause some problems... as you may have read about when everyone installed Edgy
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[09:29] <sukka-4-luv> i still have flash probs
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[09:29] <sukka-4-luv> cant get ndiswrapper around that either
[09:29] <Matthew> kory, I had the same problem...and I'm pretty happy w/ dapper...no real reason to go to edgy...although I'll get there eventually
[09:30] <sukka-4-luv> im gonna write a python script for it and give it 4 free... linux runnin windoze apps
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[09:30] <kory> I think Edgy is much better... but I installed every new version of KDE to Dapper and it made some things worse...
[09:30] <kory> sukka-4-luv: flash + ndiswrapper?
[09:30] <sukka-4-luv> i put KDE4 on dapper and had a meltdown
[09:30] <Matthew> kory, I'm using KDE 3.5.5
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[09:31] <sukka-4-luv> yeah but i just cant get it to work
[09:31] <kory> yeah, I was up to that on Dapper as well... some things worked better, some things didn't... 3.5.5 in Edgy is much better
[09:31] <sukka-4-luv> and pythons bein a prick
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[09:32] <Matthew> maybe I'll give it a shot when I reinstall...
[09:32] <Matthew> is it more resource hungry?
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[09:32] <kory> shouldn't need ndiswrapper at all... I use the latest flash 9 beta (2?) and it works great... just download the .so file from Adobe and put it into your plugins directory
[09:32] <sukka-4-luv> ried that, didnt work
[09:32] <sukka-4-luv> tried
[09:33] <sukka-4-luv> crashed my system out
[09:33] <kory> you're on Edgy?
[09:33] <sukka-4-luv> kernel panick
[09:33] <sukka-4-luv> yup
[09:33] <Matthew> kory, is Edgy a resource hog?
[09:33] <kory> hmm... crazy... I know the default flash crashed my Firefox... but with 9 beta it worked great...
[09:34] <kory> Matthew: seems to work just as fine or better than Dapper
[09:34] <sukka-4-luv> beta 9 caused firefox to initiate the kernel panick
[09:35] <sukka-4-luv> so i just said f-it... started running vmware
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[09:35] <Matthew> kory, I think I'll give it a shot...gonna d/l it right now
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[09:35] <kory> Matthew: I would do a clean install if you've used things like Automatix
[09:36] <sukka-4-luv> mebbe ill try a top re-compile.... aint exactly legal, but it just might work
[09:36] <Matthew> kory, yeah, that's what I'll do...
[09:36] <sukka-4-luv> gotta love visual c
[09:36] <Matthew> gonna be a bi@tch, though...I've got 80 Gigs worth of media on here...oh well
[09:37] <sukka-4-luv> move it to yer raid
[09:37] <Matthew> kory, is edgy 6.10?
[09:37] <kory> I have a 250GB HDD... just made the root 20Gb (more than enough) and gave /home the rest... so you can do a clean install without losing your home directory
[09:38] <kory> yeah, edgy 6.10
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[09:38] <Matthew> kory, actually, that's what I did too...except made the /home partition on a 200G HDD
[09:38] <Matthew> yay! I won't lose anything!
[09:38] <Matthew> except apps...but that's no big
[09:38] <kory> oh, yeah... so when you install, just format the root partition and make sure to leave /home alone
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[09:39] <Matthew> kory, what's the story with all the different directories on different partitions? how big should each be?
[09:39] <sukka-4-luv> dammitt... it wont de-compile
[09:39] <Matthew> kory, apps from automatix don't get installed in the /home dir, do they?
[09:39] <sukka-4-luv> awww fiddlestix
[09:40] <Matthew> !partitions
[09:40] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted  -  Formatting partitions: see the manual page for mkfs ("man mkfs")  -  Mounting partitions in Gnome: System -> Administration -> Disks
[09:40] <kory> no... shouldn't have more than the log file
[09:40] <Matthew> kory, ok, thanks...gonna go do that now...
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[09:41] <Matthew> kory, well, I actually have to wait for the d/l to finish...
[09:41] <sukka-4-luv> im tryin a de-compile of flash
[09:41] <unix_infidel> decompile flash?
[09:41] <Matthew> sukka-4-luv, good luck w/ that
[09:41] <sukka-4-luv> yup
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[09:41] <unix_infidel> yea, that aint gonna happen.
[09:41] <sukka-4-luv> ill crack it
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[09:41] <Matthew> sukka-4-luv, when you finally do, be sure to send me a copy...lol
[09:41] <kory> Matthew: you should only need to seperate root and home... other directories for different purposes... like if you were running a web server, you might to limit /var
[09:41] <unix_infidel> make sure you upload the exploit to the proper research framework.
[09:42] <Matthew> kory, ah, ok...how big should the /root dir be?
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[09:42] <unix_infidel> i'm sure the community would like to see how you cracked the industry standard in obfuscating content
[09:42] <unix_infidel> LOL
[09:42] <Matthew> kory, I've got a 30 gig master and 200 gig slave
[09:42] <Matthew> kory, the /home is on the 200 gigger
[09:42] <sukka-4-luv> when theres a will... theres a way
[09:42] <kory> hmm... depends on how much you install... I think it takes up at least 3-4Gb... I don't think I've ever had it more than that...
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[09:43] <kory> sounds good... make one drive /root and the other /home... shouldn't have any problems
[09:43] <sukka-4-luv> alls i want is the code
[09:43] <Matthew> kory, so I'd be ok with 5 gigs? or should I make the 30 gig the /root? oops, you answered my question
[09:43] <sukka-4-luv> gimme the code
[09:43] <Matthew> kory, thanks so much for helping me out. I really appreciate it
[09:43] <unix_infidel> sukka-4-luv: what are you trying to hack again?
[09:43] <unix_infidel> what flash content
[09:43] <sukka-4-luv> flash
[09:43] <kory> no prob
[09:43] <unix_infidel> erm object
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[09:44] <sukka-4-luv> i did it once... ill be darned if i dont do it again
[09:44] <unix_infidel> paste the url to the object.
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[09:45] <sukka-4-luv> ive busted the windows so called kernel wide open
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[09:45] <sukka-4-luv> so flash should pose no real problem
[09:45] <sukka-4-luv> the trick is remembering how i did it
[09:46] <sukka-4-luv> curse you mother nature... im suffering from a serious case of CRS
[09:46] <Matthew> sukka-4-luv, see anything interesting in the windows kernel? I know that there is some BSD code for some of the network functions...
[09:46] <Matthew> like ping
[09:46] <RamiKassab> hey guys I just installed kubuntu on an HP ZT3000 with an ATI video card and it the resolution was fine the first time Kubuntu loaded but when I came to reboot, everything was messed up and I couldn't even us the comp cause I couldn't see anything on the screen. I found a how-to on setting the gfx card up on the laptop at http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide and followed it to install xorg-driver-fglrx but
[09:46] <RamiKassab>  now when the laptop boots up I see a bunch of random colors, lines, and shades, is there a way I can, during the bootup process, tell Kubuntu not to load X so I can get to a command prompt and try to fix the issue? If so, how. Any help is much appreciated. Thank you!
[09:47] <Matthew> RamiKassab, hit ctrl+alt+F1 to get to a CLI
[09:47] <sukka-4-luv> i should post the code for windows on a website
[09:47] <unix_infidel> sukka-4-luv: just make sure you make it public :)
[09:47] <RamiKassab> Matthew: forgot to mention that when I do that nothing happends
[09:47] <RamiKassab> Matthew: it won't load any of the TTY consoles for m
[09:47] <RamiKassab> me
[09:48] <sukka-4-luv> put it on M$ website
[09:48] <RamiKassab> is there a way to tell X not to load through Grub?
[09:48] <sukka-4-luv> thatll get some attnion
[09:48] <Matthew> RamiKassab, hmmm, I'm out of my league already...sorry. you might try using a liveCD to change settings.
[09:48] <sukka-4-luv> attention
[09:49] <johey> When updating the latest patches using Adept, I get a lot of messages like "Incorrect nice value. Please enter an integer value between -20 and 19." What is this all about?
[09:49] <sukka-4-luv> it looks a lot like old basic programming... call_sub this, cal line that
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[09:49] <sukka-4-luv> no wonder M$ products are so vulnerable
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[09:50] <Matthew> Just because Vista is the most secure version of windows doesn't make it secure.
[09:51] <unix_infidel> sukka-4-luv: by all means put the kernel code up, see what happens.
[09:51] <sukka-4-luv> win32 goes down
[09:51] <Matthew> sukka-4-luv, I think it's against the EULA of Windows to decompile the kernel....
[09:51] <Matthew> just a heads-up
[09:51] <unix_infidel> doubtful, the entire OS is built around an arcane kernel.
[09:51] <sukka-4-luv> im lookin at the code now
[09:51] <unix_infidel> its the environment code that counts.
[09:52] <Matthew> unix_infidel, what do you mean?
[09:52] <sukka-4-luv> but im notrunnin windoze... so eula aint apt
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[09:52] <Matthew> sukka-4-luv, oh, that makes sense, I guess
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[09:52] <unix_infidel> Matthew: i mean i the linux kernel werent GPL, how much work do you think could get done.
[09:52] <sukka-4-luv> i feel its my right to see what it looks like
[09:52] <Matthew> unix_infidel, that's very true
[09:53] <unix_infidel> but say, just today, sukka-4-luv posted the closed source of the linux kernel, how much do you think the community could get done without the rest of the code.
[09:53] <sukka-4-luv> not much
[09:53] <unix_infidel> assuming all the apps associated with a distribution were closed as well.
[09:53] <Matthew> sukka-4-luv, why do you feel that it's your right? You didn't _pay_ for it. (I really don't care, just playing devils advocate)
[09:53] <sukka-4-luv> im only lookin at the kernel
[09:53] <unix_infidel> plus, flash development is a LOT more specialized.
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[09:54] <sukka-4-luv> and i did pay for it... it came with my computer
[09:54] <unix_infidel> as2 is a whole different monster, you cant "crack" it per se.
[09:54] <Matthew> unix_infidel, ok, I'm starting to see where you're coming from...it's a happy place, where everything is FAOS
[09:54] <unix_infidel> only get fragments here and fragments there that you try to link together.
[09:54] <sukka-4-luv> if i buy it... i feel its my right to inspect it
[09:54] <naddar> hi all
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[09:54] <sukka-4-luv> theres more to windoze than just the kernel
[09:54] <unix_infidel> content managing flash is easy to crack.
[09:55] <unix_infidel> your just trying to find the source content.
[09:55] <Matthew> sukka-4-luv, you know, Dell and some other computer companies will give you a rebate/discount if you don't use Windows...I remember reading about it on digg.com
[09:55] <sukka-4-luv> nope, i change my assertation
[09:55] <naddar> Matthew: thanks for the info :) diddent know that
[09:55] <sukka-4-luv> flash is posing more trouble than its worth
[09:55] <sukka-4-luv> at least for now...
[09:56] <Matthew> naddar, be prepared for a battle, cause you have to start out with *gasp* customer support techs
[09:56] <unix_infidel> sukka-4-luv: like i said.  if you ever "crack it" let me know :P
[09:56] <unix_infidel> LOL
[09:56] <Matthew> who don't know what linux is.
[09:56] <sukka-4-luv> linux is whats gonna kick M$ trash to the curb
[09:57] <sukka-4-luv> support open standards
[09:57] <Matthew> sukka-4-luv, already has, MS is just a dead-man-walking...as it were
[09:57] <naddar> GASP ??????
[09:57] <sukka-4-luv> amen brotha
[09:57] <Matthew> naddar, oh yes, gassp
[09:57] <noiesmo> Matthew, http://www.netcraft.com.au/geoffrey/
[09:57] <noiesmo> Matthew, money back on win xp
[09:57] <Matthew> noiesmo, thanks for the direct link...checking it out now...
[09:57] <sukka-4-luv> gates owes me big time, and to think im from Redmond
[09:58] <Matthew> noiesmo, is that the guy from australia?
[09:58] <noiesmo> Matthew, pretty sure
[09:58] <Matthew> yep, already read it...although, thanks for the link...
[09:58] <sukka-4-luv> windows=dos dos=crappy busted down unix shell
[09:58] <Matthew> noiesmo, oh, and I figured out that I can play .mpeg's, just not .avi's...bummer, huh?
[09:59] <noiesmo> Matthew, bummer to the max
[09:59] <sukka-4-luv> i ferget how i got avi to play in totem
[09:59] <naddar> Matthew: why i have to prepar, my work give me all the ms os free :) with license so fuck them :)
[10:00] <Matthew> noiesmo, gonna install edgy over dapper, but it's cool, cause I've got my /home on a different drive
[10:00] <sukka-4-luv> gates can sit on my middle finger and rotate
[10:00] <naddar> Matthew: i have them all original
[10:00] <Matthew> !etiquette | naddar
[10:00] <ubotu> naddar: Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam, !AskTheBot - and most importantly, use common sense :-)
[10:00] <Matthew> !language
[10:00] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:00] <noiesmo> Matthew, sweet
[10:00] <Matthew> noiesmo, yeah, I really lucked out...
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[10:01] <naddar> sorry :)
[10:01] <Matthew> noiesmo, so, where you from? I'm in USA, California, Humboldt County, Fortuna.
[10:01] <sukka-4-luv> enuf M$ bashin
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[10:01] <sukka-4-luv> im sorry all... M$ just really angers me
[10:01] <noiesmo> Matthew, it's odd thing to happen with you avi playback. I'm brisbane australia
[10:01] <Matthew> addressed to everyone: here is a direct link to the money back for windows thing: http://www.netcraft.com.au/geoffrey/toshiba.html
[10:02] <Matthew> noiesmo, yeah, but I figure, hey, why not upgrade to edgy anyway, you know?
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[10:02] <sukka-4-luv> so yer sayin i can get toshiba to refund the price of win-xp to me... sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
[10:02] <naddar> anyone know a good server to add in my sources.list to install mplayer?
[10:03] <noiesmo> Matthew, Yeah I did about a month ago, got everything sorted again after upgrade so its all good
[10:04] <Matthew> sukka-4-luv, maybe, this guy was getting a refund for Win98...they may have changed the EULA...
[10:04] <sukka-4-luv> thats lik 100 bux in my pocket
[10:04] <Matthew> whoops...Win95
[10:04] <sukka-4-luv> fiddlestix
[10:04] <noiesmo> naddar, you need to enable multiverse repos
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[10:04] <sukka-4-luv> well i did open the cd... used it as a coaster
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[10:05] <noiesmo> naddar, add multiverse and universe to all your uncommented sources in your sources.list
[10:05] <sukka-4-luv> dont wanna mark up my nice $5 table
[10:05] <noiesmo> naddar, do apt-get update and then you should be able to apt-get install mplayer
[10:05] <naddar> noiesmo: thanks i check once :)
[10:05] <naddar> thanks again
[10:05] <sukka-4-luv> ahh here i go again...
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[10:06] <sukka-4-luv> at least gates is a philantopist... to a degree
[10:08] <sukka-4-luv> well im all sleepy now... catch ya laterz folx
[10:09] <kory> a more recent story on Windows Refund: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2006/110706-dell-windows.html?t5
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[10:11] <Matthew> kory, very nice.
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[10:13] <Matthew> yay! 34 seconds until Edgy is completly downloaded...have fun everybody...good night!
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[10:15] <naddar> anyone knows program for movie database? So i can enter all my movies ?
[10:15] <naddar> web based or ...
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[10:16] <lotusleaf> !tellico
[10:16] <ubotu> tellico: collection manager for books, videos, music. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.2-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 782 kB, installed size 2264 kB
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[10:18] <lotusleaf> naddar: there's one option
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[10:20] <naddar> lotusleaf:  thanks works fine :)
[10:21] <lotusleaf> naddar: yw =)
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[10:29] <Mozzi> hallo
[10:29] <naddar> Mozzi: hallo :)
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[10:30] <linopil> in /usr/bin want to make a link called cmd ;-) (to be invoked from alt F2) pointing to konsoleit would be ln -s ...what ?pls help
[10:31] <josef> guys does anyone knows how to install firefox 2.0 packed in extention tar.gz
[10:31] <rm> Hi. Sorry to gurmble, but it's a pity the audio quality is not very good on the videos from akademy06.
[10:31] <lotusleaf> josef: are you using dapper?
[10:31] <linopil>  o/  what country is .za
[10:31] <Jucato> rm: wrong channel? :)
[10:31] <lotusleaf> josef: there are easy instructions on building mozilla on mozilla's site if that's what you're looking for
[10:31] <josef> lotusleaf  yes i use dapper
[10:31] <Jucato> linopil: my guess is "Zaire"
[10:32] <lotusleaf> josef: ah, I thought so. Have you thought of using edgy? :)
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[10:32] <linopil> or fake ?
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[10:32] <lotusleaf> josef: compiling firefox yourself is fun, but can be tricky if you're new to building from source, are you new to this?
[10:32] <linopil> in /usr/bin want to make a link called cmd ;-) (to be invoked from alt F2) pointing to konsole it would be ln -s ...what ?pls help
[10:32] <josef> lotusleaf edgy ??? is it a new version of kubuntu..
[10:33] <josef> lotusleaf yes i am new
[10:33] <lotusleaf> josef: yes
[10:33] <lotusleaf> josef: if you use Edgy you get firefox 2 without compiling
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[10:33] <lotusleaf> josef: kubuntu.org for details
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[10:33] <Jucato> linopil: "sudo ln -s /usr/bin/konsole /usr/bin/cmd" I think
[10:33] <dsb> hi
[10:34] <josef> lotusleaf ok i will  check out  thanks lotus for the info
[10:34] <linopil> Jucato, tyvm will try now
[10:34] <lotusleaf> josef: yw
[10:34] <dsb> why is my kubuntu only showing up at 640x480 after a restart when it was working fine at higher resolutions?
[10:35] <Mozzi> dsb: check your xorg.conf file
[10:36] <linopil> OK ty Jucato,  was simple enough you can imagine how useful it is when jumping from one machine to another
[10:36] <Jucato> :P
[10:36] <dsb> Mozzi, I did and and I can't find the original one that had the good resolutions. So apparently the KDE application wrote over it 5 times
[10:36] <Mozzi> you using nvidia?
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[10:36] <dsb> old ati radeon
[10:37] <Mozzi> sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:37] <linopil> in the Ballmer -  Gates world you know :P
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[10:40] <kraut> moin
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[10:42] <RoKFiT> is anyone here?
[10:43] <lotusleaf> *tumbleweed*
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[10:43] <RoKFiT> lol
[10:44] <RoKFiT> do you know how to change the background of my login screen during bootup
[10:44] <RoKFiT> i think it's my login screen
[10:44] <Jucato> RoKFiT: depends on your KDM theme, or whether you are even using a KDM Theme
[10:45] <RoKFiT> i have everything set to auto-login, and no login manager
[10:45] <RoKFiT> Jucato: can you instruct me on how to do it?
[10:45] <RoKFiT> how do i tell if i'm using a kdm theme
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[10:45] <RoKFiT> it's just standard kubuntu with auto-login and no login manager
[10:45] <Jucato> you mean you don't see the login box anymore?
[10:45] <RoKFiT> no
[10:45] <klerfayt> how to rewrite master boot record?
[10:45] <Jucato> it just jumps to the splash screen then?
[10:46] <RoKFiT> not even that, just blue
[10:46] <RoKFiT> light navy blue
[10:46] <RoKFiT> than to my desktop
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[10:46] <linopil> klerfayt, rewrite with what
[10:47] <linopil> grubinstall ?
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[10:47] <Jucato> hm.. no splash screen? weird. anyway, then yours is a bit simpler.
[10:47] <Admiral_Chicago> naddar: multivrse
[10:47] <RoKFiT> is there still a method to make it black?
[10:47] <Jucato> System Settings -> Advanced -> Login Manager -> background tab (click on Administrative mode first)
[10:47] <Admiral_Chicago> err nevermind
[10:47] <Admiral_Chicago> that was way late
[10:48] <linopil> ubuntu is getting better every day
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[10:48] <RoKFiT> Jucato I have done this before and it didn't fix it
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[10:49] <Jucato> hi Admiral_Chicago
[10:49] <RoKFiT> try again?
[10:49] <Admiral_Chicago> up to anything new Jucato?
[10:49] <klerfayt> linopil: it got rewrittten with feisty; I want to rewrite with edgy
[10:49] <Jucato> RoKFiT: I don't understand why it wouldn't work if, as you said, you only see the navy blue screen when logging in (no splash screen)
[10:50] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: yeah. Ulteo hehe
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[10:50] <Admiral_Chicago> what is that
[10:50] <linopil> you are playing with feisty already ?
[10:50] <RoKFiT> odd
[10:50] <RoKFiT> i added a panel at the bottom of my screen that won't resize, what can i do?
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[10:51] <klerfayt> linopil: I installed feisty today on separate partition; any idea how to rewrite grub as if edgy was installed most recently?
[10:51] <Jucato> RoKFiT: why won't it resize
[10:51] <RoKFiT> i don't know
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[10:52] <Jucato> er.. sorry
[10:52] <Jucato> I mean, how is it not resizing? are you choosing the correct panel in the drop down list?
[10:52] <RoKFiT> will reboot fix it?
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[10:52] <RoKFiT> yes i am
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[10:52] <RoKFiT> maybe refresh desktop, holdon
[10:53] <Jucato> no
[10:53] <klerfayt> RoKFiT: I can reproduce this bug
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[10:53] <Jucato> klerfayt: what boug? can you please be more specific?
[10:53] <RoKFiT> yeah, its on 1%, and Expand as required to fit contents
[10:54] <klerfayt> Jucato: right-click on panel and select to add panel
[10:54] <RoKFiT> klerfayt: is there a fix
[10:54] <klerfayt> RoKFiT: no idea
[10:54] <Jucato> then?
[10:54] <Jucato> RoKFiT: don't reboot yet
[10:54] <klerfayt> Jucato: then right click on new panel and select properties
[10:54] <Jucato> ah that one
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[10:54] <Jucato> yes it's a bug, and yes, there's a "fix"
[10:54] <Jucato> "dcop kicker kicker restart"
[10:55] <RoKFiT> in terminal?
[10:55] <klerfayt> RoKFiT: yes
[10:55] <Jucato> Alt+F2 or where ver
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[10:56] <klerfayt> RoKFiT: without ""
[10:56] <RoKFiT> it worked, can i make windows draw and size behind it?
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[10:58] <Seveas> imbrandon, prod
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[10:58] <klerfayt> RoKFiT: you mean make it transparent?
[10:59] <RoKFiT> no, i mean make applications use the entire screen and maximize behind it
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[10:59] <paolo> Hi; i need to create a dynamic dissolvence effect on an image... which is the right command? thnks
[11:00] <klerfayt> RoKFiT: I guess so
[11:00] <RoKFiT> do you know how
[11:00] <klerfayt> RoKFiT: like you do it to main panel?
[11:00] <RoKFiT> i don't do it to main panel
[11:00] <RoKFiT> oh wait, it auto does it
[11:00] <RoKFiT> nevermind
[11:01] <RoKFiT> :)
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[11:01] <Matthew> RoKFiT, please try to say all that you want to say on one line; that way you don't fill up the channel with spam
[11:01] <lotusleaf> captain_ on the bridge
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[11:06] <devinus> what was the latest security updates for?
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[11:13] <drakeoutlaw> i am considering switching from gnome to kde. any caviats?
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[11:14] <Matthew> drakeoutlaw, I love the KDE gui so much more than the GNOME gui...it seems much more intuitive and it definetly looks nicer (at least to me)
[11:15] <drakeoutlaw> any problems with wifi. I use ipw2200 with wpa
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[11:18] <drakeoutlaw> Matthew: any problems with wifi? I use ipw2200 with wpa
[11:18] <Matthew> nope, mine worked right out of the box...let me check the card...
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[11:19] <drakeoutlaw> what about playin wma, mp3 files
[11:20] <Matthew> RaLink Ralink RT2500 802.11 Cardbus Reference Card (rev 01)
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[11:21] <klerfayt> ok I did overwrite grub successfully, but "grub-install /dev/sda" did not include feisty entries - is there a command that will search for other operating systems on harddrive and update grub accordingly?
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[11:29] <RoKFiT> does anyone not use a taskbar?
[11:29] <RoKFiT> or find it inconvenient not using one?
[11:29] <Jucato> I use one, but hide it when not in use
[11:31] <RoKFiT> do you make it an extra panel?
[11:31] <Matthew> I'm good doing wma and mp3 files as well
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[11:31] <RoKFiT> or the main panel
[11:31] <Jucato> RoKFiT: extra
[11:31] <Matthew> drakeoutlaw, just in case you were still wondering ^
[11:31] <Jucato> well, last week it was in the main panel, because I was too lazy to put it in an extra
[11:31] <RoKFiT> you can't draw windows behind the main panel?
[11:31] <Jucato> but my system tray is getting crowded
[11:32] <drakeoutlaw> Matthew: thanx
[11:32] <Jucato> I can drag
[11:32] <Jucato> behind the main panel
[11:32] <Matthew> drakeoutlaw, are you ok with playing those formats?
[11:32] <RoKFiT> draw?
[11:32] <RoKFiT> i can't move a window behind the main panel
[11:32] <RoKFiT> or have it maximize behind it
[11:33] <Jucato> you can't maximize behind it.
[11:33] <RoKFiT> no
[11:33] <drakeoutlaw> Matthew: I want to be able to see youtube videos. most downloadable videos seem to be in wma
[11:33] <RoKFiT> or move a window behind it
[11:34] <drakeoutlaw> plus mp3 is needed to make mp3 cd for my car stereo
[11:34] <RoKFiT> jucato is there a fix?
[11:34] <Matthew> drakeoutlaw, youtube uses flash to stream the vids...
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[11:35] <Matthew> drakeoutlaw, for mp3 playback, sudo apt-get install mpg123
[11:35] <Matthew> drakeoutlaw, not sure about wma...but you may want to download the Flash 9 Beta2 from Adobe.com
[11:35] <Jucato> Matthew: mp3 playback where?
[11:35] <drakeoutlaw> so installed flash plug-in will continue to play as before
[11:35] <Matthew> drakeoutlaw, there are many guides online
[11:35] <Jucato> RoKFiT: I wouldn't know because I don't have that problem here...
[11:36] <Jucato> mp3 and aac support is handled by "libxine-extracodecs" in multiverse
[11:36] <Jucato> wma/wmv is handled by w32codecs (manual download)
[11:36] <drakeoutlaw> Will automatix work in kubuntu
[11:36] <Matthew> Jucato, thanks...I mostly install stuff through automatix,so I don't really have a firm grasp of what goes where
[11:36] <Matthew> drakeoutlaw, yes, it will
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[11:37] <drakeoutlaw> What about bluetooth?
[11:38] <Matthew> drakeoutlaw, I think that bluetooth connectivity is included w/ kubuntu...I don't know, since I don't have a BT capable MoBo...
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[11:38] <Matthew> drakeoutlaw, but I do see an option for it in system settings
[11:38] <Matthew> Kmenu -> System Settings
[11:38] <ZeuGiRDoR> hello everyone
[11:39] <drakeoutlaw> i use a $10 Bluetooth usb
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[11:39] <Jucato> bluetooth works fine here (kbluetooth installed)
[11:40] <Matthew> drakeoutlaw, does that answer your question?
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[11:40] <Matthew> man, it's like 3 in the morning here...I need to sleep soon...
[11:40] <drakeoutlaw> Matthew: you bet. looks like its good to go
[11:41] <Matthew> drakeoutlaw, very cool.
[11:41] <Matthew> drakeoutlaw, remember, when you become a veteran (or even just not a beginner), remember to come back here every now and again to help out...
[11:42] <drakeoutlaw> Thanks all for your help
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[11:42] <Matthew> drakeoutlaw, no problem
[11:43] <RoKFiT> why can't i only enable transparency for one panel?
[11:44] <ZeuGiRDoR> i need an id3 tag editor for kde, somebody can help me? i want to replace easytag
[11:44] <Matthew> ZeuGiRDoR, try installing synaptic if you haven't already and searching for id3
[11:44] <abattoir> !info kid3
[11:44] <ubotu> kid3: KDE MP3 ID3 tag editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 226 kB, installed size 800 kB
[11:44] <abattoir> ZeuGiRDoR: ^^^
[11:45] <ZeuGiRDoR> ubotu: but kid3 can't rename files, isn't it?
[11:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about but kid3 can't rename files, isn't it? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:46] <RoKFiT> is it possible to only make one panel transparent?
[11:46] <RoKFiT> or a specific panel transparent
[11:46] <Jucato> RoKFiT: no
[11:46] <Jucato> ZeuGiRDoR: ubotu is a bot
[11:46] <RoKFiT> that would be a good feature
[11:46] <ZeuGiRDoR> ok ok
[11:47] <ZeuGiRDoR> i don't know
[11:47] <Jucato> :)
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[11:47] <ZeuGiRDoR> jeje
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[11:50] <Matthew> Thanks for the company everyone, but I've got to install edgy before I go to bed...
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[11:50] <eilker> !torrent
[11:50] <ubotu> Torrent clients: Azureus (Java), BitTornado (Shell with python front-end), KTorrent (KDE/Qt)  -  Bittorent FAQ: http://www.bittorrent.com/FAQ.html
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[11:50] <eilker> !Azureus
[11:50] <ubotu> azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AzureusHowTo
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[11:51] <jasin> hi
[11:51] <RoKFiT> hallo!
[11:52] <RoKFiT> jk
[11:52] <jasin> :)
[11:52] <unix_infidel> what's the macro for copy paste in screen again?
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[11:54] <unix_infidel> nvm.
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[11:54] <unix_infidel> ctrl+a+[
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[11:55] <jasin> isn't it shift+insert?
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[12:10] <tamer> Hi people!
[12:10] <tamer> I think my ubuntu version somehow is damaged....
[12:10] <tamer> Can somebody help me?!
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[12:11] <tamer> Every time i start "adept" I receive the message: "The Database is locked Adept is running in READ ONLY mode"
[12:12] <Jucato> tamer: try running this command in Konsole: "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
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[12:13] <tamer> okay
[12:13] <ROBOd> hello guys
[12:13] <ROBOd> there are some updates for KDE
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[12:13] <ROBOd> and the deb files are not found
[12:13] <tamer> YOU ARE A HERO Jucato!!!!
[12:13] <tamer> thank you
[12:13] <jasin> hi
[12:14] <jasin> there are new kernel verson's out too
[12:14] <tamer> Jucato: YOu ARE A SUPER HERO... thank you very much. I thought my system is damaged and I have to reinstall everything again. God thanks!
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[12:14] <Jucato> tamer: heheh you're welcome :)
[12:14] <jasin> version*
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[12:15] <eloquence_> mew
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[12:17] <jasin> dont have permission? you need to be root to burn cd's?
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[12:18] <chx> how could I tell apt that I have installed a package which replaces another? I have xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting instead of xserver-xorg-video-i810 and automatic updating is problematic.
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[12:28] <avalon> Anyone know cobol
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[12:37] <Degenerate> Greetings all
[12:39] <Degenerate> Seems rather quiet for a channel with so many users
[12:39] <B-Minus> yes
[12:40] <Degenerate> I'm looking for advice from helpful geeks...
[12:41] <Degenerate> perhaps a bit specialised for the general channel, but maybe someone can point me in the right direction.
[12:41] <wildcat_19> anyone know how to get sound in kaffeine on flv files?
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[12:42] <easytiger> does nayone use katapult? it works, but it can take a while after you start typing for the program to show up
[12:43] <Degenerate> any expert on the filesystem hierarchy that can advise me on setting up two systems that mostly share the same configuration via NFS?
[12:43] <wildcat_19> anyone else having trouble with flv files in kaffeine?
[12:44] <Degenerate> wildcat, I'm surprised it plays them at all, being a proprietry format
[12:44] <wildcat_19> it plays video, but no sound
[12:45] <wildcat_19> u know a converter?
[12:45] <easytiger> Degenerate: you could have your home directory on NFS
[12:45] <Degenerate> I'm guessing it uses gnash (the free flash alternative), which is coming along but not fully functional yet
[12:45] <easytiger> but not a great idea if your going to use it with two linux installs
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[12:46] <Degenerate> easytiger: I figured out sharing /home already. What I'm looking to do is share as much of the install as poosible, just leaving the minimal configuration files necessary for the different hardware.
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[12:47] <wildcat_19> u know a batch converter for flash files?
[12:48] <easytiger> Degenerate: i'm sure it's possible, but i dunno it would require a lot of hacking
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[12:50] <Degenerate> easytiger: Yeah, I know it's pretty advanced stuff. Ive been studying the filesystem hierarchy standard a bit. It is supposed to allow this sort of thing, thats's part of the reason for the wierd layout. It separates sharable from non-sharable and variable from fixed data.
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[12:50] <Degenerate> You're supposed to be able to share /bin for example
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[12:52] <Degenerate> Another approach would be to not actually share the directories but just rsync one from the other. I'm not sure of the pros/cons of either approach.
[12:52] <Degenerate> I just don't want to be updating/customising two systems. One acts as backup for the other.
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[01:07] <sergio__> :)
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[01:12] <Piotsze> hi
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[01:13] <No1Viking> Guys.... How do I do to get some kind of filemanager to work with sudo ?
[01:13] <Jucato> "kdesu konqueror"
[01:14] <No1Viking> Jucato, thanks
[01:14] <Piotsze> i have just upgraded my kubuntu 6.06 to 6.10 and there are couple of problems (sorry for my english)
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[01:15] <linopil> kdesu Jucato ? good to know
[01:15] <Jucato> !kdesu
[01:15] <ubotu> In KDE, use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[01:15] <Piotsze> firts of all there is NO monitor icon in "system settings", second: there is an icon of "adept-updater" but updates do not install themself
[01:17] <Piotsze> anyone know how to fix that ?
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[01:19] <linopil> hi arieler212
[01:19] <linopil>   
[01:20] <linopil> apokryphos, stay in ubuntu-gr as well ;)
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[01:36] <llutz> moin
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[01:38] <lupul> hi there. does anyone know some more addresses for quake 2 torrents?
[01:38] <linopil> why not google it lupul
[01:38] <lupul> i tried
[01:39] <Piotsze> torrent search engine
[01:39] <lupul> but i did;n find anything
[01:39] <lupul> just the one that im using now
[01:39] <lupul> but it stopped
[01:39] <easytiger> is kcheckgmail not working?
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[01:39] <gnomefreak> easytiger: on some peoples its not
[01:40] <easytiger> gnomefreak: any reasons?
[01:40] <gnomefreak> easytiger: i dont remember off hand ther eis a bug on it
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[01:40] <lupul> why don't you use kmail?
[01:40] <easytiger> gnomefreak: no worries.
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[01:42] <easytiger> lupul: i just got usedto it being web based
[01:42] <linopil> lupul what about amule ? tried that ?
[01:42] <lupul> no i didn't
[01:42] <easytiger> amule crashes when you close all the search tabs
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[01:42] <lupul> first i have to find out how to use it
[01:42] <lupul> :D
[01:42] <linopil> easy lupul ha
[01:42] <easytiger> it is gnerally reccomended to use emaule
[01:43] <linopil> emaule ?
[01:43] <easytiger> *emule
[01:43] <lupul> amule
[01:43] <lupul> k
[01:43] <lupul> thanks
[01:43] <kakalto> when I try to log in, kubuntu rejects and sends me back to the login screen, with no error
[01:43] <lupul> i'll try it
[01:43] <kakalto> any ideas how to fix?
[01:43] <easytiger> kakalto: can you log in from a termianl
[01:43] <kakalto> easytiger: yeah...... but I want to fix it.
[01:43] <kakalto> not just log in
[01:43] <linopil> IOW kakalto chek password
[01:44] <linopil> and languase too
[01:44] <sungam_> kakalto, what do you mean kubuntu rejects you?
[01:44] <linopil> and capslock kakalto
[01:44] <kakalto> linopil: No error. NOT password_!
[01:44] <easytiger> are you search X isnt crashing when you log in?
[01:44] <kakalto> ffs
[01:44] <easytiger> */r/search/sure
[01:44] <kakalto> sungam_: it simply sends me back to the log in screen.
[01:44] <kakalto> I can log in from console fine
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[01:44] <sungam_> kakalto, but you get X up?
[01:44] <cristiano> hi guys i need urgently help!!
[01:44] <easytiger> kakalto: is X crashing
[01:45] <kakalto> easytiger: doubt it
[01:45] <kakalto> sungam_: yes, X is up
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[01:45] <kakalto> kdm is fine
[01:45] <kakalto> I can run failsafe
[01:45] <cristiano> i installed ATI Drivers following ubuntuguide but it says now "
[01:45] <cristiano> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[01:45] <cristiano> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[01:45] <cristiano> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual!
[01:45] <sungam_> kakalto, then easytiger 's right :)
[01:45] <linopil> maybe use backup of /etc/X11/xorg.conf  kakalto
[01:45] <cristiano> pls help me!!!!
[01:45] <easytiger> can you log into gnome/fluxbox ok?
[01:45] <Piotsze> ok so there is no Display Configuration in System Settings after upgrade to Kubuntu 6.10
[01:45] <linopil> !paste
[01:45] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:45] <kakalto> linopil: I haven't edited xorg.conf
[01:45] <sungam_> kakalto, try creating a new user, and see if he can log in fine
[01:46] <easytiger> yea might be a profile issue
[01:46] <sungam_> kakalto, if it's that then it's most likely the config files connected to your user
[01:46] <cristiano> linopil i know sry but i'm nervous! i've bought this ATI radeon 9600 and it looks not to work even if i followed the ubuntuguide!!!
[01:46] <easytiger> cristiano: shouldnt have bought that
[01:46] <kakalto> in my /var/log/Xorg.0.log, there's a bunch of errors to do with wacom..
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[01:46] <kakalto> think it's to do with that?
[01:46] <easytiger> network?
[01:47] <linopil> wacom is a pen to be used like mouse kakalto
[01:47] <kakalto> easytiger: me? wacom is tablet stuff, not network..
[01:47] <kakalto> linopil: I know that, thank you
[01:47] <cristiano> easytiger: mmmmm however why it doesnt load glx????
[01:48] <linopil> cristiano, patience
[01:48] <sungam_> kakalto, do you have a tablet pc?
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[01:48] <Jucato> !baddevice
[01:48] <ubotu> If you are getting errors similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", then please read this page: http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=579.0
[01:48] <kakalto> sungam_: no. I've noticed that k/ubuntu automatically puts wacom crap into every xorg.conf, and I seem to be the only one who's ever had issues with it
[01:48] <cristiano> ok linopil i'll try to calm down but it's so bad when u buy something and seems not to work
[01:49] <easytiger> cristiano: i dunno.. but i know i know its dumb to by ati when you want to use it with linux :p
[01:49] <sungam_> kakalto, do what jucato suggested :)
[01:49] <linopil> cristiano, blame it on ubuntu this time. not on shop or yourself
[01:49] <Jucato> heh I did not suggest that :)
[01:49] <Jucato> it was the bot :P
[01:49] <JackPhil> does a resolution for usplash with 16:9 screen?
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[01:49] <kakalto> sungam_: okie, trying that now..
[01:49] <easytiger> i get those device errors too.. but they seem harmless
[01:50] <linopil> linux still has its hardware issues. many of them for video and peripherals
[01:51] <cristiano> linopil but as i look on the ubuntu wiki guide it looks many people use it,it's weird i am not able :(
[01:51] <JackPhil> 16:10
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[01:52] <kakalto> what's the proper method for removing a user account?
[01:52] <kakalto> rmuser?
[01:52] <kakalto> userrm?
[01:52] <kakalto> userdel?
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[01:53] <Jucato> (System Settings -> User Management)
[01:54] <linopil> what is the analogous of dxdiag(windowz) in ubuntu ?
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[02:10] <kakalto> okay, kubuntu officially just shat itself.
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[02:17] <B-Minus_> how is the program called that looks like an apple launch bar ?
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[02:18] <kakalto> B-Minus_: trademark?
[02:18] <B-Minus_> huh
[02:18] <B-Minus_> no
[02:18] <B-Minus_> its a launchbar
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[02:18] <B-Minus_> but it zooms in etc
[02:18] <B-Minus_> like apple
[02:18] <kakalto> yeah
[02:18] <B-Minus_> how is it called
[02:18] <kakalto> they always have funny names for stuff under linux =)
[02:19] <kakalto> how is it called?
[02:19] <anderson> I have problem nvidia driver!! Help me
[02:19] <B-Minus_> i dont know
[02:19] <B-Minus_> lol
[02:19] <kakalto> anderson: what kind of problem?
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[02:20] <anderson> no load X
[02:20] <kakalto> !nvidia
[02:20] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:20] <kakalto> did you follow the guide correctly?
[02:20] <anderson> yes
[02:20] <anderson> but errors
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[02:21] <kakalto> what error?
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[02:21] <anderson> installation normal, but laod erro and reboot machine
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[02:23] <paolo____> hi ... i need to create a dynamic fade effect on an image and disply it in a fullscreen mode... which is the right command? thnks
[02:23] <kakalto> anderson: what error?
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[02:24] <piotsze> Adept shows me some updates but don't install them
[02:24] <anderson> no return erros display, mas monitor black signal
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[02:31] <willvdl> hi folks. how can I sign gpg keys in kmail?
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[02:36] <holger> test
[02:36] <holger> hellihello all together
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[02:39] <holger> i have a little question, is it possible to remap the key-combi ctrl-alt-7 to altgr-7 and if yes how? thanks
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[02:42] <RoKFiT> can anyone help me?
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[02:43] <RoKFiT> i need to put the main panel above the other windows with still being able to maximize windows behind it.
[02:43] <RoKFiT> is it possible?
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[02:45] <Jucato> RoKFiT: you can't maximize windows behind it. what you can do is to autohide that panel instead
[02:45] <RoKFiT> that sucks
[02:46] <RoKFiT> also, i want to have it be able to auto expand as the task bar gets bigger, and keep all task bar entries the same size, always!
[02:46] <RoKFiT> the panel i'm refering to
[02:46] <Jucato> that's possible, but not the "maximize windows behind it" part
[02:47] <RoKFiT> oh how do i do that part then?
[02:47] <Jucato> RoKFiT: set the Length to "expand as required to fit contents
[02:48] <RoKFiT> i do that and it doesn't expand when it's on the left side
[02:48] <RoKFiT> the tasks shrink to fit
[02:48] <RoKFiT> maybe it will work on the right?
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[02:49] <RoKFiT> no, same output
[02:49] <Jucato> and if you set the panel to hide automatically and raise when the pointer reaches the screen's ____ edge, you can have the effect that you want (maximize windows behind it).
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[02:50] <RoKFiT> i know, but the panel is not expanding as more tasks fill up
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[02:51] <RoKFiT> which i think it should
[02:52] <Hard_Wired> Where are the settings for the kpanel stored? I don't want to lose it when I upgrade to Edgy.
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[02:55] <kakalto> LOLOCAUST
[02:55] <kakalto> "conversation with su failed."
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[03:00] <omar> Hi guys, I need some help , I am tryingt to mount a folder between debians but i get this error "mount: RPC: Authentication error; why = Failed (unspecified error)"
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[03:02] <beau> Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[03:02] <beau> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[03:02] <beau> nice one
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[03:03] <momal> beau: make sure apt-get or adapt is running
[03:03] <momal> isn't running*
[03:03] <Jucato> !adept crash fix | beau
[03:03] <ubotu> beau: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
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[03:05] <omar> Hi guys, I need some help , I am tryingt to mount a folder between debians but i get this error "mount: RPC: Authentication error; why = Failed (unspecified error)"
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[03:07] <ssokolow> I'm trying to set up some Windows games under Wine for my brother, but it'd be nice if he could do this himself. Does anyone know how I could programmatically open a new X session for games that insist on 256-color graphics?
[03:08] <hirs> hi
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[03:09] <hirs> Does any one know how to set a splash for hibernate/suspend? or at least a text message like hibernating/suspendig and resuming...
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[03:10] <ukasz> hi
[03:11] <ukasz> i have a problem with kaffeine
[03:11] <digitalfreedom> whats the prob
[03:11] <ukasz> when i play something from other disk it coppies sth and doesn't start to play mp3 or movie
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[03:12] <CzarAlex> Could somsone recommend a video editor for KDE? I'm familiar with Windows Movie Maker but would like to use a KDE equivelant. Suggestions?
[03:12] <digitalfreedom> well you got me
[03:12] <digitalfreedom> i got no idea
[03:12] <Jucato> kino?
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[03:12] <CzarAlex> Jucato, is that for me?
[03:12] <Jucato> !kino | CzarAlex
[03:12] <ubotu> kino: Non-linear editor for Digital Video data. In component main, is extra. Version 0.90-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1093 kB, installed size 3860 kB
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[03:13] <Jucato> not really sure, so don't quote me on that one...
[03:13] <ssokolow> CzarAlex: I don't know whether Kubuntu offers it, and whether it would be what you're looking for, but I'd use Cinelerra for video editing. (I'm a Gentoo user on his brother's Ubuntu box)
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[03:13] <CzarAlex> Jucato I wont quote ya but thanks for the info.
[03:13] <CzarAlex> ssokolow and you too. Thanks Ill look in to that package.
[03:13] <ukasz> maybe i will try to reinstall codecs
[03:13] <Jucato> !find cinelerra
[03:13] <paul__> howdi
[03:13] <ubotu> Package/file cinelerra does not exist in edgy
[03:14] <CzarAlex> I see.
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[03:14] <paul__> :)
[03:15] <CzarAlex> Ah. Someone found how to install. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=294007&highlight=Cinelerra
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[03:19] <EightiesK> !mp3
[03:19] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
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[03:20] <EightiesK> !opera
[03:20] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
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[03:20] <EightiesK> !tcpmp
[03:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tcpmp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
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[03:22] <CzarAlex> !find diva
[03:22] <ubotu> Package/file diva does not exist in edgy
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[03:27] <EightiesK> !installing debian packages
[03:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about installing debian packages - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:27] <EightiesK> !deb
[03:27] <ubotu> deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)
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[03:29] <BluesKaj> Howdy all ! :)
[03:29] <alexicon> does kubuntu edgy come with reiser support for installation
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[03:30] <BluesKaj> alexicon, no it's ext2 or 3
[03:31] <alexicon> D:
[03:31] <alexicon> why
[03:31] <alexicon> my home dir is on a reiser partition
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[03:32] <BluesKaj> use GParted to setup a (k)ubuntu partition ...it'a a live cd partitioner that works very well
[03:32] <EightiesK> hello
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[03:34] <Guardian> hi
[03:34] <Guardian> adept update wars me about a lot of kde packages to be ugraded, what are there for ?
[03:35] <BluesKaj> hi EightiesK, Guardian
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[03:35] <Guardian> so much updates in a row does not look risk free :)
[03:35] <Jucato> Guardian: bugfixes and stuff
[03:36] <Jucato> those updates have probably been waiting since Edgy was released. I guess they decided to update by batch instead of one by one
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[03:37] <Guardian> kdesktop: candidate version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2
[03:37] <Guardian> is it kde 4?
[03:37] <Jucato> no
[03:37] <Jucato> still 3.5.5
[03:37] <Guardian> k
[03:37] <Guardian> i'm not familiar with kde versions
[03:37] <Jucato> KDE version in Edgy is 3.5.5
[03:39] <EightiesK> who here uses kubuntu mainly?
[03:39] <Guardian> mainly ?
[03:39] <EightiesK> as there main os
[03:39] <Guardian> i do
[03:39] <BluesKaj> <--- 90% kubuntu edgy
=== Jucato 100%
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[03:40] <Guardian> i'm not always satisfied by linux
[03:40] <Guardian> but ...
[03:40] <nixternal> <-- 100% Kubuntu Edgy + 15% Kubuntu Feisty
[03:40] <Guardian> it's ok :)
[03:40] <nixternal> ;p
[03:40] <Jucato> heh :)
[03:40] <Guardian> it's a pain in the ass in a company
[03:40] <EightiesK> ok how do i get mp3s and wmv files read
[03:40] <Guardian> yesterday i joined the active directory stuff
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[03:40] <Guardian> pfff ...
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[03:40] <Jucato> (what an introduction to a question...)
[03:40] <EightiesK> i haven't used linux since badger came out
[03:40] <BluesKaj> need windows for some video stuff that i haven't gotten working in edgy yet but it'sjust a matter of time :)
[03:41] <nixternal> EightiesK: wmv files are win32codecs and mp3s are libxine-extracodecs
[03:41] <Guardian> tooks hour because the damn firewall on the active directory server had ports clsoed
[03:41] <nixternal> EightiesK: sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
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[03:41] <nixternal> ^^ that will get you mp3 support
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[03:41] <nixternal> EightiesK: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats#head-6c942d1939d97331f96e42b63774003fde7daed5
[03:42] <nixternal> ^^ win32codecs info
[03:42] <Guardian> i desperately tried to find a fair comparison between gnome and kde, which one eats less resources ... then i installed xubuntu on my centrino laptop :D
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[03:42] <Guardian> stil i have a P4 taht uses kubuntu
[03:42] <EightiesK> i hate my gx cards
[03:42] <EightiesK> I have to use vesa...
[03:42] <Guardian> and another sucky dell laptop with ubuntu
[03:42] <Guardian> and in the end i can't see much difference
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[03:43] <the-erm> Has anyone here had the joy of compiling mplayer from scratch?
[03:43] <EightiesK> not me
[03:43] <Guardian> surely gentooers
[03:43] <Guardian> :)
[03:43] <the-erm> edgy's mplayer is borked.
[03:43] <EightiesK> this is my first time in linux in almost a year.
[03:43] <the-erm> chirps and clicks all over the place.
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[03:44] <BluesKaj> hehe, try the mythtv setup procedure...now there's "joy" :(
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[03:44] <ssokolow> What changes do I need to make to my brother's account to fix this error message? --> "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting."
[03:44] <Bulwinkle> Can someone help me figure out why whenever my screensaver comes up my screen goes black instead of showing it.  When I move my mouse to wake it up, I see the screensaver with the password prompt.  Odd I think.
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[03:44] <EightiesK> is the reps. still multiverse?
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[03:45] <ssokolow> He needs to be able to launch a second X session for a Wine-wrapped game which insists on 256-color mode.
[03:46] <EightiesK> anyone use vlc for media?
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[03:46] <Ash-Fox> EightiesK, yes.
[03:47] <ssokolow> the-erm: I'm a Gentoo user. I've never personally compiled mplayer from scratch, (emerge does the work) but I'm willing to try to guide you through it.
[03:47] <EightiesK> Ash-Fox: like it?
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[03:47] <Guardian> i never understood the motivation behind recompiling everything
[03:47] <Guardian> in gentoo
[03:47] <EightiesK> I use it in win.
[03:47] <Guardian> how great, wait all day long for kde or openoffice to compile ...
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[03:48] <ssokolow> Guardian: A mixture of wanting control over compile-time options, and wanting something without apt's flaws.
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[03:48] <Ash-Fox> EightiesK, I think kaffiene is a lot better because it can use 'hacks' that VLC can't.
[03:48] <Guardian> ssokolow: which apt flaws ?
[03:48] <holger_> hi all, i have troubles to remap the keycombi ctrl+alt+7 to altgr+7(this { on a german keyboard). i have tried it in kcontrol/Input Actions there is an example but it works with any key expect altgr-combis, damned :-( any ideas
[03:48] <Ash-Fox> It tend to use VLC mostly on Linux for decoding DVDs and converting them to transport stream MPGs.
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[03:48] <ssokolow> Guardian: Can't open a copy of adept while apt-get is running in Yakuake.
[03:48] <alexicon> gentooer right here
[03:49] <EightiesK> Ash-Fox: IC
[03:49] <alexicon> ok so does ubuntu have reiser support? or they dont have it either now???
[03:49] <ssokolow> Guardian: ...and probably the biggest example of why I like a source distro is that I'm running an aRTs-free KDE 3.5.5 install.
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[03:49] <Jucato> alexicon: if you use the Alternate install cd, I think you can have reiser support
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[03:50] <alexicon> can you link me to the alternate Jucato
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[03:50] <Guardian> ssokolow: what's ART ? kde sound manager stuff ?
[03:50] <Jucato> hold on
[03:50] <Jucato> !download
[03:50] <ubotu> Kubuntu can be downloaded in various formats from here: http://kubuntu.org/download.php
[03:50] <alexicon> Guardian: arts is your worst nightmare X-D
[03:50] <holger_> Does anybody know howto map ctrl-alt-7 to altgr-7?
[03:50] <alexicon> cheers Jucato
[03:50] <Guardian> well i did not use kde for 3 years :) i don't know what arts is
[03:50] <alexicon> :O
[03:51] <EightiesK> linamp
[03:51] <EightiesK> !linamp
[03:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linamp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:51] <alexicon> arts is the sound system for kde
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[03:51] <Ash-Fox> !xmms > EightiesK
[03:51] <alexicon> its the thing you have to kill to get your sound working again X-D
[03:51] <ssokolow> aRTs is unecessary since I have hardware mixing and my apps can talk to the sound card directly.
[03:51] <Guardian> haha
[03:51] <Jucato> alexicon: um.. I'm not really familiar with this new download page....
[03:51] <Guardian> ok right
[03:51] <alexicon> yeah i dont see it Jucato :/
[03:51] <Guardian> will kde4 drop arts ?
[03:52] <alexicon> any idea why they ditched reiser??
[03:52] <alexicon> unlikely Guardian
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[03:52] <Guardian> yeah i also noticed that reiserfs was not more available
[03:52] <ssokolow> KDE 4 has announced that they will be dropping aRTs.
[03:52] <Jucato> alexicon: the qtparted version they used in the live cd installer doesn't support reiser. they didn't ditch it.
[03:52] <Guardian> when i installed edgy
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[03:52] <ssokolow> In it's place, they'll be using the dmix ALSA software mixer, and a pluggable interface between backends (eg. Xine) and apps called Phonon.
[03:52] <alexicon> nrrr
[03:53] <alexicon> so if i dont use the gui install i can have reiser?
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[03:53] <Guardian> alexicon: try the alternate cd
[03:53] <Ash-Fox> alexicon, yes.
[03:53] <Guardian> but it's no more on the desktop live cd
[03:54] <Ash-Fox> alexicon, or you can just open konsole and do mkfs.reiserfs /dev/hdsomething5 after partitioning
[03:54] <Guardian> is reiserfs really faster ?
[03:54] <Ash-Fox> then quit the installer, start again, and just install to that partition
[03:54] <Guardian> for a desktop, is it worth using it compared to ext3?
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[03:54] <Ash-Fox> Guardian, I find it a lot faster.
[03:54] <Guardian> k
[03:54] <EightiesK> !7zip
[03:54] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
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[03:55] <swanfl> jfs is better than reiser imho
[03:56] <alexicon> Ash-Fox: the partition is already made, but it has gentoo on it, wanna wipe that out.
[03:56] <alexicon> oh then actually
[03:56] <BluesKaj> reformat it to ext
[03:56] <alexicon> i can install the / on to any fs type, and it will read my home thats reiser stil
[03:56] <alexicon> it has reiser support, just not in the install..
[03:57] <BluesKaj> reiser shows no particular speed over ext
[03:58] <EightiesK> how much space does Kubuntu need to run live?
[03:58] <Ash-Fox> BluesKaj, I've noticed that creating say 12GB zeroed out images in vmware takes a second while in ext3 it takes a while it writes out a bunch of stuff
[03:58] <Ash-Fox> BluesKaj, also my system with the same documents and so on, seems to boot a bit faster with reiserfs (only difference is with the file /etc/fstab obviously in my tests..)
[03:59] <Jucato> EightiesK: what space?
[03:59] <BluesKaj> VMware . well i guess it would
[03:59] <alexicon> EightiesK: the livecd uses no space.
[03:59] <alexicon> EightiesK: a minimum install for kubuntu would be around 2gb give or take
[03:59] <Ash-Fox> BluesKaj, not talking about inside vmware.
[03:59] <BluesKaj> if reiser is so great then why isn't it used in ubuntu ?
[04:00] <alexicon> yeah BluesKaj what has plagued reisers rep so much they wont include it
[04:00] <Dr_willis> Filesystem Wars! :)
[04:00] <alexicon> rawr!
[04:00] <Ash-Fox> BluesKaj, because debian uses ext3
[04:00] <djdarkman> hy ,I sadly don`t have enough time now to search on the forums ,can someone tell me ,how can I make file sharing as easy as in windows?
[04:00] <Dr_willis> djdarkman,  install samba
[04:00] <Ash-Fox> That's why Ubuntu uses ext3.
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[04:00] <eilker> !joomla
[04:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about joomla - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
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[04:01] <djdarkman> Dr_willis: ok ,but how do I make samba be controllable from kcontrol?
[04:01] <Dr_willis> djdarkman,  sudo apt-get install samba samba-doc
[04:01] <BluesKaj> so how does one get ubuntu to run a reiser supported FS ?
[04:01] <EightiesK> anyone ever heard of a portable media player called xm2 or something like that. my school uses windows so i carry my apps around on a usbdrive
[04:01] <Ash-Fox> BluesKaj, it is supported.
[04:01] <alexicon> BluesKaj: i think it does but you cant install on it
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[04:02] <Dr_willis> djdarkman, i always edit the samba config file by hand.. i just uncomment the 'homes' shares and  make them writeable.
[04:02] <Ash-Fox> BluesKaj, the gui partitioner just doesn't have it as a option. It's just a simple mkfs.reiserfs command from the console.
[04:02] <Ash-Fox> You can install to it.
[04:02] <Dr_willis> djdarkman,  also use 'sudo smbpasswd -a LINUXUSERNAME' to set up a samba password for the linux users.
[04:02] <alexicon> ah ok Ash-Fox
[04:02] <Guardian> is reiser4 available with kubuntu ?
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[04:02] <alexicon> :P
[04:02] <alexicon> yes Guardian
[04:02] <Ash-Fox> Guardian, yes.
[04:02] <Guardian> ok
[04:02] <alexicon> but not in the gui is all
[04:03] <Ash-Fox> I have not use reiser4 yet.
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[04:03] <Guardian> downloading the alternate cd
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[04:04] <BluesKaj> so it must be done previous to installing , too late for existing ext#
[04:04] <BluesKaj> err - installation
[04:05] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  at least not easially...
[04:05] <Guardian> can't an ext3 partition be converted ?
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[04:05] <BluesKaj> think I'll stick with ext
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[04:06] <BluesKaj> too much to redo , otherwise
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[04:06] <Dr_willis> I see no reason for most people to use anything other then ext3
[04:06] <alexicon> converting would be reformating
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[04:07] <chopin|pc> !wpa_supplicant
[04:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wpa_supplicant - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:07] <chopin|pc> ack
[04:07] <BluesKaj> http://www.namesys.com/v4/v4.html...makes it sound so great ...but suse sucks anyway ...it doesn't help that os
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[04:07] <chopin|pc> anyone here use wpa_supplicant?
[04:07] <Dr_willis> You could proberly use Mondo/Mindi to backup and restore to a reiserfs. but ick. :)
[04:07] <alexicon> i was just concerned that it wouldnt have support to read my other reiser partitions
[04:07] <BluesKaj> ain't goin there as the saying goes :)
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[04:11] <chopin|pc> !wireless
[04:11] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
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[04:13] <mducharme> whats the name of KDE regexp editor?
[04:14] <Jucato> !kregexpeditor
[04:14] <ubotu> kregexpeditor: graphical regular expression editor plugin for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 278 kB, installed size 1080 kB
[04:14] <Jucato> mducharme: ^^^^^
[04:15] <mducharme> shouldaknown, lol
[04:15] <mducharme> thanks
[04:15] <Jucato> :)
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[04:19] <mducharme> wow that app is broken
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[04:19] <mducharme> or im an idiot
[04:20] <mducharme> or both :D
[04:20] <fusspils> I get a screwed up screen in Kubuntu 6.10 after bootscreen on the live cd....6.06 works fine...if I install 6.06 then upgrade to 6.10 I also get the screen problem...any idea's?
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[04:21] <BluesKaj> screwedup scrn..how do you mean that ?
[04:21] <fusspils> its looks like a broken VGA card style error, many coloured stripes
[04:22] <fusspils> but I know the VGA card is ok
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[04:22] <sb9> any idea? my key for pipe-symbol and redirecting streams doesnt work anymore, already checked another keyboard - same
[04:22] <sb9> all other keys work
[04:22] <BluesKaj> must be ok if it works in dapper
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[04:22] <BluesKaj> driver update for edgy maybe ?
[04:23] <sb9> is this some weird keyboard layout ?
[04:23] <sb9> for non linux users ?
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[04:24] <Dr_willis> sb9,  you mean the | and >> << keys?
[04:24] <sb9> yes
[04:25] <sb9> oh got german layout, its the same key
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[04:34] <mducharme> regexpeditor won the worst interface ever
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[04:36] <Jucato> it's quite old, afaik
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[04:38] <Zamber> how can I bind the windows flag key to the K menu ?
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[04:39] <harald> hello guys, is there someone how can help me with my intel pro wirless 3945?
[04:40] <Zamber> harald try #linux
[04:40] <harald> ok tnx
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[04:42] <monad_> hi, i'm trying to play a dvd on kubuntu and always get a message that no shared css library is loaded, so i manually installed libdvdcss, still i can'T watch dvds
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[04:42] <monad_> is there any package i need to install regarding encryption?
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[04:43] <luis> hola
[04:43] <angasule> has there been a large release of upgraded packages in edgy in the last hours? I have like 30 packages to update, looks like half of kde and xorg
[04:43] <angasule> !es
[04:43] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[04:43] <gerd> hello everybody
[04:43] <monad_> hi, i'm trying to play a dvd on kubuntu and always get a message that no shared css library is loaded, so i manually installed libdvdcss, still i can'T watch dvds
[04:43] <monad_> is there any package i need to install regarding encryption?
[04:44] <gerd> can anybody help me with tainted kernel
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[04:44] <Croupier> hey guys how do i unrar programs in ubuntu , the only thing i get from adept is unrar-free and that doesnt do anything
[04:45] <Croupier> any other programs to unrar would be nice, i dont know so many names of programs
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[04:46] <gerd> unrar is good program why u need any other prog
[04:47] <Jucato> !unrar | Croupier
[04:47] <ubotu> Croupier: unrar is rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression  There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
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[04:47] <Jucato> Croupier: install "unrar", not just "unrar-free"
[04:47] <Croupier> i dont have unrar  in adept
[04:47] <Croupier> i just got unrar free
[04:48] <Jucato> it's in multiverse, you have to enable it
[04:48] <Jucato> !multiverse | Croupier
[04:48] <ubotu> Croupier: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
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[04:49] <slick_nick> hi -- i tried moving my home directory to a different partition..when i restarted, KDE told me dcopserver wasn't running because iceauth failed to lock the .ICEauthority file. i've been trying to find a fix for the last hour or so, but no luck...can anyone please help?
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[04:51] <gerd> unrar is in multiverse repository
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[04:51] <gerd> multiverse/util section
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[04:53] <Bulwinkle> Has anyone gotten their builtin laptop SD reader (TI here) to work?
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[04:53] <trappist> slick_nick: try deleting your ~/.ICEauthority
[04:54] <slick_nick> trappist: that's the first thing i did :) i did that and then tried running dcopserver manually
[04:54] <slick_nick> didn't work
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[04:55] <trappist> slick_nick: ls -ld ~
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[04:56] <slick_nick> it's owned by me, permissions are 777 (side efect of this is that i cna't switch between chat and terminal without kdm interrupting...)
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[04:56] <trappist> slick_nick: 777 is bad mkay
[04:57] <trappist> slick_nick: 750 is good
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[04:57] <slick_nick> trappist: ah, i see...you think that'll fix it?
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[04:58] <trappist> slick_nick: don't know, but it's worth a shot and should be done in any case
[04:59] <slick_nick> trappist: ok, thanks...if this doesn't work, i'll probably reinstall (like i said, i've just moved my /home to a new partition, so at least my data's safe...)
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[05:01] <Croupier> hey guys i am reading the man for unrar but im not quite getting it
[05:02] <trappist> Croupier: unrar x filename.rar
[05:02] <Croupier> is the command unrar -e- file.rar correct
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[05:02] <confusco> when I'm playing Flash videos like youtube or Google video in Firefox, it all loads, but plays only for a few seconds. when I move the seek bar to a different position, it starts playing for a few seconds again, and stops. anybody have an idea?
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[05:03] <trappist> confusco: sounds like you're running out of buffer
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[05:03] <confusco> how can i fix?
[05:03] <trappist> confusco: try pausing it for a minute or so, then hitting play again
[05:03] <confusco> no, not that kind of buffer
[05:03] <confusco> I said, it loads completely
[05:04] <confusco> finished loading, still does that
[05:04] <trappist> confusco: oh, that happened to me before.  closing the browser and reopening worked.  it was like flash got mad about having opened so many videos
[05:05] <confusco> okay I'll try
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[05:06] <confusco> wow you're right
[05:06] <confusco> thanks
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[05:13] <trappist> confusco: good deal
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[05:14] <BluesKaj> *** WARNING *** : the driver doesn't provide a correct size for memory mapping....WTF ?
[05:15] <BluesKaj> DVR tries to correct this error, but some strange things may happend, you are warned.
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[05:15] <BluesKaj> Can't map memory for capture : Invalid argument
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[05:23] <RoKFiT> why isn't konqueror single click interface?
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[05:24] <Jucato> maybe you changed it?
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[05:26] <RoKFiT> i have to double click folders to access them
[05:26] <RoKFiT> and i didn't change it
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[05:26] <RoKFiT> okay nevermind
[05:26] <RoKFiT> i lied
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[05:28] <Dr_willis> quintuppleclick!
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[05:29] <Jucato> gigaclick
[05:30] <NosstaZenith> Can someone help me in changing the look of the login screen, (Edgy 6.10 KuBun.) Tried using the systems settings advanced tool but no joy
[05:30] <Dr_willis> Install some kdm themes,, and   the tool that lets ya change it.. and have a blast. :)
[05:30] <NosstaZenith> ah ha, chhers
[05:30] <Dr_willis> kde-kdm-themes - Themes for the K Display Manager
[05:30] <Dr_willis> kdmtheme - theme manager for KDM
[05:31] <NosstaZenith> *cheers
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[05:35] <NosstaZenith> I have KDM installed, but cannot find the theme's for it, just installing the artwork
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[05:35] <NosstaZenith> when I try and change it, it seams to kinda change it, but then it puts the default login theme for edgy over the top
[05:36] <Dr_willis> I just installed  kde-kdm-themes kdmtheme, and its showing 4 kdm 'themes' now under the  KDM control center thing.
[05:37] <NosstaZenith> maybe I dont have the right respostories to install it
[05:38] <Dr_willis> !info  kde-kdm-themes
[05:38] <ubotu> kde-kdm-themes: Themes for the K Display Manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.4-1 (edgy), package size 639 kB, installed size 784 kB
[05:38] <Dr_willis> !info kdmtheme
[05:38] <ubotu> kdmtheme: theme manager for KDM. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.2-1 (edgy), package size 100 kB, installed size 264 kB
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[05:38] <NosstaZenith> ta
[05:38] <NosstaZenith> I like that little feature
[05:38] <NosstaZenith> never seen that before
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[05:39] <Dr_willis> check out apt:\ in konqueror also. :)
[05:39] <NosstaZenith> I am just looking at the res. in adept manager
[05:40] <Dr_willis> i thought universe was the default. :)
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[05:41] <NosstaZenith> nopes, well I installed 6.06TLS and then did an upgrade
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[05:42] <BluesKaj> kde-kdm-themes_3.4-1_all.deb
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[05:44] <julle> Anyone know if there is a driver or something that enabled me to use my external soundcard box. i have a Creative Audigy 2 Platium eX?
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[05:47] <NosstaZenith> I dunno if this will help but in the mixer, there is a switches tab, try playing around with some of those
[05:48] <Dr_willis> Thats an external Usb sound card eh?
[05:49] <NosstaZenith> yeah, firewire I think
[05:49] <NosstaZenith> think that it has a daughter board to connect it all up
[05:49] <Dr_willis> Huh? Firewire... ya better check your plugs..
[05:49] <Dr_willis> OR are we refering to extra things.. :P
[05:50] <NosstaZenith> hehe I dunno, :P I am just getting my problem fixed :P
[05:50] <Dr_willis> there are audigy pci cards with the 'bay' that can internal or external.
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[05:50] <Dr_willis> I have a Audigy2zs with an enternal bay. with headset/ins and outs...
[05:50] <Dr_willis> internal bay.
[05:50] <NosstaZenith> Well there is a connector on my Audigy for the front panel
[05:50] <Dr_willis> Its a PCI sound card then you are saying NosstaZenith ?
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[05:51] <NosstaZenith> but like you say it is internal, but I have seen some of the creative cards use the firewire connector on the back used to connect the external box
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[05:52] <Dr_willis> Ive not noticed them using firewire for that.. i know my internal bay has 2 cables going to it.. one real wide for the in/outs and one firewiresh for the firewire plug on the bay.
[05:52] <Dr_willis> My card works without the bay attatched. :)
[05:52] <NosstaZenith> yeah mine too
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[05:52] <NosstaZenith> I dont have a need for the bay
[05:52] <Dr_willis> i just plug the speakers in to the card.   The headset port on the front is nice however.
[05:53] <Dr_willis> Not tried the remote under linux yet.
[05:53] <NosstaZenith> hehe
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[05:53] <NosstaZenith> hardly use my headies
[05:53] <NosstaZenith> got nce speakers that do the job
[05:54] <NosstaZenith> haha, there are so many more updates now
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[05:55] <NosstaZenith> got so pissed off with vista last night just wiped my main HD and installed the KBun6.06TLS cd and then upgraded
[05:56] <Dr_willis> Proberly would of been better to get  an Edgy cd :)
[05:56] <Dr_willis> and do a clean install/no upgrade
[05:57] <NosstaZenith> yeah, might just download it at work and then burn it off and do full clean install, jst wanted it done like last night :P
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[05:57] <NosstaZenith> I like the crystal theme for kde, well nice
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[06:00] <RoKFiT> the ntfs driver ruined all of my music
[06:01] <RoKFiT> 700 songs
[06:01] <RoKFiT> quality songs at that!
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[06:04] <julle> RoKFiT: du talking about Ntfs-3G?
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[06:05] <jager|work> orly
[06:05] <jager|work> not ready for prime time?
[06:05] <RoKFiT> yeah.
[06:05] <jager|work> ntfs-3g i mean
[06:05] <jager|work> i've been meaning to play with it
[06:05] <RoKFiT> julle, i am.
[06:05] <jager|work> i want to use it to do virus scans on infected windows hard disks from linux
[06:05] <jager|work> bad idea maybe?
[06:06] <RoKFiT> i dunno, but all my audio pops
[06:06] <julle> RoKFiT: okey i was going to install it yesterday but i am too new to linux so i couldn't even compile it got errors :P
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[06:06] <jager|work> lame
[06:07] <alexicon> something is screwed with the wifi thoughpaste me a pipe someone
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[06:08] <NosstaZenith> Nope still no joy still overlaying the kubuntu login theme
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[06:09] <NosstaZenith> * sigh *
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[06:13] <RoKFiT> julle: i didn't have to compile it
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[06:13] <[GuS] > Hi!
[06:13] <RoKFiT> but i do believe it put a lot of pops in my mp3's
[06:14] <mkaster> hi
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[06:14] <mkaster> i need some help guys
[06:14] <trappist> RoKFiT: the files are intact, it's just that the driver kinda sucks so it's not reading it very well
[06:15] <RoKFiT> they're already transfered back to an ext3 drive
[06:15] <RoKFiT> that same drive, just formatted to ext3
[06:15] <|GaiJin|> haha.... upgraded to edgy a few days ago... and restarted my machine today... and upgraded my packages... and now konqueror won't be found on my system:P
[06:15] <mkaster> i have a hard drive with a partition that i found out is GPT Protective Partition, which I found out in windows... How do I get rid of the partition?
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[06:15] <mkaster> I want to format it to FAT
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[06:16] <i7ch> is the (k|u|edu)buntu kernel boot graphics a kernel patch, or is it independent? i ask because i'm compiling a fresh kernel from kernel.org and wondering if i should patch it to make it look nice.
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[06:17] <RoKFiT> is the ntfs driver known to cause pops in music like that?
[06:18] <trappist> RoKFiT: the medium-latency, non-preemptible kernel is known to cause pops when i/o is dragging, as it often will on ntfs partitions
[06:18] <|GaiJin|> RoKFiT: I have a friend who had all his mp3 on a NTFS drive, and suddenly He lost every other of them,....
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[06:19] <RoKFiT> trappist: how do i know if i have a non-preemptible kernel
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[06:19] <trappist> RoKFiT: if you're running edgy, you have a non-preemptible kernel
[06:19] <RoKFiT> but it did this with fedora core 6
[06:19] <trappist> RoKFiT: there's a low-latency kernel package in feisty universe that's basically specifically designed to help this problem
[06:19] <i7ch> trappist, any idea re my question?
[06:20] <trappist> RoKFiT: don't know anything about fedora's kernels
[06:20] <RoKFiT> trappist: how do i get this kernel
[06:20] <trappist> i7ch: I think the nice folks in #ubuntu-artwork can answer that
[06:20] <i7ch> trappist, i'll try them
[06:21] <trappist> RoKFiT: not sure.  it's probably tricky, without upgrading to feisty, which is probably a bad idea
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[06:22] <RoKFiT> maybe its bad mp3?  some songs actually don't pop!
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[06:23] <trappist> RoKFiT: listen to the first 10 seconds or so several times, and see if the pops are in the same places each time
[06:24] <RoKFiT> they are, even when i transfer the files to windows
[06:24] <trappist> RoKFiT: for example, higher quality mp3s might pop more, because it has to do more i/o for the same length of audio
[06:24] <trappist> RoKFiT: then it sounds like those files are in fact damaged
[06:24] <trappist> RoKFiT: but it's very, very unlikely that it was caused by the ntfs drivers
[06:24] <RoKFiT> from the driver?
[06:24] <trappist> no
[06:25] <RoKFiT> okay than i feel better
[06:25] <trappist> the ntfs driver is only going to screw things up if you set it read/write, and even then if it screws up it'll usually wreck the whole filesystem
[06:25] <RoKFiT> it has to be the audio then
[06:26] <RoKFiT> the files must have been bad from day 1
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[06:26] <trappist> RoKFiT: yeah, maybe a bad rip.  my whole pink floyd the wall disc 2 is like that :)
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[06:26] <zorglu_> q. is there a channel for people coding on ubuntu ?
[06:28] <zorglu_> like i would like to compile a programm in static with glibc, and fails to find a ubuntu package supporting that, is there any i miss ?
[06:28] <zorglu_> to answer this kind on question :)
[06:28] <RoKFiT> well thanks for the information trappist
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[06:28] <RoKFiT> i will definitely start re-downloading
[06:28] <RoKFiT> at first i was really mad at linux and that i transfered over
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[06:29] <RoKFiT> well mad at myself
[06:29] <RoKFiT> then i started thinking it must be the files
[06:29] <RoKFiT> because they all aren't like that
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[06:39] <niblets> I've just upgraded from dapper to edgy.. X won't start. Any ideas where to start?
[06:39] <Dr_willis> reconfiure the X server, reinstall the nvidia/ati drivers
[06:40] <niblets> dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server ?
[06:40] <Dr_willis> somthing like that.
[06:40] <Dr_willis> you may want to reinstall the video card drivers first
[06:40] <niblets> then apt-get install xorg-xserver-driver-ati?
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[06:42] <niblets> what's the difference between xserver-xorg-video-ati and xserver-xorg-driver-ati?
[06:43] <trappist> niblets: I believe one is deprecated in favor of the other
[06:43] <niblets> trappist: any ideas which?
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[06:44] <znapper> !skype
[06:44] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype  -  To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
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[06:44] <trappist> niblets: looks like the video one is the new one
[06:44] <niblets> trappist: thanks
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[06:49] <mluser-work> Does anyone know if there is already a repository for the new ati 8.31.5 fglrx drivers?
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[06:55] <majnoon> <<installing gnome (bored bored) it DOES have some nice toys
[06:58] <alexicon> how do you manually force a dhcp release
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[06:59] <trappist> alexicon: ifdown <device>
[07:00] <trappist> or sudo ifdown
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[07:00] <trappist> then ifup
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[07:01] <alexicon> ok
[07:01] <alexicon> i woulda thought eth0 would release the address when i tried to connect the wifi but it didnt
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[07:04] <wildchild> hello there, I ha ve problems with updating system. It seems some servers aren't responding or what; paste: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35799/
[07:04] <Dr_willis> ITs possible the servers are down/overloaded
[07:04] <Dr_willis> Thats not too uncommon.. sadly.
[07:05] <wildchild> so I have to keep trying?
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[07:06] <Dr_willis> could chante your sources to point to other servers
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[07:06] <Dr_willis> or wait a while
[07:06] <wildchild> especially this repo and server: Could not connect to www.mirrorservice.org:80 (212.219.56.134), connection timed out ; deb http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/koffice-1.6.0/kubuntu edgy main
[07:07] <wildchild> Dr_Wills: could chante your sources to point to other servers  how?
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[07:07] <wildchild> I added 2 repos to get the newest krita
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[07:07] <wildchild> from koffice
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[07:08] <wildchild> and one of them is constantly not responding - server
[07:08] <Dr_willis> edit the /etc/apt/sources.list is how i always do it.. if its an non-official server... no idea what other ones to try.
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[07:09] <wildchild> it's official., I got it on their site..
[07:09] <Dr_willis> official from who.. :) not 'ubuntu' official you mean?
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[07:10] <wildchild> heh
[07:10] <wildchild> offical from koffice and since koffice isn't in repos of ubuntu... than apperantly isn't official
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[07:15] <kakalto_> if I have a theme.kth and I want to install it, how do I?
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[07:17] <mducharme> where are the icons stored
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[07:18] <Dr_willis> which icons. :)
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[07:18] <Dr_willis> they can be in several places
[07:18] <[1-1-11] Zeti> ShipIt remains committed to providing free CDs of Kubuntu 6.06 LTS. <- I somehow got 6.10...
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[07:20] <mducharme> KDE's
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[07:21] <galathalion> anyone use opera?
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[07:21] <EightiesK> !usb
[07:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about usb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
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[07:21] <EightiesK> !flash
[07:21] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:21] <EightiesK> !flashdrive
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[07:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flashdrive - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:22] <RoKFiT> !seen intelikey
[07:22] <Zeti> [%]  RoKFiT, well... i don't remember seeing [intelikey]  :\ .UPP.
[07:22] <ubotu> I last saw intelikey (n=root@0-1pool90-75.nas23.houston4.tx.us.da.qwest.net) 12h 44m 56s ago, quiting: "shalom."
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[07:22] <sparrw> firefox on kubuntu associates pdf with kghostview (which has no search) instead of kpdf...  why?
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[07:22] <RoKFiT> root, lol
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[07:22] <EightiesK> how do i rename my flash drive?
[07:22] <Dr_willis> EightiesK,  using edgy?
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[07:23] <Fragrag> Does anybody know how to open Open Office Word Processor using Alt+F2?
[07:23] <Dr_willis> oobase          oocalc          oodraw          ooffice         oofromtemplate  ooimpress       oomath          ooo-wrapper     ooweb           oowriter
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[07:23] <EightiesK> no
[07:23] <mducharme> oowriter
[07:23] <EightiesK> the new one
[07:24] <Dr_willis> EightiesK,  You mean the Farrting Fawn?
[07:24] <Fragrag> Thanks alot Dr_willis
[07:25] <EightiesK> i dunno
[07:25] <EightiesK> i just updated from worthog
[07:25] <Fragrag> That's a codename? Farting Fawn?!
[07:25] <EightiesK> X-D
[07:25] <EightiesK> how do i find out
[07:25] <EightiesK> i just got the cd in the mail
[07:26] <trappist> Fragrag: it's feisty fawn.
[07:26] <alexicon> im trying to install nvidia glx drivers, and when i tyr the enable command i get: Error: unable to load nvidia kernel driver! Be sure to have installed
[07:26] <alexicon> the nvidia driver for your running kernel.
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[07:26] <Fragrag> Oh, too bad, farting fawn is awesome :p
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[07:26] <Zeti> now a bit more detailed
[07:27] <Zeti> I ordered a kubuntu via shipit
[07:27] <Zeti> now i get a package with a cd
[07:27] <Zeti> on the package 6.1 is stated
[07:27] <Zeti> i put the disc into a drive and started it under windows
[07:27] <EightiesK> Dr_willis: ya edgy
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[07:27] <Zeti> the window title says 6.06 Disc Three
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[07:28] <Zeti> how can i get definitely which version the cd is?
[07:28] <Dr_willis> Edgy Eft is the 'latest' the fawn is the next genreation :P
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[07:28] <Dr_willis> EightiesK,  what filesystem is on that usb drive? i  got mine all named. but not sure how i did it.. heh
[07:28] <EightiesK> well is fawn worth the hassle
[07:29] <EightiesK> of reinstalling
[07:29] <EightiesK> or not yet?
[07:29] <Dr_willis>      EightiesK  i would wait on it
[07:29] <EightiesK> k cool
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[07:29] <Dr_willis> under media:/  i have the drives shown as their volume lables
[07:29] <Dr_willis> under /media/ they are shown as their mount points
[07:29] <EightiesK> I just bought a new flash drive and i need to name it
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[07:30] <Dr_willis> Whats it called now?
[07:30] <EightiesK> usbdrive
[07:30] <alexicon> how do i check that i have the right version of glx, there really isnt a choice that i see *_*
[07:30] <EightiesK> no
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[07:30] <EightiesK> usbdisk
[07:31] <Dr_willis> my flashdrive gets mounted to        /media/usbdisk        but under media:/  its called  '2.1gbMedia'  :)
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[07:31] <EightiesK> lol
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[07:32] <EightiesK> whats the ti83 emulator
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[07:32] <Dr_willis> I do have ext3 filesystem on it. and i  used the ext tools to lable the drive that name i think
[07:32] <alexicon> !glx
[07:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about glx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:32] <alexicon> !nvidia
[07:32] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:32] <EightiesK> i need mine in fat
[07:33] <EightiesK> so i can change from mac to windows to linux
[07:33] <hrp2171> !mplayer
[07:33] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. Enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer  To compile it from source see:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile
[07:33] <notech> its just a mount point, it can be named anything
[07:33] <ubotu> For Codecs try !codecs Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.
[07:33] <hrp2171> !codecs
[07:33] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:33] <alexicon> hrp2171: libmpeg3 libxine-extracodecs
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[07:34] <hrp2171> alexicon: they dont come up as options to install.  even after enabling all the default repos
[07:34] <monad> hi... i have no idea what it was, but after having successfully configured fglrx and running it for two months, it'S awfully broken now
[07:34] <alexicon> you add multiverse apply > fetch updates
[07:34] <Zeti> the .disk/info contains Kubuntu 6.10 "Edgy Eft" - Release i386 (20061025)
[07:34] <monad> even running fglrxinfo gives hundreds of lines of [fglrx]  API ERROR:....
[07:34] <Zeti> is this info reliable?
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[07:35] <Dr_willis> EightiesK,  try rightclickint on that drive icon and properties and change its name. ;)
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[07:35] <wilhart> are there repos for kde4 for ubuntu ?
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[07:36] <EightiesK> what does everyone use for im?
[07:36] <hrp2171> alexicon: i take it dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse is not the right one
[07:36] <Dr_willis> EightiesK,  IRC :)
[07:36] <EightiesK> i mean program
[07:36] <EightiesK> i use gaim on all platforms that i use
[07:37] <Dr_willis> You mean what IRC client to people use? thats not the same as an 'im' client
[07:37] <Dr_willis> I tend to use xchat for my irc needs
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[07:37] <galathalion> hey
[07:37] <galathalion> is there any way to get different desktops like in gnome?
[07:37] <mc__> galathalion: what do you mean?
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[07:38] <Dr_willis> galathalion,  like in gnome?
[07:38] <galathalion> mc__: well in kde u have 4 desktops u can switch between.. but not really.
[07:38] <Dr_willis> You refering to different "Desktop enviroments" like KDE/Icewm/XFCE/?
[07:38] <Dr_willis> or virtual desktops...
[07:38] <galathalion> multiple desktops
[07:38] <Dr_willis> I have 4 virtual desktops on my KDE setup at the moment.. can easially add more
[07:39] <galathalion> Dr_willis: yes those are the ones im talking about
[07:39] <galathalion> Dr_willis: but they are not working as i want to.
[07:39] <Dr_willis> up to 20 it seems.. according to the 'configure desktops' applet. :)
[07:39] <Admiral_Chicago> how can i get the PID in konsole for my running programs
[07:39] <Dr_willis> galathalion,  so NOW we are getting to your actual question.........
[07:39] <Dr_willis> Admiral_Chicago,  ps command is oftenused for that.
[07:40] <Dr_willis> with the right options. :)
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[07:40] <Admiral_Chicago> ...i don't have the opntion
[07:40] <Admiral_Chicago> err know the options
[07:40] <Dr_willis> man ps
[07:40] <hrp2171> cool! finally got that right!  added the word multiverse next to universe.  LOL
[07:40] <Admiral_Chicago> Dr_willis: okay will try
[07:40] <galathalion> Dr_willis: its a little bit hard to explain with my english :S
[07:40] <Dr_willis> i tend to do a 'ps ax | grep whatevername'
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[07:41] <galathalion> Dr_willis: when i open a program in one desktop it shows on the taskbar in _every_ desktop, i dont want that :<
[07:41] <pentadrago> hi
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[07:41] <hrp2171> thanks alexicon
[07:41] <Admiral_Chicago> system monitor won out because i'm impatient
[07:42] <Dr_willis> galathalion,  thats a setting in the 'configure taskber' area -- explore all the settings.
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[07:43] <galathalion> Dr_willis: oh great.. i found it now. thanks
[07:44] <Dr_willis> may want to enable the 'show windows list' option . that way you can get to the other apps on other desktops easier.. :)
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[07:44] <Dr_willis> but still have them hidden
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[07:47] <ehird> sometimes i see software never updated since like 2002
[07:47] <ehird> and the latest news post is just a regular new release post
[07:47] <ehird> and i think
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[07:48] <ehird> "did they just forget about it or something? you know, forget about 3 years of making a WM... yeah... that's right..."
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[07:49] <RoKFiT> is there a hotkey to hide the panel
[07:49] <poppemie> can someone help me with warzone for linux it runs but he didn't find the Physicial Fs....
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[07:50] <Dr_willis> !info warzone
[07:50] <ubotu> Package warzone does not exist in any distro I know
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[07:51] <Dr_willis> Hmm
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[07:51] <poppemie> yes ubotu it exist
[07:51] <poppemie> I Ran it
[07:51] <RoKFiT> why can't i maximize windows behind a panel, or how do i fix it/
[07:51] <RoKFiT> ?
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[07:52] <poppemie> #warzone
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[07:52] <Dr_willis> In late 2004 warzone was released by its copyright holders, Eidos Interactve, to the public under the GNU General Public License (GPL),
[07:52] <Dr_willis> Heh google is fun
[07:52] <poppemie> how do i go to warzone? channel?
[07:52] <Dr_willis> RoKFiT,  you mean under the panel?
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[07:52] <poppemie> yes
[07:52] <RoKFiT> yes
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[07:54] <Dr_willis> RoKFiT,  you could just set the panels to auto hide.
[07:54] <Dr_willis> othereise you wont be seeing the bottom part.
[07:54] <RoKFiT> autohide is somehow annoying
[07:54] <Dr_willis> what you are trying to do sounds just as annoying. :)
[07:54] <lm> when trying to upgrad my system from dapper to edgy (just got my net back) it gives me the error that it cant fetch following things
[07:54] <lm> Failed to fetch http://xgl.compiz.info/dists/dapper/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found
[07:55] <lm> Failed to fetch http://xgl.compiz.info/dists/dapper/main/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found
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[07:55] <RoKFiT> well i like to flick my mouse to corners to hit spots on windows, but i also like my taskbar up top
[07:55] <Dr_willis> RoKFiT,  you havent noticed the 'all other progrmas to cover the panel' setting eh?
[07:55] <trappist> lm: xgl.compiz.info is a fairly unreliable repo in my experience
[07:55] <lm> i tried playteing around with compiz long time ago and it went sour, and i havent used it since
[07:55] <lm> i know
[07:55] <Dr_willis> work time for me.. byeeee
[07:55] <lm> didnt get it to work either
[07:56] <lm> but how can i go around this error, so me system upgrades?
[07:56] <lm> becauses it just halts after this error
[07:56] <lm> and i cant upgrade
[07:56] <lm> any help? i would rather not have to delete the system and install from scratch
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[07:58] <trappist> lm: remove xgl.compiz.info from your /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:59] <lm> allright ill try
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[07:59] <BluesKaj> compiz does damage upon removal , don't use autoremove like i did ...totally screwed the desktop
[08:00] <lm> is it enough if i just del the following:
[08:00] <lm> #compiz Quinn's
[08:00] <lm>    deb http://www.beerorkid.com/compiz dapper main
[08:00] <lm>    deb http://xgl.compiz.info/ dapper main
[08:00] <lm>    deb-src http://xgl.compiz.info/ dapper main
[08:00] <trappist> lm: yep
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[08:00] <lm> ok
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[08:01] <lm> yeah
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[08:01] <Kresildefix> hi
[08:01] <Kresildefix> can someone help me??
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[08:01] <lm> thanks for the help no errors... for now :D
[08:02] <BluesKaj> Kresildefix, just ask your question
[08:02] <Kresildefix> sure
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[08:02] <Kresildefix> i cant use ALTGr
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[08:04] <RoKFiT> allow other windows to cover the panel     ....   this option is nice, but when bottom of screen is hit, panel shows.   annoying!
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[08:04] <RoKFiT> to me that is a bug
[08:04] <mortici> anyone here play EVE Online ?
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[08:05] <uphill> hi
[08:05] <uphill> short help please
[08:05] <uphill> postgresql-81 hba.conf :)
[08:06] <trappist> you mean pg_hba.conf?
[08:06] <uphill> local   all         all                               trust
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[08:06] <uphill> yes
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[08:06] <trappist> what's your question
[08:06] <uphill> i put locall all all trust in first line, becouse i am the only user on this computer
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[08:07] <uphill> and if a want to connexct with 'psql -Upostgres -dtemplate1' it wont work
[08:07] <trappist> uphill: try 'psql template1'
[08:07] <trappist> uphill: and, define 'wont work'
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[08:07] <uphill> it write ident auth fails
[08:08] <trappist> uphill: have you restarted postgres?
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[08:08] <uphill> and with the cmd you wrote me it writes Role 'root' does not exist
[08:08] <uphill> i have restarted
[08:08] <trappist> uphill: don't do this as root :)
[08:08] <uphill> any user failes
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[08:08] <uphill> except the postgres user :)
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[08:09] <trappist> uphill: can you pastebin your pg_hba.conf?
[08:09] <uphill> i will
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[08:11] <uphill> oh shit
[08:11] <uphill> sorry
[08:11] <trappist> language please
[08:12] <malik__> hi guyz can some one tell me how to enable the sound icon in the task bar in kubuntu?.i was fiddling with settings n killing system processes n i dont know which one i did wrongly n now its gone.tho i still have the sound n its working.
[08:12] <uphill> but these config file has so much comments that i looked over a line
[08:12] <trappist> malik__: start 'kmix'
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[08:12] <uphill> sorry for language
[08:12] <uphill> trappist: thx
[08:12] <trappist> uphill: you mean the ident sameuser line for the postgres user?
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[08:13] <malik__> oooh lala .worked like charm...thanx heaps guyz
[08:13] <malik__> specially to trappist
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[08:15] <malik__> one more thing how do i stop the applications from automatically starting which were open b4 i turned off the copmuter, when i login
[08:16] <malik__> ?
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[08:17] <BluesKaj> malik__, you should shut the progs down before turning off the pc
[08:18] <trappist> malik__: in kcontrol or systemsettings, in session management, tell kde to start with an empty session or a previously saved session, but not the last session
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[08:18] <ataxic> doesn't the desktop cd fit on a 700mb cd?
[08:19] <trappist> ataxic: I sure hope so
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[08:19] <ataxic> trying a diiferent disc atm
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[08:20] <malik__> great guyz.thanx alot.............i think i am being vindicated in decision of ditching win xp
[08:21] <malik__> first of all its free n second thing help channel like this is great
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[08:21] <cloakable> :)
[08:21] <malik__> i am just a newbie...so dont mind me if i say something silly
[08:22] <ataxic> come on then
[08:22] <ataxic> say something silly
[08:23] <malik__> :).......................
[08:23] <vyoman> anybody knows what todays updates are fixing? anything serious or urgent?
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[08:24] <malik__> well there are 54 of them amounting to almost 104 mb
[08:24] <malik__> i am currently downloading them
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[08:26] <vyoman> c'mon 340+ nicks on the channel and no one can tell me if the updates can wait until monday?
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[08:27] <malik__> well if u ask my opinion they can wait till monday but if u are running work computer then better do them now
[08:27] <malik__> better be safe than sorry ...........i wud say
[08:28] <vyoman> true true but if the updates break stuff, I could sit here all weekend ;)
[08:29] <bubu1uk> well, updates are mostly for GUI, so dont think anything that important
[08:30] <vyoman> thanks guys that all I needed to hear, some support to go home early! :)
[08:30] <malik__> updates break things?.................i didnt know that....................im new to linux n i have taken a plunge by ditching win xp............. so if any one can elaborate on that, that will be great
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[08:32] <trappist> malik__: updates *can* break things, but in most cases they don't
[08:33] <vyoman> well it happened only once (this year) but yes it did happen and we need better information on the updates available, to make an informed decision
[08:34] <trappist> vyoman: the X updates weren't even for security
[08:35] <malik__> oooh okie.................... okie another questioni would like to ask is ......... how do i back up my home directory n restore it in newer version and what is the significance of it.........
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[08:35] <vyoman> trappist: todays X updates?
[08:36] <trappist> vyoman: right
[08:37] <vyoman> cool, thanks, i am updating now :)
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[08:41] <Ash-Fox> Hmm, what's with the X updates? I can't find them in USN? Is there some other mailing lsit I can subscribe to to find out update information?
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[08:42] <Raffas> hi! i'm using kubuntu 6.10 on my latitude 510. The problem is that i can't see power maganement icon in System settings. Any ideas?
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[08:45] <nemesis4u> hello all :-)
[08:46] <nemesis4u> Could anyone help me - I am trying to Rar a video 900meg into 50 meg rar files.... how? and is there a gui to do it as well?
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[08:46] <notech> malik__: is /home on its own partition?
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[08:48] <Flosoft> hey
[08:49] <Flosoft> how do I enable XDMCP?
[08:49] <raphink> Flosoft: in kdmrc
[08:49] <Flosoft> where is that?
[08:49] <raphink>  /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[08:50] <nemesis4u> Could anyone help me - I am trying to Rar a video 900meg into 50 meg rar files.... how? and is there a gui to do it as well?
[08:50] <Flosoft> ok found it :)
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[08:51] <raphink> why rar nemesis4u ?
[08:51] <nemesis4u> windows support
[08:51] <nemesis4u> what else could i use?
[08:51] <raphink> you can use zip
[08:51] <raphink> (or you can ignore windows support and use a real compression format)
[08:51] <nemesis4u> what is the app called and does it support splitting?
[08:51] <nemesis4u> :-) haha
[08:52] <raphink> for rar, the app is called rar
[08:52] <raphink> for zip, the app is called zip
[08:52] <nemesis4u> gui?
[08:52] <raphink> :p
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[08:52] <raphink> ark is a gui for all compressions formats
[08:52] <nemesis4u> have you used ark to make multiple splits?
[08:52] <raphink> provided you have installed rar (free or nonfree) and zip
[08:52] <raphink> no
[08:52] <raphink> I never had too
[08:53] <nemesis4u> it does not work
[08:53] <nemesis4u> That is why i am looking for an app that splits the file
[08:53] <raphink> what does not work?
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[08:54] <nemesis4u> ark for splitting
[08:54] <nemesis4u> it does not have an option anywhere
[08:54] <nemesis4u> nor does archive manager
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[08:55] <majnoon> i have a problem ,php is not running on my apache2 it asks me to DOWNLOAD my index.php filephp
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[08:55] <Raffas> majnoon: is php module loaded?
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[08:56] <majnoon> i THINK so
[08:56] <majnoon> it is in the enabled mods
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[08:57] <brz> hi everyone
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[08:57] <mh> hello each and every one of u...
[08:57] <majnoon> Raffas: how do i make sure ??
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[08:59] <notech> think it requires the php-http package
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[09:00] <mh> can one ask questions here?
[09:00] <majnoon> go ahead
[09:00] <notech> sure
[09:00] <Raffas> majnoon: http://www.ducea.com/2006/05/30/managing-apache2-modules-the-debian-way/
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[09:00] <Raffas> majnoon: maybe this helps a little :)
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[09:01] <mh> how can one set the dns server from terminal?
[09:01] <julle> what do i write to delete a folder with subfolders in it?
[09:01] <Raffas> but still, what package creates the power magament icon in system settings?
[09:01] <raphink> mh: set it in /etc/resolv.conf or in /etc/network/interfaces
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[09:02] <notech> julle:  rm -rf but be very careful, there is no way to recover it
[09:02] <Flosoft> hey
[09:02] <brz> ummm, can anyone tell me how to switch a default program? what I mean is when I rightclick on a file and chose actions-> email file the system wants to open kmail and I want thunderbird to do it
[09:02] <julle> notech: thx!
[09:02] <Flosoft> now I get this: XDMCP fatal error: Manager unwilling Host unwilling
[09:02] <brz> I tried Settings>kde elements (or whatever it is in English)>default programs
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[09:03] <brz> but when the window opens the only thing I can do is click <ok> or <cancel>
[09:03] <brz> the window's blank, sort of
[09:03] <raphink> Flosoft: set Xaccess
[09:03] <majnoon> looking at it
[09:03] <Flosoft> how?
[09:03] <mh> thanks for answering my first question...the second is why does my harddisk seems to turn on and off while running linux?
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[09:04] <raphink> Flosoft: by using your head
[09:04] <raphink> :)
[09:04] <raphink> it's in the same place
[09:04] <raphink> mh: how do you know?
[09:04] <Flosoft> like this: *                                       #any host can get a login window =?
[09:04] <raphink> yes
[09:04] <raphink> unless you want more restriction
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[09:05] <Flosoft> ok ... now it doesn't get me any login screen :S
[09:06] <mh> the hard ticks and then works then ticks again and only in linux...everything is fine in windows
[09:07] <cpk1> what is a "tick"
[09:07] <raphink> what are  you doing Flosoft?
[09:07] <cpk1> besides the blood sucking insect
[09:07] <raphink> Flosoft: did you restart kdm and tried to log in from another machine using the remote option?
[09:07] <brz> anyone? ;] 
[09:07] <Flosoft> I want to connect from an old Xubuntu machine to my Kubuntu Laptop
[09:07] <raphink> Flosoft: did you restart kdm on the laptop after changing all this?
[09:07] <Flosoft> maybe because the wifi is to weak?
[09:07] <Flosoft> yes
[09:08] <Flosoft> I did
[09:08] <Flosoft> the problem is something with the fonts :S
[09:08] <Flosoft> and wacom
[09:08] <cpk1> brz: use kcontrol
[09:08] <raphink> hmmm
[09:08] <mh> wat happens is the system pauses and the hard disk makes a sound (tick) and the system works again...any ideas?
[09:09] <raphink> only with linux mh?
[09:09] <mh> yes only in linux....not even once in windows
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[09:10] <mh> this was happening to me even with mandrake and some other distros
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[09:11] <brz> cpk1: it doesn't help
[09:12] <brz> I still get the same thing
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[09:12] <unai> HOLA!!!
[09:12] <unai> Alguno puede ayudarme?
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[09:13] <unai> Tengo problemas con la tarjeta de red...
[09:13] <unai> soy novato en linux
[09:13] <trappist> !pt | unai
[09:13] <ubotu> unai: Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
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[09:13] <trappist> or is it
[09:13] <trappist> !es
[09:13] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[09:13] <trappist> can't tell
[09:13] <angasule> trappist: spanish
[09:13] <trappist> angasule: thanks :)
[09:14] <unai> Gracias
[09:14] <angasule> you're welcome
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[09:16] <majnoon> no luck
[09:16] <majnoon> will TRY reinstall
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[09:16] <judaz> Hey!
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[09:16] <niblets> just upgraded dapper>edgy... now kdesu doesn't seem to do anything
[09:16] <judaz> I need some help with CARD EXPORT II on my TUNGSTEN E2 and mi Kubuntu edgy
[09:17] <judaz> niblets: i have the same problem, buy I installed Edgy just from de CD.. It may be a bug.. I'm not sure
[09:17] <niblets> hmm, interesting.
[09:18] <niblets> when I apt-get install kdesu, it's referred to by another package, but there's no installation candidate
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[09:20] <malik__> .........................
[09:21] <raphink> niblets: kdesu is provided by kdebase-bin
[09:21] <raphink>  $ dpkg -S /usr/bin/kdesu
[09:21] <raphink> kdebase-bin: /usr/bin/kdesu
[09:21] <mh> so no one in the channel had any harddisk problems with linux?
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[09:22] <malik__> .......................
[09:22] <unai> Alguno que quiera ayudarme? en kubuntu-es no me contestan
[09:23] <pentadrago> mh: did you check the dmesg output?
[09:23] <raphink> con que unai?
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[09:23] <unai> hola raphink
[09:23] <raphink> hola
[09:23] <unai> tengo problemas con la tarjeta de red
[09:23] <unai> ahora mismo estoy con una pcmcia
[09:23] <raphink> mhm
[09:23] <redmonkey> ahem?!
[09:23] <unai> pero los problemas los tengo con la de la placa
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[09:23] <niblets>  raphink: weird.. kdebase-bin is installed correctly, apparently
[09:24] <unai> me detecta la tarjeta de red, me la configura bien... pero no va.
[09:24] <raphink> de la placa?
[09:24] <unai> si la tarjeta que biene integrada en la placa
[09:24] <mh> <pentadrago> the harddisk works just fine but it pauses (turns off) and reruns again..
[09:24] <raphink> sure niblets, what's the issue?
[09:24] <|GaiJin|> hmmm... are there any programs in linux that can use yahoo widgets??
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[09:25] <pentadrago> mh: no problems with other OSes?
[09:25] <unai> raphink te importaria explicarmelo?
[09:25] <raphink> unai: puede ver la tarjeta con ifconfig?
[09:25] <mh>  <pentadrago> this problem didnt happen to me with any version of windows
[09:26] <niblets> raphink: when running kdesu, I get xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused
[09:26] <pentadrago> mh: sorry, i have no clue
[09:26] <unai> si
[09:26] <unai> y aparentemente todo esta bien
[09:26] <niblets> no protocol specified
[09:26] <mh> <berniee> hey dude
[09:26] <judaz> hey, does anybody know how to make CARD EXPORT II FOR PALM OS work on edgy eft?
[09:27] <berniee> mh:hehe tha link didnt work
[09:27] <raphink> unai: wifi o ethernet red?
[09:27] <mh>  <berniee> wat does it say?
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[09:27] <mh>  <pentadrago> could it be the dual sharing that cuzes this problem?
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[09:28] <chimaera> speaking a language other than the channel-default might be considered rude. pls query or join the appropriate channel for that language, thanks.
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[09:29] <mh> <berniee> wat does it say dude?
[09:29] <unai> raphink, es ethernet integrada en placa... Portatil Acer aspire 1600
[09:29] <pentadrago> mh: sorry, I don't know it, some strange energy save mode?
[09:29] <berniee> it says deleted..
[09:30] <trappist> unai: /join #ubuntu-es por favor
[09:30] <mh> <berniee> i hope i will find some other link...hold on...
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[09:30] <trappist> unai: #ubuntu es por ingles no mas
[09:31] <trappist> or is that para
[09:31] <unai> esque ahi nadie me ayuda!!!
[09:31] <judaz> unai: que drama tenes?
[09:31] <unai> sino un privado...
[09:31] <unai> Problemas con la targeta de red
[09:31] <unai> En un portatil
[09:31] <trappist> judaz: please encourage unai to take the conversation to #kubuntu-es
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[09:31] <raphink> trappist: no one helps him on #ubuntu-es
[09:31] <trappist> raphink: then judaz should join him there
[09:31] <judaz> trappist: Ok.. ill do that, the thing is that there is nobody there...
[09:32] <unai> judaz, quieres explicarmelo en un privado? que estos se mosquean conmigo...
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[09:32] <trappist> judaz: so meet him there!
[09:32] <judaz> trappist: haha, i'm just a newbie, I don't know what to do..
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[09:32] <trappist> judaz: nobody else here speaks spanish.
[09:32] <trappist> this is an english channel.
[09:32] <judaz> unai: entra a ubuntu-es
[09:32] <raphink> judaz: let's join both of us
[09:32] <unai> ok
[09:32] <raphink> and we can try it
[09:33] <judaz> he says he has a problem with his ethernet on his laptop
[09:33] <pentadrago> mh: nothing mentioned in the system logs? did you try checking the hdd with smart?
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[09:34] <yelonek> sooo
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[09:34] <yelonek> i got kubuntu
[09:34] <yelonek> :P
[09:34] <yelonek> what is interesting in this system ?
[09:35] <trappist> yelonek: depends what you like to do
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[09:35] <yelonek> back in 90's i used to play with dos prompt line
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[09:36] <yelonek> but i can't figure out any linux commad
[09:36] <cpk2> haha linux command line is nothing like dos prompt
[09:36] <yelonek> *command
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[09:36] <redmonkey> if you just wanna play go back to windows:)
[09:36] <yelonek> so i see ;p
[09:36] <cpk2> you dont really need to use a terminal in ubuntu =)
[09:36] <yelonek> is there anything like Linux prompt for dummies ?
[09:37] <unix_infidel> yelonek: you'd be surprised how similar linux is to a dos command line.
[09:37] <trappist> yelonek: http://www.pixelbeat.org/cmdline.html
[09:37] <icheyne> how do I find out exactly what type of RAM I need to buy to upgrade my PC?
[09:37] <pentadrago> whoo, the terminal (running bash of courde) is so much more powerful than the dos prompt
[09:37] <cpk2> a normal joe user should be able to be pretty terminal free
[09:37] <unix_infidel> i use unx utils in cmd and powershell regularly.
[09:37] <icheyne> I have tried lshw but it does not give me enough info
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[09:37] <trappist> icheyne: you'll probably get better and more complete answers to that in #hardware
[09:37] <cpk2> icheyne: you could just look at the stick
[09:38] <trappist> I don't think linux is aware of the kind of ram your pc has/needs
[09:38] <unix_infidel> icheyne: bios should tell you what its rated at.
[09:38] <icheyne> trappist: hmm. What do you suggest - short of opening my box?
[09:38] <icheyne> the ram itself has nothing written on it
[09:38] <cpk2> icheyne: try sudo lshw
[09:38] <icheyne> I have looked for my mobo manual, but I can't find it
[09:38] <trappist> icheyne: I don't have anything short of opening your box, but the #hardware fellas might
[09:38] <yelonek> yeah, i know i should be terminal free
[09:39] <eilker>  i am gonna have  a dedicated server for my web sites, thinking of installing ubuntu-server, but i dont know how to manage it, because there will be no gui, scare of it...any experience with no gui envoriment ?
[09:39] <yelonek> but i wanted to get grip of basics
[09:39] <unix_infidel> icheyne: go into bios.
[09:39] <yelonek> ty trappist
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[09:39] <cpk2> icheyne: actually it looks like sudo lshw still doesnt tell you the speed
[09:39] <trappist> yelonek: there's no virtue in being terminal-free :) the command line is your friend
[09:39] <yelonek> well, that's why i got kubuntu not any other linux
[09:40] <yelonek> i wanted it to be easy to use
[09:40] <cpk2> and i dont think i have seen a stick yet that doesnt have anything written on the stick
[09:40] <unix_infidel> yelonek:  I asked the same questions long ago.  "Getting started" with command line and reading about it....
[09:40] <trappist> yelonek: me too - but sometimes you can get more done on the command line.  it's good stuff to know.
[09:40] <unix_infidel> is REALLY no subsitute for finding a genuine use for it.
[09:40] <unix_infidel> and then practicing its usage.
[09:40] <cpk2> you could try a different distro that pretty much requires cli knowledge
[09:41] <cpk2> like slackware
[09:41] <cpk2> hooray!
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[09:41] <unix_infidel> There's no need for that.  It'll teach you how to setup a linux system, not how to use it.
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[09:41] <redmonkey> archlinux
[09:41] <yelonek> i'm not that interested in linux :P
[09:41] <yelonek> i just read an article about police knocking on some ppl door ;)
[09:42] <yelonek> checking if they got legal software
[09:42] <yelonek> i'm getting angry at microsoft
[09:42] <yelonek> cause there were rumors that they provided data about ppl who were checked
[09:43] <yelonek> ofcourse that wasn't true
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[09:43] <yelonek> but the spokesman for ms "didn't confirm or denied"
[09:44] <redmonkey> uhm is this a linux channel? :)
[09:44] <cpk1> ##linux
[09:44] <yelonek> i got my xp with new computer
[09:44] <yelonek> and can get another one with msdn for free
[09:44] <unix_infidel> yelonek: That's besides the point.  You should spend your time using your OS.
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[09:45] <lenscape> You've got to be stubborn or a bit dim to use Windows these days
[09:45] <yelonek> why ?
[09:45] <yelonek> xp is actually easy to use
[09:45] <yelonek> i got used to it
[09:45] <lenscape> because Linux is so much better and ALL the software is free!
[09:45] <yelonek> but i want to get used to linux ;p
[09:45] <cpk1> yelonek: i would suggest just trying to do mundane things with the command line to get used to it
[09:45] <trappist> lenscape, yelonek: this stuff is great for #kubuntu-offtopic, but this is a support channel
[09:46] <cpk1> do things like mv cp and rm
[09:46] <eilker> hi,  i am gonna have  a dedicated server for my web sites, thinking of installing ubuntu-server, but i dont know how to manage it, because there will be no gui, scare of it...any experience with no gui envoriment ?
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[09:46] <unix_infidel> eilker: most all production servers are non-gui
[09:46] <trappist> eilker: plenty.
[09:47] <lenscape> trappist: I was helping a misguided soul!
[09:47] <reckiem> what stops u from using a GUI?
[09:47] <icheyne> !offtopic
[09:47] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:47] <unix_infidel> Remember, most if not all gui applications use the REVERSE dogma of what you've been exposed to.
[09:47] <eilker> unix_infidel: yes i know, but no experience with it, and scary...
[09:48] <unix_infidel> eilker: why, this is open source.  documentation is REALLY GOOD for server side software.
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[09:48] <yelonek> trappist, so i better move to offtopic, thx
[09:48] <trappist> yelonek: thank you
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[09:49] <redmonkey> eilker: is you are scared better ask someone to set up the server for you
[09:49] <redmonkey> err, if
[09:49] <eilker> unix_infidel: where is the documantation for it? inside the os ? (ubuntu-server)
[09:49] <cpk1> eilker: man programtoreadabout
[09:49] <eilker> redmonkey: that will not be my choice, i am gonna do it
[09:49] <unix_infidel> eilker: That depends on the specific server side stuff.
[09:49] <trappist> eilker: there's lots of documentation that ships with the various applications (web and database servers, etc.) and there's a lot more online.
[09:49] <trappist> eilker: there's also the ubuntu server guide
[09:50] <redmonkey> eilker: good luck
[09:50] <cpk1> eilker: there is nothing stopping you from using a gui to set up your server
[09:50] <eilker> trappsit: i have already read it..
[09:50] <unix_infidel> Side Note: #ubuntu-classroom will be hosting a session SPECIFICALLY devoted to Linux Administration.
[09:50] <unix_infidel> eilker: you might find that worth sitting in on.
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[09:51] <cpk1> unix_infidel: when?
[09:51] <eilker> unix_infidel: thanx for it, i didnt know that room before
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[09:52] <eilker> people i have already dns server, mail server, web server, ftp server , i tried for those in kubuntu, i
[09:52] <eilker> but i feel strange in no-gui enviroment...
[09:53] <jbruckman> has anyone seen the image of firefox melting IE with a flamethrower?
[09:53] <trappist> eilker: if you want to admin a server, you really need to learn your way around the command line and text-based config files and such
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[09:54] <yannick> hi
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[09:54] <eilker> trappist: can i use ssh in non-gui ?
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[09:54] <cpk1> of course you can
[09:54] <gesc> salve
[09:54] <trappist> eilker: of course :)
[09:54] <ganjhack> Quelqu'un parle-il franais sur ce canal ?
[09:55] <trappist> !fr | ganjhack
[09:55] <ubotu> ganjhack: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:55] <ganjhack> tks
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[09:56] <eilker> trappist: i use linux since september :d so that i dont know too much :)
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[09:57] <trappist> eilker: well, like I said, if you want to admin a server, it's time to learn :)
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[09:58] <lupul> hi there. is there anyway to make ATI driver run correctly on edgy?
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[09:58] <lupul> !video driver
[09:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about video driver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:58] <trappist> lupul: in what way is it running incorrectly
[09:59] <trappist> !ati | lupul
[09:59] <ubotu> lupul: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:59] <lupul> k thanks
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[10:00] <eilker> trappist: life is in /etc... for linux, am i right ?
[10:00] <Bulwinkle> is there any way to get newer kernel and modules (i'm running 2.6.17-10-generic
[10:00] <trappist> eilker: config files, yeah
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[10:01] <trappist> Bulwinkle: they generally don't put out new versions of kernels mid-release.  you'd have to look at feisty, which is unreleased and unstable, but where you'll find 2.6.19 kernels
[10:02] <trappist> Bulwinkle: or of course you could roll your own
[10:02] <Bulwinkle> trappist: Been there, done that, failed miserably
[10:02] <trappist> if at first you don't succeed...
[10:02] <chimaera> Bulwinkle: ss: you did something wrong..
[10:02] <Bulwinkle> trappist: don't blow up your laptop again :)
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[10:03] <Bulwinkle> chimaera: obviously...  There are a couple of fixes to a couple of modules I'd like to get incorporated into my system
[10:03] <Bulwinkle> Easy way to do that?
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[10:04] <chimaera> Bulwinkle: a) use proper documentation on ho to build a kernel on debian/ubuntu. b) google for inofficial kernel-repos, might also want to check the ubuntu wiki
[10:04] <Bulwinkle> chimaera: thanks for the help!
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[10:05] <Bulwinkle> I'll probably just wait until feisty isn't so feisty
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[10:05] <chimaera> Bulwinkle: actually, i didn't help in any way.
[10:05] <Bulwinkle> its only 4 months away
[10:06] <Bulwinkle> chimaera: I've seen you around, you usually don't... :)
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[10:06] <chimaera> Bulwinkle: well, i don't think you have, but anyways.
[10:06] <trappist> now, now.
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[10:07] <Bulwinkle> :)
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[10:11] <angasule> !skim
[10:11] <ubotu> skim: smart common input method platform for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.5-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1216 kB, installed size 2620 kB
[10:11] <velle> is it generally possible to open a file on a remote server from a program, using ssh? e.g. "myprogram myserver.dk:file.txt" (or something like that)? this would be an alternative to running ssh -X and executing the program on the remote server, which requires fast internet connections
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[10:12] <chimaera> velle: as long as an kio_slave exists for that type, it shoukd be possible.
[10:12] <trappist> velle: yes
[10:12] <angasule> velle: yes, use the fish protocol, for example, in konqueror, put: fish://server.com  then you can log in, and open any file as if it were local
[10:12] <velle> how? (and im not hard core enough to know what a kio_slave is :) )
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[10:13] <Frederick> folks how do I add the trash icon to my desktop?
[10:13] <trappist> velle: I just say ForwardX11 yes in my ~/.ssh/config, then ssh <host> <command>
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[10:14] <velle> trappist: is that the same as ssh -X, or ...?
[10:14] <pedroca> kubuntu br
[10:14] <pedroca> como acesso?
[10:15] <trappist> velle: ForwardX11 yes is, yeah
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[10:15] <trappist> !pt | pedroca
[10:15] <ubotu> pedroca: Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[10:15] <MalfermitaKodo> Hi
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[10:16] <MalfermitaKodo> Can someone help me to make the < and > key work?
[10:16] <velle> trappist: but that requires a fast connection, and I dont have one, thats the prob :) and that way I need to have the application installed on the remote comp as well
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[10:16] <trappist> velle: I like to use -c blowfish for that, because blowfish is a perfectly secure but much faster compression algorithm than the default, so it's faster for gui stuff
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[10:17] <trappist> velle: well yeah.  that goes for any remote gui stuff (except maybe rdesktop)
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[10:17] <Dan_Edin> how do i install the base build only from the ordinary shipit cds of ubuntu dapper?
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[10:18] <Dan_Edin> in 5.10 i just typed server at bootup. But that option seems to not be available in dapper
[10:18] <trappist> Dan_Edin: don't quote me on it, but I think it's available on the 'alternate install cd'
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[10:19] <Dan_Edin> trappist not on the deafult cds?
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[10:20] <trappist> Dan_Edin: no
[10:20] <Dan_Edin> crap
[10:20] <Dan_Edin> why did they remove that? it was a really cool feature
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[10:21] <trappist> Dan_Edin: it was sacrificed for features they figure most people will find even cooler
[10:21] <trappist> Dan_Edin: but I believe it is still available on the alternate cd
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[10:23] <MalfermitaKodo> Can someone help me to make the < and > key work?
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[10:23] <MalfermitaKodo> I c'n'ped this, but it's really annoing not the have them
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[10:25] <Fragrag> How do I get streaming video on MPlayer?
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[10:25] <Fragrag> wait, nevermind, I didn't read good enough??
[10:26] <Fragrag> ..*
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[10:27] <Dasnipa`> what do you mean MalfermitaKodo ?
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[10:29] <velle> the fish protocol (files transfered over shell) isnt a kde thing right? its general i think?
[10:29] <ccc> MalfermitaKodo: you can set your keyboard in system settings > regional & language > keyboard layout
[10:29] <MalfermitaKodo> yes, not helping
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[10:30] <MalfermitaKodo> I have German, Esperanto and Latvian setting
[10:30] <MalfermitaKodo> in all, this key is not working
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[10:32] <fon_Zograf>   ?
[10:33] <ccc> MalfermitaKodo: it must be set wrong then, it's probably set as something different than a 105-key or whatever you use.
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[10:35] <MalfermitaKodo> ccc: I set it as the same as I did before
[10:36] <moS-uu> #ubuntu.de
[10:36] <moS-uu> #ubuntu-de
[10:37] <moS-uu> oops
[10:37] <MalfermitaKodo> !de | MalfermitaKodo
[10:37] <ubotu> MalfermitaKodo: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:37] <moS-uu> join #ubuntu-de
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[10:37] <moS-uu> mensch
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[10:38] <angasule> can anyone tell me how to get skim to work?
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[10:46] <Necros> Has anyone tried installing Automatix on Herd 1?
[10:47] <LjL> !automatix
[10:47] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
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[10:47] <MalfermitaKodo> !WorksForMe
[10:47] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[10:48] <Necros> Umm.. I'm not sure anyone running Herd 1 is looking for stability.
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[10:48] <luis> hola
[10:49] <Jucato> hm... seems that easyubuntu is a bit (just a bit) more favored than automatix?
[10:49] <TheDebugger> Is it soooo hard to follow the guides on the website?
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[10:50] <Necros> No, its just much, much faster to easyubuntu/automatix
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[10:50] <Jucato> yes, much faster to possibly break your system too :) (at least when upgrading comes...)
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[10:51] <Necros> I fresh install.. that way, I'm never searching for breaks
[10:51] <Necros> I build too much from source, and then the kernel gets all out of wack...
[10:51] <Necros> Ah well...
[10:51] <Schuenemann> hi, how do I install the amsn IM I just downloaded? file name is amsn-0.96-2.tcl84.x86.package
[10:51] <Necros> I'll do it the hard way
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[10:53] <Schuenemann> anyone?
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[10:56] <MalfermitaKodo> Schuenemann: .package????
[10:56] <Schuenemann> how do I install a .package file?
[10:56] <MalfermitaKodo> I have NEVER heard of that
[10:56] <Schuenemann> yeah...
[10:57] <Schuenemann> it's supposed to work in any distro
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[10:58] <MalfermitaKodo> run a "file amsn-0.96-2.tcl84.x86.package" in shell
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[10:58] <Schuenemann> how do I do that? ./amsn-0.96-2.tcl84.x86.package ?
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[10:59] <Riddell> Kubuntu meeting time, in #ubuntu-meeting
[11:00] <Schuenemann> how do I run a shell script when it asks for su?
[11:00] <MalfermitaKodo> Can someone please tell me how I can correctly set my keyboard layout?
[11:00] <julle> is there any quicktime plugin availible for kubuntu? and wmp plugin 4 firefox?
[11:01] <yelonek> su = superuser ?
[11:01] <Schuenemann> yes
[11:02] <Schuenemann> ./filename says permission denied
[11:02] <MalfermitaKodo> su scriptname?
[11:02] <trappist> Schuenemann: sudo sh filename
[11:02] <MalfermitaKodo> right, sh, forgot that
[11:02] <trappist> not su
[11:02] <Schuenemann> me too... thank you
[11:02] <Schuenemann> sudo
[11:03] <Jucato> !sudo
[11:03] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
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[11:03] <MalfermitaKodo> one key is contantly not working :(
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[11:05] <MalfermitaKodo> really annoys me :/
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[11:07] <yelonek> what repository should i add to get gnuplot ?
[11:08] <Jucato> !gnuplot
[11:08] <ubotu> gnuplot: A command-line driven interactive plotting program. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.0.0-3 (edgy), package size 1 kB, installed size 24 kB
[11:08] <Jucato> yelonek: ^^^
[11:08] <Schuenemann> MalfermitaKodo: did you select the correct language and layout?
[11:08] <julle> Is there anyone who knows how to install mplayer webplugin?
[11:08] <yelonek> well, i still don't know ;p
[11:08] <yelonek> w8
[11:08] <yelonek> i'm getting it ;p
[11:08] <MalfermitaKodo> yes, the program tells me it uses "setxkbmap -model pc104 -layout de -variant ro_nodeadkeys"
[11:09] <Jucato> " In component universe,..."
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[11:09] <yelonek> Jucato: yeah, but how to to this ? ;) now i know
[11:10] <yelonek> Jucato: "uncomment following two lines to get ... from universe" gave me a tip
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[11:12] <yelonek> well, i did that
[11:12] <yelonek> but can't find gnuplot anyway
[11:12] <MalfermitaKodo> ah I think I can make it no
[11:12] <MalfermitaKodo> <|>
[11:14] <Jucato> yelonek: Edgy or Dapper?
[11:14] <yelonek> Edgy
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[11:14] <Jucato> hm.. universe should be enabled already by default
[11:14] <Jucato> how are you trying to install it?
[11:15] <bthibault> anybody know how to get the google toolbar to work
[11:15] <bthibault> FF 2.0
[11:15] <yelonek> i run Adept Manager
[11:15] <yelonek> with root rights
[11:16] <yelonek> then i uncommented two lines under string: "uncomment to get universe"
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[11:16] <yelonek> after that apply, close
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[11:16] <yelonek> then search: gnuplot
[11:16] <yelonek> after that just plot
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[11:17] <Jucato> you have to click on "Fetch Updates"
[11:17] <Jucato> first
[11:17] <yelonek> and it finds kmplot and sth with perl
[11:18] <yelonek> lol, that easy ? ;)
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[11:19] <MalfermitaKodo> oh, BTW: what can I use now to install stuff?
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[11:19] <MalfermitaKodo> Do I really need to get used to synaptic?
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[11:20] <Jucato> yelonek: were you able to find it?
[11:20] <cpk1> how do you check if dma is enabled or not again?
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[11:21] <redmonkey> with hdparm
[11:21] <yelonek> Jucato: i'm still dling
[11:21] <Jucato> ok
[11:21] <redmonkey> but dont ask me for the parameters.. just man hdparm
[11:21] <Jucato> heh
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[11:23] <cpk1> thats what i've been doing... i was hoping there was an easy to read config file
[11:23] <Jucato> (google)
[11:24] <Jucato> sudo hdparm -d /dev/xxxx I think
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[11:24] <trappist> and -d1 to turn it on
[11:25] <ehird> :/ nedit won't start on kubuntu
[11:25] <ehird> X Error of failed request:  BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
[11:25] <ehird>   Major opcode of failed request:  70 (X_PolyFillRectangle)
[11:25] <ehird>   Serial number of failed request:  382
[11:25] <ehird>   Current serial number in output stream:  392
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[11:25] <yelonek> thanks Jucato, i found gnuplot and even more
[11:26] <Jucato> np :)
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[11:26] <cpk1> hmm -d didnt output anything...
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[11:28] <trappist> cpk1: what was the exact command you used
[11:28] <cpk1> trappist: sudo hdparm -d /dev/sda1
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[11:28] <redmonkey> sometimes i ask myself why there are manpages at all..
[11:28] <trappist> cpk1: I don't think hdparm works on scsi devices, but if it does, you need sda not sda1
[11:29] <Jucato> redmonkey: they are there for admins :)
[11:29] <redmonkey> oh well, bye
[11:29] <redmonkey> ;)
[11:30] <trappist> cpk1: that is, dma applies to the drive, not the partition
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[11:30] <cpk1> hmm yeah maybe it doesnt work for sata, it says it only works for ata/ide
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[11:31] <cpk1> but i can still set my root mount i suppose
[11:31] <cpk1> is -d supposed to output anything?
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[11:34] <trappist> cpk1: yes, if you run it against an ide drive
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[11:35] <cpk1> wow, if these buffer tests are to be trusted my sata is a bit faster than my ide (more than i would have expected)
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[11:36] <rindolf> Hi all.
[11:36] <Schuenemann> using konqueror to list a local directory, how do I make it list hidden files?
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[11:36] <ehird> hmm
[11:36] <ehird> i've found a bug in the package dependencies
[11:36] <rindolf> Can anyone see if he or she can reproduce http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=27528 ?
[11:36] <ehird> vim and emacs don't cause a collision :)
[11:37] <ehird> it's possible to have them both installed at the same time
[11:37] <ehird> :D
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[11:37] <Jucato> Schuenemann: View menu -> Show Hidden Files
[11:38] <Schuenemann> that was really a silly question
[11:38] <Schuenemann> thanks
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[11:44] <max_> how do you partition off part of your harddrive to do a dual boot?
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[11:46] <yelonek> meh, command line isn't my forte
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[11:46] <yelonek> xp killed my prompt line skills ;)
[11:46] <max_> haha
[11:47] <max_> ive never used XP
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[11:47] <max_> i used 98 when i did use Win
[11:48] <yelonek> yeah, i used 98 too, then i turned to the dark side
[11:48] <yelonek> which was comfortable, but made me lazy
[11:48] <max_> haha
[11:48] <max_> i think its funny how microsoft is screwing itself over with Vista
[11:49] <max_> the lasthing i heard about Vista was its "User Friendly Generic Error Messages" where every error displays the same screen, so it dosnt give you a clue to whats wrong
[11:51] <rindolf> max_: can you try to reproduce http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=27528 on Kubuntu?
[11:51] <reckiem> fake linux integrism
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[11:52] <DrCub> How are you supposed to start KDE?
[11:53] <max_> rindolf: i cant help you, i dont know anything about that
[11:53] <leileiloll> startx?
[11:53] <DrCub> I tried, it didn't start
[11:53] <DrCub> It gave me an error
[11:53] <rindolf> max_: anything about what?
[11:53] <DrCub> It said No screens sound
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[11:54] <max_> rindolf: kmail
[11:54] <rindolf> max_: OK.
[11:54] <Dan_Edin> is there a netinstall iso of ubuntu somewhere?
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[11:56] <DrCub> It also says No device is detected
[11:56] <yelonek> thx for your help
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[11:58] <max_> anyone ever used Mint Linux?
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[12:02] <heinkel_111> how on earth do i find out what kernel i really am using? i mean how, in kubuntu?
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[12:02] <heinkel_111> uname -r just prints out version number and then "generic"
[12:03] <heinkel_111> in dapper i used to get which processor type was attached as well
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[12:03] <heinkel_111> ie, i686, i386 etc
[12:03] <angasule> heinkel_111: uname -a
[12:03] <angasule> heinkel_111: man uname, too
[12:05] <heinkel_111> thank yiou :)
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[12:06] <angasule> you're welcome
[12:07] <flaccid> good old kubuntu
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[12:07] <MalfermitaKodo> Why does it no longer find adept?
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[12:08] <DrCub> Not to be rude or anything, but can you guys please answer the question I asked, I'm in a bit of a hurry
[12:08] <MalfermitaKodo> startx kde
[12:08] <MalfermitaKodo> or what?
[12:09] <DrCub> should I try that?
[12:09] <MalfermitaKodo> if you are in text-ode, yes
[12:09] <Jucato> startkde
[12:09] <MalfermitaKodo> *mode
[12:09] <DrCub> ok thanks
[12:09] <mducharme> DrCub: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[12:09] <DrCub> hold on I'll try it
[12:09] <Jucato> mducharme's answer is more correct, afaik
[12:10] <DrCub> ok
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[12:12] <ailean> doesn't /proc/pci exist any more?
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[12:13] <angasule> ailean: /proc/bus/pci ?