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elkbuntuMitchM, it wasnt resolving and/or refusing connection for a short time last night12:42
MitchMhmm.12:42
MitchMPerhaps upstream problems.12:42
elkbuntuprobably12:42
MitchM=( sorry.12:42
elkbuntuthats ok, was letting you know mor than complaining12:42
MitchMI'm deying ICMP to the server; would you like me to enable that for you?12:43
MitchMfor troubleshooting purposes12:43
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Burgworkhttp://plugment.net/2006/12/02/setting-up-an-edubuntu-thin-client-network-in-a-community-school/01:17
Burgworkhttp://gallimorelearning.blogspot.com/index.html01:25
elkbuntuMitchM, it was only a temporary problem that passed, unless that's likely to affect random events, i wouldnt bother01:31
MitchMok; thanks for informing me elkbuntu 01:32
elkbuntuno problem01:32
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lotusleafI'd love to see the marketing ML included in gmane via nntp: http://gmane.org/subscribe.php04:00
MadpilotI think there are other ubuntu-* lists on gmane already?04:01
lotusleafMadpilot: yup, but not marketing, yet, I believe =)04:01
lotusleafMadpilot: I'm lazy and prefer nntp ;)04:01
Madpilotnntp = Usenet, doesn't it?04:01
lotusleaf!newsgroups04:01
ubotuThere are Ubuntu newsgroups via NNTP at news.gmane.org04:01
lotusleafa good option to check: "If you think that all addresses in this mailing list should be encrypted. This makes addresses look like larsi-SDHSGGHghsdyS@public.gmane.org."04:04
MadpilotWow. Someone on #ubuntu just asked 'what is a mailing list'...04:05
lotusleafheh04:05
tonyyarussohttp://www.linuxinsider.com/story/distros/54507.html04:08
lotusleaftonyyarusso: ya, I read that the other day, it's always refreshing to read positive articles re: ubuntu ;)04:10
tonyyarussolotusleaf: And that don't mention automatix even :)04:10
lotusleafautowho? :) :)04:10
Madpilotautobreakitz04:10
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tonyyarussohehe04:10
tonyyarusso"Breaks everything all on it's own, no effort required!"04:11
Madpilotthe most popular bad idea Linux has ever seen04:11
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lotusleafI never used that, or any other of the 3rd party wizard-like install tools anyway, I believe people should learn how to properly use synaptic and/or adept/aptitude/etc. and adding proper repos and such to sources.list which they only have to do once rather than trusting some 3rd party tool and hoping it will continue to work properly and be updated04:12
Madpilotponingru, just start writing. Seriously, join the docteam ML, ask what there is to do, and be buried in to-do lists :)04:12
lotusleafwhich they only have to do once* (learn how to do once, anyway)04:12
poningruto-do list?04:13
poningruwhere is this list?04:13
poningruthe one I found refered to completing hoary docs I was like wtf04:13
tonyyarussoIn Madpilot's head04:13
Madpilotponingru, there should be something on wiki.u.c somewhere; if not, check the docteam ML archives04:14
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poningruhmm04:17
poningrulots of grey matter04:17
poningruhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Projects04:17
poningruthis is the todo list I found04:17
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lotusleafis anyone able to access snews.gmane.org at port 563 in a news reader?05:21
lotusleafah, cool, it exists now :) gmane.linux.ubuntu.marketing05:30
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nixternaltwas the night before morrow morning, and all through #ubuntu-marketing, nothing was stirring, not even ubotu07:16
Burgundaviayep07:20
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BurgundaviaI have been avoiding the UWN tonight as well07:20
lotusleafo_o07:20
nixternalyay intertubes07:21
elkbuntuBurgundavia, if there was oxygen in this here air, i might be more inspired to get us workin, but the whole freaking state is a smokehouse07:23
Burgundaviawhy so?07:23
elkbuntubushfires07:23
elkbuntuones that need rain to extinguish07:23
Burgundaviaah07:23
Burgundaviabloody hell my machine slows down during updating07:24
nixternalswitch to Kubuntu. I don't have that issue07:24
elkbuntumine almost freezes if i use update-manager07:24
nixternal;p07:24
Burgundaviathe issue is the gconf updates during updating07:24
elkbuntuyeh, the kubuntu updater thing works a crapload smoother07:24
nixternalwho uses gui stuff to update anyways07:25
Burgundaviathey made it faster at runtime, at the cost of slower to update07:25
nixternalctrl+~ brings down my yakuake, and i apt-get with a smile07:25
elkbuntuBurgundavia, im happy with that. i like to be able to use my machine07:25
lotusleafyes, yes, switch to kubuntu.. kubuntu = my preciousssssssssssssssssssss07:27
tonyyarussoresist!07:27
lotusleafI wonder if nethack would run in yakuake07:28
Burgundavianever07:28
Burgundaviatried it in the hoary days, decided it was crap and I going to base my entire opinions on that one time :)07:28
poningruyarr07:28
poningruwhat are we talking about?07:28
Burgundaviakde vs gnome07:29
lotusleafponingru: Burgundavia's Kubuntu conversion07:29
poningruouch07:29
nixternalwoohoo07:29
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elkbuntuBurgundavia, hehe you and i are so alike in that aspect that it's not funny07:29
elkbuntuyeah, i'd do that too07:29
poningru...07:29
poningruthat was mean07:29
lotusleaflol07:29
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elkbunturofl07:29
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lotusleaf;_o07:30
elkbuntuwrong button, dear?07:30
poningrubetter be07:30
poningrumy roomate does that to our other roomate07:30
elkbuntu<elkbuntu> Burgundavia, hehe you and i are so alike in that aspect that it's not funny07:30
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elkbuntu<elkbuntu> yeah, i'd do that too07:30
Burgundavianope, updating NM causes it to reconnect07:30
poningruah07:30
elkbuntuhe has such a wonderful relationship with NM07:31
Burgundaviabut yes, compiz pisses me off07:31
Burgundaviano, NM has a wonderful relationship with madwifi07:31
elkbuntu... you haven't got rid of it yet?07:31
Burgundaviamuch like my last ex: we loved each other 90% of the time and absolutely hated each other the other 1007:31
Burgundaviawhat, that shut everybody up?07:34
elkbuntuseems so07:34
elkbuntumaybe they're working on UWN?07:34
Burgundaviageez, mention exes and everybody starts staring at the wall07:34
elkbuntuBurgundavia, dude, you mentioned relationships to geeks...07:35
elkbuntuwhat did you expect?07:35
elkbuntus/relationships/human relationships/07:35
nixternallol07:36
Burgundaviasome of us lead mostly normally lives07:36
nixternalheh, my divorce all i asked for was the computers07:36
nixternali traded a brand new house for my computers07:36
elkbunturofl07:36
nixternali am going to visit it for x-mas though07:36
nixternalwoohoo, someone bought one of my books on amazon07:37
nixternalprobably the $.75 USD book07:37
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elkbuntuBurgundavia, well, he is madly in love with kde, it figures07:39
Burgundaviasad but true07:39
Burgundaviasweet, under 100 unread messages07:39
tonyyarussonixternal: You have books?07:39
Burgundaviapower through these and then I can dig into the UWN07:39
Burgundaviaelkbuntu: can you power into gobby and copy over 24?07:40
tonyyarussoelkbuntu: s/human relationships/human in-person relationships/07:40
nixternalnot any more..sold them07:41
elkbuntutonyyarusso, ahaha. yes07:41
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elkbunturofl07:41
Burgundaviaoh, ugh: 201 - 278 of 278 <-- UWN queue07:42
poningrublargh?07:42
tonyyarussoSay....the software that runs Planet is in the repos, right?  So as long as all of the blogs I read have RSS feeds, I could make a bookmark for http://localhost/planet rather than going and reading them all, right?07:42
poningrutonyyarusso: yep07:43
poningruthe problem though07:43
tonyyarussoponingru: Friggin' sweet!07:43
poningruis that planet sucks07:43
tonyyarussoWait, why?07:43
poningruas in management etc.07:43
tonyyarussoIt does?07:43
poningruyep07:43
tonyyarussoHow bad are we talking?07:43
poningruhmm07:43
poningrunot Exchange bad07:44
poningrubut worse than sobby07:44
tonyyarussohaha07:44
poningrusomewhere in between07:44
poningru;)07:44
tonyyarussohmm07:44
poningruits true though07:44
tonyyarussoWell, here's the problem:07:44
poningruwhy dont you just use a feed reader?07:44
poningrusage for firefox is really good07:45
tonyyarussob/c I like the web page format of planet from the visitor standpoint?07:45
tonyyarussohaha, apt-cache search sage has 996 results07:45
tonyyarussoponingru: I'll look into it07:46
poningrudoubt you would find sage in the repos07:46
tonyyarussofirefox-sage07:46
tonyyarusso:)07:46
poningruhttps://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/77/07:46
poningruoh wow07:46
elkbuntuBurgundavia, its in gobby now07:46
Burgundaviacool07:46
elkbuntuwas like 3 mins ago, just forgot to say07:46
tonyyarussoI might have to leave Xanga if a) the CC ever considers membership applications this century or figures out who else will, and b) I don't figure out how to have a tag-specific feed with Xanga, since a lot of my posts would annoy Ubuntu Planet folks.  Problem being 95% of my friends with blogs are on Xanga, so it's convenient to read my subscriptions there.07:48
Burgundaviatonyyarusso: CC is going to meet again, don't worry07:48
Burgundaviabeginning to drop stuff into the UWN from my queue07:48
tonyyarussoBurgundavia: Tuesday, but Seveas said they might not do membership applications.07:49
Burgundavialikely not, due to time constraints07:49
elkbuntuthe potential process changes as well07:49
tonyyarussoSo the next time for that is still ???07:49
tonyyarusso:(07:49
elkbuntutonyyarusso, dont worry, it'll happen eventually07:50
tonyyarussoelkbuntu: Well, yeah07:50
Burgundaviadon't worry, I won't forget you07:50
tonyyarussoelkbuntu: But "This Tuesday when my schedule is actually open for once in a blue moon" compared to "eventually" is what I'm :( about ;)07:50
poningrutonyyarusso: baah who cares07:50
BurgundaviaI have several good reasons for sheparding you through, both from the -marketing and canada side07:50
tonyyarussoBurgundavia: :)07:51
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tonyyarussoMostly it's just a scheduling thing07:51
tonyyarussoI get a little shocked when there's one I can actually make07:51
poningruI just dont see the big deal behind it07:51
tonyyarussoponingru: You must not know about the winter retreats to Mark's secret resort07:51
lotusleafI'd love to become an ubuntu member, but I rather enjoy just using the nick lotusleaf and not giving out my name, so I'll remain a friendly demon in the shadows ;)07:52
tonyyarussolotusleaf: Yeah, well I've long since given up on internet anonomynity - check Google ;)07:53
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lotusleaftonyyarusso: I don't see my real name with google =)07:54
tonyyarussolotusleaf: No, I mean you'll get a truckload of results for me07:54
poningruhehe yeah07:54
lotusleaftonyyarusso: well you used it to begin with then, right? :)07:54
poningrume too07:54
poningruwith my freeculture work07:54
poningruI think I am in a times article somewhere too07:55
Burgundaviathere is all kinds of stuff to write about in the UWN07:55
lotusleafBurgundavia: indeed, so crack that whip!07:55
BurgundaviaI enjoy every second, trust nme07:56
lotusleaf:D07:56
tonyyarussolotusleaf: Well, besides online stuff I think there's a few from my high school and the BSA07:56
lotusleaftonyyarusso: that's why it pays to be raised by wolves07:57
Burgundaviahere is my goal for the next hour: write the entire UWN excepting the Feisty changes and the mark article07:57
lotusleaftonyyarusso: well, aside from the walking on all fours bit07:57
tonyyarussoBurgundavia: Mark article?07:57
Burgundaviathe SUSE thing07:58
elkbuntuBurgundavia, do you not trust yourself with the mark article?07:58
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tonyyarussoWe have UWN in French now?07:59
elkbuntuwhen someone translates it, sure08:00
Burgundaviaelkbuntu: no, I want to write it as a consensus08:00
Burgundaviaand we don't have time tonight08:00
Burgundaviawe can tomorrow, after I get home from watching Daniel Craig's delectable ass08:01
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Burgundaviaponingru: about what?08:03
poningrudoing it tomorrow/today08:03
poningruso we are releasing it tomorrow?08:04
Burgundaviatomorrow08:04
Burgundaviaok, ephy just malfed my fonts *again*08:04
tonyyarussoponingru: Advantages of sage over just FF live bookmarks?08:07
lotusleaftonyyarusso: check it out and see08:09
lotusleaftonyyarusso: for one thing, it loads more than a simple drop-down listing of live-bookmarks ;)08:09
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tonyyarussoOh well, at least it means they're learning08:10
tonyyarussoA while back people found out my mom reads my blog, which has links to my friends blogs, and a bunch of them got all pissed at me.  Which begs the response, "you have, um, heard of Google, right?"08:11
tonyyarussoLots of idiots on the internet...08:11
lotusleaftonyyarusso: yup, which is why I have certain sites in my hosts file, including myspace =)08:12
Burgundaviayou slackers writing?08:13
lotusleafBurgundavia: no whip cracked above me, so I'm dancing atm08:13
poningrutonyyarusso: its an actually feed reader08:13
tonyyarussoponingru: Oh, it's still going to make me click each one eh?08:16
Burgundaviaah, frak. bloody compiz died on me08:16
elkbuntuBurgundavia, really? that's surprising!08:17
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Burgundaviayou are all shocked, I am sure08:17
lotusleafand here I was just going to ask if I should try compiz08:17
poningrutonyyarusso: I think there is an option to display it all08:18
tonyyarussoponingru: Hmm, I'll poke around mor08:18
tonyyarussoe08:18
tonyyarussoponingru: I'm definitely not seeing one08:19
poningruhmm08:20
lotusleafBurgundavia: do you use compiz from the repos? How does that differ from Beryl?08:21
Burgundaviathey both suck, compiz sucks less08:21
Burgundaviacompiz has sane developers08:22
lotusleafheh, cool, I'll check it, thx08:22
Burgundavianote that compiz in edgy is compiz-quinn ie beryl08:22
lotusleafreally? I didn't think beryl was in the official repos08:22
lotusleafI don't see such a package08:23
Burgundavianot yet08:24
Burgundaviapackagers are dealing with the braindead dumb things it does08:25
lotusleafBurgundavia: so compiz as of now in the repos should be ok to toy with?08:25
Burgundaviayes08:25
Burgundaviaif you like crashes, annoying bugs and ripping out your hair08:25
lotusleafk thx, I look forward to filing bug reports =)08:25
lotusleafwow it crashes that often?08:26
poningruhmm weird08:26
poningruunder deb it doesnt crash at all08:26
Burgundaviaat least once a night08:26
poningruat all == less than once a week08:26
Burgundaviasome of those issues are buggy drivers08:26
lotusleafBurgundavia: does it bring down everything with a hard lock?08:26
Burgundavianah08:26
Burgundaviajust disappears08:26
poningrumy friend is running it on his tiny lappy08:27
lotusleafnice08:27
Burgundaviausually when I remember to switch back to metacity08:27
lotusleafBurgundavia: so I just install compiz in repo and relogin to KDE and that's it it's all setup? no voodoo like with the beryl setup guide?08:27
tonyyarussoponingru: Do you see the option anywhere on your machine?08:27
lotusleafI'll check the wiki re: compiz I suppose 08:27
Burgundaviainstall it and then type compiz --replace08:27
lotusleafBurgundavia: k thx =)08:28
Burgundaviabut you need to write some UWN08:28
lotusleaf:-)08:28
lotusleafyes, yes I do..08:28
lotusleafbut what part of it, I don't know... ?08:28
Burgundaviaright08:29
Burgundaviabeginning of the in the press section08:29
Burgundaviathere are three articles08:29
lotusleaflinky?08:29
Burgundavialinks, rather08:29
Burgundaviaah, in gobby08:29
lotusleafk08:29
Burgundaviaelkbuntu: when you note it is in gobby, please nuke the entire page and place a link to the /Editing page08:30
poningrutonyyarusso: nope my friend uses it08:30
tonyyarussoponingru: ah08:30
poningruI remember him doing something like that 08:30
poningruI think08:30
lotusleafhmm.. I haven't used gobby yet :P08:33
tonyyarussoponingru: any chance they're online?08:33
poningrutonyyarusso: #gatorlug gavinbaker08:34
poningrumight be in #freeculture08:34
poningrulooks like he isnt online08:34
tonyyarussoah well08:34
lotusleafso I'll bury my head in the virtual sand in silence so others can work on UWN :)08:36
tonyyarussolotusleaf: Dapper or Edgy?08:39
lotusleaftonyyarusso: ?08:41
tonyyarussolotusleaf: Dapper needs a special Gobby build; Edgy's is just plug in and go08:41
lotusleaftonyyarusso: oh, edgy, but I'm too tired to gaze on a new program atm, compiz included =)08:41
poningrusee I have been thinking about running the older and newer sobby on the server08:42
tonyyarussolotusleaf: ah08:42
lotusleaftonyyarusso: I'll check out gobby tomorrow so I can start contributing to uwn for real08:42
poningrubut I cant find an ebuild for the older sobby08:42
lotusleaftonyyarusso: but thx for the details =)08:42
poningruI should just write one08:42
tonyyarussoponingru: Apparently there's versions of planet in Ruby and Python, but Edgy only has the Ruby one?08:43
poningruhmm havent looked at that one08:46
poningruI have only dealt with the python one08:46
poningruwhat do we have to do in gobby?08:47
poningruis there a list?08:47
poningrulike last time?08:47
tonyyarussoponingru: Have you used the python on on Ubuntu?08:48
poningrua little08:48
tonyyarussoponingru: Was it in the repos?08:49
poningruoh no I havent used the python one08:49
tonyyarussooh08:49
poningruI thought you were asking have I used the /bin/python in ubuntu08:49
tonyyarussodoh08:49
tonyyarussos/on on/one on/08:49
poningru:)08:50
poningrunope08:50
poningruBurgundavia, elkbuntu 08:50
poningruis there a list?08:50
Burgundaviaof?08:50
poningrunm I see it08:50
poningrulike last time08:50
Burgundaviatodo list?08:51
BurgundaviaI just created one08:51
poningruok08:51
poningruyou did?08:52
Burgundaviavery top of article08:52
poningruI see it08:52
poningruthnx08:57
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poningrucan you check over my first in the press?09:00
lotusleafBurgundavia: there's no compiz-kde package :) so much for that09:11
poningruBurgundavia: I think the in the press stuff is done09:26
Burgundaviacool, thaniks09:26
Burgundaviaabout to head to be09:26
Burgundaviabed, rather09:26
poningrunn09:26
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elkbuntug'nite Burgundavia09:30
lotusleafBurgundavia: don't let the demons bite ;)09:33
tonyyarussoponingru: I'm attempting planet to see how it compares - any idea how to make times my local timezone?09:35
poningruno clue sorry09:38
poningruI was handed down the install09:38
poningruask paulproteus in #freeculture he would know09:38
tonyyarussoponingru: Thanks09:41
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MenZajenda02:00
MenZaGuess what I'm doing ;)02:00
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jendaponingru: ping04:12
poningrujenda: pong04:32
jendaponingru: see email04:32
jendayou should be getting notification now.04:32
poningrufrom jane?04:32
jendayes, and from me04:33
jendathe last one you didn't get - it was from Jane and said 'done'.04:33
poningrufrom you?04:33
poningruah ok04:33
jendaYep, i had your addy there changed to the one you use.04:33
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poningruwtf I have a @ubuntu account?04:34
poningrusince when?04:34
jendaI thought you did...04:35
jendaWeren't you approved as an Ubuntu member?04:35
jendaaha... not yet :)04:36
jendaponingru: must have been my mistake, sorry.04:36
poningruhehe is cool04:38
jendayou can start by clearing the queue that's built up :-)04:38
jendahehe04:38
jendaIt's getting really bad - at least 10/day, even though spamassassin should've tightened the gates...04:39
poningruk04:45
jendawow, I didn't expect you to really do it ;)04:47
jendathanks, poningru 04:47
jendaThe way I usually do it is that I look through the day's batch, and don't react if it's spam, until about 10 pile up, or a non-spam message comes in.04:48
poningruhehe04:48
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MenZajenda: I have some good news, and some bad news04:55
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jendauh oh05:13
jendaThat was the bad news... now what's the good news, MenZa? :)05:14
MenZaxD05:14
MenZaThe goods news05:14
MenZaI've done the 1,000 envelope stickers05:14
MenZaThe bad news... is that the coloured ones can't be done until we've had our printer cleaned05:14
MenZaWhich might be as early as tomorrow05:14
jendaThe colored ones would be the big logos, and the long white ones, right?05:15
MenZacorrect05:17
MenZathe colours aren't mixed properly05:17
jendaI see.05:18
jendaDo you think I could ask for a few extra Kubuntu and Xubuntu stickers?05:18
jendaI'll send you a Czech Ubuntu t-shirt with the other shirt I'll be sending ;)05:18
MenZajenda: :D05:19
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jendaI'd be happy with about 50 of each05:19
MenZajenda: sure, I can05:19
jendasatisfied with less ;)05:19
MenZaI'll do around 100 then, depends how many I can squeeze in05:19
jendaneat-o :)05:19
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Burgworkhey looksaus11:54
looksaushi Burgwork 11:54
Burgworkwhich locoteam are you?11:54
looksausBelgium11:54
Burgworkare you looking at press releases or articles?11:55
looksauseven more general, we are a small country11:55
Burgworkright11:55
looksausso it's not so difficult for us to grab national press attention11:56
Burgworkthe best way to get press is to do something11:56
looksauswe already have quite a bit of pr writing experience and hel11:56
looksausp11:56
looksaussucceeded amongst others in getting coverage for Dapper Launch in the second most read newspaper in the country11:56
Burgworkcool, you are ahead of most11:57
Burgworkhow did that contact happen?11:57
Burgworkgiven you are so small, you can probably just meet the reporters in person11:57
Burgworkmaybe hold an open day for press, etc?11:58
looksausyes, certainly11:58
looksausonly we are geeks of course11:59
Burgworkfind a sales-geek, like myself11:59
looksausso we need some training for the spoken word to bring it to the public11:59
Burgwork"training on the spoken word"?11:59
looksauswe were thinking more of educating our existing volunteer base11:59
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Burgworka "how to market Ubuntu" session?11:59
Burgworkwe should probably have something on irc, for all locoteams12:00
BurgworkI would be willing to teach, if you want to set it up12:00
looksausthere are a lot of jobs to be done that are in their essence non-technical12:00
looksausand that require different skills12:00
Burgworkindeed it does12:01
looksausthat is, if you want to tackle the marketing side more then before12:01
looksausbased upon our experiences at trade fairs12:02
Burgworkindeed12:03
looksaus(I organised about 7 or 8, the fr_be guys did about 3 to this day)12:03
jendaGuys, I'm gathering ideas for individual marketing campaigns or 'feats' for the DIY Website. If you come up with anything that you're willing to put down in text, please do. :)12:03
Burgworkright12:03
looksausI see there is a _big_ need for live interaction12:03
looksauserr, training on live interaction12:03
looksausand foundations underneath that12:04
Burgworklooksaus: if you want to lay out a date, I can help organize the training on that12:04
looksausBurgwork, it might be a nice starting point12:04
looksausbut we probably need someone live on location12:04
BurgworkI do sales and have done many tradeshows in my work12:04
looksausand only after we have (together with you maybe)12:05
BurgworkI live in Canada, so that is a little difficult12:05
looksausdefined a basic direction on where we want to go, how we are going to stimulate Ubuntu adoption through better marketing12:05
looksausBurgwork, I know...12:05
BurgworkI was thinking an IRC learning session on who to train other volunteers to be good booth people12:05
looksausmight be interesting12:06
looksausbasicly what we did (I documented this in the Computer Fair howto wiki page)12:06
looksauswas role play before the fair started12:06
Burgworkwhen is a good date? lets set one up right now12:06
looksausand observing each other during the fair12:07
looksausBurgwork, I think we are not ready for it yet12:07
Burgworkfor an irc training session? why not?12:07
looksausmuch as I appreciate your offer12:07
BurgworkI was thinking for all the locoteams, not just yours12:07

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