[12:42] <elkbuntu> MitchM, it wasnt resolving and/or refusing connection for a short time last night
[12:42] <MitchM> hmm.
[12:42] <MitchM> Perhaps upstream problems.
[12:42] <elkbuntu> probably
[12:42] <MitchM> =( sorry.
[12:42] <elkbuntu> thats ok, was letting you know mor than complaining
[12:43] <MitchM> I'm deying ICMP to the server; would you like me to enable that for you?
[12:43] <MitchM> for troubleshooting purposes
[01:17] <Burgwork> http://plugment.net/2006/12/02/setting-up-an-edubuntu-thin-client-network-in-a-community-school/
[01:25] <Burgwork> http://gallimorelearning.blogspot.com/index.html
[01:31] <elkbuntu> MitchM, it was only a temporary problem that passed, unless that's likely to affect random events, i wouldnt bother
[01:32] <MitchM> ok; thanks for informing me elkbuntu 
[01:32] <elkbuntu> no problem
[04:00] <lotusleaf> I'd love to see the marketing ML included in gmane via nntp: http://gmane.org/subscribe.php
[04:01] <Madpilot> I think there are other ubuntu-* lists on gmane already?
[04:01] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: yup, but not marketing, yet, I believe =)
[04:01] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: I'm lazy and prefer nntp ;)
[04:01] <Madpilot> nntp = Usenet, doesn't it?
[04:01] <lotusleaf> !newsgroups
[04:01] <ubotu> There are Ubuntu newsgroups via NNTP at news.gmane.org
[04:04] <lotusleaf> a good option to check: "If you think that all addresses in this mailing list should be encrypted. This makes addresses look like larsi-SDHSGGHghsdyS@public.gmane.org."
[04:05] <Madpilot> Wow. Someone on #ubuntu just asked 'what is a mailing list'...
[04:05] <lotusleaf> heh
[04:08] <tonyyarusso> http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/distros/54507.html
[04:10] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: ya, I read that the other day, it's always refreshing to read positive articles re: ubuntu ;)
[04:10] <tonyyarusso> lotusleaf: And that don't mention automatix even :)
[04:10] <lotusleaf> autowho? :) :)
[04:10] <Madpilot> autobreakitz
[04:10] <tonyyarusso> hehe
[04:11] <tonyyarusso> "Breaks everything all on it's own, no effort required!"
[04:11] <Madpilot> the most popular bad idea Linux has ever seen
[04:12] <lotusleaf> I never used that, or any other of the 3rd party wizard-like install tools anyway, I believe people should learn how to properly use synaptic and/or adept/aptitude/etc. and adding proper repos and such to sources.list which they only have to do once rather than trusting some 3rd party tool and hoping it will continue to work properly and be updated
[04:12] <Madpilot> poningru, just start writing. Seriously, join the docteam ML, ask what there is to do, and be buried in to-do lists :)
[04:12] <lotusleaf> which they only have to do once* (learn how to do once, anyway)
[04:13] <poningru> to-do list?
[04:13] <poningru> where is this list?
[04:13] <poningru> the one I found refered to completing hoary docs I was like wtf
[04:13] <tonyyarusso> In Madpilot's head
[04:14] <Madpilot> poningru, there should be something on wiki.u.c somewhere; if not, check the docteam ML archives
[04:17] <poningru> hmm
[04:17] <poningru> lots of grey matter
[04:17] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Projects
[04:17] <poningru> this is the todo list I found
[05:21] <lotusleaf> is anyone able to access snews.gmane.org at port 563 in a news reader?
[05:30] <lotusleaf> ah, cool, it exists now :) gmane.linux.ubuntu.marketing
[07:16] <nixternal> twas the night before morrow morning, and all through #ubuntu-marketing, nothing was stirring, not even ubotu
[07:20] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:20] <Burgundavia> I have been avoiding the UWN tonight as well
[07:20] <lotusleaf> o_o
[07:21] <nixternal> yay intertubes
[07:23] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, if there was oxygen in this here air, i might be more inspired to get us workin, but the whole freaking state is a smokehouse
[07:23] <Burgundavia> why so?
[07:23] <elkbuntu> bushfires
[07:23] <elkbuntu> ones that need rain to extinguish
[07:23] <Burgundavia> ah
[07:24] <Burgundavia> bloody hell my machine slows down during updating
[07:24] <nixternal> switch to Kubuntu. I don't have that issue
[07:24] <elkbuntu> mine almost freezes if i use update-manager
[07:24] <nixternal> ;p
[07:24] <Burgundavia> the issue is the gconf updates during updating
[07:24] <elkbuntu> yeh, the kubuntu updater thing works a crapload smoother
[07:25] <nixternal> who uses gui stuff to update anyways
[07:25] <Burgundavia> they made it faster at runtime, at the cost of slower to update
[07:25] <nixternal> ctrl+~ brings down my yakuake, and i apt-get with a smile
[07:25] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, im happy with that. i like to be able to use my machine
[07:27] <lotusleaf> yes, yes, switch to kubuntu.. kubuntu = my preciousssssssssssssssssssss
[07:27] <tonyyarusso> resist!
[07:28] <lotusleaf> I wonder if nethack would run in yakuake
[07:28] <Burgundavia> never
[07:28] <Burgundavia> tried it in the hoary days, decided it was crap and I going to base my entire opinions on that one time :)
[07:28] <poningru> yarr
[07:28] <poningru> what are we talking about?
[07:29] <Burgundavia> kde vs gnome
[07:29] <lotusleaf> poningru: Burgundavia's Kubuntu conversion
[07:29] <poningru> ouch
[07:29] <nixternal> woohoo
[07:29] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, hehe you and i are so alike in that aspect that it's not funny
[07:29] <elkbuntu> yeah, i'd do that too
[07:29] <poningru> ...
[07:29] <poningru> that was mean
[07:29] <lotusleaf> lol
[07:29] <elkbuntu> rofl
[07:30] <lotusleaf> ;_o
[07:30] <elkbuntu> wrong button, dear?
[07:30] <poningru> better be
[07:30] <poningru> my roomate does that to our other roomate
 Burgundavia, hehe you and i are so alike in that aspect that it's not funny
[07:30] <elkbuntu> * Burgundavia has quit ("Ex-Chat")
 yeah, i'd do that too
[07:30] <Burgundavia> nope, updating NM causes it to reconnect
[07:30] <poningru> ah
[07:31] <elkbuntu> he has such a wonderful relationship with NM
[07:31] <Burgundavia> but yes, compiz pisses me off
[07:31] <Burgundavia> no, NM has a wonderful relationship with madwifi
[07:31] <elkbuntu> ... you haven't got rid of it yet?
[07:31] <Burgundavia> much like my last ex: we loved each other 90% of the time and absolutely hated each other the other 10
[07:34] <Burgundavia> what, that shut everybody up?
[07:34] <elkbuntu> seems so
[07:34] <elkbuntu> maybe they're working on UWN?
[07:34] <Burgundavia> geez, mention exes and everybody starts staring at the wall
[07:35] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, dude, you mentioned relationships to geeks...
[07:35] <elkbuntu> what did you expect?
[07:35] <elkbuntu> s/relationships/human relationships/
[07:36] <nixternal> lol
[07:36] <Burgundavia> some of us lead mostly normally lives
[07:36] <nixternal> heh, my divorce all i asked for was the computers
[07:36] <nixternal> i traded a brand new house for my computers
[07:36] <elkbuntu> rofl
[07:36] <nixternal> i am going to visit it for x-mas though
[07:37] <nixternal> woohoo, someone bought one of my books on amazon
[07:37] <nixternal> probably the $.75 USD book
[07:39] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, well, he is madly in love with kde, it figures
[07:39] <Burgundavia> sad but true
[07:39] <Burgundavia> sweet, under 100 unread messages
[07:39] <tonyyarusso> nixternal: You have books?
[07:39] <Burgundavia> power through these and then I can dig into the UWN
[07:40] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: can you power into gobby and copy over 24?
[07:40] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: s/human relationships/human in-person relationships/
[07:41] <nixternal> not any more..sold them
[07:41] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, ahaha. yes
[07:41] <elkbuntu> rofl
[07:42] <Burgundavia> oh, ugh: 201 - 278 of 278 <-- UWN queue
[07:42] <poningru> blargh?
[07:42] <tonyyarusso> Say....the software that runs Planet is in the repos, right?  So as long as all of the blogs I read have RSS feeds, I could make a bookmark for http://localhost/planet rather than going and reading them all, right?
[07:43] <poningru> tonyyarusso: yep
[07:43] <poningru> the problem though
[07:43] <tonyyarusso> poningru: Friggin' sweet!
[07:43] <poningru> is that planet sucks
[07:43] <tonyyarusso> Wait, why?
[07:43] <poningru> as in management etc.
[07:43] <tonyyarusso> It does?
[07:43] <poningru> yep
[07:43] <tonyyarusso> How bad are we talking?
[07:43] <poningru> hmm
[07:44] <poningru> not Exchange bad
[07:44] <poningru> but worse than sobby
[07:44] <tonyyarusso> haha
[07:44] <poningru> somewhere in between
[07:44] <poningru> ;)
[07:44] <tonyyarusso> hmm
[07:44] <poningru> its true though
[07:44] <tonyyarusso> Well, here's the problem:
[07:44] <poningru> why dont you just use a feed reader?
[07:45] <poningru> sage for firefox is really good
[07:45] <tonyyarusso> b/c I like the web page format of planet from the visitor standpoint?
[07:45] <tonyyarusso> haha, apt-cache search sage has 996 results
[07:46] <tonyyarusso> poningru: I'll look into it
[07:46] <poningru> doubt you would find sage in the repos
[07:46] <tonyyarusso> firefox-sage
[07:46] <tonyyarusso> :)
[07:46] <poningru> https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/77/
[07:46] <poningru> oh wow
[07:46] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, its in gobby now
[07:46] <Burgundavia> cool
[07:46] <elkbuntu> was like 3 mins ago, just forgot to say
[07:48] <tonyyarusso> I might have to leave Xanga if a) the CC ever considers membership applications this century or figures out who else will, and b) I don't figure out how to have a tag-specific feed with Xanga, since a lot of my posts would annoy Ubuntu Planet folks.  Problem being 95% of my friends with blogs are on Xanga, so it's convenient to read my subscriptions there.
[07:48] <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: CC is going to meet again, don't worry
[07:48] <Burgundavia> beginning to drop stuff into the UWN from my queue
[07:49] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: Tuesday, but Seveas said they might not do membership applications.
[07:49] <Burgundavia> likely not, due to time constraints
[07:49] <elkbuntu> the potential process changes as well
[07:49] <tonyyarusso> So the next time for that is still ???
[07:49] <tonyyarusso> :(
[07:50] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, dont worry, it'll happen eventually
[07:50] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: Well, yeah
[07:50] <Burgundavia> don't worry, I won't forget you
[07:50] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: But "This Tuesday when my schedule is actually open for once in a blue moon" compared to "eventually" is what I'm :( about ;)
[07:50] <poningru> tonyyarusso: baah who cares
[07:50] <Burgundavia> I have several good reasons for sheparding you through, both from the -marketing and canada side
[07:51] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: :)
[07:51] <tonyyarusso> Mostly it's just a scheduling thing
[07:51] <tonyyarusso> I get a little shocked when there's one I can actually make
[07:51] <poningru> I just dont see the big deal behind it
[07:51] <tonyyarusso> poningru: You must not know about the winter retreats to Mark's secret resort
[07:52] <lotusleaf> I'd love to become an ubuntu member, but I rather enjoy just using the nick lotusleaf and not giving out my name, so I'll remain a friendly demon in the shadows ;)
[07:53] <tonyyarusso> lotusleaf: Yeah, well I've long since given up on internet anonomynity - check Google ;)
[07:54] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: I don't see my real name with google =)
[07:54] <tonyyarusso> lotusleaf: No, I mean you'll get a truckload of results for me
[07:54] <poningru> hehe yeah
[07:54] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: well you used it to begin with then, right? :)
[07:54] <poningru> me too
[07:54] <poningru> with my freeculture work
[07:55] <poningru> I think I am in a times article somewhere too
[07:55] <Burgundavia> there is all kinds of stuff to write about in the UWN
[07:55] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: indeed, so crack that whip!
[07:56] <Burgundavia> I enjoy every second, trust nme
[07:56] <lotusleaf> :D
[07:56] <tonyyarusso> lotusleaf: Well, besides online stuff I think there's a few from my high school and the BSA
[07:57] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: that's why it pays to be raised by wolves
[07:57] <Burgundavia> here is my goal for the next hour: write the entire UWN excepting the Feisty changes and the mark article
[07:57] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: well, aside from the walking on all fours bit
[07:57] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: Mark article?
[07:58] <Burgundavia> the SUSE thing
[07:58] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, do you not trust yourself with the mark article?
[07:59] <tonyyarusso> We have UWN in French now?
[08:00] <elkbuntu> when someone translates it, sure
[08:00] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: no, I want to write it as a consensus
[08:00] <Burgundavia> and we don't have time tonight
[08:01] <Burgundavia> we can tomorrow, after I get home from watching Daniel Craig's delectable ass
[08:03] <Burgundavia> poningru: about what?
[08:03] <poningru> doing it tomorrow/today
[08:04] <poningru> so we are releasing it tomorrow?
[08:04] <Burgundavia> tomorrow
[08:04] <Burgundavia> ok, ephy just malfed my fonts *again*
[08:07] <tonyyarusso> poningru: Advantages of sage over just FF live bookmarks?
[08:09] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: check it out and see
[08:09] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: for one thing, it loads more than a simple drop-down listing of live-bookmarks ;)
[08:10] <tonyyarusso> Oh well, at least it means they're learning
[08:11] <tonyyarusso> A while back people found out my mom reads my blog, which has links to my friends blogs, and a bunch of them got all pissed at me.  Which begs the response, "you have, um, heard of Google, right?"
[08:11] <tonyyarusso> Lots of idiots on the internet...
[08:12] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: yup, which is why I have certain sites in my hosts file, including myspace =)
[08:13] <Burgundavia> you slackers writing?
[08:13] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: no whip cracked above me, so I'm dancing atm
[08:13] <poningru> tonyyarusso: its an actually feed reader
[08:16] <tonyyarusso> poningru: Oh, it's still going to make me click each one eh?
[08:16] <Burgundavia> ah, frak. bloody compiz died on me
[08:17] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, really? that's surprising!
[08:17] <Burgundavia> you are all shocked, I am sure
[08:17] <lotusleaf> and here I was just going to ask if I should try compiz
[08:18] <poningru> tonyyarusso: I think there is an option to display it all
[08:18] <tonyyarusso> poningru: Hmm, I'll poke around mor
[08:18] <tonyyarusso> e
[08:19] <tonyyarusso> poningru: I'm definitely not seeing one
[08:20] <poningru> hmm
[08:21] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: do you use compiz from the repos? How does that differ from Beryl?
[08:21] <Burgundavia> they both suck, compiz sucks less
[08:22] <Burgundavia> compiz has sane developers
[08:22] <lotusleaf> heh, cool, I'll check it, thx
[08:22] <Burgundavia> note that compiz in edgy is compiz-quinn ie beryl
[08:22] <lotusleaf> really? I didn't think beryl was in the official repos
[08:23] <lotusleaf> I don't see such a package
[08:24] <Burgundavia> not yet
[08:25] <Burgundavia> packagers are dealing with the braindead dumb things it does
[08:25] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: so compiz as of now in the repos should be ok to toy with?
[08:25] <Burgundavia> yes
[08:25] <Burgundavia> if you like crashes, annoying bugs and ripping out your hair
[08:25] <lotusleaf> k thx, I look forward to filing bug reports =)
[08:26] <lotusleaf> wow it crashes that often?
[08:26] <poningru> hmm weird
[08:26] <poningru> under deb it doesnt crash at all
[08:26] <Burgundavia> at least once a night
[08:26] <poningru> at all == less than once a week
[08:26] <Burgundavia> some of those issues are buggy drivers
[08:26] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: does it bring down everything with a hard lock?
[08:26] <Burgundavia> nah
[08:26] <Burgundavia> just disappears
[08:27] <poningru> my friend is running it on his tiny lappy
[08:27] <lotusleaf> nice
[08:27] <Burgundavia> usually when I remember to switch back to metacity
[08:27] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: so I just install compiz in repo and relogin to KDE and that's it it's all setup? no voodoo like with the beryl setup guide?
[08:27] <tonyyarusso> poningru: Do you see the option anywhere on your machine?
[08:27] <lotusleaf> I'll check the wiki re: compiz I suppose 
[08:27] <Burgundavia> install it and then type compiz --replace
[08:28] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: k thx =)
[08:28] <Burgundavia> but you need to write some UWN
[08:28] <lotusleaf> :-)
[08:28] <lotusleaf> yes, yes I do..
[08:28] <lotusleaf> but what part of it, I don't know... ?
[08:29] <Burgundavia> right
[08:29] <Burgundavia> beginning of the in the press section
[08:29] <Burgundavia> there are three articles
[08:29] <lotusleaf> linky?
[08:29] <Burgundavia> links, rather
[08:29] <Burgundavia> ah, in gobby
[08:29] <lotusleaf> k
[08:30] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: when you note it is in gobby, please nuke the entire page and place a link to the /Editing page
[08:30] <poningru> tonyyarusso: nope my friend uses it
[08:30] <tonyyarusso> poningru: ah
[08:30] <poningru> I remember him doing something like that 
[08:30] <poningru> I think
[08:33] <lotusleaf> hmm.. I haven't used gobby yet :P
[08:33] <tonyyarusso> poningru: any chance they're online?
[08:34] <poningru> tonyyarusso: #gatorlug gavinbaker
[08:34] <poningru> might be in #freeculture
[08:34] <poningru> looks like he isnt online
[08:34] <tonyyarusso> ah well
[08:36] <lotusleaf> so I'll bury my head in the virtual sand in silence so others can work on UWN :)
[08:39] <tonyyarusso> lotusleaf: Dapper or Edgy?
[08:41] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: ?
[08:41] <tonyyarusso> lotusleaf: Dapper needs a special Gobby build; Edgy's is just plug in and go
[08:41] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: oh, edgy, but I'm too tired to gaze on a new program atm, compiz included =)
[08:42] <poningru> see I have been thinking about running the older and newer sobby on the server
[08:42] <tonyyarusso> lotusleaf: ah
[08:42] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: I'll check out gobby tomorrow so I can start contributing to uwn for real
[08:42] <poningru> but I cant find an ebuild for the older sobby
[08:42] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: but thx for the details =)
[08:42] <poningru> I should just write one
[08:43] <tonyyarusso> poningru: Apparently there's versions of planet in Ruby and Python, but Edgy only has the Ruby one?
[08:46] <poningru> hmm havent looked at that one
[08:46] <poningru> I have only dealt with the python one
[08:47] <poningru> what do we have to do in gobby?
[08:47] <poningru> is there a list?
[08:47] <poningru> like last time?
[08:48] <tonyyarusso> poningru: Have you used the python on on Ubuntu?
[08:48] <poningru> a little
[08:49] <tonyyarusso> poningru: Was it in the repos?
[08:49] <poningru> oh no I havent used the python one
[08:49] <tonyyarusso> oh
[08:49] <poningru> I thought you were asking have I used the /bin/python in ubuntu
[08:49] <tonyyarusso> doh
[08:49] <tonyyarusso> s/on on/one on/
[08:50] <poningru> :)
[08:50] <poningru> nope
[08:50] <poningru> Burgundavia, elkbuntu 
[08:50] <poningru> is there a list?
[08:50] <Burgundavia> of?
[08:50] <poningru> nm I see it
[08:50] <poningru> like last time
[08:51] <Burgundavia> todo list?
[08:51] <Burgundavia> I just created one
[08:51] <poningru> ok
[08:52] <poningru> you did?
[08:52] <Burgundavia> very top of article
[08:52] <poningru> I see it
[08:57] <poningru> thnx
[09:00] <poningru> can you check over my first in the press?
[09:11] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: there's no compiz-kde package :) so much for that
[09:26] <poningru> Burgundavia: I think the in the press stuff is done
[09:26] <Burgundavia> cool, thaniks
[09:26] <Burgundavia> about to head to be
[09:26] <Burgundavia> bed, rather
[09:26] <poningru> nn
[09:30] <elkbuntu> g'nite Burgundavia
[09:33] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: don't let the demons bite ;)
[09:35] <tonyyarusso> poningru: I'm attempting planet to see how it compares - any idea how to make times my local timezone?
[09:38] <poningru> no clue sorry
[09:38] <poningru> I was handed down the install
[09:38] <poningru> ask paulproteus in #freeculture he would know
[09:41] <tonyyarusso> poningru: Thanks
[02:00] <MenZa> jenda
[02:00] <MenZa> Guess what I'm doing ;)
[04:12] <jenda> poningru: ping
[04:32] <poningru> jenda: pong
[04:32] <jenda> poningru: see email
[04:32] <jenda> you should be getting notification now.
[04:32] <poningru> from jane?
[04:33] <jenda> yes, and from me
[04:33] <jenda> the last one you didn't get - it was from Jane and said 'done'.
[04:33] <poningru> from you?
[04:33] <poningru> ah ok
[04:33] <jenda> Yep, i had your addy there changed to the one you use.
[04:34] <poningru> wtf I have a @ubuntu account?
[04:34] <poningru> since when?
[04:35] <jenda> I thought you did...
[04:35] <jenda> Weren't you approved as an Ubuntu member?
[04:36] <jenda> aha... not yet :)
[04:36] <jenda> poningru: must have been my mistake, sorry.
[04:38] <poningru> hehe is cool
[04:38] <jenda> you can start by clearing the queue that's built up :-)
[04:38] <jenda> hehe
[04:39] <jenda> It's getting really bad - at least 10/day, even though spamassassin should've tightened the gates...
[04:45] <poningru> k
[04:47] <jenda> wow, I didn't expect you to really do it ;)
[04:47] <jenda> thanks, poningru 
[04:48] <jenda> The way I usually do it is that I look through the day's batch, and don't react if it's spam, until about 10 pile up, or a non-spam message comes in.
[04:48] <poningru> hehe
[04:55] <MenZa> jenda: I have some good news, and some bad news
[05:13] <jenda> uh oh
[05:14] <jenda> That was the bad news... now what's the good news, MenZa? :)
[05:14] <MenZa> xD
[05:14] <MenZa> The goods news
[05:14] <MenZa> I've done the 1,000 envelope stickers
[05:14] <MenZa> The bad news... is that the coloured ones can't be done until we've had our printer cleaned
[05:14] <MenZa> Which might be as early as tomorrow
[05:15] <jenda> The colored ones would be the big logos, and the long white ones, right?
[05:17] <MenZa> correct
[05:17] <MenZa> the colours aren't mixed properly
[05:18] <jenda> I see.
[05:18] <jenda> Do you think I could ask for a few extra Kubuntu and Xubuntu stickers?
[05:18] <jenda> I'll send you a Czech Ubuntu t-shirt with the other shirt I'll be sending ;)
[05:19] <MenZa> jenda: :D
[05:19] <jenda> I'd be happy with about 50 of each
[05:19] <MenZa> jenda: sure, I can
[05:19] <jenda> satisfied with less ;)
[05:19] <MenZa> I'll do around 100 then, depends how many I can squeeze in
[05:19] <jenda> neat-o :)
[11:54] <Burgwork> hey looksaus
[11:54] <looksaus> hi Burgwork 
[11:54] <Burgwork> which locoteam are you?
[11:54] <looksaus> Belgium
[11:55] <Burgwork> are you looking at press releases or articles?
[11:55] <looksaus> even more general, we are a small country
[11:55] <Burgwork> right
[11:56] <looksaus> so it's not so difficult for us to grab national press attention
[11:56] <Burgwork> the best way to get press is to do something
[11:56] <looksaus> we already have quite a bit of pr writing experience and hel
[11:56] <looksaus> p
[11:56] <looksaus> succeeded amongst others in getting coverage for Dapper Launch in the second most read newspaper in the country
[11:57] <Burgwork> cool, you are ahead of most
[11:57] <Burgwork> how did that contact happen?
[11:57] <Burgwork> given you are so small, you can probably just meet the reporters in person
[11:58] <Burgwork> maybe hold an open day for press, etc?
[11:58] <looksaus> yes, certainly
[11:59] <looksaus> only we are geeks of course
[11:59] <Burgwork> find a sales-geek, like myself
[11:59] <looksaus> so we need some training for the spoken word to bring it to the public
[11:59] <Burgwork> "training on the spoken word"?
[11:59] <looksaus> we were thinking more of educating our existing volunteer base
[11:59] <Burgwork> a "how to market Ubuntu" session?
[12:00] <Burgwork> we should probably have something on irc, for all locoteams
[12:00] <Burgwork> I would be willing to teach, if you want to set it up
[12:00] <looksaus> there are a lot of jobs to be done that are in their essence non-technical
[12:00] <looksaus> and that require different skills
[12:01] <Burgwork> indeed it does
[12:01] <looksaus> that is, if you want to tackle the marketing side more then before
[12:02] <looksaus> based upon our experiences at trade fairs
[12:03] <Burgwork> indeed
[12:03] <looksaus> (I organised about 7 or 8, the fr_be guys did about 3 to this day)
[12:03] <jenda> Guys, I'm gathering ideas for individual marketing campaigns or 'feats' for the DIY Website. If you come up with anything that you're willing to put down in text, please do. :)
[12:03] <Burgwork> right
[12:03] <looksaus> I see there is a _big_ need for live interaction
[12:03] <looksaus> err, training on live interaction
[12:04] <looksaus> and foundations underneath that
[12:04] <Burgwork> looksaus: if you want to lay out a date, I can help organize the training on that
[12:04] <looksaus> Burgwork, it might be a nice starting point
[12:04] <looksaus> but we probably need someone live on location
[12:04] <Burgwork> I do sales and have done many tradeshows in my work
[12:05] <looksaus> and only after we have (together with you maybe)
[12:05] <Burgwork> I live in Canada, so that is a little difficult
[12:05] <looksaus> defined a basic direction on where we want to go, how we are going to stimulate Ubuntu adoption through better marketing
[12:05] <looksaus> Burgwork, I know...
[12:05] <Burgwork> I was thinking an IRC learning session on who to train other volunteers to be good booth people
[12:06] <looksaus> might be interesting
[12:06] <looksaus> basicly what we did (I documented this in the Computer Fair howto wiki page)
[12:06] <looksaus> was role play before the fair started
[12:06] <Burgwork> when is a good date? lets set one up right now
[12:07] <looksaus> and observing each other during the fair
[12:07] <looksaus> Burgwork, I think we are not ready for it yet
[12:07] <Burgwork> for an irc training session? why not?
[12:07] <looksaus> much as I appreciate your offer
[12:07] <Burgwork> I was thinking for all the locoteams, not just yours