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otherwise i will be happy to go back in bed [08:55] morning [08:55] fabbione: if you are unwell then by all means go back to bed [08:55] i still have some fever i would like to get rid of [08:55] ok === seb128_ [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-103-133.w90-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:55] mdz: if something comes up just mail me and i will look it up === fabbione takes off again [08:56] morning [08:56] morning seb128 [08:56] morning === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo [n=egon@i59F71381.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:57] hey mvo === dholbach hugs mvo as if he hadn't seen him in 10 years ;-) [08:58] cjwatson,doko,Mithrandir,sfllaw,iwj,kylem: ping [08:58] here [08:58] pong === mvo yawns [08:58] It's early here too. [08:58] 3:00. === pitti hugs the gang === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:59] a sane time for me, and I'm not needed :) === dholbach saw doko in #ubuntu-devel already === pitti hugs slomo === ompaul [n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === sfllaw hugs pitti. === ajmitch hugs pitti === BenC hugs the channel [09:00] BenC: is kylem inbound? [09:00] mdz: Pinged him, but no reply...he was aware it was 3am... [09:00] mdz: Can I go early while I'm still mostly conscious? [09:00] I know he was on not too long ago [09:00] mdz:pong === ArwynH [n=arwyn@PPPf184.saitama-ip.dti.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:01] Shall we call Kyle? [09:01] I can send him an SMS or something. === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:01] sfllaw: if you're asking to deliver an update and then leave, then that does miss the point of attending the meeting [09:01] No no no. [09:02] cjwatson: heard from iwj? [09:02] ah, there he is [09:02] four lines up, yes :) [09:02] I just want to answer questions whlie still being reasonably cogent. [09:02] mdz: for a change, I'd like to be moved later so I can finish some details on my report :) [09:02] can someone chase up Mithrandir? === pitti phones Mith [09:03] pitti: thanks [09:03] cjwatson: you're first up === sfllaw phones up kylem. [09:03] sfllaw: thanks [09:03] Tollef will arrive any minute [09:03] setup-console-under-usplash: Bug 73955 appears to be graphics-card-specific and probably something wrong either in the kernel or in X. I think I've narrowed it down to one ioctl. Help? [09:03] Malone bug 73955 in console-setup "Clobbered X screen state during installation" [High,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/73955 [09:03] increase-hwdb-participation: pitti, did you get a chance to look at this? [09:03] ubiquity-more-user-info: Punted to admin RT last night. [09:04] scalable-installation-testing: Provided some feedback on this with my installer hat on, as promised last week. [09:04] misc: Herd 1 help; installer now basically works modulo a few glitches. Ported ubiquity to the new partman-auto today, which gets rid of one of the autopartitioning pages on multiple-disk systems. Spent some time trying to cram ext2 resize_inode support into libparted so that we can resize the type of filesystem we now create by default (!), but not finished yet. Made a start on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallerDevelopment (co [09:04] cjwatson: yes, I did; I have a small snippet in my report about hwdb [09:04] next-week: Finish first cut at InstallerDevelopment and start pushing for community involvement in installer work. Get back to ubiquity-advanced-partitioner. [09:04] er ... /misc/s/today/yesterday/. Yay relativity. === kylem [i=kyle@fruit.freedesktop.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:04] cjwatson: since you've already got one item in RT, would you mind taking responsibility for chasing devel-list? [09:05] pitti: ok, we'll get back to it theen [09:05] then [09:05] mdz: righto [09:05] I emailed about it last week but haven't heard back [09:05] I'll forward a copy of the email [09:05] cjwatson: I have playing with setup-console on my todo list [09:05] thanks [09:05] Keybuk: does it break for you? [09:05] cjwatson: looks like one of your lines was truncated? [09:05] cjwatson: it has done [09:06] misc: Herd 1 help; installer now basically works modulo a few glitches. Ported ubiquity to the new partman-auto today, which gets rid of one of the autopartitioning pages on multiple-disk systems. [09:06] Spent some time trying to cram ext2 resize_inode support into libparted so that we can resize the type of filesystem we now create by default (!), but not finished yet. Made a start on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallerDevelopment (comments welcome). [09:06] oh, barely ;-) [09:06] I thought 445 characters would fit but maybe not [09:06] Keybuk: could you help cjwatson by reviewing InstallerDevelopment? [09:07] of course [09:07] thank you [09:07] I know it needs more detail but I don't have perspective to know where [09:08] (pong; sorry; my laptop refused to associate with my wireless and my KDC refused to speak with me (and my dog ate my homework)) [09:08] cjwatson: ok, thanks [09:08] heno: next [09:08] Mithrandir: hehe :) [09:08] Mithrandir: so long as it didn't eat your status report also ;-) [09:08] DONE: [09:08] * access-gdm: Worked with artist on new High Contrast GDM theme. Discussions with GDM maintainer and MacSlow about accessible login. [09:08] * common-at-conf: mock-ups of new config interface. Discussions with Gnome AT community. http://people.ubuntu.com/~henrik/images/flexi-at-conf-2.png [09:08] * multilingual-speech: Decided on how to support eSpeak in Orca (write a gnome-speech driver for eSpeak). Planing a community initiative to create more/improve local language voices for eSpeak. Worked on the Norwegian voice files to learn the ropes and define the process. [09:08] TODO: [09:08] * access-gdm: Work out details on how to make GDM/Facebrowser accessible _without_ using AT-SPI. [09:08] * color-filters: Investigate UI requirements for controlling colour filters in gnome-mag. [09:08] * multilingual-speech: Complete design of the voice creation process and launch the localisation project. [09:08] * General a11y testing: It seems bug 74249 has just been resolved, alowing testing with AT-SPI to proceed [09:08] Malone bug 74249 in at-spi "Bug when we start Feisty : trouble with at-spi" [High,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74249 [09:10] heno: weren't there a few bits of edgy a11y specs which didn't quite make the cut? [09:10] are those being carried over or abandoned? [09:10] like the sudo atspi spec, that is being folded in now [09:11] other thinks like spoken boot have a very low priority [09:11] a very small user group and would need to be done by Luke if he wants it [09:11] heno: for sudo atspi, I'm going to subscribe the ubuntu-a11y-devel list to the upstream bugs we're having currently [09:11] wg 21 [09:11] sometimes things also just turn out not to be a good idea [09:11] (argh) [09:12] gdm upstream just made that change: [09:12] "Now all GDM GUI's are run as the gdm user. This change ensures [09:12] that all GDM GUI's can talk to the at-spi-registryd that is [09:12] running. This change involved making the forked slave talk [09:12] to the the GDM daemon so that the dialogs can be displayed." [09:12] not sure if that's revelant [09:12] heno: indeed, just checking. we'll review in more detail on the phone [09:12] just mentioning it [09:12] seb128: right, I wonder how well that will work in reality [09:13] seb128: sounds better than running as root [09:13] heno: ok, thanks [09:13] mdz: good I'll look back at the old specs [09:13] mvo: next? [09:13] Did: [09:13] * work on the AutomaticUpgradeTesting [09:13] * LSB meeting/packaging sumit Berlin (Mo-We): [09:13] gave two presentations [09:13] * apt work: [09:13] - fix crash in pkgSrcRecords::Binaries [09:13] - fix bug in pdiff method [09:13] Will do: [09:13] - look at the AdeptFeistyChanges spec [09:13] - merges [09:13] - work on CommonCustomizations [09:13] - catchup on the BUGS [09:15] mvo: is dynamic-mirror-decisions sorted now? [09:15] mdz: sorted in what way? its approved and there is a step-by-step plan in the wiki and its approved :) === mvo should have more tea ... writting approved twice [09:16] mvo: anything interesting at the summit? an email summary to distro-team would be appreciated [09:16] mvo: I mean incorporating the changes I requested via email [09:16] (just rescoping a bit) [09:17] mvo: please drop notices when merging packages not assigned to you (generally it's welcome, but duplicating work is not) [09:17] oh, I may have sent that after you had left for the day === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:17] mdz: the sumit was intessting, especially the lsb packaging discussion [09:17] I will send a mail [09:17] mdz: I'm not aware of the mail, but haven't looked through my inbox this morning [09:18] doko: sorry [09:18] mvo: ok, thanks. shouldn't need substantial changes just reshuffling a bit [09:18] mvo: thanks [09:18] thanks [09:19] Mithrandir: next [09:19] misc: herd 1 release, archive administration [09:19] network-roaming: some discussion with pitti about how it interacts with his zeroconf spec; no real progress [09:19] changelog-closes-bugs: trying to convince Debian that our approach is sensible, but no other progress [09:19] grub2: installed and played with grub2, it seems to work, but its hook scripts requires a bit of work. [09:19] next week: more archive admin, update to new network-manager and do our changes there (per network-roaming) [09:19] (oh, and I need to actually add the herd dates I discussed with Colin on the release schedule) [09:19] what do Debian want us to do instead? [09:20] Mithrandir: do you have a target date for herd CD 2? [09:20] Keybuk: Guillem seems to want one syntax which is common to all cases. [09:20] mdz: two week from now. [09:20] Mithrandir: please add it to the wiki schedule. I see there's a milestone in launchpad already [09:20] mdz: at least I think so. That is, it will probably be after xmas since I'm going on vacation on the 19th [09:20] mdz: yeah, I added the milestone so jbailey can target certification bugs to it [09:21] OMG, another herd in two weeks? that seems to consume an enormous time of work [09:21] Mithrandir: is that testing happening now? [09:21] and again the same week as a new GNOME [09:21] mdz: I've requested it, I just got in, so I'm not sure if it has actually happened yet. [09:21] mdz: I'll follow that up with Jeff/cr3 [09:21] seb128: sounds like you and Mithrandir should chat about the timing [09:22] yep [09:22] pitti: the first one is surely the hardest [09:22] although, in two weeks it's almost christmas and few people will be there for testing etc. [09:22] and it will be >2 weeks from the sound of it [09:22] AIUI we're going for 3 weeks normally but that collides with Christmas this time [09:22] pitti: hence it might very well end up being the first week of January instead. [09:22] Mithrandir: right [09:22] cjwatson: yeah, and we need to fudge around that somehow. [09:22] this one was hard because we froze too early; the installer wasn't ready yet. [09:23] note for future Foo 1s [09:23] it's always hard to know when to freeze; much easier to see the sweet spot in retrospect. [09:23] and easier to judge when we have a todo list for next time, thanks cjwatson [09:24] Mithrandir: ok, thanks [09:24] sfllaw: next [09:24] ... [09:24] Lost paste. [09:24] sfllaw: will come back to you [09:24] Riddell: next [09:25] done: [09:25] * holiday [09:25] * Herd testing [09:25] * SRUs, universe merges, language pack testing, other odd bits [09:25] * kubuntu-feisty-language-selector: Qt 4 port done, usability changes half way [09:25] todo: [09:25] * finnish kubuntu-feisty-language-selector, start kubuntu-feisty-ubiquity qt4 port === BenC hands sfllaw some elmer's glue [09:25] specs: [09:25] * kubuntu-ubiquity-migration-assistant and kubuntu-feisty-adept-changes needing approval, cjwatson and mvo pinged [09:25] other: [09:25] * no idea what's happening with artists, sabdfl not replying [09:25] I have a call with sabdfl in <10 hours, will chase him on artwork [09:26] k-u-m-a is on my queue [09:26] great [09:26] Riddell: what's the question you have for him? [09:26] (still) === crevette [n=mille-ma@217.26.192.224] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:26] mdz: if nuno and/or ken will get contracts to do artwork for feisty (as seemed to be suggested at UDS) [09:27] Riddell: universe merges? === Fujitsu [n=william@c58-107-164-24.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:27] Riddell: is your language-selector branch on launchpad? [09:27] mdz: the ones with my name on them, they all turned out to be syncs [09:28] mvo: yes, branch is called kubuntu-feisty-language-selector [09:28] thanks [09:28] Riddell: is main all merged up now for KDE? === lloydinho_ [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:28] mdz: I need to check back on some stuff adept that was blocking on cmake being in main, but everything else was done before the herd freeze [09:29] Riddell: ok, thanks [09:29] sfllaw: ready? [09:29] ah, yeah, I need to do a MIR session [09:29] Done [09:29] * Decided on two interns, doing the paperwork for that [09:29] * Interviewed another intern [09:29] * More SRU approvals: Kopete [09:29] * Bug triage [09:29] * E-mail testers who volunteered to help with Herd 1. [09:29] To do [09:29] * SRU: mdadm (bug 74346) [09:29] Malone bug 74346 in mdadm "[edgy sru] multiple mdadm fixes" [High,Fix committed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74346 [09:29] * Get computers for interns [09:29] * Get interns to sign paperwork [09:29] * Bug triage [09:29] * Wiki documentation for Ubuntu QA [09:29] * UbuntuHugDay to get people signed into Ubuntu QA. [09:29] Blockers: [09:29] * synaptic is not ready for -proposed (bug 65553, bug 67146) [09:29] Malone bug 65553 in synaptic "Synaptic Crashes when changing fonts" [Medium,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65553 [09:29] Malone bug 67146 in synaptic "synaptic pinning/locking does not work" [Medium,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/67146 [09:29] cmake's in main now [09:30] cjwatson: yeah, needs merging according to MOM [09:30] cjwatson: I saw, thanks [09:30] sfllaw: I uploaded the two synaptic fixes to -proposed some time ago? [09:30] SRU suggestion: Simon mails ubuntu-archive@lists when verification is done? [09:30] mvo: I think cjwatson rejected them. [09:30] just off the top of my head, but might smooth the process to -updates [09:31] right, that was even more time ago, I uploaded another one [09:31] If you think it will help, I can do that. [09:31] sfllaw: what kind of hours are the interns putting in? I assume you'll work from the office with them? [09:31] Standard 9-5. [09:31] Monday-Wednesday. [09:31] sfllaw: no, they're still there [09:31] 15 Jan to 2 May. [09:31] 113267 | S- | synaptic | 0.57.11ubuntu12.1 | five weeks [09:31] | * synaptic/0.57.11ubuntu12.1 Component: main Section: admin [09:31] 137106 | S- | synaptic | 0.57.11ubuntu12.1 | nine days [09:31] | * synaptic/0.57.11ubuntu12.1 Component: main Section: admin [09:31] we need to reject one of those, yes :) [09:31] cjwatson: Can you and mvo work it out? [09:32] yes [09:32] sfllaw: do you have tasks planned for them? both bug triage and CD image testing seem like good targets [09:32] Thanks. [09:32] cjwatson: reject the old please (I though it was already rejected) [09:32] mvo: done [09:32] mdz: I've got two of them I'm thinking of doing bug triage and CD image testing. [09:32] mdz: One of them can program (!) so we were thinking of doing those automated test cases you've been bugging cr3 about. [09:32] cjwatson: thanks, if you could accept/review the other one soon, that would be great :) [09:33] open in my browser now [09:33] sounds like they'll miss herd 2, but you should have time to train them for herd 3 [09:33] They seem bright, so they should pick it up quickly. === mvo hugs cjwatson [09:34] I've asked jbailey to look into buying hardware so we'll be ready for them come Januaray. [09:34] sfllaw: please make notes of their questions as they learn and use those to improve the documentation, as it's useful for the community as well [09:34] So I think things can go smoothly, if we are allowed to buy it. [09:34] mdz: I plan on making them update the wiki as they learn things. [09:34] :) [09:35] or that [09:35] sfllaw: thanks [09:35] kylem: next [09:35] Done [09:35] * [09:35] received core-dev status. [09:35] * [09:35] dapper-security kernel: backed out netfilter abi breaking change. [09:35] * [09:35] wrote new patch for above, sent upstream for verification. [09:35] * [09:35] sky2 backport to dapper-updates, edgy-updates. [09:35] * [09:35] tg3 backport to dapper-updates, edgy-updates. [09:35] * [09:35] fix tso support in tg3 backport. [09:35] firefox and moin hate each other [09:35] * [09:35] dapper-security, edgy-security uploaded by ben. [09:35] To do [09:35] * [09:35] forcedeth backport to dapper-updates, edgy-updates. [09:35] * [09:35] figure out why my uploads were discarded. [09:35] erk, why did that paste all wonky. [09:36] kylem: Thanks for responding to EtienneG's support case so quickly. [09:36] kylem: You copy-pasted moin's output. [09:36] kylem: Next time, use the "See raw text" feature. [09:36] kylem: btw, I didn't see a new dapper kernel upload yet [09:36] sfllaw, np. ah ok. [09:36] (in case it got dropped on the way) [09:37] kylem: those backports are going to -proposed rather than -updates, right? [09:37] kylem: Rejected: The key (0x7EB792DF191FCD8A) used to sign linux-source-2.6.15_2.6.15-27.50_source.changes wasn't found in the keyring(s). [09:37] pitti, heh, first i uploaded to upload.ubuntu.com by mistake, the second time i uploaded to security. and never heard back, so benc guessed something was up, i think he'll upload until i get it sorted. [09:37] half-hour reminder: I unfortunately need to skip out at 0905 for the school run, as Benedict needs to be at the church this morning rather than school as usual so my wife can't take him [09:37] mdz, correct, sorry, the -updates is just the tree name [09:37] understood, thanks [09:38] -security has separate keyrings, I believe; ping elmo to have those updated [09:38] pitti: next [09:38] pitti: I don't think his key is able to do security [09:38] cjwatson: s/elmo/RT/ surely [09:38] it should be [09:38] worked instantly for Kees, but might need check with elmo [09:38] mdz yeah, modern world [09:38] anyway, my report: [09:38] Done: [09:38] * merges for main: almost all done, remaining ones are hairy (apache2: infinity asked me not to merge 2.2 yet, enigmail: we have to permanently fork due to Debian's icedove madness, linux-wlan-ng: Debian has a SVN snapshot instead of stable release, have to evaluate); merge of ia32-libs has been traded with doko in exchange for php5 and gettext [09:38] * merges for universe still outstanding, but I only have a few and they look easy (mostly stuff from library transitions) [09:38] * zero-configuration-networking: added the 'ipv4ll' ifupdown method, added support for this to gnome-system-tools & friends, taught network-manager to play along with avahi-autoipd; 95% finished, have fun! the only outstanding bits are: ubuntu-meta update to bring avahi-autoipd to ubuntu-desktop, and introducing the desktop notification about a disabled avahi due to an unicast .local domain <- I'd like to discuss how that should look like with [09:38] some interested people, anyone? [09:38] * gnome-mount: added proper policy check to hal mount backend (prerequisite of starting with mount-all-local-filesystems), discussed security improvements with sjoerd; came to the conclusion that we can't do better than trusting the main hal daemon for information, so there's nothing we can improve further; remaining TODOs: discuss degnomeification with Xubuntu guys, wait for udev-device-mapper to get implemented to get mounting of encrypted d [09:38] evices right [09:38] * no work on other specs, just quickly discussed Malone cloakroom with Bjorn; it's not there yet, thus bug-reporting-tool is blocked for now [09:39] * prepared g-s-t/s-t-backends/couple of applets SRU for edgy's gnome-system-tools authentication problem, awaiting approval from mdz [09:39] * new dapper/edgy langpacks to -proposed, asked for testing feedback on -translators@; looks good so far [09:39] * misc: lots of IRC talks on fresher's day (OpenWeek was great, btw!), CD testing for herd-1 [09:39] * I looked at increase-hwdb-participation; doesn't look too complicated, I'm just swamped with specs; the notification part is a bit tricky due to the s [09:39] pitti,*: please note that cjwatson is on point for SRUs [09:39] ystem wide state, also we need to put it into some gnome package to get the i18n infrastructure for free; in fact this problem is very similar to the avahi disabling notification (mvo: I! want! event-notifier! now, now, now! ;-) ); since this isn't a prerequisite of other specs and relatively easy, is it ok to defer this a little towards end of January? [09:39] Todo: [09:39] * finish remaining bits of zero-configuration-networking implementation [09:39] * finish mount-all-local-filesystems [09:39] * next Tuesday: dapper/edgy langpacks to -updates if all goes well [09:39] * change dapper's and edgy's ~/.xsession-errors rotation handling to new plan of mdz (I'd like to discuss this again interactively, I don't really like that solution) [09:40] I'm not processing them directly atm [09:40] mdz: oh, alright [09:40] cjwatson: I added ubuntu-sru to the bug report, is that enough or should I rather mail you directly? [09:40] pitti: increase-hwdb-participation> I'm mostly just looking for somebody to assign it to :-) I don't mind when you schedule it provided that you can fit it in somewhere [09:40] ubuntu-sru's perfect [09:40] ok [09:40] cjwatson: katapult has a patch waiting for sru btw [09:41] I can't use my own +subscribedbugs as a to-do list because it's too big, but I can use ubuntu-sru's [09:41] Riddell: noted [09:41] pitti: the zero-conf-net stuff isn't dependent on network-manager, right? [09:41] I can certainly fit it in until January, but only at the expense of cutting down on another spec [09:41] mdz: no, it isn't [09:41] I'm done with n-m for zeroconf now [09:41] but they are compatible now [09:41] and the patch wasn't really intrusive [09:42] pitti: we have a commitment from kiko to deliver the cloakroom by early January [09:42] mdz: right, n-m has its own implementation of ipv4ll address assignment, I needed to disable that [09:42] pitti: that should leave enough time to complete it for feature freeze, yes? [09:42] pitti: I missed your SRU because you set it to fix-committed; please leave it as in-progress at most until the -proposed upload has been accepted [09:42] mdz: yes, I hope so; and I can start early with the GUI side [09:42] s/you/somebody/ [09:42] pitti: ok, yes, please block only as much as necessary [09:43] cjwatson: ah, ok; still learning the optimal workflow [09:43] the SRU wiki page has been updated a bit [09:43] pitti: bug status are documented on the wiki page now [09:43] we've been tuning the SRU workflow as we go [09:43] cjwatson: maybe worth emailing a summary of the diff to -devel-announce [09:43] now or once it stabilizes, or both [09:43] will do [09:43] pitti: thanks [09:43] BenC: next [09:44] mdz: wrt ~/.xsession-errors handling, can we have a quick discussion at the end? [09:44] pitti: with the team, or just me? [09:44] with the team preferably, to collect opinions === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:44] :: Specs [09:44] * driver-device-manager: Had phone converstation with Keybuk to discuss the kernel/udev interface for this. Have started coding the kernel changes needed. Once that is in place, the actual UI implementation can be finished. [09:44] * driver-backports: Still in pending approval (poke mdz), but work has begun. Some of the features for this depends on the udev/kernel work for driver-device-manager (driver preference). [09:44] :: Kernel Work [09:44] * Started syncing for 2.6.20. So far merges have gone fairly well. Kernel is compiling for all architectures. [09:44] * Debugging ata_piix regression on ich6 variants. [09:44] * Also noticed a soft-lockup on a P4 system. Debugging is slow due to nature of bug. [09:44] * Relocation of Ubuntu kernel git repo's to a single kernel-team accessible location on rookery. This will eventually be expanded to a public repository, complete with git-web access. [09:44] * Intel enabling (paperwork only) [09:44] :: Work for next week [09:44] * Main priority right now is getting 2.6.20 pre kernel into feisty. [09:44] * Once kernel is uploaded, move all 2.6.19 bugs to linux-source-2.6.20 and ping for revalidation. [09:44] * Fix kernel regression with gdb attaching to PID's. [09:44] * Still have a few merges to take care of, but I need the kernel to settle down before I start mucking with the tools that build it. [09:45] BenC: I had a quick look at driver-backports and it needs more detail; iirc we had agreed on the specifics and they just need to be written down [09:45] BenC: I'm happy to trial any kernel patches you have -- as I'll need to do the udev changes [09:45] BenC: e.g. the placement of the modules and that arrangements will be made to prefer the backported ones [09:45] mdz: Ok, will get that done tomorrow [09:46] BenC: does driver-device-manager overlap with the work we discussed to allow for new PCI IDs to be added in userspace? [09:46] mdz: Yeah [09:47] it oerlaps for PCI id's and driver preference (like for driver-backports) [09:47] BenC: I need your help with apport-improvements (the core_pattern pipe fix and the core PAM limit); is it possible to cram that into your schedule? [09:47] oh, should probably be linked from driver-backports then [09:47] pitti: Sure, ping me sometime in the next couple of days, I'll make time [09:47] mdz: we have a master plan that allows us to fix several problems with one hefty stone [09:47] BenC: great, thanks [09:48] s/master plan/plan to take over the world/ [09:48] Keybuk: ok, I'm interested in the details via email later [09:48] BenC: thanks [09:48] seb128: nexkt [09:48] Done: [09:48] * GNOME 2.17.3 [09:48] * merged GNOME packages with Debian while updating them [09:48] * bug triage, bug triage, bug triage [09:48] * contacted tracker upstream about package for Ubuntu, somebody is working on it for Debian and has a first set of packages available, waiting on 0.5.3 to fix some copyright issues before uploading [09:48] * tested desktop CD candidate for herd1 [09:48] * caught up with mails backlog [09:48] . [09:48] Next week: [09:49] * bug triage, bug triage, bug triage [09:49] * get tracker uploaded [09:49] * keep doing merges with Debian [09:49] . [09:49] Note: [09:49] * The one week freeze has been annoying to work with, especially because "apt-get source" gives outdated packages during a freeze (somebody might have already done work on the same package and you doesn't get that version), could we freeze binaries instead of sources or make sources available from somewhere during a freeze? [09:49] seb128: just the few merges listed on MOM remaining for main? [09:49] yep [09:50] cairo is blocked on directfb (BenC should do it) [09:50] seb128: any leads on that bug we were chasing yesterday with gnome-session? [09:50] bug(s) that is [09:50] not yet, I've been sleeping mostly since [09:50]