[04:26] <nixternal> i just updated the binaryredneck svn with the latest handbook layout. if you have made changes to the old layout, go ahead and work in the C.old/ directory, and let me know when you upload so I can remerge
[08:22] <LaserJock> RichEd: you actually here?
[08:23] <RichEd> hi LaserJock ... yep
[08:24] <LaserJock> cool, I haven't seen you for a while
[08:24] <RichEd> Was travelling to meetings ... now trying to catch up with old work & new work coming in.
[08:26] <LaserJock> yeah, ogra said a little bit about the Poland conf
[08:43] <highvoltage> laser.. laser.. away!
[08:46] <Burgundavia> hey highvoltage
[08:46] <Burgundavia> see you made tectonic
[08:47] <highvoltage> hey Burgundavia
[10:36] <cbx33> ping ogra
[12:34] <MotherLUG> Evening
[12:36] <MotherLUG> cafuego_, Kamping_Kaiser .  Hi guys, I discovered a little hiccup with Edubuntu, can you direct me to the correct person to chat with please
[12:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> MotherLUG, depends on the hickup.
[12:38] <MotherLUG> A game that is installed by default, that I don't think should be
[12:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> MotherLUG, hm. well the usual responce is file a bug, but also ping ogra_ , as he should know what to do better then me
[12:39] <MotherLUG> Kamping_Kaiser, I now have an 8yr old addicted to Blackjack
[12:39] <MotherLUG> Kamping_Kaiser, I don't knwo how to file a bug report
[12:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> MotherLUG, ah yeh. give ogra_  a ping.
[12:41] <MotherLUG> ogra_, ping
[12:46] <Bambi_Bofh> hm. cant connect to my shell.
[12:46] <Bambi_Bofh> suppose this will have to do (its Kamping_Kaiser )
[12:48] <highvoltage> 4
[12:50] <Bambi_Bofh> 4?
[12:52] <highvoltage> yes!
[12:52] <highvoltage> sorry, was a fluke of a slow connection, that
[12:53] <Bambi_Bofh> lol
[01:15] <ogra_> MotherLUG, create a dedicated user for your daughter and use the menu editor to delete blackjack :)
[01:17] <Bambi_Bofh> ah, i'm back
[01:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[01:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi ogra_
[01:18] <MotherLUG> ogra_, thankyou.
[01:19] <ogra_> MotherLUG, i'd disable it if i could, but its part of gnome-games so either all of them go or none of them ...
[01:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> ogra_, thats a nusense. would patching out the .desktop file be more work then its worth?
[01:20] <ogra_> well, it would work, but then you wouldnt be able to enable it again ...
[01:20] <MotherLUG> ogra_, ahhh, I was wondering which packet it was in, that's a bit of a poo poo
[01:20] <ogra_> i'll look into it, we can probably disable it by default from the menu at least
[01:21] <ogra_> a bug about it as reminder would be nice
[01:22] <MotherLUG> ogra_, that sounds like a brilliant idea.  I'll try and submit a bug for it
[01:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> MotherLUG, if you need a hand just ask
[01:24] <MotherLUG> Kamping_Kaiser, Thanks for the offer. I will definately holler if needed
[01:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. didnt go so well that turn.
[02:51] <cbx33> ogra_: did i get the time wrong for the meeting
[03:15] <RichEd> hi LaserJock ... yep
[03:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi RichEd
[03:16] <RichEd> hi Kamping_Kaiser :)
[03:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[03:40] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> hallo
[03:51] <bddebian> Heya
[04:12] <juliux> hi all
[04:13] <juliux> where are all the old e-mail on the edubuntu-user mailingliste from?
[04:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> how old?
[04:15] <ogra_> juliux, i think highvoltage cleaned out the filters ...
[04:15] <juliux> Kamping_Kaiser, from june:(
[04:15] <juliux> ogra_, ah ok
[04:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> wow. backlog from june is a bit intence o_0
[04:34] <highvoltage> hmmm?
[05:06] <rockprincess> oh my god i found some information.... http://www.bmbwk.gv.at/schulen/unterricht/it/Microsoft_Fit_for_the_Future.xml .... these are prices for students at high schools and colleges, if they want to purchase a license for their home.....80 Euros for Windows XP Professional Upgrade inkl. SP2*, which is just an UPGRADE...this means you have to own a full version of Windows OEM or System Builder License already at home...
[05:10] <rockprincess> what a rip-off!
[05:11] <sbalneav> ogra_: Ping!  Hey dude!  I got all my out of town offices running Edgy + LTSP5
[05:11] <sbalneav> + Gnome
[05:12] <sbalneav> rockprincess: Fortunately, you have alternatives :)
[05:14] <rockprincess> sbalneav: true...but the hardest part is to convince schools and students that this is the right choice....settling onto open source!
[05:15] <sbalneav> That's an ongoing battle.  I've found with most of the stuff that I've done, quiet persistence is the key.  That, and not overselling what Free software can do.  Always better to be realistic as to where it makes sense to fit in. :)
[05:16] <rockprincess> for example?
[05:18] <sbalneav> Well, we switched over to Linux + LTSP where I work.  In the beginning, I was quite clear that things would look different, and that not all programs that we had would work under Linux.  For us, the economic factors were key, so it was an acceptible compromise.
[05:19] <sbalneav> Doing a show and tell's always nice.  Especially with a thin client lab.  We've seen a lot of people adopt Linux in schools based upon the fact that it ran on their current hardware.
[05:22] <rockprincess> true....but I'm just worried that people (especially olderly people) will start complaining that things won't work as in windows and that they have to get used to different things than on their home computer, and people will start questioning whether or not it's useful to get kids to use free software in schools and then at home there will be using their proprietary windows again....they will have to get used to two
[05:22] <rockprincess> different systems ....
[05:26] <sbalneav> Kids are the least of your problems.  My kids use XP at school, and Ubuntu at home.  Both are comfortable for them to use, and, whats more, they'd rather use the home system, because "at least that works" as my son says.  Apparently, at any given time, half the computers in the lab at school are down at any given time :)
[05:27] <rockprincess> hehe really how come?
[05:27] <sbalneav> It's usually the adults that have the most bias.  Kids just don't care what they use: they figure things out very quickly, because they don't have a pre-conceived notion of what a copmputer should "look like"
[05:28] <sbalneav> Viruses, and their security lockdown mechanism.  Apparently, if a student downloads too much information from the internet (plugins I expect) it locks up the box, and they have to wait a week for a School Division technician to come out and fix it. :)
[05:29] <rockprincess> you say kids are the least problem.....ok, let's just imagine the following cenario...what if a kid has decided to put edubuntu on his home computer and then finds out that his/her favourite computer game won't work on edubuntu....i can imagine that she/he will go straight back to windows....
[05:30] <rockprincess> kids simply love to play computer games...
[05:31] <rockprincess> and especially over the network with their friends...
[05:31] <sbalneav> Well, lots of games DO work on linux, under wine, or transgaming, and these days, quite frankly, most kids don't play games on computers.  They've got an XBOX or a PS2 or Nintendo for that.
[05:32] <sbalneav> But, counterstrike, quake, etc all work under linux.
[05:32] <rockprincess> true....
[05:33] <rockprincess> i didn't know that counterstrike worked under linux...
[05:35] <sbalneav> Yeah, google for transgaming.  There's a whole bunch of things that work under Linux.
[05:37] <rockprincess> transgaming = wine?
[05:41] <juliux> hey rockprincess
[05:41] <juliux> rockprincess, transgaming == wine + directx
[05:41] <rockprincess> hello juliux! i think i've just found a wicked wiki :D
[05:42] <rockprincess> http://cedegawiki.sweetleafstudios.com/wiki/Category:Supported
[05:42] <rockprincess> need to bookmark that ;)
[05:42] <juliux> rockprincess, but transgaming is the old name the new one is cedega
[05:49] <cbx33> afternoon all!!
[05:51] <rockprincess> hello cbx33!
[05:53] <nixternal> sbalneav: i have changed once again the layout of the handbook if you haven't noticed yet
[05:53] <nixternal> much simpler layout, which can be broke out easier come time for topic based help
[06:36] <sbalneav> nixternal: Ah, cool.
[06:37] <nixternal> im hopefully going to get some content in there this weekend
[06:37] <nixternal> i will leave the LTSP stuff up to you pros, as I know absolutely nothing about it really
[06:38] <sbalneav> looks like the LTSP section moved all into one file?
[06:38] <nixternal> ya
[06:39] <nixternal> so each of the previous p2-blah.xml is now just a <sect1 id="ltsp-blah" status="draft">
[06:39] <sbalneav> ok
[06:39] <sbalneav> I saw the planet post, I'll try to get my butt in gear, and start adding more doco.
[06:39] <nixternal> another reason why i did that is now when you ./validate.sh the handbook.xml if there is an error it will tell you the file.xml and the correct line number now
[06:39] <nixternal> much easier to debug
[06:54] <jo3> hi
[06:57] <Burgwork> hey jo3
[06:57] <jo3> ;)