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| lotusleaf | yay, a kubuntu universe team @ launchpad? :) | 12:29 |
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| lotusleaf | yes, thank you allee :) | 12:30 |
| allee | lotusleaf: well, that just first step to get a bit of an overview ;) Your welcome as the first kubuntu-universe-member ;) | 12:31 |
| lotusleaf | allee: oh? am I already a member? sweet! thank you, & thank you for bringing this up at the meeting | 12:32 |
| allee | no, but I will do it, promised :) | 12:32 |
| lotusleaf | (: | 12:32 |
| allee | lotusleaf: first I need some sleep | 12:33 |
| Riddell | someone called tonio just subscribed to kubuntu-bugs | 12:33 |
| lotusleaf | allee: ha! nn | 12:33 |
| nixternal | lol | 12:33 |
| nixternal | Riddell: took him long enough :) | 12:34 |
| nixternal | Kubuntu Universe..new one I take it | 12:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: argh you saw me ;) | 12:38 |
| Tonio_ | hehe shame on me :) I receive lots of bugs via launchpad but yeah I completly forgot to subscribe to this ;) | 12:38 |
| Tonio_ | I wanted to do it silently, hidden...... | 12:38 |
| === Tonio_ eats and does ksynaptics toonight | ||
| nixternal | heh, i must have subscribed a long time ago | 12:39 |
| nixternal | yay Tonio_ because I am buying a new laptop soon with a synaptics touch pad, as I don't like the erasers | 12:40 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: well in fact I was comfortable using launchpad to receive all bugs, but yeah the ML is probably better :) | 12:40 |
| nixternal | ya, with the ML you won't miss a K bug for sure | 12:40 |
| Lure | [00:41] <ailean> composite-by-default has been deferred? :( | 12:43 |
| Lure | that is good for us, as we did not plan it anyway ;-) | 12:43 |
| nixternal | \o/ YAY \o/ | 12:43 |
| nixternal | please, never do composite by default, I don't care how pretty it is. lets wait for the new Kwin | 12:43 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: bah we don't want gtk deps anyway..... | 12:48 |
| nixternal | another good point | 12:48 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: where is the current page to modify on the wiki for next UWN ? | 12:54 |
| Riddell | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue24 | 12:55 |
| Riddell | hmm | 12:55 |
| Tonio_ | great thanks | 12:55 |
| nixternal | ya, they edit it in gobby, so Tonio_ contact Burgundavia or Burgwork and provide him some info if need be | 12:56 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: it's being edited just now, you'll need to poke Burgwork toot sweet | 12:56 |
| nixternal | toot sweet? | 12:57 |
| nixternal | that is a new one | 12:57 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell, nixternal : okay thanks for the info | 12:58 |
| Riddell | nixternal: it's french | 12:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: is it ? | 12:58 |
| Tonio_ | ahhhhhhhhhhh | 12:58 |
| Tonio_ | tout de suite :) | 12:58 |
| Tonio_ | haha | 12:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: need to do it right now ? | 12:59 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I'm talking to him if you want to snooze | 12:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: not snoozing, I'm cooking :) | 12:59 |
| Tonio_ | I don't want it to burn in fact.... | 12:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yeah if you can do it, it would be nice..... mushrooms are hard not to get burned | 01:00 |
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| Riddell | Huahua, freeflying|away: when you first set up scim is there no way to get it working besides restarting X? | 11:27 |
| freeflying|away | Riddell: need restart X after set up | 11:33 |
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| Riddell | freeflying|away: I'm adding support to language-selector for turning it on, I just feel dirty saying "you need to re-log in for this to take affect" | 11:39 |
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| allee | \sh: ping | 12:07 |
| allee | \sh: URL for your fai 3 dapper backport? | 12:08 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_, nixternal: either of you looked at merging gwenview? | 12:12 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: will do | 12:13 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hi ;) | 12:13 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: did you see with corey concerning the uwn ? | 12:14 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: that wasn't necessarily a request :) | 12:14 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: no but well I have time, so... I'm doing it right now | 12:15 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: corey said it should go in next week's UWN since the one he was working on was for last week | 12:15 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay thanks, I'll look at adding the modifications | 12:16 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: if you want to look at the translation issue at the same time see if you can work out what strings are in the upstream .pot (from gwenview-i18n) and are missing from ours | 12:16 |
| Riddell | although it might be due to the .pot filename | 12:17 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yup | 12:19 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: how do you proceed on that point ? | 12:21 |
| Tonio_ | do you simply upload the pot file on rosetta ? I don't think we have that package | 12:22 |
| Tonio_ | ah.... we have it sorry ;) | 12:22 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I need to fix it generally for all extragear.po files, I think it'll need various packages changes and all the kde-i18n-xx packages changed | 12:22 |
| Riddell | the filename in KDE SVN is different from the one that's actually needed, is the problem | 12:23 |
| Riddell | (I think) | 12:23 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: well we can have issues since we have gwenview-i18n 1.4.1 and gwenview 1.4.0 packages.... | 12:23 |
| Tonio_ | can't that cause issues ? | 12:23 |
| Tonio_ | I'm not a specialist of translation things so.... | 12:24 |
| Riddell | yes, that's why you said you were about to merge gwenview 1.4.1 :) | 12:24 |
| Riddell | someone just wrote https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KolabMailServer | 12:24 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: argh ! | 12:24 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: gwenview now depends on exiv2 too..... | 12:24 |
| Tonio_ | the problem is afaik exiv is in universe... | 12:24 |
| Riddell | oh rocking, quick, write a main inclusion review before Martin gets round to his batch of reviews | 12:25 |
| Tonio_ | configure: error: You are missing libexiv2, which is required to compile Gwenview | 12:25 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hehe, yes will do that today | 12:25 |
| Riddell | but don't let it stop your merge and upload | 12:25 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: writing it right now | 12:27 |
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| allee | Riddell: Kolab? cool, heh, but he chooses the openpkg way, not the debian pkgs | 12:32 |
| Riddell | allee: are there any sane debian packages? | 12:34 |
| allee | Riddell: they are not supported upstream of course, but it looks like the README.Debian file reaches some sort of perfection ;) | 12:35 |
| Riddell | allee: where are they? | 12:35 |
| Riddell | sebas: does that idle time detection need xscreensaver? | 12:35 |
| allee | Riddell: alioht pkg-kolab AFAIR | 12:36 |
| allee | yeah, pkg-kolab | 12:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportExiv2 | 12:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I think it is okay | 12:36 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: there's a library in exiv2, but you deleted the line about complying to library policy | 12:38 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum true, yes, I'm adding it | 12:38 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: well I've checked at approved libs approved by pitty, they don't include this too, this is why I didn't put that | 12:39 |
| sebas | Riddell: Don't think so. It links against xss, however. | 12:40 |
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| Riddell | right | 12:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: added | 12:41 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: hey ;) | 12:41 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: well he can see it himself, but it's always good for him to know you checked too | 12:41 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: did you get the modified icons in my guidance tarball ? | 12:41 |
| sebas | Hey Tonio_ | 12:41 |
| sebas | Tonio_: Which tarball? | 12:41 |
| sebas | I'm running guidance pre-svn all the time :> | 12:41 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: I released a svn snapshot in guidance feisty, including modified icons for powermanager | 12:41 |
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| Tonio_ | sebas: want a tar file ? | 12:42 |
| sebas | Tonio_: Sure, but I already have Ken's new icons ... what icons do you have modified? | 12:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: gwenview built and uploaded | 12:42 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: 80% is missing, and there is another one causing an issue.... don't remember which one | 12:43 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: I'm sending you the icons so that you can check by yourself the changes I've done | 12:43 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/icons.tar.Gz | 12:44 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/icons.tar.gz | 12:44 |
| Tonio_ | sorry ;) | 12:44 |
| sebas | 404 | 12:44 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: refresh :) | 12:45 |
| Riddell | allee: what's wrong with it? | 12:45 |
| sebas | got it. | 12:45 |
| sebas | Tonio_: It's a mess, it contains old and new icons. | 12:46 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: hu ? | 12:46 |
| sebas | Such as the directory in svn :/ | 12:46 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: yes, but I only changed the icons that are currently used, as 80% was missing and there is another one I had to replace | 12:46 |
| Tonio_ | I never said I cleaned the thing ;) | 12:46 |
| sebas | Well, the 'lying battery' (newer, more fine-grained) and the 'standing' | 12:46 |
| sebas | Tonio_: I'll check so it works with svn and clean that one up then. | 12:47 |
| sebas | Deal? | 12:47 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: sounds good | 12:47 |
| Tonio_ | battery-charged.png was wrong afaicr | 12:47 |
| sebas | Ok, back to administrative KDE work then. | 12:47 |
| sebas | Aye. | 12:47 |
| Tonio_ | I changed this one, and added new battery-charging-080.png and battery-discharging-080.png | 12:48 |
| Tonio_ | this is the changes I've done if my remembering is correct | 12:48 |
| sebas | Thanks | 12:48 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I have digikamimageplugins 0.9rc2 too but I wait for digikam to build before uploading | 12:49 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: don't | 12:49 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: why ? | 12:49 |
| Riddell | no pointing blocking on archive administration | 12:49 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum, okay so I have to test the build locally before :) | 12:50 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: well I noticed that when a package is in dependancy wait, it is very long even once the dep has built to come back to needs building state, that was my point | 12:51 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: by "don't" you mean don't upload or don't wait ? ;) | 12:51 |
| === Tonio_ just woke up..... sorry | ||
| Riddell | don't wait | 12:51 |
| Riddell | upload digikam, upload digikamimageplugins with the necessary build-deps, wait for archive to sort itself out | 12:52 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay will do | 12:52 |
| === Tonio_ coffee time..... and get my nintendo wii at 1 pm :) | ||
| Tonio_ | I know I should be too old for this but well...... ^^ | 12:53 |
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| allee | Riddell: well, a soname change usualy means that you have to adapt all apps using the lib. Otherwise you end up with with several version of the libs (and -dev pkgs too unless you accept to old deb can be rebuild) | 01:41 |
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| Riddell | allee: yes, why is there an soname change? | 01:42 |
| allee | Riddell: not sure I had a quick look at the headers lot's of things have changed, but I don't know if they are part of the public interface. | 01:46 |
| allee | Riddell: at least one enum change definitely break the API it it's part of the public interface, but it could have been writen differentliy to not affect API | 01:47 |
| allee | Riddell: I'll ping Gilles, what really going on. | 01:47 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: little question.... I have an issue with digikam, since a .h file required by digikamimageplugins is missing in the deb... | 01:47 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I can fix this by forcing the installation in the .install file, works, but is dirty | 01:47 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: have another idea ? | 01:48 |
| Tonio_ | I can do it via rules.... but I wonder what to change in the sources to get the .h file installed correctly... | 01:48 |
| allee | Riddell: but so a soname modeled after pkg version looks wrong (maybe true for a yound lib with 0.* but conceptionally wrong) | 01:48 |
| allee | Tonio_: really? digikamimageplugins rc2 build on edgy? Which header is missing? | 01:49 |
| allee | s/edgy?/edgy./ | 01:49 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: ask upstream why it isn't installed I guess | 01:49 |
| Tonio_ | allee: yes it builds, no issue | 01:49 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: well as long as digikamimageplugins requires it, I assume it should be installed :) | 01:49 |
| Tonio_ | allee: the missing file is digikam_export.h | 01:50 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: maybe a packaging issue probably... | 01:50 |
| Tonio_ | I'm investigating | 01:50 |
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| pinheiro | moin | 01:53 |
| allee | Tonio_: I assume so all /usr/include/*.h should be installed | 01:53 |
| Tonio_ | allee: they all are installed except this one.... this is what drives me nuts... | 01:54 |
| Tonio_ | allee: well I can force the installation via debian/rules, but I'd like to understand first why it isn't installed... | 01:55 |
| allee | Tonio_: wait I've now 0.12 installed and can rebuild digikam ... | 01:57 |
| Tonio_ | allee: okay, tell me if you have /usr/include/kde/digikam/digikam_export.h | 01:58 |
| Tonio_ | this is the missing one | 01:58 |
| allee | k | 01:58 |
| Tonio_ | allee: it looks like only the .h files under libs dir are installed.... | 01:58 |
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| Tonio_ | this one is under digikam folder, that may explain | 01:59 |
| allee | might be but I wonder why I got digikamimageplugins compiled here? | 01:59 |
| allee | lets see ... | 01:59 |
| Tonio_ | in a certain way that makes sense.... I wonder if that's not a debhelper trick | 01:59 |
| Tonio_ | allee: it compiled for you ? | 01:59 |
| Tonio_ | well it compiles here but just the mo files... digikam is ignored because of that issue | 02:00 |
| Tonio_ | allee: well in any case I can do that with a one line in debian/rules... | 02:01 |
| allee | Tonio_: then do it. I can later fix it upstream .. | 02:01 |
| Tonio_ | yes, that's my thinking actually | 02:02 |
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| allee | strange, should be installed Makefile.am has: include_HEADERS = digikam_export.h, ah it ends up in /usr/include/KDE3 not /usr/include/KDE3/digikam | 02:10 |
| Tonio_ | allee: ah ? | 02:10 |
| allee | Tonio_: I'll check if digikaminclude_HEADERS is the right thing | 02:10 |
| allee | Tonio_: debian/tmp/usr/include/kde3 to be presise ;) | 02:11 |
| Tonio_ | allee: debian/tmp/usr/include/kde here | 02:12 |
| Tonio_ | allee: I install all of those files | 02:12 |
| Tonio_ | debian/tmp/usr/include/kde/digikam/* | 02:12 |
| Tonio_ | allee: it shouldn't be in kde/ afaik | 02:12 |
| Riddell | the correct kde path isn't being passed to ./configure | 02:12 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: is a .h file supposed to be in ......./kde/ ? | 02:13 |
| allee | debian/tmp/usr/include/kde/digikam/* is not debian/tmp/usr/include/kde/* ;) | 02:13 |
| Tonio_ | allee: yes, but we should probably patch to install it under digikam instead.... | 02:13 |
| Tonio_ | allee: works here | 02:13 |
| Riddell | if it wants to, I don't see why not | 02:13 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: sure, but well that's not very clean, especially if all other files are going under digikam/ | 02:14 |
| Riddell | it might not be a stable API | 02:14 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: would you suggest changing the install file or patch for the installation directory ? | 02:15 |
| Tonio_ | I can do both | 02:15 |
| Riddell | in which case it shouldn't be installed and digikamextrathings should probably have it own copy | 02:15 |
| Riddell | well, it can still be installed I guess | 02:15 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, sure, but well.... the easy way is to fix the .install file, but the nice way would be to fix the file installation I guess... | 02:16 |
| Riddell | don't change where it's installed to | 02:17 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay I'll do that way then and just fix the install file | 02:19 |
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| Riddell | do which way? | 02:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: install /usr/include/kde/* | 02:22 |
| Riddell | where does the extras thing #include it from? | 02:22 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: both case work | 02:22 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I just tested and it works if the file ends up in kde/ or kde/digikam/ | 02:23 |
| Tonio_ | my first idea was to mv the file from kde/ to kde/digikam/ during the install part | 02:24 |
| Tonio_ | but as you don't think we should change the installation path... :) | 02:24 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the extra thing doesn't include it, but includes dimg.h which includes it | 02:25 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: and what's the #include line in that? | 02:26 |
| Tonio_ | #include "digikam_export.h" | 02:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that's why I think changing the directory is better ;) | 02:26 |
| Riddell | yes, I agree then | 02:27 |
| allee | Tonio_: all version since 0.7.4 have digikam_export.h in /usr/include/kde3. Not the digikam subdir. So the digikam.install file needs fixing | 02:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay, let's do that way then :) | 02:27 |
| Riddell | put it in /usr/include/kde3 | 02:27 |
| Tonio_ | allee: ah ? okay | 02:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: well it is /usr/include/kde here | 02:27 |
| Tonio_ | not kde3 | 02:27 |
| Riddell | hmm, so it is | 02:28 |
| Riddell | ok, put it in /usr/include/kde | 02:28 |
| Tonio_ | allee: okay I'll do that way, there might be a reason for this then....... | 02:28 |
| allee | Tonio_: oh, right no 3 | 02:28 |
| Tonio_ | allee: but that's not clean in my opinion ;) | 02:28 |
| allee | Tonio_: I tend to agree. But a clean fix can wait until rc3 or final | 02:31 |
| Tonio_ | allee: sure | 02:32 |
| Tonio_ | allee: well I'm rebuilding and reuploading digikam, and then once built I'll upload the plugins | 02:32 |
| Tonio_ | since building with the current version will produce empty deb | 02:33 |
| Tonio_ | sad that those plugins are so big, since they are really great ! | 02:33 |
| Tonio_ | I'd like to have them on the cd | 02:33 |
| Riddell | new kdebase is in -updates | 02:34 |
| Tonio_ | great | 02:35 |
| Tonio_ | ho I have to ping mdz concerning digikam on edgy..... nobody gave a look to my sru proposal | 02:35 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: he's not doing SRU | 02:36 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: it's cjwatson that's doing it in theory | 02:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay I'll ping him then | 02:36 |
| allee | Tonio_: not sure if this distinction is possible and worth the work, but one could splitt into digikamimaplugins -base and -extras | 02:36 |
| Tonio_ | allee: hum maybe yes, that's an idea... with a meta to provide everything, that can make sense | 02:38 |
| Tonio_ | I can't wait for the new kaffeine with the kpart fix........... | 02:40 |
| Tonio_ | allee: just read that yesterday, upstream is finally fixing the kpart crashing konqueror issue :) | 02:41 |
| Tonio_ | allee: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=9802&forummode=2&forumpage=16&forumexplevel=99 third message | 02:43 |
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| Riddell | work of perfection http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/language-selector-kcontrol.png | 03:02 |
| Riddell | http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/language-selector-kcontrol2.png | 03:02 |
| raphink | nice | 03:03 |
| raphink | Riddell: I wonder if this box could actually be presented the way keyboard layouts are | 03:04 |
| raphink | maybe it would make it easier to use | 03:04 |
| Riddell | which box? | 03:04 |
| raphink | I mean the language-selector module | 03:05 |
| Riddell | with tickboxes? | 03:05 |
| raphink | no I mean | 03:05 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: is clicking to "default" always putting english in the first place ? | 03:05 |
| raphink | instead of having a single list of selected languages | 03:05 |
| raphink | and a menu to add languages | 03:05 |
| Tonio_ | that's a very old kubuntu bug | 03:05 |
| raphink | to have it the way the keyboard layout selector is | 03:05 |
| Tonio_ | maybe a kde one | 03:05 |
| raphink | as in | 03:05 |
| raphink | two colomns | 03:05 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: C is US English yes | 03:05 |
| raphink | one for the available languages | 03:05 |
| raphink | the other for the selected ones | 03:05 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: argh..... I'd like to see that fixed for feisty.... | 03:06 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I checked once and I think this is hardcoded stuff... | 03:06 |
| raphink | yes it is | 03:06 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but yeah, the idea is pretty great | 03:06 |
| raphink | I remember taht | 03:06 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: yeah we checked together | 03:06 |
| raphink | yep | 03:06 |
| Tonio_ | is it hard to read tne env variables ? :) | 03:07 |
| raphink | not to mention the fact that you get only US listed when yo ufirst open the module | 03:07 |
| raphink | even if your system is not in English | 03:07 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum I forgot that about ksynaptics..... to let it work you have to manually touch xorg.conf to activate shared memory... | 03:07 |
| Tonio_ | Shared Memory is not accessible. | 03:08 |
| Tonio_ | Please add the option 'SHMConfig ''on''' into the touch pad section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf | 03:08 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: oh, that's evil | 03:08 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: it is | 03:08 |
| Tonio_ | no way to include that in main then...... | 03:09 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I will probably just patch the desktop file to come in systemsettings and that's it | 03:09 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: well no security issue as long as it is optional and requires the user to do it, but that'll give a bunch of complains if we provide this | 03:10 |
| Tonio_ | and the point is that we cannot, of course, automate this xorg.conf change.... | 03:10 |
| Tonio_ | sh** | 03:10 |
| Riddell | nope | 03:11 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: how about a script that would ask user "do you want to activate this ?" | 03:11 |
| Tonio_ | as long as it is not automatic.... | 03:12 |
| Riddell | risky | 03:12 |
| Riddell | couldn't go in main anyway | 03:12 |
| Tonio_ | hum, forget this, hard to do and dangerous.... | 03:13 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay I'm just fixing the package for systemsettings and that's it | 03:13 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: one thing we should do is listing and fixing all packages that provide a kcm module | 03:13 |
| Tonio_ | since they don't appear in systemsettings by default | 03:13 |
| Riddell | well system settings should merge them in by default | 03:13 |
| Riddell | it's system settings that needs fixed | 03:14 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum, well the problem is that we have splitted catgories compares to kcontrol | 03:14 |
| Tonio_ | but we should use kcontrol categories as much as we can I agree | 03:15 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I can do that, I'll fix systemsettings then | 03:15 |
| Tonio_ | that will replace ksynaptics stuff then ;) | 03:15 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but just to be sure : how do we want to hide things in systemsettings if we use the kcontrol categories ? | 03:16 |
| Tonio_ | we need to provide all the desktop files with a NoDisplay=true tag then no ? | 03:17 |
| Tonio_ | I think that's because we hide things that we used different tags | 03:17 |
| Riddell | they can be hidden in the /etc/xdg/menus/system-settings.menu file | 03:20 |
| Riddell | use <Exclude></Exclude> or something | 03:21 |
| Riddell | certinaly don't edit the .desktop files, that'll hide them in KControl too | 03:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: sure, so in fact we have to go back to the way it worked before :) | 03:23 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: any idea why it was changed? | 03:23 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: we should ask Sime | 03:23 |
| Tonio_ | he did this | 03:23 |
| Riddell | but we do include categories <Category>X-KDE-systemsettings-administration</Category> etc | 03:24 |
| Riddell | why doesn't that let ksynaptics show up? | 03:24 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: because the tag isn't the same :) | 03:25 |
| Tonio_ | X-KDE-systemsettings-administration <> X-KDE-administration | 03:25 |
| Tonio_ | that's why I suggested to patch the kcm modules in universe | 03:25 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the tags for systemsettings inclusion are now specific to systemsettings | 03:25 |
| Riddell | so why do we change the category names? | 03:25 |
| Riddell | that makes no sense to me, they wouldn't be used | 03:26 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: because according to Sime the idea was to display only what we want instead of hidding what we don't want | 03:26 |
| Tonio_ | I don't know why he did this but he did the change, I remember clearly discussing this with him.... | 03:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: good lunch :) | 03:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll ping him and we'll fix this | 03:26 |
| Tonio_ | HU ? Reiser is in prison ??? omg.... | 03:28 |
| Tonio_ | I just discovered that news.... | 03:29 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 03:51 |
| Jucato | boo | 03:51 |
| bddebian | aaahh | 03:54 |
| bddebian | :) | 03:54 |
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| Tonio_ | hey bddebian | 04:10 |
| nixternal | Riddell: you just one upped me with the Herd2 beginning ;) | 04:13 |
| bddebian | Hi Tonio_ | 04:26 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: see pitti in #ubuntu-devel | 04:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yup | 04:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm not sure to understand what's soname issue you were talking about with allee... that's too "developer" thing for me ;) | 04:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: can you explain me a bit please ? | 04:39 |
| Tonio_ | that would help as I'm not very used to package libs :) | 04:40 |
| Tonio_ | or allee maybe ? | 04:42 |
| ryanakca | why does libc6 have locales as a dependency and a suggests at the same time? wouldn't having it as a dependency kindof automaticly have it as a "suggests"? | 04:43 |
| allee | Tonio_: I've to leave soon (christmas presents). so tersly: soname are used by object loader to locate libs. As soon (and only then) when the installation of a new lib will break apps linked agaist older version, develper, should change the soname. Soname is usually lib<namem>.so.<major>. That allows to have several API/ABI revisions of a lib installed. | 04:54 |
| Lure | Tonio_: in short, if API/ABI changes (different function return values/arguments), then soname (shared object name) should change as it will break all apps that link with it | 04:57 |
| allee | Tonio_: as ABI/API breakage should not happen with each release it makes no sense to use tarball version in soname. (usal is 1 2 3 4 ) | 04:57 |
| Tonio_ | allee: okay makes sense now, thanks for the tip | 04:59 |
| allee | Tonio_: exiv uses pkg version in soname, that raised some doubts ;) | 04:59 |
| Tonio_ | okay now it is clear :) | 04:59 |
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| allee | Tonio_: yound libs may break ABI with each release, nevertheless it's not good pratcive to release-version == soname-major | 05:01 |
| allee | bbl | 05:01 |
| Tonio_ | allee: seya | 05:02 |
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| Riddell | hmm, christmas presents | 05:04 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_: still planning to sort out the Meeting page and UWN? | 05:30 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes I'm doing that toonight probably | 06:03 |
| Riddell | groovy | 06:03 |
| Tonio_ | not time before that.... unfortunately | 06:03 |
| nixternal | anyone having issues with gnupg after the update? | 06:19 |
| nixternal | nixternal@MasTequila:~$ gpg --list-keys | 06:20 |
| nixternal | gpg: can't open `/home/nixternal/.gnupg/pubring.gpg' | 06:20 |
| nixternal | gpg: keydb_search_first failed: file open error | 06:20 |
| nixternal | lovely | 06:20 |
| nixternal | fixed...stupid update chown the file root:root | 06:21 |
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| jjesse | quick question bug #70102 still exists in feisty hurd 1, in edgy it was reported against the package linux-source-2.6.17 should i change it to the current kernel in feisty? | 07:33 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 70102 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Toshiba Satellite A70 always reports lid as closed" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/70102 | 07:33 |
| Riddell | jjesse: don't think it matters | 07:35 |
| jjesse | should i just say that i'm still having the problem in feisty? | 07:35 |
| Lure | jjesse: yes | 07:36 |
| jjesse | ok | 07:36 |
| jjesse | add lshal like last time? | 07:36 |
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| Lure | Riddell: anything missing in SRU for /.hidden - bug 75017 | 08:10 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 75017 in kubuntu-default-settings "SRU request: remove /.hidden file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/75017 | 08:10 |
| Lure | Riddell: where is the source repo for k-d-s to grab the diff and attach it? | 08:10 |
| Lure | Tonio_: ^^^ | 08:10 |
| Riddell | Lure: kdebase got in edgy-updates by the way, no complaints so far | 08:11 |
| Riddell | Lure: launchpad.net/products/kubuntu-default-settings | 08:11 |
| Lure | Riddell: bzr? | 08:11 |
| Riddell | Lure: yes, click on Code and it'll give you the bzr branch | 08:11 |
| Riddell | Lure: background on 75017 is good but if course it misses the debdiff | 08:12 |
| Riddell | Lure: you should just do a debdiff against the k-d-s in edgy, not frombzr | 08:13 |
| Lure | Riddell: that is what I plan to do - I am just looking for what Tonio_ did exactly to backport exactly the same change | 08:13 |
| Lure | Riddell: ok, right - I can do debdiff edgy feisty.... | 08:14 |
| Riddell | Lure: but change the changelog entry for the distro (edgy-proposed) and version number -XubuntuX.1 | 08:15 |
| Lure | Riddell: will prepare it for review before attaching ;-) | 08:16 |
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| Lure | Riddell: since k-d-s does not have debian/patches, is it OK that debdiff changes orig.tar.gz directly? | 08:39 |
| Riddell | Lure: since it's just a 1 line edit in the Makefile that should be fine | 08:41 |
| Riddell | leave the actual file there, just don't install it | 08:41 |
| Lure | ok, so Makefile, .postinst and change log | 08:42 |
| Lure | Riddell: will boot into edgy and test first | 08:42 |
| Riddell | yep | 08:44 |
| Lure | Riddell: actually, I think postinst in feisty is not enough for users upgrading from edgy - it does not remove existing symlink | 08:46 |
| Riddell | doesn't need to, it'll be removed by not being in the file | 08:46 |
| Riddell | s/file/package/ | 08:46 |
| Lure | Riddell: but symlink was created by postinst script (ln -s) - will it work still!? | 08:47 |
| Riddell | oh, so it is. bummer | 08:48 |
| Riddell | but for the update, should be enough just not to install the /etc file | 08:48 |
| Riddell | don't need to touch the postinst | 08:48 |
| jjesse | i noticed that bug 36552 hasn't been updated since 2006-04-21 can we close this bug? or does anyone know if there is still a problem? | 08:49 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 36552 in kdenetwork "Kubuntu Flight 5: kwifimanager unable to perform scan" [Medium,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/36552 | 08:49 |
| Lure | Riddell: but then we will leave the users with dangling symlink in /.hidden | 08:50 |
| Riddell | does no harm | 08:52 |
| Riddell | and means if they have edited their .hidden file to their preferences, that won't magically disappear | 08:52 |
| Lure | Riddell: we could any remove if symlinks still points to original location | 08:53 |
| Riddell | jjesse: probably a problem on his card, ask if it's still an issue and close after some time if no response | 08:53 |
| Riddell | Lure: pardon? | 08:53 |
| Lure | new postinst could check if /.hidden is symlink and points to /usr/shares/k-d-s/... then remove it, otherwise leave it intact | 08:54 |
| Riddell | it's not necessary for the update, so don't do it | 08:57 |
| Riddell | updates should do the minimum possible | 08:57 |
| Lure | Riddell: I am concerned that mdz/cjwatson will not like leaving dangling sym link in / | 09:00 |
| Riddell | Lure: I know they won't like doing more than necessary in a SRU | 09:03 |
| Riddell | (which doesn't mean you're not right, but my bets are on leaving it) | 09:03 |
| Lure | Riddell: ok, we can add later if they complain | 09:06 |
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| Lure | Riddell: it does not work w/o removing the symlink as old file stays in /etc/k-d-s - will add code to remove symlink instead | 09:42 |
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| Lure | ryanakca: apt-get segfaulting? feisty or edgy? | 09:48 |
| ryanakca | edgy | 09:48 |
| ryanakca | just a sec | 09:48 |
| ryanakca | [15:44] <ryanakca> why does apt* keep on crashing with a sigsev? backtrace : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35927/ I've reinstalled apt and libc6 and rebooted as well to try to fix the problem. I've remove /var/lib/apt/lists/*, same problem. run sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a, same problem | 09:48 |
| ryanakca | I've been trying to get it fixed for a couple of days now | 09:49 |
| Lure | ryanakca: i386? | 09:50 |
| Lure | otr amd64? | 09:50 |
| ryanakca | it's a 686 | 09:51 |
| ryanakca | yep | 09:51 |
| ryanakca | Sysinfo for 'rkavanagh': Linux 2.6.17-10-386 running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: Pentium III (Coppermine) at 996 MHz (1995 bogomips), HD: 42/186GB, RAM: 371/375MB, 142 proc's, 20.26h up | 09:51 |
| Lure | ryanakca: can you do "bt" before exit in gdb? does it print more stach than just strlen? | 09:51 |
| ryanakca | yeah... looks like it's all libc6 stuff... even though I've reinstalled it... just a sec | 09:52 |
| Lure | Riddell: can you review this debdiff http://lure.homelinux.net/kubuntu/k-d-s.debdiff? | 09:54 |
| Lure | Tonio_: ^^^ | 09:54 |
| ryanakca | http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/aptsigsev | 09:54 |
| ryanakca | should I put it threw strace? | 09:57 |
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| Lure | ryanakca: nothing on that link - is it correct? | 10:09 |
| ryanakca | erm... no... my apache server must be sick | 10:09 |
| ryanakca | here we go... I've got all my straces and the outputs from gdb in aptsigsevs.tar.gz... should I e-mail it to you? I'd stick it on apache... but for some reason it refuses to start | 10:12 |
| Lure | ryanakca: ok - lure @ ubuntu . com | 10:13 |
| ryanakca | kk, ty, just a sec | 10:13 |
| ryanakca | sent | 10:15 |
| Lure | ryanakca: if you remove /var/lib/apt/lists/*, is then the strace the same? | 10:30 |
| Riddell | Lure: you did edit the postinst? | 10:30 |
| Lure | Riddell: I had to - it does not work otherwise, as /etc/k-d-s/ file is not removed (as it is config file) | 10:31 |
| Lure | Riddell: I have tested this carefully so it should be pretty safe | 10:31 |
| ryanakca | nope, but still sigsevs | 10:32 |
| Riddell | right | 10:32 |
| Riddell | hmm, config files should be removed | 10:32 |
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| ryanakca | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35962/ | 10:33 |
| Lure | Riddell: they are not :-( | 10:34 |
| Lure | Riddell: I have tested it carefully by simulating all cases (no .hidden, .hidden is regular file, .hidden is simlink to some other location...) | 10:34 |
| Lure | Riddell: it removes it only if sym link and only if it points to /etc/k-d-s/hidden-root | 10:35 |
| Lure | Riddell: can I attach and finalize SRU? | 10:35 |
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| Lure | ryanakca: this is really strange - I do not understand what beside libc6 could be the problem - this is more or less only dependancy they share... | 10:42 |
| Lure | ryanakca: but it crashes in strlen() which is so widely used that it is unbeliveable | 10:42 |
| ryanakca | yeah | 10:51 |
| ryanakca | file a bug report? | 10:52 |
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| Lure | ryanakca: yes | 10:53 |
| ryanakca | kk | 10:57 |
| nixternal | who sent me a book through amazon? | 10:58 |
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| nixternal | i got my python books today, and then there was a "Security+ Guide to Network Security" as well, and I never ordered it/paid for it, and it isn't on my wishlist :) | 10:58 |
| Riddell | Lure: sure, attach away | 11:01 |
| Lure | Riddell: ok | 11:01 |
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| Lure | Riddell: I think bug 75017 is now all set according to SRU rules | 11:10 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 75017 in kubuntu-default-settings "SRU request: remove /.hidden file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/75017 | 11:10 |
| Lure | Riddell: you should probably put some comment about you supporting this, as I am not even motu and they might ignore it ;-) | 11:15 |
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| Riddell | Lure: added | 11:51 |
| Lure | Riddell: thanks | 11:52 |
| Lure | Riddell: not sure how quickly SRUs are processed as there are quite some in queue | 11:52 |
| Lure | Riddell: there 4 just for Kubuntu... | 11:54 |
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