=== _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-059-071.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:29] yay, a kubuntu universe team @ launchpad? :) [12:30] yes, thank you allee :) [12:31] lotusleaf: well, that just first step to get a bit of an overview ;) Your welcome as the first kubuntu-universe-member ;) [12:32] allee: oh? am I already a member? sweet! thank you, & thank you for bringing this up at the meeting [12:32] no, but I will do it, promised :) [12:32] (: [12:33] lotusleaf: first I need some sleep [12:33] someone called tonio just subscribed to kubuntu-bugs [12:33] allee: ha! nn [12:33] lol [12:34] Riddell: took him long enough :) [12:36] Kubuntu Universe..new one I take it [12:38] Riddell: argh you saw me ;) [12:38] hehe shame on me :) I receive lots of bugs via launchpad but yeah I completly forgot to subscribe to this ;) [12:38] I wanted to do it silently, hidden...... === Tonio_ eats and does ksynaptics toonight [12:39] heh, i must have subscribed a long time ago [12:40] yay Tonio_ because I am buying a new laptop soon with a synaptics touch pad, as I don't like the erasers [12:40] nixternal: well in fact I was comfortable using launchpad to receive all bugs, but yeah the ML is probably better :) [12:40] ya, with the ML you won't miss a K bug for sure [12:43] [00:41] composite-by-default has been deferred? :( [12:43] that is good for us, as we did not plan it anyway ;-) [12:43] \o/ YAY \o/ [12:43] please, never do composite by default, I don't care how pretty it is. lets wait for the new Kwin [12:48] nixternal: bah we don't want gtk deps anyway..... [12:48] another good point [12:54] Riddell: where is the current page to modify on the wiki for next UWN ? [12:55] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue24 [12:55] hmm [12:55] great thanks [12:56] ya, they edit it in gobby, so Tonio_ contact Burgundavia or Burgwork and provide him some info if need be [12:56] Tonio_: it's being edited just now, you'll need to poke Burgwork toot sweet [12:57] toot sweet? [12:57] that is a new one [12:58] Riddell, nixternal : okay thanks for the info [12:58] nixternal: it's french [12:58] Riddell: is it ? [12:58] ahhhhhhhhhhh [12:58] tout de suite :) [12:58] haha [12:59] Riddell: need to do it right now ? [12:59] Tonio_: I'm talking to him if you want to snooze [12:59] Riddell: not snoozing, I'm cooking :) [12:59] I don't want it to burn in fact.... 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[11:33] Riddell: need restart X after set up === poningru [n=poningru@ip72-209-68-178.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:39] freeflying|away: I'm adding support to language-selector for turning it on, I just feel dirty saying "you need to re-log in for this to take affect" === poningru [n=poningru@ip72-209-68-178.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@86-39-7-147.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:07] \sh: ping [12:08] \sh: URL for your fai 3 dapper backport? === marseillai_ [n=cyril@AMarseille-256-1-131-156.w90-10.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@210.213.222.253] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [12:12] Tonio_, nixternal: either of you looked at merging gwenview? [12:13] Riddell: will do [12:13] Riddell: hi ;) [12:14] Riddell: did you see with corey concerning the uwn ? [12:14] Tonio_: that wasn't necessarily a request :) [12:15] Riddell: no but well I have time, so... I'm doing it right now [12:15] Tonio_: corey said it should go in next week's UWN since the one he was working on was for last week [12:16] Riddell: okay thanks, I'll look at adding the modifications [12:16] Tonio_: if you want to look at the translation issue at the same time see if you can work out what strings are in the upstream .pot (from gwenview-i18n) and are missing from ours [12:17] although it might be due to the .pot filename [12:19] Riddell: yup [12:21] Riddell: how do you proceed on that point ? [12:22] do you simply upload the pot file on rosetta ? I don't think we have that package [12:22] ah.... we have it sorry ;) [12:22] Tonio_: I need to fix it generally for all extragear.po files, I think it'll need various packages changes and all the kde-i18n-xx packages changed [12:23] the filename in KDE SVN is different from the one that's actually needed, is the problem [12:23] (I think) [12:23] Riddell: well we can have issues since we have gwenview-i18n 1.4.1 and gwenview 1.4.0 packages.... [12:23] can't that cause issues ? [12:24] I'm not a specialist of translation things so.... [12:24] yes, that's why you said you were about to merge gwenview 1.4.1 :) [12:24] someone just wrote https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KolabMailServer [12:24] Riddell: argh ! [12:24] Riddell: gwenview now depends on exiv2 too..... [12:24] the problem is afaik exiv is in universe... [12:25] oh rocking, quick, write a main inclusion review before Martin gets round to his batch of reviews [12:25] configure: error: You are missing libexiv2, which is required to compile Gwenview [12:25] Riddell: hehe, yes will do that today [12:25] but don't let it stop your merge and upload [12:27] Riddell: writing it right now === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:32] Riddell: Kolab? cool, heh, but he chooses the openpkg way, not the debian pkgs [12:34] allee: are there any sane debian packages? [12:35] Riddell: they are not supported upstream of course, but it looks like the README.Debian file reaches some sort of perfection ;) [12:35] allee: where are they? [12:35] sebas: does that idle time detection need xscreensaver? [12:36] Riddell: alioht pkg-kolab AFAIR [12:36] yeah, pkg-kolab [12:36] Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportExiv2 [12:36] Riddell: I think it is okay [12:38] Tonio_: there's a library in exiv2, but you deleted the line about complying to library policy [12:38] Riddell: hum true, yes, I'm adding it === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:39] Riddell: well I've checked at approved libs approved by pitty, they don't include this too, this is why I didn't put that [12:40] Riddell: Don't think so. It links against xss, however. === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:40] right [12:41] Riddell: added [12:41] sebas: hey ;) [12:41] Tonio_: well he can see it himself, but it's always good for him to know you checked too [12:41] sebas: did you get the modified icons in my guidance tarball ? [12:41] Hey Tonio_ [12:41] Tonio_: Which tarball? [12:41] I'm running guidance pre-svn all the time :> [12:41] sebas: I released a svn snapshot in guidance feisty, including modified icons for powermanager === allee wonder is exiv2 introduced slots of soname transition fun or if upstream get's sonames wrong [12:42] sebas: want a tar file ? [12:42] Tonio_: Sure, but I already have Ken's new icons ... what icons do you have modified? [12:42] Riddell: gwenview built and uploaded [12:43] sebas: 80% is missing, and there is another one causing an issue.... don't remember which one [12:43] sebas: I'm sending you the icons so that you can check by yourself the changes I've done [12:44] sebas: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/icons.tar.Gz [12:44] sebas: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/icons.tar.gz [12:44] sorry ;) [12:44] 404 [12:45] sebas: refresh :) [12:45] allee: what's wrong with it? [12:45] got it. [12:46] Tonio_: It's a mess, it contains old and new icons. [12:46] sebas: hu ? [12:46] Such as the directory in svn :/ [12:46] sebas: yes, but I only changed the icons that are currently used, as 80% was missing and there is another one I had to replace [12:46] I never said I cleaned the thing ;) [12:46] Well, the 'lying battery' (newer, more fine-grained) and the 'standing' [12:47] Tonio_: I'll check so it works with svn and clean that one up then. [12:47] Deal? [12:47] sebas: sounds good [12:47] battery-charged.png was wrong afaicr [12:47] Ok, back to administrative KDE work then. [12:47] Aye. [12:48] I changed this one, and added new battery-charging-080.png and battery-discharging-080.png [12:48] this is the changes I've done if my remembering is correct [12:48] Thanks [12:49] Riddell: I have digikamimageplugins 0.9rc2 too but I wait for digikam to build before uploading [12:49] Tonio_: don't [12:49] Riddell: why ? [12:49] no pointing blocking on archive administration [12:50] Riddell: hum, okay so I have to test the build locally before :) [12:51] Riddell: well I noticed that when a package is in dependancy wait, it is very long even once the dep has built to come back to needs building state, that was my point [12:51] Riddell: by "don't" you mean don't upload or don't wait ? ;) === Tonio_ just woke up..... sorry [12:51] don't wait [12:52] upload digikam, upload digikamimageplugins with the necessary build-deps, wait for archive to sort itself out [12:52] Riddell: okay will do === Tonio_ coffee time..... and get my nintendo wii at 1 pm :) [12:53] I know I should be too old for this but well...... ^^ === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_at_home [n=jack@222.131.251.49] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:41] Riddell: well, a soname change usualy means that you have to adapt all apps using the lib. Otherwise you end up with with several version of the libs (and -dev pkgs too unless you accept to old deb can be rebuild) === shnee [n=CurtyD13@cpe-65-24-168-255.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:42] allee: yes, why is there an soname change? [01:46] Riddell: not sure I had a quick look at the headers lot's of things have changed, but I don't know if they are part of the public interface. [01:47] Riddell: at least one enum change definitely break the API it it's part of the public interface, but it could have been writen differentliy to not affect API [01:47] Riddell: I'll ping Gilles, what really going on. [01:47] Riddell: little question.... I have an issue with digikam, since a .h file required by digikamimageplugins is missing in the deb... [01:47] Riddell: I can fix this by forcing the installation in the .install file, works, but is dirty [01:48] Riddell: have another idea ? [01:48] I can do it via rules.... but I wonder what to change in the sources to get the .h file installed correctly... [01:48] Riddell: but so a soname modeled after pkg version looks wrong (maybe true for a yound lib with 0.* but conceptionally wrong) [01:49] Tonio_: really? digikamimageplugins rc2 build on edgy? Which header is missing? [01:49] s/edgy?/edgy./ [01:49] Tonio_: ask upstream why it isn't installed I guess [01:49] allee: yes it builds, no issue [01:49] Riddell: well as long as digikamimageplugins requires it, I assume it should be installed :) [01:50] allee: the missing file is digikam_export.h [01:50] Riddell: maybe a packaging issue probably... [01:50] I'm investigating === pinheiro [n=pinheiro@bl4-245-218.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:53] moin [01:53] Tonio_: I assume so all /usr/include/*.h should be installed [01:54] allee: they all are installed except this one.... this is what drives me nuts... [01:55] allee: well I can force the installation via debian/rules, but I'd like to understand first why it isn't installed... [01:57] Tonio_: wait I've now 0.12 installed and can rebuild digikam ... [01:58] allee: okay, tell me if you have /usr/include/kde/digikam/digikam_export.h [01:58] this is the missing one [01:58] k [01:58] allee: it looks like only the .h files under libs dir are installed.... === jpetso is now known as jpetso_away [01:59] this one is under digikam folder, that may explain [01:59] might be but I wonder why I got digikamimageplugins compiled here? [01:59] lets see ... [01:59] in a certain way that makes sense.... I wonder if that's not a debhelper trick [01:59] allee: it compiled for you ? [02:00] well it compiles here but just the mo files... digikam is ignored because of that issue [02:01] allee: well in any case I can do that with a one line in debian/rules... [02:01] Tonio_: then do it. I can later fix it upstream .. [02:02] yes, that's my thinking actually === marseillai [n=cyril@AMarseille-256-1-126-253.w90-10.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@unaffiliated/radiantfire] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:10] strange, should be installed Makefile.am has: include_HEADERS = digikam_export.h, ah it ends up in /usr/include/KDE3 not /usr/include/KDE3/digikam [02:10] allee: ah ? [02:10] Tonio_: I'll check if digikaminclude_HEADERS is the right thing [02:11] Tonio_: debian/tmp/usr/include/kde3 to be presise ;) [02:12] allee: debian/tmp/usr/include/kde here [02:12] allee: I install all of those files [02:12] debian/tmp/usr/include/kde/digikam/* [02:12] allee: it shouldn't be in kde/ afaik [02:12] the correct kde path isn't being passed to ./configure [02:13] Riddell: is a .h file supposed to be in ......./kde/ ? [02:13] debian/tmp/usr/include/kde/digikam/* is not debian/tmp/usr/include/kde/* ;) [02:13] allee: yes, but we should probably patch to install it under digikam instead.... [02:13] allee: works here [02:13] if it wants to, I don't see why not [02:14] Riddell: sure, but well that's not very clean, especially if all other files are going under digikam/ [02:14] it might not be a stable API [02:15] Riddell: would you suggest changing the install file or patch for the installation directory ? [02:15] I can do both [02:15] in which case it shouldn't be installed and digikamextrathings should probably have it own copy [02:15] well, it can still be installed I guess [02:16] Riddell: yes, sure, but well.... the easy way is to fix the .install file, but the nice way would be to fix the file installation I guess... [02:17] don't change where it's installed to [02:19] Riddell: okay I'll do that way then and just fix the install file === RadiantFire [n=ryan@unaffiliated/radiantfire] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:21] do which way? [02:22] Riddell: install /usr/include/kde/* [02:22] where does the extras thing #include it from? [02:22] Riddell: both case work [02:23] Riddell: I just tested and it works if the file ends up in kde/ or kde/digikam/ [02:24] my first idea was to mv the file from kde/ to kde/digikam/ during the install part [02:24] but as you don't think we should change the installation path... :) [02:25] Riddell: the extra thing doesn't include it, but includes dimg.h which includes it [02:26] Tonio_: and what's the #include line in that? [02:26] #include "digikam_export.h" [02:26] Riddell: that's why I think changing the directory is better ;) [02:27] yes, I agree then [02:27] Tonio_: all version since 0.7.4 have digikam_export.h in /usr/include/kde3. Not the digikam subdir. So the digikam.install file needs fixing [02:27] Riddell: okay, let's do that way then :) [02:27] put it in /usr/include/kde3 [02:27] allee: ah ? okay [02:27] Riddell: well it is /usr/include/kde here [02:27] not kde3 [02:28] hmm, so it is [02:28] ok, put it in /usr/include/kde [02:28] allee: okay I'll do that way, there might be a reason for this then....... [02:28] Tonio_: oh, right no 3 [02:28] allee: but that's not clean in my opinion ;) [02:31] Tonio_: I tend to agree. But a clean fix can wait until rc3 or final [02:32] allee: sure [02:32] allee: well I'm rebuilding and reuploading digikam, and then once built I'll upload the plugins [02:33] since building with the current version will produce empty deb [02:33] sad that those plugins are so big, since they are really great ! [02:33] I'd like to have them on the cd [02:34] new kdebase is in -updates [02:35] great [02:35] ho I have to ping mdz concerning digikam on edgy..... nobody gave a look to my sru proposal [02:36] Tonio_: he's not doing SRU [02:36] Tonio_: it's cjwatson that's doing it in theory [02:36] Riddell: okay I'll ping him then [02:36] Tonio_: not sure if this distinction is possible and worth the work, but one could splitt into digikamimaplugins -base and -extras [02:38] allee: hum maybe yes, that's an idea... with a meta to provide everything, that can make sense [02:40] I can't wait for the new kaffeine with the kpart fix........... [02:41] allee: just read that yesterday, upstream is finally fixing the kpart crashing konqueror issue :) [02:43] allee: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=9802&forummode=2&forumpage=16&forumexplevel=99 third message === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@210.213.222.150] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [i=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:02] work of perfection http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/language-selector-kcontrol.png [03:02] http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/language-selector-kcontrol2.png [03:03] nice [03:04] Riddell: I wonder if this box could actually be presented the way keyboard layouts are [03:04] maybe it would make it easier to use [03:04] which box? [03:05] I mean the language-selector module [03:05] with tickboxes? [03:05] no I mean [03:05] Riddell: is clicking to "default" always putting english in the first place ? [03:05] instead of having a single list of selected languages [03:05] and a menu to add languages [03:05] that's a very old kubuntu bug [03:05] to have it the way the keyboard layout selector is [03:05] maybe a kde one [03:05] as in [03:05] two colomns [03:05] Tonio_: C is US English yes [03:05] one for the available languages [03:05] the other for the selected ones [03:06] Riddell: argh..... I'd like to see that fixed for feisty.... [03:06] Riddell: I checked once and I think this is hardcoded stuff... [03:06] yes it is [03:06] Riddell: but yeah, the idea is pretty great [03:06] I remember taht [03:06] raphink: yeah we checked together [03:06] yep [03:07] is it hard to read tne env variables ? :) [03:07] not to mention the fact that you get only US listed when yo ufirst open the module [03:07] even if your system is not in English [03:07] Riddell: hum I forgot that about ksynaptics..... to let it work you have to manually touch xorg.conf to activate shared memory... [03:08] Shared Memory is not accessible. [03:08] Please add the option 'SHMConfig ''on''' into the touch pad section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf [03:08] Tonio_: oh, that's evil [03:08] Riddell: it is [03:09] no way to include that in main then...... [03:09] Riddell: I will probably just patch the desktop file to come in systemsettings and that's it [03:10] Riddell: well no security issue as long as it is optional and requires the user to do it, but that'll give a bunch of complains if we provide this [03:10] and the point is that we cannot, of course, automate this xorg.conf change.... [03:10] sh** [03:11] nope [03:11] Riddell: how about a script that would ask user "do you want to activate this ?" [03:12] as long as it is not automatic.... [03:12] risky [03:12] couldn't go in main anyway [03:13] hum, forget this, hard to do and dangerous.... [03:13] Riddell: okay I'm just fixing the package for systemsettings and that's it [03:13] Riddell: one thing we should do is listing and fixing all packages that provide a kcm module [03:13] since they don't appear in systemsettings by default [03:13] well system settings should merge them in by default [03:14] it's system settings that needs fixed [03:14] Riddell: hum, well the problem is that we have splitted catgories compares to kcontrol [03:15] but we should use kcontrol categories as much as we can I agree [03:15] Riddell: I can do that, I'll fix systemsettings then [03:15] that will replace ksynaptics stuff then ;) [03:16] Riddell: but just to be sure : how do we want to hide things in systemsettings if we use the kcontrol categories ? [03:17] we need to provide all the desktop files with a NoDisplay=true tag then no ? [03:17] I think that's because we hide things that we used different tags [03:20] they can be hidden in the /etc/xdg/menus/system-settings.menu file [03:21] use or something [03:21] certinaly don't edit the .desktop files, that'll hide them in KControl too [03:23] Riddell: sure, so in fact we have to go back to the way it worked before :) [03:23] Tonio_: any idea why it was changed? [03:23] Riddell: we should ask Sime [03:23] he did this [03:24] but we do include categories X-KDE-systemsettings-administration etc [03:24] why doesn't that let ksynaptics show up? [03:25] Riddell: because the tag isn't the same :) [03:25] X-KDE-systemsettings-administration <> X-KDE-administration [03:25] that's why I suggested to patch the kcm modules in universe [03:25] Riddell: the tags for systemsettings inclusion are now specific to systemsettings [03:25] so why do we change the category names? [03:26] that makes no sense to me, they wouldn't be used === Riddell lunches [03:26] Riddell: because according to Sime the idea was to display only what we want instead of hidding what we don't want [03:26] I don't know why he did this but he did the change, I remember clearly discussing this with him.... [03:26] Riddell: good lunch :) [03:26] Riddell: I'll ping him and we'll fix this [03:28] HU ? Reiser is in prison ??? omg.... [03:29] I just discovered that news.... === poningru [n=poningru@ip72-209-68-178.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:51] Heya [03:51] boo [03:54] aaahh [03:54] :) === \sh is now known as \sh_away [04:10] hey bddebian [04:13] Riddell: you just one upped me with the Herd2 beginning ;) [04:26] Hi Tonio_ [04:28] Tonio_: see pitti in #ubuntu-devel [04:28] Riddell: yup [04:39] Riddell: I'm not sure to understand what's soname issue you were talking about with allee... that's too "developer" thing for me ;) [04:39] Riddell: can you explain me a bit please ? [04:40] that would help as I'm not very used to package libs :) [04:42] or allee maybe ? [04:43] why does libc6 have locales as a dependency and a suggests at the same time? wouldn't having it as a dependency kindof automaticly have it as a "suggests"? [04:54] Tonio_: I've to leave soon (christmas presents). so tersly: soname are used by object loader to locate libs. As soon (and only then) when the installation of a new lib will break apps linked agaist older version, develper, should change the soname. Soname is usually lib.so.. That allows to have several API/ABI revisions of a lib installed. [04:57] Tonio_: in short, if API/ABI changes (different function return values/arguments), then soname (shared object name) should change as it will break all apps that link with it [04:57] Tonio_: as ABI/API breakage should not happen with each release it makes no sense to use tarball version in soname. (usal is 1 2 3 4 ) [04:59] allee: okay makes sense now, thanks for the tip [04:59] Tonio_: exiv uses pkg version in soname, that raised some doubts ;) [04:59] okay now it is clear :) === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@86-39-7-147.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:01] Tonio_: yound libs may break ABI with each release, nevertheless it's not good pratcive to release-version == soname-major [05:01] bbl [05:02] allee: seya === jjesse [i=user@69-87-140-222.async.iserv.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:04] hmm, christmas presents === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso_away is now known as jpetso [05:30] Tonio_: still planning to sort out the Meeting page and UWN? === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:03] Riddell: yes I'm doing that toonight probably [06:03] groovy [06:03] not time before that.... unfortunately [06:19] anyone having issues with gnupg after the update? [06:20] nixternal@MasTequila:~$ gpg --list-keys [06:20] gpg: can't open `/home/nixternal/.gnupg/pubring.gpg' [06:20] gpg: keydb_search_first failed: file open error [06:20] lovely [06:21] fixed...stupid update chown the file root:root === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@210.213.222.150] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [07:33] quick question bug #70102 still exists in feisty hurd 1, in edgy it was reported against the package linux-source-2.6.17 should i change it to the current kernel in feisty? [07:33] Malone bug 70102 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Toshiba Satellite A70 always reports lid as closed" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/70102 [07:35] jjesse: don't think it matters [07:35] should i just say that i'm still having the problem in feisty? [07:36] jjesse: yes [07:36] ok [07:36] add lshal like last time? === Tonio_ [n=tonio@139.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:10] Riddell: anything missing in SRU for /.hidden - bug 75017 [08:10] Malone bug 75017 in kubuntu-default-settings "SRU request: remove /.hidden file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/75017 [08:10] Riddell: where is the source repo for k-d-s to grab the diff and attach it? [08:10] Tonio_: ^^^ [08:11] Lure: kdebase got in edgy-updates by the way, no complaints so far [08:11] Lure: launchpad.net/products/kubuntu-default-settings [08:11] Riddell: bzr? [08:11] Lure: yes, click on Code and it'll give you the bzr branch [08:12] Lure: background on 75017 is good but if course it misses the debdiff [08:13] Lure: you should just do a debdiff against the k-d-s in edgy, not frombzr [08:13] Riddell: that is what I plan to do - I am just looking for what Tonio_ did exactly to backport exactly the same change [08:14] Riddell: ok, right - I can do debdiff edgy feisty.... [08:15] Lure: but change the changelog entry for the distro (edgy-proposed) and version number -XubuntuX.1 [08:16] Riddell: will prepare it for review before attaching ;-) === neoncode [n=neoncode@89.242.223.185] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@d51A4F0DC.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:39] Riddell: since k-d-s does not have debian/patches, is it OK that debdiff changes orig.tar.gz directly? [08:41] Lure: since it's just a 1 line edit in the Makefile that should be fine [08:41] leave the actual file there, just don't install it [08:42] ok, so Makefile, .postinst and change log [08:42] Riddell: will boot into edgy and test first [08:44] yep [08:46] Riddell: actually, I think postinst in feisty is not enough for users upgrading from edgy - it does not remove existing symlink [08:46] doesn't need to, it'll be removed by not being in the file [08:46] s/file/package/ [08:47] Riddell: but symlink was created by postinst script (ln -s) - will it work still!? [08:48] oh, so it is. bummer [08:48] but for the update, should be enough just not to install the /etc file [08:48] don't need to touch the postinst [08:49] i noticed that bug 36552 hasn't been updated since 2006-04-21 can we close this bug? or does anyone know if there is still a problem? [08:49] Malone bug 36552 in kdenetwork "Kubuntu Flight 5: kwifimanager unable to perform scan" [Medium,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/36552 [08:50] Riddell: but then we will leave the users with dangling symlink in /.hidden [08:52] does no harm [08:52] and means if they have edited their .hidden file to their preferences, that won't magically disappear [08:53] Riddell: we could any remove if symlinks still points to original location [08:53] jjesse: probably a problem on his card, ask if it's still an issue and close after some time if no response [08:53] Lure: pardon? [08:54] new postinst could check if /.hidden is symlink and points to /usr/shares/k-d-s/... then remove it, otherwise leave it intact [08:57] it's not necessary for the update, so don't do it [08:57] updates should do the minimum possible [09:00]