=== Mithrandir [n=tfheen@vawad-xen1.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gerrath_ [n=Gerrath@c-71-236-114-74.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@82.53.87.84] has joined #ubuntu-devel === barrett9h [n=doti@20151044048.user.veloxzone.com.br] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:41] composite-by-default has been deferred? :( === jonh_wendell [n=wendell@40-88-199-200.vcnet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:49] ailean: not sure i know a package was rejected because it didnt build fine [12:50] gnomefreak, i just see the deferred notice on LP [12:50] gnomefreak, i hope not - i really think it's what ubuntu and desktop linux needs [12:51] i never looked i think its a big thing with the binary drivers by default [12:51] well of course i understand that [12:51] sabdfl convinced me on the subject though :) [12:52] it was a good idea and i know the beryl devs are working towards it but the binary thing and the fail to build maybe why its deffered but i never saw the notice. [12:52] I never saw it either [12:53] nahh, i just mean that it's marked as deferred. i didn't see any statement or anything [12:53] beryl-core was i heard a FTB [12:53] you have link handy? [12:54] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/+specs [12:54] ty [12:54] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/composite-by-default even [12:55] I just don't see any notice in my email, which is odd === kaptengu [n=kaptengu@c213-100-60-132.swipnet.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:55] Burgwork, don't worry - i haven't received any email about it or anything [12:55] misunderstanding :) [12:55] it would have been in feisty-changes? [12:55] all i saw was the word "deferred" [12:56] well i'm subscribed to this feature and didn't receive any email about it [12:56] it could be that those changes don't trigger bug mail, which is odd [12:57] it's just weird that it's essential, but deferred :) [12:57] not the only spec [12:58] surely if it was essential, they'd find the time to work on it :D [12:58] i will find out from the effects team whats going on im sure someone there knows. wish i was able to be kept up-to-date being owner of it === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] lol [01:01] is it possible that some eedjit just went in and changed it without anyone's knowledge? [01:01] no. it won't let me [01:02] i'm not important enough [01:02] only keybuk or sabdfl can do that === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D897F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:02] keybuk isnt on atm maybe ill ping him later im sure he did it [01:03] asbdfl wanted it way too bad to deffer it this early i would think [01:03] mdz may also have done it, now that I think about it [01:03] s/asbdfl/sabdfl [01:03] he can change it? [01:05] i'm glad you agree it's strange [01:05] yes, as he is the registrant [01:06] unless they decided to go with the metacity composite work . . . [01:06] beryl-core must really be screwed up if the FTB is the reason [01:06] FTB? [01:06] failure to build? [01:06] FTBFS is the more common term [01:06] the metacity stuff is dead [01:07] what about compiz though, that was a serious option [01:07] soren is now working on compiz [01:07] why is it dead? [01:07] because it is [01:07] no one working on it? [01:07] s'what he said [01:08] yeah, it doesn't quite explain though :) [01:08] soren wrote it, and has since moved on to compiz [01:08] it happens [01:08] oh right [01:09] compiz has major issues as well [01:09] I wonder if my blog post has anything to do with this [01:10] someone's changed it === rmjb [n=richard@cuscon24589.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:11] cool, back to drafting [01:11] i'm happier [01:12] hmm, just changed again [01:12] not for me === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-94-74.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gerrath_ [n=Gerrath@c-71-236-114-74.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:13] changed from deferred to not started [01:13] yes its fixed just waits for upload to hit repos :) [01:14] this was the one feature i wanted to see in the default installation [01:17] hrm . . . "Sony Adds PS3 Support to Linux Kernel" http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/12/07/211214 === PuMpErNiCkLe [n=pumperni@about/essy/bacon/PuMpErNiCkLe] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@61.9.197.223] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === PuMpErNiCkLe [n=pumperni@about/essy/bacon/PuMpErNiCkLe] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mruiz [n=mruiz@pc-134-66-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying|away [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === PuMpErNiCkLe [n=pumperni@about/essy/bacon/PuMpErNiCkLe] has joined #ubuntu-devel === PuMpErNiCkLe [n=pumperni@about/essy/bacon/PuMpErNiCkLe] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gerrath_ [n=Gerrath@c-71-236-114-74.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@61.9.197.223] has joined #ubuntu-devel === frandavid100 [n=david@81-203-12-50.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:13] hello [02:13] I'd like to file a bug against the open dialog, what package would be the correct one? [02:17] anyone there? [02:18] the open dialog ? [02:18] the open file dialog that appears on any gnome app [02:19] since it's the same in every app, I assume it must be a separate package [02:19] I don't understand [02:19] but maybe I don't have enough knowledge [02:20] ok [02:20] sorry [02:20] I got it [02:20] that should be gtk ? [02:20] not sure === fernando__ [n=fernando@189.0.150.55] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:20] if you mean the file chooser, yes, that's gtk+2.0 [02:20] well I could try filing it in gtk [02:21] you sure? [02:21] fine then thanks ^^ === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-94-74.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:27] alright, bug filed [02:27] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/74907 [02:27] Malone bug 74907 in gtk+2.0 "nautilus and the "open file" dialog" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [02:27] thanks for your help guys, good night! === frandavid100 [n=david@81-203-12-50.user.ono.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:27] seb's going to have a field day with that one. === ehazlett [n=ehazlett@adsl-68-249-103-255.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seaLne [n=seaLne@ubuntu/member/sealne] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === interskh [n=skh@58.207.136.247] has joined #ubuntu-devel === debian_ [n=debian@hlfxns0146w-142167175150.pppoe-dynamic.ns.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cmpalmer [n=cmpalmer@pdpc/supporter/active/tarheelcoxn] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.228.3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:46] anybody able to speak as to the installability of a feisty daily cd build? === ScottK2_ [n=kitterma@static-72-81-252-22.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:47] (i have a system that requires 2.6.18+) === ScottK2__ [n=kitterma@static-72-81-252-22.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:53] wasabi: early today it was mentioned that e-d-s was uninstallable [03:53] wasabi: I'd still say get a herd1 cd :) [03:54] grabbing the latest daily build right now. i'll grab a herd1 just in case. [03:54] need a solution when i get into work tomorrow. =/ [03:54] new intel mobo. achi stuff. [03:54] ahci [03:55] ouch [03:55] yeah [03:55] Wonder how hard it would be to backport feisty's kernel to edgy. [03:56] probably pretty easy... would just have to go through the trouble of actually making a custom installer. [03:56] eh? why bother, what pci ids? you can probably work around. [03:56] hmm. guess a usb cdrom drive would solve the problem too. [03:56] It just can't read the IDE CDRom. [03:56] It gets the SATA drives fine though. [03:57] hmm. [03:57] kylem: lack of chipset support :( [03:58] kylem: it's a known issue with like the Core 2 Duo desktop chipsets [03:58] like the 965/975's [03:58] ayup. that'd be me. [03:58] they have really odd IDE chipsets [03:58] dg965 [03:58] that were merged in 2.6.18 === PuMpErNiCkEl [n=pumperni@about/essy/bacon/PuMpErNiCkLe] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:58] we tried backporting to 2.6.17 but none of those cherrypicks seem complete enough [03:58] are they odd as in "new" or odd as in "stupid?" [03:59] wasabi: new [03:59] as in, instead of a shiny well supported intel ICH* chipset [03:59] you get some random unknown company's cheap IDE chipset [03:59] hmm. [03:59] though the SATA chipset is the awesome ICH one [03:59] we'll see. [04:00] Ahh. So it's just the IDE chipset. [04:00] The SATA is fine? [04:00] wasabi: exactly [04:00] I might just run by fries and grab a SATA DVD writer to replace my current one then [04:00] fry's [04:00] and forget the entire problem. [04:00] I meant to do it anyways. [04:00] that'll work :) === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.16.86.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:01] wasabi: and btw a Feisty kernel should build on Edgy with no problems [04:01] suspected as much. [04:01] wasabi: you can actualyl just install feisty kernel debs on Edgy [04:01] just have to get edgy installed first. ;) [04:01] EXCEPT the gui components in l-r-m aren't gonna work [04:01] you can install the linux-image packages [04:01] and you should rebuild l-r-m-2.6.19 if you need them [04:01] With another CD drive, or setting up a PXE boot or some crap, I don't have anyway to get into a working system. :) [04:02] wasabi: I was told also that it behooves thee to backport initramfs-tools from Feisty too === luisbg [n=LuisB_G@87.217.144.155] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:02] I'll probably just install feisty. I ran it before I got the new box at work anyways. [04:02] I love breaking things. [04:03] it's going to be a super quick box yum. [04:03] 4 HD"s, RAID10 [04:03] e6600, 4gb ram. === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-080-165.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gerrath_ [n=Gerrath@c-71-236-114-74.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === luisbg_ [n=LuisB_G@87.217.147.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:45] jdong: backporting the feisty kernel to the edgy installer will be pretty messy unless you revert all the structural udeb changes === hunger_ [n=tobias@p54A72C5C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:45] if you do that it should be possible ... [04:46] may not be worth it for one system, though [04:47] i'll just install feisty. === cjwatson nods [04:47] and cross my fingers that the installer works. ;) [04:47] cjwatson: Hi. Hey, how do I properly ask to get packages brought from Debian that are not currently being synced? (Not new packages but probably blacklisted?) [04:47] bddebian: check in http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/sync-blacklist.txt to see if they're blacklisted and why === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:48] Hmm, not on that list [04:48] bddebian: if they aren't, they should be brought in automatically; just make a note to file bugs with ubuntu-archive subscribed shortly before UVF if they aren't [04:48] bddebian: example package? [04:48] mig and gnumach [04:48] And maybe hurd [04:49] Because they are ports? [04:49] hurd only builds for an architecture we don't support, so that won't happen [04:49] well, it might get synced I guess but won't build [04:50] Aye. Hurds not as important for now but I would like to get mig and gnumach if at all possible [04:50] err, those are all in feisty [04:50] mig | 1.3.1-2 | feisty/universe | source [04:50] gnumach | 2:1.3.99.dfsg.1-1 | feisty/universe | source [04:50] hurd | 20060825-2 | feisty/universe | source [04:50] all in sync with Debian [04:50] Hmm, strange [04:51] nevermind... Sorry [04:51] np [04:51] Is that new? [04:51] wasabi: I don't know of daily build breakage right at the moment ... well, Kubuntu ubiquity won't be happy, but ... [04:52] getting the alt image anyways [04:52] bddebian: no, not at all; those are all there right back to warty [04:52] bddebian: none of them have ever built though [04:52] How the hell have I missed those. Damn, I have GOT to get off the crack [04:53] bddebian: I suspect they need a manual bootstrap by infinity [04:53] Not a big deal as long as the source is synced. Thanks man. === bddebian cowers back to his hole feeling like an idiot === mat__ [n=mat@82.247.157.187] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:58] cjwatson: you're right, I didn't consider the installer... silly me :) [04:58] there are the following sources currently not blacklisted and not synced from Debian: attal-themes-medieval cdrskin etoile gnuradio iceape preview-latex python-gtk2-doc samizdat tagcoll2 xbase-clients xutils [04:59] I suspect all of those have problems of some kind that make sync-source bail out, and have to be thought about and resolved manually [04:59] for instance: E: tagcoll is in main but its source (tagcoll2) is not. [05:00] so tagcoll2 needs to be checked for suitability in main, and then forced in [05:01] I thought I brought in a new attal-themes-medieval in edgy? [05:02] bddebian: it's not a source package in edgy; presumably built by another source [05:02] cjwatson: Oh, I think it's built from attal now [05:02] looks like it got split out into a separate source package again in Debian, the way it was up to dapper, or similar [05:02] Ahh. Hmm [05:02] again, that's the sort of thing that needs to be resolved manually [05:03] Is that list posted somewhere? [05:03] no === bddebian copy and pasts [05:03] pastes even [05:03] probably should be, but you can ask an ubuntu-archive member to run 'new-source' in ~/syncs any time you're curious [05:03] (or in fact just run it, it cds itself) [05:03] thx [05:04] that's just main - there are other lists for contrib and non-free [05:04] contrib: acx100 atokx2 dguitar doom-package dynagen freemind fst gcc-doc-defaults googleearth-package groovy gwp horae ifeffit imgtex ipw2200 ipw3945 jabref kfolding libvpopmail-perl nvidia-cg-toolkit ogre-contrib opendict-lingvosoft openjump penguin php4-vpopmail pose pose-skins premail psyco-doc python-doc-defaults python-lame python-ldap-doc python2.5-doc q-tools susv2 tuxguitar vpopmail xserver-xorg-video-ivtvdev [05:04] nothing for non-free [05:05] gah, I don't "do" main :) [05:05] some of those should possibly be blacklisted (for now?), e.g. ipw3945 is in l-r-m [05:05] bddebian: Debian main not Ubuntu main [05:05] I wondered === cjwatson goes back to bed and hopes that the dog has stopped noisily licking herself [05:06] Heh, gnight cjwatson, thanks [05:06] np === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-babfa59397be544d] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _TomB [n=ownthebo@host81-152-42-42.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@blk-89-201-184.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AstralJava [n=jokitalo@cm-083-102-068-117.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mneptok [n=mneptok@montreal.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack_ [n=rudi@p508D98B7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dous [n=dous@124.105.155.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _human_blip_ [n=mike@220.157.65.29] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zOrK [n=eclipse@c-66-176-68-228.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kano [n=kano@91.64.67.21] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:36] hi, are the tools used to create the standard live cds freely available [07:37] did not find usefull info in the wiki [07:39] yes, see http://uck.sourceforge.net/ for example usage [07:39] thx === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:40] they are not really speedy but maybe it can be tuned a bit [07:42] did you ever think of sorting the image [07:44] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/optimized-live-cd-layout-for-faster-boot [07:47] thx, will look into it [07:49] do you know how this is done with knoppix like cds? [07:50] no, but Mithrandir may be interested [07:51] well i know how it is done manually. that basially works well, i c you use bootchart to optimize it [07:51] not bad that idea [07:52] opt. cds need a bit longer to install, but boot is faster === dous [n=dous@124.105.155.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:02] rodarvus: ping? === quail_linux [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:11] bye === Kano [n=kano@91.64.67.21] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === dous [n=dous@124.105.155.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:29] Good morning [08:30] morning pitti [08:31] hi Burgundavia, how are you? [08:31] not bad [08:33] need to sleep but waiting up for a conference call with jono and christina [08:34] heh, happy coffee drinking then [08:35] yep === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:36] Burgundavia; can't be later than 11:30 there... [08:36] yes, but the meeting is at 9am UTC [08:37] and i hate skype [08:37] shouldn't y'all be using ekiga or something? : [08:37] :) === interskh [n=skh@58.207.136.247] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [08:38] yes, but it works less well [08:38] somewhere richard stallman is crying [08:38] yes, he probably is [08:38] good. [08:39] cry for me, you stout little emo-hippie. [08:39] given I run madwifi, he is already crying [08:39] mneptok: you get very wierd when at work :) [08:39] s/when at work// === pitti hugs desrt [08:39] "Those who are willing to give up their freedom for a little temporary video conference deserve neither freedom nor conferencing." [08:39] pitti; hi :) [08:40] desrt: right [08:40] Burgundavia; ben franklin. seriously. [08:40] the man was a visionary [08:40] you want the actual quote? [08:40] i know it, thanks :p === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:43] Franklin denied authorship [08:44] (but it may still be him. no one will ever know for sure.) [08:44] for real? === desrt didn't know that [08:44] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Those_who_would_give_up_Essential_Liberty === pecisk [n=pecisk@purvc-44-54.maksinets.lv] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kagou [n=Kagou@84.5.163.158] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:47] hi [08:48] hi Kagou [08:48] hey pitti. How are you ? [08:49] Kagou: great, hacking on spec implementation like mad :) [08:49] :) === dade` [n=dade@nectarine/admin/dade] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:51] pitti: when i do a wish bug asking for a package sync from debian, must i assign someone to it ? [08:52] Kagou: no, but you need to subscribe ubuntu-archve [08:52] archive, even [08:53] Kagou: please read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources, section 'syncs' [08:53] Kagou: it links to my script that does everything for you (almost) === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:53] thanks pitti === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:59] doko_: wrt cyrus-imapd2.2 merge, does Debian use 4.4 or a < 4.3 version? [08:59] pitti: 4.2 [09:00] doko_: ah, ok; thanks === stu1 [n=stub@ppp-58.8.10.86.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:05] doko_: wrt bug 70957, shall I apply the patch myself or do you prefer doing that yourself? [09:05] Malone bug 70957 in python2.5 "support apport reporting for python programs" [Wishlist,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/70957 [09:06] pitti: I'm preparing new uploads for python2.4 and python2.5 [09:06] doko_: ah, great === pitti hugs doko_ [09:13] does it need all buildd's to complete before a package is moved to archive? [09:13] tepsipakki: no [09:13] tepsipakki: sources go straight in [09:14] tepsipakki: and binaries come whenever a buildd finishes building them [09:14] tepsipakki: (in the non-frozen development release case, anyway) [09:14] pitti: ok, thanks. I'm just wondering why evolution is not in yet, only ia64 build waiting, others completed [09:14] tepsipakki: probably stuck in NEW, due to a lib rename or so [09:14] ah, ok [09:15] tepsipakki: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/+queue?start=20 -> there [09:16] hm, weird, that only talks about translations === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@i59F75191.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bmon [n=monnahan@230.Red-88-16-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.16.187.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:34] hmm, it should be possible (in malone) to say that you're not interested in bugs for a particular distribution. [09:34] Mithrandir: there are a bunch of "don't bug me options", including the team membership one [09:35] Burgundavia: no such twiddles on https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-archive/+subscribedbugs nor the advanced search. [09:35] I'm not particularly interested in bugs which only affects baltix. [09:35] (because they've been fixed in Ubuntu) [09:40] Mithrandir: I've been looking for that option for a while too :( === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === opi [n=emil@193.151.114.10] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:46] morning. [09:50] hi opi [09:51] mvo: can I assign this to you ? [09:51] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/74899 [09:51] Malone bug 74899 in update-manager "crashed in saveDistUpgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] === Zdra [n=zdra@180.176-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:58] Riddell: merging libtunepimp === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:01] guys, tell me, was there an new XOrg upload? [10:02] opi: what is your issue? [10:02] doko_: that doesn't need merged, there's a new version out [10:02] Burgundavia, it seems to be ABI incompatible with prev version [10:03] Burgundavia, my friend is using openChrome drivers I've compiled from thier repos (as Edgy driver didn't work) === Kano [n=kano@91.64.67.21] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:03] Riddell: ok, please upload :) [10:03] hi [10:04] there is a uck to customize a live iso,but how was it created (from scratch) [10:04] Burgundavia, after upgrade hers desktop died and from synopis it looks like a Xorg can't load OC driver [10:04] especially the rootfs [10:04] opi: out of repo drivers are not really our issue, tbh [10:05] Burgundavia, yup, I just wanted to confirm if you guys uploaded'em, as I haven't seen this upgrade on my Edgy desktop === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:05] opi: there was a new xorg upload [10:05] Burgundavia, no that I blame you :-) [10:06] given I have coded or packaged exactly nothing on Ubuntu, I absolve myself of all responsibility :) [10:06] :P [10:06] OK, then I'm off to "How to compile video driver against Xorg tree in Ubuntu for females" :> [10:07] opi: is there a reason you need a custom dirver? [10:07] Burgundavia, via drivers provided by Eft are dying with "NO SCREEN" [10:07] then that is a bug. Please make certain it is filed [10:08] strong candidate for an SRU, if you can get some good data on it [10:08] Kano: deboosttsrap and apt-get [10:09] Burgundavia, and since she's living in Holland I have small amount time to debug it, and OC worked OOTB [10:09] Burgundavia, will do, she will be here on XMas and I'll get some time to inspect what's wrong with it [10:10] lifeless: thanks for 74899 === Lure_ [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:12] mvo: np. apport++ :) [10:13] mvo: also, what do you think of https://launchpad.net/bugs/74747 [10:13] Malone bug 74747 in Ubuntu "Default sources.list file has source packages enabled by default" [Undecided,Confirmed] [10:13] nice bug number :) [10:13] keescook: is the autogen test fix forwarded upstream? [10:14] lifeless: it's a feature in order to comply with the gpl, really. === seb128 [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-103-133.w90-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:14] hm, but for developers it's nice, and for the spirit of free software too, IMHO [10:14] Mithrandir: that's crack [10:14] well [10:14] Mithrandir: sources.list has nothing whatsoever to do with GPL compliance [10:14] the GPL concept I can see - but having synaptic auto-enable the sources *when requested for source* will achieve that just as well [10:15] elmo: it is? "Equivalent access" is the wording in the gpl and it's not hard to argue that it should be just as easy to get the source as the binaries. [10:15] pitti: lovely, but 95% of the people pulling down those sources.list don't use it. === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-94-74.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:15] Mithrandir: you can get to just as easy without downloading gigs of source data over time [10:15] Mithrandir: the sources are on the same server, in the same directory, it doesn't get much more equivalent [10:16] I think most people who aren't RMS agree with elmo on this one. [10:16] Mithrandir: if you want to argue that the GPL enforces equivalence all the way up the stack past simple http/ftp level, I think you're clinically insane [10:16] Burgundavia: *shrug* 95% of the users will download the daily apt-get update lists in vain, too [10:16] elmo: oh, lots of people would argue I'm insane. :-) [10:16] Burgundavia: and sources lists will change very little for stable users [10:16] I did, however, get involved in a flamewar with RMS about this 5 years ago or so, where I took elmo's position, and RMS *insisted* that the GPL required Debian to ship with deb-src lines in sources.list. [10:16] pitti: not really, as the auto-application of security updates is much more realistically useful. === Mithrandir shrugs and goes back to doing syncs. [10:17] it seems indeed that most users need universe more than they need deb-src [10:17] Incidentally, it's the last time I argued with him about anything. Or spoke to him, for that matter. === dous [n=dous@124.105.155.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:17] lifeless: (just reductio ad absurdum, sorry) [10:17] Sources.gz for stable/main is so small... [10:17] well [10:18] pitti: it may be small but with as many users as we have, each extra pair of HTTP IMS hits hurts [10:18] esp. for security.u.c [10:18] hmkay [10:18] (for the record, 18 kB for dapper-security main) [10:19] yes, but as elmo notes its 50% of the load on security [10:20] ok, I'm just afraid of those people which will start complaining about 'le huh? apt-get source doesn't work any more in feisty' [10:20] lifeless: apt-setup is responsible for seting up the sources.list. historically it was always including deb-src lines. but I think that the gpl does not really require that it is enable by default [10:20] I am mad or is that 103 GB, assuming 18kb and 6million IPs? === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:22] 'k, the server load argument is pretty compelling to me [10:23] doko_: any plans for a merge of subversion? [10:23] Riddell: no, infinity wants to merge apache2 first, then subversion === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:24] mvo: if we do that, then IMHO it should become much easier to enable sources; and we have to find a way for non-admins to get source, too === sabdf1 [n=sabdfl@87-194-36-33.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:25] pitti: easier than going to "repositories" and clicking on "source code"? its two clicks currently [10:25] mvo: ah, there === pitti didn't see that box, sory [10:26] np [10:26] doko_: right, cool [10:31] pitti: "le huh?" <- awesome [10:31] <_ion> Btw, couldn't archive.ubuntu.com (or e.g. nearest.archive.ubuntu.com, which would then be used in the default sources.list) be made to return the list of mirrors geographically closest to the client? For example, apt-cache show pdns-backend-geo === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F75191.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === [Ag0ny] [n=kaz@x12-162.dhnet.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:34] _ion: we have a spec about this for feisty [10:34] :) [10:34] good morning [10:36] <_ion> mvo: Ok, i'm reading it now. :-) [10:38] hey _ion [10:39] <_ion> Hi dholbach [10:40] <\sh> moins [10:40] Keybuk: is anyone processing sync requests? I've had no response to bug 73152 [10:40] Malone bug 73152 in pth "sync pth from unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/73152 [10:41] Riddell: I am doing it just now. [10:42] Riddell: wasn't any point processing them during freeze [10:42] fair point [10:43] thanks Mithrandir [10:44] Mithrandir/Keybuk: Can either of you please let a universe SRU into dapper-updates? [10:46] Fujitsu: has the motu SRU team decided on a policy yet? [10:46] dholbach: ^^ [10:47] Mithrandir: It has gone through the process as was decided a number of weeks ago, and been approved by motu-sru. [10:48] Fujitsu: ok, if it has ubuntu-archive subscribed, I'll try to get to it today, then. [10:49] Keybuk: we want people to not drop -Q parameters when calling modprobe, don't we? (About https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/dmraid/+bug/71980 ) [10:49] Malone bug 71980 in dmraid "Please sync dmraid from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [10:49] Mithrandir: Yep, it's been subscribed for some time now. Thanks! [10:49] Mithrandir: yeah, they're doing good work already [10:49] Mithrandir: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU and it's linked from StableReleaseUpdates [10:49] dholbach: ok, so the policy is in place. Great. :-) [10:49] dholbach: yeah, that's fine, but somebody said something about the policy not being finalised yet. [10:49] dholbach: but if it is, that's good. [10:50] Mithrandir: right [10:50] it has been for three or four weeks or something [10:52] Keybuk: thanks. [10:56] dholbach: I'm stuck with just one vote from the SRU team for bug 68380 ... [10:57] Malone bug 68380 in eclipse "eclipse for edgy-updates" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/68380 [10:57] doko_: afaik it's either "votes" or "after ... days" [10:59] dholbach: no, I don't see that [10:59] doko_: "After at least 5 persons have tested the package and attached a "works for me" comment to the bug and after a minimum aging period of 7 days, you may prepare a second upload to release-updates:" [10:59] oh, hm [11:00] dholbach: I'm still at 1) ... "A proposal is accepted, once three people from the MOTU-SRU team give their assent." [11:00] that's difficult, as the team has just five members [11:01] doko_: best to ping on the bug again - if you want to ping them privately: StevenK, crimsun, siretart, sistpoty are on the team [11:04] and someone called dholbach ... [11:05] doko_: somebody called me? [11:05] Mithrandir: (MoM) I requested syncs for libbsf-java and jakarta-log4j1.2 [11:06] doko_: there's no point asking on IRC; I'm going by the list of bugs ubuntu-archive is subscribed to. [11:07] Mithrandir: you misunderstand. [11:07] doko_: ok, please explain then [11:08] Mithrandir: going through python and java related MoM entries not assigned to me ... === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:08] doko_: oh, you mean "I stole your libbsf and jakarta-log4j1.2 merges"? Excellent! :-) [11:08] and these are/were assigned to you. === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.230.70] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:20] doko_: upload python! === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F75191.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === geser [n=michael@dialin111142.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:32] doko: so, what do I need to do to get a python2.x upload with the apport hook patch included ? [11:32]