[12:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: to be honnest, my current opinion is to keep them if they are improved, and remove them otherwise...
[12:16] <Tonio_> that's a bit hard, but well...
[12:16] <Tonio_> allee: your opinion ?
[12:16] <raphink> I find this .hidden thingy a bit confusing
[12:16] <allee> I hope that they can be improved, but otherwise ...
[12:16] <raphink> because you still see the stuff in a console
[12:16] <Lure> Tonio_: I do not think they are that bad (comapred to old media:/), but we should put issues to the wiki page to get Sime's attention
[12:16] <Tonio_> raphink: that's removed in feisty
[12:17] <raphink> but they don't appear in konqueror
[12:17] <raphink> yes I know Tonio_
[12:17] <Tonio_> Lure: I don't say they are bad, I say they are alpha stage
[12:17] <raphink> but I'm just generally wondering about it, since I had not noticed it before
[12:17] <raphink> because I never go to / in konqueror
[12:17] <Lure> Tonio_: but then media:/ is pre-alpha ;-)
[12:17] <Tonio_> Lure: the global rendering of icon names on the desktop for example is horrible for example
[12:17] <Tonio_> Lure: and try to browse /media with an audiocd....
[12:18] <Tonio_> there are lots of issues like this
[12:18] <yuriy> Tonio_, raphink: yeah that's an annoying one
[12:18] <raphink> I think audiocd:/ deserves to be better known
[12:18] <Tonio_> Lure: to me media:/ despite it doesn't work with non-kde apps, is more mature
[12:18] <raphink> yuriy: why?
[12:18] <Tonio_> but more limited
[12:18] <Lure> Tonio_: list issues on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDEMedia, or even open bugs
[12:18] <Tonio_> Lure: sure
[12:19] <Tonio_> okay we'll fill the bug list and ask sime his plans for feisty
[12:19] <yuriy> raphink: i meant, how it doesn't work with /media and that's the default now. i like audiocd:/ as well.  not too bad for me since i know about it, but not very discoverable with the patches
[12:19] <Tonio_> yuriy: well the desktop icon leads to audiocd:/
[12:19] <raphink> yes yuriy
[12:20] <Lure> Tonio_: there seem to be three pending patches on the page for audiocd:/
[12:20] <Tonio_> but the /media/cdrom icon leads to -> empty folder
[12:20] <Tonio_> that's eveil
[12:20] <raphink> Tonio_: which imo is good, since it's a really easy way to encode music
[12:20] <raphink> ala MacOS in a way
[12:20] <raphink> athough it doesn't allow settings
[12:20] <Tonio_> Lure: no the're in ;) I just forgot to update the wikipage
[12:20] <Lure> Tonio_: ok
[12:21] <yuriy> raphink: the settings for it are in system settings.  would be nice if there was a way to get there right from audiocd:/ though
[12:21] <raphink> yes
[12:22] <Tonio_> yuriy: well the ioslave is really slow btw.... nothing compares to k3b for ripping
[12:22] <raphink> yuriy: well I had not even seen these settings before
[12:22] <raphink> lol
[12:22] <raphink> eventhough I have worked on systemsettings in the past
[12:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: do we plan the next meeting now ?
[12:23] <allee> One more subject: Is kubuntu-team or the motu team the target team for KDE apps bus in universe.  I've the feeling that quite some bugs, reported quite some time before edgy release were not fixed?
[12:23] <yuriy> Tonio_: curious if there's a known reason it's slow and if anybody's working on it
[12:23] <allee> s/bus/bugs/
[12:23] <raphink> yuriy: I think that kios don't get their own bars and menus as kparts
[12:23] <Tonio_> yuriy: yes there is one, and no nobody fixes it :)
[12:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: early next year, but probably best not to set a date yet, we should make sure hobbsee can come
[12:23] <raphink> which is the problem to access the audio encoding settings from audiocd:/
[12:23] <Tonio_> yuriy: I think the slowness is relative to cdparanioa or something but I don't remember exactly the point
[12:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep
[12:24] <Riddell> allee: bugs don't have default targets or assignees
[12:24] <allee> Riddell: so kubuntu-* has no special eye on kde universe bugs?
[12:25] <Riddell> allee: kubuntu-team is subscribed to the important KDE packages in main
[12:25] <Riddell> that's what feeds the kubuntu-bugs list
[12:25] <allee> I know
[12:25] <Riddell> but subscribing all the universe packages too would give a flood I fear
[12:25] <raphink> and our mailboxes eventually :)
[12:26] <Riddell> I like having kubuntu-bugs able to come into my main inbox
[12:26] <allee> Any simple way to lookup bugs of KDE apps in universe?
[12:26] <raphink> it would be very useful if launchpad supported debtags
[12:26] <toma> allee: every book i look at has you as a subscriber....
[12:26] <Riddell> allee: you're right, there isn't one, you could create a (dummy) team to subscribe them all to
[12:26] <toma> s/book/bug/
[12:27] <Riddell> raphink: why?
[12:27] <raphink> Riddell: so we could check bugs by tag
[12:27] <Riddell> mm, that would be nice
[12:27] <raphink> just a thought
[12:27] <raphink> from 00:25
[12:27] <raphink> my brain is almost off anyway
[12:27] <raphink> lol
[12:28] <Riddell> however no comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/products/soyuz/+bug/57418 so I doubt it'll happen
[12:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57418 in soyuz "Support debtags in Packages.gz" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[12:28] <allee> Riddell: kubunt-universe-team or kubuntu-dummy-team ? ;)
[12:28] <yuriy> raphink: I was thinking that maybe a shortcut to the settings could be put in as an icon in the kio.
[12:28] <Riddell> especially since the size of the soyuz team is only margionally above 0
[12:28] <raphink> debtags in Packages.gz ??
[12:28] <toma> are there any complications for feisty now that debian is making a release?
[12:28] <raphink> yuriy: that would be confusing imo
[12:28] <Riddell> allee: kubunt-universe-team is nice
[12:28] <raphink> yuriy: audiocd:/ already displays virtual folders and files
[12:29] <Riddell> toma: don't think so, means they'll be slower at packaging some stuff for a while
[12:29] <raphink> adding files that link to setting dialogs would be highly confusing imo
[12:29] <toma> Riddell: syncs will dry out soon
[12:29] <allee> okay, I'll look into it.  Never tried who it works to look at bugs from the team perspective
[12:30] <Riddell> thanks allee
[12:30] <Riddell> ok, I think we're done
[12:30] <raphink> right
[12:30] <toma> nite!
[12:30] <raphink> gn
[12:30] <mhb> goodnight all and thank you!
[12:30] <Riddell> thanks all
[12:30] <allee> nite
[12:31] <raphink> bye
[12:31] <fabo> nite
[12:31] <Riddell> oh, if anyone wants to sort out the meeting wiki page and make quick minutes they're very welcome to
[12:32] <Lure> nite all
[12:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: will do since nobody looks interested... :)
[12:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: if you could add a couple of sentences on what we discussed and the good news of mhb on the next UWN that would be super
[12:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah that's the plan :)
[12:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: will do that but probably tomorrow, it is late here :)
[01:51] <lfittl> @schedule Vienna
[01:51] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Vienna: 12 Dec 16:00: Loco Team | 12 Dec 17:00: Community Council | 13 Dec 13:00: Edubuntu | 14 Dec 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 19 Dec 21:00: Technical Board | 20 Dec 21:00: Edubuntu
[05:06] <Phoenix7477> @schedule edmonton
[05:06] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Edmonton: 12 Dec 08:00: Loco Team | 12 Dec 09:00: Community Council | 13 Dec 05:00: Edubuntu | 14 Dec 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 19 Dec 13:00: Technical Board | 20 Dec 13:00: Edubuntu
[11:34] <rejden> @schedule Vienna
[11:34] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Vienna: 12 Dec 16:00: Loco Team | 12 Dec 17:00: Community Council | 13 Dec 13:00: Edubuntu | 14 Dec 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 19 Dec 21:00: Technical Board | 20 Dec 21:00: Edubuntu
[10:16] <Burgwork> @schedule vancouver
[10:16] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Vancouver: 12 Dec 07:00: Loco Team | 12 Dec 08:00: Community Council | 13 Dec 04:00: Edubuntu | 14 Dec 08:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 19 Dec 12:00: Technical Board | 20 Dec 12:00: Edubuntu
[10:17] <stgraber> @schedule Zurich
[10:17] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Zurich: 12 Dec 16:00: Loco Team | 12 Dec 17:00: Community Council | 13 Dec 13:00: Edubuntu | 14 Dec 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 19 Dec 21:00: Technical Board | 20 Dec 21:00: Edubuntu