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| wasabi__ | Keybuk: you around? | 06:05 |
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| Keybuk | yup | 06:05 |
| Keybuk | what's up? | 06:05 |
| wasabi__ | initramfs questions. Trying to boot a system, which seems to be fairly broken. At some point during the initram, the HD's get probed... repeatidly (as indicated by lights blinking on then off for 1 sec on the drives) | 06:05 |
| wasabi__ | Trying to pinpoint it | 06:05 |
| wasabi__ | break seems to get me there. | 06:06 |
| wasabi__ | can I continue after breaking? | 06:06 |
| Keybuk | yeah, just exit the shell | 06:06 |
| wasabi__ | hmm. gave me a panic last time I tried thta | 06:06 |
| Keybuk | which release? | 06:06 |
| wasabi__ | feisty | 06:10 |
| wasabi__ | looks like udev isn't kicking off. | 06:10 |
| wasabi__ | it's um... the latest daily. I have this wonderful system here which has an intel d965. | 06:10 |
| wasabi__ | So, nothing less than 2.6.18 works on it. ;0 | 06:10 |
| wasabi__ | The problem i was having is the device nodes weren't being created before mdadm ran | 06:11 |
| wasabi__ | I ran udevd --daemon;udevtrigger;pkill udevd manually during premount | 06:11 |
| wasabi__ | and then exit 0, and it continued, and worked. | 06:11 |
| _ion | There used to a problem with the run order of udev, lvm and md stuff, but i thought it was already fixed. | 06:12 |
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| wasabi_ | yay new working system | 06:14 |
| wasabi_ | sorta. | 06:14 |
| Keybuk | oh | 06:18 |
| Keybuk | anything to do with lvm, md, evms, etc. is totally busted in feisty :p | 06:18 |
| wasabi_ | nice. | 06:19 |
| wasabi_ | well, got it working by hand... until i reboot again | 06:19 |
| === wasabi_ sticks udevd --daemon; udevtrigger; pkill udevd into local-top/mdadm | ||
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| Keybuk | doesn't it PREREQ="udev" ? | 06:19 |
| wasabi_ | Yeah | 06:19 |
| wasabi_ | Which doesn't exist in local-top | 06:20 |
| Keybuk | weird | 06:20 |
| wasabi_ | Ahhhh. | 06:20 |
| wasabi_ | udev is now in init-bottom and init-premount. | 06:20 |
| wasabi_ | and not in local-top. | 06:20 |
| Keybuk | right | 06:21 |
| Keybuk | those happen first | 06:21 |
| Keybuk | well, premount does | 06:21 |
| wasabi_ | how do the prereq's work though? | 06:21 |
| wasabi_ | Aren't they only within the one script subdir | 06:21 |
| Keybuk | wonder if it's looping because udev doesn't exist :p | 06:21 |
| Keybuk | yeah | 06:21 |
| wasabi_ | so, the prereq "udev" is unfulfillable. | 06:21 |
| wasabi_ | ahh, yeah. | 06:22 |
| wasabi_ | it's looping. | 06:22 |
| wasabi_ | hence the HD noise. ;0 | 06:22 |
| Keybuk | right | 06:22 |
| Keybuk | that's the bug then | 06:22 |
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| treepio | Trying to make upstart-0.3.0 but I get alot of errors with: ./configure --prefix=/tree/temp/upstart --sysconfdir=/tree/etc -->some of my errors: make[2] : ***[cfgfile.o] error 1, + alot of cfgfile errors | 07:08 |
| Keybuk | treepio: we'd need to see the actual errors | 07:10 |
| treepio | on another system, I hatve to type em all :) | 07:11 |
| Keybuk | unfortunately we can't see the other system's console, so don't know what they are unless you type them :-/ | 07:11 |
| treepio | ../nih/io.h:221: warning: 'warn_unused_result' attribute directory ignored | 07:12 |
| Keybuk | that's just a warning | 07:12 |
| treepio | cfgfile.c:880: error: 'RLIMIT_NICE' undeclared (first use in this function) | 07:13 |
| treepio | cfgfile.c:880: error: 'each undeclared identifier is reported only once), cfgfile.c:880: error: for each function it appears in), | 07:14 |
| treepio | cfgfile.c:880: error: 'RLIMIT_RTPRIO' undeclared (first use in this function) | 07:15 |
| AlexExtreme | missing include? | 07:15 |
| treepio | those are my 4 errors. Looks like I have made some basic mistake somewhere. alot of warnings and stuff | 07:15 |
| Keybuk | hmm | 07:18 |
| AlexExtreme | hmm | 07:18 |
| Keybuk | which version of kernel, glibc and gcc are you using? | 07:18 |
| AlexExtreme | does /usr/include/bits/resource.h exist for you? | 07:19 |
| Keybuk | those two limits were added in ~2.6.12 and I guess glibc 2.3.6 | 07:20 |
| treepio | resource.h exist | 07:21 |
| treepio | kernel 2.4.31, gcc 3.3.6 .. checking glibc. | 07:21 |
| AlexExtreme | ah | 07:22 |
| AlexExtreme | 2.4.31 probably won't work, if they were added in 2.6.12 | 07:22 |
| Keybuk | yeah, wayyyyy too old version of Linux :) | 07:24 |
| treepio | glibc: 2.3.5 | 07:24 |
| AlexExtreme | definitely too old :) | 07:24 |
| treepio | bah :).. I'll boot into another system and try :) | 07:24 |
| AlexExtreme | what distro are you using, out of curiousity? | 07:24 |
| treepio | this isslackware | 07:24 |
| AlexExtreme | which ver? | 07:24 |
| AlexExtreme | 10.0? | 07:24 |
| treepio | 10.2 | 07:25 |
| AlexExtreme | ah | 07:25 |
| Keybuk | upstart needs 2.6.12 or later, gcc 4, glibc 2.4 etc. | 07:25 |
| Keybuk | slackware still ships with 2.4 kernel?! | 07:25 |
| treepio | ok, let me see what fedora has | 07:25 |
| AlexExtreme | 11 ships with 2.6 afaik | 07:25 |
| AlexExtreme | but patrick really didn't want to have 2.6, don't ask me why :/ | 07:25 |
| Keybuk | upstart isn't much use without 2.6 anyway | 07:26 |
| treepio | probably because he had to do alot of work :) | 07:26 |
| Keybuk | the entire point is that you'd want to use it with udev | 07:26 |
| treepio | I just want to try and build a system, and decided upstart looked nice, ruby and all. | 07:26 |
| Keybuk | most recent version of Ubuntu, Fedora and SuSE are all suitable | 07:27 |
| Keybuk | Debian etch should be as well I believe | 07:27 |
| treepio | I have FC5 on the comp I'm testing with | 07:27 |
| AlexExtreme | btw Keybuk, when will development on all these fancy new upstart features start? ;) | 07:28 |
| Keybuk | AlexExtreme: I'm working on some of the lower level library changes at the moment | 07:28 |
| AlexExtreme | cool | 07:28 |
| Keybuk | I imagine I'll get to upstart next week, and probably do the bulk of them over december | 07:28 |
| AlexExtreme | sounds good | 07:29 |
| treepio | kernel: 2.6.18xxx, glibc: 2.4, gcc: 4.1.0 | 07:30 |
| AlexExtreme | also, how do you get udev to emit events upon device additions/changes? add calls to initctl in the rules files? | 07:30 |
| AlexExtreme | treepio: that should work | 07:30 |
| treepio | AlexExtreme: thanks, I will try again | 07:31 |
| Keybuk | AlexExtreme: yeah | 07:31 |
| Keybuk | I plan to patch udev to do it directly as well | 07:31 |
| AlexExtreme | ok | 07:31 |
| AlexExtreme | and one last question: will the development of the replacement initscripts take place in the respective packages themselves or in a bazaar/cvs/svn/whatever repo? | 07:32 |
| Keybuk | depends for which packages? | 07:33 |
| Keybuk | they'll certainly be shipped inside those | 07:33 |
| AlexExtreme | hmm | 07:33 |
| AlexExtreme | ok | 07:33 |
| Keybuk | but I suspect it'll be sensible to have a bazaar repository of them for people to use | 07:33 |
| AlexExtreme | yes, definitely | 07:33 |
| treepio | It's hard to learn the basics of linux.. | 07:33 |
| treepio | No errors this time though, thanks. | 07:34 |
| AlexExtreme | :) | 07:34 |
| treepio | can I jsut take the example files and throw in event.d and just change the disk layout? | 07:37 |
| AlexExtreme | no | 07:39 |
| AlexExtreme | the example files are for ubuntu | 07:39 |
| treepio | oo | 07:40 |
| treepio | :/ | 07:40 |
| Keybuk | replacing the init daemon of your system is quite a big undertaking for a novice | 07:41 |
| treepio | I have made my disk layout, fstab and inittab. now I decided to try upstart(looks nice). do I have to reqrite everything ? | 07:41 |
| treepio | Keybuk: you got it right. I am a nivice in this field.. so I decided to learn it.. Have to start somewhere | 07:42 |
| Keybuk | to do upstart properly, you'd need to write everything to boot your machine, yes | 07:42 |
| Keybuk | (in particular, upstart doesn't use inittab) | 07:42 |
| treepio | Problem is that upstart is so new, it's hard to find any info on it. | 07:42 |
| Keybuk | right | 07:42 |
| Keybuk | it's still being developed | 07:42 |
| treepio | hmm. | 07:42 |
| Keybuk | we're only just at the point where we're about to begin replacing init scripts with upstart jobs | 07:43 |
| treepio | Will I need to change much to have it work on my new system?. or should I just get the old unix or messy sysvinit stuff? (I will have to learn that too, so why not learn the good looking upstart) | 07:43 |
| treepio | Wouldn't it be nice to have 17 people in here instead of 16 ;) | 07:44 |
| treepio | Especially because I want to learn ruby too | 07:45 |
| Keybuk | if you're installing a Linux machine from scratch, without any distribution, I'd definitely start with upstart | 07:45 |
| Keybuk | it's just as useful as sysvinit today | 07:45 |
| treepio | Keybuk: the other inits got alot of help and howtos. Can you help me with the files I will need to change ? | 07:45 |
| treepio | For a start maby help me to find out how many and what files need changing | 07:46 |
| Keybuk | I'm confused a little | 07:46 |
| treepio | About what | 07:46 |
| Keybuk | are you taking an existing installation of Linux and attempting to modify it to use upstart | 07:46 |
| treepio | no | 07:46 |
| Keybuk | or are you trying to build a Linux install from scratch? | 07:46 |
| treepio | I'm using an existing distro to make a new | 07:46 |
| Keybuk | right, so you're modifying an existing installation? | 07:47 |
| treepio | no, I have made a seperate partition with empty dirs added fstab inittab and so. | 07:47 |
| Keybuk | ah I see | 07:47 |
| Keybuk | the first thing is you need to throw away that inittab file | 07:48 |
| Keybuk | instead you'd need to write /etc/event.d files to match what you originally put in there | 07:48 |
| treepio | I'm a pretty good sysadmin if I should say it myself.. but this, the basics are really hard. | 07:48 |
| treepio | Probably easy once I have made it work just once.. | 07:48 |
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| Keybuk | you'd need to write shell scripts to check and mount the disks, etc. | 07:48 |
| Keybuk | all the usual boot-time tasks | 07:49 |
| treepio | Keybuk: I can just change a few parameters in the example jobs right. I don't need something fancy. I just want to have it working and end up with a prompt someday.. then I can check and learn the scripts | 07:50 |
| Keybuk | right | 07:50 |
| Keybuk | the example jobs are based on the Debian / Ubuntu inittab | 07:50 |
| Keybuk | you'd need to tweak them to match a different distribution (init is gloriously inconsistent) | 07:50 |
| Keybuk | that'd make sure that the existing SysV scripts (/etc/rc*.d and /etc/init.d) are still run | 07:50 |
| treepio | I will try to look up an inittab from debian/ubuntu | 07:51 |
| treepio | Do I need those?, just removed the rc.d folder I had set up .. :) | 07:51 |
| Keybuk | you don't need them | 07:51 |
| Keybuk | but you do need what they did | 07:51 |
| Keybuk | if you don't want the rc.d scripts, you'd need to rewrite them as /etc/event.d jobs | 07:52 |
| treepio | Thanks, I want it real basic. don't care about compatibility . | 07:52 |
| Keybuk | tbh, if you wanted a REALLY quick start ... | 07:52 |
| Keybuk | you only need one file in /etc/event.d | 07:52 |
| Keybuk | :) | 07:52 |
| Keybuk | ----8<--------8<--------8<--------8<---- | 07:52 |
| Keybuk | on startup | 07:52 |
| Keybuk | respawn /bin/bash | 07:52 |
| Keybuk | ---->8-------->8-------->8-------->8---- | 07:52 |
| Keybuk | :p | 07:52 |
| AlexExtreme | pff :) | 07:52 |
| treepio | huh? :) | 07:53 |
| Keybuk | that'd give you a root shell, and keep it running | 07:53 |
| treepio | hehe | 07:53 |
| treepio | I want that. | 07:53 |
| AlexExtreme | you can just put init=/bin/bash on the kernel command line for that! | 07:53 |
| Keybuk | AlexExtreme: true, but then it wouldn't be upstart supervised | 07:53 |
| AlexExtreme | although, that wouldn't respawn it and it would kernel panic when the shell exits :p | 07:53 |
| AlexExtreme | oh, and you'd need console owner ;) | 07:54 |
| _ion | ;-) | 07:54 |
| treepio | No more panics, got enough problems with my cpu fan I died up with speaker cables.. the retention bracket is broken in all 4 corners :) so I tied it up with wires.. complains about heat problems.. hehe | 07:54 |
| _ion | treepio: Upstart isn't made in Ruby, it's C code. | 07:55 |
| Keybuk | _ion: cute | 07:55 |
| _ion | Wouldn't that example also need 'console owner', btw? :-) | 07:56 |
| Keybuk | yes | 07:56 |
| Keybuk | heh | 07:56 |
| AlexExtreme | i said that ;) | 07:57 |
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| treepio | rebuilding upstart to the right location dunno why I made it in /tree/temp. :) | 07:58 |
| Keybuk | use --prefix=usr/ --exec-prefix=/ --sysconfdir=/etc | 08:00 |
| Keybuk | then install with make DESTDIR=/tree install | 08:00 |
| Keybuk | that'll do the right thing | 08:00 |
| treepio | ok built and ready. | 08:00 |
| _ion | /usr | 08:00 |
| Keybuk | likewise for things like libc, etc. | 08:00 |
| Keybuk | (admittedly, if I were building a Linux from scratch, I would do away with /usr <g>) | 08:00 |
| treepio | I did: ./configure prefix=/tree/usr sysconfdir=/tree/etc (where /tree is a mounted partition) | 08:01 |
| Keybuk | treepio: the problem with that is that upstart will be looking for /tree when it boots | 08:01 |
| Keybuk | which won't exist if you mount that partition as the root | 08:01 |
| Keybuk | (/tree/usr will become /usr) | 08:01 |
| treepio | auch. | 08:01 |
| AlexExtreme | ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --exec-prefix=/ && make clean && make && make DESTDIR=/tree install | 08:02 |
| treepio | I will just rm -rf stuff again | 08:02 |
| treepio | AlexExtreme, Thanks | 08:02 |
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| treepio | I will get on to installing bash, etc etc. Thanks for all your help so far. | 08:37 |
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