[12:29] <nixternal> is the Kubuntu DVD a Live DVD?
[12:30] <nixternal> im having a hell of a time trying to troubleshoot a users video issues. he is using an ati x300se which works out of the box, or at least i thought
[12:31] <Lure> nixternal: yes - it hase live + alternate
[12:31] <nixternal> thanks Lure
[01:05] <nixternal> jesus...the Kubuntu DVD has everything on it...
[02:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61946 in kdebase "umount progress dialog missing in Edgy" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61946
[02:30] <jdong> their bootsplash is making me drool though :-/
[02:35] <crimsun> spending time staring at a bootsplash surely detracts from an enviable gui experience.
[02:36] <crimsun> I'd say that the prettiest bootsplash ain't gonna do much for a crash when starting KDE ;)
[02:38] <jdong> crimsun: you know you're jealous of their artwork at least
[02:38] <crimsun> never seen it, so I don't know
[02:38] <jdong> and wow... I feel conned.... there ain't no OpenXML support ;-)
[02:38] <jdong> it's a shame too
[02:38] <jdong> because I have 3 docx's sittin here that I need to read
[02:38] <jdong> and php striptags() is not sounding all that attractive
[02:50] <jdong> blfefwhfewafurrrghhhhh
[02:51] <jdong> (that means my old DVD drive sucks at reading burned DVD media and the install failed halfway)
[02:51] <Jucato> jdong: you installed opensuse 10.2?
[02:52] <jdong> Jucato: read the last thing I said
[02:52] <jdong> Jucato: that would be a half-install :)
[02:52] <Jucato> lol
[02:52] <Jucato>  sorry... missed that line :)
[02:52] <jdong> Jucato: but the install is for a good cause
[02:58] <freeflying|away> morning all
[03:00] <jdong> oh... oh oh oops
[03:00] <jdong> on second thought maybe turning on desktop effects in vmware was a bad idea
[05:02] <nixternal> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=49801&PHPSESSID=bfea1c0ec906433c60bd0596f2e001ce
[05:02] <nixternal> interesting
[05:02] <Jucato> whoa...
[05:04] <nixternal> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=45576
[05:04] <nixternal> nice as well
[05:04] <nixternal> about time some cool stuff gets on the look besides everyones copied wallpapers
[05:04] <Jucato> lol
[05:05] <Jucato> i hope that icon theme is complete
[05:05] <nixternal> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=49761
[05:05] <Jucato> kool, it's based on realistiK too (which I'm using now)
[05:05] <nixternal> interesting....trademarked logo with a GPL license
[05:06] <Jucato> heh
[05:07] <nixternal> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=49721
[05:07] <nixternal> thats got a neat idea behind it
[05:07] <Jucato> oh yeah definitely
[05:07] <nixternal> mandrake used to do that back around 98 iirc
[05:08] <Jucato> people have been wondering why they don't see a user list in the login screen even when they have enabled it in the Login Manager
[05:08] <Jucato> it's not evident at first glance that the KDM theme we use doesn't have that feature...
[05:10] <Jucato> ok let me try that KDM theme
[05:13] <Jucato> looks ok
[06:05] <Hobbsee> no people :(
[06:18] <abattoir> hi Hobbsee :)
[10:01] <Riddell> Lure: not quickly at all
[10:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell!!!
[10:01] <Riddell> Lure: what are the 4 kubuntu ones?  katapult, your k-d-s one, digikam..
[10:01] <Riddell> g'day sheila
[10:02] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:02] <Lure> Riddell: kdepim - see https://bugs.launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-sru/+subscribedbugs
[10:02] <Lure> some are also in Fix Commited (kopete)
[10:03] <Hobbsee> ah, a meeting
[10:03] <Lure> Riddell: suse introduces new kded module: networkstatus - this is then called by dcop by kdepim to detect network state
[10:03] <Riddell> mhb became a member!
[10:04] <Hobbsee> yay!
[10:04] <Lure> Riddell: they ship this with kdepim, while I think it mor fits in kdeutils
[10:04] <Riddell> Lure: that seems like a good idea
[10:04] <Lure> Riddell: should we follow them or do what we consider the right thing?
[10:04] <Riddell> shipping networkstatus
[10:05] <Riddell> it doesn't really matter what source it's shipped with, no need to diverge from suse
[10:05] <Lure> Riddell: ok, will follow them then I suspect we should have separate binary package though
[10:06] <Riddell> apokryphos: that you submitting suse stories to the dot?
[10:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what's happening with the terms for the KCC?  according to toma, the time is up, so you could kick us out if you wanted
[10:06] <Hobbsee> the dot hasnt seemed to publish that 10.2 is released, which is odd
[10:07] <Riddell> Hobbsee: only his time is up, he wanted to be on a 6 month term
[10:07] <Hobbsee> oh right
[10:07] <Riddell> the dot has never published a story about suse releases, because suse never submits them
[10:07] <Hobbsee> how long are the rest?
[10:08] <Riddell> can't remember, probaly a year
[10:08] <Riddell> not that anyone is a prisoner of course :)
[10:08] <Hobbsee> haha
[10:08] <Hobbsee> yeah, all of us can up and walk away, i guess, except for you
[10:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sorry i couldnt make it to the meeting.
[10:11] <Hobbsee> funerals tend to get in the way of things
[10:13] <Riddell> happy funeral?  sad funeral?
[10:14] <Hobbsee> grandfather funeral, so kinda sad
[10:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you mean there are happy funerals?
[10:14] <mhb> good morning ...
[10:14] <Hobbsee> hey mhb!  congratulations on membership!
[10:15] <mhb> hi Hobbsee ... my deepest sympathy
[10:15] <Hobbsee> thanks
[10:18] <mhb> thanks too
[10:19] <Hobbsee> on a more kubuntu-esque note, on feisty, do anyone else's icons for g-p-m not work?  it's showing as a white blank page, for some reason
[10:19] <Lure> Hobbsee: known problem
[10:20] <Hobbsee> Lure: right, cool
[10:20] <Lure> Hobbsee: Tonio_ and sebas will adress this - we will probably soon upload new one as sebas coded Idle time support
[10:20] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[10:23] <Hobbsee> they're making a racket, singing out of tune...
[10:26] <Lure> Riddell: do you understand why digikam 0.9.9~rc2 is still stuck on build? It looks like catch22 or something...
[10:27] <Hobbsee> Build for superseded Source?
[10:27] <Hobbsee> oh right, because there's a newer version
[10:27] <Lure> Hobbsee: yes, but newer version is already built...
[10:28] <Hobbsee> Lure: only on ppc - depwait
[10:28] <Hobbsee> Lure: i386 is building now
[10:28] <Riddell> hmm, it's been building since midday yesterday on i386
[10:29] <Hobbsee> it only started 2 mins ago in my timezone
[10:29] <Hobbsee> and before it said needsbuilding
[10:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'd *guess* that infinity has changed the build log times to his timezone?
[10:29] <Riddell> no, launchpad should be UTC, or even report your own timezone
[10:30] <Lure> Hobbsee: it is not building from my perspective ;-)
[10:30] <Riddell> and since he's ahead by half a day that would be even worse
[10:31] <Lure> Riddell: it is missing libexiv2-dev
[10:31] <Lure> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/283777
[10:31] <Hobbsee> Lure: looking
[10:31] <Lure> Riddell: promotion to main?
[10:32] <Hobbsee> which was...published yesterday...
[10:34] <Lure> Riddell: http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/libdevel/libexiv2-dev claims it is in universe - is this an issue for build-dep?
[10:34] <Riddell> Lure: no, it's new
[10:34] <Lure> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportExiv2 - so we are waiting for this (it looks like)
[10:35] <Riddell> err, yes, it is an issue
[10:35] <Riddell> pitti said he would look at it once it was past NEW
[10:36] <Lure> Riddell: ok, sorry for bothering you
[10:40] <Riddell> we need to find out what the exiv2 authors plan for versioning
[10:42] <Lure> Riddell: I think digikam author did most of changes for last release
[11:01] <mhb> Riddell: the grubconfig tool for Feisty would need to autodetect the new OSes, which is done by a tool called "os-prober" - a dependency of ubiquity
[11:02] <Riddell> sounds good
[11:03] <mhb> Riddell: it's quite small, do you think we could install it by default?
[11:04] <Riddell> I expect so
[11:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: why are raphink and tonio getting congratulated?
[11:13] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee! glad to see you're back :)
[11:13] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato
[11:13] <Hobbsee> !logs
[11:13] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[11:15] <abattoir> Hobbsee: They are both, *each* getting married(already engaged i think)
[11:16] <Hobbsee> abattoir: ahhh :)
[11:16] <Jucato> ooh wow
[11:16] <Jucato> good thing you included the "both, *each*" part :)
[11:19] <abattoir> :)
[11:21] <Hobbsee> i'd be slightly afraid if they were marrying each other - tonio clearly has a female partner
[11:22] <Jucato> heheh
[11:29] <Hobbsee> ...and more drunken happy birthday singing....these girls are singing *loud*!
[12:36] <apokryphos> Riddell: yup 8)
[12:37] <Riddell> apokryphos: published, thanks
[12:37] <apokryphos> I'm a bad camper with feet in both camps :)
[12:37] <apokryphos> nice, thank you =)
[12:39] <apokryphos> quite a few people submitted the story to slashdot, and nothing... slashdotters don't like Novell much, at all, as you might've guessed 8)
[12:52] <Lure> Riddell: do you know who is helio from kde? He changed kcontrol energy for 3.5.5 which breaks dpms (bug 65791)
[12:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65791 in guidance "DPMS timeout restored incorrectly on login" [Unknown,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65791
[12:57] <Riddell> Lure: heliocastro, works for Mandriva in Brazil, not on irc just now
[12:57] <Riddell> helio@conectiva.com.br
[12:57] <Riddell> that might be an old address
[12:58] <Lure> Riddell: he did this minor commit http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdebase/kcontrol/energy/energy.cpp?rev=575644&r1=438982&r2=575644
[12:58] <Lure> Riddell: and this seems to trigger older bug now in initiaization of module
[01:04] <Riddell> hmm, not clear why that should cause the problem though
[01:07] <Riddell> the value it had was multiplied as I remember
[01:07] <Riddell> so maybe it reads from the system and multiples when it doesn't have to, and previous it read from a KConfig file and had to multiply
[01:14] <Lure> Riddell: just updated the bug - root cause is that if there is no kdisplayrc (as on Kubuntu) they use DPMS read values (in sec), while they operate in minutes
[01:14] <Lure> Riddell: helio's change may be just the trigger for new behaviour
[01:14] <Lure> Riddell: and this is what I plan to discuss with him
[01:15] <Lure> Riddell: I am almost 100% sure that my proposed fix is correct and should fix this, I would just like to clarify what the change in 3.5.5 was supposed to achieve
[03:37] <freeflying|away> Riddell: will provide any feisty's iso for ppc in future?
[03:40] <Riddell> sure, herd 1 has powerpc CDs
[04:13] <freeflying|away> Riddell: no alternate cd for ppc?
[04:15] <Riddell> freeflying|away: it's right there http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/feisty/herd-1/
[04:17] <freeflying|away> Riddell: thanks :)
[04:47] <mhb> any ubuntu wiki master here who knows how to insert a link to an image attachment without displaying it?
[04:48] <nixternal> yup
[04:50] <nixternal> is the image link pointing to a wiki page or an outside link?
[04:54] <mhb> well I have those images as attachments
[04:54] <nixternal> you just want a link to the image, and don't want to show the imagae correct?
[04:54] <mhb> yep
[04:55] <nixternal> [http://url.to.the.image/ imagename.png] 
[04:55] <nixternal> [http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/gotchi.png gotchi.png] 
[04:55] <mhb> I see
[04:56] <mhb> but I have those images as attachments to the page
[04:56] <nixternal> ahhh
[04:56] <nixternal> then
[04:56] <nixternal> link me to the page
[04:57] <mhb> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuGrubconfig
[04:57] <nixternal> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuGrubconfig?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=mockup_1.png
[04:58] <nixternal> that is the link you want right there..you do that by going to attachments, then view the image via the link on the left, and then right click and view the image
[04:58] <mhb> well, AFAIK it's not recommended to do that
[04:58] <mhb> Do NOT use the URL of the [get]  link, since this is subject to change and can break easily.
[04:58] <mhb> (from the attachFile dialog)
[04:58] <nixternal> [KubuntuGrubconfig?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=mockup_1.png mockup_1.png] 
[04:58] <nixternal> mhb: i didn't use the get link, i went in one step further
[04:59] <nixternal> i used the view link, and then i right click the image and select the view image
[05:00] <mhb> but IMO this is the actual get link, you can compare the get link URL and your URL
[05:00] <mhb> (it's do=get that makes it a get link)
[05:01] <nixternal> hmm
[05:01] <nixternal> i have always done it like that..let me try something
[05:03] <nixternal> [attachment:image.png image.png] 
[05:03] <nixternal> that works as well, but it links to the do=get
[05:03] <mhb> thanks
[05:03] <nixternal> i love how that way isn't documented
[05:03] <nixternal> time to edit the help pages
[05:04] <mhb> yes, but I think the difference is when they update the wiki engines or something they might do the do=get URL in a different way but the attachment: syntax will stay the same
[05:04] <nixternal> that is true
[05:04] <mhb> thanks for the help
[05:12] <nixternal> no prob
[05:47] <MidMark> Hi
[05:48] <MidMark> I want to ask a simple thing: if in Dapper there was a bug that prevent italian to be installed with ubiquity, I have tried now with Edgy but with the text installation and there in no more the bug, can we assume that is fixed also for ubiquity or not?
[05:50] <mhb> MidMark: probably not, but I think you can find more Ubuntu users in Italy who can say if it works or not
[05:50] <MidMark> mhb: go to ubuntu-it and ask ;)
[05:55] <MidMark> also another thing: why k3b-i18n isn't installed by default when a language different from english is choosen?
[06:17] <mhb> seele: check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuGrubconfig for some Mandriva GRUB tool screenshots
[06:19] <mhb> seele: and I hope we can get together to discuss the UI
[06:19] <mhb> soon
[06:27] <abattoir> :P
[06:27] <Hawkwind> The person that submitted the Mandriva screenshots did a great job.  Nice work!
[06:27] <Hawkwind> Hah
[08:48] <seele> mhb: i saw the email about the wiki updates, ill look at them soon
[08:54] <raphink> Hawkwind: indeed... makes one want to switch to Mandriva really
[09:01] <Hawkwind> raphink: Hah.  It was me who took those screenshots from Mandriva 2007 in VmWare :)
[09:01] <Ubugtu> Mandriva bug 2007 in Installation "Switching to alternate screens during install crashes X" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2007
[09:02] <raphink> Hawkwind: haha
[09:02] <raphink> Hawkwind: according to Ubugtu, mandriva 2007 is a bug :)
[09:02] <raphink> hehe
[09:02] <raphink> how are you doing Hawkwind?
[09:03] <Hawkwind> raphink: I'm doing well, and yourself ?
[09:03] <raphink> good :)
[09:03] <raphink> a bit tired right now :)
[10:31] <mhb> Hawkwind: thanks for the screenshots, really
[10:34] <Hawkwind> mhb: Not a problem at all
[10:34] <mhb> heh, I just found out fedora has one such tool as well
[10:42] <Riddell> damnit, if only some clever person would make a tool that would work for everyone
[10:43] <mhb> oh, it's just a GTK/GNOME one
[10:43] <mhb> but I'll get the screenshots somewhere, just for comparison
[10:50] <imbrandon> ello Riddell mhb Hawkwind seele and raphink
[10:51] <imbrandon> ugh phone , /me turns off the ringer
[10:51] <mhb> imbrandon: hi
[10:51] <raphink> hi imbrandon
[10:54] <Hawkwind> Hey there imbrandon
[11:10] <Lure> Riddell: just replied to .Xmodmap proposal - I think the right fix is to resolve bug 27839
[11:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 27839 in meta-kde "xmodmap setup is missing (general startup is wrong?)" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/27839
[11:15] <mhb> Lure: hi Luka, can I have a question on you? I have a few laptop buttons that aren't detectable by xev on Kubuntu but I remember that I have managed to make them work few years ago on Slackware ... can you guess where the problem is?
[11:16] <Lure> mhb: so xev does not return anything when pressed? what about "lshal -m"?
[11:17] <mhb> Lure: nothing
[11:18] <Lure> mhb: what kind of laptop? did you check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/HotkeyResearch?
[11:18] <mhb> Lure: will do, thanks
[11:18] <Lure> mhb: you probably need either hotkey-setup change or change in kernel to make them work
[11:19] <Lure> mhb: sladen is the guy for this (not seen him around lately though)
[11:24] <mhb> Lure: thanks
[11:29] <mhb> hmm, no tool can detect those buttons
[11:30] <mhb> probably a kernel-related problem then ... thanks again Lure
[11:30] <Lure> mhb: yep, sometimes just a one-line mapping has to be added
[11:32] <Lure> mhb: some logs I have on this topic
[11:32] <Lure> [14:34]  <mjg59> Lure: As far as the hal ones go, just check hald/linux2/addons/k
[11:32] <Lure> eyboard.c
[11:32] <Lure> [22:46]  <mjg59> Lure: The kernel converts Linux keycodes (which appear from /dev
[11:32] <Lure> /event) into things that look like AT keycodes (that appear from /dev/console)
[11:32] <Lure> [22:46]  <mjg59> X reads them from the latter
[11:32] <Lure> [22:47]  <mjg59> There's a table in /usr/src/linux/drivers/char/keyboard.c
[11:32] <Lure> [22:47]  <mjg59> x86_keycodes[] 
[11:32] <Lure> [22:48]  <mjg59> So for keycode 236, you look at the 236th entry and then take aw
[11:32] <Lure> ay 128, or something
[11:33] <Lure> mhb: I think your problem is in kernel mapping and not hal/X
[11:34] <mhb> Lure: most likely so
[11:35] <mhb> Lure: even when I cat /dev/input/event0 I won't get anything
[11:36] <Lure> mhb: what kind of laptop is this? You may also like to check hotkey-setup package which does ibm specific hacks
[11:36] <Lure> + some other keycode mapppings
[11:36] <mhb> Lure: that's an older Acer