[12:13] I know the hassle of burning a cd and rebooting, I haven't burned isos for years, always installed writing to my real disk from vmware (always without a hitch) === CypherBIOS [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] but I install a new operating system at most a couple of times a year, how often do people try out new livecd, actually ? === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-17-52.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] shackan_: What would be the overall detriment? [12:20] about 400-600k of space used on the livecd... [12:21] it's just a lot of work (to get qvm86 into good shape) for an uncommon use case, people will just slap the cd and reboot [12:22] shackan_: if I can make qvm86 run Ubuntu as-is I won't need much work. [12:22] then, just do it :) === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:29] is feisty to adopt cdrkit instead of cdrecord? [12:29] apologies in advance if that's a stupid question [12:30] I believe so [12:30] it's already been synced and stuff [12:30] yeah, looking at my madison-lite it seems like it [12:30] cdrecord is being provided by cdrkit [12:30] cool [12:30] cjwatson: who is typicall in charge of the burning stuff? [12:31] we generally go with that sort of thing unless there's a particular reason not to [12:31] jdong: nobody really in Ubuntu [12:31] ok [12:31] I was just wondering if it'd be a worthwhile backport for Edgy [12:31] I've heard cdrkit is supposed to solve some cdrecord bugs === jelmer [n=jelmer@gwalcmai.vernstok.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:32] and it just built fine for edgy and I'm testing burning some ISO's at the moment [12:32] THE CLICKING IS PISSING ME OFF [12:32] it's a bit messy - transitional packages and stuff === bluefoxicy CPU makes staticey noises when it's busy.. electrical... it's not even the hard disk ugh... [12:32] bluefoxicy: capacitors [12:32] bluefoxicy: not CPU ;-) [12:32] jdong: throttle someone [12:32] I love you too, bluefoxicy :) [12:33] jdong: how's your pax kernel :) [12:33] bluefoxicy: vdso=0 didn't do the trick [12:33] but oh well [12:33] I should play with the options a lot more when I get a chance [12:33] I definitely believe it's PaX causing it [12:33] but even pax_softmode doesn't help [12:33] and I can't exactly stack trace or coredump in initramfs [12:34] grsecurity.... blocks dumping core because it's greater than 4096bytes [12:34] and btw, bluefoxicy, I have seen a case where a livecd does cause windows to fail booting up [12:34] as silly as it sounds [12:34] jdong: nods [12:34] how? [12:35] it happens on a lot of Dell consumer PC's when XP was first released (around that time) [12:35] jdong: you got time this weekend to pop in #pax? [12:35] windows has its special ways of shutting down the machine [12:35] linux doesn't do it the same way [12:35] if Linux does the shutdown, XP BSOD's on the next bootup [12:36] but another 2 or 3 boot cycles will make XP boot ok again [12:36] really peculiar [12:36] eeek [12:36] but I've personally witnessed it happen [12:36] and it was the scariest experience [12:36] so keep that in mind before popping in LiveCD's everywhere :) === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-75-109.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] cjwatson: the transitioning requires a dist-upgrade to effect the upgrade.... [12:37] so hmm [12:37] though Edgy's update-manager auto-offers dist-upgrade if a standard update can't do the trick [12:38] wow, update-manager does it without dist-upgrade [12:38] only at the CLI a regular apt-get upgrade will hold back the cdrecord stuff [12:38] adept handles it well too [12:43] requires postinst configuration too [12:43] ok, no cdrkit for Edgy [12:43] unless I get a really compelling reason === jdong installs cdrkit on his laptop anyway === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-75-109.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === fnordus [n=dnall@24.85.128.203] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zen-afk [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fnordus [n=dnall@24.85.128.203] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mruiz [n=mruiz@pc-134-66-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan__ [n=shackan@host208-149-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lmanul [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tsmithe is now known as TheGods === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fnordus [n=dnall@24.85.128.203] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu_ [n=william@c58-107-164-24.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu_ [n=william@c58-107-164-24.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:35] infinity: Do you know anything about the IA64 buildds? === rrittenhouse [n=tad@cpe-76-188-35-66.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:37] so, there's an odd loop in initramfs which is bugging me. I'd appreciate a knowledgeble body helping me pinpoint the bug. =) [01:37] latest feisty, using md + lvm. [01:37] During boot, it looks like, right after premount, the HD's start going into an activity loop. lights on, lights off, lights on, lights off. === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DA451.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:38] If I run scripts/init-premount/udev and scripts/local-top/mdadm|lvm manually after breaking at premount, and then continue, it works. === TheGods is now known as tsmithe [01:40] wasabi: You can actually tell it to continue? I've never been able to work out how. [01:40] just exit apparently. [01:40] =) [01:40] Argh, that would have made some recovery I was doing a while ago a whole lot easier. [01:40] maybe_break seems to just fork a sub shell. [01:41] yeah, so I'm running the scripts in order as they're run on their own, and it works fine. [01:41] I can only suspect a race. === mruiz [n=mruiz@pc-134-66-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:41] a race that somehow puts it into a neverending loop... === mc44 [n=mc44@ip-81-170-100-10.cust.homechoice.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === shackan__ [n=shackan@host62-86.pool8253.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:56] mdz: +1 for -discuss [01:57] *immediately* and with --force === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@blk-89-202-206.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdeslaur [n=mdeslaur@modemcable238.124-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sfeehan [n=steve@ip68-96-0-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === somerville32 [n=somervil@fctnnbsc15w-156034095008.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pradeep [n=pradeep@59.92.57.46] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [n=robertj@68-117-216-83.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === orion2012 [n=orion@hypnogogic.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@collinsap1.phunnypharm.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === psusi [n=phreak@user-0c6s0ia.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:09] is there a way to set up a batch type postinst step? that will be done once after all packages are installed? for something that several packages require, like update-initramfs? [03:09] rather than having each one do it again and again in their own postinst === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.57.228] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:27] shawarma: What do you want to know about the ia64 buildds? [03:28] that reminds me... is there a way to get shell access for pbuildering purposes on an ia64 server? how about ppc? the defrag package I updated recently failed to build on those platforms.... unfortunately, I only have amd64/i386 === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:32] psusi: We don't have any machines acceissible for non-staff, yet. It's on the TODO. [03:32] psusi: I could give you access to a PPC machine in my house, though. Bug me on Monday? [03:32] ok... I'd just hate to upload the package a dozen times trying to get it to build over there [03:32] heh... ok [03:40] psusi: someone needs to update defrag to do ext3 :( [03:42] lifeless, I have [03:42] want to be a test victim... err... volunteer? [03:42] ;) [03:50] psusi: you have? seet. [03:50] *sweet* [03:51] now get ted t'so to review the patch :) [03:55] ahh, yea... he was one of the original authors wasn't he? [03:55] didn't he used to hang here? [03:55] dont think so === AngryElf [n=AngryElf@ip68-100-101-98.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:05] hrm... is the man page for udev right or is this an error? [04:05] it says the key will match if the external program returns NONZERO === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-111-227.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:06] that flys in the face of convention though... nonzero means it failed [04:06] Well, except for APIs where that isn't the convention [04:07] talking shell here, not C ;) [04:07] program exit()s with 0 means it worked correctly [04:07] and the shell treats that as TRUE [04:07] so it doesn't make any sense that udev would do the reverse [04:08] Well, unless the applications tend to do something like return the number of matches [04:08] Why don't you test it and find out? [04:08] I suppose I will have to === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xerxas_ [n=R67894@mut38-5-82-246-190-19.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dLinkCrawxor [n=sdfsdfsd@125-238-112-86.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pradeep [n=pradeep@59.92.46.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger_ [n=tobias@p54A70A5B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:55] ieks [04:56] after upgrading to feisty, my c's look all weird === did447 [n=didier@m81.net81-64-90.noos.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:00] Chipzz: you mean you c a problem? [05:00] a ha ha ha [05:00] I crack myself up === Treenaks [n=martijn@thuis.foodfight.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shawarma [n=sh@atlas.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mjr [i=mjrauhal@myntti.helsinki.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xeros [i=xeros@fan194.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lathiat [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:01] jdong: no, c's are very thin, to the point of being allmost invisible [05:02] i c === mjg59 [n=mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:03] :P [05:03] o's too apparently [05:06] jdong: http://chipzz.safehex.be/oc.png === siretart [i=siretart@tauware.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:06] look at the c in december, and the o in subscriptions [05:07] O, i C, just with the big letters === Chipzz slaps jdong ;) [05:07] snap out of it ;) [05:08] Chipzz: u r acting like you haven't herd 1 or 2 bad puns around here recently ;-) [05:08] jdong: sure I have :) [05:08] but the joke got old real fast ;) [05:09] anyway, Russel Coker doesn't show the problem for some reason [05:09] seems to be a bigger problem anyway [05:09] Subscriptions is antialiassed very badly [05:10] look at the top of the S and T [05:10] any idea which package I should file a bug against? [05:13] Setting up ttf-bitstream-vera (1.10-7) ... [05:13] Regenerating fonts cache... failed; see /var/log/fontconfig.log for more information. [05:13] done. 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[07:46] hello [07:46] not sure if this is the right channel so boot me if its not [07:46] :) [07:47] is feisty looking like it will keep metacity or use something like compiz as a compositing manager? [07:47] just curious about aiglx + metacity and whether or not any discussion has been had around that [07:56] well, your in the right place i think, but its late and i think anyone who knows is probably asleep or afk :) [07:56] fair enough its friday, and unlike me,they have a life [07:56] -_- [07:56] and it's a saturday [07:56] touche [07:56] lol [07:57] lol === superjon [n=none@adsl-69-234-132-198.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:58] Is feisty built with the new .gnu.hash improvements to speed up the linker? [07:58] Or *will* it be built with these improvements? [07:59] holycow: this? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/composite-by-default [07:59] ah okay [08:00] oh jesus [08:00] beryl and compiz are actually being considered [08:00] lol thats what i was afraid of. [08:00] k danke sir [08:00] deltab, appreciate that [08:02] holycow: I don't believe they are being seriously considered any more, fortunately. [08:02] really? *phew* [08:03] would be nice NOT to become fedora i think, officially running pre alpha stuff ... heh [08:03] A lot of people were rather... angry? ... when it was announced as a specification. [08:04] yeah, we are starting to weer into some uncharted territories [08:06] the distro for human beings i think means not using its userbase as a huge guinea pig population [08:07] there are distros that specialize in running very untested stuff ... some thought needs to be given to stability vs. latest and greatest [08:07] but thats just an opinion of a nobody at a time when there isn't anyone to read it :) [08:08] Yeah it is called Foresight Linux... distro that runs broken^H^H^H^H^H^H Bleeding edge code [08:09] heh never heard of that [08:09] i was thinking gentoo :) but y'know [08:09] still funny [08:11] http://foresightlinux.com/ based on rpath's conary package manager, bleeding edge gnome+mono, etc, etc [08:11] wow [08:13] are you the same holycow that was always in #hula awhile back? [08:14] hey dude [08:14] indeed [08:14] :) [08:14] its funny you remember the nick i didn't make much noise in there [08:14] nice [08:15] i'm still keeping an eye on hula [08:15] well there were 2 cow users as I remember [08:15] i know novell stoped dropping resources on it but ya never know it could still end up being the bling [08:15] So am I, but they are furiously trying to work on hula-store which is a dead end [08:16] If they would just release a 1.0 of hula-lite, distributions would likely adopt it [08:16] actually that is probably some of themost sensible opinion i've heard on hula in a while [08:16] Who *wouldn't* want dragonfly's beautiful webmail ontop of a rock solid postfix / sa setup? === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@c-65-96-188-198.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:16] superjon, indeed [08:17] btw, if anyone cares ... [08:17] Alex Hudson seems to be the new "leader" from what I see in the ML, but he thinks hula-store is the way to go. Rewriting all of that is what caused campd to leave novell [08:17] the reason i'm asking about the metacity/aiglx stuff is because i'm piloting ubuntu at work [08:17] For normal desktops, or "techie" desktops? [08:18] normal deesktops *nod* [08:18] 3 people on my team of 5 run ubuntu desktops at work [08:18] i'm hoping NOT to hear that compiz/beryl become some sort of standard especially for the next lts [08:18] Well people dont quite understand what that means [08:18] dapper has turned out to be a seriously superb desktop [08:19] If beryl was used by default, it would use the heliodor window decorator which shares metacity themes and would be seriously toned down [08:19] No wobbly windows by default [08:19] its not that, its just seriously faulty software [08:19] The cube switcher, expose clone, dimming unresponsive windows, and minimize animations are actually more usable [08:20] Have you actually used a recent release? [08:20] no its beena while but the stuff is still what ... alpha? [08:20] <_ion> Shadows are also nice. They actually improve usability IMO. [08:20] _ion, they do [08:20] <_ion> They have matured nicely. [08:20] I've ran it for the past 3 months with few problems. The beryl leader, quinnstorm is solely working on bugfixing of the core [08:20] i think waiting to see how metacity starts handling stuff is a better strategy long term === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:21] we loooooove to reinvent the wheel in th eopen source world and thats fine as an experiment [08:21] holycow Read what Elijah Newren, the metacity maintainer says [08:21] but throwing out years of dev experince on metacity is kinda scary [08:21] okay googling [08:21] The guys at redhat (mainly Soren) who were doing the metacity compositor dropped it dead. They moved to compiz [08:21] holycow: pretty strong agreement on d-d-l that pushing it into metacity *isn't* the right thing to do [08:21] holycow: while most of the metacity window management rules have been lifted into compiz [08:22] jdub, really? [08:22] jdub: d-d-l? [08:22] From what I read in the gnome mailinglist(s), compiz will likely be the longterm solution with metacity staying as a fallback and for thin clients [08:22] desktop-devel-list [08:22] ahhh [08:23] oh i see [08:23] hense the reference to metacity being a button / applet or checkbox or somesuch on the above linked page [08:23] interesting [08:24] jdub, thx for the heads up onthat [08:24] gives me a direction to watch for i think [08:24] jdub: Would you happen to know if feisty is being built with DT_GNU_HASH to improve the linker times? [08:25] superjon: if that's what glibc-2.5 brings in, then yes, I suppose.. [08:26] superjon: no idea [08:27] but it has to be enabled in the configure options [08:27] Just like -fstack_protector has to be added [08:28] http://www.elfenbeinturm.cc/2006/07/12/dt_gnu_hash-update/ [08:29] http://sources.redhat.com/ml/binutils/2006-06/msg00418.html here is the actual post on it [08:31] superjon: -fstack_protector is being used by default afaik [08:32] Treenaks: Yes, that is correct. I was using that as an example though === timfrost [n=timfrost@125-238-33-97.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:41] anyone here familiar with programming in C? === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:46] BenC: your KernelPatches page, can we talk about it in the UWN? [08:47] UWN? [08:47] ubuntu weekly news [08:47] sure [08:47] is it news worthy? :) [08:47] sounds good, thanks [08:48] it is more "public information service" than specific news, but yes, it is news worthy [08:48] excellent === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:49] Burgundavia: I'll let you know if I create any more wiki pages out of shear frustration :) [08:50] will do [08:50] getting information out is one of the goals of the marketing team [08:50] sometimes that means internally [08:52] BenC: Is the Feisty toolchain using DT_GNU_HASH linker improvements by default? You of all people would know this [08:53] no, doko and jbailey of all people would know this [08:53] Ok, so you don't know? [08:53] I've been meaning to ask them though [08:53] no, not off hand [08:53] Alright, thanks [08:53] np [08:53] I'll shoot them an email === dade` [n=dade@nectarine/admin/dade] has joined #ubuntu-devel === budgie [n=budgie@c211-30-248-168.mirnd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ssam [n=ssam@88-107-44-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia_ [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === infinity2 is now known as infinity === Burgundavia_ [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@180.176-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@83-131-33-62.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:14] infinity: Well, I have a build that fails on ia64 (and sparc, as it turns out). The package is apcalc and it fails during regression testing. The test that fails is a check to see if file descriptor 3 is attached to a tty.. So it could either be the detection code that messes it up, or file descriptor 3 on ia64 and sparc buildd's could actually be attached to a tty. [10:16] infinity: So the question is: Is anything special being done on ia64 and sparc buildd's that could make file descriptor 3 attached to a tty? [10:16] infinity: The Debian builds of it worked fine. :-/ === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:27] Is MoM not updating, or am I imagining it? [10:27] shawarma: There's nothing "special" about them, compared to the other arches. [10:28] Fujitsu: i'm not sure, i just tried to do a merge and found it was already done [10:29] Hobbsee: I've tried to do quite a number, and found they'd been done. Quite a number of syncs have been filed, and they've already been done... It's all being nice and counter-productive. [10:29] heh [10:30] infinity: do you know what the status of the digikam 1:0.9.0~rc2-0ubuntu2 build is? it seems to have been building since yesterday on i386 [10:32] infinity: That's odd. [10:32] shawarma: The existance of that as a rgression test seems odd anyway. Why would we care if fd3 is a tty? [10:33] infinity: Oh, well, qemu can emulate a sparc, so I guess I could try doing a build in one of those. [10:33] infinity: Oh, I don't think that's the purpose. I think the purpose is to check if isatty does the right thing, and it's assumed that fd 3 i not a tty. [10:33] Riddell: Err, it's not building, it's dep-wait. [10:34] hmm. hmm. launchpad said it was building just a second ago [10:34] shawarma: Odd assumption to make, given the sorts of perverse shell tricks people like me are known to pull. :) [10:34] infinity: But yes, it would seem quite odd to have a regression test that was actually testing the build environment. :-) [10:34] Riddell: Probably a dep-wait loop, cause it has a build-dep in universe. [10:35] libexiv2-dev === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:35] yep, thanks [10:35] infinity: Indeed. Maybe I should just change it to file descriptor 38. That should be good enough for most people. :-) [10:35] Riddell: Time for an MIR for exiv2. [10:36] shawarma: Alternately, of course, it could be that isatty is actually misbehaving. [10:36] yeah, we have one, it was just for exiv2 to pass NEW [10:36] shawarma: Given than I can think of no reason why fd3 would be any different on ia64 and sparc than on the other arches. [10:36] infinity: True. The code looks very innocent though. And if it fails on fd 38, it's *definitely* the code that's failing. [10:36] Riddell: Oh, there's an approved MIR already? I can promote it, if that's the case. (it's in universe currently) [10:37] infinity: it's not been approved by pitti yet [10:37] Riddell: Ahh, kay. Check. [10:38] Hmm... I just got a second notice about the same build failing.. Why would that happen? [10:39] Do I have to acknowledge it or something to shut it up? === lbm [n=lbm@0x50a1ee0c.unknown.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Ingar [n=saltvik@ti500720a080-7728.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === twb [n=twb@CPE-155-143-208-237.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:51] shawarma: Because I retried it for kicks. === Hobbsee waves to infinity [10:52] oh man [10:52] i'm || <- this close to turning off my ubuntu and canonical aliases [10:52] jdub: why? [10:52] jdub: I'd question why you still have a canonical one anyway. :P [10:53] Hobbsee: horrific spammage [10:53] ah === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-5-167.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jonib1 [n=jonas@ua-83-227-144-18.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === CyberT3 [n=Administ@193.198.27.60] has joined #ubuntu-devel === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:05] first_auth_command=dhclient %i [11:05] whats wrong with above line? === luke_ [n=luke@ppp77-57.lns3.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@ip-81-170-100-10.cust.homechoice.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === luke_ [n=luke@ppp77-57.lns3.adl2.internode.on.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === ivoks [n=ivoks@83-131-33-62.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === timfrost [n=timfrost@125-238-33-97.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === pecisk [n=pecisk@purvc-44-54.maksinets.lv] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:36] Riddell: fixed the lack of disk choice in the KDE frontend - just needed to s/disk_buttongroup\.show()/disk_frame.show()/ [11:37] thanks for the help! === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Eons [n=Eons@host-84-220-231-11.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #ubuntu-devel === szachista_ [n=322@auk93.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:54] hello [11:55] i'm not sure if it's a good place for this question, but [11:55] where can i report misuse of ubuntu licence? [11:55] i have read on fsf site that first it should be reported to the copyright holder [11:55] does it mean canonical? [11:56] cjwatson: cool [11:56] the case is there is oen regional distro, just created few day before, which uses packages from ubuntu repository but it licence says the whole distro is freeware [11:56] cjwatson: I'm looking at porting it to qt4 just now [11:57] szachista_: I'd be inclined to mail info@ubuntu.com; most of the time that sort of thing is just a misunderstanding [11:58] they probably aren't actually breaking our licence (and note that we are only the copyright holder of parts of it), just misrepresenting it [11:58] Riddell: neat === jonib1 [n=jonas@ua-83-227-144-18.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [11:59] cjwatson: well, i was talking with it's author and looks like he really interprets gpl the wrong way :/ [12:00] cjwatson: ohh... and there is no english version for this licence for now, so is worth to write to cannonical about that? [12:00] if you can provide a reliable translation, sure [12:01] (I think there may be a better address than info@, but I don't remember what it would be ...) === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180107145.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === geser [n=michael@dialin107130.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jonh_wendell [n=wendell@40-88-199-200.vcnet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F5920.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tsmithe is now known as TheGods === TheGods is now known as tsmithe === geser [n=michael@dialin107130.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@ip-81-170-100-10.cust.homechoice.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@p54966402.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@p54966402.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob [i=RobertSt@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:06] ajmitch: ping [01:06] rob: He is likely sleeping, it's around 1am [01:06] in NZ? === StevenK nods. [01:07] Well, ajmitch is, I'm not. :-) [01:07] ah ok, I'm in aus, its only 10am here (should have thought about that) [01:07] yeah [01:07] err 10 pm rather === StevenK grins [01:07] rob: SA? [01:07] yes, but you're in queensland [01:07] Ah. [01:07] That'd do it. [01:07] yep [01:08] Fujitsu: SA's only half an hour behind. the flight attendants told us so. [01:08] A..ha. [01:08] Hobbsee: half an hour and twenty years. [01:08] I just noticed on sourceforge that he is involved with a project called Scrappy, which sounds like something my wife would be interested in using eventually [01:08] Yup. And NT is 1 and a half hours, just to be confusing. [01:09] jdub: *grin* === Fujitsu looks for the MoM reset switch. [01:12] Fujitsu: Commonly called "Keybuk" [01:12] I was thinking chocolates, but sure, ok :D === Fujitsu presses Keybuk, and doesn't see any useful effect. [01:18] Fujitsu: wait till it pops up again before pressing it === Fujitsu thinks it is stuck, and presses it repetitively anyway. === thekorn [n=markus@a81-14-207-109.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:19] Keybuk or MoM? :-P [01:19] MoM might be crashing [01:19] StevenK: I presume it is crashing, yes. [01:19] It has a habit of that, of late. [01:21] Special. apt-get in my hoary chroot has spontaenously decided to start segfaulting. [01:21] Fanfreakingtastic. [01:21] Sounds ideal! [01:21] infinity: *way cool* - why do you have a hoary chroot? [01:21] Hobbsee: Why not? [01:21] infinity: it might be aware that its's supposed to be entirely dead now... === Fujitsu agrees with Hobbsee on the latter point. [01:21] infinity: because it's EOL'd? [01:21] +1 pitti [01:22] haha [01:22] Hobbsee: Old habits die hard. [01:22] I suppose I should delete EOL chroots. [01:22] Hell, I still have potato chroots. [01:22] infinity: got warty ones too, then? [01:22] Buzz! [01:22] Hobbsee: Yes. [01:22] heh [01:22] Hobbsee: at my parents i found a cdr labeled Warty RC [01:22] with a solid inch of dust on it [01:22] history in the making [01:22] bhale: ...wow === pitti removed his hoary chroot on November 1st, in a devotional ceremony [01:23] (base)adconrad@cthulhu:/chroot$ find * -maxdepth 0 -type d [01:23] breezy [01:23] dapper [01:23] edgy [01:23] etch [01:23] feisty [01:23] hoary [01:23] potato [01:23] sarge [01:23] sid [01:23] warty [01:23] woody [01:23] Good old woody. [01:23] Is woody EOL now too? Or is Debian still doing oldstable updates? [01:24] ended ages ago [01:24] Right. Guess I can make that go too. === szachista_ [n=322@auk93.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === infinity sheds a tear. [01:24] infinity: woody support ended in June 2006 IIRC [01:25] (one year after sarge was released) [01:25] http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/ agrees === Whoopie [n=Whoopie@unaffiliated/whoopie] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:29] Hi, is there any plan when the edgy-commercial repo is filled with the packages from dapper-commercial? === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:36] Whoopie: I don't believe that's going to happen automatically; it depends what the companies supporting those packages want to do [01:38] infinity: Just one? [01:38] cjwatson: ah, I thought somebody of the devs is filling the repo. So you are waiting until the companies are ready with packages for edgy? [01:38] errr... what was that email where i can report ubuntu licence violation? [01:38] sorry, my web browser has crashed ;( [01:38] Whoopie: well, it's not my responsibility, that's just what I vaguely remember [01:38] StevenK: Several, truth be told. Woody was a good release, with many fond memories. [01:39] i mean i use opera for irc ;) [01:39] Heh [01:39] szachista_: info@ubuntu.com was what I suggested, although as I said it may not be quite right [01:39] cjwatson: thank you :) [01:39] infinity: Do packages need to be given back manually if a dependancy didn't exist? [01:39] cjwatson: ok, thanks. [01:39] StevenK: Should go into dep-wait, which will be auto-cleared. [01:39] StevenK: Package in question? [01:40] Whoopie: mdy@c.c deals with that sort of thing from the corporate end, I believe [01:40] infinity: libept [01:41] well, libtagcoll2-dev still doesn't exist ... [01:42] StevenK: https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/282546 [01:42] StevenK: auto-dep-wait. It'll clear when the dep can be found. :) === szachista_ [n=322@auk93.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:43] do import requests from experimental require an ubuntu-archive bug, or is an IRC ping enough? [01:43] Ah, I know why. libtagcoll2 has built, and is stuck in binary NEW. === ivoks [n=ivoks@161.53.50.60] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:43] pitti: Paper trails are nice, but IRC can do the trick, if someone's in the mood to do the sync. [01:44] ok; I'd like to get postgresql-8.2 into feisty, but I cannot upload it to unstable yet since it would disrupt the etch release process === pitti files a bug [01:44] cjwatson: I note that gcl has built on all archs. [01:44] (Well, I think that's it. I can't check, of course. :-) [01:45] pitti: re exiv2 MIR - are we supposed to hunt upstream regarding soname or is it possible to accept it as is? [01:45] StevenK: It's not anymore. :P === StevenK grins. [01:46] Neat, so hopefully libept will be stuck in the same fate soon. :-) [01:46] Ungh, someone put the tagcoll2 source in universe. [01:46] And it produces binaries in main. [01:46] Lure: asking upstream about sane sonames is always a good idea, but I won't insist that it's done before promotion [01:46]