[12:13] i hit three bugs today, two for python packages in the main repository [12:14] really really critical bugs, i don't understand how they got released -- severe missing dependencies === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === omgponiezlol [n=freddy@74.39.212.101] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:17] the other package is for something in universe, and it's not clear to me who to contact to get it fixed. the maintainer is a debian person, but the problem is ubuntu specific. [12:20] brainsik: do you have bug numbers? [12:20] sure [12:21] This is probably easier: [12:21] https://bugs.launchpad.net/people/brainsik/+reportedbugs [12:21] ignore the kernel bug, that one i posted a while ago [12:22] the others are from today/yesterday [12:22] looks like one was confirmed [12:23] hmm === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-042-108.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:26] brainsik: this is on Edgy? [12:26] indeed === gandalfn [n=gandalfn@i02m-87-89-253-156.d4.club-internet.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [12:27] well, the Debian package is the problem [12:27] for python-imaging [12:29] LaserJock: what do you see? the debian package dependencies look correct [12:29] LaserJock: things look fixed in Feisty === muzzol_ is now known as muzzol [12:29] brainsik: ? [12:30] I looked at the Debian sid packages and they are missing the deps you said [12:30] Ubuntu didn't change anything [12:30] LaserJock: this? http://packages.debian.org/unstable/python/python-imaging [12:31] yeah [12:32] LaserJock: those dependencies are right, they have the C libraries libjpeg62, etc [12:32] I know, what I'm saying is Ubuntu hasn't changed anything [12:32] I'm trying to track down what happened [12:33] i'm really confused, they are missing here: [12:33] oh, i see [12:33] LaserJock: i have a theory, if you want to hear it [12:33] ah, I think I found it for python-imaging [12:33] * Add dependencies on ${shlibs:Depends}, lost in -6. Closes: #378596. [12:34] yeah, i saw that entry in the fesity changelog [12:34] that's in the 1.1.5-11 changelog [12:34] Edgy has 1.1.5-10 [12:34] ah [12:34] so it just missed that fix [12:35] it looks like the same thing happened to python-psycopg [12:35] http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/p/psycopg/psycopg_1.1.21-13/changelog [12:35] 1.1.21-10 === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-75-109.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:36] LaserJock: my theory is all this happened when Ubunutu moved from having python-imaging depend on python2.4-imaging (where all the binary stuff was), to just python-imaging. It's like all the dependencies didn't get changed. And in the case of python-psycopg, even the description "[Dummy Package] " remains in edgy. [12:37] well, Ubuntu didn't do it but they just lost the ${shlibs:Depends} when the went from metapackage to real package === Xk2c__ [n=Xk2c@dslb-088-072-254-197.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:38] LaserJock: I see what you are saying [12:39] Debian underwent a transition to a new Python Policy for packaging [12:39] these 2 packages unfortunately didn't get completely fixed in time for Edgy it seems === brainsik ndos [12:39] how bad of a bug are these? [12:39] do they make the packages unusable? [12:40] really bad: 1) if you do a fresh install of python-imaging, then you won't get the C libraries installed and the package is useless. importing the module fails. [12:40] 2) if you use apititude dist-upgrade to go from dapper to edgy, the C libraries can get uninstalled, breaking the packages that used to work === Xk2c__ [n=Xk2c@dslb-088-072-254-197.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["sudo] [12:41] Tmob: Only just got round to looking at your code now. I have no idea what's wrong. Sorry. [12:41] shawarma, i found this.. http://www.red-bean.com/pipermail/minor/2004-May/000190.html [12:41] shawarma, read their comment.. search for BREG [12:42] trying to see how to change my code that way.. [12:43] i'm really bad at this asm embedding.. [12:43] LaserJock: apticron is totally broken as well, the cron job can't run with the change from /bin/bash to /bin/dash for /bin/sh. [12:44] brainsik: and that is on edgy as well? [12:44] LaserJock: yes [12:44] shawarma, hmm removing -fPIC works.. not sure if it will work operationally though [12:44] brainsik: and it renders apticron useless I suppose [12:45] LaserJock: well, it doesn't run :) the program itself works, but it's the cronjob that is supposed to run it and the cronscript is busted. [12:45] well, I'm just trying to get a feel for if these bugs are candidates for edgy-updates [12:46] they all seem like pretty severe regressions to me === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:46] LaserJock: well, that's how i feel [12:47] LaserJock: thankfully, they are all really simple fixes [12:47] yes they are, but the process to get them there is kind of lengthy [12:47] LaserJock: i have no doubt :-( is there any way i can help? [12:49] brainsik: well, I think I'll try to write the SRUs and I might need some help as far as the user impact is concerned === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-75-109.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [12:50] brainsik: btw, this is the Stable Release Updates (SRU) process: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates [12:53] i'd think the lowest risk way to fix theese issues caused by the bash-dash transition would be to simply alter the scripts in question to use bash [12:53] yep [12:53] that's the thing, all three of these bugs are 1-line fixes === nolimitsoya [n=nolimits@176.139.216.81.static.vhe.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:54] plugwash: that's what i did on the edgy machine where i found it === zen-afk [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:03] ping LaserJock [01:03] yeah [01:04] i uploaded a new version of asoundconf-gtk with the changes you suggested, should you care to revu it again [01:05] tsmithe: ok, probably can't right away but probably this weekend I'll try to rerevu the ones I did the other day [01:05] thanks muchly === lophyte [n=dsulliva@bas5-toronto63-1096706430.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:05] i wasn't expecting anything "right away" ;) [01:06] now if only someone could merge(? - is that the correct term) xfce4 [01:06] I would guess Gloubiboulga will be doing that [01:06] coolio [01:07] just i'm hoping i won't need to file a bug about this annoying panel when that's done [01:07] ah yeah - just saw the email [01:08] brainsik: ok, I assigned myself to your 3 bugs, I'll try to get SRUs proposed as soon as I can [01:09] LaserJock: i appreciate it very much. any idea how this could have happened? these packages appear to not have been tested before release. [01:12] brainsik: well, basically what happened is we released Edgy right between the problem and the fix in Debian [01:12] and if nobody filed a bug before we released there isn't much of a way to know [01:13] well in the case of the missing dependencies maybe most people who used them on ubuntu already had the libs in question installed from other things [01:13] perhaps [01:13] it's tricky business trying to make sure it's all perfect [01:13] plugwash: yeah, i can see that. but the apticron one doesn't fit that. :( [01:14] as for apticron it appears to be a straight auto-import from debian so its quite possible that is was simply never tested [01:14] well, we did do some bashism testing I remember [01:14] LaserJock: indeed. i just feel like if i pick Debian, i get higher quality but a release cycle that's far too long. If i pick Ubuntu, i get a great release cycle, but everything is far less tested. :-( [01:15] well, there are sum pluses and minuses there for sure [01:15] we are really trying to get better testing for Feisty [01:15] yeah, one of the disadvantages of using a second tier distro like ubuntu is that the repositries may contain packages that have never been tested on that distro [01:16] whereas with a first tier distro you can be fairly sure that the maintainer at least tested it on thier own system before uploading [01:16] LaserJock: well, let me know if you need any help from me. [01:16] and is likely also aware of any major changes happening in the distro [01:17] plugwash: yeah, that's what i am coming to understand. very interesting. === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feb6fb00-217.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:17] well, one of these is particularly interesting [01:17] because the Debian maintainer is also the Ubuntu maintainer [01:18] so he should have known there was an issue there [01:18] but as he basically takes care of all of python in Ubuntu I guess he overlooked it [01:20] btw why was the bash-dash change made in the first place? performance? [01:20] Does anyone have an ia64 machine I can use for debugging a package? [01:20] brainsik: the best thing I can tell you is that if you possibly can test the packages you care about in Feisty *before* it's released [01:20] plugwash: performance is cited in the description of the package [01:20] brainsik: generally the Beta release would be the best [01:20] LaserJock: yeah, that's what i'm thinking i'll probably do [01:20] yeah, it shaved some time on bootup === twanj__ [n=chatzill@c-66-176-118-121.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:21] and I guess it just in general made system processes faster === twanj__ is now known as twanj [01:21] LaserJock: i'm coming from Debian, so i've gotten used to things pretty much always working. i realize it's different with the faster release cycle and i think i'm willing to put in the extra time for it. and i've now got a VM system up and running, so testing should be no big deal. [01:21] brainsik: I believe we are also going to try to do much more automated testing too for Feisty === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:21] LaserJock: It shaved quite a lot of time on bootup, I believe. [01:21] Fujitsu: heh just goes to show what we need to indicate a merge in progress. :) [01:22] TheMuso: Yup. [01:22] LaserJock: cool. it's all very interesting to me. [01:22] yeah, for me as well === plugwash would think that at least a regression test install then rebuild then install the rebuilt version for every package would be a good idea [01:22] TheMuso, Fujitsu: I was just thinking (and talking with sfflaw) about tags on LP [01:23] perhaps we can file bugs for merges and tag them to show status [01:24] I'm not sure if we'd even need tags, maybe an advanced search would be enough [01:24] plugwash: but doing that on 20,000 source packages takes some time too :-0 [01:24] :-) rather [01:24] joejaxx: you can work around that by appending hw-detect/start_pcmcia=false . The problem is the partitioner. [01:24] many of the things I'm frustrated by are bugs that take actual usage to know that there is a regression [01:25] crimsun: ah ok [01:25] i will have to try that [01:25] we don't have time to play around with every package to see if it works right [01:25] and most of the time we wouldn't even know what to look for [01:25] LaserJock: Agreed. [01:26] packages that are uninstallable or Fail To Build From Source are about as far as we can go [01:26] LaserJock: Personally, I'm sick of users saying "This has been broken for months! Don't you check?!" [01:26] [00:22] plugwash: but doing that on 20,000 source packages takes some time too :-0 <-- which is why you 1: automate it 2: use fast machines 3: use more than one machine. [01:26] plugwash: but some amount of stuff is not easily automated [01:26] like what I'm saying [01:26] plugwash: That won't catch everything. [01:27] we generally handle FTBFS and unmet-deps reasonably well [01:27] StevenK nope but it can at least be made to catch packages that are uninstallable on a system with a minimal installation [01:27] ajmitch is working on getting britney working on Universe === Fujitsu_ [n=william@c58-107-164-24.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:28] it apparently takes quite a bit of time and RAM but I think we'll have it === Fujitsu_ [n=william@c58-107-164-24.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:29] Note to self: Keep track of time when using a laptop on battery power with Blackbox; there's no g-p-m to save you. === Gervystar [n=alessand@host119-239-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:29] heh [01:30] why not run g-p-m in blackbox? [01:30] or would that totally defeat the purpose [01:30] I haven't got any Gnome stuff installed at the moment. [01:30] does ubuntu currently import stuff from sid regardless of RC bugs? [01:30] I believe so [01:30] I don't think I've got any Gnome libs other than GTK, or dbus/hal... [01:30] I think it's pretty automatic [01:30] plugwash: Yes. === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:32] LaserJock: pong === rrittenhouse [n=tad@cpe-76-188-35-66.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:40] Heya gang [01:40] Hi bddebian. [01:40] 'lo bddebian, Fujitsu_ [01:40] Hi Fujitsu_ [01:41] crimsun: Hiya [01:43] Hi crimsun . === ehazlett [n=ehazlett@adsl-68-249-103-255.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:52] Damn sparc and ia64 buildds lagging behind... === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doomsday- [n=doomsday@81.57.199.217] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doomsday- [n=doomsday@home.cameuh.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thill2708 [n=tomlikes@66-192-212-199.static.twtelecom.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ash211 [n=andrew@user-11faskq.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ash211 [n=andrew@user-11faskq.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === somerville32 [n=somervil@fctnnbsc15w-156034095008.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === awbassett [n=awbasset@206.135.97.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:44] bddebian: (Debian component again...) [02:45] crimsun: ? [02:45] #75064 [02:45] Oh, shister === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:46] bddebian: lol [02:47] bddebian: if i wanted to test out debian === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:47] bddebian: which release should i get? === bddebian only ever ran Unstable :-) [02:47] bddebian: you may find pitti's script (cf. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources under Syncs) useful [02:48] bddebian: :P [02:48] bddebian: does debian have clustering packages in its repos? === orion2012 [n=orion@hypnogogic.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:51] bddebian: nevermind that is an ignorant question [02:52] crimsun: Doesn't work real well when filing bugs from a Windows box ;-P [02:59] joejaxx use the etch rc1 images [02:59] plugwash: ok === joejaxx wgets === psusi [n=phreak@user-0c6s0ia.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Marsmensch [n=daniel@dslb-084-056-087-120.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:33] Sheesh where the hell do I see what component the stupid debian package is in?? [03:36] crimsun: ?? [03:40] bddebian: I normally use PTS [03:40] Which is? [03:41] bddebian: e.g., http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/pymol.html , see the source file URLs at the bottom of the left side [03:41] (note the 'main' in the URL) [03:41] Hmm, I'm on packages.qa.d.o [03:42] e.g., http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/pymol/pymol_0.98+0.99rc6-2.dsc [03:43] Yeah, duh thanks [03:44] np === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:50] Hmm, I just sync everything and I won't have anything to do for Feisty+1 :-) [03:51] sounds like a win-win situation! [03:52] whos a kde person here ? [03:53] I know enough to be dangerous, that's about it [03:54] does adept-installer do dpkg-divert tricks to make upgrades work ? [03:54] its missing replaces: statements for adept, which it was split out from [03:55] (the whole suite is buggy in this regard) [03:56] Got me, sorry :-( [03:57] do you have adept installed ? [03:57] if so can you look in the preinsert for adept-installer, for dpkg-divert calls ? === FunnyHat [n=david@64.140.73.93] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:02] dpkg-deb -I adept-installer_2.1.2ubuntu3_i386.deb preinst >/dev/null 2>&1 ; echo $? [04:02] 2 [04:02] so there's no preinst at all. [04:04] righto [04:04] bugfiling time [04:05] re [04:05] (imbrandon is a kde person) [04:05] I know that ;) [04:05] ? === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-111-227.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:06] imbrandon: you broke adept-installer!!?@ [04:06] (jk) [04:06] ugh hehe doubtfull, that thing is a mess === imbrandon dosent like to touch it :) === imbrandon reads the scrollback [04:06] "it broke itself, i swear" [04:06] whoever did the packaging update to 2.1 broke it [04:07] mostlikely Riddell or mornfall [04:07] they are the only two brave enough souls to touch it [04:08] i know there was some changes planned soon for it ( as far as the way it handled debconf stuff ) but not sure who is doing it or if its even started or finished [04:09] btw heya crimsun elkbuntu lifeless and bddebian [04:09] &hi; [04:09] hi imbrandon :) [04:09] btw elkbuntu got the bday card today, thanks :) [04:09] :) [04:09] imbrandon: You're also born on the 9th? [04:09] 19th [04:09] Ah [04:09] is my bday [04:09] i had no idea what day to aim for [04:10] haha [04:10] lol [04:10] just knew it was sometime in december and i had to make fun of your age : [04:10] "err, well, it's sometime before Christmas..." [04:10] LOL [04:10] Muahah [04:10] Heya imbrandon [04:10] :) [04:10] imbrandon is now an old fart [04:10] *cough* [04:10] officialy in a few days :) [04:11] imbrandon: this is trivial shit [04:11] imbrandon: broken packaging [04:11] lifeless: ahh [04:11] happy few-days-day [04:11] https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/75073 [04:11] Malone bug 75073 in adept "missing conflicts or replaces: lines in splt out packages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [04:11] nice [04:12] is there a changelog entry to show whom slit the packages ? [04:12] split* [04:12] should be [04:12] you have it installed, not me :) [04:12] just look for 2.1 [04:12] hahah thats the first thing i uninstall :) [04:12] but i will [04:12] :) [04:12] first adept then oo.o , THEN i use my computer :) === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:14] imbrandon: :) === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xerxas_ [n=R67894@mut38-5-82-246-190-19.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:20] what's the MOTU policy on annoying programs? :D [04:21] there is none :) [04:21] yay! [04:21] come on, who doesn't want musical iptables? [04:21] though I gotta bring down the pitch of ports 40000+ [04:22] ugh LVM has finaly gotten the better of me === imbrandon reformats the server === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:36] Is there an SRU policy for documentation packages? [04:37] i'd assume its the sme sru policy [04:38] as the rest of the archive [04:38] s/sme/same [04:38] gotten the better of you? [04:38] lvm trash your data or something? [04:39] But there is such a low risk of regression. It seems like there should be a more permissible policy for documentation to allow fixs and updates. [04:39] psusi: no i seem to be too ignorant to set it up correctly === psusi doesn't see too much point in it [04:39] somerville32: well imho the SRU policy is quite permissable [04:40] psusi: well its really really nice for a server you plan on adding more and more storage to at some point [04:40] with -0- downtime [04:40] and minimal data movement [04:40] I guess.... if you plan on hot plugging the new storage === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:41] sure, 146gig 15k sas drives in a del poweredge 2950 are quite hotplugable :) [04:41] s/del/dell [04:41] I just wish it would handle raid configurations other than 1 [04:41] well raid is done with the hardware controller so no biggie there [04:42] I don't like hardware raid [04:42] its very very nice and very reliable from my experince [04:42] seen them munch the drives a few times or just blow up and you can't plug the drives in another machine and recover the data [04:43] sure, i did just that exact thing 2 days ago on a redhat oracle server for colegate [04:43] just pulled a drive while it was hot, put it in another box and rebuilt the array [04:43] took all of 1 hour max [04:43] psusi: deoends on the raid controllers in question [04:43] no, I mean if the raid controller dies, you can't just plug the disks in another machine and pull data off [04:44] psusi: sure you can [04:44] why wouldent you be able to [04:44] psusi: *depends on the raid controller* [04:44] just import the config on the new raid controller [04:44] because you can't access the array without the card [04:44] psusi: so buy more than one card! [04:44] that assumes you have a new controller of the same type ;) [04:44] that's not allways possible/painless [04:44] plugin the battry pbackup, and away you go, no dataloss [04:45] depends on your raid setup, i JUST pulled a sigle drive from a raid 5 ( perc 5 dell controller ) and poped it into a nother box and booted [04:45] shawarma, there? [04:45] then added a few more drives and boom i had an identiacl box [04:45] anyone here familiar with inline asm in C? === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:45] imbrandon, ohh, raid1 then I guess? can't do that with raid5 [04:45] or gcc constraints.. specifically [04:45] http://pastebin.ca/272618 [04:45] i just said raid 5 [04:45] :) [04:46] imbrandon, care to explain how you boot from only one physical disk out of a raid5 set? ;) [04:46] you dont you rebuild the array with more drives then you can [04:47] e.g. you have a single poweredge with 4 drives in a raid 5 [04:47] that requires the raid controller card [04:47] wow [04:47] then you pull one replace it, pull the second etc [04:47] more cnoflicts ;) === PAR [n=paul@ip72-203-164-36.pn.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:47] I'm not talking about replacing a failed disk, I'm talking about when the controller dies and you want to get the data off using another machine ( that doesn't have the same controller ) [04:48] ahh well use the same controler :) e.g. 90% of our machinges are poweredges with the same controlers [04:48] and I once had a controller up and decide that the 4 disks in the array were in fact, members of two different arrays of the same name, and since each only had 2 out of the 4 in the set, they could not be activated ;) [04:49] not a problem backup from tape ( you wernt relying on the raid if it was the only raid controler you had were you ? ) [04:49] shouldn't have to [04:50] yes you should, no single point of failure [04:50] eg one raid controler [04:50] with software raid you can plug the drives into any machine and they work [04:50] no, shouldn't have to resort to the backups [04:50] not you shouldn't have to back up ;) === mwolson [i=mwolson@jpi-wlafyte-212-116.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:51] well that was more of a case of not buying the proper hardware for the setup, e.g. you still had a single point of failure [04:51] not that hardware raid is bad [04:51] that's my point... the hardware raid introduces that single point of failure [04:52] go with software raid and you have one less single point of failure [04:52] not in any sane production enviornment [04:52] hah, that's a neat trick [04:52] and more overhead [04:52] negligable [04:52] openSuse 10.2's installation never reboots [04:52] it just unmounts the installation media chroots into the system and boots up like normal [04:52] crunching a few XORs is blindingly fast on modern cpus ;) [04:52] psusi: well every cycle counts in some ( most situations at work ) cases :) [04:53] jdong, sounds neat... unless the installation isn't actually bootable, then when they reboot, it doesn't work ;) [04:53] that and you can do neat thingsa like raid 5 with LVM :) [04:53] psusi: at least it gives them one run :D [04:53] lol [04:54] hehe [04:54] psusi: anyhow point is if its done correctly ( as with anything ) hardware raid isnt bad, infact its good in some cases :) [04:54] Hmm, we don't have libsvn-perl? [04:55] bddebian: we should [04:55] bddebian: or how does svk work? [04:55] and wow, the sysinfo:/ view is cool [04:56] but that umount progress dialog bug is still there [04:56] lol [04:56] we should just mount our removable devices sync [04:56] no no no [04:57] sync boogers the disk [04:57] we need to dig up that flush mount option patch and get it in the kernel [04:57] what's wrong with the umount progress dialog? [04:57] psusi: it's nonexistent in KDE since Edgy [04:58] ohh... what happened to it? [04:58] rather 3.5.4/3.5.5 [04:58] psusi: WE DONT KNOW [04:58] lol [04:58] and nobody appears to be trying to figure it out :) [04:58] would be a good thing to fix ;) [04:58] jdong: Well it's supposed to come from the subversion source package but I don't see a binary in feisty [04:58] or as a workaround, change the unmount behavior to a remount ro, THEN umount [04:58] psusi: but right now it means there's around a 5-30 second death trap for Kubuntu users [04:59] hmm, yes, that workaround would work [04:59] at least that way the icon won't go away until it is all flushed [04:59] right === shawarma [n=sh@atlas.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xeros [i=xeros@fan194.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lathiat [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kaloz [i=kaloz@openwrt/developer/Kaloz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gazer [n=nngazer@mail.assekuransa.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buxy [n=nnnnnnra@arrakeen.ouaza.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === psusi wonders how well it would go over to have a popup when you unplug a disk that has not been cleanly unmounted yet that says "Aiyeee! You took that disk before I was done with it! BAD MONKEY!" === elmargol [n=elmargol@host4-61.pool8248.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:02] psusi: Edgy GNOME does that [05:02] psusi: but the wording IMO is absurd [05:03] it's a speed-reading test [05:03] lol, really? neat... what's it say? [05:03] it shows like 2 or 3 sentences of a warning [05:03] on a libnotify popup [05:03] that lasts like 5 seconds [05:03] hahha === jdong triest to bring it up [05:04] "BAD MONKEY! You have angered the computer gods. For your transgressions you must be punished. I will eat all your files for breakfast. Yum yum yum." [05:05] Unsafe Device removal. To avoid serious data loss, disable removable drives with the Eject option in the drive icon's context menu, on the desktop, Computer place, or drive applet. [05:05] actually, the notification stays there until you close it out now [05:05] it didn't the last time I invoked that dialog [05:06] psusi: it doesn't actually check for diry unflushed buffers though [05:06] psusi: that'd be more hilarious [05:06] is it accompanied by an audio of "DANGER WILL ROBINSON! DANGER!"? === siretart [i=siretart@tauware.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:06] "Congratulations, you just lost 11.5MB of data. If you want to do that again, feel free to yank out your drives anytime you want! loser" [05:06] ok, I think I have had enough beer while on irc for tonight [05:06] lol [05:07] lol [05:07] night === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:36] bah... 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[05:46] No I don't, sorry [05:47] Of course the other option is to get it included in the upstream tarball :-) [05:47] well this is kinda a distro specific kinda thing..... [05:47] okay i'll look into that, what do you mean by uuencode? [05:50] Basically you encode the binary file to text, then when building you need to decode the file back to the binary format. [05:50] is uuencode installed by default on systems? [05:50] or will that be another build dep [05:51] No, I think you have to add a build-dep for it but I'm not positive [05:51] I usually try to avoid doing that [05:51] alright. i'll give xpm a shot with feh [05:51] any other image formats that are ASCII friendly? [05:58] well moot point, feh works with xpms :) === Hobbsee [n=user@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:01] ...where is everyone? [06:03] hiding [06:03] awww :( === Hobbsee knows that she's not in the best state, but didnt think people would hide from her :( [06:05] Fujitsu: ping === bddebian2 [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:13] cool, more MOTU's [06:21] Where, where? [06:25] and she leaves :/ [06:26] I guess I scared her away? :) [06:26] I seem to have that affect on women ;-P [06:26] heh === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:26] and bugs [06:27] bddebian: I was going to ask you, I see syncs of science packages with .desktops. how's that going? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:30] LaserJock: Like which? [06:33] changing IP addresses on a T1 breaks a lot of stuff [06:33] :P [06:33] forgot about all my apache vhosts [06:33] Heh. Heya chillywilly [06:34] it's so quiet...why? === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:35] Hobbsee: We're falling asleep :_) [06:36] bah [06:36] wimp [06:36] holy shit, I've had the same netflix movies forever [06:36] rexbron: RE: libmjpegtools0c2a, potential IP issues for encoding [06:37] I am so not getting my money's worth [06:37] crimsun: hmm [06:37] that will pose a problem [06:37] i guess cinelerra will have to be multiverse [06:37] too bad [06:38] Ahhh, why do I sit here and watch the news?? [06:39] bddebian: awww [06:39] slacker [06:39] ;P [06:39] bddebian: I'll talk to you later about it [06:41] Laser_away: NP, gnight man === celestius [n=chatzill@vine10.Stanford.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-motu === guibis [n=guibis@byh131.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:51] crimsun: you around? [06:51] heya Hobbsee [06:51] hey imbrandon [06:51] how's things? [06:51] goodie :) [06:52] ( if thats a word ) === celestius [n=chatzill@vine10.Stanford.EDU] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [06:52] heh === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:53] hey jdong [06:53] hey [06:53] I should be sleeping :) [06:53] but who needs sleep when there's some coding deadlines in 2 days :D [06:53] what deadlines? [06:53] and respective webdocs [06:53] Hobbsee: not ubuntu, some robotics stuff [06:54] ah [06:54] but there is good news [06:54] imbrandon: does sound work, on kde? 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[07:17] i dont want to install into /usr/local/bin.. [07:17] i want to see what its installing.. first [07:17] the Makefile{,s} should honor $DESTDIR [07:18] Hobbsee: yes? [07:18] crimsun, ok, i guess this particular make doesn;t :( [07:18] i want it to think that ites installing into /usr/local/.. [07:18] becaues it sets up some env scripts which have the destination locations inside them [07:19] isn't there a way to do taht? somehow wrap the entire app into a chroot or something..? [07:19] I take it this app doesn't use autotools, then? [07:19] no.. not even ./configure [07:20] its just a makefile [07:20] and i type make [07:20] sick. [07:20] yeah, hack up the Makefile{,s} [07:20] heh ok [07:21] urgh [07:21] what is it with peoples' fascination to type random commands they see? === jdong just had to reset a robotics build server because a kid has apparently discovered the infamous bash forkbomb [07:22] jdong, why isn't ulimit set properly? [07:22] i will blame the admin [07:23] because I thought I could trust them [07:23] yeah, so blame me [07:23] mainly because I didn't want them to actually have a reason for spawning a large # of processes [07:23] then call me a 2:30AM when they can't [07:23] (which they have before) [07:23] AND DONT TELL ME TO UNPLUG MY PHONE [07:23] :) [07:24] dont unplug it, turn off the ringer :) [07:24] you should unplug yo... [07:24] lol [07:24] the crappy build tools sometimes do need for users to be able to spawn around 30-50 processes [07:25] so set the mimit to 100 [07:25] limit* [07:25] and even 30 infinite loops on a uniprocessor box is pretty deadly [07:25] in terms of ssh'ing in and stopping it [07:25] but I guess it sure beats nothing === jdong effects a limit of 100 === jdong considers testing the limit with the bash forkbomb, then thinks better of it [07:26] just tell them to watch youtube while they wait till you come in in the morning [07:27] crimsun: ping? [07:27] imbrandon: then they leave youtube presents for me :) [07:27] imbrandon: /bin/head failed tripwire the other day.... [07:28] Hobbsee: contentless pong [07:28] Hobbsee: back in 20 mins, try again [07:28] it featured a wonderful new feature [07:28] well make it intresting and blok youtube at the router and make them do some ssh / socks forwarding home but figure it out on thier own etc [07:28] $ head on [07:28] it will slow them down for a few hours [07:28] applied directly to the forehead! [07:28] crimsun: okay. ping for 20 mins then. [07:28] [07:28] crimsun: @ sound [07:29] sometimes I really think I should take away some of the sudoers [07:29] i thouht you said you are the only admin [07:29] if they have sudo they can fix it [07:29] if they cant fix it they shouldent have sudo :) [07:30] imbrandon: they use sudo to install stupid bsd shell games and fortune addon packs [07:30] lol [07:30] and I didn't say I was the only admin [07:30] e.g. again why do they need it, thats not an administered server thans a sandbox it sounds like :) [07:31] I hopelessly assume that if I give a member or two sudo, they'd fix things themselves and not bother me [07:31] http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200612/pup/elections-wtf.png [07:31] since I'm not technically on the team anymore === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:31] sfw === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:53] Hobbsee: pong [07:54] crimsun: my sound has died again, how do i fix it? [07:54] crimsun: i get nothing from aplay === Fujitsu yawns [07:54] hey Fujitsu [07:54] Gawd it's hot outside. [07:54] by "nothing", do you mean "it's inaudible but appears to play", or do you mean "it explodes"? [07:54] And low visibility... [07:55] the former [07:55] Hobbsee: pastebin ``asoundconf list && amixer'', please [07:56] crimsun: http://rafb.net/paste/results/NmQMQ313.html [07:56] nicght all [07:56] err gnight [07:56] Night, imbrandon. [07:56] Hobbsee: amixer set 'Master' 80%,80%,on [07:57] crimsun: still no sound for aplay. but it will blare, as i've got pcm set to max, and control the master via the multimedia keys [07:58] Hobbsee: have you tried unloading all alsa modules, then reloading snd-hda-intel? [07:58] crimsun: no. the syntax is....? [07:59] kill $(lsof -t /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*) && sudo modprobe -r $(lsmod |grep ^snd |awk '{print $1}' |sort -r) && sudo rm -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state && sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel [07:59] no wonder i didnt remember it :P [07:59] kill: usage: kill [-s sigspec | -n signum | -sigspec] pid | jobspec ... or kill -l [sigspec] [07:59] crimsun: ^ [08:00] is it snd_timer that's still loaded? [08:00] it was [08:00] as i had kalarm running [08:00] any processes holding /proc/asound or /dev/snd ? [08:01] crimsun: check with lsof -t /proc/asound/* /dev/snd/* ? [08:02] sure [08:02] returns blank [08:02] ok, and ``lsmod |grep ^snd |awk '{print $1}' |sort -r'' ? [08:02] a whole lot of stuff - want me to pastebin? [08:03] crimsun: http://rafb.net/paste/results/k04kGE43.html [08:03] sudo modprobe -r $(lsmod |grep ^snd |awk '{print $1}' |sort -r) [08:04] FATAL: Module snd_timer is in use. [08:05] ah, yep, that one. [08:05] are you running 6.06, 6.10, or 7.04? [08:05] (all three of them have broken alsa, yay?) [08:08] crimsun: 7.04 [08:08] feisty [08:08] mm, that's rather tragic. [08:08] head -3 /proc/asound/card0/codec* [08:09] ==> /proc/asound/card0/codec#0 <== [08:09] Codec: SigmaTel STAC9200 [08:09] Address: 0 [08:09] Vendor Id: 0x83847690 [08:09] ==> /proc/asound/card0/codec#1 <== [08:09] Codec: Conexant ID 2bfa [08:09] Address: 1 [08:09] Vendor Id: 0x14f12bfa [08:11] ok, you'll need to try [what will become] 1.0.14rc1 [08:11] sec, I need to roll the snap [08:11] okay [08:12] PGHRAAAH [08:12] you guys are gonna laugh at me [08:12] on second thought, I won't tell you guys === Fujitsu laughs anyway. [08:12] it'll save me the embarassment [08:12] someone pranked /etc/bash.bashrc === jdong doesn't like being interrogated by bashrc.... :( [08:18] and it's just really bad nerd jokes too [08:19] with surprisingly good regex on the punch lines I'm supposed to type in === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu goes into a LP-kicking frenzy. === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:41] Hobbsee: wget http://adhd.irule.net/~crimsun/alsa-snap-20061209.tar.bz2 [08:42] Evening, Burgundavia. [08:42] hey Fujitsu [08:42] DO you have some Freenode LP-attack monitor, or something? [08:42] crimsun: grabbing [08:43] Fujitsu: why so? [08:43] 18:39:24 * Fujitsu goes into a LP-kicking frenzy. [08:43] 18:41:40 -!- Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:44] ah, right [08:44] crimsun: compile it, or what? [08:44] Hobbsee: extract it, make sure build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r) are installed, then cd work/alsa-driver && ./configure --enable-dynamic-minors --with-kernel=/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build --with-debug=full --with-sequencer=yes --with-oss=yes --with-pcm-oss-plugins=yes --with-pcmcia=kernel --with-cards=hda-intel --with-card-options=all && make dep && make && sudo make install-modules [08:45] (spotted a bug in my script, durh, corrected) [08:45] Gah, screw this, I'm going to write something to mass subscribe motuscience directly to the bugs. [08:46] crimsun: wow, that's long [08:46] But that won't work... I can't get a sane listing of bugs... Crap. === Hobbsee goes and hides from crimsun [08:47] crimsun: um.... [08:47] ? [08:47] if your headphones weren't plugged in... === Hobbsee found the problem [08:47] no, wasnt that [08:48] it's about that bad though [08:48] you were wearing the wrong set of headphones? [08:48] no, i had the mute button set [08:48] ah, the hardware mute button [08:48] yes [08:48] yeah, I need to start poking for that [08:48] indeed === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:49] i keep forgetting - it's just a multimedia key, so i hadnt used it prior to this lappy [08:49] ok, well, at least I verified my changes aren't completely insane, since my hardware still seems to work with 14rc1 [08:49] didnt see it in alsamixer or anything [08:49] yeah, you won't, it's lower level [08:49] *grumble* [08:49] thanks for your time, crimsun [08:49] np [08:50] sorry its' for such a pebkac error, i thought i checked that === Fujitsu grabs Hobbsee's Long Pointy Stick of Doom(tm), and gores Launchpad on it. [08:59] heh [09:00] motuscience's bug totals are suffering nastily due to LP's stupidity... [09:01] what is it doing now? [09:01] or, rather, what isn't it doing now? 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If there's a build failure on and architecture which I do not have access to.. Then what? I'm out of luck? 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There are still several packages on there that have already been merged/synced [05:52] Hello rmjb [05:52] I'm gonna try to whack a few today [05:53] I thought you were an ubuntu member? [05:53] I am, why? === _Enchained [n=cyrille@lns-bzn-50f-81-56-226-96.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mruiz [n=mruiz@pc-134-66-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rmjb_ [n=richard@cuscon23876.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-motu === engla [n=ulrik@kr-lun-116-144-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:58] sorry bout that, my "reliable" isp dropped my connection... again [05:59] :-) [05:59] did you get my last comment? how come you came in as n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net ? [06:03] rmjb: I've never gotten my mask [06:04] And Ubuntu doesn't want to admit I'm associated with them ;-P [06:04] oh... good way to hide from guys that pounce on an ubuntu member as soon as they join a channel then :) === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feb6fb00-217.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:09] bddebian: when I finish a merge do I upload to revu or generate some kind of diff to attach to the bug? [06:09] Personally, I would say submit a bug report and attach a diff but I've been a little out of touch lately === reggaemanu__ [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-143-45.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _DvP_ [n=David@2.39.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@161.53.50.54] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:32] I am reading MOTU guides on wiki page and I found this link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Enthusiasts on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU is broken. === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:34] <_Enchained> Hi here [06:34] sivang: hello? [06:34] hello _Enchained [06:35] <_Enchained> Can someone review a package for me ? === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:50] Later gang [06:50] later bddebian === theCore [n=alex@modemcable229.181-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === muzzol [n=muzzol@62-43-64-39.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === johan666 [n=johan@h8441213242.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === ViViD [n=vivid@c-76-22-1-203.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mruiz [n=mruiz@pc-134-66-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === guibis [n=guibis@bxq250.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gazer [n=gazer@ADSL-200-59-77-73.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu__ is now known as reggaemanu|away === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bholtslcaw [n=brandon@voyager.imbrandon.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zorglu_ [n=zorglub@206.43.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:15] woot , finaly got the server racked === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-148-159.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:28] imbrandon: nice [08:29] imbrandon: i got lvm working on the riad0 [08:29] raid 0 [08:29] cool [08:29] F ujit su helped me set it up [08:29] imbrandon: do you know where i can purchase a 72/144GB 4mm tape from? [08:30] the highest i have seen is 36/72 [08:30] not i, monday i can ask the purchasing dept at work [08:30] they might know [08:30] oh ok :) thanks [08:30] imbrandon: have you tried tape backup on ubuntu? [08:31] not personaly but we do it at work all the time [08:31] imbrandon: oh ok [08:39] joejaxx: what tape format? I've worked with LTO [08:42] i have to look it up [08:42] i know it takes 72/144 [08:49] question about merging, if MoM shows changes in the source files, can I ignore them and replace the files with what's in new orig tarball and just focus on the contents of the debian/ directory? === fowlduck [n=nate@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:02] it depends [09:02] some packages dont't use a patch system [09:02] instead the files are patched directly [09:03] how can I tell? [09:04] check where the change comes from === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:07] when using a patch system there is mostly also a debian/patches dir [09:07] in these cases, the original tarball would be modified?, thus the diff.gz would show it? [09:08] yes [09:13] rmjb: what whould you say a good ftpd whould be? proftpd? === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:14] joejaxx: I dunno, but the Ubuntu Server Guide recommends vsftpd: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/ubuntu/serverguide/C/ftp-server.html === joejaxx looks [09:15] i have used proftpd personally but i wanted to see some other alternatives [09:16] joejaxx, I use vsftpd at work & home [09:16] used to use proftpd [09:17] fbond: ah ok [09:17] I never noticed much of a difference, personally, but security features of vsftpd seem to be sufficient [09:17] yeah proftpd can only go so far security wise [09:17] fbond: yeah [09:17] RHEL ships with vsftpd by default, FWIW [09:17] they're supposed to be "stable" and "secure" [09:18] (which translates loosely to, "doing anything non-standard is a royal pain in the ass" [09:18] yeah basically lol [09:19] twoftpd looks like the most secure FTP implemenation for per-user FTP; configuration looked like more than I wanted to deal with at the time. [09:19] the author works for FutureQuest; they are an excellent data-center / hosting company / etc [09:20] fbond: nice :) === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === somerville32 [n=somervil@fctnnbsc15w-156034085183.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:31] q. any good link/keyword on a doc explaining how to setup my own repository ? === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:35] zorglu_: check out Falcon, it's a repo maker [09:35] lookin [09:35] I've never used it myself but there are ubuntu repos that use it like seveas.imbrandon.com [09:35] fbond: you are right i am looking at the tour right now [09:36] fbond: they put so much time into designing that place it is not even funny === tenshu_ [n=tenshu@sgc91-1-82-231-155-79.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:39] rmjb: yep a lot of people seems to use it, im unable to find info about it tho :) [09:40] https://launchpad.net/products/falcon === tenshu_ is now known as tenshu [09:44] ok i fails to find doc or even where to download this, i will try to set one up directly (i found debian doc on it) and be back on falcon if the previous fails [09:44] rmjb: thanks for your help [09:44] np [09:50] ultra naive question: what is a .udeb ? [09:51] i will ask this question elsewhere:) [09:51] I think it's a micro deb [09:51] yes, u = [09:51] really small, used for the initial ram disk, initrd [09:51] used for the installer [09:52] ah ok thanks === Ingar [n=saltvik@ti500720a080-7728.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu === testeeer_ [n=zdra@181.253-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:53] every deb has /usr/share/doc/ dir and that's missing in udebs I think === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-042-108.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:56] stevenK: I'm taking a crack at merging adasockets === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ingar [n=saltvik@ti500720a080-7728.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu === czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-042-108.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mr_pouit [n=silk@81.56.214.84] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:24] can I have two builds running at the same time for the same pbuilder?? === cypher1 [n=cypher1@59.92.143.213] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:34] ok im have a wonderfull repository running :) [10:35] using falcon? [10:36] rmjb: yes ( the pbuilder question ) === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:37] wshew thanks... I can't wait for one build test to finish before trying another merge... 45 mins is too long [10:37] :) [10:37] yea its really nice on a dual core system :) [10:37] rmjb: nope my own. well currently i have a weird Release and no gpg key... so the apt-get produce scary message like 'this is unauthenticated... are you real real sure' :) [10:37] but yea you can have as many going at one time as you system can handle [10:38] Is there another word for synonym ? === imbrandon is kidding [10:38] my system can handle the builds... my bandwidth is the bottleneck [10:39] a synonym for synonym could be meaning :P [10:39] run a local mirror on a fileserver :) i do , speeds things up nicely === rytmisk [n=irc@81-231-105-125-no27.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:39] hrm cigarette time bbaib === mruiz [n=mruiz@pc-134-66-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-042-108.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:08] dpkg-parsechangelog: warning: no utmp entry available and LOGNAME not defined; using uid of process (1234) <- while building a package i got a lot of those, any idea on how to fix this ? [11:10] zorglu_: I get those too, I don't know how to fix but I know they can be ignored [11:11] ok i will ignore them too :) [11:12] zorglu_, you were probably building inside a pbudiler chroot? [11:12] s/pbudiler/pbuilder [11:13] sudo pbuilder build ../*.dsc [11:13] yep this is the command i use === ivoks [n=ivoks@161.53.50.54] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:14] yeah, there is probably no user in /etc/passwd for the uid that is building the package [11:14] since it is not a complete system [11:14] the environment is not a login environment [11:14] or something along those lines [11:15] ok :) so in the 'safely ignored' category :) [11:15] yup :) [11:16] you shouldn't get that when building outside of pbuilder, though [11:16] (unless your system is particularly odd) [11:16] q. how do i check if a .deb is signed ? i try to trouble shoot why my .deb are not signed ? at least when people do apt-get on it, it is mentioned as impossible to authenticate [11:16] zorglu_, are you using a third-party repo? [11:17] your .deb may be signed, but people don't have the key in their local apt setup [11:17] yep, the time to get the stuff stable enougth to attempt inclusing in ubuntu [11:17] keys for the official repos are distributed with ubuntu [11:17] people can add your key to their apt setups ... don't remember the command [11:18] man apt-key should help, if you want to go that far === geser [n=michael@dialin107130.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@161.53.50.54] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:21] yep i do something wrong there [11:21] um, you aren't really "doing something wrong" [11:21] you just haven't distributed your public key to users [11:21] either i dont export the good key or dont include it well or the .deb is not really signed [11:22] well apt-get do report "The following packages cannot be authenticated!" :) [11:22] does `apt-key list` show your key? [11:22] yep [11:22] And, is the package signature in your repo? === Pp` [n=ppjet6@lns-bzn-52-82-65-104-136.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:23] (WARNING: I have not actually set up package authentication in the repo I use) [11:23] its not weather the deb is signed it the repo its complaining about [11:23] fbond: what do you mean ? :) [11:23] I feared that :) === ivoks [n=ivoks@161.53.50.54] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:23] imbrandon: what is it complaining about then ? [11:23] imbrandon: is there a key for the repo itself? [11:24] the releases file must be signed, the debs really dont matter as far as apt is concerned [11:24] in this instance [11:24] ahh. well, there you have it. [11:24] where does that signature reside, or is it in the Release file itself? [11:24] oh the release.gpg [11:24] one sec , lemme show you mine [11:25] yes [11:25] what's the link to the build servers statuses on launchpad? I don't see it on the front page [11:25] well i dont hgave this Release with all the hash :) [11:25] i didnt found how to generate this file :) [11:25] imbrandon: is there tool to generate the Release file at the distribution level ? [11:25] rmjb: overview -> Target (feisty) -> buildds [11:25] zorglu_: why not use something like falcon, it takes care of all this for you [11:26] yes === cormil [n=cormil@d83-184-110-238.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:26] imbrandon: because i failed to find the doc or even how to download the software :) [11:26] zorglu_, I use reprepro [11:26] imbrandon: so i went for the stuff i had doc for :) [11:26] http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/extras/ [11:26] second one down [11:27] comes with pdf docs [11:27] real easy to setup and use [11:27] you can make a proper repo in 5 minutes [11:27] :) [11:27] imbrandon, I just finished the no-config-file-anymore branch ;) [11:27] nice ncurses dialogs for configuring [11:27] infact there is the upstream author zorglu_ :) [11:27] Seveas: rockin [11:28] ok :) [11:28] hmm. I'll have to check that out, too. reprepro occasionally seems a bit crude. [11:29] thanks geser [11:32] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/Release <- is there a codename for this file ? i mean it is not documented in http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto [11:32] a keyword which would help a search ? [11:34] doko i have send a mail to you at ubuntu ... [11:34] *i have sent [11:39] apt-ftparchive is the steped i missed :) [11:40] Morning, LaserJock. [11:40] hi Fujitsu [11:40] hello there, I'm looking for automake/libtool help... any ideas where I can find a dedicated IRC channel ? [11:41] is it general help or help on a specific program? [11:42] general help [11:42] ..but it's for my specific program :-) [11:42] hey Fujitsu haven't seen you around for a while [11:42] hi rmjb [11:43] doomsday-: tried file:///usr/share/doc/libtool-doc/libtool.html from libtool-doc package? [11:43] I'm around 0300-0900 UTC on weekdays, and all the time on weekends, so that would explain it. === ehazlett [n=ehazlett@adsl-68-249-103-255.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:43] I've read whole manual from gnu.org and redhat website [11:44] hmm [11:45] there's probably a different channel for each version :) [11:45] well I'm not on as often as you guys... so that would explain it more :) [11:46] ^^ === jonh_wendell [n=wendell@40-88-199-200.vcnet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === muzzol [n=muzzol@62-43-64-39.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:50] well, I'm a bit confused with use of shared libraries with libtool. I have a binary and some plugins. These plugins are only loaded dynamically after my binary is launched. And then, I only need *.so files from plugins. I'm seeking for a way to not build, or at least, not install *.a and *.la files. [11:55] no autotools expert around? :p === hunter [n=Guest145@cpe-066-057-015-200.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:08] doomsday-: I've seent that done by just letting autotools do its magic and then removing the .a and .la files afterwards. [12:09] :'( [12:09] doomsday-: Heh.. Otherwise try #workingset [12:10] doomsday-: Sorry. Make that ##workingset [12:10] thanks ;) [12:11] I think that channel name qualifies as one of the least obvious channel names ever. [12:12] A google search for "autotools irc workingset" doesn't even give any references to it on the first page.