[12:13] <NineTeen67Comet> g'day all . does anyone have the default contents of /etc/apache2/sites-enable handy? I seemed to have tossed the one that I needed .. 000 something I think .. 
[12:19] <NineTeen67Comet> P.S. What is a suggested FTP server app to run to allow users to their www directories .. Normally from my experience it was very hard to give ftp users access to anyplace but their home directory OR their web directory .. (could the follow simlinks?) .. 
[01:19] <storkme> how does one forcibly remove a package
[01:21] <foo> apt-get remove <package> doesn't work?
[01:24] <storkme> nevermind, got it
[01:24] <storkme> had to remove the init script, reboot, purge, and reinstall
[01:25] <storkme> g'nightr
[01:25] <foo> ah
[08:50] <dsdg> halo, anyone running apache2 in ubuntu dapper?
[08:51] <dsdg> i have a problem where it's not including modules
[08:51] <dsdg> eventhough they are in the mods-enabled directory (symlinked)
[08:53] <dsdg> funny thing is mod include isnt in the modules list..
[08:54] <dsdg> so how will that include statement in the apache.conf even work :(
[09:15] <infinity2> dsdg: mod_include has nothing to do with includes in the conffile.
[09:15] <infinity2> dsdg: It's for shtml includes.
[09:31] <dsdg> hey infinity2 i see that mod_auth_mysql is wacked man! different config values...
[09:32] <dsdg> i have added _ to some of the values and then it works...struggeling to find the correct values here
[09:32] <dsdg> stooopid devs
[09:55] <infinity> stooopid devs?
[09:56] <infinity> Would it help you be a bit more polite if I pointed out how many times my name appears in the apache2 changelog?
[09:56] <infinity> Though mod_auth_mysql is something I generally consider worthless.
[09:59] <foo> dsdg: eh, I have to agree. Again, chill. Unless you have the time to contribute...
[10:00] <foo> ah
[10:57] <dsdg> my point is that standardization wont hurt, and again, how must i know to add _ between the values, now im stuck with this option, Auth_MySQL_UserTable - i see the web refers to this Auth_MySQL_Password_Table - but that wont work as well, so im stuck again...
[10:58] <dsdg> change Auth_MySQL_Password_Table to Auth_MySQL_UserTable
[10:58] <dsdg> Invalid command 'Auth_MySQL_UserTable', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration
[10:59] <dsdg> must i now guess these values? 
[11:01] <dsdg> and mod_auth_mysql is great, i am trying to use it with webdav...runnign a whole projects server of dav, and putting the auth in a db makes perfect sense, but try now to get it to work...good luck!
[11:01] <infinity> I tend to use mod_auth_pam, then hand off authentication to PAM modules.
[11:02] <infinity> (Where you could still use MySQL, if you wanted to, I suppose)
[11:02] <dsdg> it's nice, cause i put my mail, ftp, apache all auth in mysql,
[11:03] <dsdg> but damn man, i whish i could just do it, instead of having to search the net for values that suppose to be standard,
[11:03] <dsdg> in gentoo those values dont even have _ in them,
[11:03] <dsdg> and thats how it reflects on the sourceforge.net page,
[11:04] <dsdg> anyways :) im just bitching becuase i can :)
[12:36] <infinity> dsdg: Right, if you're authenticating multiple sources against MySQL like that, that's why it would make more sense to use PAM.
[12:36] <infinity> dsdg: Cause they should all be able to use PAM auth, then you have a uniform backend.
[01:07] <spike> infinity: excuse me, I dont really understand your last comment, would you mind argumenting? I fail to see how postfix, vsftpd, apache all using some mod_mysql and authing against it isnt a "uniform backend"
[01:08] <spike> I can see how one could use pam for all those services, and if necessary, add libpam-mysql to the equation, but I fail to see how that would be better
[01:10] <spike> in principles I can see the difference as in: services -> pam -> mysql Vs  some services -> pam -> xyz + other services -> mysql
[01:10] <spike> but in practise judging latter inferior, uhm, not sure about that
[01:11] <infinity> Different MySQL auth stuff can sometimes want different table layouts, etc.  Using PAM allows for uniformity.
[01:12] <infinity> It's also just a bit more elegant, IMO.  And means that you don't need every service to have a MySQL plugin of some sort.
[01:15] <spike> both good points, fair enough, no need to shrug really
[02:38] <shawarma> Not really on-topic, but this is probably the place most likely to have someone who will answer positively: Does anyone happen to have either an ia64 or sparc ubuntu installation that a) they'd run a tiny experiment for me on or b) lend me access to for a little while?
[05:15] <storkme> what's the best way to install LAMP on a working 6.06 ubuntu server installation ?
[07:38] <fabbione> shawarma: i have both ia64 and sparc...
[07:39] <fabbione> shawarma: send me a mail with details of what you need.. they are both headless machines.. so no X stuff...
[07:45] <thom> storkmee: sudo tasksel and choose LAMP
[07:50] <shawarma> fabbione: Rock'n'roll. Thanks!
[07:52] <fabbione> shawarma: also.. i won't look at it today or tomorrow.. it's monday busines
[07:52] <fabbione> +s
[07:54] <fabbione> shawarma: and for access you need to ship at least another 5lt of beer :)
[07:54] <fabbione> last time was good.. this time needs to be excellent ;)
[07:56] <shawarma> Heh... If we manage to both go to a UDS at some point I'll be sure to pay my dues. :-)
[07:56] <fabbione> shawarma: eheh ok
[07:57] <fabbione> i am off...
[08:19] <storkmee> i have no tasksel command
[08:20] <thom> sudo aptitude install "~tLAMP" would also work
[08:24] <storkmee> i did it manually anyway :p