=== _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-024-113.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [i=user@69-87-139-115.async.iserv.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === superstoned_ [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === claydoh [n=claydoh@66.252.48.95] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pinheiro [n=pinheiro@bl4-20-211.dsl.telepac.pt] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@89.242.223.185] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66.252.48.95] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.178.61] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66.252.48.95] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=vlos@206.248.107.156] has joined #kubuntu-devel === danimo [n=danimo@kde/danimo] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:41] heya! [03:41] imbrandon: hey, are you up dude? [03:41] yup [03:42] wasup? [03:42] imbrandon: did you read my blog? [03:42] not in a little bit [03:42] imbrandon: about the password lineedit? [03:42] nope got a direct link>? ( i'm at work ) [03:42] imbrandon: oh, sure [03:42] imbrandon: how do I rebuild a package btw? [03:43] imbrandon: dpkg-buildpackage odesn't work [03:43] apt-get source -b [03:43] imbrandon: I fetched and patched those [03:43] ah, -b! [03:44] ahh then just "debuild" if you get errors then "apt-get build-dep " first [03:44] /usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage: 212: debian/rules: Permission denied [03:44] if you have a patched version [03:44] http://daniel.molkentin.de/blog/index.php?/archives/59-Password-shadowing-Pimp-My-Plastique.html [03:44] add sudo [03:44] imbrandon: isn't there fakeroot for that? [03:46] sure if the file perms are set correctly on the source [03:46] you probablty "sudo apt-get source blah" instaead of "apt-get source blah" [03:47] thus the need for it later also [03:47] imbrandon: seems like there is no rules directory [03:47] rules isnt a directory [03:47] its a file in the debian/ dir [03:47] yeah [03:47] sorry [03:47] :) [03:47] it's there [03:48] and I can access it as user [03:48] right but can you execute it as a user [03:48] its a makefile [03:48] ah [03:49] imbrandon: yes, make -f debian/rules works [03:49] hmm, but returns with an error [03:49] humm, you got me then [03:49] nice post, is that patch for the kde3 version >? [03:49] imbrandon: damn [03:49] imbrandon: nope, but i just created one :) [03:50] imbrandon: I want to test it on the stable binaries before pushing it into the branch [03:50] imbrandon: it will make kdm look _a lot_ nicer [03:50] imbrandon: plus i patched it into kstyle, so all KDE styles can profit from it [03:50] cool [03:50] imbrandon: but it's all no help if I cannot build the damn thing [03:51] imbrandon: I could send you the patch of course [03:51] imbrandon: if that is of any use [03:51] :) [03:51] well you should be able to build just fine with sudo, but how ever you want to do it :) [03:51] i can build it in a clean pbuilder, erm no i cant not for another ~3 hours [03:51] heh [03:52] imbrandon: well, after I start the build, I'll go to sleep anyway [03:52] pbuilder, yeah right [03:52] ( some reason i cant ssh into my build box atm ) [03:52] I remember that I used pbuilder the last time [03:53] yea , thats rthe best way [03:53] the* [03:53] imbrandon: I just deleted the kdelibs-3.5.5 dir and will unpack it from source [03:54] imbrandon: can I then just move the patch into the patch dir and rebuild? [03:54] yup [03:54] cool, trying that now [03:54] brb one sec, gonna grab a cup of coffee [03:58] re [03:59] imbrandon: how do I build with pbuilder? [03:59] "pbuilder build file.dsc" [03:59] imbrandon: so far I untarred the orig sources and applied the patches [03:59] ahh ok [03:59] well [03:59] applied them how, did you run "debuild -S -sa" afterwords [03:59] ? [03:59] imbrandon: don't I have to add my patch to the debian patches first? [04:00] yes well [04:00] ok here is what you do from start to finish [04:00] imbrandon: I just added a kubuntu_63_password_noasterisk.diff to the patches dir [04:00] apt-get source === danimo listens up [04:00] cd [04:00] check [04:00] check [04:00] add the diff to debian/patches [04:01] imbrandon: first apply the patch I assume? [04:01] no [04:01] imbrandon: the debian diff, that is [04:01] no [04:01] just add it to the directory [04:01] dont applie it [04:01] but the patches dir does not exists before [04:01] err apply it [04:01] imbrandon: I didn't apply the patch itself [04:01] but I had to apply kdelibs_3.5.5-0ubuntu3.diff.gz [04:02] err no apt-get source should have done that for you [04:02] and there is a patches dir in kdelibs [04:02] thats what i'm saying i think you tried to untar something by hand [04:02] imbrandon: maybe [04:02] and you shouldent do that [04:02] imbrandon: I deleted the source dir [04:02] but anyway [04:02] ok here get your diff and put it somewhere safe [04:03] applying the diff manually should get me there, too, right? [04:03] then rm -rf what you have already done and make a new working temp dir we can work in thats empty [04:03] no [04:03] ah [04:03] it qwill mess the build system up [04:03] ok so you have the diff in like ~/ [04:03] and make a ~/working [04:04] that is empty [04:04] ok [04:04] cd ~/working [04:04] apt-get source kdelibs [04:04] yes, I have done that just now [04:04] it should apply the diff.gz and unzip the source dir for you [04:04] so DONT do that manualy [04:04] now it applies the diffs automatically [04:04] ok [04:04] right [04:04] works now [04:05] ok so now cd to the unpacked dir it made [04:05] and add your diff to the debian/patches [04:05] done [04:05] then run "debuild -S -sa -us -uc" it will make a new *.dsc for you [04:05] once thats done ( only takes a few seconds ) [04:05] lemme know [04:06] ok [04:06] ok now "cd .." [04:06] wait, it's still working [04:06] ahh ok [04:07] imbrandon: still creating the diff [04:07] yea , on large packages it can take like 30 to 45 seconds or so [04:07] depends on the speed of you comp [04:07] imbrandon: I am beyond that. but then again it's building on a sincle core centrino [04:08] ahh :) yea give it a some extra time :) [04:08] single even [04:08] dpkg-source: warning: file debian/patches/kubuntu_48_cups12_cupsdconf.diff has no final newline (either original or modified version) [04:09] heh [04:09] no biggie [04:09] right [04:09] just wondering why this is actually worth a warning [04:09] ok, worked [04:09] debian packageing is anail at times :) [04:09] imbrandon: done [04:09] ok now [04:09] cd .. [04:09] done [04:09] then "pbuilder build the_new_.dsc" [04:10] pbuilder kdelibs*..dsc [04:10] pbuilder build ...... but yea [04:10] imbrandon: permission denied [04:10] sudo pbuilder build .... [04:10] imbrandon: sude doesn't work either [04:11] E: failed to find /var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz, have you done to create your base tarball yet? [04:11] ahhh yes you need to run pbuilder create if you havent before [04:11] ok [04:11] when thats done then do it again [04:11] ( just the last part ) [04:12] why do I expect another heap of wasted disk space after that? [04:12] :\ [04:12] nah only like 150mb [04:12] or so [04:12] I only have like 870MB spare [04:12] imbrandon: but I'm glad my provider upgraded me to 3MBit/s :) [04:12] heh you can delete it once your done ( jusy rm /var/pbuilder/base.tgz [04:12] ) [04:13] so the packages come here quickly [04:13] :) [04:13] imbrandon: thanks for the help man [04:13] imbrandon: I think I get along from here [04:13] actually I should really go to bed now [04:13] it's past 4 am here [04:13] np [04:13] :) [04:14] rember too it will put the resulting *.deb files in /var/pbuilder/result/ [04:14] alot of people forget that [04:14] but anyhow, sleep well [04:15] well, I'll wait until I can start the process [04:15] but thanks for the hint [04:25] -> extracting base tarball [/var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz] [04:25] -> creating local configuration [04:25] hostname: Unknown host [04:25] imbrandon: any idea what that means? [04:31] no idea [04:31] it can probably be safely ignored [04:31] never seen it before though === nuku [n=j@unaffiliated/nuku] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:37] imbrandon: it breaks afterwards === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:39] imbrandon: I went with dpkg-buildpackage, which seems to work === hunger_ [n=tobias@p54A705A0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken [n=manchick@c-76-16-240-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:09] Hey, how goes it? [05:10] I'm looking for some small tasks that need doing. [05:10] I'm not looking to become the world's greatest contributor, but I'm interested in helping as much as I can. [05:10] how come lsb-release shows Ubuntu and not Kubuntu [05:10] wasabi manchicken ! [05:11] Not much homie. [05:12] i was in tinley all day for my nephews bday party..im exhausted [05:12] Fun. [05:13] I tossed kubuntu on my other box today. [05:13] are you up on Debian packaging at all? I know there are a bunch of merges yet to be done [05:13] yay kubuntu [05:13] im gonna install it on a few machines tomorrow if possible [05:14] as for the coding stuff that needs to be done, probably get in touch with Riddell (who is +01:00 i believe) [05:17] I just want a few things to look into. [05:19] Are you switching to fawn? [05:22] Or is it Feisty? [05:24] feisty [05:24] The Feisty Fawn to be exact [05:25] 7.04, which is due 04=April and the 7=2007 [05:25] To upgrade, do you just change edgy to fawn in sources.list? [05:26] manchicken: feisty(not fawn), the adjective is generally what is used [05:26] hi nixternal [05:27] Righto. [05:27] manchicken: i assume you know the risks that are associated w/ running a dev. release... [05:27] hiya abattoir [05:27] abattoir: Yup. [05:27] ok then :) [05:28] I'm hoping I can help without moving in that direction. [05:28] Or I could just dual-boot. [05:28] abattoir: this guy is part of a team who wrote their own file system in a day at someones house ;) nerds i tell ya === manchicken wasn't part of that team... [05:28] haha === abattoir wonders which FS [05:28] well, it was the Chicago GLUG === manchicken has contributed to kopete though. [05:29] Yeah, it was. [05:29] i quit using Kopete for Bitlbee [05:29] That's unfortunate ;) [05:29] heh [05:29] so i ahve seen...there is a new theme on kde-look that is pretty sharp [05:30] I contributed a VERY little bit to gaim and a small bug-fix to qt4. [05:30] im waiting for my qt4 book now [05:30] I'm just looking for something very small to do. [05:30] i will take my new python book to bed tonight and start reading [05:30] otherwise i will show up to a Chicago GLUG event and look stupid..which i am sure will happen anyways [05:31] heh === manchicken doesn't do python much. [05:31] i gotta get back into coding..i quit coding totally in 1998 pretty much..i did some vb and very little c++ for control automation system [05:31] I prefer Perl above all of the procedural scripting languages. [05:32] Perl-Qt is letting me down though :( [05:32] It doesn't have all of the network facilities implemented. [05:32] shoot, i have a hard enough time working some stupid sed scripts [05:32] Wuss ;) [05:33] heh [05:33] hehe [05:33] Either way, your contribution of CDs has been quite influential. [05:33] why thank you [05:33] No, thank you. [05:33] ^_^ [05:33] i have some more to give out tomorrow..hopefully installing some Kubuntu [05:33] My wife is digging Kubuntu over SuSE. I'm glad. [05:33] last event I installed Kubuntu on some old ladies computer [05:34] I didn't want to have to manually maintain a SuSE build when they go into GPL3 violation. [05:34] i ta a linux class, and they are all in their 50's and up [05:34] I honestly think Kubuntu is to a point where folks could just install it and go. [05:34] i have yet to run into a problem with it [05:34] I had the machine completely rebuilt after 1.5 hours. [05:35] except last night, some guy had a system with a kubuntu dvd and it didn't install the ati drivers correctly [05:35] It only took that long because I had to manage config changes with the backups. [05:35] so i did the no-no and set him up with binaries [05:35] I won't touch the proprietary drivers. [05:37] ah well..i need to crash..got the lug event at CoD tomorrow early..plus im exhausted [05:37] What now? [05:37] There's an event tomorrow? [05:37] so keep an eye out for Riddell, Lure, tonio, Toma, seele, seele, since they are all KDE people..maybe they can hook you up [05:37] ya [05:37] 10am to 4pm - CoD SRC 1544 [05:38] What is that? [05:38] (nobody tells me this stuff) [05:39] College of DuPage LUG, Linux Fest [05:39] Ah. Fun. [05:40] My wife's downstate tomorrow. [05:40] I'll probably spend the whole afternoon at GameCrazy. [05:40] heh [05:41] hehe === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-024-113.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:43] You'd think that with all of the free software projects out there that there'd be something that didn't require complex build and runtime environments. [05:47] nixternal: goto bed [05:47] :) [05:48] ( and you forgot me in your list homie, /me feels leftout ) just kidding [05:50] imbrandon: Hey, are you on the kopete team? [05:50] I know I've seen you somewhere else before. [05:50] he's on the blame list, yes. [05:50] Fun. [05:50] i'm a kubuntu core dev ( i mostly mess with konversation , amarok and mythtv but i touch alot of stuff ) [05:50] hehe [05:51] imbrandon: I'm looking to get into kubuntu development. [05:51] yea "the blame list" [05:51] manchicken: rockin [05:51] imbrandon: Hopefully something that doesn't require some insanely complicated build environment. [05:51] IIRC, you helped point me towards the SMS port for kopete4 [05:51] heh [05:51] hahaha kde and != insane build environment in the same sentance [05:51] That was a blur. [05:51] possibly heh [05:52] Well, the tricky part of kopete development is that I had to set up qt4, dbus, and kde4. [05:52] thats easy in edgy and feisty now :L) [05:52] s/L// [05:52] It took me longer to set up the build environment than it did to implement my meta-contact addition and SMS port. [05:52] heh yea [05:53] Well, and I couldn't really use my additions either. [05:53] setting up my dev machines often takes me days to get all the tweaking right on a freash build [05:53] fresh* [05:53] It'd be nice to actually get to add my itch-scratching changes into a form I can use daily. [05:53] but the good part it it only has to be done once :) [05:54] sure [05:54] So is there any package that needs a hand that you are aware of that would meet my criteria? [05:54] hrm for the moment merges are toping the list of "needs to be done" and its good experince [05:54] I can do merges. [05:54] and often not terribly hard [05:55] Hey, I asked to help, I didn't ask to be a rock-star ^_^ [05:55] manchicken: you know where the merges page is ? [05:55] heh [05:55] Is it in the topic? [05:55] yup, i would grab something from the universe list that tickles you and try ti out [05:56] me and crimsun and the others in #ubuntu-motu and here will be glad to help/point you in the right directions' [05:56] I would like to help with main as much as possible. [05:56] It seems like there's a lot of support in universe. [05:56] honestly both sides need love in the kde house [05:56] Then I'll see if there's a KDE thing that looks like fun. [05:57] I'm going to stick to KDE stuff. [05:57] Since I'm familiar with the guts. [05:57] but yea it was only a sugestion feel free to grab a main package too, just you have to be more carefull with those that no one else is working on it already [05:58] smoke time bbiab === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:38] Okay, I can't find any mergest to do. [06:38] merges* [06:40] manchicken: oh? merge-o-matic seems to be down, too [06:41] Well, I've got merge-o-matic, but everything's taken. [06:41] Hobbsee!!!!! [06:41] hey Jucato! [06:41] manchicken: yes, seems to be broken. is superkaramba/karamba up to date? [06:42] I'm just looking for a bunch of small tasks to satisfy my desire for application of ADD in programming form. [06:42] It's in kdeutils, right? [06:42] tonio@ubuntu.com did that merge, it's green. [06:43] oh right, so it is the latest, or needs more merging? [06:44] If green means up to date, then it's latest. [06:44] it's a measure of importance on mom - if it's the latest, it's not there [06:45] Ah. [06:45] So should I email tonio before trying to do anything on it? [06:46] he's not here - just do it [06:47] Is there an RTFM for how merges are done? [06:48] And are these against the edgy or feisty repo? [06:48] feisty [06:48] (I'm guessing we're merging the core project latest stable with the repo) [06:48] there's the REPORT there === Hobbsee tries to decipher that [06:49] we're merging debian sid with the development version of ubuntu, ie feisty [06:49] Ah. [06:49] So I just grab the source deb and spend some quality time in ediff? [06:49] debs* === Hobbsee cant see superkaramba on that list [06:51] ah, no, it's not in kdeutils - its' a separate package [06:51] oh wait, it's there too? [06:51] Is feisty too terribly unstable, or should I just work against feisty independently? [06:51] you need to work on feisty, not edgy, all the time anyway [06:51] however, you dont exactly need to run it to build things for it [06:52] Well I need a stable environment. [06:52] check out !pbuilder for how to do that [06:52] Is feisty stable enough for regular use? [06:52] run a feisty pbuilder for edgy [06:52] not really [06:52] well ,i found it wouldnt boot on tuesday, while i was away [06:52] Hmm... [06:52] How would you recommend I do this then? [06:52] you want to run a pbuilder [06:53] xen? [06:53] !pbuilder [06:53] pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto [06:53] Interesting. [06:53] vmware server also seems to run nicely, if you wanted to use the whole environment [06:53] very - you can have multiple ones :) [06:53] I'd prefer not to run vmware if I can get away with it. [06:53] just use a pbuilder then [06:53] or dual boot === Hobbsee tripple boots, incidently === manchicken installs pbuilder. [06:55] :) [06:55] What is pbuilder then? [06:55] Ooh, jails like? [06:55] That's neat. [06:56] yep [06:56] So it really is jails-like? [06:56] So I could totally make a jail for kde4, too? [06:56] yeah, it's a full system [06:57] ah....yeah, i guess...ish [06:57] That's so insanely cool. [06:57] you have to add extra bits to be able to run GUI programs out of the chroot though [06:58] Does that wiki cover it? [06:58] not currently === Hobbsee pokes nixternal to rectify that [06:59] He went to bed. [06:59] he'll see it when he wakes up :) [06:59] Groovy. [06:59] what type of things can you program? [06:59] Anything given enough time. [07:00] I've done GUI stuff, web stuff, and a little bit of elisp before. [07:00] But I'm willing to learn ^_^ [07:00] I just need an excuse. === Hobbsee pokes Riddell [07:00] I've contributed to Kopete. === Hobbsee bets there are some specs that you could implement, if you wanted [07:01] ooh, which bit? [07:01] I did the kde4 port for their SMS plugin. === Hobbsee notes you could fix a pet peeve of hers [07:01] who keeps beeping me? ;) [07:01] nice! === Hobbsee attacks nixternal with her Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to answer his question [07:01] I don't know if it works (I don't have any SMS accounts) but it compiled and linked and didn't crash ^_^ [07:01] i forgot to turn the speakers off, i heard BEEP, BEEP, BEEP [07:01] heh [07:01] well, there are a couple dozen debdiffs that keep beeping nixternal [07:02] heh [07:02] oooh [07:02] oh wait, are those the couple dozen that I had to review? ;) [07:02] hahaha [07:02]