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| rmjb | infinity: could not merge xbvl, sorry | 12:30 |
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| jdong | update-alternatives: unable to make /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/libjavaplugin.so.dpkg-tmp a symlink to /etc/alternatives/iceweasel-javaplugin.so: No such file or directory | 12:58 |
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| jdong | ahem, looks like our java stuff didn't merge out iceweasel? | 12:59 |
| _ion | Either wait for the package to be fixed, or mkdir -p /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins | 12:59 |
| _ion | AFAIR there's already a bug report. | 12:59 |
| _ion | I don't think the package making a symlink for iceweasel matters much. | 01:00 |
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| cjwatson | mdke,somerville32: I'm happy to apply the policy relatively leniently to documentation | 01:38 |
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| somerville32 | cjwatson: In Xubuntu 6.10, the Firefox welcome/about page says 6.06. It causes a lot of confusion for users. | 01:40 |
| somerville32 | Some people repeatedly try to reinstall Ubuntu | 01:40 |
| somerville32 | *Xubuntu | 01:40 |
| mariano | in gnome's bugzilla there are a few crashes with stack traces looking like the one on <http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384220>: is edgy's dl having issues with gconv? | 01:41 |
| Ubugtu | Gnome bug 384220 in general "crash in Terminal: Crashes when launched fr..." [Critical,Unconfirmed] | 01:41 |
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| mariano | heh | 01:42 |
| cjwatson | somerville32: (now is not a good time to bother trying to persuade me; I've just got home from a party and am about to go to bed) | 01:42 |
| somerville32 | cjwatson: Alrighty :) Should I send you an e-mail? | 01:42 |
| cjwatson | sure | 01:43 |
| somerville32 | Sweet dreams :] | 01:43 |
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| jldugger | quick question about ubuntu-desktop: how is it decided whether a package should be a depenency vs a recommendation? | 01:52 |
| jdub | jldugger: whine volume | 01:52 |
| jdub | ;-) | 01:52 |
| jldugger | doh | 01:53 |
| === jldugger submits 1 whine on behalf of a KSU LUG'er reguarding totem-mozilla | ||
| jldugger | should probably be recommends instead of depends, assuming install recommends by default etc works | 01:54 |
| jdub | why so? | 01:54 |
| jldugger | the use case I've heard described is replacing totem-mozilla with mplayer plugins | 01:55 |
| crimsun | couldn't work currently, as mplayer and its plugin package are both in multiverse | 01:56 |
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| Burgundavia | jldugger: tbh, I have found totem in edgy and feisty to play more than the mplayer one | 01:58 |
| jldugger | tbh? | 01:59 |
| Burgundavia | to be honest | 01:59 |
| _ion | I'm using the mediaplayerconnectivity extension for firefox. | 01:59 |
| jldugger | actually, ive had the best results recently with vlc | 01:59 |
| crimsun | heh, you can't be using edgy's vlc, then. | 02:00 |
| jldugger | in the past it really was quite awful, but recently it started displaying more stuff and working faster with MKV | 02:00 |
| jldugger | totem is quite awful with mkvs | 02:00 |
| jldugger | so what section is debian's mplayer in? | 02:01 |
| Burgundavia | jldugger: gstreamer and totem is where upstream is at, so that is where we are going | 02:01 |
| jldugger | Burgundavia, well, go where you need to, but I'll go where the frame rates are ;) | 02:01 |
| crimsun | (main) | 02:01 |
| jldugger | anyways, his main complaint was that he couldn't remove totem-mozilla without removing ubuntu-desktop | 02:03 |
| jldugger | i thought there was a spec about recommendsSupport that addressed that concept, but it doesn't look like much of anything is recommended in edgy | 02:03 |
| Burgundavia | jldugger: a bunch of stuff is recommended | 02:06 |
| jldugger | crimsun, would anything even change if whatever effort nessecary was taken to move mplayer to universe? | 02:06 |
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| jldugger | compared to the amount with explicit depends, it seems quite small. I was just curious how the current division was established, so if my friends complain about such things in the future, I'd be that much more ready to help them | 02:12 |
| jdong | is there any known issue with feisty's ssh client? | 02:12 |
| jdong | it seems to hang when I try to connect | 02:12 |
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| crimsun | jldugger: no | 02:15 |
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| SEJeff | ajmitch: ping | 02:17 |
| crimsun | SEJeff: he's away for 2 more days. | 02:17 |
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| SEJeff | Oh ok thanks | 02:18 |
| jdong | debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST sent | 02:18 |
| jdong | debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received | 02:18 |
| jdong | hmm | 02:18 |
| jdong | anyone know what it means is SSH hangs after those two messages? | 02:18 |
| SEJeff | Would you happen to know if virt-manager is going to be packaged and uploaded for feisty? | 02:18 |
| SEJeff | Or should I work on it? | 02:18 |
| crimsun | I don't. | 02:18 |
| SEJeff | jdong do you have access to the ssh host via other means? | 02:19 |
| jdong | does feisty ssh work for you guys then? | 02:19 |
| jdong | SEJeff: yeah | 02:19 |
| jdong | SEJeff: though I don't think the host is to blame | 02:19 |
| jdong | edgy ssh'es just fine | 02:19 |
| jdong | and feisty is failing to ssh to any of my hosts | 02:19 |
| jdong | running a whole variety of OS'es | 02:19 |
| SEJeff | From the server try: sshd -d -f /etc/sshd/sshd_config -p 10999 | 02:20 |
| SEJeff | From the host do ssh -v user@foo -p 10999 | 02:20 |
| jdong | aha, figured it out | 02:20 |
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| jdong | ssh-agent/seahorse-daemon was causing it | 02:21 |
| jdong | though I don't know why it would | 02:21 |
| SEJeff | jdong: Kill ssh-agent and just use seahorse-daemon | 02:21 |
| SEJeff | weird | 02:21 |
| jdong | SEJeff: newer seahorse-daemon have a ssh-agent built in, don't they? | 02:21 |
| jdong | I didn't start ssh-agent myself | 02:21 |
| SEJeff | jdong: You are right, I thought you meant you had them both open. | 02:22 |
| jdong | nope | 02:22 |
| jdong | somehow seahorse in feisty is causing this | 02:22 |
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| bluefoxicy | kylem: What Pentium-M model were you referring to? | 03:31 |
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| bluefoxicy | mdz: Did you mention something about users being able to rebuild their own repos earlier? | 03:52 |
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| Burgundavia | fabbione: ping | 04:04 |
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| nkassi | #debian | 05:30 |
| nkassi | sorry | 05:30 |
| somerville32 | Can someone review? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportXJump | 05:32 |
| _ion | xjump rules. | 05:35 |
| _ion | Bug 44883, btw. | 05:36 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 44883 in xjump "Add ion.xpm.gz to the package" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/44883 | 05:36 |
| somerville32 | hehe :] | 05:36 |
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| bluefoxicy | is it every time gconfd gets upgraded, or every time I crash without logging out of GNOME that I lose all my settings? | 07:13 |
| bluefoxicy | I plugged in an iPod, it decided to instantly take me to my BIOS post | 07:14 |
| bluefoxicy | when I get back to my desktop, xchat-gnme has forgotten my color scheme and welcomes me to xchat-gnome; Nautilus needs its settings readjusted; my theme needs to be set again; rhythmbox thinks it's being run for the first time; and gnome-terminal's settings are factory. | 07:14 |
| bluefoxicy | I also recently upgraded gconfd | 07:15 |
| fabbione | Burgundavia: pong | 07:15 |
| Burgundavia | fabbione: the logging bot is toast | 07:15 |
| bluefoxicy | anyway I'm going to sleep, only slightly annoyed. | 07:15 |
| fabbione | Burgundavia: very informative as usual.. what is toast? | 07:16 |
| somerville32 | fabbione, Burgundavia: doh, I was going to ask fabbione to add the logging bot to #xubuntu* | 07:16 |
| Burgundavia | fabbione: the logging bot in -meeting appears to not be logging | 07:16 |
| Burgundavia | haven't tested other channels | 07:17 |
| fabbione | Burgundavia: what date and time? | 07:18 |
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| Burgundavia | fabbione: hmm, appears to be working again | 07:20 |
| Burgundavia | sorry for the false alarm | 07:20 |
| fabbione | Burgundavia: the logs are sent async to the servers every hour | 07:20 |
| fabbione | -current that is | 07:20 |
| fabbione | i can't send them realtime | 07:20 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 07:20 |
| Burgundavia | just the interval was more than that this time | 07:21 |
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| fabbione | IIRC the scripts start at around *:20 of each hour and they finish around :40 | 07:21 |
| fabbione | Burgundavia: that might happen if connection to the DC is interrupted. | 07:21 |
| fabbione | Burgundavia: nothing i can do about it | 07:21 |
| fabbione | they don't allow me to run the bot at the DC | 07:21 |
| Burgundavia | ah, ok | 07:21 |
| fabbione | somerville32: if you want logs on channels either mail me or open a bug in LP and make sure it's assigned to me | 07:22 |
| Hobbsee | fabbione: toast is a food that you eat :P | 07:26 |
| Burgundavia | Hobbsee: sassy aussie :) | 07:26 |
| Hobbsee | Burgundavia: as always :) | 07:27 |
| _ion | Is it just me, or did ubuntu-devel{,-discuss} collectively die after the split and addition of moderation? | 07:28 |
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| Burgundavia | weekend as well | 07:29 |
| _ion | Hm, good point. :-) | 07:30 |
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| Fujitsu | _ion: Is it a bad thing that they died? Considering what was on -devel before, it's quite a relief. | 07:59 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: ++ | 07:59 |
| === Hobbsee wonders if that's only open to core-dev, or just dev | ||
| somerville32 | I tried to send in a MIR review request and my message got modded | 07:59 |
| somerville32 | :( | 07:59 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee: That didn't make any sense. | 08:01 |
| crimsun | she's agreeing that the S:N is far preferable. | 08:01 |
| Hobbsee | hrm, okay | 08:01 |
| Hobbsee | exactly | 08:01 |
| Burgundavia | Hobbsee: all dev, motu and dev | 08:01 |
| Hobbsee | Burgundavia: cool | 08:02 |
| Burgundavia | plus selected others | 08:02 |
| Burgundavia | now, everybody will still be able to join, just only certain people will be able to post, others will go through moderation | 08:02 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 08:02 |
| LaserJock | who is doing the moderation? | 08:02 |
| === somerville32 wants to become a selected other. | ||
| Burgundavia | LaserJock: a select group, unknown composition | 08:03 |
| LaserJock | somerville32: you could still post it to ubuntu-devel-discuss I suppose | 08:03 |
| Burgundavia | likely I will be roped into it, I seem to moderate the world | 08:03 |
| LaserJock | but I guess waiting for mods would be best | 08:03 |
| somerville32 | I've been a happy subscriber to ubuntu-devel for awhile now | 08:05 |
| somerville32 | Having my posts modded is evil | 08:06 |
| somerville32 | :( | 08:06 |
| LaserJock | why? | 08:07 |
| LaserJock | it's just a little bit longer to wait, it's not anything that has to be done within 24hrs | 08:08 |
| Fujitsu | `little bit'? | 08:08 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 08:08 |
| LaserJock | in the whole scheme of things it's really not that long | 08:09 |
| infinity | somerville32: MIR reviews aren't meant to go to -devel, since the list doesn't do the reviews. | 08:13 |
| infinity | somerville32: This is precisely why the list is modded now. People just seem to send stuff to -devel when they can't be bothered to figure out who they really should be bugging. | 08:14 |
| somerville32 | infinity: The MIR reqs page says that sending to -devel is in the workflow. | 08:14 |
| infinity | Seriously? | 08:14 |
| infinity | If that was the workflow, we'd be flooded. | 08:15 |
| somerville32 | I wouldn't have sent it otherwise. | 08:15 |
| somerville32 | I thought it was weird myself | 08:15 |
| LaserJock | somerville32: where did you read that? | 08:16 |
| somerville32 | I'll go find it | 08:16 |
| === somerville32 will feel really stupid if I misread it. | ||
| infinity | Oh, "hold any necessary discussion on -devel" | 08:16 |
| infinity | That would apply if it's a contentious issue. | 08:16 |
| infinity | Note the word "necessary". | 08:16 |
| somerville32 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionRequirements | 08:17 |
| somerville32 | "The request and the link to the report are sent to [MAILTO] ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com." | 08:17 |
| somerville32 | Note the lack of the word "necessary" :P | 08:17 |
| infinity | I'm on a different page. ;) | 08:17 |
| somerville32 | :) | 08:17 |
| infinity | Alright, you're off the hook. | 08:18 |
| infinity | Since that page was last edited by Kamion, I'll let it slide as accepted procedure. :) | 08:18 |
| infinity | Though it clearly doesn't actually happen that way much. | 08:19 |
| infinity | Then again, it's rare for a non-core-dev to try to get something in main in the first place. | 08:19 |
| infinity | (Why are you doing so?) | 08:19 |
| somerville32 | I'm an Xubuntu developer | 08:19 |
| somerville32 | And hopefully I will be a core-dev someday ;] | 08:20 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I gotta write up some too | 08:22 |
| somerville32 | Anyhows, can I have a hug now, infinity? You scarred me :P | 08:23 |
| infinity | somerville32: I'm not so good with the hugs, but I can get dholbach to hug you when he shows up. :) | 08:25 |
| somerville32 | Ok | 08:25 |
| === somerville32 hugs himself in the meantime. | ||
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| Burgundavia | elmo: ping (re: -devel-discuss) moderator password | 09:16 |
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| desrt | why is linux-server in restricted? | 09:26 |
| desrt | it doesn't depend on l-r-m.... | 09:27 |
| infinity | desrt: Because all of the linux-* packages are in restricted, and I doubt we ever stopped to think that the ones without lrm could/should be in main. *shrug* | 09:27 |
| infinity | desrt: The fact that -server has no lrm makes linux-server more or less useless anyway, since it's the same as linux-image-server | 09:28 |
| desrt | infinity; that's a good point | 09:28 |
| === desrt removes linux-server, explicitly requests linux-image-server and removes restricted from apt sources | ||
| desrt | feels good to live a life without restricted :) | 09:35 |
| desrt | i guess i'd feel even nicer if i didn't need nvidia drivers for my desktop :/ | 09:35 |
| Burgundavia | I wish madwifi would die | 09:36 |
| desrt | it often does | 09:37 |
| desrt | <ha ha ha> | 09:37 |
| Hobbsee | i prefer madwifi over ndiswrapper | 09:37 |
| desrt | on the heirarchy of evil i pretty much have to agree with that | 09:37 |
| desrt | but i prefer intel even more | 09:38 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 09:39 |
| Hobbsee | what, hte 3945 chipsets? | 09:39 |
| Hobbsee | didnt think they were free either | 09:39 |
| === desrt finds self feeling very mellow | ||
| desrt | i just had the oddest feeling like myself corey sarah and adam were sitting in a room together drinking wine or something | 09:41 |
| Hobbsee | ookay? | 09:41 |
| infinity | If this is some sort of double-date, I'm claiming Corey as mine. | 09:42 |
| desrt | damn. i was hoping for corey. :( | 09:42 |
| Burgundavia | wait a sec | 09:44 |
| Burgundavia | don't I get a choice? | 09:44 |
| infinity | No. | 09:44 |
| Burgundavia | dammit | 09:44 |
| desrt | corey; more wine? | 09:44 |
| Burgundavia | heh | 09:45 |
| desrt | i'm sure everyone here has seen that commercial for that xbox360 game "gears of war" | 09:45 |
| desrt | the one with the lone soldier in the burned-out streets and fighting that huge spider-looking thing at the end | 09:46 |
| desrt | with the really really mellow music | 09:46 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 09:46 |
| === desrt is listening to that song repeatedly | ||
| Hobbsee | Burgundavia: you dont, unless you say you want both of them | 09:46 |
| desrt | weird mood. | 09:46 |
| Burgundavia | watched on the big screen, before I saw the new bond | 09:46 |
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| Burgundavia | Hobbsee: it is a tough choice | 09:47 |
| Hobbsee | Burgundavia: indeed | 09:47 |
| Burgundavia | they are just so pretty, with such nice asses | 09:48 |
| infinity | desrt's pretty? | 09:48 |
| desrt | you know. i still remember some words you said to me at ubz. | 09:48 |
| desrt | which i found very oddly placed at the time | 09:48 |
| desrt | http://desrt.mcmaster.ca/random/gary%20jules%20-%20mad%20world.ogg | 09:48 |
| Burgundavia | desrt: I said? | 09:50 |
| desrt | for some reason you felt the need to let me know that you didn't find me attractive | 09:51 |
| desrt | like, you specifically mentioned it | 09:51 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, that is odd | 09:51 |
| Burgundavia | that isn't something I would say, but I take your word for it | 09:51 |
| desrt | i only remember it because it was so oddly placed and rather randomly harsh | 09:51 |
| Fujitsu | desrt: Unless you're LP in disguise, I can't imagine Burgundavia being harsh like that :P | 09:52 |
| Burgundavia | occasionally, when I get drinking, I say harsh things. I blame it on alcohol | 09:53 |
| desrt | the aussies are googling me | 09:53 |
| infinity | Was looking for pictures of your (apparently) unattractive mug. :P | 09:54 |
| desrt | :) | 09:54 |
| Burgundavia | heh | 09:54 |
| infinity | I feel a bit bad to discover that you were at UBZ, and I don't remember you AT ALL. | 09:54 |
| desrt | you just found one :p | 09:54 |
| infinity | Though, after 2 weeks there, I was in a bit of a daze. | 09:54 |
| desrt | like the scarf? | 09:54 |
| infinity | Scarf? | 09:54 |
| Burgundavia | http://desrt.mcmaster.ca/images/scarf.jpeg <-- nice scarf | 09:54 |
| infinity | I think you're watching Hobbsee, not me. | 09:55 |
| desrt | oh maybe. whois wildit.net.au? | 09:55 |
| Burgundavia | unfortunately, you look like a zombie in that picture | 09:55 |
| infinity | Oh, NOW I hit the scarf. | 09:55 |
| Burgundavia | ah, yes, Canadian winters | 09:55 |
| infinity | (wildit is me) | 09:55 |
| desrt | my sister googled me at work the other day and yelled at me for having scary pictures online | 09:56 |
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| Burgundavia | ouch, the only pictures of me online were taken at conferences | 09:57 |
| desrt | since we're all googling each other.... | 09:57 |
| === desrt does corey :) | ||
| Treenaks | Burgundavia: mine too :) | 09:57 |
| Treenaks | Burgundavia: hub did them :) | 09:57 |
| Burgundavia | all of which make me look like hell, because I don't tend to sleep very much at them | 09:58 |
| Treenaks | Burgundavia: http://foodfight.org/zut/martijn-hoofd.jpg | 09:58 |
| Hobbsee | infinity: why's anyone watching me? | 09:58 |
| Burgundavia | http://67.18.254.190/img/15517/linuxworld2.jpg <-- jorge and myself at LWE SF | 09:58 |
| desrt | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Burgundavia <- heh! | 09:58 |
| Treenaks | Burgundavia: you don't look sleepy, you look stoned :) | 09:58 |
| Burgundavia | Treenaks: the puffy eyes, etc. | 09:59 |
| Burgundavia | there is a great picture of me from UBZ, in which I have eyes of different sizes with huge bags | 09:59 |
| desrt | ubz was a lot of fun | 09:59 |
| Treenaks | oh man .. Windows virus scanners are crack | 09:59 |
| desrt | despite the fact that i was disgustingly ill for most of it | 09:59 |
| Burgundavia | it was | 09:59 |
| Burgundavia | I am sad I missed both Paris and MTV | 10:00 |
| Fujitsu | Treenaks: You don't say. | 10:00 |
| Treenaks | Fujitsu: I'm installing .NET, and it keeps popping up "The registry was altered"... DUH | 10:00 |
| desrt | mtv was good. california is a weird place :) | 10:00 |
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| Fujitsu | Hahahha. | 10:00 |
| === Treenaks missed Australia, Paris and MTV | ||
| === Treenaks hopes the next one will be nearby :) | ||
| Burgundavia | Treenaks: same as me | 10:01 |
| desrt | infinity; you know... i'm sure i've met you... | 10:01 |
| Burgundavia | I am hoping europe next | 10:01 |
| infinity | desrt: You were in MTV too? Damn. | 10:01 |
| desrt | infinity; but i don't know what you look like :) | 10:01 |
| infinity | desrt: I'm the guy who was never wearing his own tag. Ever. | 10:01 |
| infinity | desrt: I was quite often LaMont Jones, though. | 10:01 |
| desrt | infinity; that's pretty much everyone | 10:01 |
| === desrt finds a picture of you and tollef | ||
| infinity | desrt: Well, we all statred doing it because I initially refused to wear mine (and stole LaMont's) out of protest because my tag was hand-written. | 10:02 |
| infinity | desrt: It got out of hand by day 2 or 3. | 10:02 |
| infinity | Oh dear Lord, there are pictures of me online? | 10:02 |
| === infinity cries. | ||
| desrt | at one point i was ajmitch -and- murray cumming | 10:02 |
| Burgundavia | http://www.netsplit.com/events/2005/ubuntu-down-under/ubuntu-down-under-005_screen.jpg <- spotted | 10:02 |
| desrt | http://www.mercateo.com/p/102-198785(2d)BP/ADAM_6521_5PORT_ETHERNET_SWITCH_W_FIBER.html | 10:03 |
| desrt | a conrad brand "adam" ethernet switch | 10:03 |
| infinity | http://cerberus.0c3.net/~adconrad/my_best_friend.jpg <-- There, that's a passable picture, I guess. | 10:04 |
| desrt | which one is you? | 10:04 |
| Burgundavia | 'he man of intrigue, Adam Conrad" http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://seven.com.au/catalogueFiles/ha2-3/images/feature/haa_thmblrg_108x108_headland_rachael.jpg&imgrefurl=http://seven.com.au/homeandaway/feat_promotional_headlands-promotional-page_051111&h=108&w=108&sz=6&hl=en&start=20&tbnid=Z79XjmKNd7smJM:&tbnh=85&tbnw=85&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2522adam%2Bconrad%2522%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG | 10:04 |
| infinity | At least I'm not in "tired, conference mode". | 10:04 |
| infinity | desrt: The pretty one. | 10:04 |
| desrt | infinity; i have to say the bearsuit really does it for you | 10:04 |
| infinity | desrt: I know, I really should have bought it. | 10:04 |
| Burgundavia | desrt: have to agree with you there | 10:04 |
| Burgundavia | who is the lady? | 10:05 |
| desrt | his best friend, i'm guessing | 10:05 |
| infinity | Burgundavia: My wife. | 10:05 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 10:05 |
| Burgundavia | desrt: lack of hands showing rings | 10:05 |
| === desrt wouldn't have assumed wife either | ||
| desrt | bah | 10:06 |
| _ion | I just implemented time travel technology. | 10:06 |
| desrt | my plans to visit victoria are spoilt | 10:07 |
| infinity | ? | 10:07 |
| infinity | Planning to come and pick up? | 10:07 |
| Burgundavia | desrt: why so? | 10:07 |
| infinity | You're not really her type. :P | 10:07 |
| Burgundavia | and which victoria? | 10:07 |
| desrt | i was gonna drop in on my uncle on the way to linux.conf.au | 10:07 |
| desrt | since it's on the way | 10:07 |
| desrt | but he's gonna be out of the country :/ | 10:07 |
| desrt | Burgundavia; the island one | 10:08 |
| desrt | :) | 10:08 |
| === desrt is deliberately obnoxious | ||
| Burgundavia | desrt: both are "island ones" | 10:08 |
| desrt | oh. really? :) | 10:08 |
| desrt | yours, silly :p | 10:08 |
| infinity | Burgundavia: "both"? I assumed he meant "Victoria, Australia", which is, y'know, where I live. :) | 10:08 |
| desrt | infinity; victoria, BC which is, y'know, where corey lives | 10:09 |
| Treenaks | infinity: who'd want to go THERE? :P | 10:09 |
| === Fujitsu is pleased at the lack of photos of himself. | ||
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| desrt | infinity; it's also on an island | 10:09 |
| infinity | Treenaks: It's pleasant enough. | 10:09 |
| === Hobbsee has no photos | ||
| Hobbsee | well, no findable ones | 10:09 |
| Burgundavia | infinity: victoria is on vancouver island, unless aussie living has softened your brain that badly :) | 10:09 |
| desrt | Hobbsee; my google skills know no bounds. just wait. | 10:09 |
| infinity | Burgundavia: Yes, I recall. :P | 10:09 |
| Hobbsee | desrt: go for it | 10:09 |
| infinity | Burgundavia: My Victoria isn't on an island, though. :) | 10:09 |
| Burgundavia | http://faces.debian.net/ <-- we need this | 10:10 |
| Burgundavia | infinity: true | 10:10 |
| === _ion misread it as "feces.debian.net" | ||
| _ion | Now *that* would be cool. | 10:10 |
| desrt | oh man | 10:10 |
| desrt | this is like cracking a one time pad | 10:10 |
| desrt | even if you _did_ have photos i'd never know | 10:10 |
| Hobbsee | desrt: finding nothing? | 10:11 |
| desrt | Hobbsee; finding too many people named sarah hobbs | 10:11 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 10:11 |
| Burgundavia | Hobbsee: what are you hobbies, aside from Ubuntu? | 10:11 |
| desrt | and they're all different! | 10:11 |
| Hobbsee | try going by hobbsee | 10:11 |
| Hobbsee | yes, i'm not the artist | 10:11 |
| desrt | there's even a fine picture of you as a table | 10:11 |
| desrt | o. | 10:11 |
| Hobbsee | haha! | 10:11 |
| desrt | so i guess the table isn't you, then | 10:11 |
| Hobbsee | nope | 10:11 |
| Fujitsu | There are a lot of William Grants around, which is both a curse and a blessing. | 10:11 |
| Hobbsee | i dont tend to use my real name online | 10:12 |
| Burgundavia | http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://lancemc46.topcities.com/prebble/Images1000p/1267v_Kathleen_Sarah_HOBBS.jpg&imgrefurl=http://lancemc46.topcities.com/prebble/284p.html&h=200&w=200&sz=16&hl=en&start=12&tbnid=LxOLk0qxPMDR8M:&tbnh=104&tbnw=104&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2522sarah%2Bhobbs%2522%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN <-- found you! | 10:12 |
| desrt | http://www.blastoff.ru/kart/sorev/2006/screens/hobsee.jpg <- this is all you get | 10:12 |
| Burgundavia | you into cross county, Hobbsee? | 10:12 |
| Hobbsee | heh. nope, neither are me | 10:12 |
| Hobbsee | Burgundavia: nope | 10:12 |
| Burgundavia | got a bcomm? | 10:12 |
| Hobbsee | dont even know what that is | 10:12 |
| infinity | Bachelor of Commerce. | 10:13 |
| Hobbsee | oh yes, of course | 10:13 |
| === Fujitsu is unhappy with the first search result for Hobbsee. | ||
| Hobbsee | thought it was some technical gadget that i'd never heard of | 10:13 |
| Hobbsee | haha, yes | 10:13 |
| Burgundavia | I have a runner from CO and newfie bcomm | 10:13 |
| Burgundavia | but no Ubuntu user | 10:13 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 10:13 |
| Hobbsee | there's an old granny into knitting, too | 10:14 |
| desrt | someone comes in my front door at 4:15am. | 10:14 |
| Fujitsu | At least you've got a reasonable title on the forums. | 10:14 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: yep :P | 10:14 |
| desrt | hah. my sister is crunked | 10:14 |
| Burgundavia | been to any dev conferences? | 10:14 |
| Hobbsee | not yet | 10:14 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, that removes that angle | 10:14 |
| desrt | going to l.c.a? | 10:14 |
| Hobbsee | to the open day | 10:14 |
| desrt | i'll be sure to bring my camera | 10:14 |
| === Hobbsee hides | ||
| === Hobbsee does have a myspace.... | ||
| infinity | And you admit to this? | 10:15 |
| _ion | http://johan.kiviniemi.name/stuff/ruby/acme/timetravel.html | 10:15 |
| Hobbsee | infinity: visit it and find out | 10:15 |
| Treenaks | Hobbsee: IT HURTS MY EYES | 10:16 |
| Hobbsee | Treenaks: hush | 10:16 |
| Burgundavia | my eyes!!! | 10:16 |
| Treenaks | and his :) | 10:16 |
| Hobbsee | http://myspace.com/creamier_oak | 10:16 |
| desrt | OMG | 10:16 |
| Hobbsee | and infinity's probably | 10:16 |
| Burgundavia | are you details bunk or real? | 10:17 |
| infinity | Christing bananas. | 10:17 |
| infinity | THE PAIN. | 10:17 |
| desrt | your myspace is throwing me into epileptic fits | 10:17 |
| Hobbsee | Burgundavia: they're not real. duh | 10:17 |
| Burgundavia | I wish I mad 250k... | 10:17 |
| Burgundavia | http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=80008516 <-- little worried this person has hobbsee as a "friend" | 10:18 |
| desrt | omg | 10:18 |
| desrt | it's 4:20! | 10:18 |
| === desrt has to go. bbiab. | ||
| Hobbsee | Burgundavia: yeah, kinda worrying. | 10:18 |
| Hobbsee | irc contact only, fortunatley | 10:18 |
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| Burgundavia | and now, for something different, I give you a singing cat: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2193241534532350975 | 10:20 |
| Treenaks | that's shrieking cat.. not singing | 10:21 |
| Burgundavia | Treenaks: splitting hairs, really | 10:21 |
| === Hobbsee dinners | ||
| desrt | brrrr | 10:22 |
| desrt | cold outside | 10:22 |
| _ion | They call heavy metal... uh, "singing" singing. They call rap singing. :-) | 10:22 |
| Burgundavia | desrt: you live in canada... | 10:22 |
| === desrt just had his first 4:20 meeting in the AM | ||
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| === Treenaks reads Planet Gnome and sees abiword coolness | ||
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| desrt | Treenaks; the pipe thing? | 10:24 |
| Treenaks | desrt: yes | 10:24 |
| _ion | Has it switched from the toolbar's "font" widget to a semantic "style" widget (alike LyX et al)? | 10:25 |
| desrt | Treenaks; ya. that's quite neat. | 10:25 |
| Treenaks | _ion: no, it's now possible to run it as part of a pipeline# | 10:25 |
| _ion | Ok, that's cool, too. :-) | 10:25 |
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| desrt | Burgundavia; hello goodbye | 10:32 |
| Burgundavia | bloody madwifi | 10:32 |
| desrt | hah! | 10:32 |
| desrt | you brought that one on yourself, quite frankly | 10:32 |
| desrt | 03:36 < Burgundavia> I wish madwifi would die | 10:33 |
| Burgundavia | yes, i probably did | 10:33 |
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| desrt | Hobbsee; why only open day? | 10:35 |
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| jdub | desrt: that's the only day for poster sessions | 10:39 |
| desrt | but if you're gonna be in the area anyway then why not attend the entire programme? | 10:39 |
| jdub | oh, i thought you were referring to having an ubuntu poster session | 10:39 |
| desrt | not as far as i know :) | 10:40 |
| jdub | is Hobbsee not coming to lca? | 10:40 |
| desrt | only for open day, apparently | 10:40 |
| jdub | man | 10:40 |
| desrt | which is what my question was | 10:40 |
| jdub | wasted opportunity | 10:40 |
| jdub | 'sonly in town every 6 years ;) | 10:41 |
| desrt | that's why i asked! | 10:41 |
| desrt | seems just ... wrong to me | 10:41 |
| jdub | (not even that!) | 10:41 |
| desrt | do you know of any american gnomers going to lca? | 10:43 |
| jdub | you. | 10:43 |
| jdub | nutball. | 10:43 |
| jdub | ;-0 | 10:43 |
| jdub | ;-) | 10:43 |
| jdub | blizzard | 10:43 |
| jdub | mjg59 | 10:43 |
| jdub | oh | 10:43 |
| jdub | american | 10:44 |
| desrt | your definition of america seems to be different than mine | 10:44 |
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| Hobbsee | jdub: a ubuntu poster session? | 11:21 |
| Hobbsee | desrt: jdub likely work | 11:21 |
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| iceman | hello | 11:40 |
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| desrt | Hobbsee; :( | 11:52 |
| desrt | Hobbsee; where is this? | 11:52 |
| Hobbsee | desrt: the pictures? | 11:53 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: don't worry, I probably won't be at any of LCA | 11:53 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: yes, but you dont live there | 11:53 |
| desrt | Hobbsee; the job | 11:53 |
| ajmitch | quite true, thankfully | 11:53 |
| desrt | i miss australia | 11:54 |
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| desrt | i hope to see him again soon | 11:54 |
| Hobbsee | desrt: i dont understand | 11:54 |
| desrt | Hobbsee; where is it that you work? | 11:54 |
| Hobbsee | a supermarket? | 11:55 |
| desrt | gotcha | 11:55 |
| desrt | i guess they don't have time off for tech conferences? | 11:55 |
| Hobbsee | nah | 11:55 |
| desrt | what is your job? | 11:55 |
| === desrt used to be a badass cashier | ||
| Hobbsee | just a checkout chick | 11:56 |
| Hobbsee | sometimes ordering the other checkout chicks around :P | 11:56 |
| desrt | do y'all have the 4-digit codes on produce that usually start with 4s? | 11:57 |
| Hobbsee | usually start with 4's? no | 11:57 |
| === desrt has always wondered how universal those were | ||
| Hobbsee | they're around 4 digits though, yeah | 11:57 |
| desrt | hm. not _that_ universal then... | 11:57 |
| desrt | i know they're the same in the US | 11:57 |
| desrt | but apparently not on other continents | 11:57 |
| === desrt only remembers a handful of them... it's been a long time | ||
| desrt | anyway. it's now 6am. definitely time for bed | 11:59 |
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| desrt | good night. | 11:59 |
| Hobbsee | night! | 11:59 |
| ajmitch | night desrt | 11:59 |
| gnomefreak | dapper used gthumb to import pics from camera right? | 12:04 |
| ajmitch | yes | 12:06 |
| gnomefreak | ty | 12:07 |
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| gnomefreak | ok thats strange | 12:09 |
| gnomefreak | edgy has a newer version of OO.o than feisty | 12:10 |
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| tsmithe | perhaps cos of sync? | 12:10 |
| gnomefreak | maybe not real sure just saw it but i would guess on that | 12:11 |
| tsmithe | well... depends on the version in debian i guess | 12:12 |
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| joachim-n | how do I find a string in rosetta? | 12:16 |
| Hobbsee | ask in #rosetta or something? | 12:17 |
| joachim-n | only one user in there :( | 12:18 |
| joachim-n | trying to fix a but with a translated string | 12:18 |
| mdke | joachim-n: #launchpad is the appropriate channel. The answer is that you download the po file, search for the string, and reupload it | 12:18 |
| mdke | code for searching will arrive soon | 12:19 |
| joachim-n | on the bug report, Seb says to fix the string in rosetta | 12:20 |
| joachim-n | https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/language-pack-gnome-en-base/+bug/72304 | 12:20 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 72304 in language-pack-gnome-en-base ""Deleted items folder" name doesn't make sense" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 12:20 |
| mdke | joachim-n: that procedure will fix the string in rosetta | 12:23 |
| mdke | alternatively, browse through all the strings until you find it | 12:23 |
| joachim-n | I don't even see how to browse through strings | 12:23 |
| joachim-n | I've looked for 'language-pack-gnome-en-base' in the rosetta list and I can't see it | 12:23 |
| mdke | that's a generic package which supplies all translations for that language. You need to identify the package which contains the relevant string | 12:24 |
| mdke | like, gnome-panel or something | 12:24 |
| mdke | Then you go here, and select it: https://translations.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+translations | 12:25 |
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| joachim-n | you mean pick the language, then find the package in that massive list | 12:27 |
| mdke | correct | 12:27 |
| joachim-n | which has zippo navigation... :) | 12:28 |
| mdke | sorry? | 12:28 |
| joachim-n | first/previous to go through 1200/75 pages of stuff | 12:29 |
| joachim-n | it's pretty heavy going | 12:29 |
| mdke | that's why I recommended the other approach | 12:29 |
| joachim-n | ah. I couldn't see where to select a package on the url you said, sorry | 12:30 |
| joachim-n | anyway, I've got nautilus now. I assume that's where trash is translated | 12:30 |
| mdke | I would have though gnome-panel but I'm not 100% sure | 12:31 |
| joachim-n | ah | 12:31 |
| joachim-n | how to I get to gnome-panel from that page. https://translations.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+translations ? | 12:31 |
| mdke | click the language then gnome-panel-2.0, I suppose | 12:32 |
| joachim-n | that goes to the massive pages of stuff I mentioned :) | 12:32 |
| mdke | it's on the first page, afaics | 12:32 |
| joachim-n | yup! | 12:32 |
| joachim-n | just found it | 12:32 |
| mdke | now click "download", get the po file, search through it with gedit, and see if you find the string | 12:33 |
| joachim-n | it emails me the file? | 12:35 |
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| mdke | joachim-n: yeah | 12:36 |
| mdke | try nautilus too while you're waiting, maybe they both have that string | 12:38 |
| joachim-n | got the PO and trash isn't in | 12:39 |
| mdke | what about "deleted items"? | 12:40 |
| joachim-n | nope | 12:40 |
| mdke | my bad then, not that package. | 12:40 |
| joachim-n | nm :) | 12:40 |
| joachim-n | found it. it's gnome-applets | 12:52 |
| joachim-n | though there's some in Nautilus too | 12:52 |
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| joachim-n | mdke: what do I do with the po files now I've made the changes? | 01:03 |
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| hunger | Is there some tool that gives readable printouts of /proc/pid/smaps in ubuntu yet? | 01:28 |
| bhale | is this in relation to the benm business? | 01:30 |
| hunger | bhale: Dunno. Who is benm? | 01:31 |
| bhale | the guy on planet gnome who keeps blogging about smaps | 01:31 |
| hunger | bhale: I stumbled over smaps in CPAN... | 01:32 |
| hunger | bhale: It is available in my feisty kernel, so I wondered whether there are tools already to make use of that info. | 01:33 |
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| ulaas | Seveas: my laptop + feisty had problems with my logitech mouse+keyb combo connected to a usb hub. (directly to laptop it is ok.) do you think this is worth reporting? | 01:37 |
| Seveas | ulaas, sounds more like a hardware problem to me | 01:38 |
| ulaas | Seveas: no. works fine with edgy. + windows. i think it is kernel related. | 01:39 |
| Seveas | ulaas, in which version of ubuntu do you see the problem? | 01:39 |
| ulaas | feisty | 01:40 |
| Seveas | then it's a regression, please report it | 01:40 |
| ulaas | Seveas: deal | 01:40 |
| ulaas | oh one more question | 01:40 |
| Seveas | and in the report please say that it's a regression from edgy | 01:40 |
| ulaas | what happened to sound device selector in preferences->sound | 01:41 |
| Seveas | no idea | 01:41 |
| Seveas | maybe crimsun knows, he's a sound guru | 01:41 |
| ulaas | crimsun: hey! sound guru. :) | 01:41 |
| Seveas | --- [crimsun] idle 01:03:33, signon: Wed Dec 6 01:01:37 | 01:42 |
| Seveas | so ask later :) | 01:42 |
| ulaas | Seveas: ok. | 01:43 |
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| ulaas | Seveas: do i report it as a bug in feisty on launchpad? | 01:45 |
| Hobbsee | yes | 01:46 |
| Seveas | launchpad doesn't have the facility to report bugs as occuring in a specific version, so just say in your report that feist is buggy where edgy worked | 01:46 |
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| jhasse | Where to post suggestions for the human theme? | 01:53 |
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| HiddenWolf | jhasse: #ubuntu-art or their mailing list is a good place to start | 02:00 |
| jhasse | HiddenWolf: Thank you | 02:00 |
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| Answer | is logrotate being moved away from logrotate 3.7.1 - Copyright (C) 1995-2001 Red Hat, Inc. ? | 02:38 |
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| Answer | when I run logrotate on my server it is fine but the clients die at the exact time the logs rotate... it doesnt make any sense. I would love to see logrotate version 4 Copyright Ubuntu 2006 | 02:43 |
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| Answer | I can stop the server side program, reboot it, turn it off, and the clients continue fine. but logrotate (only on sunday mornings) kills the clients... monday-saturday its fine. just doesn't make any sense | 02:45 |
| Pupeno | Hello. | 02:45 |
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| Pupeno | What do you think about mainstream packages that already include a debian dir, is that a good or bad thing ? | 02:45 |
| Answer | example? | 02:46 |
| Pupeno | Answer: is that to me ? | 02:46 |
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| Answer | Pupeno: example of mainstream package that already includes a debian dir? | 02:47 |
| bddebian | Howdy | 02:47 |
| Hobbsee | Pupeno: bad idea. | 02:48 |
| Hobbsee | see the packaging guide as to why | 02:48 |
| Pupeno | Answer: Haskell Streams. | 02:48 |
| Answer | maybe I could bribe some folks to rewrite logrotate... how does caffeine sound | 02:49 |
| Hobbsee | Answer: it'd need to be beer. and maybe money, too | 02:49 |
| Hobbsee | however, it's a sunday | 02:49 |
| Answer | Pupeno: everything I have experienced in Haskell needs to be updated... doesn't surprise me if it includes deb dirs | 02:49 |
| Pupeno | Answer: I think it is irrelevant the language of the software to wether including the debian is a good idea or not. This is the repo: http://software.pupeno.com/Streams-0.1/ | 02:50 |
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| Pupeno | Hobbsee: I feel it is a bad idea, but I don't have any good reasons. What packaging guide did you refer to ? | 02:50 |
| Answer | yeah well the logrotate on sunday morning crashes stuff so here I am :/ I don't even have a clue where to look. there were no errors yet unrelated programs on the clients crashed. it works fine monday-saturday. | 02:50 |
| Answer | well technically the logs did rotate appropriately. I just don't see how logrotate on the server could crash programs on the client | 02:51 |
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| Hobbsee | Pupeno: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | 02:51 |
| Hobbsee | under "common mistakes" | 02:51 |
| Chipzz | Hobbsee: no "common" on that page | 02:52 |
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| Hobbsee | argh, it pasted wrong | 02:53 |
| Answer | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/CommonPackagingMistakes/ChangingTheOrigTarball | 02:54 |
| Hobbsee | http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html | 02:54 |
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| Answer | Hobbsee: i've got 17 Heineken Keg cans here... already chilled | 02:55 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 02:56 |
| HiddenWolf | Answer: too bad that heineken is so sucky. :P | 02:56 |
| HiddenWolf | At least, people from the north-european parts are used to better. ;) | 02:57 |
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| Answer | um I got Wolaver Organic sampler pack if you like that | 02:58 |
| HiddenWolf | *chuckle* | 02:58 |
| Answer | what do you want spaten | 02:58 |
| Answer | some nice belgians | 02:58 |
| Answer | someone should rewrite logrotate just out of pride to get the redhat copyright out of ubuntu | 02:59 |
| thom | Answer: why would anyone care? | 03:00 |
| thom | esp given everything else that redhat contribute to the linux community | 03:00 |
| Answer | because when logrotate runs on my server it crashes unrelated software on the clients... I have no explanation or even an idea of how this is possible or where to look | 03:01 |
| hunger | Answer: I would very much prefer someone taking the time to make the log rotation stuff more uniform. | 03:01 |
| bhale | Answer: you may not be aware, but redhat employs the core upstream developers for gcc, glibc, and some top kernel hackers | 03:01 |
| bhale | Answer: want to rewrite their code out of pride? | 03:01 |
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| Answer | hunger: what parts of logrotate could be made more uniform? you mean the config file more like crontab or what | 03:02 |
| thom | Answer: well, since you know you're not going to get support here, why are you asking? | 03:02 |
| bhale | this is not a support channel, and it does create an agressive mood when you throw out ideas like Fork RedHat | 03:02 |
| bhale | a backtrace of the crash on a bug report would be a start | 03:02 |
| hunger | Answer: dmesg->dmesg.0->dmesg.1.gz, dirmngr.log->dirmngr.log.1.gz, apport.log->apport.log.1, etc. | 03:03 |
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| Answer | because I don't know where to look or how to explain these unrelated things crashing... it makes no sense | 03:04 |
| hunger | Answer: Everything keeping a different no. of old logs around, etc. | 03:04 |
| Answer | bhale: how would I acquire such a backtrace from the client... | 03:05 |
| bhale | they would configure their system to allow coredumps (via ulimit) and you would collect the core dump that the crashing process spits out | 03:05 |
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| Answer | hunger: well I don't really have a problem with logrotate itself, it seems to work fine. but on sundays, the client software crashes at the exact time the server runs logrotate, even though logrotate runs fine with no erros | 03:05 |
| Chipzz | Hobbsee: I'm not totally impressed with that page | 03:06 |
| hunger | Answer: So your apps probably suck and can not deal with the logfiles getting rotated. | 03:06 |
| Chipzz | it recommends extracting and recompressing a .tar.bz2 ? | 03:06 |
| Chipzz | looks to me like dpkg should be fixed instead | 03:07 |
| Hobbsee | Chipzz: well, what else can you do? | 03:07 |
| Chipzz | fix dpkg? | 03:07 |
| hunger | Answer: Fix the logrotate config for those apps to restart the apps (see eg. /etc/logrotate/dirmngr | 03:07 |
| Chipzz | this is just broken | 03:07 |
| Answer | hunger: sure but what i'm saying is that they are unrelated. the client app is not writing or reading to the logfiles on the server. you can turn off the server and the clients run fine. also lograte monday-saturday does not cause this problem | 03:07 |
| Chipzz | rpm has supported .tar.bz2 for a very long time | 03:07 |
| bhale | we don't use rpm :) | 03:07 |
| Chipzz | no | 03:07 |
| Chipzz | but is really not such a bad thing to require bzip2 to be installed | 03:08 |
| bhale | tar.gz is still the de facto standard | 03:08 |
| Chipzz | that de facto standard is wrong and over-age? | 03:08 |
| hunger | bhale: It is? I have not created a tar.gz for over 5 years now:-) | 03:09 |
| bhale | hunger: it is pretty much the standard in OSS software source code distribution, from my perspective... | 03:09 |
| hunger | bhale: dholbach was the first to complain about that a couple of days back;-) | 03:10 |
| Chipzz | Hobbsee: fwiw, my opinion is actually that a debian dir shipped by upstream is a *good* thing | 03:10 |
| Hobbsee | why? | 03:10 |
| Chipzz | provided it is actively kept up-to-date | 03:10 |
| Chipzz | because you can build .deb's from cvs without the painstaking process of importing the debian dir? | 03:11 |
| bhale | that sounds backwards | 03:11 |
| bhale | and hyperbole | 03:11 |
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| bhale | you would normally "export" the source into a released form via make dist | 03:11 |
| Chipzz | no, not at all? | 03:11 |
| bhale | and uupdate it like every other package | 03:12 |
| Chipzz | bhale: no | 03:12 |
| bhale | no "sucking in the debian dir" | 03:12 |
| bhale | alright, no. | 03:12 |
| Chipzz | what I meant is: users (not ubuntu or debian developers) following cvs | 03:12 |
| Chipzz | and having the common sense to use a packaging system to install stuff instead of configure ; make ; make install | 03:13 |
| bhale | when I follow CVS i install into /usr/local | 03:13 |
| bhale | the average user is not a packager | 03:13 |
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| bhale | multiple prefixes are rad. | 03:13 |
| Chipzz | and that's exactly why an upstream up-to-date debian dir is a good thing? | 03:14 |
| Chipzz | tell you something | 03:14 |
| Chipzz | I have made unofficial packages for gnome in the past | 03:14 |
| Chipzz | (rpms) | 03:15 |
| Chipzz | me and the other people involved in that effort actually stored the .spec.in files in cvs when the author agreed | 03:15 |
| Chipzz | making it easier for people to test stuff | 03:15 |
| Answer | bhale: ulimit is already set to unlimited, but there were no core files... | 03:15 |
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| bhale | Chipzz: it is my strong opinion that unofficial packages should be built to the same methods and standards as a package in ubuntu | 03:17 |
| bhale | packaging files go to bzr on launchpad or svn on alioth | 03:18 |
| Chipzz | but really, what could you be missing out on if the debian dir was kept reasonably up-to-date upstream? | 03:18 |
| Chipzz | conflicts/replaces maybe | 03:18 |
| bhale | yes, conflicts/replaces | 03:18 |
| Chipzz | I'ld hardly call that critical | 03:18 |
| hunger | bhale: You can not force the ubuntu-way on everybody else! People will build their own debs... and having a debian dir in upstream at least channels things. | 03:18 |
| bhale | ok, you make some busted packages, get everyone to install them, and slashdot can slam us over and over because people cant upgrade to the next release | 03:19 |
| bhale | you are certainly free to do so, it is OSS | 03:19 |
| Chipzz | no, because the number of people actually building packages from cvs is limited | 03:19 |
| bhale | I will just disagree with you when you throw hyperbole arond here | 03:19 |
| bhale | about the massive ammount of work it is to do it right | 03:19 |
| Chipzz | what exactly does hyperbole mean, anyway? | 03:19 |
| bhale | "a deliberate exaggeration or overstatement" | 03:20 |
| bhale | to make a point | 03:20 |
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| Chipzz | and people building their own packages will damn well realise it invalidates any official support from ubuntu | 03:21 |
| bhale | the people using them do not, in our experience | 03:21 |
| bhale | over and over | 03:21 |
| Chipzz | so why aren't we getting slashdotted over jhbuild and other buildscripts like that then? | 03:21 |
| bhale | jhbuild does nessecarily install over the system files, or hork up the dpkg database | 03:22 |
| Chipzz | no, it will do way worse things than that | 03:22 |
| Chipzz | cause irreproducible crashes | 03:22 |
| Chipzz | and stuff like that | 03:23 |
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| Chipzz | but | 03:23 |
| Chipzz | you only get to call me "throwing hyperboles" if you ignore the premise I started with | 03:24 |
| Chipzz | that the debian dir is kept reasonably up-to-date upstream | 03:24 |
| Hobbsee | the dist-upgrades were very well publisised | 03:24 |
| Chipzz | you know, the crap we got with people installing easyubuntu and stuff like that was exactly because of the ease of installing it | 03:25 |
| Hobbsee | Chipzz: of course, a lot of upstream people write crap packaging, as they're coders in c++/python/perl/whatever, and dont run ubuntu or debian. | 03:25 |
| Hobbsee | and so dont know how to | 03:25 |
| Hobbsee | which is fine - they're not expected to - that's the job of the packager | 03:25 |
| Chipzz | that's why you could try to actually coordinate with upstream? | 03:25 |
| Chipzz | upstream also knows first about changes *needed* in the packaging | 03:26 |
| Chipzz | because of the way stuff works | 03:26 |
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| Chipzz | let me give you an example: nemiver | 03:31 |
| Chipzz | I build a package from svn before it was first released | 03:31 |
| Chipzz | yes I did have some problems on upgrade | 03:32 |
| Chipzz | but I knew that was to be expected when I installed it in the first place | 03:32 |
| Chipzz | but I was glad I could avoid installing all kind of stuff in /usr/local/ that I had to remove afterwards | 03:33 |
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| Answer | !! Free beer for logrotate v4 (c) Ubuntu 2006 !! | 03:51 |
| thom | Answer: please stop being childish | 03:51 |
| Answer | thom: children offer you beer... ? | 03:52 |
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| bhale | yawn, final warning | 03:52 |
| thom | Answer: #ubuntu-offtopic or nothing(preferably) would be a more suitable channel for you currently | 03:53 |
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| Answer | go ahead bring the kline... not getting any help here anyways :( | 03:54 |
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| thom | that's because it's not a support channel! | 03:57 |
| Answer | i've given up on support and i'm hoping that I can bribe someone to write a new logrotate | 03:59 |
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| hunger | Answer: Sorry, that is pretty childish... grow up... no need to rewrite code just because of the copyright as long as the license is ok. | 04:00 |
| Answer | lol that was just an attempt to incite a response from some redhat people :) | 04:01 |
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| logrotater | the problem is that running logrotate on a server crashes multiple clients that are not reading or writing those logs | 04:04 |
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| thom | ban evasion wins you no favours | 04:05 |
| thom | and this still isn't a support channel | 04:05 |
| logrotater | inquiring about future development of logrotate not support... | 04:05 |
| Chipzz | logrotater: yes you ARE asking for support | 04:05 |
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| HiddenWolf | damn, people just don't get it, do they? | 04:09 |
| _ion | hiddenwolf: He very much "got it", but was trolling intentionally. | 04:09 |
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| mdke | joachim-n: you upload it | 06:19 |
| joachim-n | the Upload link says I don't have access | 06:19 |
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| mdke | joachim-n: are you a member of the appropriate translation team? | 06:25 |
| joachim-n | nope | 06:25 |
| mdke | joachim-n: then you'll need to find someone who is to make the change | 06:25 |
| joachim-n | well I've uploaded the files to the bug report | 06:25 |
| mdke | good idea | 06:25 |
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| lehaid | why does ubuntu baseline kernel make modules_install put the modules not in the correct /lib/modules ? | 06:34 |
| thom | lehaid: please don't ask the same question in two channels | 06:36 |
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| lehaid | thom: but there aren't the same poeple in both | 06:38 |
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| darek | hi | 06:50 |
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| bluefoxicy | you have no idea how lame this is. | 07:09 |
| bluefoxicy | I forgot to load kqemu before I booted fedora core's livecd | 07:10 |
| bluefoxicy | I didn't notice | 07:10 |
| bluefoxicy | as in, it's almost native speed anyway. | 07:10 |
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| shawarma | bluefoxicy: Why is that lame? | 07:25 |
| bluefoxicy | shawarma: because without virtualization I got the impression that it was emulating (interpretive) at 80-90% native speed :| That can't be possible | 07:25 |
| shawarma | bluefoxicy: You lost me. You said you didn't load kqemu, yet it runs at almost native speed.. and that's lame because it's impossible? | 07:27 |
| bluefoxicy | shawarma: it does not make sense; therefor it is lame. | 07:28 |
| bluefoxicy | shawarma: see http://dilbertblog.typepad.com/the_dilbert_blog/2006/11/the_one_problem.html for an explanation of why this concept works | 07:28 |
| bluefoxicy | ok I gotta try this with an Ubuntu LiveCD, brb. | 07:28 |
| shawarma | bluefoxicy: I see. I was not familiar with the sense of the word. | 07:29 |
| bluefoxicy | shawarma: shrug. Anyway, I'm going to try this out with a livecd. | 07:30 |
| shawarma | bluefoxicy: s/with the sense/with that sense/g | 07:30 |
| shawarma | bluefoxicy: Alright. | 07:30 |
| bluefoxicy | shawarma: it's funny, laugh. | 07:30 |
| shawarma | shackan: I am already. On the onside. :-) | 07:30 |
| bluefoxicy | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDQemuWin32 without working qvm86? | 07:30 |
| shawarma | inside, of course. | 07:30 |
| shawarma | I just cannot type properly today. | 07:30 |
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| somerville32 | pitti: Are you busy? | 08:15 |
| bluefoxicy | Amazing. | 08:18 |
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| bluefoxicy | Edgy boots without Qvm86 or Kqemu in 5 minutes (GDM), 7 minutes (all the way to the desktop) | 08:18 |
| shackan | I'm curious to know how long it takes with acceleration | 08:24 |
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| bluefoxicy | shackan: approximately native. I'm using edgy, I'll kill dapper and start it over. | 08:27 |
| bluefoxicy | shackan: note there's like a 1/5 second delay for menus to pop up and buttons to get depressed, which feels about native. o.O Back in the 0.7 days of Qemu it used to take it like 4 seconds to draw a menu and load all the icons | 08:28 |
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| bluefoxicy | shackan: GDM loading (~4 minutes) | 08:32 |
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| bluefoxicy | desktop is up | 08:33 |
| bluefoxicy | shackan: about half the time, and it feels native. | 08:33 |
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| bluefoxicy | (Dapper takes 8/10 minutes emulated) | 08:34 |
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| bluefoxicy | shackan: I am expecting Feisty's numbers to drop if they actually build all the packages with --hash-style=both (or --hash-style=gnu but having both doesn't hurt) | 08:43 |
| bluefoxicy | Probably to half of Edgy's | 08:43 |
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| TheMuso | C | 10:24 |
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