[02:45] <SWAT> are there any good 'power-management' tools around? (since Ubuntu shortens the 'usage-time' of my battery)
[02:46] <Burgundavia> SWAT: in what sense?
[02:48] <SWAT> well, I have a celeron and CPU scaling isn't possible (which sucks). Then I can't undervolt my CPU, since my CPU doesn't support it (which also sucks)
[02:48] <SWAT> I don't know if possible to scale my CPU down anyway?
[02:49] <Burgundavia> no idea, sorry
[02:49] <SWAT> or perhaps 'tweak' my component (primarily HD) usage? I guess that would be the component using the majorty of power which could be tweaked
[02:49] <Burgundavia> I have a celeron M, which might support it
[02:49] <Burgundavia> nah, the issue is mostly using the exisitng power management features
[02:50] <Burgundavia> if you right click on the battery iocn and choose preferences
[02:50] <Burgundavia> there is a "battery life over performance" switch
[02:50] <SWAT> Burgundavia, if you can run powernowd etc. you probably have scaling possibilities. I don't, afaik (I also should have Celeron M if I remember correctly)
[02:50] <Burgundavia> I don't deviate from stock config
[02:50] <jldugger_> SWAT, you say ubuntu shortens usage time
[02:50] <jldugger_> compared to windows?
[02:51] <SWAT> jldugger_, yes, and I'm not the only one who experiences this
[02:51] <Burgundavia> again, the issue is mostly using the existing power management features
[02:52] <Burgundavia> bug your vendor to support linux better
[02:52] <jldugger_> SWAT, sure. but the question is what windows is doing that Ubuntu doesn't. and usually its frequency scaling etc
[02:52] <jldugger_> gnome's power management stuff in 2.16, along with the new power-management-backend seem pretty nice
[02:52] <SWAT> I had a discussion about this with a LUG member
[02:52] <jldugger_> so/
[02:53] <jldugger_> you're having a discussion about it with one right now :P
[02:53] <SWAT> Windows apparently has 'tweaked' their power managed far better
[02:53] <SWAT> s/managed/management/
[02:53] <jldugger_> i get pretty much the same battery life in windows vs linux
[02:53] <Burgundavia> nah, it is not that
[02:54] <Burgundavia> windows has vendor support, so windows can use all the shiny features like spinning down disks, slowing down fans, etc.
[02:54] <Burgundavia> hardware controlled stuff that is vendor-dependant
[02:54] <jldugger_> if it were "tweaks" that linux was missing, i'd expect the opposite
[02:54] <SWAT> my classmates (2) and a LUGmember confirmed my suspicions
[02:55] <SWAT> Burgundavia, yes, I would guess so
[02:55] <jldugger_> SWAT, there's clearly things that can be done, as one of the SUSE developers pointed out in a talk a few months ago
[02:56] <SWAT> well, undervolting hardware is tricky to get to work, but a friend of mine got it to work (and that also saves a bit of power)
[02:57] <jldugger_> http://lwn.net/Articles/181888/
[02:58] <SWAT> if laptops would be more efficient, more people would probably used it. If more people use it, it would get 'seen' in action more often, which would create a larger userbase
[02:59] <Burgundavia> usebase is only part of the issue
[02:59] <Burgundavia> we need developers and vendor support
[02:59] <SWAT> vendor support will come if the userbase is big enough
[03:00] <SWAT> otherwise they would be cutting into their own userbase
[03:00] <jldugger_> thats not nessecarily true
[03:01] <jldugger_> vendors would still resist open source even if there is a user base to justify addressing the problem
[03:01] <Burgundavia> vendor support does not come from single users
[03:01] <Burgundavia> vendor support comes from big orgs buying 10k laptops at once
[03:01] <Burgundavia> who say "I am buying this to run Linux on it. Make certain it is feature comparable"
[03:04] <SWAT> OK, guys, thanks for the chat. I'm off (sleepy-time). Thanks for the quick chat. Have a nice sunday
[03:05] <jldugger_> aha
[03:05] <jldugger_> http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2006/linuxsymposium_procv1.pdf
[03:06] <jldugger_> page 127 =(
[11:11] <KenSentMe> Is it possible to automaticly switch of the synaptics touchpad when a usb mouse is plugged in?
[04:29] <eternal_p> good morning, does anyone here have some experience with Bluetooth devies and ubuntu?
[12:03] <sk1nny> hi guys i've just 'inherited' a toshiba satellite pro a10 laptop and have been trying to install dapper 6.06 on it (first from a downloaded live cd, then from a downloaded alternative cd) but to no avail. The live cd install hangs on the first page, and the alternative appeared to work until it reboots and then i'm told "Missing Operating System". Is there any chance of getting ubuntu onto this machine without hauling out hardware?
[12:04] <Burgundavia> sk1nny: have you tried 6.10?
[12:04] <sk1nny> no, not yet, i figured i'd probably be safest with dapper.
[12:04] <sk1nny> does edgy have better laptop support?