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pschulz01Ping?12:18
MenZaPONG!12:19
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MenZahai jenda12:19
MenZa:D12:19
jenda12:19
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pschulz01MenZa: I have redone the original Ubuntu leaklet in Inkscape.. details http://community.mawsonlakes.org/ubuntu/12:21
MenZa:O12:21
pschulz01I'll send an email to the mailing list, but I though I'd let you guys know forst..12:21
pschulz01first.12:21
pschulz01It would be good If it can make it to the diy website.12:22
MenZaI like the first one12:23
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pschulz01MenZa: They are for printing back to back.12:23
MenZaSo I figured12:23
pschulz01:-)12:23
pschulz01.. but that can be tricky.. I managed to print the inside upside down.. the first time.12:24
pschulz01(Does that make any sense?)12:24
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jendapong?12:33
jendahmm12:33
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jendapschulz01: you don't happen to have preview pngs?12:34
pschulz01jenda: How big?12:35
MenZajenda: http://www.flickr.com/photos/menza/318127440/12:36
jendabig enough for the text to be comfortable readable?12:36
jendaMenZa: you owe me a coffee.12:36
pschulz01Is that a 'preview' though?12:36
MenZajenda: :D12:37
jendapschulz01: I can have a look at it when you link me, so yes, it's a preview.12:38
jendaIt's not a thumbnail.12:38
jendawith the above, I have to follow the link, follow two more, and then download, open in an external app :)12:38
MenZajenda: liek d00d12:38
MenZaFirefox can display SVGs12:38
MenZaWhy bother?12:38
MenZa:D12:38
jendaIt can? Not really.12:39
MenZaProvided you have the right fonts and stuff12:39
pschulz01How's that... png's in directory.12:40
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jendapschulz01++ :)12:40
jendathanks :)12:40
jendaI like that.12:41
pschulz01Be back later...12:41
jendapschulz01: I think I might be printing a few hundred of those.12:42
MenZajenda, pschulz01, will you guys do me a small favour?12:57
jendaNo.12:57
MenZa:o12:57
MenZahttp://2006.weblogawards.org/2006/12/best_centrist_blog.php <- vote for Homeland Stupidity ;)12:58
jendaJust the term has me rofling.12:58
jendaMenZa: got a link to it?12:58
MenZahttp://ioerror.us12:59
jendaMenZa: in one sentence, why is it the best blog? :)01:00
MenZaIt's not.01:00
jendaah.01:00
MenZaBut I get space food if I get enough votes.01:00
MenZaxD01:00
jendaAh, that answers the question ok :)01:00
MenZaXD01:00
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jendasigh01:07
MenZalol01:07
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=== rjian good morning people
jendahello01:14
jendaAnyone interested in a few Czech Ubuntu t-shirts?01:14
jendaNo one wants to buy them here :)01:14
MenZa#ubuntu-cz :D?01:15
jendaseriously, no one does :)01:18
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somerville32Burgundavia, Are we going to get UWN24 released tonight?01:44
Burgundaviayep01:44
somerville32Burgundavia, Also, as you may know, I'm applying for membership. Would you be able to come out and say a few words as a reference at the upcoming cc?01:45
Burgundaviayep01:46
somerville32Awesome. Thanks :] 01:46
tonyyarusso(Do we know anything about Seveas' question of whether they would do memberships?  I see no replies to it on the wiki page.)01:48
Burgundaviano idea01:49
BurgundaviaI have several people from -marketing/-ca up for membership, including you two01:49
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tonyyarussoGive me a sec and I'll link y'all to the sheet I put together.04:24
Burgundaviakylevan: there currently isn't much "official'04:24
BurgundaviaCanonical is working on case studies and handouts, but we need to work on some as well04:24
kylevangotcha, just the stuff from the DIYMarketing wiki so far?04:25
Burgundaviayep04:25
Burgundaviathat is going to become a website soonish04:25
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Burgundaviadennister: you were talking about a quarter page thingy?04:26
dennisteryes, postcard-eight, too04:26
dennisterweight, i mean04:27
Burgundaviathose are roughly the same size, no?04:27
dennisteryes, although some are 6X9's04:27
Burgundaviatrue04:27
tonyyarussohttp://yarusso.no-ip.org/files/ubuntu-letter.odt04:28
dennisterbetter than a whole poster or page that ppl on street won't want to accept04:28
tonyyarussoThat's my most recent draft.04:28
tonyyarussoPrint both pages front-and-back on the same sheet for folding and including with CDs you hand out or leave places.04:28
Burgundaviabest thing is to start mocking up something in OO.o, inkscape or scribus04:29
dennisteram downloading04:29
Burgundaviaand then start asking for feedback04:29
tonyyarussoPrint just Page 2 for placement next to the CD Stand (DIY wiki or mirrored on the same subdirectory on my server).04:29
Madpilottonyyarusso, we're about to cook your server :)04:29
tonyyarussoMadpilot: Sounds like fun!04:29
Madpilot3.1Mb for one odt? Wow.04:30
tonyyarussoIt's a 1.70 GHz / 512 MB RAM on a cable connection, so I'm probably okayish.04:30
tonyyarussoMadpilot: Page 1 is a massive image.04:30
tonyyarussoGot that from jenda a while back.04:30
dennisterbut back to the point: people on street are more willing to accept a postcard from ur hand cause they feel you're not lecturing them as much04:30
MadpilotHanZo's poster or mine?04:30
tonyyarussoMadpilot: I have no idea who it originated with.04:31
tonyyarussoTake a look and see for yourself.04:31
tonyyarussoThe text on page 2 is mine though.04:31
Madpilotah, that one. Jenda did that, I remember proofreading it for him04:32
tonyyarusso(With much appreciated feedback in the process of developing it)04:32
Burgundaviaright, lots of text is a bad thing04:32
dennisternice tonyyarusso04:32
Burgundaviapeople's eyes glaze over04:32
tonyyarussoBurgundavia: I believe that was your feedback the first time04:32
tonyyarussoThat's why this notecard this is great04:32
Burgundaviaprobably04:32
Madpilottonyyarusso, to start with, loose 2/3rds of the text :)04:32
tonyyarussoHowever, it does serve some purpose.04:32
Burgundaviatext is good, but in order to get them hooked, you need a simple idea04:33
dennisterpeople are always trying to push newspapers at me on street...i walk by04:33
tonyyarussoOften the people that have ended up needing that page are already intrigued by the CD stand, and are the types willing to spend a few minutes reading.04:33
Burgundaviasomething colourful, with few words, is going to catch peoples eye04:33
dennistercause i know that's the first step, their next step is to ask for $04:33
tonyyarussoIt's not a "hook", it's an explanation.04:33
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tonyyarussoWhen I distrib. CDs, I fold it with the colorful side out, that way if they don't read page 2 it's fine.04:33
tonyyarussoThe ones that want more than catchy taglines though, can get it still.04:34
Burgundaviathere is another issue, in that the first page is a graphic04:35
dennisterok, this is good for cd stands, i want a postcard thingy to distribute on street prior to an installfest04:35
dennistersomething ppl will put on their fridge04:35
Burgundaviathe front page of a postcard should be solid coloured, with a few words04:35
Burgundaviasomething to grab their eye04:35
dennisterexactly04:35
Burgundaviaback page has 4 or 5 bullet points decribed why Ubuntu rocks04:35
Burgundaviaand our website04:36
dennisteror about the event itself, time, location, etc.04:36
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Burgundaviaor that04:36
Burgundaviano beer. Hmm, store is still open04:36
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BurgundaviaMadpilot: you need to move to a more sensible place in the city04:36
dennisterMadpilot: check out maple leaf ubuntu flower on ubuntutoronto.org04:36
dennisterneeds to make antoher pot of coffee04:37
Burgundaviadennister: the ubuntu-ca logo? it is Madpilot's design04:37
Madpilotdennister, you mean the graphic in the top-left corner? I created that :)04:37
dennisteroh, lordy...wonderful!04:37
dennisterperfect...i didn't know04:38
dennisteri'd been staring at it enuf when i was writing content for our site04:38
dennisterno wonder it reminded me of canadian maple leaf , lol04:38
Madpilotglad you like it04:38
dennistergood work :)04:39
Burgundaviahttp://www.advogato.org/person/Burgundavia/diary.html?start=8204:39
dennisterno wonder i got agreement on talking tech less, and human issues more04:40
dennisteri have a lot of technophobes around me04:41
BurgundaviaI sell to them everyday04:41
dennisteryes, ur a computer salesperson04:41
Burgundaviato public libraries04:41
dennisteri've done that...was also an IT headhunter/recruiter04:42
Burgundaviawho don't really understand tech04:42
tonyyarussoLibraries are awful that way.04:42
tonyyarussoThe admins of the one in Thunder Bay hadn't installed USB drivers for Win 98 yet.04:42
dennisteryes, they are...but so is my son and some of the volunteers i work with04:42
dennisterbut i got their sigs on the digital-copyright petition04:43
tonyyarussocool04:43
dennister:)04:43
MadpilotLibrarians generally grok copyright issues fairly well04:43
dennistermy mp is jack layton, so I'll try to get him during xmas break04:43
dennisteryes, they do understand the perils of copyright revision...but our corporate counsel didn't04:44
tonyyarussodennister: I wish my MP was that cool.04:44
dennisterand we're publishers...:(04:44
dennisterhe just thought it would never happen04:44
somerville32Jack Layton is so cool :)04:44
dennisteryes, he is04:44
dennisteri hate where i live, but don't want to move out of his riding04:45
dennisteranyway, back to topic04:45
dennisterif i can get some volunteers to man the table at the cute conference, can we get cd's and other marketing material ready in time?04:46
Madpilotdennister, what were those dates again?04:46
dennisterJan 11-1304:46
dennisterour ubuntu-toronto meeting is this wed, dec. 13th04:48
dennisterwhat can i do to konversation to get rid of lag, and stay connected?04:51
Burgundaviatry another client?04:52
Burgundaviait is likely your connection04:53
dennisterk, will try other apps, cause this is driving me nuts04:53
Burgundaviairssi is installed by default, but is cli only04:54
dennisteryou've got the dates, r we done here? shall we move to ubuntu-ca?04:54
Burgundaviasure04:55
dennisteri'll be there as soon as i've got another client configured04:55
dennistercya in a bit then04:55
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atoponcewoot! just joined the mailing list05:02
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Burgundaviawhich one?05:03
atoponceubuntu-marketing05:03
atoponceright one, no?05:04
tonyyarussoYep05:04
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cellofellowI found some typos in the SVG Flyer files that were announced in the mailing list. How do I submit the changed files?05:30
tonyyarussocellofellow: Upload them somewhere and make a post about it.  People will take your changes if they like them.05:38
cellofellowok05:38
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somerville32Burgundavia, Wanna work on UWN24 now?06:08
Burgundaviawatching BG. Just a sec06:08
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somerville32I'm going to have to go to bed here soon ;] 06:32
Burgundaviaalright, alright06:33
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Burgundaviaalright, looks good, save the mark stuff until next week06:39
rjianwhats the topic here?06:39
BurgundaviaUWN 2406:40
rjianBurgundavia: ah ok...06:40
somerville32Whats the passwd?06:42
somerville32ufl@ftw ?06:42
Burgundaviayep06:42
Burgundaviagot a huge number of initial revisions to sort through06:42
Burgundaviashould i dump the general stuff up so you guys can pick through it06:43
Burgundavia?06:43
somerville32Sure.06:43
Burgundaviadumping06:44
Burgundaviadone06:45
Burgundaviadig in06:45
Burgundaviaelkbuntu: you up for some hacking?06:45
Burgundaviasomerville32: did you see last weeks format?06:45
somerville32I helped write last week :P06:46
rjianBurgundavia: can i write about FOSS thing?06:46
Burgundaviarjian: which one?06:46
Burgundaviasomerville32: I never remember06:46
rjianBurgundavia: any FOSS article happening.. 06:46
Burgundaviafor 25 maybe06:47
Burgundaviahtere is a nice newsforge article about producing art for xuubntu06:47
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poningruhehe07:13
Burgundaviaponingru: want to be drafted?07:16
elkbuntuBurgundavia, uwn?07:16
Burgundaviayep07:16
Burgundaviafeisty changes07:16
BurgundaviaI am doing the debian section07:16
poningrusure07:18
poningrucoming07:18
Burgundaviaexcellent07:18
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poningruok what are we doing?07:21
Burgundaviasee the giant dumb in the changes section?07:22
Burgundaviasame as last week07:22
Burgundaviamgalvin: , long time, no see07:22
poningruah ok07:22
mgalvinBurgundavia: hey man, yea, hi07:22
poningruyou know I emailed armstrong she hasnt emailed me back yet at all07:22
mgalvinbeen busy at work trying to get some things done before the end of the year07:23
Burgundaviashe is busy07:23
Burgundaviayou coming back to join us?07:23
mgalvini keep trying to, maybe this time i should say anything and maybe I will actually get to ;)07:24
mgalvinrather, should not 07:24
mgalvini should be around a bit though hopefully07:24
Burgundaviawe miss ya07:25
BurgundaviaI mean, we miss the work you do :)07:25
Burgundaviaponingru: need help getting started?07:26
mgalvinah, i miss you guys too ;) i do miss hanging around... i should be able to get back to doing some stuff anyway07:26
poningruhehe naah finding the changes07:27
poningrugrr brb07:27
mgalvini will have to hang around a bit and ease back into the hustle and bustle07:27
Burgundaviawant to do some work tonight?07:29
poningrudo we wanna do lm-sensors?07:39
poningruI mean thats just the hardware detection stuff... not much07:39
poningrudeleting07:40
poningruBurgundavia^^07:40
poningruuh everything ok?07:40
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Burgundaviayep07:41
Burgundaviajust me07:41
Burgundaviathat is fine07:41
Burgundaviatrust your gut on what people care about07:42
Burgundaviaok, formattting question07:44
poningrumhmm07:44
Burgundaviasee the first four auto syncs from debian07:44
Burgundaviais that a more readable format than below it?07:45
poningruyeah it is07:45
elkbuntumuch07:45
pschulz01How do I submit some stuff for the DIY website?07:45
poningruI like the first four better 07:45
Burgundaviapschulz01: not yet up07:45
poningrupschulz01: you should probably wait till its done07:45
elkbuntupschulz01, poke jenda or danbuch07:45
poningru;)07:45
Burgundaviapschulz01: if you want to get it out there, attach it to DIYUbuntu on the wiki07:45
pschulz01OK :-)... 07:45
elkbuntuBurgundavia, i just realised... when those  lines get wrapped, it's oging to make them an awful mess...07:46
Burgundaviayep07:46
Burgundavialets see what it does07:46
Burgundaviaeasy to revert and tweak07:47
elkbuntuyep07:47
elkbuntuwant me to copy out and mail to you?07:47
Burgundaviayep07:47
elkbuntusent07:49
Burgundaviahmm, doesn't look too bad, but bouncing back07:49
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Burgundaviaelkbuntu: ping08:09
elkbuntupong08:09
Burgundaviajust to make certain, I have finished the radvd section08:09
elkbuntui can see that08:10
Burgundaviajust making certain you were not heads into a web search08:10
elkbuntuno, i was at that point when i asked08:10
elkbuntui started down the bottom, then poningru took over down there, so i went up top, and you werre there,, im in the middle now08:10
Burgundaviaheh08:10
BurgundaviaI am at the bottom now08:10
elkbuntuif you can find info for control-center, go for it08:11
BurgundaviaI know what it is08:13
Burgundaviaelkbuntu: ping08:42
elkbuntupong08:42
Burgundaviaelkbuntu: thanks. my entire IRC client is dead08:42
Burgundaviaie: there is no activity on any channel08:42
Burgundaviawhich usually means my net has died, but my streaming music is still playing08:43
poningruI am sooo sorry guys I just have to go to sleep08:47
poningruI just finished up a large ass paper08:47
poningruand I am very very tired08:47
poningru:(08:47
poningruI just finished proofing it08:47
poningrunn08:47
Burgundaviano worries08:47
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Burgundaviabloody compiz08:56
tonyyarussoYou're still at that?08:58
tonyyarussoWow.  Dedication.08:58
MadpilotBurgundavia, why are you still torturing yourself w/ the spinny cube?08:58
Burgundaviabecause I can, dammit08:59
Madpilotfreak09:02
Burgundaviaelkbuntu: I am pretty tired and am about to head to bed09:21
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elkbuntudrat10:30
elkbuntuone second too late10:30
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tonyyarussoelkbuntu: or perhaps not10:34
elkbuntudrat, and i was just messing with my lincity-ng game10:35
Burgundaviawondering if I had left?10:36
elkbuntuthought you had. you did say you were going to bed10:36
Burgundaviaalmost10:37
elkbuntuBurgundavia, is the kurdish thing fixed up to your satisfaction now?10:43
elkbuntuhmm... it doesnt seem to ahve changed since i dumped it...10:43
mgalvinBurgundavia: are there any other feisty changes you wanted to add to UWN 24?10:47
elkbuntumgalvin, those are not complete yet, some need wording out still10:47
mgalvinelkbuntu: yea, i know, i was going to take a crack at them now (if no one else is?)10:48
elkbuntumgalvin, go for it10:48
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elkbuntuif for any of them you cant find anything that resembles a changelog, scrap it10:49
mgalvinok10:49
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jendapschulz01: Don't worry, your leaflet will be included in the site.11:30
jendaI might even have a few... hundred... printed...11:30
tsmithewhere's the link11:33
tsmithe?11:33
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pschulz01jenda: Ta :-)12:50
pschulz01tsmithe: My link?12:52
tsmitheyup12:53
pschulz01http://community.mawsonlakes.org/ubuntu12:53
jenda12:53
pschulz01elkbuntu: Ping?12:58
elkbuntupschulz01, pong12:59
elkbuntucool01:00
pschulz01elkbuntu: Have you had any thoughs re. promotional stuff for LCA open day?01:00
tsmitheah so that was your leaflet01:00
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tsmitheand sorry for my idiotic email01:00
jenda01:00
pschulz01tsmithe: Thats ok! as long as you don't mind me just be a little bit amused..01:01
tsmithei don't mind01:01
pschulz01.. its the sort of thing I do.01:01
tsmithewell01:01
pschulz01.. have done.01:01
tsmithei completely understand01:02
pschulz01:-)01:02
elkbuntupschulz01, not yet.01:02
pschulz01elkbuntu: What else do we need? Should i bring my blow up emperor pengiun? or can we source one locally :-)01:03
pschulz01http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/gallery/2006/oceania/au/adelaide/mawsonlakes?webnail=bill-with-laptop&action=show01:06
pschulz01elkbuntu: Any ideas how big the stand/stall is?01:08
elkbuntupschulz01, no idea if it even has electricity or internet yet. no idea if it's even confirmed.01:09
pschulz01elkbuntu: let me know what I can go.. I can prepare material over Christmas..01:10
pschulz01s/go/do/01:10
elkbuntupschulz01, bimberi wants to get a heap of the posters printed off. he wants to laminate all of them or something, but i think that's a bit overzealous01:11
elkbuntuhe's the only other person to reply to my mail so far01:12
pschulz01elkbuntu: If we had a budget that would make sense, if it could go into a kit to be used elseware..01:13
elkbuntuswag bags will probably be brown paper bags (if we can source decent ones) with cds, stickers, the leaflet, ubuntu-au contact info, and an a4 poster.01:15
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pschulz01elkbuntu: Screen some Ubuntu logo's on them.. fanltastic!01:17
elkbuntupschulz01, yep :)01:17
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jendapschulz01: can you link me to your brochure again, pls?07:58
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MenZajenda: http://community.mawsonlakes.org/ubuntu08:18
jendahehe08:18
jendaIt seems the printer guy got seriously annoyed with me :)08:18
somerville32What about Xubuntu?08:19
somerville32I don't see Xubuntu on the thinger08:19
jendaHe doesn't grasp the fact that I'm a volunteer and do it for the love of the project, and therefore won't rejoice about his great offer if it doesn't coincide with my plans... and that I might just decide that I don't know just yet :)08:20
jendasomerville32: Xubuntu ain't official.08:20
somerville32It is to08:20
somerville32*too08:20
somerville32Xubuntu is an official sister project just like Edubuntu or Kubuntu08:20
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jendaok, whatever you say :)08:22
jendaWhy doesn't shipit ship it, then?08:22
somerville32It will be for the next LTS :P08:22
MenZa:O08:22
jendaok :)08:23
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tsmithejenda: which printer guy? posters?08:41
jendanah, a guy I met on the Lin Weekend - he was interested in doing this stuff commercially.08:41
tsmitheaaah08:42
jendaHe's slovakian, and we obviously had some miscommunication :)08:42
tsmithei've gotta get my bip backlog to be longer08:42
jendabip ftw ;)08:42
tsmitheyeah!!08:42
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jenda08:43
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