[12:18] <pschulz01> Ping?
[12:19] <MenZa> PONG!
[12:19] <MenZa> hai jenda
[12:19] <MenZa> :D
[12:19] <jenda> 
[12:21] <pschulz01> MenZa: I have redone the original Ubuntu leaklet in Inkscape.. details http://community.mawsonlakes.org/ubuntu/
[12:21] <MenZa> :O
[12:21] <pschulz01> I'll send an email to the mailing list, but I though I'd let you guys know forst..
[12:21] <pschulz01> first.
[12:22] <pschulz01> It would be good If it can make it to the diy website.
[12:23] <MenZa> I like the first one
[12:23] <pschulz01> MenZa: They are for printing back to back.
[12:23] <MenZa> So I figured
[12:23] <pschulz01> :-)
[12:24] <pschulz01> .. but that can be tricky.. I managed to print the inside upside down.. the first time.
[12:24] <pschulz01> (Does that make any sense?)
[12:33] <jenda> pong?
[12:33] <jenda> hmm
[12:34] <jenda> pschulz01: you don't happen to have preview pngs?
[12:35] <pschulz01> jenda: How big?
[12:36] <MenZa> jenda: http://www.flickr.com/photos/menza/318127440/
[12:36] <jenda> big enough for the text to be comfortable readable?
[12:36] <jenda> MenZa: you owe me a coffee.
[12:36] <pschulz01> Is that a 'preview' though?
[12:37] <MenZa> jenda: :D
[12:38] <jenda> pschulz01: I can have a look at it when you link me, so yes, it's a preview.
[12:38] <jenda> It's not a thumbnail.
[12:38] <jenda> with the above, I have to follow the link, follow two more, and then download, open in an external app :)
[12:38] <MenZa> jenda: liek d00d
[12:38] <MenZa> Firefox can display SVGs
[12:38] <MenZa> Why bother?
[12:38] <MenZa> :D
[12:39] <jenda> It can? Not really.
[12:39] <MenZa> Provided you have the right fonts and stuff
[12:40] <pschulz01> How's that... png's in directory.
[12:40] <jenda> pschulz01++ :)
[12:40] <jenda> thanks :)
[12:41] <jenda> I like that.
[12:41] <pschulz01> Be back later...
[12:42] <jenda> pschulz01: I think I might be printing a few hundred of those.
[12:57] <MenZa> jenda, pschulz01, will you guys do me a small favour?
[12:57] <jenda> No.
[12:57] <MenZa> :o
[12:58] <MenZa> http://2006.weblogawards.org/2006/12/best_centrist_blog.php <- vote for Homeland Stupidity ;)
[12:58] <jenda> Just the term has me rofling.
[12:58] <jenda> MenZa: got a link to it?
[12:59] <MenZa> http://ioerror.us
[01:00] <jenda> MenZa: in one sentence, why is it the best blog? :)
[01:00] <MenZa> It's not.
[01:00] <jenda> ah.
[01:00] <MenZa> But I get space food if I get enough votes.
[01:00] <MenZa> xD
[01:00] <jenda> Ah, that answers the question ok :)
[01:00] <MenZa> XD
[01:07] <jenda> sigh
[01:07] <MenZa> lol
[01:14] <jenda> hello
[01:14] <jenda> Anyone interested in a few Czech Ubuntu t-shirts?
[01:14] <jenda> No one wants to buy them here :)
[01:15] <MenZa> #ubuntu-cz :D?
[01:18] <jenda> seriously, no one does :)
[01:44] <somerville32> Burgundavia, Are we going to get UWN24 released tonight?
[01:44] <Burgundavia> yep
[01:45] <somerville32> Burgundavia, Also, as you may know, I'm applying for membership. Would you be able to come out and say a few words as a reference at the upcoming cc?
[01:46] <Burgundavia> yep
[01:46] <somerville32> Awesome. Thanks :] 
[01:48] <tonyyarusso> (Do we know anything about Seveas' question of whether they would do memberships?  I see no replies to it on the wiki page.)
[01:49] <Burgundavia> no idea
[01:49] <Burgundavia> I have several people from -marketing/-ca up for membership, including you two
[04:24] <tonyyarusso> Give me a sec and I'll link y'all to the sheet I put together.
[04:24] <Burgundavia> kylevan: there currently isn't much "official'
[04:24] <Burgundavia> Canonical is working on case studies and handouts, but we need to work on some as well
[04:25] <kylevan> gotcha, just the stuff from the DIYMarketing wiki so far?
[04:25] <Burgundavia> yep
[04:25] <Burgundavia> that is going to become a website soonish
[04:26] <Burgundavia> dennister: you were talking about a quarter page thingy?
[04:26] <dennister> yes, postcard-eight, too
[04:27] <dennister> weight, i mean
[04:27] <Burgundavia> those are roughly the same size, no?
[04:27] <dennister> yes, although some are 6X9's
[04:27] <Burgundavia> true
[04:28] <tonyyarusso> http://yarusso.no-ip.org/files/ubuntu-letter.odt
[04:28] <dennister> better than a whole poster or page that ppl on street won't want to accept
[04:28] <tonyyarusso> That's my most recent draft.
[04:28] <tonyyarusso> Print both pages front-and-back on the same sheet for folding and including with CDs you hand out or leave places.
[04:29] <Burgundavia> best thing is to start mocking up something in OO.o, inkscape or scribus
[04:29] <dennister> am downloading
[04:29] <Burgundavia> and then start asking for feedback
[04:29] <tonyyarusso> Print just Page 2 for placement next to the CD Stand (DIY wiki or mirrored on the same subdirectory on my server).
[04:29] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, we're about to cook your server :)
[04:29] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Sounds like fun!
[04:30] <Madpilot> 3.1Mb for one odt? Wow.
[04:30] <tonyyarusso> It's a 1.70 GHz / 512 MB RAM on a cable connection, so I'm probably okayish.
[04:30] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Page 1 is a massive image.
[04:30] <tonyyarusso> Got that from jenda a while back.
[04:30] <dennister> but back to the point: people on street are more willing to accept a postcard from ur hand cause they feel you're not lecturing them as much
[04:30] <Madpilot> HanZo's poster or mine?
[04:31] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: I have no idea who it originated with.
[04:31] <tonyyarusso> Take a look and see for yourself.
[04:31] <tonyyarusso> The text on page 2 is mine though.
[04:32] <Madpilot> ah, that one. Jenda did that, I remember proofreading it for him
[04:32] <tonyyarusso> (With much appreciated feedback in the process of developing it)
[04:32] <Burgundavia> right, lots of text is a bad thing
[04:32] <dennister> nice tonyyarusso
[04:32] <Burgundavia> people's eyes glaze over
[04:32] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: I believe that was your feedback the first time
[04:32] <tonyyarusso> That's why this notecard this is great
[04:32] <Burgundavia> probably
[04:32] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, to start with, loose 2/3rds of the text :)
[04:32] <tonyyarusso> However, it does serve some purpose.
[04:33] <Burgundavia> text is good, but in order to get them hooked, you need a simple idea
[04:33] <dennister> people are always trying to push newspapers at me on street...i walk by
[04:33] <tonyyarusso> Often the people that have ended up needing that page are already intrigued by the CD stand, and are the types willing to spend a few minutes reading.
[04:33] <Burgundavia> something colourful, with few words, is going to catch peoples eye
[04:33] <dennister> cause i know that's the first step, their next step is to ask for $
[04:33] <tonyyarusso> It's not a "hook", it's an explanation.
[04:33] <tonyyarusso> When I distrib. CDs, I fold it with the colorful side out, that way if they don't read page 2 it's fine.
[04:34] <tonyyarusso> The ones that want more than catchy taglines though, can get it still.
[04:35] <Burgundavia> there is another issue, in that the first page is a graphic
[04:35] <dennister> ok, this is good for cd stands, i want a postcard thingy to distribute on street prior to an installfest
[04:35] <dennister> something ppl will put on their fridge
[04:35] <Burgundavia> the front page of a postcard should be solid coloured, with a few words
[04:35] <Burgundavia> something to grab their eye
[04:35] <dennister> exactly
[04:35] <Burgundavia> back page has 4 or 5 bullet points decribed why Ubuntu rocks
[04:36] <Burgundavia> and our website
[04:36] <dennister> or about the event itself, time, location, etc.
[04:36] <Burgundavia> or that
[04:36] <Burgundavia> no beer. Hmm, store is still open
[04:36] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: you need to move to a more sensible place in the city
[04:36] <dennister> Madpilot: check out maple leaf ubuntu flower on ubuntutoronto.org
[04:37] <dennister> needs to make antoher pot of coffee
[04:37] <Burgundavia> dennister: the ubuntu-ca logo? it is Madpilot's design
[04:37] <Madpilot> dennister, you mean the graphic in the top-left corner? I created that :)
[04:37] <dennister> oh, lordy...wonderful!
[04:38] <dennister> perfect...i didn't know
[04:38] <dennister> i'd been staring at it enuf when i was writing content for our site
[04:38] <dennister> no wonder it reminded me of canadian maple leaf , lol
[04:38] <Madpilot> glad you like it
[04:39] <dennister> good work :)
[04:39] <Burgundavia> http://www.advogato.org/person/Burgundavia/diary.html?start=82
[04:40] <dennister> no wonder i got agreement on talking tech less, and human issues more
[04:41] <dennister> i have a lot of technophobes around me
[04:41] <Burgundavia> I sell to them everyday
[04:41] <dennister> yes, ur a computer salesperson
[04:41] <Burgundavia> to public libraries
[04:42] <dennister> i've done that...was also an IT headhunter/recruiter
[04:42] <Burgundavia> who don't really understand tech
[04:42] <tonyyarusso> Libraries are awful that way.
[04:42] <tonyyarusso> The admins of the one in Thunder Bay hadn't installed USB drivers for Win 98 yet.
[04:42] <dennister> yes, they are...but so is my son and some of the volunteers i work with
[04:43] <dennister> but i got their sigs on the digital-copyright petition
[04:43] <tonyyarusso> cool
[04:43] <dennister> :)
[04:43] <Madpilot> Librarians generally grok copyright issues fairly well
[04:43] <dennister> my mp is jack layton, so I'll try to get him during xmas break
[04:44] <dennister> yes, they do understand the perils of copyright revision...but our corporate counsel didn't
[04:44] <tonyyarusso> dennister: I wish my MP was that cool.
[04:44] <dennister> and we're publishers...:(
[04:44] <dennister> he just thought it would never happen
[04:44] <somerville32> Jack Layton is so cool :)
[04:44] <dennister> yes, he is
[04:45] <dennister> i hate where i live, but don't want to move out of his riding
[04:45] <dennister> anyway, back to topic
[04:46] <dennister> if i can get some volunteers to man the table at the cute conference, can we get cd's and other marketing material ready in time?
[04:46] <Madpilot> dennister, what were those dates again?
[04:46] <dennister> Jan 11-13
[04:48] <dennister> our ubuntu-toronto meeting is this wed, dec. 13th
[04:51] <dennister> what can i do to konversation to get rid of lag, and stay connected?
[04:52] <Burgundavia> try another client?
[04:53] <Burgundavia> it is likely your connection
[04:53] <dennister> k, will try other apps, cause this is driving me nuts
[04:54] <Burgundavia> irssi is installed by default, but is cli only
[04:54] <dennister> you've got the dates, r we done here? shall we move to ubuntu-ca?
[04:55] <Burgundavia> sure
[04:55] <dennister> i'll be there as soon as i've got another client configured
[04:55] <dennister> cya in a bit then
[05:02] <atoponce> woot! just joined the mailing list
[05:03] <Burgundavia> which one?
[05:03] <atoponce> ubuntu-marketing
[05:04] <atoponce> right one, no?
[05:04] <tonyyarusso> Yep
[05:30] <cellofellow> I found some typos in the SVG Flyer files that were announced in the mailing list. How do I submit the changed files?
[05:38] <tonyyarusso> cellofellow: Upload them somewhere and make a post about it.  People will take your changes if they like them.
[05:38] <cellofellow> ok
[06:08] <somerville32> Burgundavia, Wanna work on UWN24 now?
[06:08] <Burgundavia> watching BG. Just a sec
[06:32] <somerville32> I'm going to have to go to bed here soon ;] 
[06:33] <Burgundavia> alright, alright
[06:39] <Burgundavia> alright, looks good, save the mark stuff until next week
[06:39] <rjian> whats the topic here?
[06:40] <Burgundavia> UWN 24
[06:40] <rjian> Burgundavia: ah ok...
[06:42] <somerville32> Whats the passwd?
[06:42] <somerville32> ufl@ftw ?
[06:42] <Burgundavia> yep
[06:42] <Burgundavia> got a huge number of initial revisions to sort through
[06:43] <Burgundavia> should i dump the general stuff up so you guys can pick through it
[06:43] <Burgundavia> ?
[06:43] <somerville32> Sure.
[06:44] <Burgundavia> dumping
[06:45] <Burgundavia> done
[06:45] <Burgundavia> dig in
[06:45] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: you up for some hacking?
[06:45] <Burgundavia> somerville32: did you see last weeks format?
[06:46] <somerville32> I helped write last week :P
[06:46] <rjian> Burgundavia: can i write about FOSS thing?
[06:46] <Burgundavia> rjian: which one?
[06:46] <Burgundavia> somerville32: I never remember
[06:46] <rjian> Burgundavia: any FOSS article happening.. 
[06:47] <Burgundavia> for 25 maybe
[06:47] <Burgundavia> htere is a nice newsforge article about producing art for xuubntu
[07:13] <poningru> hehe
[07:16] <Burgundavia> poningru: want to be drafted?
[07:16] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, uwn?
[07:16] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:16] <Burgundavia> feisty changes
[07:16] <Burgundavia> I am doing the debian section
[07:18] <poningru> sure
[07:18] <poningru> coming
[07:18] <Burgundavia> excellent
[07:21] <poningru> ok what are we doing?
[07:22] <Burgundavia> see the giant dumb in the changes section?
[07:22] <Burgundavia> same as last week
[07:22] <Burgundavia> mgalvin: , long time, no see
[07:22] <poningru> ah ok
[07:22] <mgalvin> Burgundavia: hey man, yea, hi
[07:22] <poningru> you know I emailed armstrong she hasnt emailed me back yet at all
[07:23] <mgalvin> been busy at work trying to get some things done before the end of the year
[07:23] <Burgundavia> she is busy
[07:23] <Burgundavia> you coming back to join us?
[07:24] <mgalvin> i keep trying to, maybe this time i should say anything and maybe I will actually get to ;)
[07:24] <mgalvin> rather, should not 
[07:24] <mgalvin> i should be around a bit though hopefully
[07:25] <Burgundavia> we miss ya
[07:25] <Burgundavia> I mean, we miss the work you do :)
[07:26] <Burgundavia> poningru: need help getting started?
[07:26] <mgalvin> ah, i miss you guys too ;) i do miss hanging around... i should be able to get back to doing some stuff anyway
[07:27] <poningru> hehe naah finding the changes
[07:27] <poningru> grr brb
[07:27] <mgalvin> i will have to hang around a bit and ease back into the hustle and bustle
[07:29] <Burgundavia> want to do some work tonight?
[07:39] <poningru> do we wanna do lm-sensors?
[07:39] <poningru> I mean thats just the hardware detection stuff... not much
[07:40] <poningru> deleting
[07:40] <poningru> Burgundavia^^
[07:40] <poningru> uh everything ok?
[07:41] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:41] <Burgundavia> just me
[07:41] <Burgundavia> that is fine
[07:42] <Burgundavia> trust your gut on what people care about
[07:44] <Burgundavia> ok, formattting question
[07:44] <poningru> mhmm
[07:44] <Burgundavia> see the first four auto syncs from debian
[07:45] <Burgundavia> is that a more readable format than below it?
[07:45] <poningru> yeah it is
[07:45] <elkbuntu> much
[07:45] <pschulz01> How do I submit some stuff for the DIY website?
[07:45] <poningru> I like the first four better 
[07:45] <Burgundavia> pschulz01: not yet up
[07:45] <poningru> pschulz01: you should probably wait till its done
[07:45] <elkbuntu> pschulz01, poke jenda or danbuch
[07:45] <poningru> ;)
[07:45] <Burgundavia> pschulz01: if you want to get it out there, attach it to DIYUbuntu on the wiki
[07:45] <pschulz01> OK :-)... 
[07:46] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, i just realised... when those  lines get wrapped, it's oging to make them an awful mess...
[07:46] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:46] <Burgundavia> lets see what it does
[07:47] <Burgundavia> easy to revert and tweak
[07:47] <elkbuntu> yep
[07:47] <elkbuntu> want me to copy out and mail to you?
[07:47] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:49] <elkbuntu> sent
[07:49] <Burgundavia> hmm, doesn't look too bad, but bouncing back
[08:09] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: ping
[08:09] <elkbuntu> pong
[08:09] <Burgundavia> just to make certain, I have finished the radvd section
[08:10] <elkbuntu> i can see that
[08:10] <Burgundavia> just making certain you were not heads into a web search
[08:10] <elkbuntu> no, i was at that point when i asked
[08:10] <elkbuntu> i started down the bottom, then poningru took over down there, so i went up top, and you werre there,, im in the middle now
[08:10] <Burgundavia> heh
[08:10] <Burgundavia> I am at the bottom now
[08:11] <elkbuntu> if you can find info for control-center, go for it
[08:13] <Burgundavia> I know what it is
[08:42] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: ping
[08:42] <elkbuntu> pong
[08:42] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: thanks. my entire IRC client is dead
[08:42] <Burgundavia> ie: there is no activity on any channel
[08:43] <Burgundavia> which usually means my net has died, but my streaming music is still playing
[08:47] <poningru> I am sooo sorry guys I just have to go to sleep
[08:47] <poningru> I just finished up a large ass paper
[08:47] <poningru> and I am very very tired
[08:47] <poningru> :(
[08:47] <poningru> I just finished proofing it
[08:47] <poningru> nn
[08:47] <Burgundavia> no worries
[08:56] <Burgundavia> bloody compiz
[08:58] <tonyyarusso> You're still at that?
[08:58] <tonyyarusso> Wow.  Dedication.
[08:58] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, why are you still torturing yourself w/ the spinny cube?
[08:59] <Burgundavia> because I can, dammit
[09:02] <Madpilot> freak
[09:21] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: I am pretty tired and am about to head to bed
[10:30] <elkbuntu> drat
[10:30] <elkbuntu> one second too late
[10:34] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: or perhaps not
[10:35] <elkbuntu> drat, and i was just messing with my lincity-ng game
[10:36] <Burgundavia> wondering if I had left?
[10:36] <elkbuntu> thought you had. you did say you were going to bed
[10:37] <Burgundavia> almost
[10:43] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, is the kurdish thing fixed up to your satisfaction now?
[10:43] <elkbuntu> hmm... it doesnt seem to ahve changed since i dumped it...
[10:47] <mgalvin> Burgundavia: are there any other feisty changes you wanted to add to UWN 24?
[10:47] <elkbuntu> mgalvin, those are not complete yet, some need wording out still
[10:48] <mgalvin> elkbuntu: yea, i know, i was going to take a crack at them now (if no one else is?)
[10:48] <elkbuntu> mgalvin, go for it
[10:49] <elkbuntu> if for any of them you cant find anything that resembles a changelog, scrap it
[10:49] <mgalvin> ok
[11:30] <jenda> pschulz01: Don't worry, your leaflet will be included in the site.
[11:30] <jenda> I might even have a few... hundred... printed...
[11:33] <tsmithe> where's the link
[11:33] <tsmithe> ?
[12:50] <pschulz01> jenda: Ta :-)
[12:52] <pschulz01> tsmithe: My link?
[12:53] <tsmithe> yup
[12:53] <pschulz01> http://community.mawsonlakes.org/ubuntu
[12:53] <jenda> 
[12:58] <pschulz01> elkbuntu: Ping?
[12:59] <elkbuntu> pschulz01, pong
[01:00] <elkbuntu> cool
[01:00] <pschulz01> elkbuntu: Have you had any thoughs re. promotional stuff for LCA open day?
[01:00] <tsmithe> ah so that was your leaflet
[01:00] <tsmithe> and sorry for my idiotic email
[01:00] <jenda> 
[01:01] <pschulz01> tsmithe: Thats ok! as long as you don't mind me just be a little bit amused..
[01:01] <tsmithe> i don't mind
[01:01] <pschulz01> .. its the sort of thing I do.
[01:01] <tsmithe> well
[01:01] <pschulz01> .. have done.
[01:02] <tsmithe> i completely understand
[01:02] <pschulz01> :-)
[01:02] <elkbuntu> pschulz01, not yet.
[01:03] <pschulz01> elkbuntu: What else do we need? Should i bring my blow up emperor pengiun? or can we source one locally :-)
[01:06] <pschulz01> http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/gallery/2006/oceania/au/adelaide/mawsonlakes?webnail=bill-with-laptop&action=show
[01:08] <pschulz01> elkbuntu: Any ideas how big the stand/stall is?
[01:09] <elkbuntu> pschulz01, no idea if it even has electricity or internet yet. no idea if it's even confirmed.
[01:10] <pschulz01> elkbuntu: let me know what I can go.. I can prepare material over Christmas..
[01:10] <pschulz01> s/go/do/
[01:11] <elkbuntu> pschulz01, bimberi wants to get a heap of the posters printed off. he wants to laminate all of them or something, but i think that's a bit overzealous
[01:12] <elkbuntu> he's the only other person to reply to my mail so far
[01:13] <pschulz01> elkbuntu: If we had a budget that would make sense, if it could go into a kit to be used elseware..
[01:15] <elkbuntu> swag bags will probably be brown paper bags (if we can source decent ones) with cds, stickers, the leaflet, ubuntu-au contact info, and an a4 poster.
[01:17] <pschulz01> elkbuntu: Screen some Ubuntu logo's on them.. fanltastic!
[01:17] <elkbuntu> pschulz01, yep :)
[07:58] <jenda> pschulz01: can you link me to your brochure again, pls?
[08:18] <MenZa> jenda: http://community.mawsonlakes.org/ubuntu
[08:18] <jenda> hehe
[08:18] <jenda> It seems the printer guy got seriously annoyed with me :)
[08:19] <somerville32> What about Xubuntu?
[08:19] <somerville32> I don't see Xubuntu on the thinger
[08:20] <jenda> He doesn't grasp the fact that I'm a volunteer and do it for the love of the project, and therefore won't rejoice about his great offer if it doesn't coincide with my plans... and that I might just decide that I don't know just yet :)
[08:20] <jenda> somerville32: Xubuntu ain't official.
[08:20] <somerville32> It is to
[08:20] <somerville32> *too
[08:20] <somerville32> Xubuntu is an official sister project just like Edubuntu or Kubuntu
[08:22] <jenda> ok, whatever you say :)
[08:22] <jenda> Why doesn't shipit ship it, then?
[08:22] <somerville32> It will be for the next LTS :P
[08:22] <MenZa> :O
[08:23] <jenda> ok :)
[08:41] <tsmithe> jenda: which printer guy? posters?
[08:41] <jenda> nah, a guy I met on the Lin Weekend - he was interested in doing this stuff commercially.
[08:42] <tsmithe> aaah
[08:42] <jenda> He's slovakian, and we obviously had some miscommunication :)
[08:42] <tsmithe> i've gotta get my bip backlog to be longer
[08:42] <jenda> bip ftw ;)
[08:42] <tsmithe> yeah!!
[08:43] <jenda>