[02:01] <mruiz> ping nixternal
[03:02] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: Care to declare the agenda for reference?  (yeah, it's in the e-mail, but hey)
[03:02] <Burgundavia> yep, in a sec
[03:02] <tonyyarusso> 'k
[03:02] <lifeless> meetings on a sunday ?
[03:02] <lifeless> dedication
[03:02] <tonyyarusso> lifeless: Saturday here
[03:03] <lifeless> which meeting ?
[03:03] <Madpilot> Ubuntu Canada
[03:03] <lifeless> cool
[03:03] <lifeless> if not freezing :)
[03:03] <dennister> howdy felow canucks
[03:03] <Burgundavia> lifeless: we are the crazy volunteers, not the crazy employed
[03:03] <Madpilot> hi dennister
[03:04] <Burgundavia> well, lets get going
[03:04] <Burgundavia> hopefully lophyte will come
[03:04] <Burgundavia> welcome to the first Ubuntu Canada meeting
[03:04] <Burgundavia> I hope to get this going on a monthly basis
[03:04] <Burgundavia> first things first: is there somebody that will write up notes afterward?
[03:05] <Burgundavia> do I have to delegate somebody? :)
[03:05] <Burgundavia> right, Madpilot: welcome to your new job
[03:05] <dennister> not everyone at once, pls :)
[03:05] <Burgundavia> you cannot object, you are family
[03:05] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, fine, but you're evil
[03:05] <Burgundavia> alright, the agenda:
[03:05] <Burgundavia> 1. Introductions
[03:05] <Burgundavia> 2. Getting ubuntu membership, how the locoteam can help
[03:05] <Burgundavia> 3. Existing subgroups and projects
[03:05] <Burgundavia> 4. New projects
[03:05] <Burgundavia> 5. Partnerships with existing Linux/FLOSS orgs
[03:06] <Burgundavia> item 1: introductions: please state your name and where you live
[03:06] <somerville32> Cody A.W. Somerville from Fredericton, New Brunswick
[03:06] <dennister> Cathy Martens, Toronto
[03:07] <stryderjzw> Justin Wong, Vancouver, BC
[03:07] <jamonation> Jamon Camisso, Toronto, ON
[03:07] <Burgundavia> anybody else?
[03:08] <Burgundavia> welcome bhearsum
[03:08] <bhearsum> heya
[03:08] <Burgundavia> would you mind introducing yourself?
[03:09] <Burgundavia> we are missing a few, including lophyte, Dave Sullivan, from Toronto, rexbron, from Toronto and robitaille, from Victoria
[03:09] <Burgundavia> alright, next topic: who here is not an Ubuntu member?
[03:10] <jamonation> i am not
[03:10] <kylevan> as in registered?
[03:10] <Phoenix7477> not yet lol
[03:10] <bhearsum> i'm not sure what an Ubuntu member is
[03:10] <Madpilot> kylevan, no, Membership is different
[03:10] <dennister> i have a question in regards to memberships
[03:10] <Burgundavia> as in been through the community council
[03:10] <kylevan> then no
[03:10] <tonyyarusso> See the governance page on the ubuntu.com site, and some related wiki pages, if you don't know what it is.
[03:11] <Burgundavia> right, so ubuntu membership allows you a ubuntu.com email addy and you get some high fives
[03:11] <Burgundavia> it is validation for the hard work you have put in
[03:11] <Madpilot> I know both tonyyarusso & somerville32 have applied for membership at the next CC meeting
[03:11] <dennister> i haven't done it yet, as I hate having my email addy in public view (the spam bots) but I'm afraid it already is via the mailing list
[03:11] <dsas> hugs are the usual currency no? ;)
[03:11] <Burgundavia> usually, yes
[03:11] <Madpilot> dsas, more work seems to be the usual reward ;)
[03:12] <dennister> how are we going to encourage membership with this risk to their identity?
[03:12] <Burgundavia> part of my job as leader of the loco team is to get as many of you through the membership process
[03:12] <bhearsum> what is the benefit to being a member? and what are the responsibilities?
[03:12] <Burgundavia> plus currently elkubuntu's AU team is beating me and I cannot have that :)
[03:12] <Madpilot> dennister, is being part of a publicly archived mailing list really such a risk?
[03:12] <bhearsum> lol
[03:12] <Burgundavia> there are currently not responsibilities
[03:12] <Burgundavia> no, rather
[03:12] <Madpilot> bhearsum, it's mostly a recognition thing
[03:13] <bhearsum> ah
[03:13] <Phoenix7477> makes sense
[03:13] <Burgundavia> ubuntu membership is also required for going further as a developer, if you desire
[03:13] <Madpilot> dennister, WRT identity protection, being a member gets you a nice cloak on IRC and stops your IP from being easily visible
[03:13] <Madpilot> run /whois on either Burgundavia or myself, for example
[03:14] <dennister> i had lag here, did ppl see my question?
[03:14] <Burgundavia> so, here is what is needed to be an ubuntu member: have a visible sustained contribution to something
[03:14] <Burgundavia> usually this involves an existing project, such as the UWN, documentation, helping people on the forums or #ubuntu
[03:15] <Burgundavia> then you construct a wikipage to catalogue your contributions and start asking around for support
[03:15] <kylevan> necessarily directly connected with ubuntu?
[03:15] <Burgundavia> then you go before the CC and say "this is me, this is what I have done"
[03:15] <Burgundavia> yes, directly connected with Ubuntu
[03:15] <kylevan> for example, I'm active on another linux board that isn't ubuntuforums.org
[03:15] <kylevan> well, more active
[03:15] <Burgundavia> check the wikipages for myself, Madpilot or robitaille for more info
[03:16] <kylevan> gotcha
[03:16] <dennister> oh i c, well i have contributed, but I have to apply now? sorry, but that's quite the process, not going to encourage new users
[03:16] <Burgundavia> no need to apply, ever
[03:16] <Madpilot> hi dabaR
[03:16] <Burgundavia> welcome dAndy
[03:16] <dabaR> I do not think I am a member.
[03:17] <tonyyarusso> Well, it's usually not the newest users who go for membership recognition - it takes a little while.
[03:17] <dabaR> I am part of a launchpad group, but I never signed the coc, and so on...
[03:17] <Burgundavia> part of the process is validation that, in fact, your contributions are important
[03:17] <Madpilot> it takes at least a couple of months, absolute minimum, of visible activity to get Membership
[03:17] <stryderjzw> I'd like to start finding ways to contribute first.... lol
[03:17] <Burgundavia> right, so that is the next step
[03:17] <somerville32> stryderjzw, I'm not a member but I've found lots of ways to contribute.
[03:18] <somerville32> stryderjzw, see my wiki page: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CodySomerville
[03:18] <tonyyarusso> stryderjzw: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/contribute iirc
[03:18] <Burgundavia> so to wrap this up: if you want to be a member, contact me privately after the meeting and I will help you create a wiki page, etc.
[03:18] <dennister> one minute up, followed by 3 minutes lag...more out than in
[03:18] <stryderjzw> somerville32, tonyyarusso: thx
[03:18] <Phoenix7477> will do
[03:18] <Burgundavia> but, yes, absolutely, you can and are encouraged to contribute even if you don't want to or are not a member
[03:18] <Burgundavia> again, I can help you with that
[03:19] <Burgundavia> anything further or shall we move on to 3)?
[03:19] <tonyyarusso> Minor note:
[03:19] <dennister> pont is that we want to encourage memberships, and it seems like there's a lot of work involved that will discourage new users
[03:19] <kylevan> being an ubuntu user isn't connected with having membership...
[03:20] <tonyyarusso> It says "How the locoteam can help", not just "how Burgundavia can help", so you can look to the rest of the folks too.
[03:20] <Madpilot> dennister, getting membership is mostly a matter of: do stuff, document that you're doing stuff, show what you've done, get membership.
[03:20] <Burgundavia> kylevan: when people talk about it in the ubuntu sense, yes
[03:20] <Burgundavia> sorry, misread, you are right
[03:20] <dennister> yes, but also apply, write wiki, get support...
[03:20] <Burgundavia> that is often merely a formality, if you have been already been contributing
[03:21] <Madpilot> dennister, sure, but you don't need a really complex personal page, and 'get support' come pretty much automatically along with 'do stuff'
[03:21] <tonyyarusso> dennister: Right, but it's not for when you're just starting.  After a few months it's no longer intimidating.  It's like "hey, I've done some stuff, I should ask for the recognition"
[03:21] <Burgundavia> trust me: I have been a member for over a year. By the time I went before the CC, I had already been contributing for 6 months
[03:21] <dennister> and if your not a member yet, ur email is there for the spam bots of the world to see
[03:21] <Burgundavia> which is a long time, but it made the issue a breeze
[03:21] <kylevan> dennister, when you say new users, users of what?
[03:22] <kylevan> ubuntu? the mail-list?
[03:22] <dennister> the mail list
[03:22] <dabaR> Yes, it seems it is a little bit of an overhead, but it is a separate task. No reason to not be able to contribute in many useful ways without being a member.
[03:22] <Burgundavia> dennister: spam bots are a fact of life. any contributions are going to trigger them
[03:22] <Madpilot> dabaR, exactly
[03:22] <Burgundavia> dennister: just google my email addy to see it
[03:22] <dabaR> Like I am the most useful person of all that contribute to Ubuntu, and am not a member...
[03:22] <Burgundavia> or anybody else who has a sustained contribution to open source, for that matter
[03:22] <dabaR> haha
[03:23] <tonyyarusso> Or that pretty much uses the internet really...
[03:23] <Burgundavia> ok, anything else?
[03:24] <dennister> <--went for years with no spam
[03:24] <Burgundavia> next point: 3) existing groups and subprojects
[03:24] <Burgundavia> I wish lophyte were here for this
[03:24] <Burgundavia> anyway, Canada is a big country. It is a fact of life. Thus, we are really lots of little groups, rather than one big one
[03:25] <Burgundavia> we already have some existing subgroups, such as Ubuntu Toronto and the little grouping here in Vic
[03:25] <Burgundavia> any others out there?
[03:26] <tonyyarusso> Sort of semi-provincially I think, not that actively meet up in person a lot that I've heard of.
[03:26] <Madpilot> all Ubuntu Victoria does is get together on release days and drink beer ;)
[03:26] <Burgundavia> right
[03:26] <kylevan> sounds like a vital contribution ;)
[03:27] <stryderjzw> anything in Vancouver?
[03:27] <Burgundavia> beer drinking is very vital
[03:27] <apater> I'd be into doing the same with any one in Vancouver
[03:27] <tonyyarusso> s/beer/wine/ and I'd come
[03:27] <Burgundavia> stryderjzw: afaik, no, but there is jeff schering there
[03:27] <kylevan> we could have a GVRD group
[03:27] <stryderjzw> kylevan: agreed
[03:27] <Burgundavia> I encourage people to go looking for existing users in their area and start chatting with each other
[03:27] <Burgundavia> LUGs are a great way to find people
[03:28] <tonyyarusso> I know my local LUG has a few Ubuntu users, and they do Ubuntu installs, but I haven't been able to make a mtg yet.
[03:28] <tonyyarusso> (says so on their web site)
[03:28] <Burgundavia> there is far more Ubuntu out there than most people realize
[03:29] <tonyyarusso>   (site note - do we know the ShipIt stats for Canada?)
[03:29] <Burgundavia> stryderjzw, apater: lets chat later about getting various people from GVRD out
[03:29] <tonyyarusso> (*side)
[03:29] <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: stats are currently coming. Christina from Canonical and myself spoke about this a few days ago
[03:29] <kylevan> do we have any sort of initiative for independent advocacy? posters, CD give-outs, etc.
[03:30] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: awesome
[03:30] <Burgundavia> right, this ties into the next thing
[03:30] <kylevan> ah, good
[03:30] <Madpilot> kylevan, ShipIt is still going; there are various posters & such to download
[03:30] <Burgundavia> the most effective we can be is to work with our local groups and LUGs for advocacy
[03:30] <Madpilot> yes, including the 'roughcut' set I designed
[03:31] <Burgundavia> the marketing team is currently working on solving this "marketing stuff" problem
[03:31] <dabaR> Burgundavia: the most effective at what?
[03:31] <Burgundavia> what do people need?
[03:31] <Burgundavia> dabaR: spreading Ubuntu
[03:32] <tonyyarusso> One of my concerns has been wrt ShipIt only doing LTS releases now
[03:32] <Burgundavia> shipit is only going to do LTS from now on
[03:32] <kylevan> what came to my mind is getting some professional looking posters done locally, which can then be distributed to people
[03:32] <dennister> we will need media for our March Break event, but lophyte's last request was turned down for some reason
[03:32] <tonyyarusso> Making CDs has cost associated with it, and it would be great to keep that to a minimum.
[03:32] <Burgundavia> come the next CC meeting, we will be approved and get our 500 Edgy cds
[03:32] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: What will be the method for distributing those then?
[03:33] <Burgundavia> I will put out a call and see who needs what
[03:33] <Burgundavia> I doubt I will keep more than about 25
[03:33] <Burgundavia> assume shipit is going to be harder to get
[03:33] <Burgundavia> with that in mind, be conservative with giving out cds
[03:34] <stryderjzw> where do we get these cds?
[03:34] <Burgundavia> shipit will ship people free cds
[03:34] <Burgundavia> hey robitaille
[03:34] <Madpilot> hi robitaille
[03:34] <Burgundavia> want to quickly introduce yourself?
[03:35] <robitaille> sorry...I was a bit late
[03:35] <Burgundavia> dennister: excluding cds, what would be the most useful thing that can be created to handout? a whole page or a half one?
[03:35] <dennister> how in the world would we be able to anticipate how many ppl would come to an installfest? for the planning stages of our event?
[03:35] <Burgundavia> installfests have been decreasing in numbers for several years now
[03:35] <tonyyarusso> I burned a stack personally, and started asking $2 for them to cover my costs, and while I've only actually sold one, it's gotten people's attention enough to go home and download/burn it themselves, which serves the same ultimate goal anyway.  There's a nice display stand on the wiki, and I have a 1-pg "What is Ubuntu?" printout that you can put next to it for anyone interested.
[03:35] <Madpilot> dennister, depends on your area and how much publiciity you've been able to get
[03:36] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: I have a whole page, as noted ^^
[03:36] <dennister> a postcard sized one to hand out on street corners
[03:36] <Burgundavia> ok, lets brainstorm on this and get one produced
[03:37] <dennister> we can do publicity, but it's still hard to guess how many will actually come until they do arrive
[03:37] <Madpilot> dennister, I can do a postcard-sized - one-quarter of an 8.5x11 sheet, basically
[03:37] <Burgundavia> you can ask for a rvsp
[03:38] <Burgundavia> dennister: why don't we chat in the -marketing channel post meeting about this card
[03:38] <tonyyarusso> I would love to do a big-screen (digital projector in lecture hall) presentation at my university, possibly followed up with an installfest, but would need help with how to accomplish that.
[03:38] <dennister> ok, i like handing out postcards on the street, more than cd's
[03:38] <Burgundavia> ok: the website: what do people need/want from it?
[03:38] <Madpilot> dennister, I'll start a thread on the ML about a postcard
[03:39] <dennister> ok Burgundavia, will do
[03:39] <dabaR> tonyyarusso: talk to the lab/lecture hall administrator.
[03:39] <dabaR> tonyyarusso: talk to the people that would be able to book it. Or talk with the CS department, get them in on it, and then have them book the room for you.
[03:39] <tonyyarusso> dabaR: I mean wrt the content of the presentation and such; I think I know how to get a room booking.
[03:39] <Burgundavia> welcome rexbron, what to introduce yourself?
[03:39] <dabaR> tonyyarusso: it is up to you what you want to present on.
[03:40] <Burgundavia> lets chat in -marketing about that as well
[03:40] <tonyyarusso> I know Burgundavia has done official presentations of some sort (there are videos), but we can discuss later.
[03:40] <Burgundavia> one of the key things is that neither of these two projects is somethign -ca needs to do itself
[03:40] <tonyyarusso> Right
[03:40] <Burgundavia> we can and should work with other loco teams and the marketing team to make certain we are not duplicating stuff
[03:40] <dabaR> tonyyarusso: I did one in a 30 comp. lab with everyone running live CD, showed them how to get a ssh, web, ftp server up with dyndns for a dns name up in a short time.
[03:40] <somerville32> I think the post-card sized handouts are a really good idea
[03:41] <tonyyarusso> What are the Canada-specific issues in marketing/promotion, if any?
[03:41] <kylevan> wouldn't it be easier/cheaper to get business card sized material?
[03:41] <Burgundavia> kylevan: issue of getting enough information on them, but as another thing, yes
[03:41] <tonyyarusso> For one, big country, with many rural users, that may not have a lot of access to other people and other computers normally.
[03:41] <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: upcoming copyright reform is an issue to be talked about
[03:42] <Burgundavia> should we put up a page on the website about it?
[03:42] <rexbron> Hey all
[03:42] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: I'm not even aware of those issues yet.  (I try to follow news, but there's a limit)
[03:42] <rexbron> sorry had to run some unexpected errands
[03:42] <Burgundavia> ok, that works
[03:42] <Burgundavia> I will work on getting some news on that into the public
[03:42] <tonyyarusso> Has anyone had experience spreading Ubuntu to rural areas?
[03:43] <Burgundavia> hey lophylap
[03:43] <lophylap> bah, sorry
[03:43] <dennister> as far as the website is concerned, i'm writing some content for ubuntu-toronto
[03:43] <lophylap> got suckered in to watching a movie with the gf
[03:43] <rexbron> lophylap: lol
[03:43] <tonyyarusso> lophylap: Name, location for the good people
[03:43] <Burgundavia> lophylap: rexbron, robitaille: mind if you tell us your real name and location?
[03:43] <lophylap> dave sullivan, toronto :)
[03:43] <rexbron> Andrew Hunter, Toronto
[03:44] <Burgundavia> we are currently talking about new marketing projects
[03:44] <rexbron> ok cool
[03:44] <Burgundavia> mostly material to hand out, but also how to get information out
[03:44] <rexbron> Mind summarizing the points so far?
[03:44] <rexbron> kok
[03:44] <kylevan> with regards to the website, it might be an idea to pool together a "marketing kit" of sorts
[03:44] <Burgundavia> going to work with the marketing team on a new handout
[03:44] <lophylap> we've got a couple of projects lined up in Toronto at the moment
[03:45] <tonyyarusso> kylevan: The marketing team is working on that actually
[03:45] <Burgundavia> but please get involved
[03:45] <Burgundavia> never assume somebody is working on something
[03:45] <kylevan> basically so that people that might not even have a LUG near them can do some independent advocacy
[03:45] <tonyyarusso> right
[03:45] <lophylap> ah.
[03:45] <kylevan> i haven't been to the DIYmarketing wiki for a while
[03:45] <tonyyarusso> They're working on making that part of the wiki a site of its own.
[03:46] <dennister> imagine canada and volunteer canada have a fair amount of literature on volunteerism in rurual areas
[03:46] <tonyyarusso> We've been just starting to see layout drafts.
[03:46] <Madpilot> dennister, any of it online?
[03:46] <Burgundavia> dennister: mind posting links to the -ml?
[03:46] <dennister> tons...mostly all online
[03:47] <somerville32> What about writing letters to our MPs to help make them aware of OSS and OSS issues.
[03:47] <dennister> do a google search for anything, imagine canada and volunteer canada's stuff will come up
[03:47] <somerville32> +?
[03:47] <lophylap> it'd definitely be nice to have a marketing package to hand out to local computer vendors and such
[03:47] <kylevan> well, I realize that there may be a project going on right now, but perhaps as a stop-gap including some useful links on ubuntu-ca.org
[03:47] <zul> hi
[03:47] <lophylap> that's something I think we're lacking
[03:47] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: +1 on that
[03:47] <Burgundavia> yep
[03:47] <Burgundavia> welcome zul
[03:47] <Madpilot> somerville32, sure, along with the copyright/IP issues
[03:47] <Burgundavia> zul is our sole developer and one of the lead Xen devs in Ubuntu
[03:47] <dennister> sorry, but MP's will see OSS's as something beneath their radar
[03:47] <Burgundavia> zul: mind giving us your real name and location?
[03:48] <kylevan> I've been working my MP about network neutrality lately
[03:48] <zul> Chuck Short from the cold capital of canada
[03:48] <tonyyarusso> Is Canada talking about net neutrality?  I know they are in the US
[03:48] <lophylap> yup, we are
[03:48] <kylevan> to a degree
[03:48] <lophylap> neutrality.ca
[03:48] <dennister> we need to talk less about technology and more about human needs for marketing to work
[03:48] <tonyyarusso> zul: cold capital?  Resolute?
[03:48] <Burgundavia> as for promoting OSS to MPs, it is important to promote the wider world of OSS, not just Ubuntu
[03:48] <kylevan> lophylap, ya beat me to it
[03:48] <zul> tonyyarusso: ottawa
[03:48] <tonyyarusso> psssh
[03:49] <kylevan> hah
[03:49] <Burgundavia> general OSS promotion should probably be done through CLUE
[03:49] <kylevan> if anyone wants, I can give you tories' form letter regarding network neutrality
[03:49] <lophylap> Burgundavia: I think dennister has a good point, and I think this is the reason that OSS marketing has mostly failed
[03:49] <tonyyarusso> clue.ca?  (/me hasn't heard of)
[03:49] <dennister> we're a bunch of techies, or techie-wannabes...we need to talk other non-technical languages
[03:49] <Burgundavia> yep
[03:49] <lophylap> we're pushing technological advantages of Linux/OSS on to people.. "its more stable, there's no viruses" etc.
[03:49] <Madpilot> dennister, exactly - you need to be on the -marketing ML, if you aren't already
[03:50] <tonyyarusso> Okay, what are the issues in non-technical terms?
[03:50] <lophylap> we need to push the human side out of people for it to appeal
[03:50] <dennister> by pushing apple-pie issues we will get people to lsiten
[03:50] <sid> tonyyarusso: freedom
[03:50] <Burgundavia> http://cluecan.ca/
[03:50] <sid> tonyyarusso: That is non-technical and lots of people seem to get that term.
[03:50] <Burgundavia> we need to push value
[03:50] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: thx
[03:50] <dennister> the issues are education, civil liberties, helping the poor
[03:51] <Burgundavia> so tell them about things like the ability to watch and do things as they like, not how big corps want
[03:51] <dennister> yes, value, independence, freedom
[03:51] <kylevan> could we say environmental impact from electronics waste?
[03:51] <Burgundavia> talk to them about access to education and computers
[03:51] <Burgundavia> yep, that is a good one
[03:51] <dennister> yes, environmentalism will help
[03:51] <sid> kylevan: Why is that a factor? hardware running proprietary software or free software still does equal damage to the environment.
[03:51] <dennister> access to education and computers for al, social justice... these will resonate
[03:51] <kylevan> i'm talking about "my old computer won't run vista, I'm gonna chuck it"
[03:52] <Burgundavia> sid: we can reuse existing hardware that doesn
[03:52] <Burgundavia> t run windows any more
[03:52] <sid> ahh, yes
[03:52] <sid> ltsp
[03:52] <kylevan> on that note...
[03:52] <Burgundavia> yep, or xubuntu
[03:52] <somerville32> WOOT! :D
[03:52] <Burgundavia> somerville32: showing your colours? :)
[03:52] <sid> You should make a wiki about what makes free software valuable.(freedom being at the top of the list, imho)
[03:52] <kylevan> on notebookreview.com we had a number of people coming in asking how to wipe win98 and install linux recently
[03:52] <dennister> methinks we have agreement: talk less tech, more social issues
[03:52] <lophylap> indeed
[03:52] <sid> Does this group have a web page?
[03:53] <lophylap> http://www.ubuntu.ca/
[03:53] <sid> k
[03:53] <Burgundavia> my server still up?
[03:53] <Madpilot> sid, this is the Ubuntu Canada locoteam meeting
[03:53] <somerville32> :] 
[03:53] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, yup, but I bet it just started working harder
[03:53] <lophylap> is there anything Canadian-specific that we can tie into this?
[03:53] <Burgundavia> lophylap: the need for resources to market with
[03:53] <lophylap> what can we do to make Ubuntu appeal to Canadians?
[03:54] <dennister> our vision and values are non-technical; it's the mission of ubuntu that helps us achieve the vision
[03:54] <Phoenix7477> perhaps something about the ease of transitioning, i know alot of people that have this as a problem when considering using gnu/linux. Talk about how you can use LiveCD to try it out, for example
[03:54] <lophylap> not just 'people'.. Canadians
[03:54] <kylevan> beaver backgrounds?
[03:54] <kylevan> ;)
[03:54] <tonyyarusso> He may have a point.
[03:54] <Burgundavia> people have most of the same computing pains the world over
[03:54] <tonyyarusso> Some good localized artwork would be nice.
[03:54] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: you want to do a local background we can stick on the website?
[03:55] <Madpilot> http://ubuntu-ca.org/wallpaper/UC_wallpaper1.png <-- tonyyarusso, like this? (this'll really stress the server...)
[03:55] <sid> Why not just put up signs near bridges that are over busy highways.(if that's legal) It's legal in USA, first amendment and all. At the next LoCo meeting bring some big paper and paint or something.(good idea or bad?)
[03:55] <dennister> something that strikes me is how the ubuntu logo resembes maple leaf
[03:55] <kylevan> sid, I don't think the whole loco team is gonna meet up
[03:55] <Madpilot> dennister, I'm way ahead of you there too: http://ubuntu-ca.org/logo/Ubuntu_Canada_logo.png
[03:55] <sid> "Use software with freedom, help your community, share collaborate... www.ubuntu.ca"
[03:55] <Burgundavia> dennister: that is our logo, not Ubuntus one
[03:55] <rexbron> have you seen the Ubuntu -ca
[03:55] <rexbron> ?
[03:55] <kylevan> that's a few kms
[03:55] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Like that, yes, although I don't personally like that particular one (too "busy")
[03:55] <tonyyarusso> More though
[03:55] <dennister> soemthing that is uniquely canadian is our relaxed-compared-to-us copying laws
[03:56] <lophylap> ture
[03:56] <lophylap> true*
[03:56] <Burgundavia> yep, but people don't get exciting about that kind of stuff
[03:56] <dennister> and we have privacy laws too, unlike the us
[03:56] <Burgundavia> for the record, I sell desktop Linux everyday
[03:56] <Burgundavia> it is a facinating insight into what makes people choose technology
[03:56] <tonyyarusso> Not for getting excited, but it might be something we can use to our advantage at in-between stages.
[03:56] <Burgundavia> they are about their pain, not somebody elses
[03:57] <dennister> no, people don't get excited, but it's part of our analysis of why ubuntu should grow more easily in canada...another point we could use in marketing is canadian anti-us feelings
[03:57] <tonyyarusso> For instance, I'm not clear on the legality here, but I heard someone suggest Canada might be able to distribute disks with many !restricted formats included.
[03:57] <Burgundavia> I would be hesitant to promote us using that
[03:57] <kylevan> negative marketing isn't so cool
[03:57] <Phoenix7477> yeah
[03:57] <sid> tonyyarusso: Well it depends if it's copyright or patents.
[03:57] <kylevan> at least on that scale
[03:57] <lophylap> indeed
[03:57] <dennister> o i'd agree...last thing we want is negative us-bashing
[03:57] <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: the one thing we are not going to do is to create a local Ubuntu build for canada
[03:57] <Burgundavia> we cannot support it
[03:57] <lophylap> that's been discussed before
[03:57] <dennister> being negative at all is bad for marketing
[03:58] <rexbron> That was dusscussed already right?
[03:58] <lophylap> and I don't really like the idea
[03:58] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: Point taken.
[03:58] <lophylap> too much work
[03:58] <Burgundavia> too little of us have that kind of technical skill
[03:58] <kylevan> could we create a canadian localization package in the repos?
[03:58] <sid> tonyyarusso: The next Ubuntu release will differentiate between restrictive countries and free'er countries. So that will be included in Feisty iirc
[03:58] <Burgundavia> what is the need?
[03:58] <tonyyarusso> kylevan: I'd like that
[03:58] <kylevan> backgrounds, themes, etc.
[03:58] <tonyyarusso> sid: Interesting
[03:58] <Burgundavia> those can be distrbuted from a website just as easily
[03:58] <Burgundavia> sid: that is incorrect
[03:59] <Burgundavia> there is nothing liek that on the table
[03:59] <sid> tonyyarusso: But imho, if you're distributing binary blobs, or binary only codecs..you're doing a dis-service to your fellow Canadians.
[03:59] <tonyyarusso> Themes & backgrounds came up in a conversation with Ralph on the mailing list as well, for groups within Canada.
[03:59] <somerville32> Just create a package with Canada theme stuff
[03:59] <tonyyarusso> sid: I agree; just that people want them.  Anyway, we can drop that topic.  Bad direction.
[03:59] <Burgundavia> ok, lets wrap this up, as it has already run an hour
[04:00] <kylevan> Burgundavia, fair enough about using a website
[04:00] <tonyyarusso> I think things like art make more sense on the LoCo level then
[04:00] <Burgundavia> we need to produce some marketing stuff
[04:00] <tonyyarusso> #4?
[04:00] <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: we are already talking about 4 and 5
[04:00] <lophylap> Burgundavia: did you talk about my earlier suggestion?
[04:00] <Burgundavia> lophylap: which was that?
[04:00] <lophylap> making meetings monthly, and encouraging people to start something in their municipality
[04:00] <Burgundavia> yep, both are good ideas
[04:01] <kylevan> who are the vancouver-area people again?
[04:01] <Burgundavia> let tentatively set the next meeting to be a month from now, the 2nd Sat. of the month
[04:01] <tonyyarusso> I have a new project also.  Not sure it needs much discussion here, but see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOjibweTranslators and follow up with me later if you're interested.
[04:01] <Burgundavia> kylevan: I know one as well
[04:01] <apater> yo
[04:02] <Burgundavia> yes, native languages
[04:02] <Burgundavia> anybody here native or have connections with native groups?
[04:02] <somerville32> I do
[04:02] <somerville32> That is, I have connections with native groups.
[04:02] <Burgundavia> one of things I want to start, but live in the wrong part of the country, is to figure out how to translate Ubuntu into these languages
[04:03] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: Which groups, where?
[04:03] <dennister> test
[04:03] <Burgundavia> dennister: you are bouncing in a out
[04:03] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: Were you looking into any other than Inuktitut?
[04:03] <Burgundavia> and out, rather
[04:03] <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: no, I realized I simply don't have the connections or the time, currently
[04:03] <somerville32> tonyyarusso, I can't spell it, haha
[04:03] <dennister> i know...really annoying...one minute in for 3 minutes each...lag
[04:04] <Burgundavia> dennister: the log is available
[04:04] <dennister> link? thx in advance
[04:04] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: Try?
[04:04] <dennister> would love to get rid of lag
[04:04] <somerville32> tonyyarusso, McMac? lol
[04:04] <Burgundavia> dennister: people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[04:04] <somerville32> Umm..
[04:04] <dennister> ty
[04:04] <somerville32> And a few others that are on the tip of my tongue.
[04:04] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: Okay.  Cool.
[04:05] <somerville32> I'll try to get some students from the local High Schools to translate Ubuntu into their language. They're always looking for volunteer stuff.
[04:05] <Burgundavia> that woudl be cool
[04:05] <tonyyarusso> Maybe we should have some generalized info about native language work on the ubuntu.ca site, and add translation efforts as they get going.
[04:06] <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: can you create such a page and get it to me or Madpilot?
[04:06] <Burgundavia> plain html
[04:06] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: I can help tell you about the process for setting up a LP team and mailing list later.
[04:06] <somerville32> tonyyarusso, The latter would be useful knowledge.
[04:06] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: Sure.  Not right away (exams) but over break I hope to do some work.
[04:06] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[04:06] <dennister> there's the ojibwe project from ubuntu-toronto...first nations projects market well
[04:07] <somerville32> How can we get write access to the ubuntu-ca website?
[04:07] <Burgundavia> there is probably money and people available for them, if we sell them right
[04:07] <Burgundavia> somerville32: you bug me
[04:07] <Burgundavia> somerville32: after, in -ca
[04:07] <tonyyarusso> dennister: Tell me more about what Toronto's doing later - I've had only loose contact with them.
[04:07] <Burgundavia> anything further?
[04:07] <dennister> lot of interest in orgs that do 'good works' for others...ok
[04:07] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: Although Harper is slashing the money drastically - my prof was just at a protest in Ottawa.
[04:07] <dennister> lophyte knows about that ojibwe project
[04:08] <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: gov will change eventually. We can only hope
[04:08] <tonyyarusso> Right.
[04:08] <rexbron> Burgundavia: I thought we were going to keep politics out of this
[04:08] <Madpilot> somerville32, best way to get 'write access' to ubuntu.ca currently is to just email the list. Burgundavia & I both have access to the server
[04:08] <tonyyarusso> dennister: roger
[04:08] <tonyyarusso> lophylap: (We'll talk later?)
[04:08] <dennister> harper's gov is horrible...slashing money to charities...hope the gov fails over the budget
[04:08] <Burgundavia> rexbron: I was referring to them cutting, rather than the specific govs
[04:09] <Burgundavia> anyway, I think we have a bunch of stuff to work on and I it was good have a meeting and meet all the new people
[04:09] <rexbron> dennister: I would review the cuts to see if they are worth while rather than just extol the phrase "all cuts are bad"
[04:09] <Burgundavia> so to wrap up: if you want help with membership, I am your man
[04:10] <Burgundavia> for the marketing stuff, lets move to -marketing
[04:10] <dennister> have we decided on clue vs metalug?
[04:10] <dennister> or both?
[04:10] <Burgundavia> both
[04:10] <rexbron> Burgundavia: How large of a portfolio would you sugest for membership?
[04:10] <Burgundavia> hopefully they will become one
[04:10] <dennister> great, thx
[04:10] <Burgundavia> rexbron: depends on the person
[04:10] <Burgundavia> and teh contributions
[04:11] <dennister> when cuts mean tons of people in charities losing jobs, that's bad
[04:11] <Burgundavia> for the native lang stuff, lets coordinate via the wiki and the mailing list
[04:11] <dennister> the entire nonprofit sector (huge) is up in arms about it
[04:11] <Burgundavia> and for the political stuff -offtopic beckons
[04:11] <tonyyarusso> (only kind of)
[04:11] <dennister> ok...
[04:11] <tonyyarusso> (##politics ;) )
[04:11] <Burgundavia> or that
[04:11] <rexbron> dennister: the star has a report that 80% of MADD's fundrasing goes to fund more fundraisign
[04:11] <Burgundavia> final words anybody?
[04:12] <rexbron> something is wrong if that happens
[04:12] <Burgundavia> rexbron: I am quite serious
[04:12] <rexbron> kk
[04:12] <Burgundavia> this is not Ubuntu related
[04:12] <dennister> but i would recommend some of the research on encouraging volunteerism on the web, from imagine canada and volunteer canada
[04:12] <Burgundavia> dennister: can you post that to the ml?
[04:13] <dennister> what's the ml?
[04:13] <Burgundavia> mailing list
[04:13] <dennister> oh mailing list
[04:13] <dennister> will do
[04:13] <Burgundavia> excellent
[04:13] <tonyyarusso> I think it would be really cool to have more in-person get-together's, but physical distance makes that very difficult in Canada.  Maybe something every couple of years or so - long term back-burner thought.
[04:13] <kylevan> everyone, we're going to Regina!
[04:13] <Burgundavia> I travel fairly extensively, so I imagine I will get to visit at least some of you
[04:13] <Burgundavia> perk of the job
[04:14] <dennister> hey!
[04:14] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, we should lobby to have another Ubuntu Dev summit in Canada - Vancouver, maybe
[04:14] <dennister> have we discussed some of the upcoming conferences?
[04:14] <somerville32> What about encouraging the youth of Canada to participate?
[04:14] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: That would be sweet.  No idea how those are decided.
[04:14] <Burgundavia> which ones?
[04:14] <dennister> presence at? like the cute conference in toronto would be good
[04:14] <Burgundavia> dennister: that wiki page I created?
[04:14] <dennister> yes, was looking at it
[04:14] <Burgundavia> need volunteers
[04:14] <kylevan> somerville32, I'm hoping to get some marketing stuff up at SFU where I attend classes
[04:15] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: I'm in a concurrent education program, and have placements in high schools, where I try to mention it and hand out a couple of CDs.  More things like that kind of contact would be awesome.
[04:15] <Burgundavia> if you say you can do it, I can probably get you in the door
[04:15] <dennister> i think we can get volunteers, need marketing material soon tho, to distribute at table
[04:15] <dennister> Jan 11-13 is cute conference...young university ppl
[04:15] <Burgundavia> dennister: round me up some volunteers and lets chat
[04:15] <dennister> ok...will bring it up on wed at ubuntu-toronto meeting
[04:16] <rexbron> dennister: is cute an acronym?
[04:16] <dennister> yes, conference university...something like that...it's on the conference table on corey's wiki
[04:16] <somerville32> I'll e-mail the schools and universities here in Fredericton to see if I can get more people involved.
[04:16] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Conferences
[04:16] <dennister> high school and university students are good target markets
[04:16] <Burgundavia> yes, they are
[04:17] <somerville32> I also seem a few Fredericton contacts on the ubuntu-ca wiki page, I'll see if I can get them to help me
[04:17] <dennister> they're poor, they're politically aware, need pc's, looking for alternatives
[04:17] <kylevan> Burgundavia, I'm interested in doing some advocacy at my school, can I pick your brain on how to go about it?
[04:17] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: It would be good if we could coordinate university efforts as well - many users in that age group.
[04:17] <rexbron> Burgundavia: I am currently getting involved with Ubuntu Studio to try and get that project off the groud
[04:17] <rexbron> ground
[04:17] <Burgundavia> kylevan: sure
[04:17] <kylevan> -marketing perhaps?
[04:17] <Burgundavia> rexbron: interesting
[04:17] <Burgundavia> -ca is probably better
[04:17] <rexbron> that would be a good vector to target the Fine Arts kiddies
[04:18] <kylevan> fair enough
[04:18] <dennister> yes, the artsies are poor, too, good target market
[04:18] <somerville32> Whats the best version of Ubuntu to demonstrate to Users?
[04:18] <somerville32> And what about Ubuntu sister projects?
[04:18] <somerville32> Like Kubuntu, Edubuntu, and Xubuntu?
[04:19] <somerville32> First impression is everything
[04:19] <kylevan> basically when/where can I get marketing material.  I could print up the poster that Jenda(?) put on ubuntuforums.org, but I dont really have the resources to do very many
[04:19] <dennister> me, i like kubuntu...i think more xp-migrators will like kubuntu
[04:19] <Burgundavia> in general, I say Ubuntu to everybody, Edubuntu to those who needs it, and Xubuntu for slow machines
[04:19] <Burgundavia> Ubuntu simply gets more work and more polish than Kubuntu
[04:19] <rexbron> there are 20 people in the York U linux users group on face book
[04:19] <rexbron> interesting
[04:20] <dennister> my alma mater :)
[04:20] <rexbron> they have a channel, #yucc
[04:20] <rexbron> on freenode
[04:20] <rexbron> might want to see if there are any Ubuntu users there
[04:20] <Burgundavia> ok, final thoughts, so we can call this meeting closed
[04:20] <Burgundavia> ?
[04:20] <Burgundavia> and head back to -ca for further dicussion?
[04:20] <dennister> interesting :)
[04:21] <dennister> i'm ok with that
[04:21] <tonyyarusso> Sounds fine
[04:21] <rexbron> righty o
[04:21] <Burgundavia> thanks everybody for coming! nice to see some new faces and hopefully you will stick around :)
[04:21] <dennister> i'll be there in a sec...will head to yucc
[04:21] <kylevan> sure
[04:21] <stryderjzw> thanks Burgundavia!
[04:21] <somerville32> Whens the next meeting?
[04:21] <kylevan> good to meet everyone
[04:22] <Madpilot> somerville32, TBA, Jan. sometime I guess
[04:22] <dennister> yes, likewise
[04:22] <Burgundavia> next meeting 2nd sat of Jan.
[04:22] <Madpilot> thanks all for coming out
[04:22] <Burgundavia> tentatively