[01:54] <LaserJock> pitux: regarding your eariler question, generally adding any 3rd party software will make the system lest stable overall
[01:55] <LaserJock> pitux: but a package here or there generally isn't too bad as long as they have compatible dependencies and you watch thos packages during upgrades
[01:55] <LaserJock> pitux: what in particular are you interested in?
[01:56] <pitux> mainly a package call controlaula
[01:57] <LaserJock> ah
[01:57] <pitux> it's a vnc client for students in school
[01:57] <LaserJock> I've heard of it
[01:59] <pitux> can you see more information here
[02:00] <pitux> Linex developed alot of applications
[02:00] <pitux> http://www.itais.net/controlaula/
[02:00] <pitux> educational applications... very interesting
[02:00] <LaserJock> yeah
[02:00] <LaserJock> I think we used linex packages for squeak
[02:01] <pitux> ahhhhh
[02:01] <pitux> good
[02:01] <LaserJock> we have a similar app to controlaula in Edubuntu called Student Control Panel
[02:01] <pitux> is possible integrate controlaula and other packages in edubuntu?
[02:02] <LaserJock> well, it's possible but sometimes it's not exactly easy
[02:03] <pitux> ok... beacuse are differents versions of package?
[02:03] <pitux> for example ubuntu and debian?
[02:04] <LaserJock> well, they might need to improved a little bit
[02:04] <LaserJock> Ubuntu and Debian have pretty decent quality and security standards
[02:05] <pitux> ahhhhhh ok I understand.....
[02:05] <LaserJock> I would think linex packages wouldn't need much but I'm not sure
[02:05] <LaserJock> I'm not saying anything against linex at all
[02:06] <LaserJock> but we find that often that packages coming from other sources need a little improvement before they enter the repos
[02:06] <pitux> I understand
[02:06] <LaserJock> pitux: have you used linex much?
[02:06] <pitux> I'm a teacher... math teacher
[02:06] <LaserJock> oh cool
[02:07] <LaserJock> I'm a chemist
[02:07] <pitux> I think that Linex is a good distro
[02:07] <LaserJock> or a PhD chemisty student rather
[02:07] <pitux> for teachers... and schools
[02:07] <pitux> it's eassier
[02:07] <pitux> I'm from Chile
[02:09] <pitux> where are you from LaserJock?
[02:10] <LaserJock> USA
[02:11] <pitux> ahhhh ok
[02:11] <LaserJock> I think the one of the reasons we don't have controlaula was it uses gambas
[02:11] <pitux> In the school where I work... we are using ubuntu
[02:11] <LaserJock> well, not have but use in Edubuntu
[02:12] <LaserJock> good to hear, how is that workin?
[02:12] <pitux> mmmm some problems with the users... mainly the compatibility with microsoft products
[02:13] <pitux> and other problems with the pendrives....
[02:13] <pitux> but nothing special.....
[02:14] <LaserJock> yeah
[02:14] <LaserJock> I use edubuntu at the university and have similar issues with MS compatibility
[02:15] <pitux> yeah....
[02:15] <pitux> the users don't understand about kind of files....
[02:16] <pitux> ok LaserJock I have leave this chat
[02:16] <pitux> nice to meet you
[02:16] <LaserJock> yes, nice to meet you too
[02:16] <LaserJock> stop by again
[02:17] <LaserJock> if you have particular packages from Linex you'd like to see let us know
[02:17] <LaserJock> I must confese the language barrier has kept me from investigating it too much
[02:18] <LaserJock> *confess
[02:18] <pitux> ok LaserJock.... what topics do you review in your reseacrh?
[02:19] <pitux> sorry, but my english is not good....
[02:19] <LaserJock> it's fine
[02:19] <LaserJock> I'm looking at molecule motors with lasers
[02:19] <pitux> wow
[02:20] <pitux> in this moment..... don't exist a particular packege from linex
[02:21] <pitux> because squeak is supported in edubuntu
[02:21] <pitux> for example.... can be interesting install geogebra by apt
[02:22] <pitux> and java too
[02:22] <pitux> linex has this options... this is very important for the teachers
[02:23] <pitux> ok LaserJock... see you later
[02:23] <pitux> I go to the bed... bye
[02:24] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: you still around?
[02:24] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: yep
[02:25] <LaserJock> do you have a feeling for when we might be able to get Java (enough to run Java apps) in Main?
[02:26] <LaserJock> I think Java would be pretty killer for Edubuntu
[02:29] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: any thoughts? or are you totally digusted with the idea ;-)
[02:29] <Burgundavia> sure, when we get free java] 
[02:31] <LaserJock> well, I'm not very in the know
[02:31] <LaserJock> is that going to be in any reasonable time?
[02:31] <LaserJock> I couldn't figure out what exactly was GPL'd
[02:42] <Burgundavia> we are talking feisty+1 I imagine
[02:42] <Burgundavia> everything was gpl
[02:43] <Burgundavia> but the code isn't there yet
[02:54] <LaserJock> I suppose that it would be naive to think they could just dump the code in a tarball and be done with it
[02:56] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:16] <cbx33> would planet be able to handle a google video embed on my blog?
[10:21] <highvoltage> it should do it fine
[10:22] <highvoltage> although if your blog is aggregated on any drupal aggregators, I don't think they handle it well
[10:30] <cbx33> ahhh right
[10:30] <cbx33> think I should avoid it?
[10:48] <cbx33> ping oge
[10:48] <cbx33> ogra
[12:02] <highvoltage> cbx33: nah, I don't think you need to avoid it, if some people have trouble seeing it they can just visit your blog
[12:02] <cbx33> ok cool
[12:02] <cbx33> thanks bud
[01:05] <cbx33> has anyone had any experience in setting up a radius/ads enterprise level wireless security
[01:09] <willvdl> not me
[01:09] <willvdl> i'm afraid
[01:09] <willvdl> only security exp i have is digging aspiked pit
[01:12] <cbx33> wow
[01:12] <cbx33> cool
[01:21] <rodarvus> is this like, Windows ADS? :)
[01:23] <cbx33> yes
[01:25] <rodarvus> (I was just kidding ;) )
[01:26] <rodarvus> all I know is that the sysadmin at my previous job lost a very long time trying to setup this stuff
[01:26] <rodarvus> it seems it doesn't works quite well (or for all clients, at least)
[01:28] <cbx33> :(
[01:28] <cbx33> I have to set it up for the school
[01:28] <cbx33> seems kinda overkill if you ask me
[01:34] <rodarvus> indeed, this seems to be overkill for a school
[01:35] <rodarvus> I suppose machines willing to authenticate with the radius server will somehow need to be part of the 'domain'
[01:53] <highvoltage> anyone else experiencing strangeness with the mailing list? (edubuntu-devel)
[01:53] <highvoltage> I sent a message last night but it didn't come back.
[01:54] <highvoltage> juliux also sent a message but I didn't receive it.
[02:15] <cbx33> rodarvus: indeed
[02:15] <cbx33> they must be domain members hence the ads part ;)
[02:15] <cbx33> awww planet strips out all embedded stuff
[03:00] <willvdl> cbx33 ping
[03:00] <cbx33> pong willvdl
[03:01] <willvdl> ola. Do you think ESA should be version specific?
[03:01] <cbx33> yes
[03:01] <willvdl> i.e. different branches for different releases...
[03:01] <cbx33> or parts of it definitely
[03:01] <cbx33> it's becoming a sought after doc so I've seen
[03:02] <willvdl> yeah
[03:02] <cbx33> everyone points to it, so we need to make sure it stays up to date
[03:02] <willvdl> I'm trying to work out how to maintain different versions in svn and h.u.c
[03:02] <cbx33> right i see
[03:03] <willvdl> svn repo obviously uses branches for different releases
[03:04] <willvdl> which are automatically mapped to help.u.c
[03:04] <willvdl> and then the trunk maps to doc.u.c
[03:04] <cbx33> hmmmm
[03:04] <cbx33> yeh
[03:05] <willvdl> makes sense but I don't have the bandwidth at the mo to check :(
[03:06] <cbx33> argh
[03:08] <willvdl> okie, cbx33, will put up a planning page on Doc Team wiki (we don't currently have Edubuntu space there so I'll make one of those too) and then I'm still keen to try dotproject for tracking
[03:08] <cbx33> good good
[03:08] <cbx33> i'm all on board
[03:09] <willvdl> are you on marketing team?
[03:09] <cbx33> nope
[03:09] <cbx33> suppose i should be
[03:10] <willvdl> jsut thinking of expanding ESA into advocacy guides for users, admins, etc but am not sure if that should go to marketing or if only the final products should
[03:10] <cbx33> hmmm
[03:10] <cbx33> i agree it's needed
[03:11] <willvdl> essentially they're docs...so doc team generates
[03:11] <cbx33> there's no harm in community generation
[03:11] <cbx33> doc team proofing
[03:11] <willvdl> but they're used for marketing...so marketing team inputs
[03:11] <cbx33> sure
[03:12] <willvdl> moot point actually
[03:15] <willvdl> thanks
[03:15] <willvdl> doc team proofing...makes sense
[03:15] <willvdl> edubuntu team generation
[03:39] <cbx33> shoud I join the marketting team willvdl ?
[03:49] <bddebian> Heya
[03:50] <cbx33> hey bddebian
[03:51] <bddebian> Hi cbx33
[06:15] <sbalneav> Morning all
[06:17] <cbx33> hey sbalneav
[06:17] <sbalneav> Hello cbx33
[06:18] <cbx33> how are you havn't seen you for a long time
[06:18] <sbalneav> Was up north for a week or so.
[06:18] <sbalneav> Doing a big upgrade to Ubuntu Edgy
[06:18] <sbalneav> Now I'm having problems with nfs :(
[06:18] <cbx33> ahhh nice
[06:18] <cbx33> oh
[06:18] <cbx33> :(
[06:18] <cbx33> what kinda problems?
[06:19] <sbalneav> Well, I've got 2 LTSP servers
[06:20] <sbalneav> A and B, lets call 'em
[06:20] <sbalneav> Home dirs are all on A
[06:20] <sbalneav> NFS mounted to B
[06:20] <sbalneav> Everything works fine on A
[06:20] <sbalneav> B gets all kinds of "Stale NFS handle" messages.  Sometimes it works, sometimes not.
[06:40] <sbalneav> Argh
[06:41] <sbalneav> bug #62308
[06:41] <sbalneav> !62308
[06:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 62308 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:41] <juliux> ubotu, malone
[06:41] <ubotu> launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's Bounty and Bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[06:48] <Dheeraj_k> can any body tell me is it unsfe to access net as root? if yes than why?
[06:49] <Burgwork> yes, but browser security is a lie basically
[06:49] <Burgwork> and if your browser get owned, it is running as root and thus you are owned
[06:50] <Dheeraj_k> can u pls provide me the link of any web site which has complete info?
[06:50] <Burgwork> sorry, nothing off the top of my head
[06:56] <sbalneav> Doing any kind of "user" activities as root (i.e. mail, browsing, etc) is a bad thing.
[06:57] <sbalneav> If there's a security bug in any program, you're running as root, which has the permissions to modify anything on the system.  Always do your web browsing as a common user.
[06:57] <sbalneav> It's much much safer that way.
[07:01] <Dheeraj_k> actually this question has been asked by our Professor
[07:04] <Laser_away> sbalneav!
[07:04] <sbalneav> hey hey
[07:05] <Dheeraj_k> does it make system vulnerable to virus?
[07:06] <Burgwork> not unless teh virus already affects linux
[07:08] <Dheeraj_k> i mean linux virus
[07:08] <Burgwork> it makes it easier for the virus to spread, now that it has root access
[07:13] <Dheeraj_k> ah thanx for the info :)
[07:30] <stgraber> hi
[07:32] <LaserJock> hi stgraber
[07:38] <pirast> ogra, hi
[11:38] <les> Can anyone tell me how to block unwanted websites in edubuntu?
[11:38] <Burgwork> willowng
[11:39] <Burgwork> les ^
[11:39] <les> willowng?
[11:40] <Burgwork> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=willowng
[11:40] <les> got it, thanks.  I've been using kubuntu for a while now and plan on using edubuntu for the kids