[12:23] <manchicken> It's not actually the build...
[12:43] <manchicken> Bloody permissions problem it seems...
[12:45] <manchicken> nothing fakeroot can't handle.
[12:49] <manchicken> Okay, so how do I get something signed?
[12:55] <ryanakca> manchicken: gpg?
[12:56] <ryanakca> !gpg | manchicken
[12:56] <ubotu> manchicken: gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[12:57] <manchicken> right, but I'm talking specifically about signing packages....
[12:58] <ryanakca> ah, debuild -S -sa
[01:51] <manchicken> Man, kde-systemsettings is a rather confusing codebase.
[01:51] <manchicken> Looks like it's generating its UI based off of a .rc XML file.
[02:30] <manchicken> Anybody know how to dchroot as another user?
[02:55] <manchicken> Okay, so the setupGUI flexability that folks are used to with kde-systemsettings is no more.
[03:17] <Jucato> kool! danimo's password patch works perfectly in feisty :)
[03:27] <freeflying> Jucato: password patch?
[03:27] <Jucato> displays dots instead of asterisks when typing in the password
[03:27] <Hawkwind> Why would you want dots instead of *'s ?
[03:28] <Hawkwind> What's the purpose
[03:29] <Jucato> asterisks look soo old? :)
[03:30] <Jucato> looks better on the GUI. anyway it only affects KDE styles (plastik, I think). so you don't have to worry :P
[03:48] <Hawkwind> Jucato: I do agree that the dots do look better 
[03:48] <Hawkwind> I just didn't understand why the patch was done other than just for that very reason
[03:49] <Jucato> actually I think it was also a sort of "proof of concept" that it could be done in Qt 3. danimo previously thought it could only be done in Qt 4 (which he already did for KDE 4 I think)
[03:49] <Jucato> not really sure though
[03:49] <manchicken> If this thing compiles I will be surprised to say the least.
[08:08] <Tonio_> hi
[08:08] <Tonio_> imbrandon: ping ?
[08:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: just saw you finally did the minute yesterday... I was not at home this WE (didn't knew that on friday) so I did this offline....
[08:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: just posted it
[08:12] <imbrandon> Tonio_: pong
[08:16] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hey :)
[08:17] <Tonio_> imbrandon: the french way to get a laptop didn't work....
[08:17] <Tonio_> imbrandon: still possible to do that with your help ? I'll place the order correctly this time :)
[08:17] <imbrandon> sure
[08:18] <Tonio_> imbrandon: can you email me your postal address then ? I lost it :)
[08:18] <Tonio_> imbrandon: tonio at ubuntu.com
[08:18] <imbrandon> np, yup
[08:19] <Tonio_> thanks ;)
[08:19] <Tonio_> imbrandon: how is the new job ?
[08:19] <imbrandon> great, was busy as hell getting used to the new schedule but now its all smoothed out
[08:20] <imbrandon> ( and i'm off the next 3 days , i just got off a 12 hour shift heh )
[08:21] <imbrandon> what did you and raphink get ? /me looks at the title , sorry i've been kinda afk the last week or so
[08:21] <imbrandon> heh
[08:22] <Tonio_> imbrandon: we both are engaged :)
[08:22] <crimsun> they're getting married.
[08:22] <crimsun> not to each other.
[08:22] <imbrandon> ohh rock on, congrats
[08:22] <Tonio_> hehe, hi crimsun
[08:22] <imbrandon> hehehe
[08:22] <crimsun> hi.
[08:22] <imbrandon> heya crimsun
[08:23] <Jucato> Tonio_: congratulations :)
[08:24] <imbrandon> yea i like the hours, i work two 12 hour shifts and 2 8 hour ones and get 3 days in a row off, plus i get time at work to work on {k}ubuntu
[08:24] <Tonio_> Jucato: thanks :)
[08:24] <Tonio_> imbrandon: that's trully great, really
[08:24] <imbrandon> ( while at work )
[08:24] <imbrandon> plus free rackspace for colo boxes :)
[08:25] <imbrandon> i just put my first one up yesterday and i'm migrating some things to it
[08:27] <imbrandon> see now it wont be long Tonio_ untill it truely is "papa Tonio_ "
[08:27] <imbrandon> :)
[08:27] <Lure> imbrandon: lol
[08:27] <imbrandon> hehe heay Lure
[08:28] <Tonio_> imbrandon: still working hardly on that, indeed :)
[08:28] <imbrandon> :)
[11:06] <sebas> Riddell: Were there any updates on kdepim lately?
[11:06] <sebas> I'm losing email with dimap for a few days already, seemingly random, sometimes whole folders are empty at once.
[11:08] <sebas> (Using kmail, of course)
[11:27] <Riddell> sebas: there's not been any updates
[11:27] <Riddell> although dimap is known not to be the most stable part of kmail
[11:34] <sebas> Riddell: Well, haven't had that problem ever
[11:34] <sebas> I'll look into it some more, thanks though
[03:49] <bddebian> Heya
[03:50] <Jucato> Boo
[03:50] <bddebian> heh
[05:05] <fdoving> Riddell: ping? around for a kopete upload to edgy-updates?
[05:12] <Riddell> fdoving: oh?
[05:13] <fdoving> Riddell: bug 69583 aging period is finished.
[05:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69583 in kopete "SRU: kopete can't connect to ICQ. " [Low,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69583
[05:13] <fdoving> Riddell: i'm preparing the files now.
[05:15] <Riddell> cool
[05:27] <mhb> good evening
[05:28] <doelman> hi mhd
[05:30] <mhb> hi doelman, pleased to meet you :o)
[05:30] <doelman> nice to meet you too:)
[05:30] <doelman> :p
[05:30] <doelman> oops
[05:33] <fdoving> Riddell: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/edgy/updates/kopete/ - please upload and comment on bug 69583 when done. thanks :)
[05:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69583 in kopete "SRU: kopete can't connect to ICQ. " [Low,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69583
[05:37] <Riddell> fdoving: done, thanks
[05:49] <mhb> thanks to both of you
[05:50] <mhb> I've been waiting for that for a long time :o)
[05:52] <Riddell> it still has to pass NEW again
[06:57] <gnomefreak> wasnt amarok 1.4.4 backported for dapper?
[06:57] <gnomefreak> or is it that one that wont run on dapper :(
[07:12] <nixternal> i have been playing with OpenSUSE 10.2 w/ KDE today, and there are a couple of things that are pretty nice which might be cool in Kubuntu
[07:12] <nixternal> Kickoff isn't one of them after playing with it imho
[07:12] <jdong> nixternal: like say an attractive bootsplash?
[07:12] <jdong> (just kidding!)
[07:12] <nixternal> haha
[07:12] <jdong> nixternal: I too did not like kickoff
[07:12] <nixternal> the bootsplash is a x-mas theme
[07:12] <nixternal> that tripped me out
[07:12] <jdong> nixternal: kickoff was clunky to use for me... it definitely didn't make suse easier to use for me
[07:12] <nixternal> i had penguins in santa hats running across my snow & ice covered grub menu
[07:12] <jdong> I did like the sysinfo:/ view though
[07:12] <jdong> nixternal: that's an easter egg
[07:13] <nixternal> kickoff is smooth for me, just not practical
[07:13] <jdong> nixternal: it happens once every n% of grub installcd boots
[07:13] <nixternal> the KHelpCenter owns us hardcore and their My Computer/Konqueror frontpage rocks
[07:14] <jdong> nixternal: +1 on the My Computer
[07:14] <jdong> nixternal: that is a sweet view
[07:14] <nixternal> i remember people complaining about Kubuntu print config, theirs is even worse..i had to use http://localhost:631 just to install a smb printer
[07:14] <jdong> really?
[07:14] <jdong> YaST didn't do it?
[07:14] <fdoving> nixternal: My Computer is the sysinfo:/ kioslave?
[07:14] <jdong> fdoving: yes
[07:15] <fdoving> .. I have a started package of that somehwere..
[07:15] <nixternal> ya, YaST sucks for print configuring samba shares
[07:15] <jdong> nixternal: hmm, when I used SuSE before Ubuntu I used YaST to do that
[07:15] <nixternal> and you can really search application manuals with KHelpCenter, which is a huge plus
[07:15] <jdong> nixternal: I know by default they set up CUPS as a client-only
[07:15] <jdong> which is really strange if you ask me
[07:16] <nixternal> jdong: i tried yast for it, but it would come back with a print$ for the queue and it would fail during eveyr test
[07:16] <nixternal> i like the yast layout a little better than sys settings i think...again imho
[07:17] <nixternal> kerry beagle is a champ in suse as well...cool how it works with everything
[07:18] <jdong> nixternal: also YaST is significantly faster in 10.2 than when I used it before
[07:18] <jdong> there used to be really noticeable lag launching every applet
[07:18] <nixternal> ya, it is super fast i noticed
[07:18] <jdong> the entire KDE actually was quite snappy
[07:18] <nixternal> overall it is a pretty responsive system
[07:18] <jdong> DT_GNU_HASH is enabled too, IIRC
[07:18] <nixternal> nice
[07:18] <jdong> yes, it is. In the huge changelog
[07:19] <mhb> have I gone to #opensuse all of the sudden? :o)
[07:19] <jdong> lol
[07:19] <jdong> one thing that really bothered me
[07:19] <nixternal> hehe
[07:19] <jdong> was how hard you had to work to get restricted codecs
[07:19] <nixternal> it is good to try other kde distros to see what you can learn
[07:19] <jdong> no need to give me an RMS speech
[07:19] <Riddell> ooh, k3b 1.0 rc 1
[07:19] <nixternal> restricted codecs worked from the beginning, they even tell you how to install win32codecs
[07:19] <jdong> nixternal: huh? really?
[07:20] <jdong> nixternal: I had to go digging around for pacman and other repos
[07:20] <nixternal> ya, you can enable the non-oss repos on install
[07:20] <jdong> not non-oss
[07:20] <nixternal> i downloaded and played an mp3 w/o installing anything
[07:20] <jdong> they castrated xine's decoders except for like vorbis and theora
[07:20] <jdong> nixternal: that's because realplayer handles mp3's
[07:20] <jdong> nixternal: try a xvid video and you'll hit a brick wall
[07:21] <jdong> nixternal: you have to go out for 3rd party xine-lib
[07:21] <Riddell> jdong: fancy backporting cmake?  (and subversion 1.4 when it's in), KDE developers are asking me for them
[07:21] <nixternal> i don't even see real player, and it played the mp3 through kaffeine and amarok
[07:21] <jdong> Riddell: the backport is already approved but ubuntu-archive is being slow :)
[07:21] <nixternal> no wonder i couldn't find libxine-extracodecs
[07:21] <Riddell> jdong: there's a new cmake
[07:21] <jdong> Riddell: 2.4? or even newer?
[07:21] <jdong> nixternal: amarok has been patched to do its playback thru realplayer
[07:21] <Riddell> jdong: 2.4.5 (up from 2.4.4)
[07:21] <jdong> nixternal: so has most of the other stuff
[07:21] <jdong> Riddell: ah ok, will take a look
[07:21] <nixternal> ahhh
[07:22] <Riddell> thanks jdong
[07:22] <mhb> Riddell: ubiquity and hwdb python scripts are able to use both KDE & GNOME libs ... is there a python library/class that is able to produce similar DE-independent code? Or how do you do it?
[07:22] <jdong> nixternal: but as I said, try any other format ;-)
[07:22] <nixternal> m4a didn't work
[07:22] <jdong> nixternal: including unencrypted mpeg2 dvd's
[07:22] <jdong> nixternal: ha! you make me laugh ;-)
[07:22] <Riddell> mhb: no, and the duplicate a lot of code.  hwdb especially is pretty much two implementations of the same thing
[07:22] <jdong> nixternal: it takes around 6 3rd party repos to get our equivalent of apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[07:22] <nixternal> so i am noticing now
[07:22] <jdong> that'd be my ONLY complaint about OpenSuse
[07:22] <nixternal> wth, it won't play anything but ogg and mp3
[07:23] <nixternal> however, opensuse is not newb friendly if you ask me
[07:24] <Lure> nixternal: I cannot believe that you like yast layout more than system settings...
[07:24] <jdong> nixternal: read their RestrictedFormats page
[07:24] <jdong> nixternal: RMS would be proud
[07:24] <nixternal> Lure: it has a smaller more concise layout that is topically devided
[07:24] <nixternal> it makes it easier finding some things
[07:24] <nixternal> Sax2 is very limited, but definitely better than previous releases
[07:25] <Lure> nixternal: for me it was vice versa... it was just suprising for me when you said it...
[07:25] <nixternal> it seems they have restricted alot of stuff with these newer releases, making it difficult to config via a gui
[07:25] <nixternal> then again, the only thing i use system settings for is print config, because the Kubuntu print config is far better than any others i have ever seen, on any os
[09:40] <toma> except windows
[09:46] <Lure> toma?
[09:58] <nixternal> the keyboard autodetect in feisty on the alternate cd is goofy, it select jp for me
[10:02] <Lure> nixternal: yep, other reported the same...
[10:02] <crimsun> nixternal: (it's known)
[10:16] <nixternal> roger, thanks
[10:21] <ryanakca> They don't sell laptops without windows...
[10:26] <toma> ryanakca: http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35610
[10:26] <allee> ryanakca: DELL never forced me to do tests with windows before accepting a call.
[10:27] <ryanakca> toma: interesting
[10:28] <ryanakca> allee: ??
[10:29] <ryanakca> allee: but I'd probably still end up paying for windows...
[10:29] <allee> ryanakca: with HP I had (long time ago) lot's of trouble with defect harddisk.  They insistent me to anwser?  What's the windows error msg?
[10:29] <allee> ryanakca: yes.
[10:29] <ryanakca> allee: meh... I don't have money to waste... I've been saving up for a year now... still don't have enough...
[10:30] <ryanakca> my annual income = almost nothing... < 1000$
[10:30] <allee> ryanakca: k
[10:30] <toma> ryanakca: i can ship you a dual boot ;-) http://www.own-it.nl/component/page,shop.product_details/flypage,shop.flypage/product_id,17/category_id,6/manufacturer_id,0/option,com_virtuemart/Itemid,1/
[10:31] <ryanakca> allee: any companies to recomend?
[10:31] <ryanakca> toma: kk, just a sec :)
[10:31] <toma> its dutch anyhow ;-)
[10:31] <ryanakca> *tries to unscramble the random letters* 60gb hd, 512mb ram?
[10:32] <allee> ryanakca: I'm very happy with Dell.  That's based on the fact that bad hardware support is excellent
[10:32] <ryanakca> AMD Sempron 3500+  CPU
[10:32] <ryanakca> allee: yeah... my cousin works for dell :)
[10:32] <ryanakca> 2nd or 3rd level tech support or something of the sort :)
[10:33] <allee> ryanakca: well then buy a Dell laptop via your cousin!
[10:33] <ryanakca> lol
[10:33] <ryanakca> I can try :)
[12:09] <nixternal> how can i use qt4 on edgy with qmake? qmake is still tied into qt3
[12:10] <nixternal> nm, qmake-qt4
[12:11] <nixternal> yay, wrote my first qt4 app!!!