[12:21] <thumper> ddaa, is the meeting at 9 or 10 UTC?
[12:21] <ddaa> thumper: what does https://launchpad.canonical.com/BazaarMeetingAgenda say?
[12:22] <thumper> ddaa, what? you expect me to read the agenda ;)
[12:22] <ddaa> not really
[12:23] <ddaa> I just want you to be aware that I keep this page generally up to date and it's a good place to answer such questios :)
[12:23] <thumper> ddaa, np
[12:23] <thumper> thanks for the comments btw
[12:24] <ddaa> np, one thing I'm good at is having an opinion on how things should be done :)
[12:25] <ddaa> I like the basic idea much.
[12:25] <ddaa> That's why the second email talks so much about using it more and more.
[12:27] <thumper> ddaa, much of the url ugliness is part of the form machinary
[12:28] <thumper> I'm hoping that some of this can be cleaned up with the upcomming refactorings
[12:28] <ddaa> I figured. But there should be a way to work around it.
[12:28] <thumper> but I don't want to block on it
[12:29] <ddaa> I think it's more acceptable to have ugly code than user-visible ugliness like this. Launchpad is very proud of its clean URLs, I do not think we should compromise on this.
[12:29] <thumper> working around it might not be worthwhile until the refactoring is done as the amount of code to work around it that would get thrown out is not insignificant
[12:29] <thumper> hmm...
[12:30] <ddaa> mh
[12:30] <ddaa> nevermind... malone is just as ugly
[12:30] <ddaa> that sucks
[12:31] <ddaa> https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad-bazaar/+bugs?field.searchtext=supermirror&orderby=status&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=Unconfirmed&field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Needs+Info&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&field.assignee=&field.owner=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[12:31] <thumper> haha
[12:31] <ddaa> how insane is this??
[12:31] <thumper> yeah
[12:31] <thumper> I've got some ideas anyway
[12:31] <thumper> but they rely on some upcomming work
[12:32] <ddaa> and the answers tracker, same: https://answers.launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+tickets?field.search_text=branch&field.sort=by+status&field.sort-empty-marker=1&field.actions.search=Search&field.status=Open&field.status=Needs+information&field.status=Answered&field.status=Solved&field.status-empty-marker=1
[12:33] <ddaa> okay, don't block on the URL ugliness, it's a already a widespread disease
[12:33] <ddaa> but please address the "javascript required" issue
[12:34] <ddaa> the bzr-svn test suite takes forever
[12:44] <ddaa> ha... that was psyco colliding with bzr-svn...
[12:44] <ddaa> interesting, first time I notice a problem
[12:44] <ddaa> I just forgot I had pysco enable
[01:20] <ace> hi all
[01:20] <ace> a quick question
[01:20] <ace> how to make more people follow the bugs in my prodcut ?
[01:20] <ace> sorry product
[01:40] <somerville32> ace: What do you mean?
[05:56] <jamesh> spiv: btw, I put a Launchpad branch up for review that should let us move to bzr-0.13 internally
[05:57] <jamesh> it needs a concurrent launchpad/bzr update so I'm not sure who other than lifeless can apply it after it gets reviewed
[06:02] <spiv> jamesh: I think stub can do that sort of thing too.
[06:04] <jamesh> the actual changes are pretty small, but indicate areas that the bazaar team probably don't consider stable APIs
[06:04] <jamesh> the issues were purely in our test suite though, which is promising
[06:08] <jamesh> stub was right about his pillar-name branch attracting conflicts: it is up to 9 conflicts in 3 days ...
[09:07] <carlos> morning!
[09:08] <thumper> evening :-)
[09:14] <carlos> BjornT: hi, around?
[09:16] <BjornT> hi carlos 
[09:16] <carlos> BjornT: could we have a meeting today about BeautifulSoup usage in my TranslationReview branch ?
[09:20] <BjornT> carlos: sure. how about around 13h UTC?
[09:20] <carlos> that's fine
[09:20] <carlos> thanks
[10:31] <carlos> ddaa: ping
[10:31] <ddaa> carlos: in meeting
[10:31] <carlos> ddaa: ok
[10:56] <BjornT> jamesh, spiv, SteveA: reviewer meeting in 5 minutes
[11:03] <BjornT> ok. time for this week's reviewer meeting
[11:03] <BjornT> i'll be chairing the meeting since lifeless is on leave
[11:03] <BjornT> == Agenda ==
[11:03] <BjornT> * Roll call * Queue status. * reviewers to discuss ideas and principles for keeping branch review quick
[11:03] <BjornT> who's here?
[11:03] <jamesh> me
[11:03] <salgado> me
[11:03] <spiv> I'm here.
[11:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75333 in rosetta "Restrict pockets that upload translations into Rosetta" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75333
[11:05] <BjornT> * Queue status
[11:07] <BjornT> the queue looks quite good this week, but there's still some need for improvement. there are the regular old branches in SteveA and kiko's queue. apart from that there's only one 8-day branch in salgado's queue, and one 5-day branch in my queue.
[11:07] <salgado> yeah, I'm going to review that branch today
[11:07] <BjornT> the rest of the branches are 2-3 days only, which is ok considering it has been a weekend.
[11:07] <BjornT> salgado: cool.
[11:08] <BjornT> i'm going to review the oldest branch in my queue today as well.
[11:09] <BjornT> try to keep your queues under control, so that next week all branches will have been review within 72 hours
[11:10] <BjornT> * reviewers to discuss ideas and principles for keeping branch review quick
[11:11] <BjornT> last week we started discussing this. anyone has anything more to add to this discussion?
[11:11] <BjornT> did anyone have any calls about keeping branches short?
[11:12] <jamesh> I didn't.  Did lifeless say he'd assign a few to people to do calls about?
[11:12] <salgado> not me
[11:12] <jamesh> maybe I'm misremembering
[11:14] <BjornT> yeah, he said he would keep an eye of the work-in-progress branches and make sure that people that had large branches got a call.
[11:14] <BjornT> it seems like the newest work-in-progress branches are quite short, though.
[11:14] <jamesh> lots of big ppa branches from cprov
[11:14] <jamesh> but they may all be related
[11:14] <jamesh> so not as huge individually
[11:15] <BjornT> yeah. i remember kiko commenting about that one once.
[11:16] <BjornT> jamesh: last week you proposed adding the revision number to the diff. is there a bug reported for this?
[11:16] <jamesh> BjornT: no bug report yet.  I'll file one now
[11:16] <BjornT> thanks
[11:17] <BjornT> * Other business
[11:17] <BjornT> jamesh: you'll chair next week's meeting, and allocate branches next week, right?
[11:18] <jamesh> okay
[11:18] <BjornT> cool
[11:18] <BjornT> anything else?
[11:20] <BjornT> ok, meeting ended. thanks for coming!
[11:20] <spiv> BjornT: thanks
[11:21] <salgado> thanks BjornT 
[11:22] <jamesh> salgado: I sent a reply to the sprint-dates branch -- I had misread the old validation checks, which is why the validation in that branch was more restrictive.  I've switched back to the original logic for the checks.
[11:23] <jamesh> which also makes the error messages correct :)
[11:23] <salgado> jamesh, cool. I'll have a look and reply in a couple hours
[11:23] <jamesh> salgado: thanks.  I included a diff of the changes I made since your review.
[11:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75336 in launchpad-development-infrastructure "pending-reviews script should include branch revision info in diff header" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75336
[12:27] <salgado> carlos, around?
[12:27] <carlos> salgado: hi
[12:27] <carlos> yes
[12:29] <salgado> hey carlos. we had a problem in our server last friday, and because of that I lost all email I received on thursday. I think the reply your reply to my review of your bug-68014 branch was lost. can you bounce it?
[12:29] <carlos> sure
[12:29] <kiko> good morning
[12:30] <carlos> salgado: sent
[12:30] <salgado> thanks carlos 
[12:30] <carlos> kiko: good morning
[12:37] <kiko> BjornT, ping?
[12:38] <BjornT> hi kiko 
[12:38] <kiko> how's it going
[12:38] <kiko> good job over the landings last week
[12:38] <kiko> i have a question
[12:38] <kiko> https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/cpio/+filebug
[12:38] <kiko> BjornT, is it right for that page to ask me about the source package?
[12:40] <BjornT> kiko: hmm. no, probably not, i can't see a reason wanting to change the source package there.
[12:41] <kiko> yeah, quite odd.
[12:53] <matthewrevell> BjornT: ping
[12:54] <BjornT> hi matthewrevell 
[12:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75346 in rosetta "We need a UI that allows to discard any translation from a user" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75346
[12:56] <matthewrevell> BjornT: Howdy. I'm working on some text for the new 1.0 marketing pages. Do you have a few minutes, at some point today, to help me fully understand what makes Malone cool
[12:58] <BjornT> matthewrevell: sure. some time after 14h UTC would be good for me.
[12:58] <matthewrevell> BjornT: Great. Shall I ping you just after 14:00?
[12:59] <BjornT> sure
[12:59] <matthewrevell> BjornT: Thanks, speak to you later.
[12:59] <seb128> carlos: hi
[01:01] <carlos> seb128: hi
[01:01] <seb128> carlos: is feisty open on launchpad?
[01:02] <seb128> rosetta I mean
[01:03] <carlos> seb128: not yet. I need to talk with kiko and danilos about that
[01:03] <carlos> seb128: and I want to have it done before Christmas 
[01:03] <seb128> ok
[01:03] <seb128> because you told me previous cycle it would be open when feisty is open in launchpad ;)
[01:04] <seb128> if it doesn't take months again that's ok ;)
[01:22] <aa_> hi, sorry about this, I know I ask this about once every couple of months, but can I delete a series from the launchpad please?
[01:25] <mvo> when I checkin code via sftp into bazaar.launchpad.net it seems like there is a certain lack (>15min) until that checkin becomes available for people checking out the branch via http. is that correct? or is something going wrong?
[01:25] <aa_> also I would rather like to remove a branch
[01:26] <aa_> and thirdly to cap it off, I am planning on moving back to subversion (sorry bzr is starting to really upset me) so can I remove all my branches?
[01:28] <aa_> mvo: I think that is normal, I get the same thing. I assume it is the lag in mirroring your personal branch (sftp) to the publicly available http branch
[01:29] <mvo> aa_: ok, thanks
[01:29] <aa_> mvo: "I think" :)
[01:45] <carlos> seb128: I know, but then, you decided to open Feisty before Edgy was released ;-) and we had to disable the opening of translations when the distro is open too
[01:46] <carlos> seb128: it's just a matter of plan the opening, that's all
[01:46] <seb128> carlos: well, feisty is open for a month now, what is blocking you?
[01:46] <carlos> seb128: allhands, UDS and vacations
[01:47] <seb128> carlos: yeah, that I understand, just you didn't look like you are sure to manage to do it before end of year, any blocker?
[01:47] <carlos> seb128: that we get a small window to shutdown launchpad for three hours
[01:47] <carlos> to do the copy
[01:48] <carlos> it's a coordination thing more than other thing
[01:48] <seb128> carlos: ok good ;)
[01:48] <seb128> I want evolution translated again :p
[01:49] <carlos> seb128: ;-)
[01:55] <carlos> BjornT: meeting in 5 minutes ?
[01:59] <BjornT> carlos: sure
[02:09] <aa_> I'll take that as a "no" then. Oh well, keep up the good work everyone :)
[02:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75351 in rosetta "Incorrect text strings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75351
[02:12] <salgado> aa_, can you add a ticket on launchpad (https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+addticket)? that should be the best way to get your request done
[02:12] <aa_> ok, will do
[02:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75355 in rosetta "Lock down upstream translations" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75355
[02:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75356 in malone "adding a backport task doesn't work if there already is one" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75356
[02:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75357 in rosetta "Upstream translation import status page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75357
[02:31] <aa_> oh, seems my issue is a common one and it has bugs (I guess I could "me too" them)
[02:32] <aa_> In fact, I think I might just not stop using bzr
[02:36] <LarstiQ> aa_: what in bzr is upsetting you so?
[02:37] <radix> \
[02:37] <radix> woops.
[02:48] <salgado> jamesh, still around?
[03:01] <kiko> okay! I now have a bit more real estate for my tabs
[03:08] <LarstiQ> kiko: use spaces instead!
[03:28] <jamesh> salgado: yeah
[03:31] <salgado> jamesh, I just noticed that we may want to change the way we render DropDownWidgets with a size greater than 1 (or any other value that we choose) now that the new form-layout branch has landed. I mean, change it to place the label on a line by itself, like we do for textarea widgets
[03:32] <salgado> what do you think?
[03:33] <jamesh> salgado: iirc, the reason for making text area widgets full width was that you often want to make use of the full width when entering in paragraphs of text
[03:33] <LarstiQ> jamesh: woot! I wanted to look at pygame source code, and `bzr branch http://launchpad.net/products/pygame` just worked!
[03:33] <jamesh> do we have the same issue for select boxes?
[03:33] <jamesh> LarstiQ: soon you might be able to use "https://launchpad.net/pygame"
[03:34] <salgado> no, I don't think so. better to leave it as is, then
[03:34] <jamesh> salgado: might be worth asking mpt when he's back
[03:54] <kiko> carlos, ping?
[03:54] <carlos> kiko: pong
[03:54] <kiko> carlos, what time are we talking?
[03:54] <carlos> in 6 minutes
[03:55] <kiko> okidok.
[04:04] <flacoste> kiko: reminder that you have to read/approve SupportTrackerRenaming
[04:05] <danilos> kiko, carlos: I'll be back in a min
[04:05] <carlos> danilos: ok
[04:05] <kiko> ok
[04:05] <kiko> flacoste, thanks
[04:10] <danilos> I'm back, kiko, carlos
[04:10] <carlos> hi
[04:10] <danilos> hi
[04:10] <carlos> kiko: launchpad-meeting?
[04:11] <kiko> sure
[04:21] <kiko> BjornT, ping?
[04:23] <BjornT> kiko: pong
[04:23] <kiko> BjornT, I was going to ask you about letting carlos do the BeautifulSoup change to his tests later, but I think it's not really necessary
[04:26] <BjornT> ok. it should be quite quick to convert the tests to use BeautifulSoup.
[04:29] <kiko> yeah.
[04:33] <aa_> LarstiQ: it's not so much upsetting me, I'll be honest. All in all it is pretty nice, and I really like distributed version control, and well...when I put it like that I decide to stick with it. I think the main complaint is the lengthy checkout times
[04:33] <aa_> LarstiQ: but then I barely ever check out my own software from new
[04:34] <LarstiQ> aa_: what kind of branches are you dealing with that the checkout time is so noticeable?
[04:48] <aa_> LarstiQ: I don't understand what you mean by "type of branch" I assume they are knits or something
[04:48] <aa_> LarstiQ: people say 15-20 minutes, and my application is pretty small
[04:49] <aa_> LarstiQ: sorry for the lag, half my head is somewhere else :)
[04:53] <LarstiQ> aa_: I meant rough size qua amount of files/revisions, say, a kernel sized project.
[04:53] <LarstiQ> aa_: 15-20? I can get bzr.dev in 3 :/
[04:54] <aa_> oh 1300 revs or so, 15Mb on disk
[04:54] <aa_> yeah I don't believe 15-20!
[04:55] <aa_> I'll do a test in about 4 minutes when this machine reboots
[04:55] <LarstiQ> thanks
[04:57] <carlos> BjornT: so, will be possible to get the review answer for TranslationReview between today and tomorrow morning? (if there is anything else other than the move to BeautifulSoup)
[04:59] <BjornT> carlos: yes. we'll see if i'll have time tonight, otherwise tomorrow morning for sure. it'd be great if you could send me a diff of the changes you did already.
[05:00] <carlos> BjornT: nothing changed yet. I will start with BeautifulSoup tomorrow morning
[05:00] <carlos> BjornT: if you didn't start yet and you prefer it
[05:01] <carlos> you could wait for the diff with BeautifulSoup code
[05:01] <kiko-fud> carlos, don't forget your activity report for today
[05:02] <kiko-fud> okay, moving out
[05:02] <carlos> BjornT: the only problem is that I merged from rocketfuel already what I sent to you so I'm not sure whether I will be able to provide you with a full diff of my changes since last review
[05:02] <carlos> kiko-fud: don't worry
[05:03] <BjornT> carlos: ok. i'll probably send you a reply anyway.
[05:03] <carlos> ok
[05:04] <carlos> BjornT: thanks
[05:04] <aa_> LarstiQ: as if by some stroke of fun: 2m59.789s
[05:05] <LarstiQ> aa_: over what transport, http?
[05:05] <aa_> LarstiQ: yes http
[05:05] <aa_> I can't get sftp from this location
[05:06] <aa_> oh well, I guess if I set it up I could
[05:06] <LarstiQ> seems reasonable then?
[05:06] <aa_> yeah pretty reasonable
[05:07] <aa_> I wonder what people were talking about
[05:08] <LarstiQ> waay back with an older disk format things were noticeably slower, perhaps they remember that.
[05:08] <aa_> well, if they ever contributed any code, I guess they would have a right to moan :D
[05:08] <LarstiQ> users will moan too ;)
[05:09] <aa_> I should just release more often
[05:09] <LarstiQ> aa_: what project is it?
[05:09] <aa_> pida, and ide
[05:09] <aa_> pida.berlois.de (apologies for spam)
[05:09] <LarstiQ> aah, pida
[05:10] <aa_> hah, that sounds bad
[05:10] <LarstiQ> nope, not bad at all :)
[05:10] <LarstiQ> just remembrance
[05:11] <LarstiQ> aa_: anything that can embed vim has my seal of approval ;0
[05:11] <aa_> hah, most vimmers seem to disagree, but well I don't have time to develop it more than I need at the moment...
[05:12] <LarstiQ> aa_: if there is anything bzr wise that comes up, feel free to bug me in #bzr or private
[05:12] <aa_> LarstiQ: thanks, will do
[05:15] <aa_> LarstiQ: perhaps just a note from what the users are saying. I think it is the lack of visual feedback for that length of time that makes people reach for control-C
[05:15] <aa_> fetch phase 2 or whatever
[05:15] <LarstiQ> aa_: any idea what version of bzr they are using?
[05:15] <aa_> no, they are talking about vague memories of a time way back when
[05:16] <LarstiQ> there has been some recent (unmerged) work to make the progress much more informational
[05:16] <aa_> oh, interesting. Well, I am sticking with bzr until my next flight of fancy in a couple of months, so they can live with it
[05:16] <LarstiQ> so I have good hopes for 0.14 fixing the largest part of that complaint.
[05:16] <LarstiQ> aa_: hehe
[05:36] <carlos> ok, see you tomorrow!!
[06:20] <jordi> matthewrevell: ping
[06:20] <matthewrevell> jordi: hey
[06:20] <jordi> carlos: ping
[06:20] <jordi> matthewrevell: we had a long weekend :)
[06:20] <matthewrevell> jordi: Nice :)
[06:26] <ace> hi all
[06:26] <ace> how to make more people follow the bugs in my products (malone)
[06:26] <ace> is that phrased clear enough !?
[06:27] <LarstiQ> I can take a guess.
[06:27] <ace> LarstiQ: yo..
[06:27] <LarstiQ> ace: you want notifications of new bugs and changes to old ones for your products to be mailed to more people than just you?
[06:27] <ace> yep, guessed quite good :-)
[06:28] <LarstiQ> ace: if you assign a team to the bugcontact for a product, all people in that team will get notifications
[06:28] <ace> aha
[06:29] <LarstiQ> ace: https://bugs.launchpad.net/products/<product here>/+bugcontact
[06:29] <LarstiQ> ace: or, you could change the registrant/owner of a product
[06:29] <ace> tired that
[06:29] <LarstiQ> but?
[06:29] <ace> went to that page, choose 'a team that I am creating here' and got stuck in an endless loop
[06:30] <LarstiQ> that might be a launchpad bug
[06:30] <LarstiQ> ace: did you try with a preexisting team?
[06:30] <ace> probably :-) this is #launchpad :-))
[06:31] <ace> LarstiQ: no, not yet, I wil try shortly
[06:31] <ace> LarstiQ: but I need to create a team first, yeah ? I think I couldn't find that either. I'll look again
[06:33] <ace> LartsiQ: yep, made a team :-)
[06:38] <LarstiQ> ace: and that worked?
[06:40] <ace> LarstiQ: ehr... I was still configuring the team, add some people and so on.
[06:40] <LarstiQ> ok
[06:41] <ace> Then I tried to make a poll. It asks : when will the poll open:
[06:41] <ace> and I type (yesterday) but as a date of course.
[06:41] <ace> so, now I can not add options to the poll (a poll with zero optopns)
[06:41] <ace> and I can not edit the dates of the poll, because the poll is 'already open'.
[06:42] <ace> Maybe LP should warn of a date in the past :-))))
[06:42] <ace> anyway, I will now try to add the team to bugcontact...
[06:42] <LarstiQ> ace: I can't keep up searching https://bugs.launchpad.net/products/launchpad to see if they already exist, slow down! ;P
[06:43] <LarstiQ> https://bugs.launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/28670 for the poll one
[06:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 28670 in launchpad "Shouldn't be able to create a poll with a date in the past" [Medium,Confirmed]  
[06:43] <ace> Cool :-)
[06:43] <ace> Successfully changed the bug contact to Suares & Co !
[06:44] <LarstiQ> and for the team loop, it could be https://bugs.launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/70807
[06:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70807 in launchpad "Properly redirect people when creating new accounts" [High,Confirmed]  
[06:45] <ace> LarstiQ: Good work! 
[06:45] <ace> LarstiQ: one more then: how to get rid of a bzr branch ?
[06:45] <ace> https://code.launchpad.net/products/qwikzite/
[06:45] <LarstiQ> ace: also a known problem, it can't be done at this time.
[06:45] <ace> okay
[06:46] <ace> I will test the team bug reports, if that works, at least I am quite happy.
[06:46] <LarstiQ> ace: do you live in Curacao?
[06:46] <ace> yep ! why !?
[06:46] <LarstiQ> ace: first time I've met someone in the floss community from de antillen :)
[06:46] <ace> ha, who'd that be ?
[06:47] <LarstiQ> ace: you!
[06:47] <ace> grin
[06:47] <ace> wouter ? hmm ??? 
[06:47] <ace> when did we meet ?
[06:47] <ace> oh sorry
[06:47] <ace>  i read wrong
[06:48] <ace> i thought you met someone already but you're meeting me now
[06:48] <LarstiQ> exactly
[06:48] <ace> http://trends.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/11/05/2029201&tid=148&tid=2&tid=150&tid=132&tid=18&tid=11
[06:48] <ace> http://trends.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/11/16/1854201&tid=148&tid=18&tid=150&tid=2&tid=37&tid=132
[06:48] <ace> these url's to prove that at least I am trying for several years now :-)
[06:49] <LarstiQ> ace: neat!
[06:49] <ace> so, where will your next tropical holyday be :-))))
[06:49] <LarstiQ> haha :)
[06:49] <ace> you active lp developer ???
[06:50] <LarstiQ> well, my roommate is quarter curacaoian (hmm, what is the English for that?)
[06:50] <LarstiQ> ace: not at all, just a user.
[06:50] <ace> okay but thanks for your help !!!
[06:50] <LarstiQ> so _if_ I take a tropical holiday, it might very well be.
[06:50] <ace> it helped me quite good. you oughta get some karma for that :-)
[06:50] <LarstiQ> ace: no problem :)
[06:51] <ace> your lp profile ?
[06:52] <LarstiQ> https://launchpad.net/people/larstiq
[06:53] <ace> lartiq: nice to meet you !
[06:53] <ace> larstiq: nice to meet you !
[06:54] <LarstiQ> ace: likewise :)
[06:55] <ace> You know, I don't do a lot of dev work, just enough to get by with my CMS and control panel-like software, and 
[06:55] <ace> it's quite a lot of work to keep up, learn, etc etc all the tools. Bzr ? much easier then cvs ! 
[06:55] <ace> but still, I got stuck somewhere. Same now with LP, but you helped me out quite gooed.
[06:55] <LarstiQ> ace: are you stuck somewhere with bzr?
[06:55] <ace> it's really not so easy to find a good way to develop stuff.
[06:56] <ace> yep, but I will get back to that some day. For now, I am happy with the bug reporting tool.
[06:56] <ace> When I got all the bugs in there, I will start developing at these bugs and then I wil defiAtely ask you for help :-)))))
[06:57] <LarstiQ> ace: deal! #bzr is full of friendly people able to help, so come visit us there :)
[06:57] <ace> You'll meet me there soon enough :-)
[06:57] <ace> hee this lojban
[06:57] <ace> funny, it looks like there is more people working on translating
[06:58] <ace> ubuntu in lojban than in to papiamentu
[06:58] <ace> (there is no one working on papiamentu now)
[06:58] <ace> weird eh...
[06:59] <LarstiQ> "working" would be overstressing my involvement with lojban translation at the moment :/
[07:01] <ace> got ta go now, see ya later :=)
[07:02] <LarstiQ> ciao!
[08:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75391 in malone "+packagebugs doesn't list packages for teams" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75391
[09:07] <kiko> dupe!
[09:08] <Gwaihir> kiko...
[09:08] <Gwaihir> hi!
[09:08] <Gwaihir> I've a question-specification...
[09:09] <Gwaihir> is it possible (or there's a plan)
[09:09] <kiko> milo!
[09:09] <kiko> shoot
[09:09] <kiko> what's cooking?
[09:09] <Gwaihir> to filter or divide ubuntu and kubuntu specifi package
[09:09] <Gwaihir> *specific
[09:09] <kiko> Gwaihir, in the context of translations or bugs or something else?
[09:09] <Gwaihir> in the context of translation... sorry...
[09:10] <kiko> okay, cool.
[09:10] <Gwaihir> when I open the page for tranlsation with all the packages...
[09:10] <kiko> there's no real way of doing this today, is there?
[09:10] <Gwaihir> no...
[09:10] <mhb> not that I know of
[09:10] <kiko> Gwaihir, say, for edgy/+translations?
[09:10] <Gwaihir> yes...
[09:11] <kiko> okay. and you're suggesting something to tag groups of templates?
[09:11] <Gwaihir> Ubuntu and Kubuntu translators have to go through all packages to find one... 
[09:11] <Gwaihir> yes.. something similar...
[09:11] <kiko> so how will this help end-users?
[09:11] <kiko> or, more importantly, what end-users does this serve?
[09:11] <Gwaihir> it would help translators...
[09:12] <Gwaihir> easier finding of what is Ubuntu and Kubuntu...
[09:12] <Gwaihir> or what is both...
[09:13] <Gwaihir> so people could look to a restrict group of packages
[09:13] <kiko> would this be any translator
[09:13] <kiko> or translators of specific groups?
[09:13] <kiko> or.. well, tell me more about this.
[09:13] <mhb> tagging would be helpful in more ways, I guess
[09:13] <Gwaihir> mhb: yes... this is what came in my mind...
[09:14] <mhb> like tagging those translations that have no upstream (Rosetta is the de facto upstream)
[09:14] <Gwaihir> kiko: actually for all translation group
[09:15] <Gwaihir> so I don't have a mixed ubuntu and kubuntu list of packages...
[09:15] <kiko> I want more concrete examples though
[09:15] <Gwaihir> ok...
[09:17] <Gwaihir> if I look here: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+lang/it
[09:17] <kiko> you see a bunch of packages. right.
[09:17] <kiko> that I know.
[09:17] <Gwaihir> there are some packages that i can guess are ubuntu and kubunt from their name...
[09:17] <kiko> what I want to know is what you would /like/ to see! :)
[09:17] <Gwaihir> ah... :)
[09:17] <mhb> if tagging only for a specific language were possible, I can coordinate the team faster
[09:18] <Gwaihir> some kind of differentiation from ubuntu and kubuntu...
[09:18] <somerville32> Gwaihir, Why?
[09:18] <Gwaihir> maybe different color...
[09:18] <Gwaihir> take the desktopguide for example
[09:19] <Gwaihir> there is no distincition in the name from ubuntu, kubuntu and xubuntu
[09:19] <Gwaihir> they all are desktopguide
[09:20] <somerville32> Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc. are all the same except for the seeds list.
[09:20] <somerville32> ie. Whats included by default
[09:20] <Gwaihir> so we could easy see which package belongs to which distro
[09:20] <Gwaihir> this is true now...
[09:20] <somerville32> So an Xubuntu package is a Ubuntu package, Kubuntu Package, as well
[09:20] <Gwaihir> but maybe it could change
[09:21] <mhb> I still think tagging packages or commenting them through Rosetta would be helpful
[09:22] <mhb> so I don't need extra infrastructure to explain to new translators which packages should stay the same etc.
[09:23] <mhb> or which translator is taking care of what package
[09:23] <mhb> (we have to divide the work somehow)
[09:23] <Gwaihir> mhb: that could be handy.. yes
[09:23] <kiko> that's a different use case though.
[09:23] <mhb> kiko: yes, it is
[09:25] <Gwaihir> actually I was thinking a way to diff the packages
[09:25] <mhb> kiko: However, if you can tag packages you will solve the Gwaihir's problem as well (you're able to tag some packages "kubuntu" and some "ubuntu" ...)
[09:25] <Gwaihir> and sort/group them
[09:25] <kiko> mhb, a tag is not a comment though -- tags are one-word.
[09:26] <mhb> kiko: I know
[09:26] <mhb> kiko: comment is a different thing that came to my mind just now
[09:27] <kiko> ah.
[09:31] <mhb> the thing is whether it is better to implement such tags ("kubuntu" "ubuntu" "UpstreamInRosetta") for all translations or leave that up to the l10n team and let all translations have different tags
[09:32] <mhb> IMO the first solution is less resource-intensive so probably better but I'm no LP/Rosetta dev
[09:33] <kiko> I didn't understand the difference.
[09:33] <mhb> oh
[09:34] <mhb> make tags global for all translations (one .po file has the same tags in Czech, Italian, etc.) or make tags special for every language
[09:36] <mhb> is it clear now?
[09:40] <thumper> hey kiko, you up for a quick question?
[09:40] <kiko> thumper, sure. what's up?
[09:40] <thumper> in a page template, what do I use to reference the page name (the last bit of the url)?
[09:40] <thumper> in particular
[09:40] <thumper> I have a form that I want to post to the same page
[09:41] <kiko> you do string manipulation, today
[09:41] <kiko> string:${foo/fmt:url}/+editbar
[09:41] <thumper> foo?
[09:42] <kiko> well
[09:42] <kiko> string:${context/fmt:url}/+editbar
[09:42] <kiko> perhaps
[09:42] <thumper> but if I just want the equivalent of ${foo/fmt:url}, is that a variable somewhere
[09:42] <kiko> or whatever
[09:42] <kiko> I don't quite get what you mean
[09:42] <thumper> for page "foo.html" I have <form method="get" action="">
[09:42] <kiko> right
[09:43] <thumper> but I want to say <form method="get" action="foo.html">
[09:43] <kiko> that has the problem of tacking on GET parameters
[09:43] <salgado> thumper, we usually do action="" or tal:attributes="action request/URL" to get that
[09:43] <kiko> what salgado said now that I understood it :)
[09:43] <thumper> salgado: thanks request/URL is exactly what I want
[09:44] <salgado> np
[10:55] <Gwaihir> bye!