=== exlt [n=exlt@adsl-69-152-244-107.dsl.snantx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:34] I've been searching for why a blacklisted module is still loaded, even though it is listed in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist - I can unload it manually fine - this worked in 6.10, however is not working in feisty [12:36] $ grep pcspkr /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist [12:36] blacklist pcspkr [12:36] $ lsmod |grep pcspkr [12:36] pcspkr 4352 0 === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === exlt just read topic - sorry === exlt [n=exlt@adsl-69-152-244-107.dsl.snantx.swbell.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === ehazlett [n=ehazlett@adsl-68-249-103-255.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@host237-30-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rmjb_ [n=richard@cuscon12866.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zOrK [n=eclipse@200.113.62.168] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kano [n=kano@91.64.67.21] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:23] hi Riddell , are you here === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:25] ok, will come back tomorrow... === Kano [n=kano@91.64.67.21] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === freeflying|away [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rmjb_ is now known as rmjb === rrittenhouse [n=tad@cpe-76-188-35-66.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jelmer [n=jelmer@a62-251-123-16.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dsas [n=dean@host-84-9-168-129.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@host208-142-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jrib [n=jasonr@unaffiliated/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jikanter [n=jordan@c-24-12-220-77.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === geser [n=michael@dialin109166.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:13] Wow, this is special.... [02:13] apt has suddenly decided I don't have anything installed. [02:14] infinity: it loves you [02:14] I had my db corrupted the other day as well, first time ever [02:15] It's rather odd, since dpkg is fully aware of everything being installed, but apt claims nothing is. [02:15] What did you need to force it to regenerate to fix it? === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:19] Oh, perhaps the pkgcache.bin [02:19] Yup, that fixed it. [02:19] Weird. === zOrK [n=eclipse@113-60-214.adsl.cust.tie.cl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@host136-138-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zOrK [n=eclipse@113-60-214.adsl.cust.tie.cl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:17] can someone help me figure out why gnome-cups-manager refuses to set the cups printer properties? [03:17] *something* is hosed. [03:17] See #ubuntu for support :] [03:17] man, I don't want support [03:17] I want to debug the bug [03:21] no? === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@host176-137-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:40] will there ever be a scriptable interface to launchpad [03:40] clicking on a billion buttons and dealing with $browserlagtime is getting really old now [03:41] kinda depends on what you're looking for [03:41] you can do some stuff with email [03:41] there is an email interface [03:42] it still could use more for data mining kind of stuff [03:42] but you can at least file and change bugs via email === boggle [n=spindler@modemcable061.205-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:52] imbrandon: got an amd64/feisty chroot? [03:52] sorry, -ECHANNEL [04:08] LaserJock: how does that work? [04:09] jdong: how does what? email? [04:09] the main things I need to do are (1) change status (2) subscribe ubuntu-archive (3) get a list of bugs for source package foo in ubuntu [04:09] LaserJock: yeah, the e-mail interface [04:11] well for 1 and 2 you should be able to use the email interface [04:11] ok, that's a really good start :) [04:11] how would I do that thru e-mail [04:11] for 3 you can use +bugstext === somerville32 m [04:12] jdong: https://help.launchpad.net/UsingMaloneEmail [04:13] jdong: for 3 us https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source//+bugs-text [04:15] LaserJock: cool. Is there any way to filter that bug list [04:15] LaserJock: I am only interested in open ones [04:15] or are those open ones [04:15] no, there is an LP bug open about that I think [04:16] hmm [04:17] I'd rather not bombard launchpad by scraping every single ticket it tells me about [04:18] and is there a way to retrieve a bug in text? [04:18] the url you gave simply lists all the bugs [04:18] and I've tried a few permutations of that [04:18] that's all I know of [04:18] but #launchpad might have better answers [04:21] ok === iambob [n=user@24.212.25.166] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:23] does ubuntu supports parallel startup of services ? [04:23] jdong: just getting a plain text copy of the bug from some url would help [04:23] LaserJock: that's exactly what I need [04:24] I can use some cheap code to parse the rest [04:24] jdong: I'd +1 a bug on that ;-) === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-124-142.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:24] I'm just trying to build that into a souped-up prevu that presents all the info I need to decide on a backport in one step [04:24] :) [04:24] in other words, I'm getting lazy [04:25] bah, I just need to keep track of a lot of packages [04:25] iambob: I really don't know for sure but I don't think yet by default [04:25] jdong: do you know if upstart does parallel service startup? [04:26] not currently [04:26] i think it should be a wanted feature... it is supported by windows, mac os and the like... but we need that in linux also [04:26] it will be able to from what I'm told [04:26] but right now upstart behaves exactly like sysvinit [04:27] but it is intended that upstart will soon be able to parallelize [04:27] iambob: does that answer your question? === budgie [n=budgie@c211-30-248-168.mirnd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:31] yes === iambob [n=user@24.212.25.166] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === hunger_ [n=tobias@p54A733A1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@blk-89-202-206.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mruiz [n=mruiz@pc-134-66-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.87.136] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rrittenhouse [n=tad@cpe-76-188-35-66.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Xof [n=mas01cr@gibbons.doc.gold.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === timfros1 [n=timfrost@125-238-33-97.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Pupeno_ [n=Pupeno@154-169-126-200.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has left #ubuntu-devel ["trombone"] === _jason [n=jasonr@unaffiliated/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === timfrost [n=timfrost@125-238-33-97.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:44] elmo: ping [06:44] elmo: re -devel-discuss and -news moderator passwords === AstralJava [n=jokitalo@cm-087-94-053-172.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === somerville32 [n=somervil@fctnnbsc15w-156034086016.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dous [n=dous@124.105.152.186] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.12.128.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@139.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ebryn_ [n=ebryn@c-71-201-174-102.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AstralJava [n=jokitalo@cm-087-94-053-172.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@host-84-9-49-111.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@195.Red-88-0-156.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A678F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@177.Red-83-54-74.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-103-133.w90-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-103-133.w90-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@126.243-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex-weej [n=alex@halls-129-31-82-59.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F71285.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:56] good morning [09:58] dholback: Trinity promised me you'd pay me with a hug. === olemke [n=olemke@193.10.130.20] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:59] *dholbach [09:59] heya somerville32 [09:59] Hi :] [09:59] somerville32: oh really? for what? ;-) [10:00] He got mad at me sending an MRI review request to ubuntu-devel but then I pointed out that it is in the workflow as described on the wiki [10:00] *for [10:00] He said he wasn't very good at the hugging thing but he'd get you to give me one the next time he saw you. [10:00] MRI? MainInclusionReport? [10:00] Yes. [10:01] s/Trinity/infinity/g [10:01] Gah [10:01] ah ok, that's a MIR ;-) [10:01] It is 5am here now [10:01] I can't be held responsible for typos [10:01] === dholbach hugs somerville32 anyway - which package do you want in main? [10:01] xjump [10:01] apparently an alarming number of people are addicted to it [10:02] uh huh? === dholbach installs it [10:02] . o O { produtivity ~> 0} [10:03] ok, addiction won't happen - I'm too stupid for it :) [10:03] wii! [10:06] Who is going to the cc on Tuesday? [10:06] with any luck the CC will [10:07] elmo: I find that unlikely, considering their previous record. [10:07] Or at least not until 30 minutes or so after it starts. [10:07] Has the CC lineup changed or is that secret information? [10:08] It hasn't been put to vote yet, so no. === Fujitsu notes the lack of Keybuk over the past number of days. [10:10] infinity: please give back the build of vdrift, thanks [10:13] Gah, the xjump game is hard. :/ [10:13] somerville32: Yeah, it can be. [10:14] Icy Tower was popular for quite a while at school. [10:14] Trippy [10:14] I think they've modified the algorithms to make it significantly easier than XJump. === timfrost [n=timfrost@125-238-33-97.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:16] I can't make it past floor 9 [10:18] I've been to 13 [10:19] i've made 27 [10:19] 28 :) [10:19] floor 3 [10:19] ! [10:20] 3! [10:20] you need to use counter-balance (i.e. don't just jump in one direction). that makes it easier to control. [10:20] neuralis: thanks a lot, but I think I don't want to find out ;-) [10:21] heh [10:21] Someone in Xubuntu made it above 100 [10:22] i just did 46 on my third try. === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-176ebaddef366e7d] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:24] Oh god, I got #ubuntu-devel addicted now too [10:24] Doh. [10:25] somerville32, what did i tell you about distracting the developers? [10:26] Hobsee is going to get me good now. : ( [10:26] i have her phone number around here somewhere [10:27] Oh god, it's more addictive than tetris. o.O === thom predicts moonbuggy will be next [10:28] thom: moon-buggy is SO 2003 [10:28] (or was it 2002?) [10:29] 2002 [10:29] if not earlier [10:29] yeah, #u-d seems to be doing the same trends now though :_) === Spads [n=spacehob@host-84-9-49-111.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@161.53.50.54] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:33] elmo: Burgundavia was looking for you earlier. Did you get a hold of him? [10:33] somerville32: he sent his request to RT, and it'll get dealt with, thanks [10:34] Awesome. :] === Mithrandir [n=tfheen@vawad-xen1.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:38] Mithrandir: good morning. re sync request #72988. why do we need a changelog if the delta of ubuntu<->debian is empty (modulo changelog)? [10:39] hey Tollef [10:40] hiya Daniel, Michael [10:40] mvo: a bit unsure actually; It's listed unconditionally in the "Syncs" bit of developerresources, but I agree it's kinda pointless. === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:41] Mithrandir: ok, thanks. maybe this can be disussed in the next meeting or just changed to exclude packages with empty delta [10:43] mvo: I think we can just change the procedure, I'll change the ext. [10:44] text, even [10:44] Mithrandir: great, thanks a lot :) [10:48] mvo: actually, I think I'll leave it since it makes a lot more sense after UVF. [10:49] Mithrandir: right, for UVF that is true. its less important for the other times [10:50] before UVF it's less important, yes. [10:53] mvo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources#syncs looks good to you? [10:54] Mithrandir: yes, looks good [10:59] cjwatson: when you are around, i would like to look at network-console with you to start working on sparc64-installer.. mind to ping me when you are alive enough? [11:01] fabbione: I'm alive, after a fashion [11:01] cjwatson: moin. [11:02] yo [11:02] Evening, cjwatson. [11:03] cjwatson: ok... i think to test nc we will need at least to move it to main.. [11:03] cjwatson: so that i can actually tell anna to load it.. [11:03] cjwatson: do we need a MIR for such small piece of sshd wrapper? [11:03] yes [11:03] I'll do one [11:03] I already have the seed diff in my tree somewhere [11:04] cjwatson: you are too fast for me :) [11:04] cjwatson: if you want i can do the MIR and offload you [11:04] it's ok, it'll help me wake up [11:04] mvo: however, it would be good if you in the future also included the rest of the information, like version number. [11:07] cjwatson: ok as you wish :) === ivoks [n=ivoks@0-225.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:13] cjwatson: afaict network-console is the only one that needs source and binary move to main. all the other sources are in main.. [11:13] cjwatson: i don't think there is any binary that needs shuffling === Znarl [n=karl@bb-82-108-14-161.ukonline.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cjwatson_ [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson [11:17] 10:14 < cjwatson> untrue [11:17] 10:15 < cjwatson> openssh-server-udeb | 1:4.3p2-6ubuntu1 | feisty/universe/debian-installer | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc [11:17] 10:15 < cjwatson> don't worry, I can keep track of this sort of thing myself [11:17] fabbione: ^-- [11:18] cjwatson: oh right.. yes and i even saw that one :) but the source is in main so it's not a major pain [11:18] indeed, and I've mentioned it in the inclusion report [11:18] cjwatson: i was only trying to be somehow so to speak useful :) [11:18] it's not important, but you claimed the opposite so :) [11:18] thinko.. becuase i saw it [11:18] whatever anyway.. thanks for double checking :) [11:22] I'd already written that part of the report ;) [11:22] MainInclusionReportNetworkConsole, anyway; in the queue for review === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:25] Mithrandir: ok, sorry for that [11:26] mvo: no problem, I just got a tad confused about the one which had been synced already. === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === human_blip [n=mike@220.157.65.29] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@82.108.80.245] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dade` [n=dade@nectarine/admin/dade] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:01] so ... any objections to me switching d-i over to using the -generic kernels? [12:01] I was planning to leave the netboot installer on -386 [12:02] so that there's still *some* way to install with the -386 kernel, just not by default [12:03] this will free up a bit of space on the i386 CDs because we won't have to ship linux-headers-386 any mre [12:03] more [12:03] I'm all for anything which gives us more space [12:03] might actually have two netboot builds, one -386 and one -generic; that would work ... === ailean [n=ailean@82-40-205-105.stb.ubr07.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:07] Keybuk: Can you please convince MoM that it wants to work again? === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:08] Fujitsu: what isn't working at the moment? [12:08] It hasn't updated in 4 days. [12:09] so it hasn't [12:09] It makes merging a little more difficult when you can't easily see what actually needs to be merged. [12:09] it's stuck updating the pool for some reason [12:09] What fun. [12:10] *kicks it* [12:10] I've been doing that for days :P === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:14] mvo: you around? apt is not marking packages with depends issues as held back again [12:15] gnomefreak: what bugnumber? [12:15] gnomefreak: or how to reproduce :) ? [12:15] havent filed it yet [12:15] mvo: i just ran dist-upgrade [12:16] i just woke up so havent gottent o a bug yet i will file one now === geser [n=michael@dialin108245.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jonh_wendell [n=wendell@200165129086.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:17] fabbione: note that os-prober is in bzr, if you're working on it [12:17] cjwatson: i am only looking at it for now.. nothing more === jonh_wendell [n=wendell@200165129086.user.veloxzone.com.br] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Bye"] [12:17] ok, well https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/os-prober/ubuntu anyway [12:17] cjwatson: but thanks. i will make sure to give you branches in case it needs change [12:18] just commit directly [12:18] ok === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:18] mvo: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/75343 [12:18] Malone bug 75343 in apt "[Feisty] dist-upgrade not marking as held back" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [12:18] cjwatson: i assume/guess all of d-i is in bzr now... === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:18] mvo: im gonna see if there is a work around maybe upgrade will work [12:18] fabbione: lots, not quite all [12:19] fabbione: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallerDevelopment has some random witter about this [12:19] cjwatson: ok. i will make sure to coordinate uploads with you anyway. [12:19] sure, thanks [12:19] no problem at all [12:21] gnomefreak: I have a look, thanks. maybe it is related to the recent "Breaks: " changes [12:21] mvo: only thing that works is apt-get -f install [12:22] mvo: aptitude might but rather use -f install [12:22] Keybuk: is merge-o-matic being updated? [12:23] Riddell: see 15 minutes ago [12:23] mvo: i added the output of apt-get -f install so you can see what will be removed/installed [12:24] Riddell: yes [12:25] gnomefreak: ok, thanks [12:25] yw [12:25] Keybuk, azeem: ok [12:26] mvo: I finished my qt-language-selector changes, do you want to review them or do you trust me to merge and upload? [12:26] mvo: I wanted to get you to have a look at build failure when you have a spare moment, too. [12:27] mvo: It builds fine on Debian, but not on Ubuntu, and I think I've nailed it down to the Ubuntu changes. The package in question is libept. [12:27] mvo: screenshots at, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyFawn/Herd2/Kubuntu, I think the changes make it much more usable [12:27] (The Ubuntu changes for apt, that is.) [12:27] StevenK: uh oh [12:27] StevenK: which ubuntu changes? [12:28] Riddell: feel free to upload, screenshots look good [12:28] I haven't quite pulled it apart, given the patch is 4Mb. [12:28] StevenK: can you give me the url with the build failure message? [12:29] StevenK: i.e. were it fails [12:29] ? [12:29] mvo: http://librarian.launchpad.net/5346111/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-i386.libept_0.4.7_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [12:29] StevenK: libept should be in sync with debian [12:29] StevenK: thanks, I check it after lunch [12:29] mvo: Thank you. [12:29] Riddell: It is. *Apt* has changed [12:29] Riddell: we added support for translated package descriptions, not sure that is available upstream yet [12:29] mm === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F7129.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dous_ [n=dous@124.104.13.161] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fernando_ [n=fernando@189.0.152.185] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:05] mvo: FYI for when you return. using apt-get -f install worked than after that i ran sudo apt-get install and after changing a few versions of a couple apps it seems to have worked. [01:05] gnomefreak: do you have any unusual sources.list? [01:06] nope i had a koffice repo but got rid of it when 1.6.1 hit feisty repos [01:06] is this for kubuntu-desktop? [01:06] but that doesnt explain everything else :( [01:06] Hobbsee: just upgrade [01:06] Keybuk: Is MoM likely to be fixed at any point in the near future? [01:06] Fujitsu: Bed, huh? === Gerrath [n=Shane_@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:07] ah [01:07] StevenK: Maybe bed, but maybe not :P === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:08] mvo: libegroupwise and libexchange-storage changed versions and libgnutls12 is no longer in repos [01:10] Fujitsu: no, mom will never work again [01:11] Keybuk: why not? [01:11] because I'm clearly not the kind of guy who fixes something when a problem is alerted to him [01:11] you've written another, super-leet tool for merging? [01:11] (hint: MoM is running now) [01:11] ah [01:11] Ah, it takes a significant amount of time to run? === StevenK teaches Hobbsee about "facetious" === Fujitsu teaches StevenK about IRC being a text-based medium. [01:12] StevenK: actually, the lines were probably sent at about the same time [01:12] Fujitsu: yes, hours === StevenK whispers "Microsoft Comic Chat" === Fujitsu clobbers StevenK. === Hobbsee washes StevenK's mouth out with soap [01:13] Keybuk: Ah, that'd do it. [01:13] Eeek [01:13] Hobbsee: Industrial strength, I hope? [01:13] :-p [01:13] Fujitsu: of course === hunger_ [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:16] doko: about your ia32-libs-scim ; what about ia64? I assume there aren't native OOo binaries for that arch? === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:18] Mithrandir: we removed the openoffice.org-amd64 source, so there's no need to keep ia32-libs-scim [01:18] Question: cd ; touch /tmp/toto ; ln -s /tmp/toto [01:18] (sans vrifier, sinon c'est trop facile) (A) a marche (B) a marche pas, il faut donner une destination ln [01:18] oops [01:18] doko: oh, ok. [01:18] wrong channel, wrong language :-) [01:19] Mithrandir: keeping ia32-libs-gtk makes sense because of apps like third party apps like acrobat. not that sure about ia32-libs-kde [01:20] doko: doesn't acrobat include its own copy of libgtk? [01:21] Mithrandir: if they do, they're not installed into the right directory === stefg [n=chatzill@dslb-088-072-225-226.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:21] Mithrandir: or was it skype? not sure, but I remember bug reports asking for the package === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:22] definitely not skype, since that's qt [01:22] doko: ok; I haven't used skype ever and not acroread since Pentium Pros were the new kids on the block. === mode/#ubuntu-devel [-o thom] by thom [01:23] (definitely not skype to the gtk thing) [01:23] (and iirc acroread used motif then) === TeTeT [n=spindler@montreal.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:26] hmm, bug 24942 mentions realplay [01:26] Malone bug 24942 in ia32-libs-gtk "realplay fails due to gdk-pixbuf not finding loaders." [Medium,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/24942 [01:26] j ubuntuforums === Eons [n=Eons@host-84-221-199-229.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefre1k [n=gnomefre@adsl-221-42-238.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hit1983 [n=hit@222.91.127.178] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hit1983 [n=hit@222.91.127.178] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === hunger__ [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@0-225.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:48] hey, would anyone object to adding mmv to minimal and promoting it to main? it's a stunning 86kb, but hella useful === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:49] stefg: any reason standard wouldn't be enough? [01:50] s/stefg/thom/ [01:50] that's quite a typo. [01:50] heh [01:51] StevenK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/pouetchess/+bug/72052 ; you seemed to be happy with it, but I'd prefer one of you in the motu-sru team to vouch for the correct debdiff, not just the first one. [01:51] Malone bug 72052 in pouetchess "MOTU SRU proposal" [High,Unconfirmed] === StevenK looks. [01:51] well, standard'd work too === divansantana [n=divan@nat65.kcc.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:54] Mithrandir: All done. [01:55] StevenK: thanks, now I just want it fixed in feisty too before accepting. === Zdra [n=zdra@di-net.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:55] Mithrandir: That isn't my issue. :-) [01:55] StevenK: no, I wasn't trying to ask you either. :-) === StevenK grins === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:19] seb128: can you upload a new totem without updated config.{sub,guess}, please? [02:19] (to edgy-updates) [02:19] Mithrandir: why? [02:20] I can probably do that [02:20] I didn't update them [02:20] "The package difference must be a minimal change to fix the bug. Spurious changes to build systems, documentation, functionality will be rejected." [02:20] seb128, any news aboiut libgnomekbd ? [02:20] debian/rules must be doing it [02:20] ogra: ask to some ftpmaster, it's sitting to NEW [02:20] seb128: because I'm going to reject the one in there since it has build system changes. === ehazlett [n=ehazlett@65-116-165-220-frk-dhcp.ffni.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:20] seb128, oh, thanks [02:20] seb128: yeah, it probably copies /usr/share/misc/config.{sub,guess} into the source [02:20] some-ftpmaster, ping :) [02:21] cjwatson, Mithrandir: ok, I'll hack that out [02:21] this is usually a good thing, but not for stable updates. === fernando_ [n=fernando@189.0.154.139] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:21] you can probably avoid that by making the change in a clean unpacked source package and doing 'debuild -S' just once; avoid running debuild in that tree at any other point [02:21] cjwatson: yeah, I though I did [02:21] lemme fix that [02:21] well, unless it does it in the clean target, in which case you might be boned and have to do it by hand [02:21] cjwatson, Keybuk, can one of you un-new libgnomekbd please its holding up gnome screensaver [02:21] Mithrandir: should I update the version? [02:21] seb128: same version is fine. [02:21] ok [02:21] ogra: I can NEW it. [02:22] Mithrandir, then do so please :) [02:22] giskard, any news about ttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttthe power manager package ? else i need to package 2.17 myself, we have some apps that rely on patches to 2.17 now ... === ogra grumbles at xgl for keyboard bugs ... === cypher1 [n=cypher1@59.92.156.233] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:25] ogra: why do you use xgl? === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:25] seb128, its the only thing that works on my laptop for beryl/compiz with fglrx [02:25] oh, you are bling addict now :p [02:26] carlos: hi! [02:26] pitti: hi! [02:26] carlos: is there any ETA for feisty langpacks? [02:26] well, if we push it in feisty i should know about the drawbacks ;) [02:26] so i run one machine with beryl :) === carlos has a deja vu.... === pirast [n=martin@p508B2A20.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:27] pitti: I will plan it today with kiko and danilo [02:27] pitti: I asked him about feisty like one hour ago on #launchpad :p === pitti hugs seb128, didn't know that === pitti hugs carlos, too === seb128 hugs pitti [02:27] wrt desktop effects, with the current feisty packages I lose all window decorations when I enable the effects -- is that just me? [02:28] pitti: Beryl, or Compiz? [02:28] pitti, i've seen the same in compiz .... [02:28] StevenK: compiz [02:28] bery works though [02:28] +l [02:28] I've seen it in Beryl, when you have two copies of Emerald running. [02:28] do you have the window decorator thing running? [02:28] StevenK: erm, compiz I believe [02:29] pitti: it's supposed to start gnome-window-decorator, but I don't appear to have that installed === pitti just played dumb, installed the three packages mjg59 suggested and clicked on 'enable effects' [02:29] oh, it's gtk-window-decorator now [02:29] ogra, pitti: is that ppc? [02:30] ogra: please ask libgnomekbd upstream to update the FSF address in the GPL headers [02:30] seb128, amd64 here (with i386 OS) [02:31] actually, s/ogra/seb128/ === pitti hugs seb128, evolution doesn't crash any more after today's dist-upgrade [02:31] seb128: no, my amd64 workstation; on the ppc, effects are FUBAR anyway [02:31] seb128: (way too slow, tinted in blue, no decorations either) [02:31] Ng: Hm, I do have a gtk-window-decorator binary available [02:32] and on my amd64 the new nvidia driver doesn't give me the full resolution === pitti sighs and wants dapper back :-/ [02:32] ogra,seb128: libgnomekbd accepted [02:33] Mithrandir, TA! :) [02:33] Mithrandir: thank you [02:34] pitti: you're not alone in losing decorations [02:34] pitti: oh, it was crashing, backtrace welcome when that happens :) [02:34] pitti: query BTW? [02:34] & I've got all the bits turned on for xorg.conf that I'm aware of :) [02:34] ok, it's slightly hard to read a discussion between Sebastien Bacher and Sebastian Breier. :-P [02:34] seb128: manually calling gtk-window-decorator --replace doesn't help, BTW [02:35] seb128: crash> probably just due to libraries and evo out of sync; now everything is 2.9 and works again [02:35] seb128: query? [02:36] pitti: grumpf, /me not registred [02:36] pitti: I used Breaks for avoid the out of sync for evo, weird, anyway if it's fixed :) [02:36] seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/gnome-vfs2/+bug/48579 needs some action from your side, can you do that? [02:36] Malone bug 48579 in nautilus "Opening remote locations hangs nautilus" [Unknown,Fix released] [02:36] seb128: ah, I remember; nice [02:40] seb128, ajmitch: hmm, after I log out and back in, the effects button is still enabled, but effects are off again [02:40] Mithrandir: will do, thank you for pointing it [02:41] dholbach: in some cases, I have backport requests which aren't really appropriate as backports, but rather SRUs. What's a good way for me to point the motu SRU team to those bugs? [02:44] Mithrandir: subscribe motu-sru to the bug? [02:45] gra [02:46] pitti: do I need a main promotion for libgnomekbd? ;) That's code which was copied to gnome-control-center and gnome-applets which has been moved to a proper library [02:46] dholbach: sounds good to me. [02:46] SRUs need to be prepared as well as approved in those cases, though [02:46] seb128: not for my sake [02:47] Mithrandir: ? (cf what I just wrote to pitti) [02:47] seb128: to the contrary, that makes sense [02:47] seb128: if it's just reshuffling of code into different packages, I'm fine with putting it directly in main. [02:47] Mithrandir: yep, that's moving code copy to a lib, thank you :) [02:47] control-center Build-Depends on it for a week [02:48] seb128: I guess you want all the binaries in main too? === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:48] so it should jump somewhere on the "to promote" list [02:48] Mithrandir: yes please [02:48] I'll do that once libgnomekbd is published, then [02:49] ok, thank you [02:49] seb128: also, I'm doing archive administration full time those days, but there's so much to do, so little time.. :-) [02:49] feel free to poke about specific problems like "I need this lib now", though [02:49] ok, noted, thank you === seb128 hugs Mithrandir === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === boggle [n=spindler@montreal.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:59] ogra, ping [03:00] giskard, pong [03:00] http://www.buntudot.org/people/~giskard/ === dinosaur-rus [n=dinosaur@ppp85-140-215-213.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:01] ogra, i will be away the entire day.. here ^ you can find dsc and diff for gpm-2.17.3 [03:01]