[12:40] <linuxphotogeek> I just submitted my first patch. What happens now?
[12:40] <jjesse> it gets reviewed and the submitted
[12:42] <linuxphotogeek> Should I expect feedback or just storm ahead?
[12:43] <linuxphotogeek> I'm a new to this process.
[01:01] <dsas> linuxphotogeek: One of the maintainers will pick it up sometime and either commit it, or ask for changes.
[01:01] <dsas> people generally arent too active at this time on a sunday though.
[01:02] <linuxphotogeek> Weekends are my only free geek time. I'll what to see what happens.
[01:03] <dsas> linuxphotogeek: I don't think that the links need to be wrapped in itemizedlist and listitems, but if that's the way the GIMP entry does it...
[01:03] <dsas> Not that I'm someone you should take feedback from too much ;)
[01:04] <dsas> linuxphotogeek: It's cool to be only free on weekends, the mailing list lets us communicate asynchronously, there's usually activity at weekends, just not at midnight on sunday for the desktopguide
[01:04] <linuxphotogeek> I think the idea might be that a project might want more than one link.
[01:05] <linuxphotogeek> It only 4pm here.
[01:06] <dsas> linuxphotogeek: Possibly, like I say, I don't really know <grin>
[01:06] <dsas> linuxphotogeek: mdke is the current primary author/editor of the desktopguide I think, and it's midnight in his timezone...
[01:07] <dsas> linuxphotogeek: Where are you from?
[01:07] <linuxphotogeek> Moscow Idaho
[01:44] <dsas> linuxphotogeek: heh, a place called moscow in america just seems weird
[01:46] <dsas> linuxphotogeek: No offence :) just didn't know such a place existed
[01:53] <LaserJock> linuxphotogeek: sweet, Moscow
[01:53] <LaserJock> I'm from Montana originally
[01:55] <nixternal> hillbilly
[01:56] <nixternal> hehe
[01:56] <LaserJock> I'm not so much a hillbilly though I don't think
[01:57] <LaserJock> I did grow up in the sticks, but more "old West" cowboy kinda stuff
[01:57] <nixternal> thats cool
[01:58] <linuxphotogeek> Our hills are 10,000ft and the billies are moose and brown bears.
[01:58] <linuxphotogeek> and we likes them.
[01:58] <LaserJock> ;-)
[01:58] <LaserJock> one of my good friends lived in Moscow for a while
[01:59] <LaserJock> I think he's in Coeur d'Alene now though
[01:59] <nixternal> Coeur d'Alene, only reason I know that is because of the tragedy there this past year
[02:00] <nixternal> extreme makeover home edition is on...back in a bit :)
[02:00] <LaserJock> heh
[02:00] <linuxphotogeek> bye dinner calls.
[03:11] <david_corrales> heya
[03:16] <LaserJock> hi
[03:16] <david_corrales> I have a quick question about registering OMF files with scrollkeeper
[03:19] <david_corrales> I just copied the omf to the omfdir
[03:19] <david_corrales> and the file resource points correctly
[03:19] <david_corrales> then ran scrollkeeper-update
[03:20] <david_corrales> but if I launch ghelp:name says it won't find it
[03:22] <LaserJock> hmm
[03:22] <LaserJock> I really don't know
[03:22] <david_corrales> that's the process right?
[03:22] <LaserJock> mdke would know but he's asleep
[03:22] <david_corrales> hehe
[03:22] <david_corrales> ah k, I'll try tomorrow :)
[03:22] <david_corrales> thanks
[03:23] <LaserJock> you might try either the omf help in the yelp or the gnome docs channel
[03:24] <david_corrales> I'll try that
[06:02] <Brunellus> stupid question:  what happened to wiki.ubuntu.com and why can't I go to its old start page?
[06:03] <Madpilot> Brunellus, wiki.u.c is still there
[06:03] <Madpilot> which URL are you using?
[06:03] <Brunellus> http://wiki.ubuntu.com
[06:03] <Brunellus> which automatically redirects to the corresponding help.ubuntu.com/community/ page
[06:04] <Brunellus> which is not what I want.  what was wrong with wiki.ubuntu.com?
[06:04] <Burgundavia> help pages are now on the help wiki, at help.u.c/community
[06:04] <Madpilot> wiki.u.c is back to being just team pages, specs, and other internal things. the actual docs are at help.u.c/c
[06:04] <Burgundavia> wiki.u.c is used for non-help stuff
[06:04] <Brunellus> so is there a "start here" at help.u.c/c
[06:05] <Brunellus> let me rephrase that
[06:05] <Burgundavia> yep
[06:05] <Burgundavia> help.ubuntu.com/community
[06:05] <Brunellus> no, but the old "wiki sandbox"
[06:05] <Brunellus> and the rest of it.  you know, for creating new pages.
[06:06] <Burgundavia> just dive in, it is a wiki, just like wiki.ubuntu.com
[06:07] <Brunellus> look, searching for new pages doesn't prompt to make a new one like it used to
[06:07] <Brunellus> I'm sorry if I sound like I'm trolling
[06:07] <Burgundavia> you need to be logged in
[06:07] <Brunellus> but I *am* logged in
[06:08] <Burgundavia> to help.ubuntu.com?
[06:08] <Burgundavia> I get it
[06:09] <Brunellus> got it.
[06:09] <Brunellus> see, on w.u.c., a search that returned no results prompted a "would you like to make a new page"
[06:09] <crimsun> Burgundavia: Issue24 done.
[06:10] <Burgundavia> crimsun: thanks
[06:10] <Brunellus> but cleverly, my overlords have made it so that this is no longer the case.
[06:10] <Burgundavia> I don;t see that on either wiki
[06:11] <Burgundavia> however, if you got a page that doesn't exist, you get the "create a page" \on both wikis
[06:11] <Brunellus> Burgundavia, it used to be the case that a title search that returned no results got the "create a page"
[06:12] <Brunellus> either that or I am smoking crack.
[06:12] <Burgundavia> I think the latter, because I don't remember any such thing, and I have been editing since it was zwiki
[06:13] <Brunellus> fine.
[06:13] <LaserJock> I don't remember it being on title searches either
[06:13] <nixternal> haha, he said the latter
[06:13] <nixternal> Tip of the day: Don't smoke crack while trying to use the wiki
[06:15] <david_corrales> o.o
[07:09] <jeffsch> Burgundavia: re Brunellus: if your personal settings on w.u.c. are "remember last page" or some such, whenever you go to w.u.c it redirects you to the last page you visited
[07:09] <Burgundavia> jeffsch: ah, hmm
[07:10] <jeffsch> if the last page you visited has since been moved and redirected to h.u.c., then there you go
[07:12] <Burgundavia> true, but he was talking about searching
[02:52] <linuxphotogeek> I'm kind of confused about the interplay between documentation that is in YELP, the wiki and Community Contributed. Which is the most appropriate to work on? Which will be the most helpful to the most users?
[03:18] <willvdl> ola, has anyone tried to make all edubuntu docs in trunk?
[03:23] <willvdl> makefile complains about an images directory on /build
[03:33] <willvdl> my bad..forgot to update
[07:25] <david_corrales> morning. Anyone around who knows about scrollkeeper? :)
[09:00] <mihakriket> I am currently working on the wiki for the advance commandline howto, does anybody have any feedback on some features/functions I should include.
[09:43] <mdke_> david_corrales: ghelp only responds to documentation installed in /usr/share/gnome/help/docname, is yours registered there?
[09:44] <david_corrales> I just talked to shaunm and he cleared that for me
[09:44] <david_corrales> it's working now :) thanks man
[09:44] <mdke_> good
[09:44] <david_corrales> should be documented somewhere
[09:44] <mdke_> yeah. I think they are hoping that stuff is just going to go away soon
[09:45] <david_corrales> I read about a new system to replace scrollkeeper
[09:45] <mdke_> yes, Don is developing one
[10:46] <willvdl> ping nixternal
[10:47] <nixternal> willvdl: pong
[10:47] <willvdl> hey there. quick question if I may
[10:48] <willvdl> in svn repo there are branches for the various ubuntu-doc releases.
[10:48] <willvdl> they get packaged with release and are worked on during the release lifecycle
[10:49] <willvdl> how often do they get packaged and added as updates to the archive?
[10:49] <nixternal> they usually get packaged during the last couple of weeks prior tot he main release
[10:50] <willvdl> for testing...
[10:50] <willvdl> [review] 
[10:50] <nixternal> well, as long ast he Makefiles are correct, they will build out for review on http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu
[10:51] <willvdl> but doc.u.c is the trunk right?
[10:51] <nixternal> correct
[10:51] <willvdl> how often are updates packaged into ubuntu-doc
[10:52] <nixternal> well, they are only released into a stable release if there is a grave error, a mistake that would cost someone to damage their system
[10:52] <nixternal> normal string updates usually don't get in a stable release, but get incorporated into the development release
[10:53] <willvdl> aha. so string updates to the handbook for example would only live on h.u.c
[10:54] <nixternal> string updates will be on doc.ubuntu.com, help.ubuntu.com builds off of the stable release, so if string updates get into a package then they will get into h.u.c
[10:55] <willvdl> got it. so there is not much drive (or need) to further develop docs in the stable releases pending grave errors
[10:55] <nixternal> correct
[10:56] <nixternal> the focus now should be on the development release, fixing the bugs as we go along
[10:56] <nixternal> if somone posts a bug to a stable release, that bug, unless grave, gets fixed in the development release
[10:56] <willvdl> I'm just thinking of dapper docs (being LTS), should one feel it needs fleshing out...
[10:56] <nixternal> personally i do, but that isn't up to me
[10:57] <nixternal> with that in mind, it would be good to make 1 big fix to all documentation, as it has to get translation fixes as well
[10:57] <willvdl> ah. hadn't considered translations.... changes things a bit
[10:58] <Burgwork> the issue with updating docs in released version is of translations
[10:59] <willvdl> how is that managed? i.e. should a change be made to dapper docs, how is the need for localisation communicated?
[10:59] <willvdl> short of assigning the bug to the translation team
[11:00] <nixternal> that im not 100% sure on just yet, that would be a Burgwork or mdke_ question
[11:01] <willvdl> hmm, I suppose assigning the bug to the doc-team and the translation team could actually work...
[11:02] <nixternal> i know one of our tasks is to create the translation templates, which i believe mdke uploads for translation to begin
[11:03] <willvdl> doesn't leave much time for translations...
[11:04] <nixternal> no it doesn't
[11:06] <willvdl> similarly, should a loco team decide to do a translation "sprint" on a stable release, those efforts would need to get packaged and loaded to the archive
[11:06] <willvdl> as an update as such
[11:06] <nixternal> March 8th is the string freeze, which is the final doc turn in date, so translators have just over a month
[11:07] <dsas> translations are regularly-ish updated in langpacks are they not? I have no idea if that goes for ubuntu-docs though.
[11:07] <nixternal> thats what i thought, but im out of the translating look really
[11:07] <nixternal> s/look/loop
[11:08] <willvdl> I'm getting into it. am looking to try organise wordforge-style sprints for loco teams
[11:09] <nixternal> that would be cool
[11:10] <willvdl> urk, I've just realised the conversation we've just had on updates and releases is covered in a _very_ recent email thread
[11:12] <willvdl> is TopicBasedHelp definitely  going to be in Feisty?
[11:16] <nixternal> we are working on it
[11:17] <willvdl> yeah, I know :) it is a monster spec ...
[11:18] <willvdl> Is the idea to "carry on as before" and then (in parallel) try and extract topics into sections to fit the spec?
[11:36] <nixternal> willvdl: sorry, yes that is how we are going about it at the current time
[11:36] <nixternal> hiya jjesse
[11:36] <jjesse> hiya nixternal
[11:37] <nixternal> i have been playing around with other distros today..so far SuSE has the best KHelpCenter setup
[11:42] <jjesse> yeah?
[11:42] <jjesse> i haven't had time to do much
[11:43] <LaserJock> I installed Fedora Core 6 last night
[11:43] <nixternal> i just installed FC6, updating and then going to install KDE on it
[11:43] <LaserJock> I like the installer (anaconda always looked slick to me) but that was about it
[11:44] <nixternal> ya, anaconda is actually pretty nice nowadays
[11:44] <LaserJock> that and the bootsplash
[11:44] <nixternal> although, i liked yast2 in kde as well
[11:44] <nixternal> i like the OpenSUSE grub splash..it is a Christmas theme with penguins in santa hats ice skating
[11:44] <LaserJock> haha
[11:45] <nixternal> i did the same thing
[11:45] <LaserJock> I might try it this week
[11:45] <nixternal> i had to sit and watch it
[11:45] <jjesse> what do you think of kickoff?
[11:45] <jjesse> i'm thinking of downloading it just for that
[11:45] <nixternal> OpenSUSE + KDE is super fast, kickoff is nice just not practical
[11:45] <nixternal> i don't like submenus
[11:45] <nixternal> and there isn't katapult either
[11:45] <jjesse>  hmm i'l;l have to try it tomorrow
[11:45] <jjesse> time for dinner
[11:45] <jjesse> i love katapult
[11:45] <nixternal> mmm food
[11:45] <jjesse> its what i miss the most
[11:45] <nixternal> ya
[11:46] <nixternal> im an alt+space junky
[11:46] <nixternal> you hit alt+space in suse it brings up kerry beagle