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elkbuntuBurgundavia, do you want to try do those feisty changes i didnt do (for lack of finding changelogs)?02:03
Burgundaviayep, will do02:04
Burgundaviaeating dinner02:04
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Burgundaviahey somerville3204:53
Burgundaviaelkbuntu: you around to help spell check?04:54
somerville32Burgundavia, Hi :)04:54
elkbuntuBurgundavia, yep, soon04:54
Burgundaviaexcellent04:54
Burgundavialets get this beast out04:54
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somerville32My new best friend is /exec in xhcat <g>04:59
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elkbuntuBurgundavia, see gobby05:24
elkbuntumeh, you beat me to it05:24
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Burgundavialet talks about next weeks05:35
somerville32k05:35
Burgundaviaelkbuntu: ?05:35
tonyyarussos/let talks/let's talk/05:35
tonyyarussos/weeks/week's/05:36
Burgundaviaright05:36
Burgundaviawrong05:36
tonyyarussoMmm, maybe.  Pretty sure though.05:36
Burgundaviasome of this week was slowed down by some of my stuff05:36
Burgundaviawould it be worth editing the template to add notes on how to edit each section, so that people can just jump in?05:37
tonyyarussoI'd think so.05:37
tonyyarusso(I will likely continue to be useless for the next one, but can do the next two after that hopefully)05:37
BurgundaviaI probably should also dump the feisty changes stuff on the wiki each night or so05:37
tonyyarussoThe easier we make entry, the more peope we can pull in.05:38
Burgundavialeaving it in gobby: mistake or not?05:38
somerville32Burgundavia: The fridge has been pretty slow lately. We should pimp UWN there. <g>05:38
Burgundaviawe do05:38
BurgundaviaI will write something05:38
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somerville32I don't think UWN 23 got announced05:39
tonyyarussoFrankly, I like the idea of having the in-progress one in Gobby start-to-finish, but that's just me.05:39
Burgundaviahmm, it might not have05:39
Burgundaviaelkbuntu: ?05:39
elkbuntuBurgundavia, lemme read up05:39
somerville32The thing I like about having it in the wiki is that I can work on it anywhere there is a web connection05:39
Burgundaviayes, that is nice05:39
somerville32ie. no need to install gobby05:39
BurgundaviaI wish the wiki did collaborative editing05:40
elkbuntuum, yeah, wiki is nice, it's only the final sprint we need gobby for05:40
elkbuntutbh05:40
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tonyyarussoHaving it in Gobby would be my own little utopia, practically speaking, yeah, it makes more sense on the wiki.05:40
BurgundaviaSynchroEdit works for Firefox 1.0-2.0 (and other Mozilla-class browsers such as Camino and Flock). It supports rich-text documents. SynchroEdit relies on W3C DOM Event change extensions which IE and other browsers do not yet support. Open-source (MPL and GPL). Java server-side and JavaScript client. The protocol is open and documented in the SynchroEdit Development Wiki. A proof-of-concept version of SynchroEdit demonstra05:41
Burgundaviating integration with MediaWiki is available as patches, but is intended to eventually be a plugin or extension to MediaWiki proper.05:41
elkbuntuBurgundavia, it'd be nice for the SA Parliament thing to get a fridge showing, seperate from the UWN, if you could arrange that?05:41
tonyyarussoInteresting concept05:41
Burgundaviasure05:42
somerville32What about a new team of the week section?05:43
elkbuntusomerville32, there's an extent to how many sections we can pack in05:43
tonyyarussoThat could be cool, although I doubt we'll have on every time.05:43
Burgundavia ... of the week haven't work well, unless we get somebody to write it05:43
Burgundaviaif we move to "beats", that woudl work05:43
somerville32ie. We could promote teams like ubuntu-qa, ubuntu-bugs, ubuntu-dev, xubuntu-team, telepathy, etc. and get people educated about their purpose, how to get involved, etc.05:44
elkbuntuand i suspect, or i hope, that with the debaday thing being revived, we'll be able to source stuff from that05:44
tonyyarussoOn a different tack, rather than being a hilight of existing things, are new teams even announced anywhere right now?05:44
Burgundavianot really05:44
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somerville32I don't mind writing a team of the week thing05:45
tonyyarussoMaybe we could do that much, a once-a-month roundup of new ones that have started perhaps.05:45
elkbuntutonyyarusso, we've started with the LoCos, but there's no problem adding team announcements to the community news section05:45
tonyyarussoelkbuntu: Righto05:45
tonyyarussoWe'd probably get some hugs from jono too05:46
elkbuntuin fact, i personally encourage it05:46
elkbuntutonyyarusso, indeed05:46
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somerville32Hmmm05:46
elkbuntueep, i made my leg bleed and it wont stop... stupid ingrown hair05:46
Burgundaviaright now our challenge is scaling, not content05:46
elkbuntuBurgundavia, yeah05:47
tonyyarussoelkbuntu: ingrown...hair?05:47
Burgundaviawe need to figure out how to release on time each week05:47
tonyyarussoTrue.05:47
tonyyarussoMore people would help that, hence my support of "make this really easy" instructions in the template05:47
elkbuntuyep05:47
Burgundaviashould we also move to "beats"?05:47
tonyyarussoAlso, I get the feeling there are a lot of people that would be willing to help that just don't know we're here.05:48
tonyyarusso"beats"?05:48
elkbuntuBurgundavia, i think so05:48
elkbuntutonyyarusso, focus areas05:48
tonyyarussoelkbuntu: Ah, as in Burgundavia does Feisty changes, etc.05:48
tonyyarusso?05:48
somerville32UWN 24 was ready to be released EXCEPT for the stuff that currently requires Burgundavia 05:48
lotusleafBurgundavia: enforcable deadlines with each person having an understudy [fallback person, whatever]  notified ASAP if the person assigned to said task won't be able to finish it prior to deadline?05:48
elkbuntuie, me do locos, cody do community news, corey.. yeah05:48
tonyyarussoMakes sense.05:48
Burgundaviasomerville32: yep, stuff that required me this week fell down05:48
elkbuntusomerville32, because he tries to do too much. beats would sort of help stop him :05:49
Burgundaviabottlenecking on anybody is bad, except for the final sending05:49
tonyyarussoI'm good at spellchecking and finding press stuff usually (imo anyway)05:50
somerville32Maybe we should have a policy that articles get deferred automatically if they aren't ready on time?05:50
elkbuntui think this is a perfect excuse to discuss a meeting time05:50
Burgundaviasure, but we shoudl define "core" and "secondary" articles05:50
somerville32Good idea05:51
Burgundaviawhy don't we pull the template into gobby and work on it?05:51
tonyyarussoelkbuntu: true05:51
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somerville32As for a meeting, I think we're the only ones that regularly contribute so I guess this IS a meeting <g>05:52
elkbuntusomerville32, not a full one05:52
elkbuntuand there was no prior warning for peopel to work around05:52
tonyyarussoIf we have a meeting, it would be useful to have two parts: How to get involved; and the more in-depth.  Publicize as widely as possible, and get new folks to the first half, and if they want to jump in right away they can stick around for the second.05:52
Burgundaviathis is a brainstorm, not a meeting05:52
Burgundaviaok, template up05:53
tonyyarussoIt would be very very useful to have a meeting that intends to include more people than those who already do work.05:53
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tonyyarussoOh boo05:53
tonyyarussoNo server IP in the topic - always gotta grab it from the wiki.05:54
Burgundaviaabsolutely05:54
Burgundaviaelkbuntu: who controls the dns for devbuntu.org?05:54
elkbuntuBurgundavia, MitchM_05:54
Burgundaviawe should point gobby.devubuntu.org at something stable05:55
elkbuntuwe could ask him if he can set up a gobby on it05:55
Burgundaviathat woudl work05:56
Burgundaviaponingrus occasionally changes, his IP, rather05:56
elkbuntuyep05:57
Burgundaviaok, start volunteering for jobs05:59
tonyyarussoMeaning throw your name next to something that looks good for you?06:03
Burgundaviayep, choose what you want to do06:03
somerville32Gah06:05
somerville32I was busy working on adding comments and what not while you guys scooped up all the jobs :P06:06
Burgundaviaheh06:06
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Burgundaviasomerville32: don't just list the format as "see last UWN"06:14
Burgundavialist what it is06:14
tonyyarussoYeah, I was just going to go looking for some of those06:14
Burgundaviagood06:15
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Burgundaviaok, copying the beats section to the editing policies page06:19
Burgundaviasomerville32, elkbuntu: editing the template?06:22
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somerville32Heavily06:22
Burgundaviasomebody want to write up a short summary of this discussion and get it on the -marketing team?06:22
somerville32The ml?06:22
Burgundaviayes06:23
BurgundaviaI am going to release 2406:23
somerville32Sure.06:23
somerville32One sec06:23
somerville32I found something that needs fixing06:23
Burgundaviaok06:23
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poningruwtf06:24
poningrugrr06:24
poningrustupid xchat06:24
somerville32!wtf06:24
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about wtf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:24
somerville32:D06:25
poningrurofl06:26
poningrusomerville32: btw gl with membership on tuesday06:26
somerville32Thanks! :)06:26
somerville32Burgundavia, done06:26
Burgundaviacan you copy it back06:26
BurgundaviaI am trying to remember the bleedin -new moderator password06:27
somerville32I edited the wiki directly06:27
Burgundaviaah, ok06:28
Burgundaviaponingru: greetings06:28
Burgundaviacan you cleanup your server?06:28
Burgundaviaeverything but the template06:28
poningruyep06:28
Burgundaviaoh, waiting, leave the "lookingforwardatfeisty" doc as well06:28
poningruk06:28
poningruwait what about the fr stuff?06:28
poningruBurgundavia^^06:29
Burgundavialeave the non-english stuff06:30
rjianhello guys seems all ur busy.. :)06:32
somerville32Oh no!06:34
tonyyarussosomerville32: ?06:34
somerville32"Can not assign requested address"06:34
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somerville32and can't reconnect06:35
tonyyarussosomerville32: same here06:36
tonyyarussoponingru: ? ^^06:36
somerville32I hope the changes aren't lost06:36
poningruuh thats cause06:36
poningruwtf06:36
poningruyeah I am shutting stuff down06:36
poningru:(06:36
poningruhold on I can bring it back up06:36
poningrusorry06:36
somerville32I can host on an AMD dual core if need be, haha <g>06:36
poningrushould have warned you guys06:37
Burgundaviajust don't lose our stuff06:37
poningrusomerville32: it was from Burgundavia's request06:37
poningruhow about this I will bring stuff backup and then finish up what you guys were doing 06:37
somerville32I saved a copy locally06:37
poningruits backup 06:38
BurgundaviaI have an issue: I don't remember the -news moderation password and I don't have it written down...06:38
poningruBurgundavia: I am assuming jane would know06:38
tonyyarussoBurgundavia: Bad Corey.06:38
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poningrusomerville32: try connecting see if its backup06:38
somerville32Whats the passwd again? ufl@ftw ?06:39
poningruyes06:39
poningruwhich we will come jan 1206:39
poningruGO GATOR ;)06:39
Burgundaviasomerville32: template is an old copy06:39
Burgundaviaplease copy yours over it06:39
tonyyarussoponingru: Aaaah, now I understand the pw06:39
poningrutonyyarusso: :D06:39
poningrusomerville32, tonyyarusso: let me know when you guys are done06:40
Burgundaviasomerville32: can I leave you with the template and copying it back to the wiki?06:40
tonyyarussoponingru: I don't think I have anything left - was idling06:40
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Burgundaviacool06:41
somerville32I think we're pretty much done now anyhow06:41
poningruwhich docs did you make changes to?06:41
poningrusomerville32: 06:42
poningruwhich one should I save?06:42
somerville32Template06:43
poningruTemplate or Template (2)06:43
somerville32I copied and pasted Template (2) over Template06:43
poningruah ok cool06:43
poningruthanks06:43
poningrugaah someone is still editing :(06:43
tonyyarussowho?06:44
poningrusomerville3206:44
Burgundaviasomerville32: pull the template down and edit locally06:44
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somerville32ok ok06:44
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somerville32*ready06:44
poningruok stopping now06:44
somerville32Are we done editing the template in Gobby? Can I upload to wiki now?06:46
Burgundaviayep, at your discretion06:46
Burgundaviaping me when you are done06:47
Burgundaviaponingru: you nuked 25 yet? please don't06:48
poningruwell I havent nuked anything06:48
poningrujust moving the autosave file around06:48
poningrudo you want me to bring it back up with everything?06:48
poningruBurgundavia^^06:49
Burgundavianope, just 25, the feisty doc and those nonenglish ones06:52
Burgundaviasomerville32: you dropped the template yet?06:53
somerville32Still adding a few tweaks06:53
poningruok06:54
somerville32Ok, uploaded to wiki06:59
somerville32Burgundavia, Why is sneak peek and rss feeds under bug stats?07:00
Burgundaviashouldn't be07:00
Burgundaviais an error07:00
Burgundaviafixed07:01
Burgundaviado you want to startup 25 or shall i?07:02
somerville3225 is already started07:02
somerville32Do we want to delete and recreate with new template?07:02
Burgundaviaon the wiki?07:02
Burgundaviamunge it together07:03
somerville32Oh boy07:05
somerville32Nothing really _needs_ to be copied over07:05
somerville32The only main difference is the comments07:05
somerville32Do you still want me to merge the two?07:06
Burgundaviayep07:06
BurgundaviaI just send an email to the list to that effect07:06
somerville32Burgundavia, I thought you wanted me to e-mail the list with a recapp.07:10
BurgundaviaI already did :)07:11
Burgundaviahad to do some of the work07:11
Burgundaviaquestion: has the osaf produced anything useful?07:11
Burgundaviaosaf has 22 people working full time on what, exactly?07:11
Madpilotosaf?07:12
Burgundaviaoh, wait, wrong bloody chan07:12
Burgundaviahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Source_Applications_Foundation07:12
poningruhehe07:15
poningruBurgundavia: the primary osaf contribution is actually office space07:15
Burgundaviaheh07:15
poningruto Mitchell baker, CC, and a bunch of other people07:15
BurgundaviaI suppose that is good07:15
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Burgundaviastill, they could work directly on a DE07:16
Burgundaviaaccomplish more, get more code into people's hands fater07:16
Burgundaviafaster07:16
poningruoh yeah07:17
poningruthey wasted a lot of monies on that crappy calendar project07:17
poningruif they had just stuck the people on sunbird...07:17
poningrubut that was primarily nih problem07:17
poningruthey are an all mac shop07:17
poningruyeah go figure07:17
poningruand they needed a mac calendar07:17
Burgundaviathere stuff looks very OS Xy07:18
poningruyeah07:19
poningrusobby should be backup with everything07:20
poningruerr everything as in the stuff that was requested07:21
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somerville32Did you get the password?07:28
Burgundavianah, waiting on rt07:28
somerville32Who else has it?07:30
Burgundavianobody07:30
Burgundaviathe issue that I have every other password in my email07:30
somerville32hehe07:31
poningru...07:34
poningruBurgundavia: dude use the gnome password keyring07:34
Burgundavianot going to work07:34
Burgundaviathere is a nasty bug in mailman, that only allows it to save one password07:34
Burgundaviabecause for some reason firefox sees all the login screens for mailman as the same page07:34
poningruarr?07:35
poningruhmm07:35
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somerville32Burgundavia, I'm going to modify front page for UWN to point to UWN 24 and 4507:41
somerville32*2507:41
Burgundaviaok07:41
somerville32Are we going to spruce "https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Contacts" up a bit?07:46
Burgundaviahmm, need to merge that into a Beats page, I think07:46
somerville32It should be noted that UWN25 is suppose to be released tomorrow07:46
BurgundaviaI realize that07:47
tonyyarussoyikes07:47
tonyyarussoWell, at 22:00 UTC tomorrow onward I am very much free for some major hacking.07:47
tonyyarusso(That's when my exam ends, and the next one after that is Friday)07:48
somerville32:] 07:49
somerville32"[02:47]  <Burgundavia> I realize that"07:52
somerville32"[02:51]  * Burgundavia has quit (Remote closed the connection)"07:52
somerville32<g>07:52
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tonyyarussoBurgundavia: btw, your personal wiki page has a dead link (HotAirProducers)07:53
Burgundaviaok, keybinding ctrl-alt-home to open tomboy when it is right next to bksp is a bad idea07:53
somerville32<g>07:54
somerville32btw, I have edit lock on uwn 25 right now07:55
Burgundaviano worries07:56
somerville32Why don't we move to gobby now and get UWN 25 finished (for the most part) tonight?07:59
Burgundaviabecause I am about to head to bed08:00
Burgundavianeed to be at work moderately early tonight08:00
Burgundaviatomorrow, rather08:00
somerville32Alright. I'll finish everything except changes in feisty08:00
somerville32(and I'll also leave Mark's letter for tomorrow too)08:02
Burgundaviayep08:03
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Burgundaviahey Admiral_Chicago08:07
Admiral_ChicagoBurgundavia, be back in like 1008:07
Admiral_Chicagothanks for the help :)08:07
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somerville32Ok08:23
somerville32Finished community spotlight section08:23
Admiral_ChicagoBurgundavia, back08:25
BurgundaviaAdmiral_Chicago: for the marketing stuff08:28
Admiral_Chicagoyes08:28
Admiral_Chicagosome of that is off nixternal's page08:28
Admiral_Chicagoit's not really mine, i took his template so I have to fix it08:28
Burgundaviarighrt08:28
Burgundaviathe ubuntu magazine is dormant08:28
Burgundaviafor the bugs, list specific bug numberfs08:29
Admiral_Chicagoi just read that08:29
Burgundavialink to the work you have done with jjesse08:29
Burgundaviaand the first sentence of the marketing stuff, about redesigning08:29
Admiral_ChicagoBurgundavia, hold on a sec, none of that is mine08:29
Burgundaviaah, ok08:29
Admiral_Chicagolet me fix that08:30
somerville32WOOT!!08:31
somerville32http://www.osnews.com/story.php/16681/Ubuntu-King-of-Distros-for-2006/08:31
Admiral_Chicagosweet!08:32
poningruMINDSHARE!!!08:34
poningruObey UBUNTU08:34
Burgundaviahttp://distrowatch.com/index.php?dataspan=1 <-- I bring you back to earth with this08:36
tonyyarussoawww08:36
somerville32What the poo08:38
Burgundaviabeen a while coming08:39
Burgundavia10.1 matched us and they just released 10.208:39
somerville32Is OpenSuse 10.2 really good?08:40
Burgundaviaok08:41
Burgundaviasuse have a lot of their own crap08:41
Burgundaviamajor issues with packages and installing08:42
lotusleafI tried 10, haven't bothered with anything since08:42
lotusleafI used to use it for years, even prior to Novell08:42
Burgundaviaa crackish mix of GNOME and KDE stuff, due to the Ximian and SUSE legacies clashing08:42
Burgundaviasmall archives, nothing like what we and debian provide08:43
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somerville32Can someone who knows a bit more about the Kurdish stuff do an article in this weeks UWN?08:44
somerville32Here is an article I found: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/12/05/213424308:45
Burgundaviathat is already in 2408:46
somerville32We need a followup though08:48
Burgundaviayep08:48
somerville3224 didn't have much08:48
somerville32Ok, here is what is left for UWN 25:08:48
somerville32    *08:48
somerville32      Mark's open letter to OpenSUSE08:48
somerville32    *08:48
somerville32      Kurdish follow-up article08:48
somerville32    *08:48
somerville32      More press related articles08:48
somerville32    *08:48
somerville32      Feisty changes08:48
somerville32Then the pre-release stuff and we are done08:48
somerville32Yea! :] 08:48
tonyyarussoFor a moment there I thought I was looking at #ubuntu and was about to mutter something about pastebins.08:49
somerville32;] 08:49
Admiral_ChicagoBurgundavia, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreddyMartinez#preview08:55
Admiral_Chicagosome more edits, can you provide feedback08:55
Admiral_Chicagoactually the link is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreddyMartinez08:55
BurgundaviaAdmiral_Chicago: ok, good08:55
Burgundaviafor the chicago stuff, list concrete things have done08:56
Burgundaviasuch as "Attended X conference" or "Manned booth at X"08:56
tonyyarussoAdmiral_Chicago: On the PGP key, you can make the link text just be the Key ID.08:57
Admiral_Chicagohmm, that is a good idea, I can build more on that as we get going08:57
Admiral_Chicagoerr as I look back at the page08:57
Burgundaviahttp://www.metacafe.com/watch/334327/easy_linux_install_ubuntu_6_10/09:02
Admiral_ChicagoBurgundavia, last one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreddyMartinez09:07
Admiral_Chicagodoes that add more information?09:07
Burgundaviayep09:08
Admiral_Chicagoi wish i had some bugs I reportedh09:08
Admiral_Chicagowait i do have some...let me check my inbox09:08
somerville32What about my wiki page?09:09
somerville32Is mine good? :] 09:09
Admiral_Chicagosomerville32, link ?09:09
Admiral_Chicagowould this be a good one to add https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/konversation/+bug/7252209:09
somerville32http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CodySomerville09:09
Admiral_Chicagooh somerville32 i've seen it before, you talked to elkbuntu about it09:11
somerville32Cool :] 09:12
Admiral_Chicagosomerville32, i'd be more specific, especially some examples about what you've done09:12
Admiral_Chicagofor example, some bugs you triaged09:13
somerville32I have links09:14
somerville32:] 09:14
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Admiral_Chicagoah i didn't open them09:16
Admiral_Chicagookay i'm going to do homework09:16
Admiral_Chicagottul09:16
somerville32Bye09:16
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atoponcejenda: give up on dvorak?03:30
jendaatoponce: never, why?03:31
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=== atoponce just noticed that you're not in #dvorak. nudge nudge
jendamy bad, sorry :)03:33
jendamy client freaked out, yesterday :)03:33
jendaso I disconnected... I always lose valuable channels that way - thanks for finding it back for me :)03:33
atoponcehehe. i thought we lost a typist03:33
atoponcebtw- the posters rock. just got from my loco meet two days ago, and they are sweet03:35
atoponceputting it up in my cubicle at work03:35
atoponcei'll get my IT dept converted just fet03:36
atoponces/fet/yet/03:36
atoponcebrb03:36
MitchM_Someone pinged me whilst I was away.04:18
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danbuchWorkhallo beuno!04:36
beunohey there  ;D04:36
danbuchWorkokay, so Jenda brought me into the fold with DIY/SpreadUbuntu...04:37
danbuchWorkand if he's round, I'd love to have him pop in and correct me when needed04:37
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danbuchWorkso what we've been talking about is the struggle with whether or not DIY should have a full-blown CMS in the back04:38
beunoyeah, I agree that it should be:04:38
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beuno1) simple to add content04:38
jendahello :)04:38
beuno2) simple to maintain and modify04:38
danbuchWorkhallo Jenda!04:38
beunohellos04:38
danbuchWorkbeuno: agreed04:38
jendaatoponce: thanks, glad you like them :)04:39
atoponceyeah. they're cool04:39
danbuchWork...with the biggest concern (for me, at least) that it not get out of hand04:39
beunois there any examples of what content there would be on each section?04:39
danbuchWorkwith too many contributions / diluted marketing message, etc.04:39
danbuchWorkthere are plenty of wallpapers around :-P04:40
beunomaybe by taking a look at each I can start narrowing the options04:40
danbuchWorkI know that Jenda's been working on T-shirts, too04:40
danbuchWorkWe've got the Brochure, HanZo and MadPilot's posters04:40
danbuchWorkplenty of stickers...04:41
jendahehe04:41
beunook, I was aiming at "type" of content04:41
beunographics04:41
danbuchWorkas in: the site design?   /me a bit confused (sorry)04:41
beunowith some sort of preview + svg or ai or whatever04:41
jendabeuno: I'd aim for anything that can serve to spread ubuntu - both the official looking things and the not-so official.04:41
beunowhat I'm trying to visualize is how to present the content04:42
beunoand when I have that in my head04:42
jendaeg. pschulz01's brochure is the official type, one that Canonical made, and it fits the Ubuntu branding very well. The posters are made by a comix artist, and look more unofficial.04:42
beunoI'll start narrowing down the backend options to present the content needed04:42
jenda(although canonical approved them)04:42
jendaaha04:42
beunoI've read that they're would be walkthroughs04:45
jendayes, I'd like that to happen.04:45
danbuchWorkand the possibility for "suppliers" to advertise their wares04:45
jendaadvertise in the informative way, not in the spamming way :)04:46
beunoso up to know we have, different ways of showing "images" that will be for tshirts, poster, etc04:46
danbuchWorkjenda: right :-D04:46
beunofiles like PDF for brochures04:46
danbuchWork...and possible "order forms"04:46
beunoand walkthroughs in some sort of HTML04:46
danbuchWorkright04:46
beunoso, the images I can cook up something clean and simple in PHP04:47
beunolet some admin upload via a form or just drop it into a folder04:47
danbuchWorkbeuno: when you're talking about presentation, are you talking about altering the CSS layout, or how the content is delivered?04:47
beunothe walkthroughs actually pose the most problems04:48
beunohow the content is delivered, and what is (to me) more crucial, how it's stored04:48
danbuchWorkgotcha /me not confused anymore04:49
beuno(in the database, random html files, txt, wiki, etc)04:49
beuno;D04:49
danbuchWorkare you thinking that a CMS might be in order?04:49
beunowell, for the walkthroughs to be easy and user friendly at the same time I think we'll have to go with some sort of wiki or (this I like more), modified wordpres04:50
beunowordpress let's you play with HTML tags, which I like more then wiki tags04:50
danbuchWorkI'd be okay with that.  /me don't have any experience with wordpress, but I hear it's fun :-D04:50
beunoso basically anyone can send the walkthrough in any format04:50
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beunoand it would be some work on our part on adding it to wordpress (copy n paste most of the time)04:51
beunoataponce, I'm glad I'm not alone04:51
danbuchWorkThat'd be nice, yes...  non-standardized wiki markup makes jack a dull boy04:51
atoponcebeuno: i always have to keep a syntax of the current wiki system that i'm using nearby. too confusing between wikis i think04:52
danbuchWorkatopence: I second the motion04:52
atoponcedokuwiki, mediawiki, etc,... :)04:52
beunoyes, on the other hand, HTML I think is easier to deal with, and depending on the type of content, you wouldn't even have to leave the WYSIWYG04:52
danbuchWorkbeuno: were you thinking of using wordpress for only a portion of DIY, so that we can have tighter admin of the more "static" pages?04:53
beunoexactly04:53
danbuchWorkgute :-D04:53
danbuchWorkwell, then, I guess we've got a path to start down04:53
beunothe static pages can be *in* wordpress, or even completly out of it04:53
danbuchWorkare you willing to attack the "howto" section via wordpress, along with whatever else fits that mold?04:54
beunoas long as we keep the walkthroughs-type of content in it to make it managable04:54
danbuchWorkright04:54
beunoyeap, absolutly04:54
beunoseems like a good place to start04:54
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beunoI'm thinking something else for the images and stuff, something custom, but I'll take a look at wordpress plugins before I go down that road04:55
beunolol04:55
danbuchWorkbeuno: you'll be so kind as to bzr update/add/commit/push yes?04:55
beunoyeah, I've used CVS before, so I don't think bzr will pose any problems04:56
danbuchWorkthen you're way ahead of _me_ :-D04:56
beuno;D04:57
=== atoponce needs to learn bzr one of these days...
beunothe commits go straight to the diy.devubuntu.com website?04:58
danbuchWorkbeuno: what was the URL of your copy of DIY?04:58
danbuchWorkbeuno: no... sorry04:58
danbuchWorkdevubuntu.com requires ftp access04:58
beunohttp://uluga.com.ar/diy04:58
danbuchWorkbut I'll put it up there as soon as I bzr update04:58
beunook, well, then I'll test it on my server, and when it gets some shape, I'll commit it to bzr04:59
beunoand then it's your problem  ;D04:59
beunothe only thing we might need to workout is the MySQL db and all that04:59
beunobut again, I can use it on my server while we go back and forth05:00
danbuchWorkbeuno:  and you can always send over a .sql file so we can get in sync :-)05:05
beunodanbuckWork, maybe you can do the layout for "howto" section so I can integrate the PHP into it?05:06
danbuchWorkin HTML, you mean?05:06
beunoyeap05:06
beunoHTML05:06
danbuchWorkwill do05:06
beunoI'll get working on the backend05:06
danbuchWorkexshellent05:07
beunoand I'll try to *draw* what I see that section looking like, as far as what goes where05:07
beunofor example:  "latest additions", "10 must-see's", etc05:07
jenda<danbuchWork> That'd be nice, yes...  non-standardized wiki markup makes jack a dull boy05:11
jendalol :)05:11
jendaI'm catching up with the log.05:11
beunoI'm going out to lunch, I'll be back in a while05:13
jendalater05:13
beunoI'll leave this open so I can catch up05:13
beunoba byes05:13
jendaSounds great to me05:13
jendaI'm sorry I didn't participate more ;)05:14
jendawhoa05:15
jendasome wild design changes there :)05:16
danbuchWorkjenda: I hope that I responded correctly to feedback ;-)05:18
jendahehe05:18
jendaI'm still looking at it and thinking :)05:18
jendaIt's...05:19
danbuchWorkmy biggest concern this time 'round was making it SVGA-friendly.. 05:19
jendait's ber cool, for sure.05:19
jendaI'm just thinking if perhaps it shouldn't be just a tidbit more verbose.05:19
jendaCan we do tooltips?05:19
danbuchWorktis good to hear :-D  ... did you try already ;-)05:20
danbuchWork?05:20
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jendaargh :)05:23
jendadanbuchWork: great work.05:23
danbuchWorkis the verbage to your liking on the tooltips?05:23
jendadesign:05:23
jendawe don't offer them the option of designing.05:24
danbuchWorkhrm05:24
jendaIt should say: Submit your own designs05:24
jendamaybe05:24
jendano05:24
jenda:)05:24
danbuchWorkwe don't *want* to, or we don't *yet* offer it?05:24
jendacan't make up my mind :)05:24
danbuchWorkhehe05:24
jendawell, they design it themselves, what that button gives them is a place to give them to us...05:24
jendaor...05:25
jendawell, instructions to design...05:25
jendaso I guess it's oK the way it is :)05:25
danbuchWorkI thought that the "design" section was for style and submission guidelines and such05:25
danbuchWorkright05:25
jendayes, you're right05:25
jendadisregard me.05:25
jenda:)05:25
danbuchWorknever!05:26
jendawhat I really like is the four small ones at the top, and their shading on mouseover.05:27
danbuchWorkit's all CSS, too :-D    no JavaScript buttons!05:27
jendaBTW, you have Lasse in the Credits at the bottom, I think you should put: Site credits: Lasse Havelund, Daniel Holbach, Martin Albisetti05:28
jendaneat ;)05:28
jenda(and add anyone else who helps)05:28
danbuchWorkit's officially on my "to do" list05:29
jendahehe05:30
danbuchWorkalso, for the record:  the stroke thickness around "design" and the funny black gradient inside the "get" icon are also set to be addressed05:32
jendaok :)05:32
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Burgworkhttp://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=182&tag=nl.e53906:42
atoponceBurgwork: interesting article. i wonder why he hasn't made the connection that alpha releases are prone to crashing06:57
Burgworkno idea06:57
=== beuno is cooking up a draft for the "howtos" section to send to danbuchWork
=== danbuchWork is looking forward to it :-D
beunoit's not going to be pretty, that I can promise07:06
atoponceso is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/DIYWebsite/HOWTOs still the repository to put the howtos, or is it changing?07:06
beunoif I can do my job right, it's changing07:07
atoponcewhat'll be the url?07:08
beunoI'm not sure yet07:09
Burgworkat some point the marketing team needs to meet, and one of things up for discussion in the DIY site07:09
=== atoponce just remembered the discussion from a couple hours ago
Burgworkthere is a possibility we can get diy on a canonical server07:10
atoponcein the meantime, continue using the wiki?07:10
Burgworkfor diy stuff? yes?07:10
atoponceyeah07:11
beunodanbuchWork, I have this very sloppy DIA draft cooked up, how do you want me to send it?07:12
danbuchWorkjenda was saying we'd be at diy.ubuntu.com ... unless that was wishful thinking07:12
danbuchWorkbeuno - can you post a zip on a domain in your realm?07:13
jendaactually, they said that would be possible once it's done.07:13
beunoyeap07:13
jendaatoponce: the repo should stay.07:13
danbuchWorkjenda: I didn't think you'd joke about something like that :-D07:13
beunomaybe this is a good time to mention I have a couple of dedicated servers07:13
jendaBoth jono and jane approved of it.07:13
jendaand I'm sure matthewrevell would too :) 07:14
beunonothing fancy, but theyre on 10mbit on a good datacenter07:14
danbuchWorkbeuno: do any of them have python support with python-cheetah installed?07:14
beunodanbuchWork, I can install whatever I want on them  ;D07:14
danbuchWorkhehe....   /me rubs hands together....     excellent.....07:14
danbuchWorkperhaps you'd be able to have a separate skeletonz install up and running on one of your servers - for SpreadUbuntu, that is07:15
beunoyeap, I probably could07:15
danbuchWorkjenda: is this something we'd want to keep working on with Mitch at devubuntu?07:16
beunohttp://uluga.com.ar/diy/diy_howto.png07:16
beunoI don't know if that's what you where expecting, but that is what I wanted to point out  ;D07:16
jendadanbuchWork: most certainly07:16
danbuchWorkthat is: should we keep a "spread.devubuntu.com" site up, assuming Mitch can give us python and python-cheetah?07:16
atoponcebeuno: looks good. easy layout, i think07:16
MenZajenda: the printer's majorly fucked07:17
danbuchWorkbeuno: agreed - I like the idea of having a "how you can help out" link within each section07:17
MenZaWe're having some technicians look at it in the morning07:17
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jendaMenZa: language!07:17
jenda:)07:17
MenZaYeah I know :P07:17
MenZa!language > MenZa07:18
danbuchWorkMenZa: might I recommend "Fracked" ?07:18
jendaself-service07:18
danbuchWork :-D07:18
MenZa:D07:18
jendaI'm not a big fan of euphemised swearwords.07:18
Burgworkthe reason I say a canonical server is the "hit by a bus" factor07:18
jendabut _meh_ 07:18
Burgworkif it is on a Canonical server, if any of us get hit by buses, the project still goes one07:18
Burgworkon, rather07:19
danbuchWorkBurgwork: agreed07:19
jendahttp://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Nobody_cares07:19
beunowe can host it on one of my servers until Canonical con provide the setup07:19
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jendaomg... did I just say "/love"?07:20
beunoshouldn't be more then a DNS change  (it never is, but we all can dream)07:20
danbuchWorkhehe.....   07:20
danbuchWorkjenda, Burgwork: is there any reason why we shouldn't beuno host spreadubuntu until it goes live?07:21
tsmithewow idling is fun...07:21
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jendano, feel free.07:21
jendalater, tsmithe07:21
tsmithecy'all07:21
tsmithebet ya didn't even know i was here07:22
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jendadanbuchWork, no, there is no reason, that is :)07:22
jendatsmithe: you're always here ;)07:22
tsmithei am07:22
jendaand elsewhere, too.07:22
tsmitheand that07:22
danbuchWork...unless Mitch can get us server space with Python and Python-Cheetah :-) .... for the sake of consistency under devubuntu.com07:22
TheGodsi'm omnipresent07:22
tsmitheright07:22
tsmithei mean it this time07:22
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tsmithedamn07:22
tsmithei lied07:22
jenda#tapthru, #ubuntuforums, #ubuntu-offtopic are a few I noticed...07:23
TheGodswe're omnipresent07:23
tsmithei really mean it now :)07:23
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tsmithejenda you're right07:23
tsmithe:D07:23
beunowell, the offer is on the table, just thought it was a good moment to point out I have a couple of those laying aroung07:23
beunoaround07:24
danbuchWorkbeuno:  thanks for the offer, seriously! :-D07:24
danbuchWorkI'm just a nut about consistency .... but only when it makes sense :-P07:24
beuno;D  my pleasure07:24
beunoyes, me too. but on the other hand, I wouldn't want things stalled because of lack of resources07:25
danbuchWorkprecisely :-)07:25
danbuchWorkbeuno: if you can get us a skeletonz site to play in...   let's do it :-D07:26
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danbuchWorkAmir Salihefendic is the developer and he's all for the SpreadUbuntu project:  amix3k {at} gmail.com07:27
danbuchWorkhe also has a Google Group set up07:27
beunowell, thats always nice to know...07:27
danbuchWorkI like his style - he took a perfectly reasonable app stack and stripped out almost everything except for Cheetah :-D07:28
danbuchWork...he mentioned that he's working on deb'ing skeletonz so that we can all apt-get in the near future07:29
beunoit seems I already have everything needed installed...07:30
beunouploading...07:31
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beuno_:(08:12
beuno_so close...08:12
beuno_    raise Exception, 'Could not import DB connector! Please make sure you selected the right one in amidb.py!'08:12
beuno_danbuckWork, it seems I'm missing something on the server08:17
beuno_but I'm not sure what08:17
beuno_Python is on there, MySQLdb is on there...08:18
danbuchWorkbeuno: do you have the Python-mysql package?   (not sure of actual package name)...   I think I remember getting this exception08:18
beuno_yeap08:19
beuno_that's the one I have08:19
danbuchWorkif you look at the first few lines in amidb.py it should say what it's trying to import08:19
beuno_the db is created08:19
beuno_MySQL  :(08:19
beuno_        import MySQLdb as DBWrapper08:20
danbuchWorkI just pinged Amir... maybe he can help08:20
beuno_would be great08:20
beunodanbuchWork, I just forwarded you ftp/ssh access to the account08:24
beunothat might help debug  :D08:24
danbuchWorkbeuno: thanks :-)08:27
danbuchWorkAmir's on his way08:30
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beunoFYI, it's a RHEL08:30
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amixhi guys08:30
danbuchWorkbeuno: good to know :-D08:30
danbuchWorkamix: thanks for joining!08:31
beunohey amix08:31
amixno problems :)08:31
danbuchWorkbeuno is getting a skeletonz install up...08:31
amixi acutally join on this server for some python channels :)08:31
amixany troubles?08:32
danbuchWorkbeuno: can you give us details on the exception again?08:32
beunoyeap08:32
beuno(cursing pastebin)08:33
amixbeuno: try this -> http://paste.pocoo.org/08:34
beunohttp://paste.pocoo.org/show/352/08:34
beuno;D08:34
beunomuch faster08:34
amixbeuno: you don't have MySQLdb installed08:35
amixyou can get it from -> http://sourceforge.net/projects/mysql-python08:35
beunoI do have mysql-python installed according to cpanel...08:35
amixtry to launch python08:36
amixi.e. python08:36
amixand do import MySQLdb08:36
beunoImportError: No module named MySQLdb08:36
beuno:(08:36
danbuchWorkyeah... it says ImportError: No module named MySQLdb08:36
danbuchWorkargh08:36
beunoThe following packages you requested are already updated:08:36
beunoMySQL-python08:36
beunoInstall Complete08:36
amixmaybe it's from the wrong python version08:37
amixdo you have multiple python versions installed?08:37
amixpython2.4?08:37
beunospread@spreadubuntu.com [~/public_html/skeletonz_beta] # python08:38
beunoPython 2.4.3 (#1, Nov 27 2006, 11:13:11) 08:38
beuno[GCC 3.4.6 20060404 (Red Hat 3.4.6-3)]  on linux208:38
MenZaCAT08:38
amixbeuno: i think you have installed mysqldb for python2.3?08:39
amixtry to do python2.3 and import MySQLdb08:39
danbuchWorkyeah, that seems to be workin'08:39
beunoyou arte correct08:39
beunoare08:39
beunoI can see a headache coming my way...08:40
danbuchWorkthanks, amix!08:40
danbuchWork:-D08:40
amixnp :)08:40
beunoyeah, that was invaluable help, I would of gone around in circles for hours  ;D08:40
beunoI'm kinda a clumbsy around RH, damn apt made my life so easy...08:41
amixAPT rocks :)08:41
danbuchWorkbeuno: I only hope I never have to use RHEL... ubuntu is my first and I hope it's my last :-D08:41
somerville32Whats this for anyhow?08:42
danbuchWorkspreadubuntu.com08:42
beunoyeah, I administrate a few RH and a few Debian/Ubuntu08:42
beunoI get along with debian-based much better08:42
beunobut Cpanel rocks for shared hosting, so...08:42
beuno(not available for debian)08:42
danbuchWorksomerville32: worried we're off-topic?  :-D08:43
somerville32Let me get this straight08:43
somerville32You're using Red Hat to host spreadubuntu.com?08:43
danbuchWorkfor the time being, yes :-(08:43
somerville32There is just... something wrong with that :P08:44
beunowell, we can always host it on a windows box...08:44
amix:-D08:44
danbuchWorkHA!  :-D08:44
amixanyway, will be off, buy daniel can message me if you run into more problems08:44
beunonot that I have any available, but I guess we can get vmware up and running   ;D08:44
danbuchWorkthanks again, amix!08:45
beunothanks a bunch amir08:45
amixi will be here, but i won't read the chat08:45
amixno problems, and you just ask if you run into more problems08:45
danbuchWorkbeuno: I've gotta get back to work - too many breaks today :-( ... I'll get those templates/layouts to you tomorrow morning08:46
beunogreat08:46
beunoI'll keep trying to get this working08:46
beunoand then maybe get back to wordpress hacking08:46
danbuchWorkschweet B-)08:47
beunoehm08:51
beunohttp://rh2.pentacorp.net:14002/08:51
beuno;D08:52
beunoServer started on port 1400208:52
danbuchWorklet it be known the world over!  well.... as soon as my DNS gets updated :-P08:53
beunothe domain spreadubuntu.com isn't pointed yet thou08:54
beunoand I didn't get the config right08:54
beunobut it works   ;D08:54
danbuchWorkI know that spreadubuntu.com is current pointing to ubuntu.com ....    if that's any help at all :-P08:55
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beunooh, so what DNS do you need to get updated?08:56
beunohttp://rh2.pentacorp.net:14002/  should work/resolv08:56
danbuchWorkheck, I dunno... I'm at work behind half a dozen gateways :-D08:56
beunoaaah08:56
beunoheh08:56
beunook ok08:56
beunowell08:56
beunoit works08:56
beunoso now we know we can use the servers08:57
danbuchWorkyay!08:57
beunoI'll get the config right and point some domain at it08:57
beunobut now, wordpress is calling me (and maybe I should do some work too)08:57
danbuchWorkbeuno: thanks for jumping into the project like this!  I'll have some material for you tomorrow morning!08:58
beunonp, glad I can help08:58
beunocya around!08:58
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nixternalnice to see they caught the distro watch hack and put us back where we belong, up top ;)09:40
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somerville32nixternal: There was a watch hack for real?09:40
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tsmitheawh09:40
nixternalof course, there always is when we loose 1st place09:40
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BurgworkdanbuchWork: the hit by the bus thing. beuno is somebody I have never seen around and thus I am concerned if he vanishes09:56
danbuchWorkBurgwork: noted.  I'm still going to make sure all of the files are kept in the Bazaar branch - I'm just happy he's getting a Skeletonz install up and running so we can play with the UI.09:57
danbuchWorkbeuno is Martin Albisetti - jenda tells me he's not so new09:58
Burgworkah09:59
Burgworkthere is also the matter of access to it10:00
tsmitheyeahs10:00
jendajudging just by his participation recently in the mailing list.10:00
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tsmithealthough /me's yet to make a contribution :)10:00
danbuchWorkMitchM: you 'round?10:07
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danbuchWorkBurgwork:  I have similar concerns.  I'd like it if we could get a subdomain up on devubuntu.com - /me looks around for Mitch10:08
BurgworkdanbuchWork: is there a difference between diy and spread they?10:09
MitchMdanbuchWork, yessir -- how can I help you?10:09
danbuchWorkthere will be insomuch that we're aiming at slightly different audiences... and spreadubuntu will be taking on much of what we do in diy10:10
MitchMdanbuchWork, What do you want your subdomain to be?10:10
danbuchWorkMitchM:  we haven't formally met :-D  I'd love it if we could have spread.devubuntu.com10:10
BurgworkdanbuchWork: sorry, I am little confused10:10
Burgworkwhat is the purpose of spread then?10:10
MitchMA desired username?10:11
danbuchWorkdiy marketing is squarely for current Ubuntu users, whereas we're hoping to make spreadubuntu a bit more accessible to noobs10:11
Burgworkno, no, that is not what I meant10:11
danbuchWorkMitchM: meatballhat , if you please10:11
danbuchWorkBurgwork: sorry :-)10:11
Burgworkyou mean to have spread as a portal for people to learn about Ubuntu?10:11
danbuchWorkmore like: diy is all about materials - spread will be bigger, more participatory, more informatiive (?) ...10:12
danbuchWorkwe really just broke it up a bit so as to make diy less daunting10:12
Burgworkright, I just don't see the difference10:12
Burgworklets talk use cases10:12
Burgworkdiy has a clear one: I need some or want to create some marketing material10:12
danbuchWorkthere aren't many, you're right :-D10:12
danbuchWorkright10:12
danbuchWorkjenda saw this as the most pressing need10:13
Burgworkspread is a rathole, imho, that leads to massive duplication of existing resources, for little need10:13
Burgworkor benefit10:13
Burgworkthe primary place to "spread" ubuntu, is ubuntu.com10:13
danbuchWorkduplication is absolutely not what we want 10:13
Burgworkabsolutely10:13
danbuchWorkand I agree with what you're saying about ubuntu.com10:14
Burgworkhowever, I fear that is exactly the path you are leading down with a "spread" page10:14
MitchMdanbuchWork, Username meatballhat10:14
danbuchWorkhrm......   10:14
danbuchWorkMitchM: thanks!10:14
MitchMaye -- cheers.10:14
MitchMshould have ssh/ftp setup10:14
MitchMcheck permissions to see if you can upload10:14
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danbuchWorkBurwork:  I guess it seems that diy has gotten bigger than we first saw...10:14
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Burgworknot really10:14
Burgworkcreate and diseminate information10:15
danbuchWork..but without turning it into an upload-crazy abyss10:15
Burgworkwhen people ask "how", we point them at a resource like the wiki10:15
Burgworkabsolutely, we need to talk about some sort of content "pipeline", where only approved stuff is promoted, etc.10:15
Burgworkbasically, we need a meeting about this10:16
danbuchWorkBurgwork: you are preachin' my sermon10:16
Burgworkbecause it is very opaque10:16
danbuchWorkyes10:16
Burgworkelkbuntu: ping10:16
Burgworkelkbuntu and I are going to arrange one10:16
danbuchWorkexcellent :-D10:16
somerville32Moo10:16
Burgworkhey somerville3210:17
somerville32Hi :] 10:17
BurgworkdanbuchWork: also, the hit by the bus thing again. The more of us doing something on a single project, the more likely it is going to continue10:17
BurgworkI absolutely love diy, and that is why it needs to be somewhere official10:17
MitchMpoor little devubuntu -- not official you say?10:18
Burgworka single place to upload and download marketing material has been something that I have been thinking about for a long time and why I was so glad jenda picked it up10:18
MitchM*shakes head in shame*10:18
BurgworkMitchM: I mean on a canonical server, mostly10:18
MitchMI was kidding ;)10:18
Burgworkheh10:18
Burgworkthere is a cautionary tale with the locoteam servers10:18
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danbuchWorkBurgwork: I'm glad to hear the diy is on your mind :-D10:18
danbuchWork*that10:19
BurgworkMitchM: I never lighten up ;)10:19
MitchMYou're*10:19
MitchMhar har 10:19
MitchMwell -- neither do I sitting in front of this computer all day :-)10:19
MitchM(bad punn)10:19
MitchMdanbuchWork, Give that user a quick test would ya?10:20
danbuchWorkMitchM: I'm connected - passwd? :-D10:20
danbuchWorkhehe10:20
MitchMi msg'ed it to ya10:20
danbuchWorkthx10:20
MitchMrgr10:20
jendaBurgwork, MitchM - didn't yet read the whole convo, but the plan is that as soon as DIY is ready, it will attempt to go official.10:24
jendaBoth Jono and Jane S. have expressed support.10:25
MitchMjenda, I just host the site :) ... Keep me out of the politics =)10:25
Burgworkjenda: yes, and elkbuntu and I are trying to arrange a good meeting time, but that is hard, given the nature of our timezones10:25
jendahehe10:25
jendaDon't you dare leave Europe out :)10:25
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jendaI'm flexible, however.10:26
somerville32Me too10:26
Burgworkwell, we want Christina to come as well10:26
jendathat would be great :)10:26
Burgworkwhich means we have, utc+2 , 0, -4, -8 and +1010:26
Burgworkpretty much means there isn't a good time of day, unless somebody sacrafices sleep10:26
jendahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings10:27
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jendaPLEASE keep it up to date :)10:27
Burgworkheh10:27
jendaI'm willing to sacrifice sleep. I do it all the time.10:27
jendaNot sure how many other europoids there are.10:27
somerville32Jenda: What TZ are you in?10:28
jenda+2 is it?10:28
jendathat means, if it's 3 AM my time, it'll be 22 yours10:29
jendagood for americans...10:29
jendaand early-ish morning for them aussies.10:29
tsmithewhat did i miss? seems busier in here than usual10:36
jendanothing...10:36
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tsmithedo you want me to read my logs?10:37
tsmitheok10:37
tsmithenot much happened10:37
tsmitheremember, keep times utc!10:37
jendahehe10:39
tsmithemakes life the extra bit easier for me :P10:41
jendatsmithe, please don't.11:10
tsmitheoh yeah11:11
tsmithei'm proving the unbelievers in #politics wrong11:11
tsmithei forgot about quiet channels11:11
tsmithe:)11:11
jendaNick changes aren't popular, you know taht.11:11
tsmithenor is #politics but that doesn't stop them being popular11:12
tsmithe:)11:12
tsmithebye jenda11:14
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