[02:03] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, do you want to try do those feisty changes i didnt do (for lack of finding changelogs)?
[02:04] <Burgundavia> yep, will do
[02:04] <Burgundavia> eating dinner
[04:53] <Burgundavia> hey somerville32
[04:54] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: you around to help spell check?
[04:54] <somerville32> Burgundavia, Hi :)
[04:54] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, yep, soon
[04:54] <Burgundavia> excellent
[04:54] <Burgundavia> lets get this beast out
[04:59] <somerville32> My new best friend is /exec in xhcat <g>
[05:24] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, see gobby
[05:24] <elkbuntu> meh, you beat me to it
[05:35] <Burgundavia> let talks about next weeks
[05:35] <somerville32> k
[05:35] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: ?
[05:35] <tonyyarusso> s/let talks/let's talk/
[05:36] <tonyyarusso> s/weeks/week's/
[05:36] <Burgundavia> right
[05:36] <Burgundavia> wrong
[05:36] <tonyyarusso> Mmm, maybe.  Pretty sure though.
[05:36] <Burgundavia> some of this week was slowed down by some of my stuff
[05:37] <Burgundavia> would it be worth editing the template to add notes on how to edit each section, so that people can just jump in?
[05:37] <tonyyarusso> I'd think so.
[05:37] <tonyyarusso> (I will likely continue to be useless for the next one, but can do the next two after that hopefully)
[05:37] <Burgundavia> I probably should also dump the feisty changes stuff on the wiki each night or so
[05:38] <tonyyarusso> The easier we make entry, the more peope we can pull in.
[05:38] <Burgundavia> leaving it in gobby: mistake or not?
[05:38] <somerville32> Burgundavia: The fridge has been pretty slow lately. We should pimp UWN there. <g>
[05:38] <Burgundavia> we do
[05:38] <Burgundavia> I will write something
[05:39] <somerville32> I don't think UWN 23 got announced
[05:39] <tonyyarusso> Frankly, I like the idea of having the in-progress one in Gobby start-to-finish, but that's just me.
[05:39] <Burgundavia> hmm, it might not have
[05:39] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: ?
[05:39] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, lemme read up
[05:39] <somerville32> The thing I like about having it in the wiki is that I can work on it anywhere there is a web connection
[05:39] <Burgundavia> yes, that is nice
[05:39] <somerville32> ie. no need to install gobby
[05:40] <Burgundavia> I wish the wiki did collaborative editing
[05:40] <elkbuntu> um, yeah, wiki is nice, it's only the final sprint we need gobby for
[05:40] <elkbuntu> tbh
[05:40] <tonyyarusso> Having it in Gobby would be my own little utopia, practically speaking, yeah, it makes more sense on the wiki.
[05:41] <Burgundavia> SynchroEdit works for Firefox 1.0-2.0 (and other Mozilla-class browsers such as Camino and Flock). It supports rich-text documents. SynchroEdit relies on W3C DOM Event change extensions which IE and other browsers do not yet support. Open-source (MPL and GPL). Java server-side and JavaScript client. The protocol is open and documented in the SynchroEdit Development Wiki. A proof-of-concept version of SynchroEdit demonstra
[05:41] <Burgundavia> ting integration with MediaWiki is available as patches, but is intended to eventually be a plugin or extension to MediaWiki proper.
[05:41] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, it'd be nice for the SA Parliament thing to get a fridge showing, seperate from the UWN, if you could arrange that?
[05:41] <tonyyarusso> Interesting concept
[05:42] <Burgundavia> sure
[05:43] <somerville32> What about a new team of the week section?
[05:43] <elkbuntu> somerville32, there's an extent to how many sections we can pack in
[05:43] <tonyyarusso> That could be cool, although I doubt we'll have on every time.
[05:43] <Burgundavia>  ... of the week haven't work well, unless we get somebody to write it
[05:43] <Burgundavia> if we move to "beats", that woudl work
[05:44] <somerville32> ie. We could promote teams like ubuntu-qa, ubuntu-bugs, ubuntu-dev, xubuntu-team, telepathy, etc. and get people educated about their purpose, how to get involved, etc.
[05:44] <elkbuntu> and i suspect, or i hope, that with the debaday thing being revived, we'll be able to source stuff from that
[05:44] <tonyyarusso> On a different tack, rather than being a hilight of existing things, are new teams even announced anywhere right now?
[05:44] <Burgundavia> not really
[05:45] <somerville32> I don't mind writing a team of the week thing
[05:45] <tonyyarusso> Maybe we could do that much, a once-a-month roundup of new ones that have started perhaps.
[05:45] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, we've started with the LoCos, but there's no problem adding team announcements to the community news section
[05:45] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: Righto
[05:46] <tonyyarusso> We'd probably get some hugs from jono too
[05:46] <elkbuntu> in fact, i personally encourage it
[05:46] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, indeed
[05:46] <somerville32> Hmmm
[05:46] <elkbuntu> eep, i made my leg bleed and it wont stop... stupid ingrown hair
[05:46] <Burgundavia> right now our challenge is scaling, not content
[05:47] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, yeah
[05:47] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: ingrown...hair?
[05:47] <Burgundavia> we need to figure out how to release on time each week
[05:47] <tonyyarusso> True.
[05:47] <tonyyarusso> More people would help that, hence my support of "make this really easy" instructions in the template
[05:47] <elkbuntu> yep
[05:47] <Burgundavia> should we also move to "beats"?
[05:48] <tonyyarusso> Also, I get the feeling there are a lot of people that would be willing to help that just don't know we're here.
[05:48] <tonyyarusso> "beats"?
[05:48] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, i think so
[05:48] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, focus areas
[05:48] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: Ah, as in Burgundavia does Feisty changes, etc.
[05:48] <tonyyarusso> ?
[05:48] <somerville32> UWN 24 was ready to be released EXCEPT for the stuff that currently requires Burgundavia 
[05:48] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: enforcable deadlines with each person having an understudy [fallback person, whatever]  notified ASAP if the person assigned to said task won't be able to finish it prior to deadline?
[05:48] <elkbuntu> ie, me do locos, cody do community news, corey.. yeah
[05:48] <tonyyarusso> Makes sense.
[05:48] <Burgundavia> somerville32: yep, stuff that required me this week fell down
[05:49] <elkbuntu> somerville32, because he tries to do too much. beats would sort of help stop him :
[05:49] <Burgundavia> bottlenecking on anybody is bad, except for the final sending
[05:50] <tonyyarusso> I'm good at spellchecking and finding press stuff usually (imo anyway)
[05:50] <somerville32> Maybe we should have a policy that articles get deferred automatically if they aren't ready on time?
[05:50] <elkbuntu> i think this is a perfect excuse to discuss a meeting time
[05:50] <Burgundavia> sure, but we shoudl define "core" and "secondary" articles
[05:51] <somerville32> Good idea
[05:51] <Burgundavia> why don't we pull the template into gobby and work on it?
[05:51] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: true
[05:52] <somerville32> As for a meeting, I think we're the only ones that regularly contribute so I guess this IS a meeting <g>
[05:52] <elkbuntu> somerville32, not a full one
[05:52] <elkbuntu> and there was no prior warning for peopel to work around
[05:52] <tonyyarusso> If we have a meeting, it would be useful to have two parts: How to get involved; and the more in-depth.  Publicize as widely as possible, and get new folks to the first half, and if they want to jump in right away they can stick around for the second.
[05:52] <Burgundavia> this is a brainstorm, not a meeting
[05:53] <Burgundavia> ok, template up
[05:53] <tonyyarusso> It would be very very useful to have a meeting that intends to include more people than those who already do work.
[05:53] <tonyyarusso> Oh boo
[05:54] <tonyyarusso> No server IP in the topic - always gotta grab it from the wiki.
[05:54] <Burgundavia> absolutely
[05:54] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: who controls the dns for devbuntu.org?
[05:54] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, MitchM_
[05:55] <Burgundavia> we should point gobby.devubuntu.org at something stable
[05:55] <elkbuntu> we could ask him if he can set up a gobby on it
[05:56] <Burgundavia> that woudl work
[05:56] <Burgundavia> poningrus occasionally changes, his IP, rather
[05:57] <elkbuntu> yep
[05:59] <Burgundavia> ok, start volunteering for jobs
[06:03] <tonyyarusso> Meaning throw your name next to something that looks good for you?
[06:03] <Burgundavia> yep, choose what you want to do
[06:05] <somerville32> Gah
[06:06] <somerville32> I was busy working on adding comments and what not while you guys scooped up all the jobs :P
[06:06] <Burgundavia> heh
[06:14] <Burgundavia> somerville32: don't just list the format as "see last UWN"
[06:14] <Burgundavia> list what it is
[06:14] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, I was just going to go looking for some of those
[06:15] <Burgundavia> good
[06:19] <Burgundavia> ok, copying the beats section to the editing policies page
[06:22] <Burgundavia> somerville32, elkbuntu: editing the template?
[06:22] <somerville32> Heavily
[06:22] <Burgundavia> somebody want to write up a short summary of this discussion and get it on the -marketing team?
[06:22] <somerville32> The ml?
[06:23] <Burgundavia> yes
[06:23] <Burgundavia> I am going to release 24
[06:23] <somerville32> Sure.
[06:23] <somerville32> One sec
[06:23] <somerville32> I found something that needs fixing
[06:23] <Burgundavia> ok
[06:24] <poningru> wtf
[06:24] <poningru> grr
[06:24] <poningru> stupid xchat
[06:24] <somerville32> !wtf
[06:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wtf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:25] <somerville32> :D
[06:26] <poningru> rofl
[06:26] <poningru> somerville32: btw gl with membership on tuesday
[06:26] <somerville32> Thanks! :)
[06:26] <somerville32> Burgundavia, done
[06:26] <Burgundavia> can you copy it back
[06:27] <Burgundavia> I am trying to remember the bleedin -new moderator password
[06:27] <somerville32> I edited the wiki directly
[06:28] <Burgundavia> ah, ok
[06:28] <Burgundavia> poningru: greetings
[06:28] <Burgundavia> can you cleanup your server?
[06:28] <Burgundavia> everything but the template
[06:28] <poningru> yep
[06:28] <Burgundavia> oh, waiting, leave the "lookingforwardatfeisty" doc as well
[06:28] <poningru> k
[06:28] <poningru> wait what about the fr stuff?
[06:29] <poningru> Burgundavia^^
[06:30] <Burgundavia> leave the non-english stuff
[06:32] <rjian> hello guys seems all ur busy.. :)
[06:34] <somerville32> Oh no!
[06:34] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: ?
[06:34] <somerville32> "Can not assign requested address"
[06:35] <somerville32> and can't reconnect
[06:36] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: same here
[06:36] <tonyyarusso> poningru: ? ^^
[06:36] <somerville32> I hope the changes aren't lost
[06:36] <poningru> uh thats cause
[06:36] <poningru> wtf
[06:36] <poningru> yeah I am shutting stuff down
[06:36] <poningru> :(
[06:36] <poningru> hold on I can bring it back up
[06:36] <poningru> sorry
[06:36] <somerville32> I can host on an AMD dual core if need be, haha <g>
[06:37] <poningru> should have warned you guys
[06:37] <Burgundavia> just don't lose our stuff
[06:37] <poningru> somerville32: it was from Burgundavia's request
[06:37] <poningru> how about this I will bring stuff backup and then finish up what you guys were doing 
[06:37] <somerville32> I saved a copy locally
[06:38] <poningru> its backup 
[06:38] <Burgundavia> I have an issue: I don't remember the -news moderation password and I don't have it written down...
[06:38] <poningru> Burgundavia: I am assuming jane would know
[06:38] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: Bad Corey.
[06:38] <poningru> somerville32: try connecting see if its backup
[06:39] <somerville32> Whats the passwd again? ufl@ftw ?
[06:39] <poningru> yes
[06:39] <poningru> which we will come jan 12
[06:39] <poningru> GO GATOR ;)
[06:39] <Burgundavia> somerville32: template is an old copy
[06:39] <Burgundavia> please copy yours over it
[06:39] <tonyyarusso> poningru: Aaaah, now I understand the pw
[06:39] <poningru> tonyyarusso: :D
[06:40] <poningru> somerville32, tonyyarusso: let me know when you guys are done
[06:40] <Burgundavia> somerville32: can I leave you with the template and copying it back to the wiki?
[06:40] <tonyyarusso> poningru: I don't think I have anything left - was idling
[06:41] <Burgundavia> cool
[06:41] <somerville32> I think we're pretty much done now anyhow
[06:41] <poningru> which docs did you make changes to?
[06:42] <poningru> somerville32: 
[06:42] <poningru> which one should I save?
[06:43] <somerville32> Template
[06:43] <poningru> Template or Template (2)
[06:43] <somerville32> I copied and pasted Template (2) over Template
[06:43] <poningru> ah ok cool
[06:43] <poningru> thanks
[06:43] <poningru> gaah someone is still editing :(
[06:44] <tonyyarusso> who?
[06:44] <poningru> somerville32
[06:44] <Burgundavia> somerville32: pull the template down and edit locally
[06:44] <somerville32> ok ok
[06:44] <somerville32> *ready
[06:44] <poningru> ok stopping now
[06:46] <somerville32> Are we done editing the template in Gobby? Can I upload to wiki now?
[06:46] <Burgundavia> yep, at your discretion
[06:47] <Burgundavia> ping me when you are done
[06:48] <Burgundavia> poningru: you nuked 25 yet? please don't
[06:48] <poningru> well I havent nuked anything
[06:48] <poningru> just moving the autosave file around
[06:48] <poningru> do you want me to bring it back up with everything?
[06:49] <poningru> Burgundavia^^
[06:52] <Burgundavia> nope, just 25, the feisty doc and those nonenglish ones
[06:53] <Burgundavia> somerville32: you dropped the template yet?
[06:53] <somerville32> Still adding a few tweaks
[06:54] <poningru> ok
[06:59] <somerville32> Ok, uploaded to wiki
[07:00] <somerville32> Burgundavia, Why is sneak peek and rss feeds under bug stats?
[07:00] <Burgundavia> shouldn't be
[07:00] <Burgundavia> is an error
[07:01] <Burgundavia> fixed
[07:02] <Burgundavia> do you want to startup 25 or shall i?
[07:02] <somerville32> 25 is already started
[07:02] <somerville32> Do we want to delete and recreate with new template?
[07:02] <Burgundavia> on the wiki?
[07:03] <Burgundavia> munge it together
[07:05] <somerville32> Oh boy
[07:05] <somerville32> Nothing really _needs_ to be copied over
[07:05] <somerville32> The only main difference is the comments
[07:06] <somerville32> Do you still want me to merge the two?
[07:06] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:06] <Burgundavia> I just send an email to the list to that effect
[07:10] <somerville32> Burgundavia, I thought you wanted me to e-mail the list with a recapp.
[07:11] <Burgundavia> I already did :)
[07:11] <Burgundavia> had to do some of the work
[07:11] <Burgundavia> question: has the osaf produced anything useful?
[07:11] <Burgundavia> osaf has 22 people working full time on what, exactly?
[07:12] <Madpilot> osaf?
[07:12] <Burgundavia> oh, wait, wrong bloody chan
[07:12] <Burgundavia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Source_Applications_Foundation
[07:15] <poningru> hehe
[07:15] <poningru> Burgundavia: the primary osaf contribution is actually office space
[07:15] <Burgundavia> heh
[07:15] <poningru> to Mitchell baker, CC, and a bunch of other people
[07:15] <Burgundavia> I suppose that is good
[07:16] <Burgundavia> still, they could work directly on a DE
[07:16] <Burgundavia> accomplish more, get more code into people's hands fater
[07:16] <Burgundavia> faster
[07:17] <poningru> oh yeah
[07:17] <poningru> they wasted a lot of monies on that crappy calendar project
[07:17] <poningru> if they had just stuck the people on sunbird...
[07:17] <poningru> but that was primarily nih problem
[07:17] <poningru> they are an all mac shop
[07:17] <poningru> yeah go figure
[07:17] <poningru> and they needed a mac calendar
[07:18] <Burgundavia> there stuff looks very OS Xy
[07:19] <poningru> yeah
[07:20] <poningru> sobby should be backup with everything
[07:21] <poningru> err everything as in the stuff that was requested
[07:28] <somerville32> Did you get the password?
[07:28] <Burgundavia> nah, waiting on rt
[07:30] <somerville32> Who else has it?
[07:30] <Burgundavia> nobody
[07:30] <Burgundavia> the issue that I have every other password in my email
[07:31] <somerville32> hehe
[07:34] <poningru> ...
[07:34] <poningru> Burgundavia: dude use the gnome password keyring
[07:34] <Burgundavia> not going to work
[07:34] <Burgundavia> there is a nasty bug in mailman, that only allows it to save one password
[07:34] <Burgundavia> because for some reason firefox sees all the login screens for mailman as the same page
[07:35] <poningru> arr?
[07:35] <poningru> hmm
[07:41] <somerville32> Burgundavia, I'm going to modify front page for UWN to point to UWN 24 and 45
[07:41] <somerville32> *25
[07:41] <Burgundavia> ok
[07:46] <somerville32> Are we going to spruce "https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Contacts" up a bit?
[07:46] <Burgundavia> hmm, need to merge that into a Beats page, I think
[07:46] <somerville32> It should be noted that UWN25 is suppose to be released tomorrow
[07:47] <Burgundavia> I realize that
[07:47] <tonyyarusso> yikes
[07:47] <tonyyarusso> Well, at 22:00 UTC tomorrow onward I am very much free for some major hacking.
[07:48] <tonyyarusso> (That's when my exam ends, and the next one after that is Friday)
[07:49] <somerville32> :] 
[07:52] <somerville32> "[02:47]  <Burgundavia> I realize that"
[07:52] <somerville32> "[02:51]  * Burgundavia has quit (Remote closed the connection)"
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[07:53] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: btw, your personal wiki page has a dead link (HotAirProducers)
[07:53] <Burgundavia> ok, keybinding ctrl-alt-home to open tomboy when it is right next to bksp is a bad idea
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[07:55] <somerville32> btw, I have edit lock on uwn 25 right now
[07:56] <Burgundavia> no worries
[07:59] <somerville32> Why don't we move to gobby now and get UWN 25 finished (for the most part) tonight?
[08:00] <Burgundavia> because I am about to head to bed
[08:00] <Burgundavia> need to be at work moderately early tonight
[08:00] <Burgundavia> tomorrow, rather
[08:00] <somerville32> Alright. I'll finish everything except changes in feisty
[08:02] <somerville32> (and I'll also leave Mark's letter for tomorrow too)
[08:03] <Burgundavia> yep
[08:07] <Burgundavia> hey Admiral_Chicago
[08:07] <Admiral_Chicago> Burgundavia, be back in like 10
[08:07] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks for the help :)
[08:23] <somerville32> Ok
[08:23] <somerville32> Finished community spotlight section
[08:25] <Admiral_Chicago> Burgundavia, back
[08:28] <Burgundavia> Admiral_Chicago: for the marketing stuff
[08:28] <Admiral_Chicago> yes
[08:28] <Admiral_Chicago> some of that is off nixternal's page
[08:28] <Admiral_Chicago> it's not really mine, i took his template so I have to fix it
[08:28] <Burgundavia> righrt
[08:28] <Burgundavia> the ubuntu magazine is dormant
[08:29] <Burgundavia> for the bugs, list specific bug numberfs
[08:29] <Admiral_Chicago> i just read that
[08:29] <Burgundavia> link to the work you have done with jjesse
[08:29] <Burgundavia> and the first sentence of the marketing stuff, about redesigning
[08:29] <Admiral_Chicago> Burgundavia, hold on a sec, none of that is mine
[08:29] <Burgundavia> ah, ok
[08:30] <Admiral_Chicago> let me fix that
[08:31] <somerville32> WOOT!!
[08:31] <somerville32> http://www.osnews.com/story.php/16681/Ubuntu-King-of-Distros-for-2006/
[08:32] <Admiral_Chicago> sweet!
[08:34] <poningru> MINDSHARE!!!
[08:34] <poningru> Obey UBUNTU
[08:36] <Burgundavia> http://distrowatch.com/index.php?dataspan=1 <-- I bring you back to earth with this
[08:36] <tonyyarusso> awww
[08:38] <somerville32> What the poo
[08:39] <Burgundavia> been a while coming
[08:39] <Burgundavia> 10.1 matched us and they just released 10.2
[08:40] <somerville32> Is OpenSuse 10.2 really good?
[08:41] <Burgundavia> ok
[08:41] <Burgundavia> suse have a lot of their own crap
[08:42] <Burgundavia> major issues with packages and installing
[08:42] <lotusleaf> I tried 10, haven't bothered with anything since
[08:42] <lotusleaf> I used to use it for years, even prior to Novell
[08:42] <Burgundavia> a crackish mix of GNOME and KDE stuff, due to the Ximian and SUSE legacies clashing
[08:43] <Burgundavia> small archives, nothing like what we and debian provide
[08:44] <somerville32> Can someone who knows a bit more about the Kurdish stuff do an article in this weeks UWN?
[08:45] <somerville32> Here is an article I found: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/12/05/2134243
[08:46] <Burgundavia> that is already in 24
[08:48] <somerville32> We need a followup though
[08:48] <Burgundavia> yep
[08:48] <somerville32> 24 didn't have much
[08:48] <somerville32> Ok, here is what is left for UWN 25:
[08:48] <somerville32>     *
[08:48] <somerville32>       Mark's open letter to OpenSUSE
[08:48] <somerville32>     *
[08:48] <somerville32>       Kurdish follow-up article
[08:48] <somerville32>     *
[08:48] <somerville32>       More press related articles
[08:48] <somerville32>     *
[08:48] <somerville32>       Feisty changes
[08:48] <somerville32> Then the pre-release stuff and we are done
[08:48] <somerville32> Yea! :] 
[08:49] <tonyyarusso> For a moment there I thought I was looking at #ubuntu and was about to mutter something about pastebins.
[08:49] <somerville32> ;] 
[08:55] <Admiral_Chicago> Burgundavia, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreddyMartinez#preview
[08:55] <Admiral_Chicago> some more edits, can you provide feedback
[08:55] <Admiral_Chicago> actually the link is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreddyMartinez
[08:55] <Burgundavia> Admiral_Chicago: ok, good
[08:56] <Burgundavia> for the chicago stuff, list concrete things have done
[08:56] <Burgundavia> such as "Attended X conference" or "Manned booth at X"
[08:57] <tonyyarusso> Admiral_Chicago: On the PGP key, you can make the link text just be the Key ID.
[08:57] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, that is a good idea, I can build more on that as we get going
[08:57] <Admiral_Chicago> err as I look back at the page
[09:02] <Burgundavia> http://www.metacafe.com/watch/334327/easy_linux_install_ubuntu_6_10/
[09:07] <Admiral_Chicago> Burgundavia, last one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreddyMartinez
[09:07] <Admiral_Chicago> does that add more information?
[09:08] <Burgundavia> yep
[09:08] <Admiral_Chicago> i wish i had some bugs I reportedh
[09:08] <Admiral_Chicago> wait i do have some...let me check my inbox
[09:09] <somerville32> What about my wiki page?
[09:09] <somerville32> Is mine good? :] 
[09:09] <Admiral_Chicago> somerville32, link ?
[09:09] <Admiral_Chicago> would this be a good one to add https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/konversation/+bug/72522
[09:09] <somerville32> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CodySomerville
[09:11] <Admiral_Chicago> oh somerville32 i've seen it before, you talked to elkbuntu about it
[09:12] <somerville32> Cool :] 
[09:12] <Admiral_Chicago> somerville32, i'd be more specific, especially some examples about what you've done
[09:13] <Admiral_Chicago> for example, some bugs you triaged
[09:14] <somerville32> I have links
[09:14] <somerville32> :] 
[09:16] <Admiral_Chicago> ah i didn't open them
[09:16] <Admiral_Chicago> okay i'm going to do homework
[09:16] <Admiral_Chicago> ttul
[09:16] <somerville32> Bye
[11:05] <poningru> nn all
[03:30] <atoponce> jenda: give up on dvorak?
[03:31] <jenda> atoponce: never, why?
[03:33] <jenda> my bad, sorry :)
[03:33] <jenda> my client freaked out, yesterday :)
[03:33] <jenda> so I disconnected... I always lose valuable channels that way - thanks for finding it back for me :)
[03:33] <atoponce> hehe. i thought we lost a typist
[03:35] <atoponce> btw- the posters rock. just got from my loco meet two days ago, and they are sweet
[03:35] <atoponce> putting it up in my cubicle at work
[03:36] <atoponce> i'll get my IT dept converted just fet
[03:36] <atoponce> s/fet/yet/
[03:36] <atoponce> brb
[04:18] <MitchM_> Someone pinged me whilst I was away.
[04:36] <danbuchWork> hallo beuno!
[04:36] <beuno> hey there  ;D
[04:37] <danbuchWork> okay, so Jenda brought me into the fold with DIY/SpreadUbuntu...
[04:37] <danbuchWork> and if he's round, I'd love to have him pop in and correct me when needed
[04:38] <danbuchWork> so what we've been talking about is the struggle with whether or not DIY should have a full-blown CMS in the back
[04:38] <beuno> yeah, I agree that it should be:
[04:38] <beuno> 1) simple to add content
[04:38] <jenda> hello :)
[04:38] <beuno> 2) simple to maintain and modify
[04:38] <danbuchWork> hallo Jenda!
[04:38] <beuno> hellos
[04:38] <danbuchWork> beuno: agreed
[04:39] <jenda> atoponce: thanks, glad you like them :)
[04:39] <atoponce> yeah. they're cool
[04:39] <danbuchWork> ...with the biggest concern (for me, at least) that it not get out of hand
[04:39] <beuno> is there any examples of what content there would be on each section?
[04:39] <danbuchWork> with too many contributions / diluted marketing message, etc.
[04:40] <danbuchWork> there are plenty of wallpapers around :-P
[04:40] <beuno> maybe by taking a look at each I can start narrowing the options
[04:40] <danbuchWork> I know that Jenda's been working on T-shirts, too
[04:40] <danbuchWork> We've got the Brochure, HanZo and MadPilot's posters
[04:41] <danbuchWork> plenty of stickers...
[04:41] <jenda> hehe
[04:41] <beuno> ok, I was aiming at "type" of content
[04:41] <beuno> graphics
[04:41] <danbuchWork> as in: the site design?   /me a bit confused (sorry)
[04:41] <beuno> with some sort of preview + svg or ai or whatever
[04:41] <jenda> beuno: I'd aim for anything that can serve to spread ubuntu - both the official looking things and the not-so official.
[04:42] <beuno> what I'm trying to visualize is how to present the content
[04:42] <beuno> and when I have that in my head
[04:42] <jenda> eg. pschulz01's brochure is the official type, one that Canonical made, and it fits the Ubuntu branding very well. The posters are made by a comix artist, and look more unofficial.
[04:42] <beuno> I'll start narrowing down the backend options to present the content needed
[04:42] <jenda> (although canonical approved them)
[04:42] <jenda> aha
[04:45] <beuno> I've read that they're would be walkthroughs
[04:45] <jenda> yes, I'd like that to happen.
[04:45] <danbuchWork> and the possibility for "suppliers" to advertise their wares
[04:46] <jenda> advertise in the informative way, not in the spamming way :)
[04:46] <beuno> so up to know we have, different ways of showing "images" that will be for tshirts, poster, etc
[04:46] <danbuchWork> jenda: right :-D
[04:46] <beuno> files like PDF for brochures
[04:46] <danbuchWork> ...and possible "order forms"
[04:46] <beuno> and walkthroughs in some sort of HTML
[04:46] <danbuchWork> right
[04:47] <beuno> so, the images I can cook up something clean and simple in PHP
[04:47] <beuno> let some admin upload via a form or just drop it into a folder
[04:47] <danbuchWork> beuno: when you're talking about presentation, are you talking about altering the CSS layout, or how the content is delivered?
[04:48] <beuno> the walkthroughs actually pose the most problems
[04:48] <beuno> how the content is delivered, and what is (to me) more crucial, how it's stored
[04:49] <danbuchWork> gotcha /me not confused anymore
[04:49] <beuno> (in the database, random html files, txt, wiki, etc)
[04:49] <beuno> ;D
[04:49] <danbuchWork> are you thinking that a CMS might be in order?
[04:50] <beuno> well, for the walkthroughs to be easy and user friendly at the same time I think we'll have to go with some sort of wiki or (this I like more), modified wordpres
[04:50] <beuno> wordpress let's you play with HTML tags, which I like more then wiki tags
[04:50] <danbuchWork> I'd be okay with that.  /me don't have any experience with wordpress, but I hear it's fun :-D
[04:50] <beuno> so basically anyone can send the walkthrough in any format
[04:51] <beuno> and it would be some work on our part on adding it to wordpress (copy n paste most of the time)
[04:51] <beuno> ataponce, I'm glad I'm not alone
[04:51] <danbuchWork> That'd be nice, yes...  non-standardized wiki markup makes jack a dull boy
[04:52] <atoponce> beuno: i always have to keep a syntax of the current wiki system that i'm using nearby. too confusing between wikis i think
[04:52] <danbuchWork> atopence: I second the motion
[04:52] <atoponce> dokuwiki, mediawiki, etc,... :)
[04:52] <beuno> yes, on the other hand, HTML I think is easier to deal with, and depending on the type of content, you wouldn't even have to leave the WYSIWYG
[04:53] <danbuchWork> beuno: were you thinking of using wordpress for only a portion of DIY, so that we can have tighter admin of the more "static" pages?
[04:53] <beuno> exactly
[04:53] <danbuchWork> gute :-D
[04:53] <danbuchWork> well, then, I guess we've got a path to start down
[04:53] <beuno> the static pages can be *in* wordpress, or even completly out of it
[04:54] <danbuchWork> are you willing to attack the "howto" section via wordpress, along with whatever else fits that mold?
[04:54] <beuno> as long as we keep the walkthroughs-type of content in it to make it managable
[04:54] <danbuchWork> right
[04:54] <beuno> yeap, absolutly
[04:54] <beuno> seems like a good place to start
[04:55] <beuno> I'm thinking something else for the images and stuff, something custom, but I'll take a look at wordpress plugins before I go down that road
[04:55] <beuno> lol
[04:55] <danbuchWork> beuno: you'll be so kind as to bzr update/add/commit/push yes?
[04:56] <beuno> yeah, I've used CVS before, so I don't think bzr will pose any problems
[04:56] <danbuchWork> then you're way ahead of _me_ :-D
[04:57] <beuno> ;D
[04:58] <beuno> the commits go straight to the diy.devubuntu.com website?
[04:58] <danbuchWork> beuno: what was the URL of your copy of DIY?
[04:58] <danbuchWork> beuno: no... sorry
[04:58] <danbuchWork> devubuntu.com requires ftp access
[04:58] <beuno> http://uluga.com.ar/diy
[04:58] <danbuchWork> but I'll put it up there as soon as I bzr update
[04:59] <beuno> ok, well, then I'll test it on my server, and when it gets some shape, I'll commit it to bzr
[04:59] <beuno> and then it's your problem  ;D
[04:59] <beuno> the only thing we might need to workout is the MySQL db and all that
[05:00] <beuno> but again, I can use it on my server while we go back and forth
[05:05] <danbuchWork> beuno:  and you can always send over a .sql file so we can get in sync :-)
[05:06] <beuno> danbuckWork, maybe you can do the layout for "howto" section so I can integrate the PHP into it?
[05:06] <danbuchWork> in HTML, you mean?
[05:06] <beuno> yeap
[05:06] <beuno> HTML
[05:06] <danbuchWork> will do
[05:06] <beuno> I'll get working on the backend
[05:07] <danbuchWork> exshellent
[05:07] <beuno> and I'll try to *draw* what I see that section looking like, as far as what goes where
[05:07] <beuno> for example:  "latest additions", "10 must-see's", etc
 That'd be nice, yes...  non-standardized wiki markup makes jack a dull boy
[05:11] <jenda> lol :)
[05:11] <jenda> I'm catching up with the log.
[05:13] <beuno> I'm going out to lunch, I'll be back in a while
[05:13] <jenda> later
[05:13] <beuno> I'll leave this open so I can catch up
[05:13] <beuno> ba byes
[05:13] <jenda> Sounds great to me
[05:14] <jenda> I'm sorry I didn't participate more ;)
[05:15] <jenda> whoa
[05:16] <jenda> some wild design changes there :)
[05:18] <danbuchWork> jenda: I hope that I responded correctly to feedback ;-)
[05:18] <jenda> hehe
[05:18] <jenda> I'm still looking at it and thinking :)
[05:19] <jenda> It's...
[05:19] <danbuchWork> my biggest concern this time 'round was making it SVGA-friendly.. 
[05:19] <jenda> it's ber cool, for sure.
[05:19] <jenda> I'm just thinking if perhaps it shouldn't be just a tidbit more verbose.
[05:19] <jenda> Can we do tooltips?
[05:20] <danbuchWork> tis good to hear :-D  ... did you try already ;-)
[05:20] <danbuchWork> ?
[05:23] <jenda> argh :)
[05:23] <jenda> danbuchWork: great work.
[05:23] <danbuchWork> is the verbage to your liking on the tooltips?
[05:23] <jenda> design:
[05:24] <jenda> we don't offer them the option of designing.
[05:24] <danbuchWork> hrm
[05:24] <jenda> It should say: Submit your own designs
[05:24] <jenda> maybe
[05:24] <jenda> no
[05:24] <jenda> :)
[05:24] <danbuchWork> we don't *want* to, or we don't *yet* offer it?
[05:24] <jenda> can't make up my mind :)
[05:24] <danbuchWork> hehe
[05:24] <jenda> well, they design it themselves, what that button gives them is a place to give them to us...
[05:25] <jenda> or...
[05:25] <jenda> well, instructions to design...
[05:25] <jenda> so I guess it's oK the way it is :)
[05:25] <danbuchWork> I thought that the "design" section was for style and submission guidelines and such
[05:25] <danbuchWork> right
[05:25] <jenda> yes, you're right
[05:25] <jenda> disregard me.
[05:25] <jenda> :)
[05:26] <danbuchWork> never!
[05:27] <jenda> what I really like is the four small ones at the top, and their shading on mouseover.
[05:27] <danbuchWork> it's all CSS, too :-D    no JavaScript buttons!
[05:28] <jenda> BTW, you have Lasse in the Credits at the bottom, I think you should put: Site credits: Lasse Havelund, Daniel Holbach, Martin Albisetti
[05:28] <jenda> neat ;)
[05:28] <jenda> (and add anyone else who helps)
[05:29] <danbuchWork> it's officially on my "to do" list
[05:30] <jenda> hehe
[05:32] <danbuchWork> also, for the record:  the stroke thickness around "design" and the funny black gradient inside the "get" icon are also set to be addressed
[05:32] <jenda> ok :)
[06:42] <Burgwork> http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=182&tag=nl.e539
[06:57] <atoponce> Burgwork: interesting article. i wonder why he hasn't made the connection that alpha releases are prone to crashing
[06:57] <Burgwork> no idea
[07:06] <beuno> it's not going to be pretty, that I can promise
[07:06] <atoponce> so is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/DIYWebsite/HOWTOs still the repository to put the howtos, or is it changing?
[07:07] <beuno> if I can do my job right, it's changing
[07:08] <atoponce> what'll be the url?
[07:09] <beuno> I'm not sure yet
[07:09] <Burgwork> at some point the marketing team needs to meet, and one of things up for discussion in the DIY site
[07:10] <Burgwork> there is a possibility we can get diy on a canonical server
[07:10] <atoponce> in the meantime, continue using the wiki?
[07:10] <Burgwork> for diy stuff? yes?
[07:11] <atoponce> yeah
[07:12] <beuno> danbuchWork, I have this very sloppy DIA draft cooked up, how do you want me to send it?
[07:12] <danbuchWork> jenda was saying we'd be at diy.ubuntu.com ... unless that was wishful thinking
[07:13] <danbuchWork> beuno - can you post a zip on a domain in your realm?
[07:13] <jenda> actually, they said that would be possible once it's done.
[07:13] <beuno> yeap
[07:13] <jenda> atoponce: the repo should stay.
[07:13] <danbuchWork> jenda: I didn't think you'd joke about something like that :-D
[07:13] <beuno> maybe this is a good time to mention I have a couple of dedicated servers
[07:13] <jenda> Both jono and jane approved of it.
[07:14] <jenda> and I'm sure matthewrevell would too :) 
[07:14] <beuno> nothing fancy, but theyre on 10mbit on a good datacenter
[07:14] <danbuchWork> beuno: do any of them have python support with python-cheetah installed?
[07:14] <beuno> danbuchWork, I can install whatever I want on them  ;D
[07:14] <danbuchWork> hehe....   /me rubs hands together....     excellent.....
[07:15] <danbuchWork> perhaps you'd be able to have a separate skeletonz install up and running on one of your servers - for SpreadUbuntu, that is
[07:15] <beuno> yeap, I probably could
[07:16] <danbuchWork> jenda: is this something we'd want to keep working on with Mitch at devubuntu?
[07:16] <beuno> http://uluga.com.ar/diy/diy_howto.png
[07:16] <beuno> I don't know if that's what you where expecting, but that is what I wanted to point out  ;D
[07:16] <jenda> danbuchWork: most certainly
[07:16] <danbuchWork> that is: should we keep a "spread.devubuntu.com" site up, assuming Mitch can give us python and python-cheetah?
[07:16] <atoponce> beuno: looks good. easy layout, i think
[07:17] <MenZa> jenda: the printer's majorly fucked
[07:17] <danbuchWork> beuno: agreed - I like the idea of having a "how you can help out" link within each section
[07:17] <MenZa> We're having some technicians look at it in the morning
[07:17] <jenda> MenZa: language!
[07:17] <jenda> :)
[07:17] <MenZa> Yeah I know :P
[07:18] <MenZa> !language > MenZa
[07:18] <danbuchWork> MenZa: might I recommend "Fracked" ?
[07:18] <jenda> self-service
[07:18] <danbuchWork>  :-D
[07:18] <MenZa> :D
[07:18] <jenda> I'm not a big fan of euphemised swearwords.
[07:18] <Burgwork> the reason I say a canonical server is the "hit by a bus" factor
[07:18] <jenda> but _meh_ 
[07:18] <Burgwork> if it is on a Canonical server, if any of us get hit by buses, the project still goes one
[07:19] <Burgwork> on, rather
[07:19] <danbuchWork> Burgwork: agreed
[07:19] <jenda> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Nobody_cares
[07:19] <beuno> we can host it on one of my servers until Canonical con provide the setup
[07:20] <jenda> omg... did I just say "/love"?
[07:20] <beuno> shouldn't be more then a DNS change  (it never is, but we all can dream)
[07:20] <danbuchWork> hehe.....   
[07:21] <danbuchWork> jenda, Burgwork: is there any reason why we shouldn't beuno host spreadubuntu until it goes live?
[07:21] <tsmithe> wow idling is fun...
[07:21] <jenda> no, feel free.
[07:21] <jenda> later, tsmithe
[07:21] <tsmithe> cy'all
[07:22] <tsmithe> bet ya didn't even know i was here
[07:22] <jenda> danbuchWork, no, there is no reason, that is :)
[07:22] <jenda> tsmithe: you're always here ;)
[07:22] <tsmithe> i am
[07:22] <jenda> and elsewhere, too.
[07:22] <tsmithe> and that
[07:22] <danbuchWork> ...unless Mitch can get us server space with Python and Python-Cheetah :-) .... for the sake of consistency under devubuntu.com
[07:22] <TheGods> i'm omnipresent
[07:22] <tsmithe> right
[07:22] <tsmithe> i mean it this time
[07:22] <tsmithe> damn
[07:22] <tsmithe> i lied
[07:23] <jenda> #tapthru, #ubuntuforums, #ubuntu-offtopic are a few I noticed...
[07:23] <TheGods> we're omnipresent
[07:23] <tsmithe> i really mean it now :)
[07:23] <tsmithe> jenda you're right
[07:23] <tsmithe> :D
[07:23] <beuno> well, the offer is on the table, just thought it was a good moment to point out I have a couple of those laying aroung
[07:24] <beuno> around
[07:24] <danbuchWork> beuno:  thanks for the offer, seriously! :-D
[07:24] <danbuchWork> I'm just a nut about consistency .... but only when it makes sense :-P
[07:24] <beuno> ;D  my pleasure
[07:25] <beuno> yes, me too. but on the other hand, I wouldn't want things stalled because of lack of resources
[07:25] <danbuchWork> precisely :-)
[07:26] <danbuchWork> beuno: if you can get us a skeletonz site to play in...   let's do it :-D
[07:27] <danbuchWork> Amir Salihefendic is the developer and he's all for the SpreadUbuntu project:  amix3k {at} gmail.com
[07:27] <danbuchWork> he also has a Google Group set up
[07:27] <beuno> well, thats always nice to know...
[07:28] <danbuchWork> I like his style - he took a perfectly reasonable app stack and stripped out almost everything except for Cheetah :-D
[07:29] <danbuchWork> ...he mentioned that he's working on deb'ing skeletonz so that we can all apt-get in the near future
[07:30] <beuno> it seems I already have everything needed installed...
[07:31] <beuno> uploading...
[08:12] <beuno_> :(
[08:12] <beuno_> so close...
[08:12] <beuno_>     raise Exception, 'Could not import DB connector! Please make sure you selected the right one in amidb.py!'
[08:17] <beuno_> danbuckWork, it seems I'm missing something on the server
[08:17] <beuno_> but I'm not sure what
[08:18] <beuno_> Python is on there, MySQLdb is on there...
[08:18] <danbuchWork> beuno: do you have the Python-mysql package?   (not sure of actual package name)...   I think I remember getting this exception
[08:19] <beuno_> yeap
[08:19] <beuno_> that's the one I have
[08:19] <danbuchWork> if you look at the first few lines in amidb.py it should say what it's trying to import
[08:19] <beuno_> the db is created
[08:19] <beuno_> MySQL  :(
[08:20] <beuno_>         import MySQLdb as DBWrapper
[08:20] <danbuchWork> I just pinged Amir... maybe he can help
[08:20] <beuno_> would be great
[08:24] <beuno> danbuchWork, I just forwarded you ftp/ssh access to the account
[08:24] <beuno> that might help debug  :D
[08:27] <danbuchWork> beuno: thanks :-)
[08:30] <danbuchWork> Amir's on his way
[08:30] <beuno> FYI, it's a RHEL
[08:30] <amix> hi guys
[08:30] <danbuchWork> beuno: good to know :-D
[08:31] <danbuchWork> amix: thanks for joining!
[08:31] <beuno> hey amix
[08:31] <amix> no problems :)
[08:31] <danbuchWork> beuno is getting a skeletonz install up...
[08:31] <amix> i acutally join on this server for some python channels :)
[08:32] <amix> any troubles?
[08:32] <danbuchWork> beuno: can you give us details on the exception again?
[08:32] <beuno> yeap
[08:33] <beuno> (cursing pastebin)
[08:34] <amix> beuno: try this -> http://paste.pocoo.org/
[08:34] <beuno> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/352/
[08:34] <beuno> ;D
[08:34] <beuno> much faster
[08:35] <amix> beuno: you don't have MySQLdb installed
[08:35] <amix> you can get it from -> http://sourceforge.net/projects/mysql-python
[08:35] <beuno> I do have mysql-python installed according to cpanel...
[08:36] <amix> try to launch python
[08:36] <amix> i.e. python
[08:36] <amix> and do import MySQLdb
[08:36] <beuno> ImportError: No module named MySQLdb
[08:36] <beuno> :(
[08:36] <danbuchWork> yeah... it says ImportError: No module named MySQLdb
[08:36] <danbuchWork> argh
[08:36] <beuno> The following packages you requested are already updated:
[08:36] <beuno> MySQL-python
[08:36] <beuno> Install Complete
[08:37] <amix> maybe it's from the wrong python version
[08:37] <amix> do you have multiple python versions installed?
[08:37] <amix> python2.4?
[08:38] <beuno> spread@spreadubuntu.com [~/public_html/skeletonz_beta] # python
[08:38] <beuno> Python 2.4.3 (#1, Nov 27 2006, 11:13:11) 
[08:38] <beuno> [GCC 3.4.6 20060404 (Red Hat 3.4.6-3)]  on linux2
[08:38] <MenZa> CAT
[08:39] <amix> beuno: i think you have installed mysqldb for python2.3?
[08:39] <amix> try to do python2.3 and import MySQLdb
[08:39] <danbuchWork> yeah, that seems to be workin'
[08:39] <beuno> you arte correct
[08:39] <beuno> are
[08:40] <beuno> I can see a headache coming my way...
[08:40] <danbuchWork> thanks, amix!
[08:40] <danbuchWork> :-D
[08:40] <amix> np :)
[08:40] <beuno> yeah, that was invaluable help, I would of gone around in circles for hours  ;D
[08:41] <beuno> I'm kinda a clumbsy around RH, damn apt made my life so easy...
[08:41] <amix> APT rocks :)
[08:41] <danbuchWork> beuno: I only hope I never have to use RHEL... ubuntu is my first and I hope it's my last :-D
[08:42] <somerville32> Whats this for anyhow?
[08:42] <danbuchWork> spreadubuntu.com
[08:42] <beuno> yeah, I administrate a few RH and a few Debian/Ubuntu
[08:42] <beuno> I get along with debian-based much better
[08:42] <beuno> but Cpanel rocks for shared hosting, so...
[08:42] <beuno> (not available for debian)
[08:43] <danbuchWork> somerville32: worried we're off-topic?  :-D
[08:43] <somerville32> Let me get this straight
[08:43] <somerville32> You're using Red Hat to host spreadubuntu.com?
[08:43] <danbuchWork> for the time being, yes :-(
[08:44] <somerville32> There is just... something wrong with that :P
[08:44] <beuno> well, we can always host it on a windows box...
[08:44] <amix> :-D
[08:44] <danbuchWork> HA!  :-D
[08:44] <amix> anyway, will be off, buy daniel can message me if you run into more problems
[08:44] <beuno> not that I have any available, but I guess we can get vmware up and running   ;D
[08:45] <danbuchWork> thanks again, amix!
[08:45] <beuno> thanks a bunch amir
[08:45] <amix> i will be here, but i won't read the chat
[08:45] <amix> no problems, and you just ask if you run into more problems
[08:46] <danbuchWork> beuno: I've gotta get back to work - too many breaks today :-( ... I'll get those templates/layouts to you tomorrow morning
[08:46] <beuno> great
[08:46] <beuno> I'll keep trying to get this working
[08:46] <beuno> and then maybe get back to wordpress hacking
[08:47] <danbuchWork> schweet B-)
[08:51] <beuno> ehm
[08:51] <beuno> http://rh2.pentacorp.net:14002/
[08:52] <beuno> ;D
[08:52] <beuno> Server started on port 14002
[08:53] <danbuchWork> let it be known the world over!  well.... as soon as my DNS gets updated :-P
[08:54] <beuno> the domain spreadubuntu.com isn't pointed yet thou
[08:54] <beuno> and I didn't get the config right
[08:54] <beuno> but it works   ;D
[08:55] <danbuchWork> I know that spreadubuntu.com is current pointing to ubuntu.com ....    if that's any help at all :-P
[08:56] <beuno> oh, so what DNS do you need to get updated?
[08:56] <beuno> http://rh2.pentacorp.net:14002/  should work/resolv
[08:56] <danbuchWork> heck, I dunno... I'm at work behind half a dozen gateways :-D
[08:56] <beuno> aaah
[08:56] <beuno> heh
[08:56] <beuno> ok ok
[08:56] <beuno> well
[08:56] <beuno> it works
[08:57] <beuno> so now we know we can use the servers
[08:57] <danbuchWork> yay!
[08:57] <beuno> I'll get the config right and point some domain at it
[08:57] <beuno> but now, wordpress is calling me (and maybe I should do some work too)
[08:58] <danbuchWork> beuno: thanks for jumping into the project like this!  I'll have some material for you tomorrow morning!
[08:58] <beuno> np, glad I can help
[08:58] <beuno> cya around!
[09:40] <nixternal> nice to see they caught the distro watch hack and put us back where we belong, up top ;)
[09:40] <somerville32> nixternal: There was a watch hack for real?
[09:40] <tsmithe> awh
[09:40] <nixternal> of course, there always is when we loose 1st place
[09:56] <Burgwork> danbuchWork: the hit by the bus thing. beuno is somebody I have never seen around and thus I am concerned if he vanishes
[09:57] <danbuchWork> Burgwork: noted.  I'm still going to make sure all of the files are kept in the Bazaar branch - I'm just happy he's getting a Skeletonz install up and running so we can play with the UI.
[09:58] <danbuchWork> beuno is Martin Albisetti - jenda tells me he's not so new
[09:59] <Burgwork> ah
[10:00] <Burgwork> there is also the matter of access to it
[10:00] <tsmithe> yeahs
[10:00] <jenda> judging just by his participation recently in the mailing list.
[10:00] <tsmithe> although /me's yet to make a contribution :)
[10:07] <danbuchWork> MitchM: you 'round?
[10:08] <danbuchWork> Burgwork:  I have similar concerns.  I'd like it if we could get a subdomain up on devubuntu.com - /me looks around for Mitch
[10:09] <Burgwork> danbuchWork: is there a difference between diy and spread they?
[10:09] <MitchM> danbuchWork, yessir -- how can I help you?
[10:10] <danbuchWork> there will be insomuch that we're aiming at slightly different audiences... and spreadubuntu will be taking on much of what we do in diy
[10:10] <MitchM> danbuchWork, What do you want your subdomain to be?
[10:10] <danbuchWork> MitchM:  we haven't formally met :-D  I'd love it if we could have spread.devubuntu.com
[10:10] <Burgwork> danbuchWork: sorry, I am little confused
[10:10] <Burgwork> what is the purpose of spread then?
[10:11] <MitchM> A desired username?
[10:11] <danbuchWork> diy marketing is squarely for current Ubuntu users, whereas we're hoping to make spreadubuntu a bit more accessible to noobs
[10:11] <Burgwork> no, no, that is not what I meant
[10:11] <danbuchWork> MitchM: meatballhat , if you please
[10:11] <danbuchWork> Burgwork: sorry :-)
[10:11] <Burgwork> you mean to have spread as a portal for people to learn about Ubuntu?
[10:12] <danbuchWork> more like: diy is all about materials - spread will be bigger, more participatory, more informatiive (?) ...
[10:12] <danbuchWork> we really just broke it up a bit so as to make diy less daunting
[10:12] <Burgwork> right, I just don't see the difference
[10:12] <Burgwork> lets talk use cases
[10:12] <Burgwork> diy has a clear one: I need some or want to create some marketing material
[10:12] <danbuchWork> there aren't many, you're right :-D
[10:12] <danbuchWork> right
[10:13] <danbuchWork> jenda saw this as the most pressing need
[10:13] <Burgwork> spread is a rathole, imho, that leads to massive duplication of existing resources, for little need
[10:13] <Burgwork> or benefit
[10:13] <Burgwork> the primary place to "spread" ubuntu, is ubuntu.com
[10:13] <danbuchWork> duplication is absolutely not what we want 
[10:13] <Burgwork> absolutely
[10:14] <danbuchWork> and I agree with what you're saying about ubuntu.com
[10:14] <Burgwork> however, I fear that is exactly the path you are leading down with a "spread" page
[10:14] <MitchM> danbuchWork, Username meatballhat
[10:14] <danbuchWork> hrm......   
[10:14] <danbuchWork> MitchM: thanks!
[10:14] <MitchM> aye -- cheers.
[10:14] <MitchM> should have ssh/ftp setup
[10:14] <MitchM> check permissions to see if you can upload
[10:14] <danbuchWork> Burwork:  I guess it seems that diy has gotten bigger than we first saw...
[10:14] <Burgwork> not really
[10:15] <Burgwork> create and diseminate information
[10:15] <danbuchWork> ..but without turning it into an upload-crazy abyss
[10:15] <Burgwork> when people ask "how", we point them at a resource like the wiki
[10:15] <Burgwork> absolutely, we need to talk about some sort of content "pipeline", where only approved stuff is promoted, etc.
[10:16] <Burgwork> basically, we need a meeting about this
[10:16] <danbuchWork> Burgwork: you are preachin' my sermon
[10:16] <Burgwork> because it is very opaque
[10:16] <danbuchWork> yes
[10:16] <Burgwork> elkbuntu: ping
[10:16] <Burgwork> elkbuntu and I are going to arrange one
[10:16] <danbuchWork> excellent :-D
[10:16] <somerville32> Moo
[10:17] <Burgwork> hey somerville32
[10:17] <somerville32> Hi :] 
[10:17] <Burgwork> danbuchWork: also, the hit by the bus thing again. The more of us doing something on a single project, the more likely it is going to continue
[10:17] <Burgwork> I absolutely love diy, and that is why it needs to be somewhere official
[10:18] <MitchM> poor little devubuntu -- not official you say?
[10:18] <Burgwork> a single place to upload and download marketing material has been something that I have been thinking about for a long time and why I was so glad jenda picked it up
[10:18] <MitchM> *shakes head in shame*
[10:18] <Burgwork> MitchM: I mean on a canonical server, mostly
[10:18] <MitchM> I was kidding ;)
[10:18] <Burgwork> heh
[10:18] <Burgwork> there is a cautionary tale with the locoteam servers
[10:18] <danbuchWork> Burgwork: I'm glad to hear the diy is on your mind :-D
[10:19] <danbuchWork> *that
[10:19] <Burgwork> MitchM: I never lighten up ;)
[10:19] <MitchM> You're*
[10:19] <MitchM> har har 
[10:19] <MitchM> well -- neither do I sitting in front of this computer all day :-)
[10:19] <MitchM> (bad punn)
[10:20] <MitchM> danbuchWork, Give that user a quick test would ya?
[10:20] <danbuchWork> MitchM: I'm connected - passwd? :-D
[10:20] <danbuchWork> hehe
[10:20] <MitchM> i msg'ed it to ya
[10:20] <danbuchWork> thx
[10:20] <MitchM> rgr
[10:24] <jenda> Burgwork, MitchM - didn't yet read the whole convo, but the plan is that as soon as DIY is ready, it will attempt to go official.
[10:25] <jenda> Both Jono and Jane S. have expressed support.
[10:25] <MitchM> jenda, I just host the site :) ... Keep me out of the politics =)
[10:25] <Burgwork> jenda: yes, and elkbuntu and I are trying to arrange a good meeting time, but that is hard, given the nature of our timezones
[10:25] <jenda> hehe
[10:25] <jenda> Don't you dare leave Europe out :)
[10:26] <jenda> I'm flexible, however.
[10:26] <somerville32> Me too
[10:26] <Burgwork> well, we want Christina to come as well
[10:26] <jenda> that would be great :)
[10:26] <Burgwork> which means we have, utc+2 , 0, -4, -8 and +10
[10:26] <Burgwork> pretty much means there isn't a good time of day, unless somebody sacrafices sleep
[10:27] <jenda> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings
[10:27] <jenda> PLEASE keep it up to date :)
[10:27] <Burgwork> heh
[10:27] <jenda> I'm willing to sacrifice sleep. I do it all the time.
[10:27] <jenda> Not sure how many other europoids there are.
[10:28] <somerville32> Jenda: What TZ are you in?
[10:28] <jenda> +2 is it?
[10:29] <jenda> that means, if it's 3 AM my time, it'll be 22 yours
[10:29] <jenda> good for americans...
[10:29] <jenda> and early-ish morning for them aussies.
[10:36] <tsmithe> what did i miss? seems busier in here than usual
[10:36] <jenda> nothing...
[10:37] <tsmithe> do you want me to read my logs?
[10:37] <tsmithe> ok
[10:37] <tsmithe> not much happened
[10:37] <tsmithe> remember, keep times utc!
[10:39] <jenda> hehe
[10:41] <tsmithe> makes life the extra bit easier for me :P
[11:10] <jenda> tsmithe, please don't.
[11:11] <tsmithe> oh yeah
[11:11] <tsmithe> i'm proving the unbelievers in #politics wrong
[11:11] <tsmithe> i forgot about quiet channels
[11:11] <tsmithe> :)
[11:11] <jenda> Nick changes aren't popular, you know taht.
[11:12] <tsmithe> nor is #politics but that doesn't stop them being popular
[11:12] <tsmithe> :)
[11:14] <tsmithe> bye jenda