=== marcin_ant [n=marcin@194.114.146.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cormil [n=cormil@d83-184-110-231.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Subhuman [n=jack@host86-144-222-197.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-059-250.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Skiritai [n=Skiritai@adsl-209-30-230-207.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === guglielf [n=guglielf@unaffiliated/guglielf] has joined #ubuntu-motu === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === brainsik [n=brainsik@dsl092-001-132.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rmjb_ [n=richard@cuscon12866.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon yawns [01:02] hi imbrandon [01:02] what's up? [01:02] nadda [01:02] sitting bored [01:02] staring at irc [01:02] sftping some files to the new box [01:02] :) [01:02] you? [01:03] just had lunch [01:03] hehe me 3 [01:03] now back at work [01:03] for more fun times [01:03] yea i'm on the 12 to 12 shift atm [01:03] bored out of my mind atm at work , nothing happens on a sunday night here [01:04] i;'m litterly the only person in the building [01:04] with 6 more hours [01:04] so i've been setting up pbuilders on the new colo box [01:05] thinking about tomarrow i might put my apple lappy in the rack too as a ppc buildd [01:05] maybe [01:05] heh [01:05] what's the new colo box? [01:05] something we can play on? [01:05] eventualy, right now i only have my account on their but it will be a build server for us [01:06] ok [01:06] its sitting on a FAT pipe at work, with no limmits on bandwitch etc and a 100Mb/s connection [01:06] my ssh key is on launchpad :) [01:06] but hopefully over the next day or two i'll have it all ready for the "public" [01:06] :) [01:07] and actualy if it had a gigbit card i would have 1000Mb/s connection, e.g. the employee rack is unmetered and tied driectly to the trunk [01:07] heh [01:07] not that you really need it for building stuff [01:08] right right, but i'll eventualy put imbrandon.com their too ( probably not on that particualr box though ) [01:08] you expect to saturate 100Mbps? [01:08] I'd be impressed [01:08] and it at the moment has 368GB free hdd space on LVM so i can add more HDD's too if needed [01:09] nah , but i like to have extra :) [01:09] i doubt we'll even come close [01:09] except maybe in a burst or something [01:09] for a single download [01:09] etc [01:09] like if you hosted an ubuntu mirror there around release time [01:10] right, there is actualty already a full ubuntu mirror the company runs on the lan ( and publicly ) so i dident see a need to mirror again === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feb6fb00-217.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lupine_85 [n=lupine@nick.lupine.me.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:10] the company public mirror on the same lan is ummm current.gsihosting.com/ubuntu iirc [01:11] i have it in the sources.list as the private ip, i think thats the public one [01:11] useful [01:11] makes building a lot faster [01:11] yea [01:11] we have ALOT of ubuntu servers so having a lan mirror for updates and new server builds is nice too [01:12] but its a full rsyc mirror with all the arches etc too even though we only use x86 and x86_64 in house [01:13] ( and a CentOS mirror , ugh ) [01:13] maybe you can can slip that 1000Mbps card in sometime [01:13] hehe yea [01:14] brb [01:14] phone === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:16] re [01:17] so you do shift work there? [01:17] yea , well not normaly but someone had a funeral so i'm covering [01:17] normaly i work 8am to 4pm M-F [01:20] ah sane people's hours [01:21] heh [01:22] 8am mondays [01:22] so you'll be in at 8am tomorrow? [01:24] ping imbrandon =) [01:25] pong [01:25] imbrandon: btw are you available for some amd64 xen testing on edgy later this week? [01:25] im sorry if Im out of touch with my project right now, just figured Id check with you, did you get the tarballs ok? [01:25] zul: yup yup [01:25] yay [01:25] imbrandon: sweet i think i might have narrowed down the problem [01:25] now I don't have to be his testing b.. [01:25] yeah [01:26] DBO: yup got them, they are acutaly building at home right now, have had the chance to look them over a great deal, but it looks tons better than the 0.1.2 release [01:26] imbrandon: mesa-less? [01:26] ajmitch: yup looks like it [01:26] imbrandon, we tried to listen to what you said [01:26] :) [01:26] whoa ajmitch is back [01:26] DBO: looks like you all did a bang up job comparitively [01:27] like i said i still need to poke them a bit more, but i'm not cursing to myself this time ;) [01:27] you might have trouble with heliodor and feisty [01:27] this was an oversite and there will be a 0.1.3.1 release to fix the issue === freeflying|away [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:31] bddebian: I was back yesterday [01:31] ajmitch: Well what do I know? :-) [01:31] bddebian: it's not like I disappeared for weeks [01:31] :) [01:32] DBO: ok , i hadent made it that far, i mostly just messed with -core last night i was pretty tired when i got home [01:33] kk [01:33] going by my rate of working on them though i'd say tomarrow evening i should have useable debs ready [01:33] for peer review [01:34] man kobo deluxe is a really good game to pass the time while something's building :) === rrittenhouse [n=tad@cpe-76-188-35-66.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:34] imbrandon: assuming you get time to work on them without falling asleep [01:34] imbrandon: you have an ubuntu workstation at work? [01:34] yup , i'm on it now [01:35] i'm trying to convince them to change all the XP workstations to kubuntu [01:35] :) [01:35] the boss uses kubuntu at home , so i MIGHT if i can get it to authenticate by the domain etc [01:36] what domain? [01:36] AD? [01:37] yay domain controllers [01:38] hello everyone [01:40] Speaking of games. Is there a clean way to have a development version of a package in the archive at the same time as the "stable" branch? [01:40] too bad there is not a testing branch [01:41] joejaxx: No, I'm talking about libparagui atm :-) [01:41] bddebian: i meant too bad there is not a testing repos :) [01:42] Ahh :-) [01:42] inside the archive [01:42] :) [01:42] bddebian: can you name the package foo-testing? [01:42] or foo-svn [01:43] Well I was thinking more like a different package name. ie current stable package is libparagui1.0-dev so I was thinking something like libparagui1.1-dev or some such? [01:43] ugh hold on a colgate server just lost some disks [01:43] brb [01:43] colgate server? he'l hosting unilever? [01:43] well package-dev already has a meaning :) === tenshu [n=tenshu@sgc91-1-82-231-155-79.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:44] ajmitch: Care to weigh in? :) [01:44] sorry, read your statement wrong [01:44] yeah renaming the package should do the trick [01:44] Yeah but is it "valid"? :-) [01:45] and have a meta package named libfoo-stable that depends on the libfoo1.0 [01:45] when 1.1 get's stable let it depend on 1,1 [01:45] 1.1 [01:45] bddebian: what was the release you said to get? etch rc1? [01:46] joejaxx: I only ever ran unstable but I'm a psycho :-) [01:46] well this is fun [01:46] triple compiles of gcc [01:46] bddebian: haha [01:46] :) [01:46] ajmitch doesn't love me :-( [01:48] bddebian: :( === Subhuman [n=jack@host86-144-222-197.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:52] bddebian: where are the unstable images at? [01:52] bddebian: they only have links to stable on the site at the current moment [01:53] hey LaserJock [01:53] bddebian: or etch rather [01:53] hi everybody === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:53] Heya LaserJock [01:54] joejaxx: Just install stable and change your sources.list :-) [01:54] hello LaserJock [01:54] bddebian: oh ok :) [01:54] gcc finally finished compiling [01:54] lol === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jrib [n=jasonr@unaffiliated/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jikanter [n=jordan@c-24-12-220-77.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sid [n=unstable@glitchinthe.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:07] Why isn't xvidcap in Ubuntu? istanbul sucks, oggenc sucks up a lot of cpu and is buggy/doesn't work at all. [02:08] xvidcap dumps to mpeg-1 and works great, for people who want to make training videos for OpenOffice.org or other applications in Ubuntu to help others learn it..there is no viable option to do this. xvidcap is the answer imho. === geser [n=michael@dialin109166.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:09] sid: it's on REVU === chantra [n=chantra@89.101.208.69] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:11] LaserJock: What is Revu? [02:11] sid: i means its in the process of making its way into ubuntu [02:12] !revu > sid [02:12] heya LaserJock [02:13] Does Ubuntu have a debian-legal process? [02:13] Is there a lawyer at Canonical? [02:13] LaserJock: Where can I see this package? [02:14] sid: no, I believe we rely on debian-legal and the archive admins [02:15] Canonical probably has a lawyer [02:15] SFLC? [02:15] sid: why do you ask? [02:15] but they would probably not be relevent to archive issues [02:15] Well xvidcap coveres some mpeg related patents [02:15] That's why Debian doesn't package it, iirc [02:15] sid: on revu.tauware.de look up xvidcap [02:15] But since Ubuntu is in Europe, those patents don't apply. [02:15] sid: and that's why it would be in Multiverse [02:16] I beleive [02:16] sid: yes but we try to follow dfsg when we can, also we have mirrors all over the world [02:16] but there is always multiverse too === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:01] . [03:02] wow, impressive [03:02] heh [03:02] heya LaserJock [03:02] do you have a deb of usable mdt>? [03:03] wasent there a patch or something for it [03:03] yeah [03:03] still have that deb or dsc laying arroun d? [03:03] hmm, let me see [03:09] imbrandon: yeah, I found it [03:09] rockin [03:09] bzr branch at tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/multidistrotools/ [03:09] nice , thanks === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong amusingly notes that his HDTV boots slower than his laptop [03:21] hey LaserJock [03:21] whoa what a technology shift jdong [03:22] lol [03:22] hi zul === jdong meanwhile tries to make flexbackup handle deleted files between dumplevels [03:23] it's amazing how quickly stuff gets around on the internet :/ === sid [n=unstable@glitchinthe.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [03:25] LaserJock: good weekend? [03:25] would using a tar filelist and comm per snapshot be a sane idea? [03:25] never mind :) [03:25] that'd be a hackjob to implement [03:25] grr === jdong heads upstream [03:25] zul: a guy made a science "apt-get" script like a month ago and called it Scibuntu [03:26] now it's it has a mention in one of the 2 top science journals in the world and a sourceforge site [03:26] not bad.. [03:26] or is it? [03:26] I think it is [03:27] but yah know, it's FLOSS [03:27] the release I saw had typos on the package names so it wasn't even installing what he thought it was [03:28] hah [03:28] and now he has claim over both "Scibuntu" and "Linux for Scientists" [03:28] You snooze, you loose baby :-) [03:28] well, *I* didn't want it [03:28] but I think it should go to the community [03:29] ah well [03:29] but the Journal mention was too much [03:29] :-) [03:29] most grad students would kill to be in that journal [03:30] oh well === LaserJock cracks the whip on bddebian [03:30] mush! [03:31] For what? You don't need me anymore :'-( [03:31] hah [03:31] bddebian: http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/bugs.html === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian points at Fujitsu and minghua ;-P === LaserJock points to bddebian [03:32] "MOTU Science wants YOU!" [03:32] Grr... [03:32] W: libparagui1.1: unused-shlib-entry-in-control-file libparagui-1.1 0 [03:32] W: libparagui1.1: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libparagui-1.1-8 [03:34] I hate library packages :-( [03:34] heh "baby is jumping on body parts that shouldnt be jumped on" [03:36] They have a knack for doing that [03:41] lol [03:45] How the hell do I fix those errors? [03:50] is that lintian output? [03:52] Yeah, lintian or linda [03:52] imbrandon: got an amd64/feisty chroot? [03:52] a reasonably current one, that is [03:54] crimsun: Do you know what I need to do for those? I'm not real hip on libs [03:55] get the SONAME, make things match exactly [03:56] crimsun, ajmitch: hi! [03:56] ajmitch: I know but how? [03:56] hi [03:56] objdump -x lib |grep SONAME [03:56] hey LaserJock [03:56] what's up? === rexbron_ [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:05] crimsun: no the only feist install i have is 32bit [04:05] :( [04:05] feisty* [04:05] crimsun: you want one on my box? [04:05] ajmitch: afaict they do match :-( [04:06] ajmitch: just grabing a little dinner and looking at some stuff [04:06] crimsun: just unpacking it now, I'll do a quick dist-upgrade of a chroot [04:06] ajmitch: yes, please, thanks. [04:06] afaik you still have an ssh key on my box [04:11] anyone know of a good ide that is like codeblocks? [04:11] VisualStudio? === bddebian hides [04:11] rofl === somerville32 m [04:12] crimsun: should be ready in a couple of minutes [04:13] done [04:13] ajmitch: SONAME libparagui-1.1.so.8 so should shlibs be libparagui-1.1 8 foo ? [04:13] no [04:15] see debian library packaging guide [04:15] wow apparently glibc not compiling is an error in the source [04:16] ls [04:16] bah [04:22] Gah this makes no freakin' sense [04:23] Oohh, it should be libparagui-1.1.8.so.0 ? === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-124-142.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:35] ajmitch: Does that mean I have to fix the soname in the src? [04:39] do what you need to do === ajmitch is busy at work, needs to get stuff finished before going home [04:39] Never mind then thanks [04:42] sudo ln -s /bin/bash /bin/sh? [04:42] is that the fix? [04:42] looks like the MBR 2TB limit is the main drawback but thats simple to get arround [04:42] wah? [04:43] errm [04:43] _EWRONGWINDOW [04:43] s/_E/-E/ [04:43] joejaxx: you should fix scripts to either not us bashisms or #! /bin/bash [04:43] LaserJock: is that the fix for the sh-dash issue [04:43] no joejaxx [04:44] the fix is to fix the scripts that use bash but call sh === mruiz [n=mruiz@pc-134-66-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:44] no, that circumvents the problems [04:44] well [04:44] but it's not the proper "fix" [04:44] i am compilin glibc [04:44] compiling* [04:45] ln: creating symbolic link `/bin/sh' to `/bin/bash': File exists [04:47] ln -sf [04:47] e.g. "force" it, but thats the broken way to fix it [04:48] Grr [04:48] joejaxx: I fail to see what you're doing. glibc has obviously compiled on a dash Ubuntu [04:49] is this your "old world" experiment? :-) [04:49] nope [04:49] an entire operating system from the ground up [04:49] LFS? [04:50] LaserJock: C'mon oh Godly one, help me here :-) [04:50] LaserJock: that and completely written from scratch [04:52] asm and c [04:52] scary [04:53] why scary? [04:54] asm frightens me :) [04:54] oh [04:56] dude, I can barely do C++ and Python === ajmitch can barely do BASIC [04:56] peek poke pop push [04:56] C++ is second only to asm in the frightening category ;-P [04:56] really? [04:56] lloll [04:56] what about ada [04:57] or lisp [04:57] it doesn't seem all that bad, but I haven't done much with it yet [04:57] LaserJock: For me. For some reason C++ makes my head hurt [04:58] imbrandon: How much do you know about library packaging? === jdong recalls being a C++ language lawyer in his earlier nerdy days [04:59] darn it, I hate it how Ubuntu creates the extended partition to be the same size as logical partitions === jdong recalls conspiring with his AP CS teacher to write evil test problems [04:59] heh [05:00] cast the following function pointer to return int and take two voids and a struct foo*..... [05:00] :D [05:00] heh [05:00] ok, help me think thru this one... [05:01] how bad is it to have deleted files magically pop back up after restoring a backup? [05:01] I really don't feel like complicating my differential tar backups any more [05:02] ajmitch: LaserJock imbrandon i need a way to diable agilx through the default-settings-packages [05:02] any ideas on that one? [05:02] why do you want to disable aiglx? [05:02] because we cannot use it anyway [05:02] leave it [05:02] it does nothing if you don't do anything with it [05:03] i do not want it enabled by default on fluxbuntu feisty [05:03] there was something else that crimsun told me i needed to change [05:03] that seems pretty invasive [05:03] what is invasive? [05:04] changed default X settings is something no other deriv does [05:04] screwing up X config like that [05:04] in fact, they stay from changing stuff beneath "their stack" [05:04] it also means that you double the X debuggers work [05:04] which derivatives are you talking about? [05:04] as they need to figure out whether aiglx has been enabled our not === ajmitch still sees no compelling reason to disable AIGLX [05:04] kubuntu, xubuntu and edubuntu [05:05] oh those === bddebian still wants to know how to fix this sonames shit [05:05] i was thinking derivatives in general [05:05] nubuntu dosent either ( and is fluxbased ) === rrittenhouse [n=tad@cpe-76-188-35-66.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:06] yes i know [05:06] as a derivative, you want to change as little as possible [05:06] as every change involves more work [05:06] something I think few people realize, when they are start making distros and derivs [05:06] Burgundavia: you the project is not just about fluxbox? === twanj [n=chatzill@c-66-176-118-121.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:07] joejaxx: yours? [05:07] it's not like having AIGLX turned on in the X config should cause any issues [05:07] yes [05:07] what else does it encompase? [05:07] fluxbox is the last thing i care about in the project really [05:07] interesting... [05:07] joejaxx: it's not that, it's that you are making changes to core packages for no obvious benefit [05:08] Burgundavia: providing a desktop os for low end (and high end computer) and mobile devices [05:08] right, that is a totally different goal [05:08] that is the main goal [05:08] and aiglx doesn't get in the way of any of that [05:09] AIGLX exposes extra capabilities, it doesn't cause things to magically change [05:09] the magic changes are when you using a compositing manager [05:09] can you resize a mounted ext3 extended partition? [05:09] what else was changed in x from dapper to edgy? [05:09] well, it's a whole new upstream release [05:10] joejaxx: suggest you start digging into X release notes [05:10] LaserJock: [05:10] LaserJock: maybe that is why my video does not come back in edgy when i close my laptop [05:11] and i end up having to kill xserv [05:11] doubt it [05:11] so fix the problems, rather than trying to hack around the symptoms [05:11] that is failure on resume, a completely seperate ball of wax [05:11] joejaxx: did you install new nvidia drivers? [05:11] no [05:11] ok [05:11] cause apparently they;ve got trouble resizing... [05:11] Burgundavia: not resume [05:12] hey you know i was wondering what exactly it means to be a motu, you just become the package maintainer for a few packages? or what? [05:12] my laptop is still running while the lid is closed [05:13] ademan: you maintain Universe and have upload rights to it [05:13] does it mean you don't have to go through revu for new packages? [05:13] No [05:13] oh ok lol [05:13] LaserJock: you can expand an online mounted ext3 filesystem if you've reserved resize inodes [05:14] LaserJock: if resize2fs refuses to grow an online fs that means no resize inodes were reserved [05:14] (wow that sounds circular :D) [05:14] well sometime in the next 6 months i may have a game, or at least a game engine + small example game ready for the repos, course, who knows if i'll make my own deadline [05:14] LaserJock: unfortunately I don't think ubuntu's installer makes ext3 with reserved inodes [05:14] but there is good news [05:14] I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance === jdong ducks [05:16] well, I don't want resize the logical partition [05:17] just the extended partition [05:17] what are you trying to do? [05:18] well during the Ubuntu install the stupid partitioner only made the extended partition /dev/hdb4 as large as the logical partition it contains [05:18] goodness, what a nasty version: 0.8.6-svn20061210.release.ubuntu-0ubuntu1 [05:19] crimsun: last vlc is not much better === herzi [n=herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [05:19] 0.8.6-svn20060918.debian-1ubuntu4 [05:19] lol [05:20] let's add some more numbers [05:20] could we make it the christmas edition too? [05:20] sweet [05:20] Burgundavia: well, I can't use 0.8.6+release, because I don't know if Sam is going to retain his current versioning scheme [05:20] jdong: http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:7JFjTtYWLwkJ:workshop.linspire.com/package-version-policy.html+linspire+version+numbers&hl=en&gl=ca&ct=clnk&cd=1 [05:20] 2:1:1.0-0.0.2003.10.23-2-9.4.1. <-- one of the examples [05:21] Burgundavia: holy..... [05:21] those look like my original satirical backport version numbers [05:21] found that awhile back, page seems to be down now, but google cache saves us [05:21] read the FAQ, question 1 [05:22] 1:2.3.4-2ubuntu3~backported-from-5.04hoary-to-4.10warty-1 [05:22] :) [05:22] the version number for the firefox 1.0 backport was so long that Java segfaulted trying to parse the version [05:23] ah, yes, backports [05:23] the bad old days [05:23] jdong: a shining example of how to work with the system [05:23] :) [05:23] it could've started working with the system... [05:23] but nobody would listen [05:23] oh well [05:23] la la la la [05:23] at least we're all one happy family now :) [05:24] but seriously, crimsun, can we please make vlc 0.8.6 the christmas edition? :D [05:24]