[01:02] <ajmitch> hi imbrandon 
[01:02] <ajmitch> what's up?
[01:02] <imbrandon> nadda
[01:02] <imbrandon> sitting bored
[01:02] <imbrandon> staring at irc
[01:02] <imbrandon> sftping some files to the new box
[01:02] <imbrandon> :)
[01:02] <imbrandon> you?
[01:03] <ajmitch> just had lunch
[01:03] <imbrandon> hehe me 3
[01:03] <ajmitch> now back at work
[01:03] <ajmitch> for more fun times
[01:03] <imbrandon> yea i'm on the 12 to 12 shift atm
[01:03] <imbrandon> bored out of my mind atm at work , nothing happens on a sunday night here
[01:04] <imbrandon> i;'m litterly the only person in the building
[01:04] <imbrandon> with 6 more hours
[01:04] <imbrandon> so i've been setting up pbuilders on the new colo box
[01:05] <imbrandon> thinking about tomarrow i might put my apple lappy in the rack too as a ppc buildd
[01:05] <imbrandon> maybe
[01:05] <ajmitch> heh
[01:05] <ajmitch> what's the new colo box?
[01:05] <ajmitch> something we can play on?
[01:05] <imbrandon> eventualy, right now i only have my account on their but it will be a build server for us
[01:06] <ajmitch> ok
[01:06] <imbrandon> its sitting on a FAT pipe at work, with no limmits on bandwitch etc and a 100Mb/s connection
[01:06] <ajmitch> my ssh key is on launchpad :)
[01:06] <imbrandon> but hopefully over the next day or two i'll have it all ready for the "public"
[01:06] <imbrandon> :)
[01:07] <imbrandon> and actualy if it had a gigbit card i would have 1000Mb/s connection, e.g. the employee rack is unmetered and tied driectly to the trunk
[01:07] <imbrandon> heh
[01:07] <ajmitch> not that you really need it for building stuff
[01:08] <imbrandon> right right, but i'll eventualy put imbrandon.com their too ( probably not on that particualr box though )
[01:08] <ajmitch> you expect to saturate 100Mbps?
[01:08] <ajmitch> I'd be impressed
[01:08] <imbrandon> and it at the moment has 368GB free hdd space on LVM so i can add more HDD's too if needed
[01:09] <imbrandon> nah , but i like to have extra :)
[01:09] <imbrandon> i doubt we'll even come close
[01:09] <imbrandon> except maybe in a burst or something
[01:09] <imbrandon> for a single download
[01:09] <imbrandon> etc
[01:09] <ajmitch> like if you hosted an ubuntu mirror there around release time
[01:10] <imbrandon> right, there is actualty already a full ubuntu mirror the company runs on the lan ( and publicly ) so i dident see a need to mirror again
[01:10] <imbrandon> the company public mirror on the same lan is ummm current.gsihosting.com/ubuntu iirc
[01:11] <imbrandon> i have it in the sources.list as the private ip, i think thats the public one
[01:11] <ajmitch> useful
[01:11] <ajmitch> makes building a lot faster
[01:11] <imbrandon> yea
[01:11] <imbrandon> we have ALOT of ubuntu servers so having a lan mirror for updates and new server builds is nice too
[01:12] <imbrandon> but its a full rsyc mirror with all the arches etc too even though we only use x86 and x86_64 in house
[01:13] <imbrandon> ( and a CentOS mirror , ugh )
[01:13] <ajmitch> maybe you can can slip that 1000Mbps card in sometime
[01:13] <imbrandon> hehe yea 
[01:14] <imbrandon> brb
[01:14] <imbrandon> phone
[01:16] <imbrandon> re
[01:17] <ajmitch> so you do shift work there?
[01:17] <imbrandon> yea , well not normaly but someone had a funeral so i'm covering
[01:17] <imbrandon> normaly i work 8am to 4pm M-F
[01:20] <zul> ah sane people's hours
[01:21] <imbrandon> heh
[01:22] <ajmitch> 8am mondays
[01:22] <ajmitch> so you'll be in at 8am tomorrow?
[01:24] <DBO> ping imbrandon =)
[01:25] <imbrandon> pong
[01:25] <zul> imbrandon: btw are you available for some amd64 xen testing on edgy later this week?
[01:25] <DBO> im sorry if Im out of touch with my project right now, just figured Id check with you, did you get the tarballs ok?
[01:25] <imbrandon> zul: yup yup
[01:25] <ajmitch> yay
[01:25] <zul> imbrandon: sweet i think i might have narrowed down the problem
[01:25] <ajmitch> now I don't have to be his testing b..
[01:25] <ajmitch> yeah
[01:26] <imbrandon> DBO: yup got them, they are acutaly building at home right now, have had the chance to look them over a great deal, but it looks tons better than the 0.1.2 release
[01:26] <ajmitch> imbrandon: mesa-less?
[01:26] <imbrandon> ajmitch: yup looks like it 
[01:26] <DBO> imbrandon, we tried to listen to what you said
[01:26] <imbrandon> :)
[01:26] <bddebian> whoa ajmitch is back
[01:26] <imbrandon> DBO: looks like you all did a bang up job comparitively
[01:27] <imbrandon> like i said i still need to poke them a bit more, but i'm not cursing to myself this time ;)
[01:27] <DBO> you might have trouble with heliodor and feisty
[01:27] <DBO> this was an oversite and there will be a 0.1.3.1 release to fix the issue
[01:31] <ajmitch> bddebian: I was back yesterday
[01:31] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well what do I know? :-)
[01:31] <ajmitch> bddebian: it's not like I disappeared for weeks
[01:31] <imbrandon> :)
[01:32] <imbrandon> DBO: ok , i hadent made it that far, i mostly just messed with -core last night i was pretty tired when i got home
[01:33] <DBO> kk
[01:33] <imbrandon> going by my rate of working on them though i'd say tomarrow evening i should have useable debs ready 
[01:33] <imbrandon> for peer review
[01:34] <rmjb> man kobo deluxe is a really good game to pass the time while something's building :)
[01:34] <ajmitch> imbrandon: assuming you get time to work on them without falling asleep
[01:34] <ajmitch> imbrandon: you have an ubuntu workstation at work?
[01:34] <imbrandon> yup , i'm on it now
[01:35] <imbrandon> i'm trying to convince them to change all the XP workstations to kubuntu
[01:35] <imbrandon> :)
[01:35] <imbrandon> the boss uses kubuntu at home , so i MIGHT if i can get it to authenticate by the domain etc
[01:36] <ajmitch> what domain?
[01:36] <ajmitch> AD?
[01:37] <joejaxx> yay domain controllers
[01:38] <joejaxx> hello everyone
[01:40] <bddebian> Speaking of games.  Is there a clean way to have a development version of a package in the archive at the same time as the "stable" branch?
[01:40] <joejaxx> too bad there is not a testing branch
[01:41] <bddebian> joejaxx: No, I'm talking about libparagui atm :-)
[01:41] <joejaxx> bddebian: i meant too bad there is not a testing repos :)
[01:42] <bddebian> Ahh :-)
[01:42] <joejaxx> inside the archive
[01:42] <joejaxx> :)
[01:42] <rmjb> bddebian: can you name the package foo-testing?
[01:42] <rmjb> or foo-svn
[01:43] <bddebian> Well I was thinking more like a different package name.  ie current stable package is libparagui1.0-dev so I was thinking something like libparagui1.1-dev or some such?
[01:43] <imbrandon> ugh hold on a colgate server just lost some disks 
[01:43] <imbrandon> brb
[01:43] <rmjb> colgate server? he'l hosting unilever?
[01:43] <rmjb> well package-dev already has a meaning :)
[01:44] <bddebian> ajmitch: Care to weigh in? :)
[01:44] <rmjb> sorry, read your statement wrong
[01:44] <rmjb> yeah renaming the package should do the trick
[01:44] <bddebian> Yeah but is it "valid"? :-)
[01:45] <rmjb> and have a meta package named libfoo-stable that depends on the libfoo1.0
[01:45] <rmjb> when 1.1 get's stable let it depend on 1,1
[01:45] <rmjb> 1.1
[01:45] <joejaxx> bddebian: what was the release you said to get? etch rc1?
[01:46] <bddebian> joejaxx: I only ever ran unstable but I'm a psycho :-)
[01:46] <joejaxx> well this is fun
[01:46] <joejaxx> triple compiles of gcc
[01:46] <joejaxx> bddebian: haha
[01:46] <joejaxx> :)
[01:46] <bddebian> ajmitch doesn't love me :-(
[01:48] <joejaxx> bddebian: :(
[01:52] <joejaxx> bddebian: where are the unstable images at?
[01:52] <joejaxx> bddebian: they only have links to stable on the site at the current moment
[01:53] <rmjb> hey LaserJock
[01:53] <joejaxx> bddebian: or etch rather
[01:53] <LaserJock> hi everybody
[01:53] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[01:54] <bddebian> joejaxx: Just install stable and change your sources.list :-)
[01:54] <joejaxx> hello LaserJock 
[01:54] <joejaxx> bddebian: oh ok :)
[01:54] <joejaxx> gcc finally finished compiling
[01:54] <joejaxx> lol
[02:07] <sid> Why isn't xvidcap in Ubuntu? istanbul sucks, oggenc sucks up a lot of cpu and is buggy/doesn't work at all.
[02:08] <sid> xvidcap dumps to mpeg-1 and works great, for people who want to make training videos for OpenOffice.org or other applications in Ubuntu to help others learn it..there is no viable option to do this. xvidcap is the answer imho.
[02:09] <LaserJock> sid: it's on REVU
[02:11] <sid> LaserJock: What is Revu?
[02:11] <imbrandon> sid: i means its in the process of making its way into ubuntu
[02:12] <LaserJock> !revu > sid 
[02:12] <imbrandon> heya LaserJock 
[02:13] <sid> Does Ubuntu have a debian-legal process?
[02:13] <sid> Is there a lawyer at Canonical?
[02:13] <sid> LaserJock: Where can I see this package?
[02:14] <LaserJock> sid: no, I believe we rely on debian-legal and the archive admins
[02:15] <LaserJock> Canonical probably has a lawyer
[02:15] <sid> SFLC?
[02:15] <Burgundavia> sid: why do you ask?
[02:15] <LaserJock> but they would probably not be relevent to archive issues
[02:15] <sid> Well xvidcap coveres some mpeg related patents
[02:15] <sid> That's why Debian doesn't package it, iirc
[02:15] <LaserJock> sid: on revu.tauware.de look up xvidcap
[02:15] <sid> But since Ubuntu is in Europe, those patents don't apply.
[02:15] <LaserJock> sid: and that's why it would be in Multiverse
[02:16] <LaserJock> I beleive
[02:16] <imbrandon> sid: yes but we try to follow dfsg when we can, also we have mirrors all over the world
[02:16] <imbrandon> but there is always multiverse too
[03:01] <imbrandon> .
[03:02] <LaserJock> wow, impressive
[03:02] <imbrandon> heh
[03:02] <imbrandon> heya LaserJock 
[03:02] <imbrandon> do you have a deb of usable mdt>?
[03:03] <imbrandon> wasent there a patch or something for it
[03:03] <LaserJock> yeah
[03:03] <imbrandon> still have that deb or dsc laying arroun d?
[03:03] <LaserJock> hmm, let me see
[03:09] <LaserJock> imbrandon: yeah, I found it
[03:09] <imbrandon> rockin
[03:09] <LaserJock> bzr branch at tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/multidistrotools/
[03:09] <imbrandon> nice , thanks
[03:21] <zul> hey LaserJock 
[03:21] <engla> whoa what a technology shift jdong 
[03:22] <jdong> lol
[03:22] <LaserJock> hi zul 
[03:23] <LaserJock> it's amazing how quickly stuff gets around on the internet :/
[03:25] <zul> LaserJock: good weekend?
[03:25] <jdong> would using a tar filelist and comm per snapshot be a sane idea?
[03:25] <jdong> never mind :)
[03:25] <jdong> that'd be a hackjob to implement
[03:25] <jdong> grr
[03:25] <LaserJock> zul: a guy made a science "apt-get" script like a month ago and called it Scibuntu
[03:26] <LaserJock> now it's it has a mention in one of the 2 top science journals in the world and a sourceforge site
[03:26] <zul> not bad..
[03:26] <zul> or is it?
[03:26] <LaserJock> I think it is
[03:27] <LaserJock> but yah know, it's FLOSS
[03:27] <LaserJock> the release I saw had typos on the package names so it wasn't even installing what he thought it was
[03:28] <zul> hah
[03:28] <LaserJock> and now he has claim over both "Scibuntu" and "Linux for Scientists"
[03:28] <bddebian> You snooze, you loose baby :-)
[03:28] <LaserJock> well, *I* didn't want it
[03:28] <LaserJock> but I think it should go to the community
[03:29] <LaserJock> ah well
[03:29] <LaserJock> but the Journal mention was too much
[03:29] <bddebian> :-)
[03:29] <LaserJock> most grad students would kill to be in that journal
[03:30] <LaserJock> oh well
[03:30] <LaserJock> mush!
[03:31] <bddebian> For what?  You don't need me anymore :'-(
[03:31] <LaserJock> hah
[03:31] <LaserJock> bddebian: http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/bugs.html
[03:32] <LaserJock> "MOTU Science wants YOU!"
[03:32] <bddebian> Grr...
[03:32] <bddebian> W: libparagui1.1: unused-shlib-entry-in-control-file libparagui-1.1 0
[03:32] <bddebian> W: libparagui1.1: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libparagui-1.1-8
[03:34] <bddebian> I hate library packages :-(
[03:34] <zul> heh "baby is jumping on body parts that shouldnt be jumped on"
[03:36] <bddebian> They have a knack for doing that
[03:41] <imbrandon> lol
[03:45] <bddebian> How the hell do I fix those errors?
[03:50] <LaserJock> is that lintian output?
[03:52] <bddebian> Yeah, lintian or linda
[03:52] <crimsun> imbrandon: got an amd64/feisty chroot?
[03:52] <crimsun> a reasonably current one, that is
[03:54] <bddebian> crimsun: Do you know what I need to do for those?  I'm not real hip on libs
[03:55] <ajmitch> get the SONAME, make things match exactly
[03:56] <LaserJock> crimsun, ajmitch: hi!
[03:56] <bddebian> ajmitch: I know but how?
[03:56] <crimsun> hi
[03:56] <ajmitch> objdump -x lib |grep SONAME
[03:56] <ajmitch> hey LaserJock 
[03:56] <ajmitch> what's up?
[04:05] <imbrandon> crimsun: no the only feist install i have is 32bit
[04:05] <imbrandon> :(
[04:05] <imbrandon> feisty*
[04:05] <ajmitch> crimsun: you want one on my box?
[04:05] <bddebian> ajmitch: afaict they do match :-(
[04:06] <LaserJock> ajmitch: just grabing a little dinner and looking at some stuff
[04:06] <ajmitch> crimsun: just unpacking it now, I'll do a quick dist-upgrade of a chroot
[04:06] <crimsun> ajmitch: yes, please, thanks.
[04:06] <ajmitch> afaik you still have an ssh key on my box
[04:11] <joejaxx> anyone know of a good ide that is like codeblocks?
[04:11] <bddebian> VisualStudio?
[04:11] <joejaxx> rofl
[04:12] <ajmitch> crimsun: should be ready in a couple of minutes
[04:13] <ajmitch> done
[04:13] <bddebian> ajmitch:   SONAME      libparagui-1.1.so.8  so should shlibs be libparagui-1.1 8 foo ?
[04:13] <ajmitch> no
[04:15] <ajmitch> see debian library packaging guide
[04:15] <joejaxx> wow apparently glibc not compiling is an error in the source
[04:16] <joejaxx> ls
[04:16] <joejaxx> bah
[04:22] <bddebian> Gah this makes no freakin' sense
[04:23] <bddebian> Oohh, it should be libparagui-1.1.8.so.0 ?
[04:35] <bddebian> ajmitch: Does that mean I have to fix the soname in the src?
[04:39] <ajmitch> do what you need to do
[04:39] <bddebian> Never mind then thanks
[04:42] <joejaxx> sudo ln -s /bin/bash /bin/sh?
[04:42] <joejaxx> is that the fix?
[04:42] <imbrandon> looks like the MBR 2TB limit is the main drawback but thats simple to get arround
[04:42] <LaserJock> wah?
[04:43] <imbrandon> errm
[04:43] <imbrandon> _EWRONGWINDOW
[04:43] <imbrandon> s/_E/-E/
[04:43] <LaserJock> joejaxx: you should fix scripts to either not us bashisms or #! /bin/bash
[04:43] <joejaxx> LaserJock: is that the fix for the sh-dash issue
[04:43] <imbrandon> no joejaxx 
[04:44] <imbrandon> the fix is to fix the scripts that use bash but call sh
[04:44] <LaserJock> no, that circumvents the problems
[04:44] <joejaxx> well
[04:44] <LaserJock> but it's not the proper "fix"
[04:44] <joejaxx> i am compilin glibc
[04:44] <joejaxx> compiling*
[04:45] <joejaxx> ln: creating symbolic link `/bin/sh' to `/bin/bash': File exists
[04:47] <imbrandon> ln -sf
[04:47] <imbrandon> e.g. "force" it, but thats the broken way to fix it
[04:48] <bddebian> Grr
[04:48] <LaserJock> joejaxx: I fail to see what you're doing. glibc has obviously compiled on a dash Ubuntu
[04:49] <LaserJock> is this your "old world" experiment? :-)
[04:49] <joejaxx> nope
[04:49] <joejaxx> an entire operating system from the ground up
[04:49] <LaserJock> LFS?
[04:50] <bddebian> LaserJock: C'mon oh Godly one, help me here :-)
[04:50] <joejaxx> LaserJock: that and completely written from scratch
[04:52] <joejaxx> asm and c
[04:52] <bddebian> scary
[04:53] <joejaxx> why scary?
[04:54] <bddebian> asm frightens me :)
[04:54] <joejaxx> oh
[04:56] <LaserJock> dude, I can barely do C++ and Python
[04:56] <imbrandon> peek poke pop push
[04:56] <bddebian> C++ is second only to asm in the frightening category ;-P
[04:56] <LaserJock> really?
[04:56] <joejaxx> lloll
[04:56] <joejaxx> what about ada
[04:57] <joejaxx> or lisp
[04:57] <LaserJock> it doesn't seem all that bad, but I haven't done much with it yet
[04:57] <bddebian> LaserJock: For me.  For some reason C++ makes my head hurt
[04:58] <bddebian> imbrandon: How much do you know about library packaging?
[04:59] <LaserJock> darn it, I hate it how Ubuntu creates the extended partition to be the same size as logical partitions
[04:59] <bddebian> heh
[05:00] <jdong> cast the following function pointer to return int and take two voids and a struct foo*.....
[05:00] <jdong> :D
[05:00] <bddebian> heh
[05:00] <jdong> ok, help me think thru this one...
[05:01] <jdong> how bad is it to have deleted files magically pop back up after restoring a backup?
[05:01] <jdong> I really don't feel like complicating my differential tar backups any more
[05:02] <joejaxx> ajmitch: LaserJock imbrandon i need a way to diable agilx through the default-settings-packages
[05:02] <joejaxx> any ideas on that one?
[05:02] <Burgundavia> why do you want to disable aiglx?
[05:02] <joejaxx> because we cannot use it anyway
[05:02] <Burgundavia> leave it
[05:02] <Burgundavia> it does nothing if you don't do anything with it
[05:03] <joejaxx> i do not want it enabled by default on fluxbuntu feisty
[05:03] <joejaxx> there was something else that crimsun told me i needed to change
[05:03] <LaserJock> that seems pretty invasive
[05:03] <joejaxx> what is invasive?
[05:04] <Burgundavia> changed default X settings is something no other deriv does
[05:04] <ajmitch> screwing up X config like that
[05:04] <Burgundavia> in fact, they stay from changing stuff beneath "their stack"
[05:04] <Burgundavia> it also means that you double the X debuggers work
[05:04] <joejaxx> which derivatives are you talking about?
[05:04] <Burgundavia> as they need to figure out whether aiglx has been enabled our not
[05:04] <Burgundavia> kubuntu, xubuntu and edubuntu
[05:05] <joejaxx> oh those
[05:05] <joejaxx> i was thinking derivatives in general
[05:05] <imbrandon> nubuntu dosent either ( and is fluxbased )
[05:06] <joejaxx> yes i know
[05:06] <Burgundavia> as a derivative, you want to change as little as possible
[05:06] <Burgundavia> as every change involves more work
[05:06] <Burgundavia> something I think few people realize, when they are start making distros and derivs
[05:06] <joejaxx> Burgundavia: you the project is not just about fluxbox?
[05:07] <Burgundavia> joejaxx: yours?
[05:07] <ajmitch> it's not like having AIGLX turned on in the X config should cause any issues
[05:07] <joejaxx> yes
[05:07] <Burgundavia> what else does it encompase?
[05:07] <joejaxx> fluxbox is the last thing i care about in the project really
[05:07] <Burgundavia> interesting...
[05:07] <LaserJock> joejaxx: it's not that, it's that you are making changes to core packages for no obvious benefit
[05:08] <joejaxx> Burgundavia: providing a desktop os for low end (and high end computer) and mobile devices
[05:08] <Burgundavia> right, that is a totally different goal
[05:08] <joejaxx> that is the main goal
[05:08] <Burgundavia> and aiglx doesn't get in the way of any of that
[05:09] <ajmitch> AIGLX exposes extra capabilities, it doesn't cause things to magically change
[05:09] <ajmitch> the magic changes are when you using a compositing manager 
[05:09] <LaserJock> can you resize a mounted ext3 extended partition?
[05:09] <joejaxx> what else was changed in x from dapper to edgy?
[05:09] <LaserJock> well, it's a whole new upstream release
[05:10] <Burgundavia> joejaxx: suggest you start digging into X release notes
[05:10] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: 
[05:10] <joejaxx> LaserJock: maybe that is why my video does not come back in edgy when i close my laptop
[05:11] <joejaxx> and i end up having to kill xserv
[05:11] <Burgundavia> doubt it
[05:11] <ajmitch> so fix the problems, rather than trying to hack around the symptoms
[05:11] <Burgundavia> that is failure on resume, a completely seperate ball of wax
[05:11] <ademan> joejaxx: did you install new nvidia drivers?
[05:11] <joejaxx> no
[05:11] <ademan> ok
[05:11] <ademan> cause apparently they;ve got trouble resizing...
[05:11] <joejaxx> Burgundavia: not resume
[05:12] <ademan> hey you know i was wondering what exactly it means to be a motu, you just become the package maintainer for a few packages? or what?
[05:12] <joejaxx> my laptop is still running while the lid is closed
[05:13] <LaserJock> ademan: you maintain Universe and have upload rights to it
[05:13] <ademan> does it mean you don't have to go through revu for new packages?
[05:13] <bddebian> No
[05:13] <ademan> oh ok lol
[05:13] <jdong> LaserJock: you can expand an online mounted ext3 filesystem if you've reserved resize inodes
[05:14] <jdong> LaserJock: if resize2fs refuses to grow an online fs that means no resize inodes were reserved
[05:14] <jdong> (wow that sounds circular :D)
[05:14] <ademan> well sometime in the next 6 months i may have a game, or at least a game engine + small example game ready for the repos, course, who knows if i'll make my own deadline
[05:14] <jdong> LaserJock: unfortunately I don't think ubuntu's installer makes ext3 with reserved inodes
[05:14] <jdong> but there is good news
[05:14] <jdong> I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance
[05:16] <LaserJock> well, I don't want resize the logical partition
[05:17] <LaserJock> just the extended partition
[05:17] <jdong> what are you trying to do?
[05:18] <LaserJock> well during the Ubuntu install the stupid partitioner only made the extended partition /dev/hdb4 as large as the logical partition it contains
[05:18] <crimsun> goodness, what a nasty version: 0.8.6-svn20061210.release.ubuntu-0ubuntu1
[05:19] <Burgundavia> crimsun: last vlc is not much better
[05:19] <Burgundavia> 0.8.6-svn20060918.debian-1ubuntu4
[05:19] <jdong> lol
[05:20] <jdong> let's add some more numbers
[05:20] <jdong> could we make it the christmas edition too?
[05:20] <bddebian> sweet
[05:20] <crimsun> Burgundavia: well, I can't use 0.8.6+release, because I don't know if Sam is going to retain his current versioning scheme
[05:20] <Burgundavia> jdong: http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:7JFjTtYWLwkJ:workshop.linspire.com/package-version-policy.html+linspire+version+numbers&hl=en&gl=ca&ct=clnk&cd=1
[05:20] <Burgundavia> 2:1:1.0-0.0.2003.10.23-2-9.4.1. <-- one of the examples
[05:21] <jdong> Burgundavia: holy.....
[05:21] <jdong> those look like my original satirical backport version numbers
[05:21] <Burgundavia> found that awhile back, page seems to be down now, but google cache saves us
[05:21] <Burgundavia> read the FAQ, question 1
[05:22] <jdong> 1:2.3.4-2ubuntu3~backported-from-5.04hoary-to-4.10warty-1
[05:22] <jdong> :)
[05:22] <jdong> the version number for the firefox 1.0 backport was so long that Java segfaulted trying to parse the version
[05:23] <Burgundavia> ah, yes, backports
[05:23] <Burgundavia> the bad old days
[05:23] <Burgundavia> jdong: a shining example of how to work with the system
[05:23] <jdong> :)
[05:23] <jdong> it could've started working with the system...
[05:23] <jdong> but nobody would listen
[05:23] <jdong> oh well
[05:23] <bddebian> la la la la
[05:23] <jdong> at least we're all one happy family now :)
[05:24] <jdong> but seriously, crimsun, can we please make vlc 0.8.6 the christmas edition? :D
[05:24] <crimsun> is that a reference to the Ubuntu Christmas Edition?
[05:24] <jdong> no
[05:25] <jdong> there's a christmas edition now?
[05:25] <jdong> isn't that other religious edition enough?
[05:25] <crimsun> the grapevine tells me that someone released a Christmas Edition
[05:25] <jdong> lol
[05:25] <Burgundavia> anybody who wants a final spell/grammar check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue24
[05:25] <jdong> fascinating
[05:25] <ajmitch> aka ubuntu+automatix
[05:25] <crimsun> basically a remastered Ubuntu CD with lots of crack
[05:25] <jdong> ajmitch: isn't that the doomsday edition?
[05:26] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: hard to pick a few good programs to mention in this weeks merges?
[05:26] <bddebian> crimsun: Come on man, help a dumb brother out..
[05:27] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: this was actually not this weeks, but lasts
[05:27] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: right
[05:27] <Burgundavia> now we get to start writing this weeks
[05:27] <ajmitch> time for me to get on top of the rest of the merges I have to do
[05:28] <crimsun> Burgundavia: editing
[05:30] <somerville32> crimsun, Fix the typo for "sneak peck" too
[05:30] <crimsun> got it
[05:43] <jdong> cool! there's a quiz show in my bashrc!
[05:47] <bddebian> cool! No one wants to help me
[05:49] <LaserJock> use the force bddebian 
[05:49] <jdong> bddebian: I'm too busy being forced against my will to answer to corny nerd jokes
[05:49] <LaserJock> did you look at the library guide?
[05:49] <bddebian> Yeah
[05:49] <LaserJock> hmm
[05:50] <LaserJock> I'm just not very good with libraries, definately worse then you
[05:50] <LaserJock> still getting the same 2 errors?
[05:53] <bddebian> Yeah
[06:04] <imbrandon> runs
[06:04] <imbrandon> man i'm soooo ready to go home and to bed 12 hour shifts suck
[06:04] <ajmitch> hah
[06:05] <ajmitch> when does it finish?
[06:05] <imbrandon> 1 more hour
[06:05] <ajmitch> fun
[06:05] <imbrandon> actualy 55 minutes ;)
[06:05] <imbrandon> hehehe
[06:05] <imbrandon> then an hour drive home
[06:06] <ajmitch> since I decided that it'd be better to work from home tonight than sit in the office
[06:06] <imbrandon> :)
[06:06] <imbrandon> yea
[06:06] <ajmitch> sit at my ubuntu box with nice screen, listen to music, etc
[06:06] <imbrandon> if they would open the firewall for me to connect to the sip phone server from home i could work from home everyday
[06:06] <imbrandon> well i'm the only one here so i have the tunes cranked
[06:07] <imbrandon> i need to find a better way to get at my home music though
[06:07] <imbrandon> i'm streaming it over http now with a webbrowser
[06:07] <imbrandon> that sucks
[06:07] <bddebian> Ever heard of a Radio? ;-P
[06:07] <imbrandon> am radio
[06:07] <imbrandon> heh radio sucks here
[06:08] <imbrandon> well everywhere really
[06:08] <bddebian> iPod, cd-player... :-)
[06:08] <imbrandon> they never play what i wanna hear
[06:08] <imbrandon> i have my ipod with me
[06:08] <imbrandon> but it only holds 4GB
[06:08] <imbrandon> :(
[06:08] <jdong> ONLY 4GB?
[06:08] <jdong> I cannot fill up my 2GB nano(s)
[06:08] <imbrandon> jdong: i have over 200GB of music :)
[06:08] <jdong> imbrandon: yer crazy :D
[06:09] <imbrandon> thats not counting movies, or music videos
[06:09] <imbrandon> thats audio only
[06:09] <ajmitch> yeah, but with what you listen to..
[06:09] <jdong> anyone have a good howto on the echo gibberish | dc trick?
[06:09] <jdong> this stupid bashrc blackmail is only accepting dc gibberish at this point
[06:09] <imbrandon> ajmitch: lol
[06:10] <imbrandon> i listen to a little of everything
[06:11] <imbrandon> somtimes i listen to a lastfm streeam or something, but i like picking and choosing what plays next
[06:12] <ajmitch> this one is pretty good
[06:12] <imbrandon> depending on my mood fopr the moment
[06:12] <ajmitch> if you like that sort of music :)
[06:12] <imbrandon> never heard any coral music that i know of 
[06:12] <Burgundavia> choral, rather
[06:12] <imbrandon> yea
[06:13] <Burgundavia> unles you mean grinding pieces of dead animal together as "music"
[06:13] <imbrandon> lol
 harr, did somebody say grinding?
[06:13] <LaserJock> ajmitch: what is it?
[06:14] <somerville32> Is "" a skull?
[06:14] <imbrandon> looks like a box to me ( in irssi )
[06:14] <lotusleaf> somerville32: yes it is =)
[06:14] <ajmitch> LaserJock: hm?
[06:14] <LaserJock> imbrandon: you're clearly not using the right irssi settings
[06:14] <Burgundavia> I see a skull
[06:14] <Burgundavia> yarrr
[06:15] <LaserJock> ajmitch: is there a link for the choral music
[06:15] <ajmitch> LaserJock: http://www.live365.com/stations/vocideltesoro
[06:15] <Burgundavia> anybody remember yarrr?
[06:15] <ajmitch> not really
[06:16] <ajmitch> I remember the little skull & crossbones on the wiki
[06:16] <ajmitch> http://live.gnome.org/%E2%98%A0?action=show&redirect=Yarrr
[06:16] <ajmitch> not too hard to find
[06:18] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee 
[06:18] <imbrandon> LaserJock: lol
[06:18] <imbrandon> one sec
[06:18] <Burgundavia> it was live for a while
[06:18] <LaserJock> ajmitch: what do you listen to it with?
[06:18] <Burgundavia> basically RHs last crack idea, before they started Mugshot
[06:19] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch 
[06:19] <ajmitch> LaserJock: anything that can take a .pls, like rhythmbox
[06:19] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: I was thinking maybe it was a Novell project ;-)
[06:19] <ajmitch> or even old xmms would do
[06:20] <LaserJock> hmm, it doesn't play for me
[06:20] <LaserJock> it fires up rhythmbox but nothing's there
[06:21] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[06:21] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian 
[06:21] <Burgundavia> .pls works for me
[06:21] <Burgundavia> listening to one right now
[06:21] <ajmitch> it worked for me in rb, but stuttered sometimes because I couldn't adjust the cache size
[06:21] <bddebian> Hobbsee: How's your library packaging foo? :-)
[06:21] <Hobbsee> bddebian: very poor
[06:21] <Burgundavia> bddebian: bug infinity
[06:21] <bddebian> Goddamnit :-(
[06:22] <Hobbsee> bddebian: i'ee seen there's a guide though
[06:22] <bddebian> Oh yeah, he loves me :-)
[06:22] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Yeah,, I've read it :-)
[06:22] <ajmitch> yes, there certainly is a guide
[06:22] <bddebian> Actually I've read it once before and twice tonight
[06:23] <ajmitch> and the naming is still confusing you?
[06:23] <imbrandon> LaserJock: http://voyager.imbrandon.com/misc/work_desktop.png , see a "box" not a skull in irssi
[06:23] <bddebian> Only because I don't see why it's wrong the way it is
[06:23] <ajmitch> well what is the package name, and what is the SONAME?
[06:25] <bddebian>   SONAME      libparagui-1.1.so.8  package name is libparagui1.1
[06:25] <ajmitch> so they don't match
[06:25] <ajmitch> the packaging guide suggests something like libparagui1.1-8 in that case
[06:25] <bddebian> WHy the hell not?  libparagui1.0 has libparagui-1.0.so.0
[06:26] <ajmitch> because you're packaging something screwy
[06:27] <bddebian> Meaning the existing package is probably incorrect as well?
[06:27] <LaserJock> imbrandon: yes, you get that when irssi isn't set up with UTF-8 support
[06:27] <ajmitch> maybe
[06:27] <ajmitch> take gtk+ as an example
[06:27] <ajmitch>   SONAME      libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
[06:27] <ajmitch> package is libgtk2.0-0
[06:28] <ajmitch> that's slightly special because it has multiple libraries, but you get the picture for versioning
[06:29] <bddebian> Right but then should the upstream soname here be libparagui-1.1.8.so.0 then?
[06:29] <ajmitch> the .8 in the SONAME is significant
[06:29] <ajmitch> not necessarily
[06:29] <ajmitch> 1.1 is the code version, .8 being the ABI version
[06:29] <ajmitch> just to be confusing
[06:29] <ajmitch> however I'm probably completely wrong, and you can probably ignore me
[06:30] <bddebian> SONAME	package name
[06:30] <bddebian> libfoo-1.2.3.so.4	libfoo-1.2.3-4
[06:30] <bddebian> libfoo-1.2.3.so	libfoo-1.2.3
[06:30] <ajmitch> yeah
[06:30] <bddebian> That is from the packaging guide
[06:30] <ajmitch> and you have libfoo-x.y.so.8
[06:30] <ajmitch> so package is libfoo-x.y-8
[06:30] <bddebian> Right, which I'm saying is probably wrong upstream?
[06:31] <ajmitch> maybe
[06:31] <bddebian> So if I just change changelog to (1.1-8ubuntu1) I might be able to get away with it?
[06:31] <ajmitch> it's probablu fine upstream, they're at least using an ABI version not linked to the upstream version number
[06:31] <ajmitch> huh?
[06:32] <ajmitch> where did you pull that version from?
[06:32] <ajmitch> what is the actual upstream version?
[06:32] <bddebian> How else do I fix it?  1.1.8
[06:33] <imbrandon> LaserJock: heh
[06:34] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I can give you my settings if you want
[06:34] <ajmitch> so if upstream version is 1.1.8, you have to use 1.1.8-XubuntuY in the changelog
[06:34] <ajmitch> tending to be -0ubuntu1, as usual
[06:35] <bddebian> Which is what I have currently
[06:35] <mneptok> XubuntuY sounds like someone is trying XFCE and spitting.
[06:36] <ajmitch> but it's not complaining about the version number, but the naming
[06:36] <bddebian> Are you just saying the package name should be libparagui1.1-8?
[06:36] <ajmitch> yes, I've said that a few times
[06:36] <bddebian> Gah, damn I'm slow
[06:36] <bddebian> Though I must say I've never seen a package named that way that I can think of off the top of my head
[06:37] <ajmitch> I just gave you an example (gtk+)
[06:37] <ajmitch> +libparagui-1.1 8 libparagui1.1-8 (>= 1.1.8)
[06:37] <ajmitch> NB: I just googled & found someone's packaging of 1.1.8
[06:37] <bddebian> I asked you that ages ago and you said no
[06:38] <ajmitch> partly because they haven't used the libparagui1.1-8 naming
[06:38] <ajmitch> as I said, I'm probably wrong, don't bother asking me
[06:39] <bddebian> OK.  Last question.  In debian/control, the actual package name should be libparagui1.1-8  and libparagui1.1-8-dev?
[06:39] <ajmitch> don't need to have the -8 in a -dev package
[06:39] <ajmitch> you can probably do it if you want
[06:39] <bddebian> OK, fair enough, thanks man, sorry
[06:40] <ajmitch> worst I've done was multiple libraries in a package, with libfoo.so.3.0 as SONAME, not .3
[06:41] <ajmitch> have people just stopped posting now that it's moderated?
[06:41] <bddebian> Shit, it's almost 1am
[06:42] <imbrandon> i havent taken the time to yet
[06:42] <imbrandon> i need to
[06:42] <imbrandon> i do
[06:42] <ajmitch> imbrandon: it'll be the place for the boring, looong threads
[06:42] <imbrandon> :)
[06:42] <imbrandon> one of a few
[06:42] <ajmitch> so that we can actually have a usable -devel
[06:42] <imbrandon> yea
[06:42] <imbrandon> i seen mdz's mail about it a few days ago
[06:42] <imbrandon> i just havent done it yet
[06:43] <imbrandon> done it == wsubscribed
[06:43] <imbrandon> s/w///
[06:43] <ajmitch> I guess that most people won't read devel-announce though
[06:43] <imbrandon> i thought he sent it to -devel too 
[06:43] <imbrandon> i might be wrong
[06:43] <ajmitch> possibly
[06:44] <ajmitch> ah, he did
[06:44] <bddebian> I seem MoM is still out of date :-(
[06:44] <ajmitch> yep, annoying
[06:45] <imbrandon> woot 15 more minutes 
[06:45] <imbrandon> ok i'm gonna start shutting down, see yall in about an hour when i get home
[06:45] <bddebian> Later imbrandon
[06:45] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: basically, yes, although there were 200 unmoderated messages before the change
[06:45] <Burgundavia> most of those were spam, but some of their will real messages
[06:46] <Burgundavia> them were, rather
[06:48] <ajmitch> ah, forums
[06:48] <ajmitch> great place to relax & laugh
[06:55] <lotusleaf> has anyone here used bootcd (!bootcd for info) to make their own livecd? I was thinking of doing that to show off beryl on ubuntu to some friends
[06:57] <bddebian> w000t
[06:58] <bddebian> Gnight gang
[07:10] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, i'm not sure where to ask this questions I want to make a wiki page to track all the work I do (for Ubuntu membership) and I've looked for a while but can't find a guide
[07:15] <LaserJock> Admiral_Chicago: generally we do that at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirstnameLastename
[07:17] <Admiral_Chicago> LaserJock, thanks that's what I wanted to do.
[07:30] <somerville32> tsk tsk LaserJock :P
[08:01] <imbrandon> re
[08:01] <Admiral_Chicago> ?
[08:04] <Burgundavia> somerville32: -devel moderation appears to be happening right now
[08:04] <somerville32> Hmm?
[08:05] <Burgundavia> your main inclusion report just came through
[08:05] <somerville32> Oh, cool :] 
[08:05] <somerville32> Who approved it?
[08:05] <Burgundavia> not approved, passed through moderation
[08:05] <Admiral_Chicago> can someone tell me if this is a good start for a wiki for Membership?
[08:05] <Admiral_Chicago> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreddyMartinez
[08:06] <Burgundavia> I assume one of the canonical admins
[08:06] <Admiral_Chicago> i know this channel isn't really for this stuff, just not sure where these ??s go
[08:06] <Admiral_Chicago> Burgundavia, thanks, brb
[08:06] <Burgundavia> Admiral_Chicago: looks good
[08:06] <Burgundavia> Admiral_Chicago: sorry, that wasn't directed at you
[08:06] <Burgundavia> the canonical admin comment, that is
[08:06] <Admiral_Chicago> kk
[08:07] <Burgundavia> Admiral_Chicago: join me -marketing?
[08:35] <imbrandon> ugh something else to "fix" because of icewaezle
[08:35] <imbrandon> Setting up sun-java5-plugin (1.5.0-10-0ubuntu1) ...
[08:35] <imbrandon> update-alternatives: unable to make /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/libjavaplugin.so.dpkg-tmp a symlink to /etc/alternatives/iceweasel-javaplugin.so: No such file or directory
[08:35] <imbrandon> dpkg: error processing sun-java5-plugin (--configure):
[08:38] <crimsun> imbrandon: there's already a sync request for that.
[08:38] <imbrandon> ahh nice ok
[08:38] <imbrandon> thanks crimsun i was just looking
[08:39] <imbrandon> wouldent a sync still be broken though ?
[08:39] <imbrandon> e.g still use iceweazle 
[08:40] <Burgundavia> yay for debian and mozilla stupidness
[08:51] <imbrandon> welp i'm off to sleepy yall
[08:51] <imbrandon> see ya in a few hours
[08:51] <imbrandon> gnight Burgundavia crimsun ajmitch 
[08:51] <Burgundavia> night imbrandon
[08:51] <crimsun> 'night
[09:55] <zakame> hi all
[09:56] <dholbach> good morning
[09:57] <zakame> hello prince dholbach :)
[09:57] <Gloubiboulga> morning dholbach, morning zakame 
[09:57] <dholbach> haha zakame - hey Gloubiboulga :)
[09:57] <zakame> yo Gloubiboulga 
[09:59] <ajmitch> hey dholbach, *
[10:00] <dholbach> hey Andrew
[10:00] <dholbach> how's it going guys?
[10:02] <zakame> hello ajmitch 
[10:02] <ajmitch> hey zakame 
[10:02] <ajmitch> dholbach: how goes world domination?
[10:03] <dholbach> ajmitch: ROAR! Good, how else? ;-)
[10:03] <ajmitch> excellent :)
[10:09] <lfittl> who do I ask again when I need a failed build to be tried again?
[10:09] <Fujitsu> lfittl: infinity or similar.
[10:10] <lfittl> thanks
[10:24] <AnAnt> hello
[10:24] <superm1> hey guys, whats the "proper" way to handle if a package should be "replacing" a config file in /etc.  Say you want that package to divert the old one, and install its own.  Should it just be to dpkg-divert on a preinstall script, install its own and then undo the dpkg-divert afterwords in a postrm?
[10:25] <AnAnt> what should compat, Standards-Version, debhelper versions be when making a new package for Feisty ?
[10:26] <Fujitsu> AnAnt: 5, 3.7.2, 5
[10:26] <superm1> i think 5, 3.7.2 5
[10:26] <AnAnt> ok
[10:26] <AnAnt> thanks
[10:46] <Gloubiboulga> why the hell autotools.mk doesn't want to run ./configure for this package???
[10:48] <Fujitsu> Iiiinteresting...
[10:48] <somerville32> dholbach, The MOTU school should hold a session on the new python policy and how to comply with it <g>
[10:49] <dholbach> somerville32: are you volunteering?
[10:50] <somerville32> Not at all. I'm looking to benefit from such a lecture <g>
[10:50] <dholbach> :)
[10:50] <somerville32> :] 
[10:51] <somerville32> Welps, I need some sleep
[10:51] <somerville32> It is now almost 6am
[10:52] <zakame> hm 12-h difference here, almost nightfall :D
[10:52] <zakame> time to partei!
[10:53] <Gloubiboulga> s/partei/fix bugs ;)
[10:53] <zakame> can't fix bugs while partying? :P
[10:54] <Gloubiboulga> hehe :)
[10:54] <somerville32> It's always a party here in Ubuntuland
[10:55] <somerville32> Gloubiboulga, How much time weekly do you devote to Ubuntu?
[10:56] <zakame> 10 days per week?
[10:56] <zakame> err ECHAN
[10:56] <Admiral_Chicago> 10 hours
[10:57] <Gloubiboulga> somerville32: really active time, or include irc? :)
[10:57] <somerville32> I tried to cut back this week and I still ended up with over 50 hours :(
[10:57] <Gloubiboulga> including*
[10:58] <Fujitsu> I got well over what I needed, but a lot less than I expected.
[11:04] <Gloubiboulga> these xfce merges were not as easy as expected :/
[11:04] <zakame> Gloubiboulga: how come?
[11:04] <Gloubiboulga> zakame: different archives in ubuntu and debian
[11:04] <Fujitsu> Fun fun
[11:05] <Gloubiboulga> yep, that's really annoying
[11:08] <zakame> do it for the love ;)
[11:09] <Admiral_Chicago> we get a lot of that in the bug reports "merge this and that package"
[11:09] <Gloubiboulga> :)
[11:09] <Admiral_Chicago> it's really a wishlist thing, I'd change them but i'm not on bug QA, just bug squad
[11:11] <Gloubiboulga> they are usually reported by MOTU hopefuls who try to help
[11:12] <Gloubiboulga> so they are not "real" bugs, but an easy way to say "hey, I've done this, please upload" :)
[11:12] <Admiral_Chicago> Gloubiboulga: no i mean in the bug report, QA team can change the bug report to WL.
[11:12] <Admiral_Chicago> yes i know that
[11:12] <Gloubiboulga> Admiral_Chicago: sure, but is it really usefull?
[11:13] <Admiral_Chicago> yes and no
[11:13] <Gloubiboulga> the bugs are often closed quite quickly
[11:13] <Gloubiboulga> (thanks crimsun ;)
[11:13] <Admiral_Chicago> as a bug report, no. as a system for user feedback on what packages need to be merged, yes
[11:14] <Admiral_Chicago> well off to do my calculus
[11:14] <Admiral_Chicago> Intergral by substitution iirc
[11:15] <Admiral_Chicago> which i don't which is a problem
[11:15] <Admiral_Chicago> intergration by substitution...okay time to do this. later all
[11:18] <zakame> later Admiral_Chicago 
[11:22] <Admiral_Chicago> no way, it looks like the translation for dappen into spanish is almost all done
[11:35] <zakame> hi anibal 
[11:36] <anibal> hi zakame 
[11:59] <Fujitsu> Hm, doesn't seem as bad in this iteration.
[12:02] <Fujitsu> OK, I revoke that previous comment...
[12:02] <Fujitsu> It's even more revolting, yay!
[12:06] <elmargol> Do we have any special autoconf or automake changes on edgy? I try to build gift-ares and ./configure fails :(
[12:07] <azeem> elmargol: are you running autoconf/automake during the build process?
[12:07] <dholbach> elmargol: anything interesting in   config.log  ?
[12:07] <Sp4rKy> siretart: ping
[12:07] <siretart> Sp4rKy: You sent me a contentless ping.  This is a contentless pong.  Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I'll respond when I am around.
[12:08] <elmargol> i just did ./configure
[12:08] <azeem> elmargol: then it shouldn't be dependent on auto*
[12:08] <dholbach> I suggest checking config.log - maybe you're missing build-depends
[12:08] <elmargol> checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs.
[12:09] <elmargol> thats the error message
[12:09] <StevenK> I bet you're missing build-essential, in fact
[12:09] <azeem> do you have build-essential installed?
[12:11] <elmargol> i think i fixed the problem :/
[12:11] <elmargol> The src was on a nfs location :(
[12:37] <guibis> Hi Doko i have received your mail .... i will do it ..
[12:53] <Hobbsee> just dont step on my poor foot
[12:54] <dholbach> what happened?
[12:54] <Hobbsee> massive sunburn
[12:55] <sivang> Hobbsee: you should know better then getting sun burnt!
[12:55] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: that was silly
[12:59] <dholbach> hope you get better soon
[12:59] <ajmitch> yay, now Hobbsee won't be kicking me :)
[12:59] <Hobbsee> sivang: yes....but it was so nice and warm...
[12:59] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i still have one good foot
[12:59] <ajmitch> darn
[12:59] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:59] <sivang> Hobbsee: take care next time, sun is no game, realy.
[01:00] <sivang> anyway, launchtime
[01:00] <Hobbsee> yeah, exactly
[01:00] <Hobbsee> enjoy lunch
[01:03] <proppy> Hobbsee: how can one's foot become sun burnt in winter ?
[01:03] <Hobbsee> proppy: it's summer here - i'm in australia
[01:04] <proppy> Fujitsu: aouch
[01:06] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:07] <fernando> moin all
[01:14] <Hobbsee> hey fernando 
[01:19] <fernando> hey Sarah =)
[01:24] <zul> morning
[01:24] <Hobbsee> hey zul 
[01:24] <zul> hey Hobbsee 
[01:25] <ajmitch> hi zul 
[01:27] <zul> hey
[01:27] <zul> off to work
[02:49] <Admiral_Chicago> ajmitch: sleep if for the weak, and the uncaffinated
[02:50] <ajmitch> Admiral_Chicago: or for those that have to get up for work in ~4 hours
[02:51] <Admiral_Chicago> ajmitch: i have to go to class in 30 minutes, no sleep at all
[02:51] <Admiral_Chicago> :
[02:51] <ajmitch> class is different, you can sleep through it
[02:52] <Admiral_Chicago> ajmitch: i really can't i need to pay attention in some of them. for once that is
[02:59] <zul> ajmitch: slacker
[03:05] <ajmitch> zul: yeah I know
[03:08] <ajmitch> I'll hate myself later in the day, but who cares
[03:24] <divansantana> hi can someone here please help me :)
[03:25] <divansantana> i have to rebuild squid with the --enable-follow-x-forwarded-for optionn
[03:25] <divansantana> I don't know howto do this
[03:25] <divansantana> am trying to apt-get source squid
[03:25] <divansantana> then did a ./configure --enable-follow-x-forwarded-for
[03:26] <divansantana> then how do i make a deb package so can install squid with this option?
[03:26] <divansantana> Pretty please, this is not in my expertise :)
[03:27] <geser> divansantana: look in debian/rules for the configure call and add your option
[03:28] <geser> note: I haven't looked how exactly squid is packaged
[03:30] <divansantana> hi geser:
[03:30] <divansantana> i think I know howto rebuild squid with that option
[03:31] <divansantana> I do a ./configure --enable-follow-x-forwarded-for
[03:31] <divansantana> geser: but then how do make a deb file to install??
[03:33] <geser> when building a deb debian/rules (a Makefile) will be used
[03:33] <geser> this includes also a call to ./configure and overwriting your run
[03:33] <geser> you will need to modify it there if you want a deb
[03:34] <divansantana> do  I do a make after that?
[03:34] <divansantana> is there a website somewhere that will show me how?
[03:35] <geser> debian/rules will do the necessary steps to produce a deb
[03:35] <geser> install the build-depends (apt-get build-dep squid)
[03:35] <geser> modify debian/rules
[03:35] <divansantana> I don't know how to modify that file
[03:35] <divansantana> done apt-get build-dep squid already
[03:36] <divansantana> then I cd'ed into squid-2.6.1
[03:36] <divansantana> and did a ./configure --enable-follow-x-forwarded-for
[03:36] <divansantana> and now?
[03:37] <geser> this doesn't work, debian/rules will call configure again
[03:38] <geser> divansantana: sorry, I've to leave now
[03:39] <divansantana> ok bummer swear its something easy like
[03:39] <divansantana> dpkg-buildpackage 
[03:39] <divansantana> ?
[03:39] <divansantana> o wel :(
[03:39] <geser> yes, it's dpkg-buildpackage -b
[03:39] <geser> but this will run debian/rules
[03:49] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:50] <Gloubiboulga> hello bddebian 
[03:50] <bddebian> Hi Gloubiboulga
[04:03] <sistpoty> hi folks
[04:03] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[04:03] <sistpoty> hi bddebian: 
[04:09] <bddebian> Holy crap is REVU full again.. :-(
[04:09] <sistpoty> yes :/
[04:09] <zul> get busy bddebian 
[04:10] <bddebian> I'm following your lead zul ;-P
[04:10] <zul> cant have bigger fishies to fry
[04:11] <dholbach> sistpoty: Tollef asked me, who to ask if a -backport request would be a better -updates candidate
[04:11] <dholbach> sistpoty: I said that it might be good to subscribe 'motu-sru'
[04:12] <dholbach> sistpoty: next thing I heard was you slapping me... let's discuss :)
[04:12] <sistpoty> dholbach: well, motu-sru takes only care to accept/reject given sru's ;)
[04:12] <dholbach> sistpoty: I don't think that it'll happen often - how else could we handle such requests?
[04:13] <dholbach> sistpoty: (and I really don't want to put more workload on you guys - I even tried to save you from being subscribed to random bugs of packages that happened to go into -updates) :)
[04:13] <sistpoty> :)
[04:14] <sistpoty> dholbach: the problem is that there are two parts of work for an sru
[04:14] <dholbach> right
[04:14] <sistpoty> dholbach: the one thing is preparing it, getting it into -proposed, finding ppl. who test it, and doing the final upload to -updates
[04:14] <dholbach> ok, so it'd be better to ask people to write to ubuntu-motu@ about that?
[04:15] <sistpoty> dholbach: imo that's s.th. the motu-sru team could not handle...
[04:15] <dholbach> ok
[04:15] <sistpoty> dholbach: not quite sure... maybe assign to -motu (though that won't result in much) or form another team?
[04:16] <dholbach> better to write to the mailing list
[04:16] <sistpoty> maybe...
[04:16] <dholbach> alright
[04:17] <sistpoty> (as a side note, I've been unsubscribing motu-sru from all these requests which had missing info last week :P)
[04:18] <dholbach> ok, that's fine
[04:18] <dholbach> super
[04:57] <jdong> is the process for MOTU SRU documented?
[04:58] <sistpoty> jdong: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU
[04:59] <jdong> is there any group I can subscribe that is willing to help prepare debdiffs?
[05:00] <sistpoty> jdong: not really... I just sent a mail to ubuntu-motu for two bugs that need an assignee, maybe you could do so as well?
[05:01] <jdong> :-/
[05:01] <jdong> hmm
[05:01] <jdong> well for me, needing to divert requests to SRU will be a regular occurrence
[05:02] <jdong> it'd be better if there were some sort of standardized policy
[05:02] <jdong> apart from just opening a Ubuntu ticket and watch it collect dust for 8 months
[05:02] <sistpoty> jdong: hm... yep, maybe we could need a team of ppl. to do that after all
[05:03] <jdong> that would be great
[05:04] <zul> sistpoty: do we have the man power for that or the interest?
[05:04] <sistpoty> zul: not quite sure actually... 
[05:05] <jdong> if we don't have the manpower, then I'm going to have to defy ubuntu-archive and continue to do bugfixes thru backporting
[05:07] <sistpoty> jdong: imo you're completely right if it comes to "this bug is fixed within a new upstream version", because then it's much more tedious to backport individual stuff
[05:08] <jdong> really all I need is for a MOTU to say that
[05:08] <jdong> that is, too tedious to backport fix
[05:08] <jdong> and then you guys are off the hook and ubuntu-archive will let me continue the backport
[05:09] <sistpoty> jdong: yay! ;)
[05:09] <jdong> which brings back the question.... so who can I subscribe to get that kind of evaluation on SRU candidacy
[05:13] <sistpoty> jdong: tough question: from a motu-sru POV I can and will give you answers to the question "is this proposed debdiff valid" or "is an update from x.y to x.z valid for sru"
[05:14] <sistpoty> jdong: but the answer may as well be "no, you should backport individual patches and come back later"
[05:14] <sistpoty> jdong: so basically every solid bug *can* be fixed with an sru, if s.o. is willing to do the work... and that's outside the scope of motu-sru
[05:15] <sistpoty> (except wishlist bugs of course ;)
[05:18] <sistpoty> jdong: I guess for some basic advice, you can safely subscribe motu-sru, but I don't want it to be abused for "there is a bug in edgy/dapper, please fix it". I guess we wouldn't be very productive then any longer.
[05:30] <dholbach> lfittl: you have such a funny hackergotchi in launchpad :-)
[05:32] <bddebian> Ah, lfittl is still around? :-)
[05:40] <jdong> sistpoty: ok, given that, I'll first try to get in contact with the last-changed-by
[05:40] <jdong> sistpoty: and subscribe you guys as a last resort
[05:40] <jdong> thanks for your time and understanding
[05:40] <sistpoty> jdong: ok, great, thanks!
[05:40] <sistpoty> no problem ;)
[05:44] <Zic_> Hi, I would like to be allowed in the REVU team for upload my packages, I was registered in the team of launchpad.net, and now, I ask here for sync the keyring, any admins ?
[05:45] <sistpoty> Zic_: what's your lp name?
[05:46] <Zic_> it's "zic" with the good casse :)
[05:47] <sistpoty> Zic_: alright, I'll update the keyring
[05:47] <Zic_> sistpoty: thanks ! You are too fast :)
[05:47] <sistpoty> Zic_: no problem ;)
[05:47] <sistpoty> Zic_: this will take 5 minutes or so, then you should be able to upload to revu
[05:48] <Zic_> ok :)
[05:48] <Czessi> Hi, any MOTU here, who can review a package?
[05:48] <dholbach> hey Czessi
[05:48] <dholbach> Czessi: how's it going?
[05:48] <dholbach> long time no see :)
[05:48] <Zic_> davromaniak: hey :)
[05:48] <Czessi> Hi dholbach, the last time i was very busy
[05:49] <davromaniak> hey Zic_ 
[05:49] <dholbach> Czessi: how are you today? :)
[05:49] <Gloubiboulga> uploaders*
[05:50] <Gloubiboulga> even if it gives us some work :p
[05:50] <Gloubiboulga> Czessi: what's your package?
[05:50] <davromaniak> I'm going to shave my face, bbl
[05:50] <Czessi> dholbach: in 2 hours I must go to my working place :(
[05:50] <Czessi> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3713
[05:51] <dholbach> Czessi: all the best with that!
[05:53] <Czessi> dholbach: thanks. 
[05:54] <sistpoty> Zic_: keyring update done
[05:56] <Zic_> sistpoty: thanks, I will look at
[06:23] <Czessi> Gloubiboulga: which you mean with " debian/changelog: "linitian" "
[06:25] <Gloubiboulga> Czessi: you wrote "debian/linitan:" in the changelog
[06:25] <Gloubiboulga> the file is "debian/lintian"
[06:26] <Czessi> Gloubiboulga: ups ;) i'll upload the new source in a few minutes
[06:26] <Gloubiboulga> ok :)
[06:34] <Czessi> Gloubiboulga: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3734
[06:42] <rmjb> hey guys
[06:43] <bddebian> Heya rmjb
[06:43] <rmjb> I've a question about binary builds
[06:43] <rmjb> how long after a source package gets uploaded does the binary deb take to make it into the archive?
[06:44] <rmjb> I want to do some testing...
[06:44] <Gloubiboulga> Czessi: ok, I'm preparing the diner, I'll upload in a moment ;)
[06:45] <Czessi> Gloubiboulga: great, thanks :-)
[06:49] <rmjb> for example the update source package for dmraid was uploaded on Saturday, but on packages.ubuntu.com it's still the previous version
[06:49] <Burgwork> robitaille: odd time of the morning for you to be on
[06:50] <robitaille> Burgwork: I'm at work...don't tell the taxpayers :)
[06:50] <Burgwork> don't tell my boss :)
[06:55] <ajmitch> morning
[06:55] <zul> hey ajmitch 
[06:57] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch you stud :)
[06:58] <rmjb> just found this wiki page btw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BddebianIsAGod
[06:58] <bddebian> ajmitch: Wanna review my libparagui1.1? :))
[06:58] <ajmitch> hahaha
[06:58] <ajmitch> no
[06:59] <bddebian> :'-(
[06:59] <ajmitch> it's 7AM
[07:04] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[07:04] <zul> hi lj
[07:06] <LaserJock> hi bddebian and zul
[07:06] <bddebian> Hmm, is anyone left on the games team?
[07:08] <sistpoty> hi LaserJock, bddebian
[07:08] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[07:08] <sistpoty> bddebian: I'm left, but don't have much time atm :( (diploma thesis)
[07:09] <bddebian> sistpoty: No worries, I was just looking for someone to review my libparagui1.1 becuase it's needed for a FreeLords games that I want to bring in. :)
[07:09] <geser> rmjb: dmraid is sitting in the new queue https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=dmraid
[07:09] <proppy> how often does the build daemon run ?
[07:09] <sistpoty> bddebian: I'm just taking a look, actually ;)
[07:10] <bddebian> proppy: It pretty much never stops
[07:10] <sistpoty> bddebian: but I haven't reviewed packages for some time now, so don't expect the results to be very good ;)
[07:10] <bddebian> Heh, no worries
[07:11] <rmjb> thanks geser, I was looking at the build for feisty yesterday but didn't see it... guess it take a couple days
[07:12] <proppy> bddebian: the build on poker-engine package failed at December 6th, because of a missing dependencie which was Synced the 7th
[07:12] <geser> rmjb: usually not, but the udeb (dmraid-udeb) is new and needs to be accepted
[07:12] <bddebian> proppy: Is it sitting in Dep-Wait?
[07:12] <proppy> bddebian: Builds of poker-engine - 1.0.20-1 * feisty i386 Dependency wait
[07:12] <proppy> 
[07:13] <proppy> Status:  	 Dependency wait
[07:13] <bddebian> You might have to request that it be cleared
[07:13] <proppy> where ?
[07:13] <bddebian> I'm not sure who is doing that anymore :-(
[07:14] <LaserJock> dholbach: ping
[07:14] <LaserJock> proppy: how long has it been in dep wait?
[07:15] <proppy> LaserJock: since December 6th i guess
[07:15] <proppy> LaserJock: all the dependencie chain is in dep wait
[07:16] <proppy> https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/282344
[07:17] <proppy> https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/282340
[07:18] <proppy> and the most inner dependencie
[07:18] <proppy> is fine
[07:18] <dholbach> LaserJock: pong
[07:18] <proppy> https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/283351
[07:19] <proppy> so i guess it's only a matter of requestion the build of poker-engine, the poker-network
[07:20] <proppy> maybe it's only a matter of time, i don't know, what is the process for such a request
[07:20] <sistpoty> bddebian: the libparagui-1.1-8 package is empty, also I think you got the depends line wrong (the -dev depends on libparagui1.1 instead of libparagui1.1-8)
[07:22] <bddebian> It's empty? WTF.. Hmm, thanks sistpoty
[07:22] <sistpoty> bddebian: at least on amd64
[07:23] <zorglu_> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html <- the table of content doesnt match the document behind it. e.g http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-chap.html is not in the toc
[07:25] <LaserJock> zorglu_: nifty I must have broken it :-)
[07:25] <zorglu_> :)
[07:25] <LaserJock> or somebody did anyway
[07:31] <rmjb> hey dholbach thanks for the revu :)
[07:32] <proppy> hugging is better than thanking :)
[07:32] <dholbach> rmjb: no prob :)
[07:32] <rmjb> :)
[07:32] <dholbach> rock on
[07:32] <proppy> yeah
[07:38] <ajmitch> hey dholbach 
[07:38] <dholbach> heya ajmitch
[07:38] <LaserJock> rmjb: I'm on it, should be uploaded in a few minutes
[07:39] <rmjb> whoo hoo! my first package :)
[07:39] <rmjb> this weekend has been good for me
[07:39] <rmjb> not counting the bad call on the sync I recommended yesterday :(
[07:39] <rmjb> all the same
[07:40] <Adri2000> LaserJock: pleeeeaaase :) could you re-revu homebank, I fixed what you asked: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3706
[07:40] <LaserJock> Adri2000: I'll put it next on the todo ;-)
[07:40] <LaserJock> rmjb: thanks for contributing, it's what Ubuntu rock
[07:40] <LaserJock> *what makes
[07:41] <Karlik> Hello. Can anybody help me? I have three files kdeedu_3.5.5-0ubuntu1.diff.gz kdeedu_3.5.5.orig.tar.gz kdeedu_3.5.5-0ubuntu1.dsc. And I want to build a packege. What command i must to write
[07:42] <LaserJock> Karlik: you just want to rebuild it without any modification?
[07:42] <Adri2000> LaserJock: thanks
[07:42] <plugwash> dpkg-source -x kdeedu_3.5.5-0ubuntu1.dsc
[07:42] <plugwash> cd kdeedu-3.5.5
[07:42] <plugwash> dpkg-buildpackage
[07:42] <Karlik> dpkg-source: error: file kdeedu_3.5.5.orig.tar.gz has size 32577712 instead of expected 32562268
[07:43] <Karlik> I change some files in source
[07:43] <rmjb> Karlik: try giving this page a read :) https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html
[07:44] <rmjb> See secton on Building the Source Package at the end... that's what you need to do
[07:44] <rmjb> to recreate the .dsc file
[07:44] <Karlik> thanks
[07:45] <rmjb> the entire page is a good overview though, so if you can, you should read it
[07:56] <LaserJock> rmjb: done :-)
[07:58] <somerville32> If a program comes with it's own config script, compile script, and install script... should I make use of them or disregard them and use the debian rules?
[07:59] <LaserJock> use them
[07:59] <LaserJock> from debian rules
[08:02] <somerville32> Ok
[08:02] <LaserJock> rules is just there to guide the packaging process, upstream build scripts are generally pretty good
[08:03] <LaserJock> so generally it would be wasted effort to build your own
[08:05] <rmjb> LaserJock: thanks!
[08:05] <LaserJock> Adri2000: why did you make a -data package
[08:07] <Adri2000> LaserJock: because there is 2M of arch-indep files
[08:07] <Sp4rKy> who is the REVU ml admin ?
[08:08] <dholbach> LaserJock: I don't know which package you are referring to, but in the GNOME world we have a bunch of them, because then you don't have to have all the arch independent stuff on all the mirrors
[08:08] <LaserJock> yeah, it just didn't seem like that much to me
[08:10] <somerville32> ajmitch: Good thing it is Monday, eh? :] 
[08:10] <ajmitch> for you, perhaps
[08:10] <somerville32> It's Tuesday already? : (
[08:10] <zul> in nz
[08:11] <zul> something called timezones ;)
[08:11] <somerville32> haha, I just woke up
[08:11] <somerville32> Then again... it is already 3pm here
[08:13] <LaserJock> Adri2000: done, thanks
[08:14] <Adri2000> ok LaserJock, thank you for advocating :)
[08:16] <somerville32> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3644
[08:16] <somerville32> I'm not sure what he means by removing those files
[08:26] <Adri2000> somerville32: they are files created during the build, and must be removed at the end of the build, so you have to rm them during the clean rule in debian/rules
[08:27] <somerville32> All the *.in ones come with the original source
[08:29] <crippledcanary> Could someone have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3736
[08:29] <crippledcanary> I think I have fixed all things commented about
[08:29] <Adri2000> somerville32: hmm yeah strange
[08:31] <Adri2000> crippledcanary: the diff.gz is missing
[08:36] <crippledcanary> Sorry... it should have been there... will upload again.
[08:39] <crippledcanary> Check http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3737 it has the diff.gz
[08:45] <_DvP_> hello crippledcanary, just a little thing...I'm not MOTU but I think that it should be feisty in debian/changelog instead of edgy
[08:45] <Sp4rKy> siretart: are you here ?
[08:46] <_DvP_> and the section should be "editors" instead of gnome ?
[08:46] <Sp4rKy> does anyone here know how start revu report with REVU ?
[08:46] <Sp4rKy> (it's on my server)
[08:48] <crippledcanary> So uploading for edgy is not possible? I'm new at this..
[08:48] <zul> correct
[08:48] <ajmitch> Sp4rKy: you run it from the commandline, not the web interface
[08:48] <davromaniak> nobody speaks japanese here ?
[08:49] <Sp4rKy> ajmitch: do you know what script exactly ? revu-review ?
[08:51] <ajmitch> revu-report, iirc
[08:52] <Sp4rKy> k thx
[09:14] <somerville32> Do I need to use dh_pysupport and/or dh_pycentral if the package doesn't have any modules?
[09:20] <crimsun> somerville32: most probably, yes.
[09:21] <crimsun> It's very, very rare that a python package will not need to invoke one.
[09:21] <somerville32> dh_py* compile packages included with the source
[09:21] <somerville32> And move them around
[09:22] <somerville32> And install them
[09:22] <somerville32> (or so that my understanding)
[09:22] <crimsun> yes, and there are very, very few packages that don't install .pys
[09:22] <somerville32> Well, this is one of those packages :P
[09:22] <crimsun> (alsa-utils is the only one I can think of right off the bat that doesn't need dh_py*, though I'm sure there are others)
[09:23] <crimsun> what does it install?
[09:24] <somerville32> .pyc
[09:26] <crimsun> err...
[09:26] <crimsun> to where does it install?
[09:26] <crimsun> it'd be very, very suspicious to generate a .pyc without needing dh_py*
[09:29] <somerville32>         install *.pyc $(DESTDIR)/$(PREFIX)/lib/pyNeighborhood
[09:31] <crimsun> ouch, messy.
[09:31] <crimsun> ideally that needs to be converted to use one of python-{central,support}
[09:32] <lifeless> messy and wrong
[09:32] <lifeless> .pyc's are specfic to the python ABI in use
[09:32] <lifeless> its *possible* for a point release of python to change the ABI and thus invalidate all pyc's.
[09:33] <crimsun> this is one of the major, if not -the-, reasons why python-{central,support} exists
[09:34] <somerville32> They do that upstream
[09:34] <somerville32> How do I go around it? Should I modify the source?
[09:35] <lifeless> upstream are allowed to do that, but foolish. What they should do is have a setup.py and chain into that from Makefile, or if they are using automake, use its support.
[09:35] <lifeless> somerville32: as long as they install the .py its easy: 
[09:35] <somerville32> They don't install the .py
[09:35] <somerville32> They only install the .pyc
[09:36] <lifeless> well, thats what you need to address.
[09:36] <lifeless> I would fix it in the main codebase and send them a patch.
[09:36] <lifeless> and a flame/
[09:36] <ajmitch> morning lifeless 
[09:38] <somerville32> Will I get in trouble when I upload it to REVU for make modifications outside of debian/ ?
[09:38] <somerville32> Or should I just ignore their script and do things correct in debian/rules ?
[09:39] <lifeless> tchau
[09:39] <lifeless> somerville32: making changes outside debian/ is entirely appropriate when upstream is broken
[09:39] <lifeless> somerville32: if you are using a patch system, you are doing that, just less visibly.
[09:39] <lifeless> gotta run, aikido, bye.
[09:43] <tsmithe> byes
[09:43] <plugwash> i presume the reasons for using the patch system are 1: its easier to keep changes for different purposes seperate 2: it's easier to move to a new upstream version
[09:47] <dholbach> night folks
[09:47] <ajmitch> night daniel
[09:47] <tsmithe> night
[09:47] <dholbach> night Andrew, night tsmithe
[09:47] <dholbach> *wave*
[09:48] <somerville32> Should I set it up like galternatives?
[09:48] <tsmithe> oh i'm slow again
[10:02] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: do you have revu-tools installed?
[10:03] <LaserJock> bah, I need to read the whole backlog before I type
[10:04] <tsmithe> yay! backlogs!
[10:06] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock: yep
[10:06] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock: a strange thing when i start the script
[10:11] <Sp4rKy> it says there is no .deb 
[10:11] <Sp4rKy> whereas i start revu-buld, which should create the deb :)
[10:22] <somerville32> crimsun: I don't think I'm getting this.
[10:29] <somerville32> What if I disabled compiling the python to .pyc?
[10:29] <somerville32> Wouldn't that solve all my problems? <g>
[10:31] <LaserJock> somerville32: but you said they didn't ship .py
[10:31] <somerville32> I said they don't install .pyc
[10:32] <somerville32> ERr..
[10:32] <somerville32> .py
[10:32] <LaserJock> ah, there you go then
[10:32] <somerville32> Sweet :] 
[10:32] <LaserJock> do they use a setup.py or Makefile or ?
[10:33] <somerville32> Makefile
[10:33] <LaserJock> so patch the Makefile to not build the .pyc and use python-central or python-support
[11:03] <bddebian> d00d, wtf?
[11:04] <jdong> bddebian: there's this really cool TCP RST flood button in ettercap
[11:05] <bddebian> jdong: :)
[11:06] <jdong> one side effect is that it kinda disconnected all 8000 peers from my Casino Royale torrent
[11:06] <jdong> (j/k of course)
[11:06] <bddebian> hehe
[11:07] <proppy> pirates!
[11:07] <jdong> proppy: that's the other torrent going; using Deluge to deal with that one
[11:09] <proppy> jdong: dunno what you are talking about, I'm not involved in anything beginning by Tor and finishing by rent
[11:09] <proppy> :)
[11:09] <jdong> lol
[11:10] <proppy> btw, is there a patent for a technology that helps to distribute copyrighted material over the net ?
[11:14] <jdong> proppy: good question... I don't know if any BitTorrent or eDonkey or Kazaa, etc folks have tried to patent their technologies
[11:15] <jdong> somehow it seems like BitTorrent Inc is moving in that direction
[11:16] <jdong> I've been a tad upset by GNOME's boot time
[11:16] <jdong> gonna see if XFCE with a bunch of my GNOME stuff is any better than GNOME itself
[11:16] <jdong> (doubt it)
[11:16] <proppy> maybe the RIAA, should patent p2p
[11:17] <jdong> lol
[11:41] <bddebian> Later gang
[11:51] <Lathiat> who do we chase up to get unmoderated on ubuntu-devel?
[12:01] <somerville32> lathiat: You have to become a developer or MOTU
[12:01] <Lathiat> somerville32: i am ;)
[12:01] <somerville32> Launchpad id?
[12:01] <joejaxx> Lathiat: what do you mean unmoderated?
[12:02] <Lathiat> somerville32: you get 1 guess ;)
[12:02] <Lathiat> joejaxx: ubuntu-devel is now moderated to non-developers
[12:02] <joejaxx> really? that is interesting
[12:02] <joejaxx> you mean the actual channel
[12:02] <Lathiat> no
[12:02] <Lathiat> the mailing list
[12:02] <joejaxx> oh
[12:03] <somerville32> Odd
[12:04] <somerville32> Lathiat, Are you sure your messages are being moderated?
[12:04] <Lathiat> hrm its picked up lathi@bur.st as my email despite from From: header saying lathiat@bur.st
[12:05] <Lathiat> and i've emailed before the moderation stuff in this setup and it worked
[12:06] <somerville32> Quick fix would be to add the e-mail to your lp account
[12:06] <Lathiat> thats a bit whack
[12:06] <Lathiat> From lathi@bur.st  Tue Dec 12 08:05:09 2006                                                                                          
[12:06] <Lathiat> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:05:06 +0900                                                                                                
[12:06] <Lathiat> From: Trent Lloyd <lathiat@bur.st>                                                                                                   
[12:07] <Lathiat> To: lathiat@bur.st                                                                                                                   
[12:07] <Lathiat> Subject: test       
[12:07] <Lathiat> is how my headers come through
[12:07] <Lathiat> hrm well i did that
[12:07] <Lathiat> see how it goes when i get into work later
[12:07] <Lathiat> ttyl
[12:07] <somerville32> You're welcome! :)
[12:09] <somerville32> jdong: ping
[12:09] <jdong> somerville32: 911. state your emergency.
[12:10] <somerville32> jdong: Did you install Xubuntu? <g>
[12:10] <jdong> somerville32: that would be correct
[12:10] <somerville32> Edgy?
[12:10] <jdong> yes
[12:10] <somerville32> Like it
[12:10] <somerville32> ?
[12:10] <jdong> well I think it's great for what it does, y es
[12:10] <jdong> but for my taste it's still a tad on the minimalistic side
[12:11] <jdong> so on my Core Duo T2300 with 1GB RAM, I'll continue to use my GNOME ;-)
[12:11] <somerville32> Wanna see a cool skin of Xfce4?
[12:11] <jdong> sure
[12:12] <somerville32> http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/6770/vistapk7.jpg
[12:12] <joejaxx> lol jknifes doing
[12:12] <jdong> lol
[12:12] <jdong> that looks very familiar
[12:12] <jdong> to the OS on this CD I have
[12:12] <jdong> holographically labeled Windows Vista x64 RTM
[12:13] <jdong> lol