=== ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #edubuntu === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #edubuntu [12:57] where is Scott when you need him? === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === jack_wyt_ is now known as jack_wyt === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #edubuntu === freet15 [n=freet15@221.216.190.198] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock === cafuego_ [n=cafuego@ppp138-80.lns3.mel6.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.21.97] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #edubuntu === jbrefort [n=jean@mar44-2-82-227-215-241.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === zing [n=ircer@208.35.181.253] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === zing is now known as maccabeus [07:53] hey corey === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #edubuntu [07:57] hey maccabeus [07:58] Burgundavia, do you know of anyone using schooltool or schoolbell for calendaring? [07:58] nope [07:59] #schooltool is dead [07:59] nobody's around to answer questions -- [08:00] anybody out there using schooltool or schoolbell? [08:00] or any other collaboration/calendaring system on ubuntu? [08:01] what is your issue? [08:03] I need a decent collaboration system for scheduling both people and resources -- [08:03] I could use Zimbra, but it's huge [08:03] Hula's dead [08:04] need it for a school? [08:04] small non-profit educational org [08:04] and what are you needs? [08:05] scheduling for individuals, ability to check for conflicts in other's schedules to assist with scheduling meetings. ability to schedule resources like conference rooms [08:05] do you need mail? [08:05] right, just scheduling? [08:05] eventually --- mainly scheduling at this point [08:06] I can do mail with Postfix and cyrus if I needed to now but we're relying on an isp for the time being [08:06] If mail was thrown in I'd take it so I can use calendaring [08:07] there are a number of fairly mature pieces of scheduling software on sf.net, although I have used none of them [08:08] the key is choosing one that's going to be around for a while [08:08] yep [08:08] hula is not really for schedule [08:09] I'm checking sf now... [08:09] look for scheduling software === RichEd-1 [n=richard@dsl-241-10-164.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd-1 is now known as RichEd [08:29] thanks corey -- tom answered my q's about schoolbell -- catch you later === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:42] hey cbx33 ... [09:42] gotta minute for me ? [09:42] for you anything ;) [09:42] 1 min ... [09:43] sure [09:43] pm? === Starting logfile irclogs/edubuntu.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #edubuntu === Topic for #edubuntu: Order: http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki | MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | edgy (6.10) is released ! grab it while its hot ! http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edgy/ | Upgraders see: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLTSPUpgradeNotes === Topic (#edubuntu): set by Seveas at Sun Nov 26 18:00:58 2006 [10:03] (LaserJock/#edubuntu) cbx33: we hope the funding agencies things so anyway ;-) [10:04] applications? [10:04] cbx33: very very small cars :) [10:05] hahah [10:05] RichEd: NanoCars in fact [10:05] a famous researcher at Rice University is building some === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === willvdl [n=will@vc-196-207-41-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [10:09] all right. connection back up ! [10:14] hey willvdl [10:14] hey [10:15] i meant o say something to you yesterday but you'd already gone [10:16] yeah connection was fuzzy but is back now [10:16] wassup? [10:16] trouble is I can't remember what it was ;) [10:17] ah [10:17] hehe [10:17] eat some peanut butter [10:17] it was about ESA [10:17] or drink a red bull [10:18] speaking of which: can we expunge https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy and make it a planning (like launchpad features) page [10:19] seeing as how ESA is on help.u.c === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === jinty [n=jinty@177.Red-83-54-74.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === tonyyserver [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #edubuntu === tonyyserver [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [12:26] willvdl: go for it [12:26] that page is defunct now any way [12:27] yip. [12:27] currently busy putting edubuntu references into docteam pages [12:27] ok cool === willvdl tries to figure out what exactly the difference is between the about guide and the release notes === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu [12:51] hey rodarvus [12:51] willvdl: so how are we going to move forward with ESA? [12:52] we can pimp up SCP a little more now ;) [12:52] hi there [12:53] cbx33, lets decide on the intended audience. we drew up a list of possibilities ages ago but it needs to be filtered [12:54] i.e. user vs admin vs auntie vs prime minister [12:56] yes [12:57] imho it's not much good targetting admins [12:57] currently it's like a user advocacy guide would you say? [12:57] not at the moment [12:57] geared at teachers I'd say [12:57] agreed. they would rather have the manual [12:57] so.... [12:58] I think the best target is teachers/users [12:58] we want them to say...I WANT IT [12:58] teachers would be most interested in apps [12:58] and the admins to have to do it [12:58] gotcha [12:59] so target principles down to teachers [01:00] advocacy to a "school" as such [01:00] yes [01:00] imho.... [01:00] RichEd: will be able to help us out here ;) [01:01] yeah. [01:01] then more audiences [01:02] of course same will eventually apply to manuals as well === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [01:02] yes [01:02] so maybe we should move the planning elsewhere? [01:02] cbx33: I agree with you with targetting teachers & users ... with the following comment: [01:02] greetings earthlings i come in peace [01:03] You yourself have problems getting the higher upstream people to accept open source. [01:03] woot [01:03] So ground up is necessary not sufficient ... [01:03] no i agree [01:03] We also need a version for decision makers. Top down. [01:03] (RichEd: did you get my pm) [01:03] yes totally [01:04] RichEd, such materials will look rather more like marketing stuff === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #edubuntu [01:04] Note however that our compelling arguments / features for "large scale education deployment" regarding cost of ownership (simpler deployment, updates & admin) will com in Feisty. [01:04] the ESA is basically a web reference where people follow up to [01:05] yeh [01:05] but sometimes that can be a better argument [01:05] they can then see in such a short time how much we are developing [01:05] and often they are not ready to switch straight away anyway ;) [01:06] make something like an interactive session of edubuntu available on the web :) that's how MS does with their virtual labs [01:06] willvdl: agreed ... but what we don't want is all of the various target audience arguments in one document "without an index" of sorts ... i.e. the decision maker does not want to read about every application to get to the bits that "press his buttons". [01:06] although that's a really really big infrastructure [01:06] but nothing beats hands on :) [01:06] jsgotangco: you could be right there [01:07] RichEd, agreed. School Advocacy is basically for the "School" [01:07] could we do a java vnc to a box setup somewhere [01:07] because it works [01:07] So as an easy way to get to what I think we need, can we structure the document in sections ... If you are a teacher ... If you are a system administrator ... all in one doc to start, and then we can split versions as step 2 ? [01:07] perhaps we should look at a namespace change? [01:07] RichEd: sure [01:07] jsgotangco: shipit --> live CD [01:07] willvdl: yeh, but takes time [01:07] sure [01:07] jsgotangco: agreed ... but the old dudes who make decisions in places like the UK are not really going to play with an Edubuntu install ... they are more office bound conservative people. [01:08] sometimes by the time the cd comes they have lost interest === willvdl head spins [01:08] RichEd: true, but they may give the address/cd out to someone and say take a look tell me what you think [01:08] They want to know how Edubuntu will affect thier budget. How they can use the same budget, but move across some capex & licence fees into Training. More training on the same budget spend means lower support calls & costs. [01:08] also cd's at the mo are for dapper, so they are not seeing the true improvments ;) [01:09] We're talking about advocacy material. Showcase stuff. No technical info unless it refers to some kind of server setup [01:09] RichEd: we need testamonies [01:09] cbx33, they are coming into mystory :) lots of them [01:09] cbx33: they are coming in via various directions ... we are trying to consolidate. [01:09] framework first, data later :) [01:09] fantastic [01:10] Perhaps we could change ESA to EA (Edubuntu Advocacy)? [01:10] or something more glitzy (e.g. Edubuntu Experience) [01:10] willvdl: the name ESA was never an official name [01:11] hence why on the edubuntu.org site it's called [01:11] Using Edubuntu [01:11] ah. never noticed that :) [01:11] hehe [01:12] we don;t want to tell people that we are advocating our product ;) [01:12] that should be subconscious ;) [01:12] yip [01:12] Are you happy with Using Edubuntu? [01:12] hmmm [01:12] no [01:12] no [01:13] neither :) [01:13] LEts hash a name so that we have a landing [01:13] i am ashamed to say i am using vista at work at the moment === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [01:13] noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo [01:14] jsgotangco, one must always keep a grips on the outside world :P [01:14] willvdl: that's a tough one [01:14] cbx33: its actually a nice looking os if you have the hardware [01:14] ag, I suppose a name change is no biggy to do in the wiki [01:14] heheh [01:14] no...just coming up with thename is tricky [01:14] jsgotangco, playing with new office yet? [01:15] yeah [01:15] its pretty wild [01:15] Office Groove [01:15] hah [01:15] cbx33 meaning that it is not necessarily critical now [01:15] ok [01:15] agreed [01:15] its pretty much 80% bling features anyways === willvdl navigates wiki [01:16] it seems just Win XP + bling [01:16] besides Beryl is so much better and will run on much worse hardware ;) [01:16] willvdl: we can chat about the name ... I think it is quite important that is conveys benefits or improvements in the actual name or title [01:16] what new exciting thing are we talking about now? [01:16] realy Beryl is better? [01:17] i have very litle use of spinning cubes [01:17] What is it? I'll tell you if it's better. ;) [01:17] RichEd, jsut looking for a planning page really [01:17] heheh, i don;t use spinning cubes, but I do use transparent windows [01:17] willvdl: why not just use the old advocacy page? [01:17] *tap*tap*tap* Is this thing on? :) [01:17] just delete everything on it [01:17] sorry Amaranth [01:18] lol [01:18] we're discussing edubuntu school advocacy [01:18] our marketing doc out to schools [01:18] and somehow Beryl at the same time [01:18] heh [01:18] yeah.. [01:18] that was jsgotangco's fault ;) [01:18] what are you comparing to beryl? the docs? [01:18] lol [01:19] yes... [01:19] cbx33, how about registering it as a launchpad project/product [01:19] is the ESA as bling as Beryl [01:19] willvdl: good idea [01:19] then we can use rosetta right? [01:19] true [01:19] nahh i was saying how Aero takes the bling level quite nicely but its 80% bling and 20% OS [01:19] who remembers BlueKuja? [01:19] haha, i was getting ready to dive into code and look at implementations of compositors :) [01:19] cbx33. genius. why do I ALWYAS forget about Rosetta [01:20] Amaranth: cool [01:20] no no, i meant i thought you were talking about a new one [01:20] willvdl: happens to the best of us ;) [01:20] Amaranth: hahaha [01:21] although i am waist-deep in compositor-related code ;) [01:21] ;) [01:21] okie. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy will then become the Spec page [01:21] good plan [01:21] which we can change as the name changes [01:21] totally [01:21] can one change a launchpad product name? [01:21] hmmm [01:22] not sure [01:22] urk [01:22] ok. forget launchpad until later then [01:22] hmm [01:22] well....it can be more of a generic name for LP [01:23] like Edubuntu Marketing Docs [01:23] doesn't have to be our final name for it [01:23] good idea [01:23] Edubuntu MArketing Material [01:23] just means it's one less thing that we have to do later ;) [01:24] subdivided into sub products [01:24] website stuff, printed stuff etc [01:24] totally [01:24] OK, I think the E Mark Material name is safe [01:24] yup [01:25] jsut want to surf Launchpad to see how marketing jobs are registered [01:25] we already have the team [01:26] yes [01:26] genius [01:28] hmmm, what wiki category to use... [01:29] cbx33 check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy [01:30] can I remove the leaflets from the wiki? are they safe alsewhere? [01:30] nah, kill em ;) or just kill the links and leave them attached in the background? [01:30] quick tech question: can anyone tell me how to unload and reload my video driver without a reboot ? [01:30] RichEd, restart X? [01:31] willvdl: makes sense ... command line instructions ? and will it kill my gui applications that are open ? [01:31] yes it will [01:32] do [01:32] alt-cntrl-bspace [01:32] sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart [01:32] :( That's as bad as a reboot. Means I have to tidy my open desktops. Damn. [01:33] sorry dude [01:33] cbx33: telinit for the real geek [01:34] hehe [01:34] i find sometimes Ctrl+Alt+Backspace doesn't always work right [01:35] hmm, does it actually restart the ldm? === pitux [n=pitux@113-28-118.adsl.cust.tie.cl] has joined #edubuntu [01:35] not sure [01:36] Last hope: Is there anything else that would refresh it ? Changing the screen display driver to an alternate driver or resolution via settings, and then back again ? [01:36] do you have dead pixels? [01:36] or some colourspace oddity [01:38] After I have played a move or two in MPlayer, the video screen goes dim. The sound plays, but the contracts decreases to the point where the video display is black. Some HP driver funny I presume. [01:38] *contrast [01:38] cbx33, need lunch quick. Feel free to jot ideas, namespaces etc on ESA wiki site [01:39] do you have hotkeys for lcd display level? [01:40] no ... don't think so [01:40] willvdl: will do if I get time [01:40] not serious ... okay for now [01:46] cbx33, I'll check with you before I register anything on launchpad [01:47] ok [01:47] thanks [01:53] cbx33, check http://diy.devubuntu.com/ <-- a devel page for spreadubuntu [01:53] kinda cool === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === jack_at_home [n=jack@222.131.252.159] has joined #edubuntu [02:24] willvdl: that dev site is cool, but seems a little broken [02:29] yip. dev-site :) those central icons are HUGE === saywhat [n=chatzill@i-194-106-63-67.freedom2surf.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:34] hi all, i have a quick query about edubuntu that i cant seem to find the answer for on the website [02:35] cant seem to get schooltool to work, goto localhost:7080 and get logged in as manager no probs, but then attempting to add anything (resources, users etc) i just get "a system error has occured" [02:35] anybody else come across this? [02:35] willvdl: well not so much that....soem of hte links don't seem to work [02:36] looks great though ;) [02:41] woh, is this site being updated now...? [03:05] it is pretty live [03:06] the mailing list is 90% about the site === Dheeraj_k [n=Dheeraj@203.145.159.40] has joined #edubuntu [03:20] ! windows [03:20] For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents [03:21] willvdl: ok cool [03:21] so..... [03:21] where do we go from here? [03:22] first we screw my head back on :) [03:22] heh [03:22] OK we got audience [03:22] yup [03:22] now we need scope [03:22] we got a place to work [03:22] (wiki) [03:22] yeah. it's clean [03:22] ok [03:22] got LP sorted? [03:22] and will link from launchpad tonight [03:22] nice [03:23] We need a nice blueprint/spec wiki page format [03:24] what kind of sub projects do you think will fall in here? [03:24] e.g. leaflets, booklets, handbooks, websites, advocacy [03:25] all of the above ;) [03:25] we can start plotting scope vs. audience [03:25] I think it's all linked [03:26] and we need a main place to being planning and collaborating [03:26] and some thoughts on how to automagically link written material [03:26] (ala TopicBasedHelp style) [03:27] perhaps [03:27] right [03:27] well, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy is perfect for planning [03:27] yup [03:27] current DocTeam style is to add a /Talk subpage for discussion [03:29] we need an outline that suits us for the page [03:30] yes I agree [03:31] urk doorbell... [03:34] we can also consider an opening letter to get us back into marketing team channels. Perhaps Burgwork can help here [03:39] hmmm === Fingahzz [n=fplee@TiBook.oobschools.org] has joined #edubuntu === EmxBA [n=emx@unaffiliated/emxba] has joined #edubuntu [04:50] hey folks. how current is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation ? === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #edubuntu [05:00] not very === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === EmxBA [n=emx@unaffiliated/emxba] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving!"] [05:34] Burgundavia, which one are you, Burgwork or Burgundavia? :) [05:34] both, but currently Burgundavia [05:34] rule of thumb is: try Burgundavia before you try Burgwork [05:35] ah. are you around later? want to chat about repos for marketing materials [05:36] not really. I suspect today could be quite insane at work [05:38] ah cool. will draft an email rather. need some advice === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #edubuntu [05:49] Heya === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === meduxa [n=agustin@84.Red-217-127-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [06:42] ping ogra === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock === jwaddell [n=jwaddell@chi.spunge.org] has joined #edubuntu [07:39] hey LaserJock [07:39] got a minute? [07:39] yeah [07:48] ogra, you there buddy [07:48] please dude :p [07:49] cbx33, i'm on my way out and really sorry oi didnt make the meeting, can we do it tomorrow ? i'm on my way out ... [07:50] I'll try... [08:40] Hmm, meeting at 12UTC, sorry I won't be able to be here, but I should be at the next one. (anyway I don't have much to say I think, that's more about listening) === coldfire [n=coldfire@cpe-75-82-68-157.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu [08:56] sbalneav: ping [08:56] pong === pirast [n=martin@p508B273F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AEE8C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === willvdl [n=will@vc-196-207-41-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === sc0tt [i=sc0tt@cpc2-stok5-0-0-cust567.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #edubuntu === blue-frog [n=bluefrog@dyn-83-152-73-148.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.21.97] has joined #edubuntu === elsigh [n=lsimon@adsl-66-136-223-233.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:38] Heyall, I have a weird problem with a server machine. [10:38] After choosing "Install the Hard Disk" I end up on the screen with the blinking underscore and it just stays there [10:38] I can boot knoppix 2 [10:39] the keyboard still registers too, as I can Ctrl-Alt-Delete and reboot === jinty [n=jinty@177.Red-83-54-74.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [10:40] elsigh, what version are you installing? [10:40] latest, 2.6.10 [10:40] funny thing is, the kernel on the hard drive does this too [10:40] hey willvdl [10:41] so I decided to use this machine to play with edubuntu [10:41] didn't see you return [10:41] hey cbx33 [10:41] it's a nice dual proc machine, but maybe something is fried [10:41] you under-estimate my sneekyness [10:41] I've tried noacpi and noapic options for boot as well [10:41] elsigh, what hardware? [10:41] chipset [10:41] pentium 3 [10:42] sneaky sneaky sir ;) [10:42] elsigh, can you do a RAM test? [10:42] I'll do it [10:43] cbx33, the "Install to Hard Disk" is the workstation install right? [10:43] no, the server install [10:43] server isntall or edubunut [10:43] do we even have that option anymore? [10:43] ah [10:43] oh yeh [10:43] sorry silly me [10:44] edubuntu terminal server install [10:44] hmm, what video hardware you got? [10:46] I'm not much of a techie so I doubt I could debug any X errors... [10:46] a shitty old vga monitor .. [10:46] nah, I dunno if it's even getting to the framebuffer [10:46] I've tried many a framebuffer setting in the kernel config [10:46] it *used* to work with the kernel on the drive [10:46] what video card? or onboard chipset? [10:47] onboard, yeah [10:47] maybe it's a different crappy monitor than before, but I've never seen that matter [10:47] not the monitor [10:47] 31% in on memtest and all good [10:47] rules that out then [10:47] yeah [10:48] it's a really frustrating situation for this school - I've been unable to use this nice donated machine for anything [10:48] rather, it's frustrating for me ;) [10:48] sure [10:48] hmmm [10:48] but it can boot the cli w/ knoppix (2) [10:48] now I had a nice machine which I couldn't run knoppix in grahpical at all [10:48] elsigh, what amchien is it out of interest [10:49] it's a Penguin Computing server [10:49] from back in the day [10:49] hmmm [10:49] two 700MHz P3s [10:49] ahh [10:49] sounds very much liek the problem I had with the avantis content cache box [10:50] what'd ya do? [10:51] nothing ;~) [10:51] urk [10:51] knew you'd say that [10:51] sorry [10:52] hey, that's what I've done [10:52] not high enough on my priority list [10:52] hehehe [10:54] I feel like there must be some magick boot option [10:54] are your X logs all right? [10:55] no X logs [10:58] /var/log/ ? [10:59] oh wait, it doesn't boot right? === globe [n=rcarpent@69.39.5.163] has joined #edubuntu [11:01] bingo [11:01] hello :-D [11:01] hi [11:01] I just get a blinking underscore in the top left of a black screen [11:01] lovely [11:02] elsigh, so no terminal at all [11:02] it's uncompressed the kernel [11:02] but that's it [11:02] I can only assume that your prior suspicion was right [11:02] kernel config [11:02]