| Hawkwind | We want screenshots! | 12:18 |
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| jdong | congrats :) | 12:18 |
| jdong | I feel proud :) | 12:18 |
| jdong | please don't ask for a Dapper backport of it unless you do it and upload it and I stand by and nod my head :D | 12:18 |
| nixternal | once sec..i just deleted it | 12:20 |
| nixternal | haha | 12:20 |
| jdong | nixternal: no probs, just restore my backups on your system and 10 bucks your old files will pop up | 12:21 |
| nixternal | har har | 12:21 |
| === jdong sucks at backing up and random files seem to magically appear :D | ||
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| nixternal | http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/stuff/hello.png | 12:28 |
| nixternal | there is the screeny of it :) | 12:28 |
| Jucato | hehe nice :) | 12:29 |
| Jucato | heh irssi :P | 12:29 |
| jdong | nixternal: oh cool, good job on the IRC app, I especially like how you coded a compositing manager to make it transparent, too! | 12:30 |
| jdong | ;-) | 12:30 |
| === Jucato mmmm... oats... | ||
| Jucato | nixternal: are you following/using/reading a tutorial/guide/book? | 12:34 |
| nixternal | ya | 12:34 |
| nixternal | i bought the C++ GUI Programming With Qt4 book | 12:34 |
| Jucato | ooooh | 12:35 |
| nixternal | it is like $40 USD on Amazon | 12:35 |
| Jucato | hm... | 12:35 |
| Jucato | might ask my aunt in NY to buy me some books... :) | 12:35 |
| Jucato | dunno how much it will cost if I buy from Amazon... or if my mom will allow me to use her debit card at all :P | 12:35 |
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| nixternal | first book that doesn't teach the Hello World program first | 12:41 |
| nixternal | instead, it teaches Hello Qt instead ;) | 12:41 |
| Jucato | lol | 12:42 |
| crimsun | rich has just upset the entire balance in the universe | 12:42 |
| nixternal | hahahahha | 12:42 |
| nixternal | i have upset my other computer by installing FC6 on it apparently | 12:42 |
| Jucato | :O | 12:43 |
| crimsun | and now he has gone and exploded the universe. | 12:43 |
| nixternal | muhehe | 12:43 |
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| Jucato | moin Hobbsee! | 04:03 |
| Hobbsee | hey Jucato! | 04:04 |
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| DaSkreech | Hobbsee: How goes? | 04:06 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: it goes. and it updates | 04:07 |
| Jucato | :) | 04:07 |
| Hobbsee | i survived work, too | 04:07 |
| Hobbsee | i think the boss learnt the hard way that i dont lie, and just call in sick when i want the day off - i really shouldnt be working | 04:07 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: you're sick now? | 04:09 |
| DaSkreech | Overall non trust of emplayees or just a jerk? | 04:09 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: yeah - major sunburn | 04:10 |
| Jucato | ouch... | 04:10 |
| Hobbsee | i'm the one who usually covers when others call in sick | 04:11 |
| Hobbsee | hence, when i call in sick, i really am sick | 04:11 |
| DaSkreech | Well you really getting sick sure taught him ... I think | 04:15 |
| DaSkreech | how'd you get sunburned? | 04:15 |
| Hawkwind | DaSkreech: From being out in the snow all day | 04:16 |
| Hobbsee | walking along the beach | 04:16 |
| Hobbsee | her | 04:16 |
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| DaSkreech | Hawkwind: Yeah that reflection is a bugger to deal with when you are in the nude | 04:16 |
| Hawkwind | Hah | 04:16 |
| DaSkreech | There was this one time I... but you don't want to hear about that | 04:16 |
| Hawkwind | You're right, I don't | 04:16 |
| Jucato | :P | 04:17 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: ping? | 04:23 |
| DaSkreech | Hawkwind: can you help with a X tunnel? | 04:23 |
| Hobbsee | !info htdig feisty | 04:24 |
| ubotu | htdig: WWW search system for an intranet or small internet. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:3.2.0b6-1 (edgy), package size 1781 kB, installed size 6328 kB | 04:24 |
| Hobbsee | damn | 04:24 |
| === Hobbsee looks for how to file main inclusion reports | ||
| === Hobbsee thinks this bug has gone on long enough | ||
| Jucato | htdig not being installed by default? | 04:29 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: yes it's in universe, and its' needed for index building for kdebase | 04:29 |
| Hobbsee | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/75317 is one such bug | 04:29 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 75317 in kdebase "[KHelpCenter] Build Search Index Broke" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 04:29 |
| Jucato | yeah. been there since Dapper (or Breezy) | 04:30 |
| Hobbsee | ewww, this looks complex | 04:30 |
| Jucato | but there's also a related KDE bug that prevents the index from being built, even with htdig installed, caused by a typo... | 04:30 |
| === Jucato looks for the bug | ||
| Hobbsee | yeah, found that | 04:30 |
| Hobbsee | was going to fix this before, but didnt want to follow the MIR | 04:30 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: know of any reason why htdig isnt being installed by default? | 04:31 |
| Hobbsee | s/follow/file/ | 04:31 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: pongers? | 04:34 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: your bug @ htdig | 04:34 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: want to help me file the MIR? | 04:34 |
| nixternal | sure | 04:34 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: check the security stuff on it? | 04:35 |
| nixternal | on htdig? | 04:36 |
| nixternal | it is more than htdig, it is still broken even with htdig, and the $kdekdehtmldir changed to $kdehtmldir | 04:36 |
| Hobbsee | yes | 04:36 |
| nixternal | i have been looking at SuSE's KHelpCenter because it works ootb and initializes the first time it opens | 04:36 |
| Jucato | ah yes, it's that bug I was thinking of... | 04:36 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, but that doesnt require a MIR, and that will take longer to go thru | 04:36 |
| nixternal | shoot, there are at least 10+ bugs reported on kde, each worded differently | 04:37 |
| Hobbsee | yeah | 04:37 |
| Hobbsee | and there's another bug on malone about it, with heaps of confirms | 04:37 |
| Hobbsee | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportHtdig | 04:37 |
| Hobbsee | uh oh | 04:38 |
| Hobbsee | http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=htdig | 04:38 |
| Jucato | nixternal: this one? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126804 | 04:40 |
| Ubugtu | KDE bug 126804 in general "cannot create index: "requires explicit package name"" [Normal,New] | 04:40 |
| Hobbsee | strike... | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | that's not going to get thru... | 04:41 |
| nixternal | we are fine with Edgy and Feisty with htdig not being included in that CVE | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=htdig | 04:42 |
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| Hobbsee | i *knew* it was likely to be bad when it was maintained by debian QA | 04:43 |
| nixternal | jeesh | 04:43 |
| === Hobbsee wonders if there are other alternatives to that | ||
| Hobbsee | to htdig that is | 04:47 |
| Hobbsee | unless someone wants to fix a hell of a lot of bugs | 04:48 |
| Jucato | so even if htdig gets included into main, if the khc_docbookdig.pl bug isn't fixed, khelpcenter still won't be able to build the Applications index right? | 04:48 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: there has to be a fix, because it is working fine in FC6 and OpenSUSE 10.2 | 04:49 |
| nixternal | that is if they are using htdig | 04:50 |
| nixternal | once i get my test system back up, i will see how they go about it | 04:50 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: that'd be helpful | 04:51 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: yes, but that's a quick fix. | 04:51 |
| Jucato | ah. | 04:51 |
| nixternal | right now debian netinst is loading up GNOME :/ | 04:51 |
| === Hobbsee might look for more patches, then get a sponsor for that | ||
| nixternal | Jucato: i patched the khc_docbookdig.pl file, and it loads htdig, but it outputs nothing but index.docbook xml parser errors | 04:52 |
| nixternal | which im guessing is an htdig issue | 04:52 |
| Jucato | on Edgy? | 04:52 |
| Jucato | I see to remember being able to successfully build the Applications index on Dapper, using Edgy's htdig. but now on edgy, after editing kch_docbookdig.pl, the index is still empty... | 04:53 |
| Jucato | s/see/seem | 04:53 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: the khc_docbookdig.pl patch needs to be fixed, no matter what is applied, right? | 04:53 |
| Hobbsee | and can you guys look for more bugs in kdebase that have patches attached? | 04:54 |
| nixternal | yes Hobbsee | 04:54 |
| Hobbsee | right | 04:54 |
| nixternal | which i thought got fixed for dapper | 04:54 |
| Hobbsee | there are lots of bugs here.. | 04:58 |
| Hobbsee | or if they've got simple fixes, so i can make a patch, or you guys can | 04:58 |
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| Hobbsee | do we want to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/60090 ? | 05:03 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 60090 in kdebase "Konqueror Archive Web Page tool no longer automatically converts spaces to underscores" [Unknown,Confirmed] | 05:03 |
| nixternal | i just fell asleep at the keyboard | 05:05 |
| Hobbsee | firefox leaves these as spaces, it seems | 05:05 |
| Hobbsee | wah...that looks harder to fix | 05:18 |
| nixternal | lol | 05:20 |
| nixternal | interesting, so there hasn't been any dev work on htdig since 2004 | 05:21 |
| nixternal | well thats not good | 05:21 |
| DaSkreech | :-) | 05:21 |
| Hobbsee | 3 dupes. nice | 05:25 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: yes, exactly | 05:25 |
| Hobbsee | make that 5 dupes | 05:27 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: there is no Fix is a spelling issue with the $kdekdehtmldir. it should be $kdehtmldir, which is an easy fix. | 05:29 |
| Hobbsee | there's no kdekdehtmldir | 05:29 |
| Hobbsee | that i can find | 05:29 |
| nixternal | correct | 05:29 |
| nixternal | it is supposed to be $kdehtmdir | 05:29 |
| Hobbsee | yes, but there's no $kdekdehtmldir | 05:29 |
| nixternal | correct, that is what needs to be fixed | 05:30 |
| Hobbsee | so it's supposed to go from $kdehtmldir --> $kdekdehtmldir or the other way around? | 05:30 |
| nixternal | other way around | 05:30 |
| nixternal | from $kdekde to $kde | 05:30 |
| Hobbsee | but there is no $kdekde though | 05:31 |
| Hobbsee | like, not in the source, as far as i can see | 05:31 |
| nixternal | it seems opensuse is using the 3.2.0b6 as well | 05:31 |
| nixternal | no, that is why there is the error, there is only $kdehtmldir | 05:31 |
| === Hobbsee notes that one suggested fix on one of the dupes is changing $kde to $kdekde | ||
| === Hobbsee is officially confused | ||
| Hobbsee | jdong: ping? | 05:33 |
| jdong | Hobbsee: attempting sleep; what's up? | 05:33 |
| Hobbsee | jdong: when did that "unmounting progress dialog box" get lost? | 05:33 |
| jdong | Hobbsee: I first noticed it in Edgy | 05:33 |
| jdong | Hobbsee: it was there in the official Dapper release | 05:34 |
| jdong | Hobbsee: someone has told me though that it was lost in kubuntu.org KDE update repos too | 05:34 |
| jdong | for dapper | 05:34 |
| jdong | Hobbsee: so I'm wagering a guess of KDE 3.5.4 or 3.5.5 | 05:34 |
| jdong | Hobbsee: it's also missing in all KDE distros that use >=3.5.4, including FC6 and OpenSuse 10.2 | 05:34 |
| Hobbsee | jdong: right, so it was upstream then. did you ever find the reasoning for removing it? | 05:35 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: i have the suse source with the security patches | 05:35 |
| jdong | Hobbsee: I've been unable to locate any upstream references to the dialog | 05:35 |
| jdong | Hobbsee: but I suck with dealing with KDE's BTS and such | 05:36 |
| jdong | Hobbsee: so don't trust me when I say this :D | 05:36 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 05:36 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: nice! | 05:36 |
| jdong | Hobbsee: but I will note | 05:36 |
| nixternal | cross-site-CAN-2005-0085.patch | 05:36 |
| jdong | FC6 and SUSE both mount their removable media sync | 05:36 |
| jdong | which lends to a near-instantaneous unmount | 05:36 |
| nixternal | there are a ton of patches | 05:36 |
| jdong | so they are not vulnerable to the same data loss we are | 05:37 |
| nixternal | 12 patches | 05:37 |
| Hobbsee | jdong: good point | 05:37 |
| jdong | Hobbsee: it has also been suggested that when we unmount, we first remount ro then unmount | 05:37 |
| jdong | Hobbsee: that way the mount point icon does not disappear until after the remount-ro succeeds | 05:37 |
| jdong | at which point it would indeed be safe to rip it out | 05:37 |
| Hobbsee | that's not a bad idea | 05:38 |
| Hobbsee | but does take longer | 05:38 |
| jdong | Hobbsee: there are some in the ubuntu camp very adamant about keeping removable media async | 05:38 |
| Hobbsee | i noticed, on the bug report. | 05:38 |
| jdong | Hobbsee: citing less wear-and-tear and greater percieved performance | 05:38 |
| === Hobbsee tries to remember async | ||
| Hobbsee | yeah | 05:38 |
| jdong | (opposite of sync) | 05:38 |
| jdong | the default | 05:38 |
| jdong | i.e. a writeback cache | 05:38 |
| Hobbsee | jdong: did you find any of the commits saying it? | 05:39 |
| jdong | i didn't think / didn't have to time to look there | 05:39 |
| Hobbsee | jdong: someone needs to - no one knows offhand | 05:40 |
| jdong | right | 05:40 |
| jdong | and since I'm a kludge with the KDE system of things | 05:40 |
| jdong | not me :) | 05:40 |
| Hobbsee | jdong: heh. well, i think hte commits have a search | 05:43 |
| Hobbsee | ervin is the man we want, he does that stuff | 05:43 |
| jdong | cool | 05:44 |
| jdong | I'm not keen on all the kde terminology | 05:44 |
| jdong | so I would be pretty ineffective at searching a commit log | 05:44 |
| jdong | (knowing what source fiels are responsible for the dialog would be a start) | 05:44 |
| jdong | probably in the end we'll find it was an unintentional regression | 05:44 |
| Hobbsee | "unmount" or "umount" would be a good start | 05:44 |
| jdong | hence someone with some KDE coding experience and svn annotate would be best :) | 05:45 |
| === Hobbsee doesnt code KDE | ||
| nixternal | Hobbsee: http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/stuff/htdig-3.2.0b6.tgz | 05:47 |
| nixternal | there is the suse version there | 05:48 |
| Hobbsee | ok | 05:48 |
| nixternal | i suggest extracting it in its own folder | 05:48 |
| nixternal | it will extract all of th patches, and the source.tar.bz2 | 05:49 |
| Hobbsee | wait to see what Riddell says, maybe. | 05:51 |
| Hobbsee | right | 05:51 |
| nixternal | roger dodger | 05:51 |
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| freeflying | Monitor and Display module in system-settings broken? anyone suffered this? | 06:04 |
| Hobbsee | yes | 06:05 |
| === Jucato is presuming feisty? | ||
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| Hobbsee | Jucato: i think so | 06:43 |
| Hobbsee | jdong: shameful | 06:43 |
| jdong | meh, who needs sleep anyway | 06:44 |
| Jucato | people who build flash against the wrong distro do :) | 06:44 |
| === Jucato runs and hides | ||
| jdong | @lart 15 Jucato | 06:45 |
| Jucato | bleh | 06:45 |
| jdong | aww where'd all the fun extensions go? | 06:45 |
| Jucato | Ubugtu doesn't work here :P | 06:45 |
| Hobbsee | they're not in here | 06:45 |
| jdong | that's cheap | 06:45 |
| Jucato | I guess they presumed that devs need Ubugtu to work, not to @lart people :P | 06:46 |
| jdong | it comes in handy at times though | 06:46 |
| === jdong looks pointedly at Jucato | ||
| Jucato | unfortunately... Hobbsee doesn't need Ubugtu to poke people... | 06:46 |
| === Jucato goes back to studying Linux Bible *2005*... | ||
| Hobbsee | haha | 06:47 |
| jdong | Jucato: yeah, I heard it covers the brand new 2.4.4 kernel with the brand-new quota support for ext2! | 06:48 |
| Jucato | jdong: I make do with what I have (or can buy...) | 06:49 |
| Jucato | 2006 edition waaay beyond my budget.. | 06:49 |
| jdong | hehe, I was just kidding | 06:49 |
| === jdong has basically never purchased a computer book anyway | ||
| === Jucato has a fetish for dead tree copies... even if he usually prefers to read books on his phone... | ||
| jdong | :) | 06:50 |
| === Jucato remembers Hobbsee's problem with khelpcenter/htdig again... and remembers how he hates it that khelpcenter in kubuntu is only half-functional... | ||
| jdong | me puts his patched ffmpeg to work encoding AAC's | 06:52 |
| Jucato | ooh nice | 06:52 |
| jdong | somewhere RMS is having a nightmare.... | 06:53 |
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| Hobbsee | Jucato: i'm wondering if the major-buggy thing is better | 06:53 |
| === jdong is amused that this new radar gun is clocking his desk lamp to be travelling at 25 miles per hour | ||
| Hobbsee | haha | 06:56 |
| jdong | don't it make ya feel GREAT to know they write you tickets based on this technology? ;-) | 06:56 |
| Jucato | lol | 06:56 |
| Jucato | glad we don't have those stuff here... | 06:56 |
| Jucato | we don't even have people to catch overspeeding drivers anyway lol | 06:57 |
| Hobbsee | we do | 06:57 |
| Jucato | we don't :) | 06:58 |
| jdong | pfft | 07:00 |
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| Jucato | wb Hobbsee | 07:07 |
| Hobbsee | ty | 07:08 |
| Hobbsee | forgot to actually turn the power on | 07:08 |
| Hobbsee | and i found a bug. nuisance | 07:11 |
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| Jucato | Hobbsee: why do we have 2 deKorator packages in feisty? (one of them doesn't show up in ubotu) | 07:41 |
| Jucato | dekorator (0.2) and kwin-style-dekorator (0.3) | 07:42 |
| Hobbsee | apt-cache show both of them | 07:42 |
| Hobbsee | one looks to be a module | 07:42 |
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| Jucato | Hobbsee: I just tried installing both of them. they are exactly the same. "dekorator" is the same version that is on Edgy | 07:43 |
| Jucato | (which strangely depends on gamin/libgamin) while kwin-style-dekorator is the newer 0.3 version (no other dependencies) | 07:44 |
| Jucato | by exactly the same, I mean they do the same thing, a pixmap-based window decoration | 07:44 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: better file a request to remove dekorator from the archive then | 07:45 |
| Hobbsee | give me the bug #, and i'll ack it | 07:45 |
| Jucato | lol! it's only now that I noticed that the package description for deKorator (edgy and feisty) are totally off | 07:46 |
| Jucato | file the request as a bug report? | 07:46 |
| Hobbsee | they're both from debian | 07:47 |
| Hobbsee | which is odd | 07:47 |
| Hobbsee | yeah | 07:47 |
| Hobbsee | under dekorator | 07:48 |
| Hobbsee | and check it has no rdepends | 07:48 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: did you do it, or did you want me to? | 07:52 |
| Jucato | doing it.. | 07:52 |
| Hobbsee | ok | 07:52 |
| Jucato | https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/dekorator/+bug/75437 | 07:53 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 75437 in dekorator "Request to remove dekorator from Feisty archives" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 07:53 |
| === Jucato always gets this weird "I hope I filed it right" feeling whenever he writes bug reports... | ||
| Jucato | dang! I knew I got the version wrong... it's supposed to be 0.3-1, not 0.3 only :( | 07:55 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: include that it has no rdepends, and ask for both source and binary to be removed | 07:56 |
| Jucato | oh. sorry... | 07:56 |
| Jucato | (what does having no rdepends mean?) | 07:56 |
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| Jucato | ah nothing is depending on that package, right? | 07:56 |
| Hobbsee | "apt-cache rdepends dekorator" and you'll see | 07:57 |
| Hobbsee | yup | 07:57 |
| Jucato | I had a temporary mental block there... :P | 07:57 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 07:57 |
| Jucato | depends == what it depends on; rdepends = what depends on it... | 07:57 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 07:58 |
| Hobbsee | ie reverse depends | 07:58 |
| Jucato | "The dekorator package has no rdepends. The request is for both source and binary to be removed." | 07:58 |
| Jucato | will that be enough? or need I add something more? | 07:59 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 07:59 |
| Hobbsee | that's fine | 07:59 |
| Jucato | heh thanks. | 07:59 |
| Hobbsee | sarah@sarah:~$ showsrc dekorator | grep Binary | 07:59 |
| Hobbsee | Binary: dekorator | 07:59 |
| Hobbsee | oh good, there's only one binary | 07:59 |
| Hobbsee | to stop the "oh crap, i got x removed, which deleted y, but i wanted y! | 07:59 |
| Jucato | lol | 08:00 |
| Jucato | sorry for the sudden interest in dekorator. for some unknown reason, I just thought about dekorator on feisty and ran into that... | 08:00 |
| Hobbsee | it's fine :) | 08:01 |
| Hobbsee | it's better that it gets attention | 08:01 |
| === Hobbsee acks, and subscribes ubuntu-archive | ||
| Jucato | heh kool, it appeared in #ubuntu-bugs immediately :P | 08:02 |
| Hobbsee | yep :) | 08:02 |
| Hobbsee | right, that should be removed wiht the next lot of syncs, etc | 08:02 |
| Jucato | thanks :) | 08:03 |
| Hobbsee | not a problem :) | 08:04 |
| Hobbsee | thank you :) | 08:04 |
| Jucato | glad to help | 08:06 |
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| === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Congrats to Raphink and Tonio | Merge ! http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/+specs | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings | ||
| === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Thu Dec 7 11:28:18 2006 | ||
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| kwwii | moin | 01:19 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii!!!! | 01:19 |
| Hobbsee | hello shiny-maker :) | 01:19 |
| kwwii | howdy Hobbsee | 01:19 |
| kwwii | hehe | 01:19 |
| Jucato | hi kwwii! | 01:19 |
| kwwii | and after my vacation in Berlin I actually feel like making things shiny again :p | 01:20 |
| Jucato | lol | 01:20 |
| Jucato | go go oxygen! :) | 01:20 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: yay! | 01:20 |
| Zerlinna | hi kwwii :) | 01:20 |
| Hobbsee | Zerlinna!!!! | 01:20 |
| Hobbsee | didnt see you lurking | 01:21 |
| Zerlinna | :-) Hobbsee | 01:21 |
| raphink | hi Zerlinna && Hobbsee | 01:22 |
| Hobbsee | hey raphink | 01:22 |
| raphink | && kwwii | 01:22 |
| raphink | :) | 01:22 |
| raphink | kwwii: Makefile still stuck in utils/ ? | 01:22 |
| Zerlinna | salut raphink :) | 01:22 |
| raphink | salut :) | 01:22 |
| raphink | if anyone needs builds | 01:24 |
| raphink | I just set a fast feisty pbuilder :) | 01:24 |
| raphink | (can't give access though) | 01:24 |
| Jucato | kwwii: is it ok to take the Kubuntu logo (edgy version) and make an icon/button for it? or are there some legal things I need to consider? | 01:24 |
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| kwwii | Jucato: should be fine to make another logo out of it | 01:30 |
| kwwii | raphink: yes, it is in Utils | 01:30 |
| raphink | :( | 01:30 |
| kwwii | sorry, my wife and kid just came home | 01:30 |
| Jucato | kwwii: kool thanks! | 01:30 |
| raphink | does that mean nobody tested it kwwii? | 01:30 |
| kwwii | raphink: oh no, several people have tested it | 01:30 |
| === Jucato actually already made one, but is quite hesitant to "release"... | ||
| kwwii | the biggest problem yet is that we do not build packages for Oxygen yet...that should be coming sometime soon though | 01:31 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: ie, we should? or that we are, but shouldnt be? | 01:34 |
| raphink | Hobbsee: should't | 01:34 |
| Riddell | Jucato: it's creative commons licence | 01:34 |
| kwwii | Hobbsee: until we make the official release we shouldn't | 01:34 |
| kwwii | Riddell: not yet it isn't :-) | 01:35 |
| kwwii | it will be CC when it first comes out | 01:35 |
| Riddell | kwwii: the kubuntu logo is | 01:35 |
| Jucato | the one made by kwwii for Edgy? | 01:35 |
| kwwii | oops, sorry | 01:35 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: correct. was just checking which th eproblem was | 01:35 |
| Riddell | Jucato: well the ubuntu logo is so all derivates are | 01:35 |
| Jucato | ah ok | 01:35 |
| Riddell | Jucato: and it's trademarked if you're going to trade/brand stuff with it | 01:36 |
| kwwii | Riddell: which CC license is it under? | 01:36 |
| Riddell | kwwii: sharealike 2.5, yes commercial | 01:36 |
| Riddell | as I remember | 01:36 |
| kwwii | cool | 01:36 |
| Riddell | debian/copyright in k-d-s will reveal all | 01:36 |
| kwwii | as long as there is no "no-derivs" clause it is ok to modify it, etc. | 01:37 |
| Riddell | we like derivatives :) | 01:37 |
| Jucato | well, I didn't actually modify it... I just put a square button behind it :P | 01:37 |
| kwwii | sounds like a kmenu icon to me :p | 01:38 |
| Jucato | heh it is :D | 01:38 |
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| Jucato | um... excuse me, I was just wondering why the other Konqueror profiles have been removed from the Debian package (starting KDE 3.5.2)? | 02:12 |
| Riddell | they were removed from the kubuntu packaging | 02:13 |
| Riddell | mostly because they were useless | 02:14 |
| Riddell | in our humble opinion | 02:14 |
| Jucato | heh :) | 02:14 |
| Jucato | well, some people were asking about it. and since they've been removed from the package itself, the FAQ on our site isn't that accurate anymore (for Dapper and Edgy). | 02:15 |
| Hobbsee | is there any harm in distributing it, for those crazy pepole that like it? | 02:16 |
| Jucato | unless there's a huge problem in file size? (which I doubt) | 02:16 |
| Riddell | having optinions in the menu that aren't any use is bad usability | 02:17 |
| Jucato | I'm currently hosting those 4 profiles and providing some instructions on how to put them back. but it would probably be best if Kubuntu would officially do that (or inform them that they've been removed?) | 02:17 |
| Jucato | but they're not visible/enabled by default anyway, right? | 02:18 |
| Riddell | they are | 02:18 |
| Jucato | huh? I thought they weren't. hence the FAQ on restoring Konqueror to the default | 02:18 |
| Jucato | http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#konqueror | 02:19 |
| Riddell | they are for me | 02:20 |
| Riddell | they were put back in edgy as I remember, maybe dapper | 02:20 |
| Jucato | hm... | 02:21 |
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| Jucato | what was put back in Edgy (or Dapper)? | 02:22 |
| Riddell | the load/save profile menu items | 02:23 |
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| Jucato | yes, but not the profiles themselves. as long as the system uses konqueror.rc from the k-d-s directory, they won't see the other profiles that are in /usr. that's why the faq says to delete that file in k-d-s. (afaik) | 02:25 |
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| mhb | afternoon all | 03:24 |
| Jucato | hi mhb | 03:24 |
| pinheiro | hi mhb | 03:26 |
| Jucato | btw, mhb congratulations on becoming a member. (forgot to do that last meeting) | 03:27 |
| mhb | Jucato: thanks | 03:27 |
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| kwwii | hehe, kmail keeps shows that it is at "-1%" | 03:43 |
| Jucato | :O | 03:45 |
| nixternal | i just noticed aftering install Kubuntu 7.04 on an extfs3 partition, it now reports it as ext2fs | 03:53 |
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| seaLne | Riddell: ping | 04:04 |
| Riddell | hi seaLne | 04:04 |
| seaLne | Riddell: last year you added a patch to k3b that instead of using kdepotpath=${includedir:-`kde-config --expandvars --install include`}/kde.pot | 04:05 |
| seaLne | was hard coded to kdepotpath=/usr/include/kde/kde.pot which seem the same to me | 04:05 |
| seaLne | Riddell: is it maybe just that it used to be different? | 04:06 |
| seaLne | ah actually i see now | 04:08 |
| Riddell | >kde-config --expandvars --install include | 04:08 |
| Riddell | /usr/include/kde | 04:08 |
| Riddell | hmm | 04:08 |
| seaLne | i was mis reading that with the next line | 04:08 |
| seaLne | if ! test -f $kdepotpath; then | 04:08 |
| seaLne | kdepotpath=`kde-config --expandvars --prefix`/include/kde.pot | 04:08 |
| seaLne | fi | 04:08 |
| seaLne | which i think fixes what you were trying to change? | 04:08 |
| Riddell | it's definately needed for various versions of the admin/ directory | 04:09 |
| Riddell | you can test it in a pbuilder but only if you can work out how to get the pbuilder not to delete its tree at the end of the build | 04:10 |
| seaLne | oops sorry i think it is still needed just read a bit more | 04:10 |
| seaLne | hmm or not, ok i'm more confused, i think it didn't help that i was distracted there, so aslong as kdepotpath ends up as /usr/include/kde/kde.pot its fine | 04:11 |
| Riddell | /should/ do | 04:14 |
| Riddell | but it's hard to check if something goes wrong since the .pot files don't get installed, they just get magically sucked out of the buildds and sent to rosetta | 04:15 |
| seaLne | ok, i'll update that patch just to be sure | 04:16 |
| Riddell | seaLne: is this k3b 1.0 rc ? | 04:17 |
| seaLne | yeah | 04:17 |
| Riddell | anything noticably new in it? | 04:17 |
| seaLne | only got to the stage of redoing patches and seeing the those differences | 04:18 |
| allee | I thought Tonio did a digikam0.9.2-rc merge for feisty? But 0.8.2 is latest in archive. What happened? | 04:27 |
| allee | 0.9.0-rc2 that is | 04:27 |
| Riddell | allee: dep wait https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/+source/digikam/1:0.9.0~rc2-0ubuntu2 | 04:29 |
| Riddell | let's poke pitti | 04:29 |
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| Riddell | community council in 25 mins, I wonder who the new nominations will be | 04:37 |
| Riddell | and UK loco team approval, I wonder if they even know I started it | 04:38 |
| seaLne | :) | 04:38 |
| Riddell | seaLne: did you send me an invoice for two t-shirts for croatian user group? | 04:42 |
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| seaLne | yeah | 04:44 |
| Riddell | so you did, thanks | 04:44 |
| Riddell | I'll send you 60 quid by BACS | 04:44 |
| seaLne | ta | 04:45 |
| seaLne | so who were the croations? | 04:45 |
| seaLne | croatians even | 04:45 |
| Riddell | members of the audience who were either using Kubuntu or were going to after my inspiring talk | 04:46 |
| seaLne | ah :) | 04:46 |
| malix0 | hi I discover a bug (I think) or a misconfiguration on kubuntu | 04:46 |
| Riddell | malix0: let's hear it | 04:46 |
| malix0 | I have 4 computer 2 laptop and 2 notebook with kubuntu Edgy, but 3 are upgrade from Dapper and 1 a fresh Edgy install | 04:47 |
| malix0 | on the 3 upgraded from Dapper the logout dialog don't show icons, as the fresh installed one does | 04:48 |
| malix0 | and I can't find the way to get icons displayed | 04:49 |
| Riddell | malix0: do you have /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/22x22/actions/hibernate.png | 04:49 |
| malix0 | Riddell: let me check | 04:49 |
| Riddell | and pastebin apt-cache policy kdebase and apt-cache policy kdelibs | 04:49 |
| malix0 | Riddell: no I don't have this | 04:50 |
| Jucato | malix0: do other buttons in KDE show icons? | 04:50 |
| malix0 | for example | 04:50 |
| malix0 | Riddell: where I can look? | 04:51 |
| Jucato | malix0: do other buttons in dialog boxes show icons? like Save or Cancel or Close? | 04:52 |
| malix0 | Riddell: Ok I find System Sittings General and Advanced button have text and icons | 04:52 |
| Riddell | that's different | 04:52 |
| Riddell | do Ok and Cancel buttons have icons on them? | 04:53 |
| allee | Riddell: thx | 04:53 |
| seaLne | can i remove a postinst if it only has tests to see if the version is an extremly old version (0.10.3-1) then does stuff? | 04:54 |
| malix0 | Riddell: I try kate and no icons on a dialog that ask if I want to save unsaved file | 04:54 |
| Jucato | malix0: launch System Settings, go to Appearance -> Style, then check the "Show icons on buttons" option, click on Apply. then check the logout box again | 04:55 |
| Riddell | seaLne: if that version is only pre dapper yes | 04:55 |
| Riddell | but not if the version is in dapper or edgy | 04:55 |
| seaLne | its pre ubuntu :) | 04:56 |
| malix0 | Riddell: I enable the option but no icons | 04:56 |
| Riddell | seaLne: scrap it then if you want | 04:56 |
| malix0 | Riddell: may be I need to relogin? | 04:59 |
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| Riddell | maybe | 04:59 |
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| malix0 | Riddell: Ok now that I logout and relogin the icons appear, thank you very much :) | 05:07 |
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| Riddell | nixternal: any idea what's happened to burg and/or UWN? | 05:22 |
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| dholbach | heya | 05:29 |
| dholbach | I have a request for you noble lords of kubuntu: | 05:31 |
| dholbach | <DarkShock> I will tell you this afternoon about Avatar support in gabble as I implement them in Kopete | 05:31 |
| dholbach | <dholbach> DarkShock: do you have a telepathy branch of that somewhere? | 05:31 |
| dholbach | <dholbach> DarkShock: I should get the kubuntu guys to package it too - that'd be so cool | 05:31 |
| dholbach | <DarkShock> dholbach: it is in KDE svn trunk, you need KDE4 kdelibs | 05:31 |
| dholbach | <DarkShock> dholbach: implemented as a plugin | 05:31 |
| dholbach | It'd be great if we could get that into feisty and do regular checkouts - what do you think? | 05:31 |
| nixternal | Riddell: can't say that I know..haven't been following..i will look into it here in a bit | 05:32 |
| nixternal | im currently watching people debate the LCoC..good reading :) | 05:33 |
| Riddell | dholbach: KDE 4 kdelibs is unstable, it would need that being build at the same time | 05:34 |
| dholbach | hm, I see | 05:35 |
| dholbach | do we have it in the archive already? | 05:35 |
| dholbach | can I have kdelibs 3 and kdelibs4 installed at the same time? | 05:35 |
| Riddell | dholbach: yes you can, but the packages we have are out of date (only by a couple months, but the API change is rapid enough that it won't work with an SVN checkout) | 05:36 |
| dholbach | do we have stuff that builds with it? | 05:37 |
| Riddell | packages are at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.2.php | 05:37 |
| Riddell | dholbach: stuff that builds with what? | 05:37 |
| dholbach | packages build-depending on kdelibs4 | 05:37 |
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| Riddell | dholbach: no, only kdepimlibs and kdebase at the URL above | 05:38 |
| Riddell | dholbach: I made those with the last KDE 4 snapshot | 05:38 |
| dholbach | ah ok, a pity they are still that unstable :) | 05:39 |
| Riddell | dholbach: according to our kde 4 spec we should be making KDE 4 packages for everything in mainline KDE for feisty, so I expect to be doing more packaging of it in the new year | 05:39 |
| Riddell | which can include kopete stuff as appropriate | 05:40 |
| dholbach | that's cool - if nobody else'd step up, I'd look at packaging the kopete plugin | 05:40 |
| dholbach | though I'd prefer let somebody handle it who has more of a clue about KDE | 05:40 |
| dholbach | I already packaged tapioca-qt and decibel, which made me feel weird ;-) | 05:40 |
| Riddell | :) | 05:40 |
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| dholbach | you rock | 05:41 |
| Riddell | I managed to work out what telepathy is at UDS, but didn't get as far as working out what tapioca-qt and decibel do | 05:41 |
| dholbach | tapioca-qt is a library on top of telepathy-qt, written by the nokia technology institute | 05:42 |
| dholbach | http://tapioca-voip.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Tapioca | 05:42 |
| dholbach | http://decibel.kde.org/ is a framework on top of that ... "meant to integrate traditional phone services with VoIP and instant messaging": http://decibel.kde.org/ | 05:43 |
| dholbach | hunger works on decibel | 05:44 |
| Riddell | ooh, does he now | 05:44 |
| Riddell | all seems a bit like layers on top of layers without much reason | 05:44 |
| dholbach | decibel and tapioca-qt still are sitting in NEW | 05:44 |
| Riddell | let me know when they pass, I can do a quick blog so the news reaches planes.kde | 05:45 |
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| Riddell | planet.kde | 05:45 |
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| dholbach | will do | 05:46 |
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| Riddell | fdoving: where's your kopete package again? | 05:48 |
| bddebian | Heya | 05:49 |
| dholbach | Riddell: but the kopete plugin will only use tapioca-qt (not decibel) | 05:50 |
| fdoving | Riddell: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/edgy/updates/kopete/ - my .changes might be wrong too. | 05:51 |
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| serzholino | h1204 | 06:01 |
| serzholino | sorry, wrong window | 06:01 |
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| seaLne | what would be a version number equivalent to 1.0rc1-0ubuntu1 but that wouldn't get complaints due to the 1 in rc1? | 06:28 |
| fdoving | 0.9.9~1.0rc1-0ubuntu1C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C | 06:40 |
| fdoving | ehm. | 06:40 |
| fdoving | 0.9.9~1.0rc1-0ubuntu1 | 06:40 |
| fdoving | maybe? | 06:40 |
| fdoving | that's what i do for beta and rc pacakges. | 06:41 |
| seaLne | ok | 06:43 |
| fdoving | that way 1.0 final can have a proper version too. | 06:43 |
| fdoving | as 0.9.9 will be lower. | 06:43 |
| seaLne | i still get the complaints about tgz tho | 06:44 |
| fdoving | what complaints? | 06:44 |
| seaLne | This package has a Debian revision number but there does not seem to be | 06:44 |
| seaLne | an appropriate original tar file or .orig directory in the parent directory; | 06:44 |
| seaLne | (expected k3b_0.99~1.0rc1.orig.tar.gz or k3b-1.0rc1.orig) | 06:44 |
| fdoving | does it make a .diff.gz ? | 06:45 |
| fdoving | if it does, ignore that warning. | 06:45 |
| seaLne | it also creates a new tgz with package name | 06:45 |
| fdoving | ah.. | 06:45 |
| fdoving | then it doesn't create a .diff.gz either. | 06:45 |
| fdoving | rename the orig.tar.gz to k3b_0.99~1.0rc1.orig.tar.gz then. | 06:46 |
| seaLne | ok, i thought there was something strange, k | 06:46 |
| seaLne | and remaining strange problem (i haven't built a package for a few months): | 06:48 |
| seaLne | gpg: cancelled by user | 06:48 |
| seaLne | gpg: skipped "Kenny Duffus <kenny@duffus.org>": bad passphrase | 06:48 |
| seaLne | gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: bad passphrase | 06:48 |
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| seaLne | from debuild -S -sa | 06:49 |
| fdoving | are you running gpg-agent? | 06:52 |
| seaLne | not sure | 06:52 |
| seaLne | yes | 06:53 |
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| seaLne | interesting i killed and restarted gpg-agent and now i get: | 06:55 |
| seaLne | can't connect to `/tmp/gpg-3uENk2/S.gpg-agent': No such file or directory | 06:55 |
| seaLne | gpg: can't connect to `/tmp/gpg-3uENk2/S.gpg-agent': connect failed | 06:55 |
| seaLne | and am prompted for password | 06:55 |
| seaLne | weird it seems to be /tmp/gpg-MxaxBS/S.gpg-agent | 06:56 |
| sebas | seaLne: gpg-agent leaves some pointer to a socket in the env, which is not there if you don't start it from .kde/env or something like that. | 06:58 |
| seaLne | ah ok | 06:58 |
| sebas | miro.sebas(~): cat .kde/env/gpgagent.sh 18:58:46 | 06:58 |
| sebas | eval "$(gpg-agent --daemon)" | 06:58 |
| sebas | Do it like this | 06:58 |
| sebas | GPG_AGENT_INFO=/tmp/gpg-bNjrVs/S.gpg-agent:3877:1 | 06:59 |
| sebas | That's what I have. | 06:59 |
| seaLne | exporting the correct path makes it fail silently | 07:00 |
| seaLne | i wonder if this is also my problem with kmail | 07:00 |
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| mhb | are there any emblem possibilities in KDE/Kubuntu? | 08:47 |
| mhb | in my very humble opinion marking most of the directories in / with emblems as "system" would not be a bad solution (sorry if it was discussed already) | 08:49 |
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| laszlok | i just upgraded to feisty, and there is no lipstick theme. Is this the packages or just my computer being stupid? | 08:56 |
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| allee | Riddell: why did you keep this change for libkipi: | 10:31 |
| allee | -debian/tmp/usr/share/locale | 10:31 |
| allee | +debian/tmp/usr/share/locale/*/LC_MESSAGES/libkipi.mo | 10:31 |
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| allee | Riddell: the matching files are identical. | 10:32 |
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| oslo | does someone success to use gmailfs ?? | 11:09 |
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| danimo | heya! | 12:04 |
| danimo | does anyone feel like adding this as a convinient default solution somehow: http://daniel.molkentin.de/blog/index.php?/archives/62-Developing-KDE-4-Inside-a-KDE-3-Session.html | 12:07 |
| allee | Showfoto 0.9 rc2 crashes here on startup. Does it work for others? | 12:13 |
| allee | ^^ my rebuild on edgy | 12:13 |
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