[12:18] We want screenshots! [12:18] congrats :) [12:18] I feel proud :) [12:18] please don't ask for a Dapper backport of it unless you do it and upload it and I stand by and nod my head :D [12:20] once sec..i just deleted it [12:20] haha [12:21] nixternal: no probs, just restore my backups on your system and 10 bucks your old files will pop up [12:21] har har === jdong sucks at backing up and random files seem to magically appear :D === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-009-171.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:28] http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/stuff/hello.png [12:28] there is the screeny of it :) [12:29] hehe nice :) [12:29] heh irssi :P [12:30] nixternal: oh cool, good job on the IRC app, I especially like how you coded a compositing manager to make it transparent, too! [12:30] ;-) === Jucato mmmm... oats... [12:34] nixternal: are you following/using/reading a tutorial/guide/book? [12:34] ya [12:34] i bought the C++ GUI Programming With Qt4 book [12:35] ooooh [12:35] it is like $40 USD on Amazon [12:35] hm... [12:35] might ask my aunt in NY to buy me some books... :) [12:35] dunno how much it will cost if I buy from Amazon... or if my mom will allow me to use her debit card at all :P === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:41] first book that doesn't teach the Hello World program first [12:41] instead, it teaches Hello Qt instead ;) [12:42] lol [12:42] rich has just upset the entire balance in the universe [12:42] hahahahha [12:42] i have upset my other computer by installing FC6 on it apparently [12:43] :O [12:43] and now he has gone and exploded the universe. 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[04:04] hey Jucato! === DaSkreech [n=skreech@port0002-abm-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:06] Hobbsee: How goes? [04:07] DaSkreech: it goes. and it updates [04:07] :) [04:07] i survived work, too [04:07] i think the boss learnt the hard way that i dont lie, and just call in sick when i want the day off - i really shouldnt be working [04:09] Hobbsee: you're sick now? [04:09] Overall non trust of emplayees or just a jerk? [04:10] Jucato: yeah - major sunburn [04:10] ouch... [04:11] i'm the one who usually covers when others call in sick [04:11] hence, when i call in sick, i really am sick [04:15] Well you really getting sick sure taught him ... I think [04:15] how'd you get sunburned? [04:16] DaSkreech: From being out in the snow all day [04:16] walking along the beach [04:16] her === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:16] Hawkwind: Yeah that reflection is a bugger to deal with when you are in the nude [04:16] Hah [04:16] There was this one time I... but you don't want to hear about that [04:16] You're right, I don't [04:17] :P [04:23] nixternal: ping? [04:23] Hawkwind: can you help with a X tunnel? [04:24] !info htdig feisty [04:24] htdig: WWW search system for an intranet or small internet. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:3.2.0b6-1 (edgy), package size 1781 kB, installed size 6328 kB [04:24] damn === Hobbsee looks for how to file main inclusion reports === Hobbsee thinks this bug has gone on long enough [04:29] htdig not being installed by default? [04:29] Jucato: yes it's in universe, and its' needed for index building for kdebase [04:29] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/75317 is one such bug [04:29] Malone bug 75317 in kdebase "[KHelpCenter] Build Search Index Broke" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [04:30] yeah. been there since Dapper (or Breezy) [04:30] ewww, this looks complex [04:30] but there's also a related KDE bug that prevents the index from being built, even with htdig installed, caused by a typo... === Jucato looks for the bug [04:30] yeah, found that [04:30] was going to fix this before, but didnt want to follow the MIR [04:31] Riddell: know of any reason why htdig isnt being installed by default? [04:31] s/follow/file/ [04:34] Hobbsee: pongers? [04:34] nixternal: your bug @ htdig [04:34] nixternal: want to help me file the MIR? [04:34] sure [04:35] nixternal: check the security stuff on it? [04:36] on htdig? [04:36] it is more than htdig, it is still broken even with htdig, and the $kdekdehtmldir changed to $kdehtmldir [04:36] yes [04:36] i have been looking at SuSE's KHelpCenter because it works ootb and initializes the first time it opens [04:36] ah yes, it's that bug I was thinking of... [04:36] yeah, but that doesnt require a MIR, and that will take longer to go thru [04:37] shoot, there are at least 10+ bugs reported on kde, each worded differently [04:37] yeah [04:37] and there's another bug on malone about it, with heaps of confirms [04:37] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportHtdig [04:38] uh oh [04:38] http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=htdig [04:40] nixternal: this one? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126804 [04:40] KDE bug 126804 in general "cannot create index: "requires explicit package name"" [Normal,New] [04:41] strike... [04:41] that's not going to get thru... [04:41] we are fine with Edgy and Feisty with htdig not being included in that CVE [04:42] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=htdig === neoncode [n=neoncode@89.241.179.3] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:43] i *knew* it was likely to be bad when it was maintained by debian QA [04:43] jeesh === Hobbsee wonders if there are other alternatives to that [04:47] to htdig that is [04:48] unless someone wants to fix a hell of a lot of bugs [04:48] so even if htdig gets included into main, if the khc_docbookdig.pl bug isn't fixed, khelpcenter still won't be able to build the Applications index right? [04:49] Hobbsee: there has to be a fix, because it is working fine in FC6 and OpenSUSE 10.2 [04:50] that is if they are using htdig [04:50] once i get my test system back up, i will see how they go about it [04:51] nixternal: that'd be helpful [04:51] Jucato: yes, but that's a quick fix. [04:51] ah. [04:51] right now debian netinst is loading up GNOME :/ === Hobbsee might look for more patches, then get a sponsor for that [04:52] Jucato: i patched the khc_docbookdig.pl file, and it loads htdig, but it outputs nothing but index.docbook xml parser errors [04:52] which im guessing is an htdig issue [04:52] on Edgy? [04:53] I see to remember being able to successfully build the Applications index on Dapper, using Edgy's htdig. but now on edgy, after editing kch_docbookdig.pl, the index is still empty... [04:53] s/see/seem [04:53] nixternal: the khc_docbookdig.pl patch needs to be fixed, no matter what is applied, right? [04:54] and can you guys look for more bugs in kdebase that have patches attached? [04:54] yes Hobbsee [04:54] right [04:54] which i thought got fixed for dapper [04:58] there are lots of bugs here.. [04:58] or if they've got simple fixes, so i can make a patch, or you guys can === _neoncode [n=neoncode@84.13.135.150] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:03] do we want to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/60090 ? [05:03] Malone bug 60090 in kdebase "Konqueror Archive Web Page tool no longer automatically converts spaces to underscores" [Unknown,Confirmed] [05:05] i just fell asleep at the keyboard [05:05] firefox leaves these as spaces, it seems [05:18] wah...that looks harder to fix [05:20] lol [05:21] interesting, so there hasn't been any dev work on htdig since 2004 [05:21] well thats not good [05:21] :-) [05:25] 3 dupes. nice [05:25] nixternal: yes, exactly [05:27] make that 5 dupes [05:29] nixternal: there is no Fix is a spelling issue with the $kdekdehtmldir. it should be $kdehtmldir, which is an easy fix. [05:29] there's no kdekdehtmldir [05:29] that i can find [05:29] correct [05:29] it is supposed to be $kdehtmdir [05:29] yes, but there's no $kdekdehtmldir [05:30] correct, that is what needs to be fixed [05:30] so it's supposed to go from $kdehtmldir --> $kdekdehtmldir or the other way around? [05:30] other way around [05:30] from $kdekde to $kde [05:31] but there is no $kdekde though [05:31] like, not in the source, as far as i can see [05:31] it seems opensuse is using the 3.2.0b6 as well [05:31] no, that is why there is the error, there is only $kdehtmldir === Hobbsee notes that one suggested fix on one of the dupes is changing $kde to $kdekde === Hobbsee is officially confused [05:33] jdong: ping? [05:33] Hobbsee: attempting sleep; what's up? [05:33] jdong: when did that "unmounting progress dialog box" get lost? [05:33] Hobbsee: I first noticed it in Edgy [05:34] Hobbsee: it was there in the official Dapper release [05:34] Hobbsee: someone has told me though that it was lost in kubuntu.org KDE update repos too [05:34] for dapper [05:34] Hobbsee: so I'm wagering a guess of KDE 3.5.4 or 3.5.5 [05:34] Hobbsee: it's also missing in all KDE distros that use >=3.5.4, including FC6 and OpenSuse 10.2 [05:35] jdong: right, so it was upstream then. did you ever find the reasoning for removing it? [05:35] Hobbsee: i have the suse source with the security patches [05:35] Hobbsee: I've been unable to locate any upstream references to the dialog [05:36] Hobbsee: but I suck with dealing with KDE's BTS and such [05:36] Hobbsee: so don't trust me when I say this :D [05:36] hehe [05:36] nixternal: nice! [05:36] Hobbsee: but I will note [05:36] cross-site-CAN-2005-0085.patch [05:36] FC6 and SUSE both mount their removable media sync [05:36] which lends to a near-instantaneous unmount [05:36] there are a ton of patches [05:37] so they are not vulnerable to the same data loss we are [05:37] 12 patches [05:37] jdong: good point [05:37] Hobbsee: it has also been suggested that when we unmount, we first remount ro then unmount [05:37] Hobbsee: that way the mount point icon does not disappear until after the remount-ro succeeds [05:37] at which point it would indeed be safe to rip it out [05:38] that's not a bad idea [05:38] but does take longer [05:38] Hobbsee: there are some in the ubuntu camp very adamant about keeping removable media async [05:38] i noticed, on the bug report. [05:38] Hobbsee: citing less wear-and-tear and greater percieved performance === Hobbsee tries to remember async [05:38] yeah [05:38] (opposite of sync) [05:38] the default [05:38] i.e. a writeback cache [05:39] jdong: did you find any of the commits saying it? [05:39] i didn't think / didn't have to time to look there [05:40] jdong: someone needs to - no one knows offhand [05:40] right [05:40] and since I'm a kludge with the KDE system of things [05:40] not me :) [05:43] jdong: heh. well, i think hte commits have a search [05:43] ervin is the man we want, he does that stuff [05:44] cool [05:44] I'm not keen on all the kde terminology [05:44] so I would be pretty ineffective at searching a commit log [05:44] (knowing what source fiels are responsible for the dialog would be a start) [05:44] probably in the end we'll find it was an unintentional regression [05:44] "unmount" or "umount" would be a good start [05:45] hence someone with some KDE coding experience and svn annotate would be best :) === Hobbsee doesnt code KDE [05:47] Hobbsee: http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/stuff/htdig-3.2.0b6.tgz [05:48] there is the suse version there [05:48] ok [05:48] i suggest extracting it in its own folder [05:49] it will extract all of th patches, and the source.tar.bz2 [05:51] wait to see what Riddell says, maybe. [05:51] right [05:51] roger dodger === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:04] Monitor and Display module in system-settings broken? anyone suffered this? [06:05] yes === Jucato is presuming feisty? === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@59.92.69.119] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong wakes up, subconsciously checks his e-mail, and climbs back in bed [06:43] Jucato: i think so [06:43] jdong: shameful [06:44] meh, who needs sleep anyway [06:44] people who build flash against the wrong distro do :) === Jucato runs and hides [06:45] @lart 15 Jucato [06:45] bleh [06:45] aww where'd all the fun extensions go? [06:45] Ubugtu doesn't work here :P [06:45] they're not in here [06:45] that's cheap [06:46] I guess they presumed that devs need Ubugtu to work, not to @lart people :P [06:46] it comes in handy at times though === jdong looks pointedly at Jucato [06:46] unfortunately... Hobbsee doesn't need Ubugtu to poke people... === Jucato goes back to studying Linux Bible *2005*... [06:47] haha [06:48] Jucato: yeah, I heard it covers the brand new 2.4.4 kernel with the brand-new quota support for ext2! [06:49] jdong: I make do with what I have (or can buy...) [06:49] 2006 edition waaay beyond my budget.. [06:49] hehe, I was just kidding === jdong has basically never purchased a computer book anyway === Jucato has a fetish for dead tree copies... even if he usually prefers to read books on his phone... [06:50] :) === Jucato remembers Hobbsee's problem with khelpcenter/htdig again... and remembers how he hates it that khelpcenter in kubuntu is only half-functional... [06:52] me puts his patched ffmpeg to work encoding AAC's [06:52] ooh nice [06:53] somewhere RMS is having a nightmare.... === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:53] Jucato: i'm wondering if the major-buggy thing is better === jdong is amused that this new radar gun is clocking his desk lamp to be travelling at 25 miles per hour [06:56] haha [06:56] don't it make ya feel GREAT to know they write you tickets based on this technology? ;-) [06:56] lol [06:56] glad we don't have those stuff here... [06:57] we don't even have people to catch overspeeding drivers anyway lol [06:57] we do [06:58] we don't :) [07:00] pfft === jdong continues reading schematics, wondering if the gun is defective === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@p508F0033.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:07] wb Hobbsee [07:08] ty [07:08] forgot to actually turn the power on [07:11] and i found a bug. nuisance === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === imbrandon [n=brandon@voyager.imbrandon.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66.252.48.95] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:41] Hobbsee: why do we have 2 deKorator packages in feisty? (one of them doesn't show up in ubotu) [07:42] dekorator (0.2) and kwin-style-dekorator (0.3) [07:42] apt-cache show both of them [07:42] one looks to be a module === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@59.92.80.196] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:43] Hobbsee: I just tried installing both of them. they are exactly the same. "dekorator" is the same version that is on Edgy [07:44] (which strangely depends on gamin/libgamin) while kwin-style-dekorator is the newer 0.3 version (no other dependencies) [07:44] by exactly the same, I mean they do the same thing, a pixmap-based window decoration [07:45] Jucato: better file a request to remove dekorator from the archive then [07:45] give me the bug #, and i'll ack it [07:46] lol! it's only now that I noticed that the package description for deKorator (edgy and feisty) are totally off [07:46] file the request as a bug report? [07:47] they're both from debian [07:47] which is odd [07:47] yeah [07:48] under dekorator [07:48] and check it has no rdepends [07:52] Jucato: did you do it, or did you want me to? [07:52] doing it.. [07:52] ok [07:53] https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/dekorator/+bug/75437 [07:53] Malone bug 75437 in dekorator "Request to remove dekorator from Feisty archives" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] === Jucato always gets this weird "I hope I filed it right" feeling whenever he writes bug reports... [07:55] dang! I knew I got the version wrong... it's supposed to be 0.3-1, not 0.3 only :( [07:56] Jucato: include that it has no rdepends, and ask for both source and binary to be removed [07:56] oh. sorry... [07:56] (what does having no rdepends mean?) === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:56] ah nothing is depending on that package, right? [07:57] "apt-cache rdepends dekorator" and you'll see [07:57] yup [07:57] I had a temporary mental block there... :P [07:57] :) [07:57] depends == what it depends on; rdepends = what depends on it... [07:58] yep [07:58] ie reverse depends [07:58] "The dekorator package has no rdepends. The request is for both source and binary to be removed." [07:59] will that be enough? or need I add something more? [07:59] yep [07:59] that's fine [07:59] heh thanks. [07:59] sarah@sarah:~$ showsrc dekorator | grep Binary [07:59] Binary: dekorator [07:59] oh good, there's only one binary [07:59] to stop the "oh crap, i got x removed, which deleted y, but i wanted y! [08:00] lol [08:00] sorry for the sudden interest in dekorator. for some unknown reason, I just thought about dekorator on feisty and ran into that... [08:01] it's fine :) [08:01] it's better that it gets attention === Hobbsee acks, and subscribes ubuntu-archive [08:02] heh kool, it appeared in #ubuntu-bugs immediately :P [08:02] yep :) [08:02] right, that should be removed wiht the next lot of syncs, etc [08:03] thanks :) [08:04] not a problem :) [08:04] thank you :) [08:06] glad to help === Jucato gets back to making the kubuntu theming guide... === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-009-171.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde [n=neversfe@p549423D1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Starting logfile irclogs/kubuntu-devel.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Congrats to Raphink and Tonio | Merge ! http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/+specs | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Thu Dec 7 11:28:18 2006 === mhb [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mhb [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@86-39-4-182.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mhb [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tonyyserver [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tonyyserver [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pinheiro [n=pinheiro@bl4-245-222.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=apokryph@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@221.216.19.61] has joined #kubuntu-devel === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Zerlinna [n=Zerlinna@C6faf.c.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@p54955D36.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:19] moin [01:19] kwwii!!!! [01:19] hello shiny-maker :) [01:19] howdy Hobbsee [01:19] hehe [01:19] hi kwwii! [01:20] and after my vacation in Berlin I actually feel like making things shiny again :p [01:20] lol [01:20] go go oxygen! :) [01:20] kwwii: yay! [01:20] hi kwwii :) [01:20] Zerlinna!!!! [01:21] didnt see you lurking [01:21] :-) Hobbsee [01:22] hi Zerlinna && Hobbsee [01:22] hey raphink [01:22] && kwwii [01:22] :) [01:22] kwwii: Makefile still stuck in utils/ ? [01:22] salut raphink :) [01:22] salut :) [01:24] if anyone needs builds [01:24] I just set a fast feisty pbuilder :) [01:24] (can't give access though) [01:24] kwwii: is it ok to take the Kubuntu logo (edgy version) and make an icon/button for it? or are there some legal things I need to consider? === Ash-Fox [i=UNKNOWN@fgd182.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #Kubuntu-devel [01:30] Jucato: should be fine to make another logo out of it [01:30] raphink: yes, it is in Utils [01:30] :( [01:30] sorry, my wife and kid just came home [01:30] kwwii: kool thanks! [01:30] does that mean nobody tested it kwwii? [01:30] raphink: oh no, several people have tested it === Jucato actually already made one, but is quite hesitant to "release"... [01:31] the biggest problem yet is that we do not build packages for Oxygen yet...that should be coming sometime soon though [01:34] kwwii: ie, we should? or that we are, but shouldnt be? [01:34] Hobbsee: should't [01:34] Jucato: it's creative commons licence [01:34] Hobbsee: until we make the official release we shouldn't [01:35] Riddell: not yet it isn't :-) [01:35] it will be CC when it first comes out [01:35] kwwii: the kubuntu logo is [01:35] the one made by kwwii for Edgy? [01:35] oops, sorry [01:35] kwwii: correct. was just checking which th eproblem was [01:35] Jucato: well the ubuntu logo is so all derivates are [01:35] ah ok [01:36] Jucato: and it's trademarked if you're going to trade/brand stuff with it [01:36] Riddell: which CC license is it under? [01:36] kwwii: sharealike 2.5, yes commercial [01:36] as I remember [01:36] cool [01:36] debian/copyright in k-d-s will reveal all [01:37] as long as there is no "no-derivs" clause it is ok to modify it, etc. [01:37] we like derivatives :) [01:37] well, I didn't actually modify it... I just put a square button behind it :P [01:38] sounds like a kmenu icon to me :p [01:38] heh it is :D === hunger_ [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@221.216.19.61] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:12] um... excuse me, I was just wondering why the other Konqueror profiles have been removed from the Debian package (starting KDE 3.5.2)? [02:13] they were removed from the kubuntu packaging [02:14] mostly because they were useless [02:14] in our humble opinion [02:14] heh :) [02:15] well, some people were asking about it. and since they've been removed from the package itself, the FAQ on our site isn't that accurate anymore (for Dapper and Edgy). [02:16] is there any harm in distributing it, for those crazy pepole that like it? [02:16] unless there's a huge problem in file size? (which I doubt) [02:17] having optinions in the menu that aren't any use is bad usability [02:17] I'm currently hosting those 4 profiles and providing some instructions on how to put them back. but it would probably be best if Kubuntu would officially do that (or inform them that they've been removed?) [02:18] but they're not visible/enabled by default anyway, right? [02:18] they are [02:18] huh? I thought they weren't. hence the FAQ on restoring Konqueror to the default [02:19] http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#konqueror [02:20] they are for me [02:20] they were put back in edgy as I remember, maybe dapper [02:21] hm... === marseillai_ [n=cyril@AMarseille-256-1-183-64.w86-211.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:22] what was put back in Edgy (or Dapper)? [02:23] the load/save profile menu items === jack_at_home [n=jack@222.131.252.159] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:25] yes, but not the profiles themselves. as long as the system uses konqueror.rc from the k-d-s directory, they won't see the other profiles that are in /usr. that's why the faq says to delete that file in k-d-s. (afaik) === ttoine [n=ttoine@tri69-2-89-80-32-83.dsl.club-internet.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ttoine [n=ttoine@tri69-2-89-80-32-83.dsl.club-internet.fr] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_ is now known as hunger [03:24] afternoon all [03:24] hi mhb [03:26] hi mhb [03:27] btw, mhb congratulations on becoming a member. (forgot to do that last meeting) [03:27] Jucato: thanks === guglielf [n=guglielf@unaffiliated/guglielf] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:43] hehe, kmail keeps shows that it is at "-1%" [03:45] :O [03:53] i just noticed aftering install Kubuntu 7.04 on an extfs3 partition, it now reports it as ext2fs === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@p508F0033.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:04] Riddell: ping [04:04] hi seaLne [04:05] Riddell: last year you added a patch to k3b that instead of using kdepotpath=${includedir:-`kde-config --expandvars --install include`}/kde.pot [04:05] was hard coded to kdepotpath=/usr/include/kde/kde.pot which seem the same to me [04:06] Riddell: is it maybe just that it used to be different? [04:08] ah actually i see now [04:08] >kde-config --expandvars --install include [04:08] /usr/include/kde [04:08] hmm [04:08] i was mis reading that with the next line [04:08] if ! test -f $kdepotpath; then [04:08] kdepotpath=`kde-config --expandvars --prefix`/include/kde.pot [04:08] fi [04:08] which i think fixes what you were trying to change? [04:09] it's definately needed for various versions of the admin/ directory [04:10] you can test it in a pbuilder but only if you can work out how to get the pbuilder not to delete its tree at the end of the build [04:10] oops sorry i think it is still needed just read a bit more [04:11] hmm or not, ok i'm more confused, i think it didn't help that i was distracted there, so aslong as kdepotpath ends up as /usr/include/kde/kde.pot its fine [04:14] /should/ do [04:15] but it's hard to check if something goes wrong since the .pot files don't get installed, they just get magically sucked out of the buildds and sent to rosetta [04:16] ok, i'll update that patch just to be sure [04:17] seaLne: is this k3b 1.0 rc ? [04:17] yeah [04:17] anything noticably new in it? [04:18]