[12:18] <Hawkwind> We want screenshots!
[12:18] <jdong> congrats :)
[12:18] <jdong> I feel proud :)
[12:18] <jdong> please don't ask for a Dapper backport of it unless you do it and upload it and I stand by and nod my head :D
[12:20] <nixternal> once sec..i just deleted it
[12:20] <nixternal> haha
[12:21] <jdong> nixternal: no probs, just restore my backups on your system and 10 bucks your old files will pop up
[12:21] <nixternal> har har
[12:28] <nixternal> http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/stuff/hello.png
[12:28] <nixternal> there is the screeny of it :)
[12:29] <Jucato> hehe nice :)
[12:29] <Jucato> heh irssi :P
[12:30] <jdong> nixternal: oh cool, good job on the IRC app, I especially like how you coded a compositing manager to make it transparent, too!
[12:30] <jdong> ;-)
[12:34] <Jucato> nixternal: are you following/using/reading a tutorial/guide/book?
[12:34] <nixternal> ya
[12:34] <nixternal> i bought the C++ GUI Programming With Qt4 book
[12:35] <Jucato> ooooh
[12:35] <nixternal> it is like $40 USD on Amazon
[12:35] <Jucato> hm...
[12:35] <Jucato> might ask my aunt in NY to buy me some books... :)
[12:35] <Jucato> dunno how much it will cost if I buy from Amazon... or if my mom will allow me to use her debit card at all :P
[12:41] <nixternal> first book that doesn't teach the Hello World program first
[12:41] <nixternal> instead, it teaches Hello Qt instead ;)
[12:42] <Jucato> lol
[12:42] <crimsun> rich has just upset the entire balance in the universe
[12:42] <nixternal> hahahahha
[12:42] <nixternal> i have upset my other computer by installing FC6 on it apparently
[12:43] <Jucato> :O
[12:43] <crimsun> and now he has gone and exploded the universe.
[12:43] <nixternal> muhehe
[04:03] <Jucato> moin Hobbsee!
[04:04] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato!
[04:06] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: How goes?
[04:07] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: it goes.  and it updates
[04:07] <Jucato> :)
[04:07] <Hobbsee> i survived work, too
[04:07] <Hobbsee> i think the boss learnt the hard way that i dont lie, and just call in sick when i want the day off - i really shouldnt be working
[04:09] <Jucato> Hobbsee: you're sick now?
[04:09] <DaSkreech> Overall non trust of emplayees or just a jerk?
[04:10] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yeah - major sunburn
[04:10] <Jucato> ouch...
[04:11] <Hobbsee> i'm the one who usually covers when others call in sick
[04:11] <Hobbsee> hence, when i call in sick, i really am sick
[04:15] <DaSkreech> Well you really getting sick sure taught him ... I think
[04:15] <DaSkreech>  how'd you get sunburned?
[04:16] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: From being out in the snow all day 
[04:16] <Hobbsee> walking along the beach
[04:16] <Hobbsee> her
[04:16] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: Yeah that reflection is a bugger to deal with when you are in the nude
[04:16] <Hawkwind> Hah
[04:16] <DaSkreech> There was this one time I... but you don't want to hear about that
[04:16] <Hawkwind> You're right, I don't
[04:17] <Jucato> :P
[04:23] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ping?
[04:23] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: can you help with a X tunnel?
[04:24] <Hobbsee> !info htdig feisty
[04:24] <ubotu> htdig: WWW search system for an intranet or small internet. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:3.2.0b6-1 (edgy), package size 1781 kB, installed size 6328 kB
[04:24] <Hobbsee> damn
[04:29] <Jucato> htdig not being installed by default?
[04:29] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yes it's in universe, and its' needed for index building for kdebase
[04:29] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/75317 is one such bug
[04:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75317 in kdebase "[KHelpCenter] Build Search Index Broke" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[04:30] <Jucato> yeah. been there since Dapper (or Breezy)
[04:30] <Hobbsee> ewww, this looks complex
[04:30] <Jucato> but there's also a related KDE bug that prevents the index from being built, even with htdig installed, caused by a typo...
[04:30] <Hobbsee> yeah, found that
[04:30] <Hobbsee> was going to fix this before, but didnt want to follow the MIR
[04:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: know of any reason why htdig isnt being installed by default?
[04:31] <Hobbsee> s/follow/file/
[04:34] <nixternal> Hobbsee: pongers?
[04:34] <Hobbsee> nixternal: your bug @ htdig
[04:34] <Hobbsee> nixternal: want to help me file the MIR?
[04:34] <nixternal> sure
[04:35] <Hobbsee> nixternal: check the security stuff on it?
[04:36] <nixternal> on htdig?
[04:36] <nixternal> it is more than htdig, it is still broken even with htdig, and the $kdekdehtmldir changed to $kdehtmldir
[04:36] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:36] <nixternal> i have been looking at SuSE's KHelpCenter because it works ootb and initializes the first time it opens
[04:36] <Jucato> ah yes, it's that bug I was thinking of...
[04:36] <Hobbsee> yeah, but that doesnt require a MIR, and that will take longer to go thru
[04:37] <nixternal> shoot, there are at least 10+ bugs reported on kde, each worded differently
[04:37] <Hobbsee> yeah
[04:37] <Hobbsee> and there's another bug on malone about it, with heaps of confirms
[04:37] <Hobbsee> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportHtdig
[04:38] <Hobbsee> uh oh
[04:38] <Hobbsee> http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=htdig
[04:40] <Jucato> nixternal: this one? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126804
[04:40] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 126804 in general "cannot create index: "requires explicit package name"" [Normal,New] 
[04:41] <Hobbsee> strike...
[04:41] <Hobbsee> that's not going to get thru...
[04:41] <nixternal> we are fine with Edgy and Feisty with htdig not being included in that CVE
[04:42] <Hobbsee> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=htdig
[04:43] <Hobbsee> i *knew* it was likely to be bad when it was maintained by debian QA
[04:43] <nixternal> jeesh
[04:47] <Hobbsee> to htdig that is
[04:48] <Hobbsee> unless someone wants to fix a hell of a lot of bugs
[04:48] <Jucato> so even if htdig gets included into main, if the khc_docbookdig.pl bug isn't fixed, khelpcenter still won't be able to build the Applications index right?
[04:49] <nixternal> Hobbsee: there has to be a fix, because it is working fine in FC6 and OpenSUSE 10.2
[04:50] <nixternal> that is if they are using htdig
[04:50] <nixternal> once i get my test system back up, i will see how they go about it
[04:51] <Hobbsee> nixternal: that'd be helpful
[04:51] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yes, but that's a quick fix.
[04:51] <Jucato> ah.
[04:51] <nixternal> right now debian netinst is loading up GNOME :/
[04:52] <nixternal> Jucato: i patched the khc_docbookdig.pl file, and it loads htdig, but it outputs nothing but index.docbook xml parser errors
[04:52] <nixternal> which im guessing is an htdig issue
[04:52] <Jucato> on Edgy?
[04:53] <Jucato> I see to remember being able to successfully build the Applications index on Dapper, using Edgy's htdig. but now on edgy, after editing kch_docbookdig.pl, the index is still empty...
[04:53] <Jucato> s/see/seem
[04:53] <Hobbsee> nixternal: the khc_docbookdig.pl patch needs to be fixed, no matter what is applied, right?
[04:54] <Hobbsee> and can you guys look for more bugs in kdebase that have patches attached?
[04:54] <nixternal> yes Hobbsee
[04:54] <Hobbsee> right
[04:54] <nixternal> which i thought got fixed for dapper
[04:58] <Hobbsee> there are lots of bugs here..
[04:58] <Hobbsee> or if they've got simple fixes, so i can make a patch, or you guys can
[05:03] <Hobbsee> do we want to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/60090 ?
[05:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60090 in kdebase "Konqueror Archive Web Page tool no longer automatically converts spaces to underscores" [Unknown,Confirmed] 
[05:05] <nixternal> i just fell asleep at the keyboard
[05:05] <Hobbsee> firefox leaves these as spaces, it seems
[05:18] <Hobbsee> wah...that looks harder to fix
[05:20] <nixternal> lol
[05:21] <nixternal> interesting, so there hasn't been any dev work on htdig since 2004
[05:21] <nixternal> well thats not good
[05:21] <DaSkreech> :-)
[05:25] <Hobbsee> 3 dupes.  nice
[05:25] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yes, exactly
[05:27] <Hobbsee> make that 5 dupes
[05:29] <Hobbsee> nixternal: there is no Fix is a spelling issue with the $kdekdehtmldir. it should be $kdehtmldir, which is an easy fix.
[05:29] <Hobbsee> there's no kdekdehtmldir
[05:29] <Hobbsee> that i can find
[05:29] <nixternal> correct
[05:29] <nixternal> it is supposed to be $kdehtmdir
[05:29] <Hobbsee> yes, but there's no $kdekdehtmldir
[05:30] <nixternal> correct, that is what needs to be fixed
[05:30] <Hobbsee> so it's supposed to go from $kdehtmldir --> $kdekdehtmldir or the other way around?
[05:30] <nixternal> other way around
[05:30] <nixternal> from $kdekde to $kde
[05:31] <Hobbsee> but there is no $kdekde though
[05:31] <Hobbsee> like, not in the source, as far as i can see
[05:31] <nixternal> it seems opensuse is using the 3.2.0b6 as well
[05:31] <nixternal> no, that is why there is the error, there is only $kdehtmldir
[05:33] <Hobbsee> jdong: ping?
[05:33] <jdong> Hobbsee: attempting sleep; what's up?
[05:33] <Hobbsee> jdong: when did that "unmounting progress dialog box" get lost?
[05:33] <jdong> Hobbsee: I first noticed it in Edgy
[05:34] <jdong> Hobbsee: it was there in the official Dapper release
[05:34] <jdong> Hobbsee: someone has told me though that it was lost in kubuntu.org KDE update repos too
[05:34] <jdong> for dapper
[05:34] <jdong> Hobbsee: so I'm wagering a guess of KDE 3.5.4 or 3.5.5
[05:34] <jdong> Hobbsee: it's also missing in all KDE distros that use >=3.5.4, including FC6 and OpenSuse 10.2
[05:35] <Hobbsee> jdong: right, so it was upstream then.  did you ever find the reasoning for removing it?
[05:35] <nixternal> Hobbsee: i have the suse source with the security patches
[05:35] <jdong> Hobbsee: I've been unable to locate any upstream references to the dialog
[05:36] <jdong> Hobbsee: but I suck with dealing with KDE's BTS and such
[05:36] <jdong> Hobbsee: so don't trust me when I say this :D
[05:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:36] <Hobbsee> nixternal: nice!
[05:36] <jdong> Hobbsee: but I will note
[05:36] <nixternal> cross-site-CAN-2005-0085.patch
[05:36] <jdong> FC6 and SUSE both mount their removable media sync
[05:36] <jdong> which lends to a near-instantaneous unmount
[05:36] <nixternal> there are a ton of patches
[05:37] <jdong> so they are not vulnerable to the same data loss we are
[05:37] <nixternal> 12 patches
[05:37] <Hobbsee> jdong: good point
[05:37] <jdong> Hobbsee: it has also been suggested that when we unmount, we first remount ro then unmount
[05:37] <jdong> Hobbsee: that way the mount point icon does not disappear until after the remount-ro succeeds
[05:37] <jdong> at which point it would indeed be safe to rip it out
[05:38] <Hobbsee> that's not a bad idea
[05:38] <Hobbsee> but does take longer
[05:38] <jdong> Hobbsee: there are some in the ubuntu camp very adamant about keeping removable media async
[05:38] <Hobbsee> i noticed, on the bug report.
[05:38] <jdong> Hobbsee: citing less wear-and-tear and greater percieved performance
[05:38] <Hobbsee> yeah
[05:38] <jdong> (opposite of sync)
[05:38] <jdong> the default
[05:38] <jdong> i.e. a writeback cache
[05:39] <Hobbsee> jdong: did you find any of the commits saying it?
[05:39] <jdong> i didn't think / didn't have to time to look there
[05:40] <Hobbsee> jdong: someone needs to - no one knows offhand
[05:40] <jdong> right
[05:40] <jdong> and since I'm a kludge with the KDE system of things
[05:40] <jdong> not me :)
[05:43] <Hobbsee> jdong: heh.  well, i think hte commits have a search
[05:43] <Hobbsee> ervin is the man we want, he does that stuff
[05:44] <jdong> cool
[05:44] <jdong> I'm not keen on all the kde terminology
[05:44] <jdong> so I would be pretty ineffective at searching a commit log
[05:44] <jdong> (knowing what source fiels are responsible for the dialog would be a start)
[05:44] <jdong> probably in the end we'll find it was an unintentional regression
[05:44] <Hobbsee> "unmount" or "umount" would be a good start
[05:45] <jdong> hence someone with some KDE coding experience and svn annotate would be best :)
[05:47] <nixternal> Hobbsee: http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/stuff/htdig-3.2.0b6.tgz
[05:48] <nixternal> there is the suse version there
[05:48] <Hobbsee> ok
[05:48] <nixternal> i suggest extracting it in its own folder
[05:49] <nixternal> it will extract all of th patches, and the source.tar.bz2
[05:51] <Hobbsee> wait to see what Riddell says, maybe.
[05:51] <Hobbsee> right
[05:51] <nixternal> roger dodger
[06:04] <freeflying> Monitor and Display module in system-settings broken? anyone suffered this?
[06:05] <Hobbsee> yes
[06:43] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i think so
[06:43] <Hobbsee> jdong: shameful
[06:44] <jdong> meh, who needs sleep anyway
[06:44] <Jucato> people who build flash against the wrong distro do :)
[06:45] <jdong> @lart 15 Jucato
[06:45] <Jucato> bleh
[06:45] <jdong> aww where'd all the fun extensions go?
[06:45] <Jucato> Ubugtu doesn't work here :P
[06:45] <Hobbsee> they're not in here
[06:45] <jdong> that's cheap
[06:46] <Jucato> I guess they presumed that devs need Ubugtu to work, not to @lart people :P
[06:46] <jdong> it comes in handy at times though
[06:46] <Jucato> unfortunately... Hobbsee doesn't need Ubugtu to poke people...
[06:47] <Hobbsee> haha
[06:48] <jdong> Jucato: yeah, I heard it covers the brand new 2.4.4 kernel with the brand-new quota support for ext2!
[06:49] <Jucato> jdong: I make do with what I have (or can buy...)
[06:49] <Jucato> 2006 edition waaay beyond my budget..
[06:49] <jdong> hehe, I was just kidding
[06:50] <jdong> :)
[06:52] <jdong> me puts his patched ffmpeg to work encoding AAC's
[06:52] <Jucato> ooh nice
[06:53] <jdong> somewhere RMS is having a nightmare....
[06:53] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i'm wondering if the major-buggy thing is better
[06:56] <Hobbsee> haha
[06:56] <jdong> don't it make ya feel GREAT to  know they write you tickets based on this technology? ;-)
[06:56] <Jucato> lol
[06:56] <Jucato> glad we don't have those stuff here...
[06:57] <Jucato> we don't even have people to catch overspeeding drivers anyway lol
[06:57] <Hobbsee> we do
[06:58] <Jucato> we don't :)
[07:00] <jdong> pfft
[07:07] <Jucato> wb Hobbsee
[07:08] <Hobbsee> ty
[07:08] <Hobbsee> forgot to actually turn the power on
[07:11] <Hobbsee> and i found a bug.  nuisance
[07:41] <Jucato> Hobbsee: why do we have 2 deKorator packages in feisty? (one of them doesn't show up in ubotu)
[07:42] <Jucato> dekorator (0.2) and kwin-style-dekorator (0.3)
[07:42] <Hobbsee> apt-cache show both of them
[07:42] <Hobbsee> one looks to be a module
[07:43] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I just tried installing both of them. they are exactly the same. "dekorator" is the same version that is on Edgy
[07:44] <Jucato> (which strangely depends on gamin/libgamin) while kwin-style-dekorator is the newer 0.3 version (no other dependencies)
[07:44] <Jucato> by exactly the same, I mean they do the same thing, a pixmap-based window decoration
[07:45] <Hobbsee> Jucato: better file a request to remove dekorator from the archive then
[07:45] <Hobbsee> give me the bug #, and i'll ack it
[07:46] <Jucato> lol! it's only now that I noticed that the package description for deKorator (edgy and feisty) are totally off
[07:46] <Jucato> file the request as a bug report?
[07:47] <Hobbsee> they're both from debian
[07:47] <Hobbsee> which is odd
[07:47] <Hobbsee> yeah
[07:48] <Hobbsee> under dekorator
[07:48] <Hobbsee> and check it has no rdepends
[07:52] <Hobbsee> Jucato: did you do it, or did you want me to?
[07:52] <Jucato> doing it..
[07:52] <Hobbsee> ok
[07:53] <Jucato> https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/dekorator/+bug/75437
[07:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75437 in dekorator "Request to remove dekorator from Feisty archives" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[07:55] <Jucato> dang! I knew I got the version wrong... it's supposed to be 0.3-1, not 0.3 only :(
[07:56] <Hobbsee> Jucato: include that it has no rdepends, and ask for both source and binary to be removed
[07:56] <Jucato> oh. sorry...
[07:56] <Jucato> (what does having no rdepends mean?)
[07:56] <Jucato> ah nothing is depending on that package, right?
[07:57] <Hobbsee> "apt-cache rdepends dekorator" and you'll see
[07:57] <Hobbsee> yup
[07:57] <Jucato> I had a temporary mental block there... :P
[07:57] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:57] <Jucato> depends == what it depends on; rdepends = what depends on it...
[07:58] <Hobbsee> yep
[07:58] <Hobbsee> ie reverse depends
[07:58] <Jucato> "The dekorator package has no rdepends. The request is for both source and binary to be removed."
[07:59] <Jucato> will that be enough? or need I add something more?
[07:59] <Hobbsee> yep
[07:59] <Hobbsee> that's fine
[07:59] <Jucato> heh thanks.
[07:59] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~$ showsrc dekorator | grep Binary
[07:59] <Hobbsee> Binary: dekorator
[07:59] <Hobbsee> oh good, there's only one binary
[07:59] <Hobbsee> to stop the "oh crap, i got x removed, which deleted y, but i wanted y!
[08:00] <Jucato> lol
[08:00] <Jucato> sorry for the sudden interest in dekorator. for some unknown reason, I just thought about dekorator on feisty and ran into that...
[08:01] <Hobbsee> it's fine :)
[08:01] <Hobbsee> it's better that it gets attention
[08:02] <Jucato> heh kool, it appeared in #ubuntu-bugs immediately :P
[08:02] <Hobbsee> yep :)
[08:02] <Hobbsee> right, that should be removed wiht the next lot of syncs, etc
[08:03] <Jucato> thanks :)
[08:04] <Hobbsee> not a problem :)
[08:04] <Hobbsee> thank you :)
[08:06] <Jucato> glad to help
[01:19] <kwwii> moin
[01:19] <Hobbsee> kwwii!!!!
[01:19] <Hobbsee> hello shiny-maker :)
[01:19] <kwwii> howdy Hobbsee
[01:19] <kwwii> hehe
[01:19] <Jucato> hi kwwii!
[01:20] <kwwii> and after my vacation in Berlin I actually feel like making things shiny again :p
[01:20] <Jucato> lol
[01:20] <Jucato> go go oxygen! :)
[01:20] <Hobbsee> kwwii: yay!
[01:20] <Zerlinna> hi kwwii :)
[01:20] <Hobbsee> Zerlinna!!!!
[01:21] <Hobbsee> didnt see you lurking
[01:21] <Zerlinna> :-) Hobbsee
[01:22] <raphink> hi Zerlinna && Hobbsee
[01:22] <Hobbsee> hey raphink
[01:22] <raphink> && kwwii
[01:22] <raphink> :)
[01:22] <raphink> kwwii: Makefile still stuck in utils/ ?
[01:22] <Zerlinna> salut raphink :)
[01:22] <raphink> salut :)
[01:24] <raphink> if anyone needs builds
[01:24] <raphink> I just set a fast feisty pbuilder :)
[01:24] <raphink> (can't give access though)
[01:24] <Jucato> kwwii: is it ok to take the Kubuntu logo (edgy version) and make an icon/button for it? or are there some legal things I need to consider?
[01:30] <kwwii> Jucato: should be fine to make another logo out of it
[01:30] <kwwii> raphink: yes, it is in Utils
[01:30] <raphink> :(
[01:30] <kwwii> sorry, my wife and kid just came home
[01:30] <Jucato> kwwii: kool thanks!
[01:30] <raphink> does that mean nobody tested it kwwii?
[01:30] <kwwii> raphink: oh no, several people have tested it
[01:31] <kwwii> the biggest problem yet is that we do not build packages for Oxygen yet...that should be coming sometime soon though
[01:34] <Hobbsee> kwwii: ie, we should?  or that we are, but shouldnt be?
[01:34] <raphink> Hobbsee: should't
[01:34] <Riddell> Jucato: it's creative commons licence
[01:34] <kwwii> Hobbsee: until we make the official release we shouldn't
[01:35] <kwwii> Riddell: not yet it isn't :-)
[01:35] <kwwii> it will be CC when it first comes out
[01:35] <Riddell> kwwii: the kubuntu logo is
[01:35] <Jucato> the one made by kwwii for Edgy?
[01:35] <kwwii> oops, sorry
[01:35] <Hobbsee> kwwii: correct.  was just checking which th eproblem was
[01:35] <Riddell> Jucato: well the ubuntu logo is so all derivates are
[01:35] <Jucato> ah ok
[01:36] <Riddell> Jucato: and it's trademarked if you're going to trade/brand stuff with it
[01:36] <kwwii> Riddell: which CC license is it under?
[01:36] <Riddell> kwwii: sharealike 2.5, yes commercial
[01:36] <Riddell> as I remember
[01:36] <kwwii> cool
[01:36] <Riddell> debian/copyright in k-d-s will reveal all
[01:37] <kwwii> as long as there is no "no-derivs" clause it is ok to modify it, etc.
[01:37] <Riddell> we like derivatives :)
[01:37] <Jucato> well, I didn't actually modify it... I just put a square button behind it :P
[01:38] <kwwii> sounds like a kmenu icon to me :p
[01:38] <Jucato> heh it is :D
[02:12] <Jucato> um... excuse me, I was just wondering why the other Konqueror profiles have been removed from the Debian package (starting KDE 3.5.2)?
[02:13] <Riddell> they were removed from the kubuntu packaging
[02:14] <Riddell> mostly because they were useless
[02:14] <Riddell> in our humble opinion
[02:14] <Jucato> heh :)
[02:15] <Jucato> well, some people were asking about it. and since they've been removed from the package itself, the FAQ on our site isn't that accurate anymore (for Dapper and Edgy).
[02:16] <Hobbsee> is there any harm in distributing it, for those crazy pepole that like it?
[02:16] <Jucato> unless there's a huge problem in file size? (which I doubt)
[02:17] <Riddell> having optinions in the menu that aren't any use is bad usability
[02:17] <Jucato> I'm currently hosting those 4 profiles and providing some instructions on how to put them back. but it would probably be best if Kubuntu would officially do that (or inform them that they've been removed?)
[02:18] <Jucato> but they're not visible/enabled by default anyway, right?
[02:18] <Riddell> they are
[02:18] <Jucato> huh? I thought they weren't. hence the FAQ on restoring Konqueror to the default
[02:19] <Jucato> http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#konqueror
[02:20] <Riddell> they are for me
[02:20] <Riddell> they were put back in edgy as I remember, maybe dapper
[02:21] <Jucato> hm...
[02:22] <Jucato> what was put back in Edgy (or Dapper)?
[02:23] <Riddell> the load/save profile menu items
[02:25] <Jucato> yes, but not the profiles themselves. as long as the system uses konqueror.rc from the k-d-s directory, they won't see the other profiles that are in /usr. that's why the faq says to delete that file in k-d-s. (afaik)
[03:24] <mhb> afternoon all
[03:24] <Jucato> hi mhb
[03:26] <pinheiro> hi mhb
[03:27] <Jucato> btw, mhb congratulations on becoming a member. (forgot to do that last meeting)
[03:27] <mhb> Jucato: thanks
[03:43] <kwwii> hehe, kmail keeps shows that it is at "-1%"
[03:45] <Jucato> :O
[03:53] <nixternal> i just noticed aftering install Kubuntu 7.04 on an extfs3 partition, it now reports it as ext2fs
[04:04] <seaLne> Riddell: ping
[04:04] <Riddell> hi seaLne
[04:05] <seaLne> Riddell: last year you added a patch to k3b that instead of using kdepotpath=${includedir:-`kde-config --expandvars --install include`}/kde.pot
[04:05] <seaLne>  was hard coded to kdepotpath=/usr/include/kde/kde.pot which seem the same to me
[04:06] <seaLne> Riddell: is it maybe just that it used to be different?
[04:08] <seaLne> ah actually i see now
[04:08] <Riddell> >kde-config --expandvars --install include
[04:08] <Riddell> /usr/include/kde
[04:08] <Riddell> hmm
[04:08] <seaLne> i was mis reading that with the next line
[04:08] <seaLne>    if ! test -f $kdepotpath; then
[04:08] <seaLne>         kdepotpath=`kde-config --expandvars --prefix`/include/kde.pot
[04:08] <seaLne>    fi
[04:08] <seaLne> which i think fixes what you were trying to change?
[04:09] <Riddell> it's definately needed for various versions of the admin/ directory
[04:10] <Riddell> you can test it in a pbuilder but only if you can work out how to get the pbuilder not to delete its tree at the end of the build
[04:10] <seaLne> oops sorry i think it is still needed just read a bit more
[04:11] <seaLne> hmm or not, ok i'm more confused, i think it didn't help that i was distracted there, so aslong as kdepotpath ends up as /usr/include/kde/kde.pot its fine
[04:14] <Riddell> /should/ do
[04:15] <Riddell> but it's hard to check if something goes wrong since the .pot files don't get installed, they just get magically sucked out of the buildds and sent to rosetta
[04:16] <seaLne> ok, i'll update that patch just to be sure
[04:17] <Riddell> seaLne: is this k3b 1.0 rc ?
[04:17] <seaLne> yeah
[04:17] <Riddell> anything noticably new in it?
[04:18] <seaLne> only got to the stage of redoing patches and seeing the those differences
[04:27] <allee> I thought Tonio did a digikam0.9.2-rc  merge for feisty?  But 0.8.2 is latest in archive.  What happened?
[04:27] <allee> 0.9.0-rc2 that is
[04:29] <Riddell> allee: dep wait https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/+source/digikam/1:0.9.0~rc2-0ubuntu2
[04:29] <Riddell> let's poke pitti
[04:37] <Riddell> community council in 25 mins, I wonder who the new nominations will be
[04:38] <Riddell> and UK loco team approval, I wonder if they even know I started it
[04:38] <seaLne> :)
[04:42] <Riddell> seaLne: did you send me an invoice for two t-shirts for croatian user group?
[04:44] <seaLne> yeah
[04:44] <Riddell> so you did, thanks
[04:44] <Riddell> I'll send you 60 quid by BACS
[04:45] <seaLne> ta
[04:45] <seaLne> so who were the croations?
[04:45] <seaLne> croatians even
[04:46] <Riddell> members of the audience who were either using Kubuntu or were going to after my inspiring talk
[04:46] <seaLne> ah :)
[04:46] <malix0> hi I discover a bug (I think) or a misconfiguration on kubuntu
[04:46] <Riddell> malix0: let's hear it
[04:47] <malix0> I have 4 computer 2 laptop and 2 notebook with kubuntu Edgy, but 3 are upgrade from Dapper and 1 a fresh Edgy install
[04:48] <malix0> on the 3 upgraded from Dapper the logout dialog don't show icons, as the fresh installed one does
[04:49] <malix0> and I can't find the way to get icons displayed
[04:49] <Riddell> malix0: do you have /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/22x22/actions/hibernate.png
[04:49] <malix0> Riddell: let me check
[04:49] <Riddell> and pastebin apt-cache policy kdebase  and apt-cache policy kdelibs
[04:50] <malix0> Riddell: no I don't have this
[04:50] <Jucato> malix0: do other buttons in KDE show icons?
[04:50] <malix0> for example
[04:51] <malix0> Riddell: where I can look?
[04:52] <Jucato> malix0: do other buttons in dialog boxes show icons? like Save or Cancel or Close?
[04:52] <malix0> Riddell: Ok I find System Sittings General and Advanced button have text and icons
[04:52] <Riddell> that's different
[04:53] <Riddell> do Ok and Cancel buttons have icons on them?
[04:53] <allee> Riddell: thx
[04:54] <seaLne> can i remove a postinst if it only has tests to see if the version is an extremly old version (0.10.3-1) then does stuff?
[04:54] <malix0> Riddell: I try kate and no icons on a dialog that ask if I want to save unsaved file
[04:55] <Jucato> malix0: launch System Settings, go to Appearance -> Style, then check the "Show icons on buttons" option, click on Apply. then check the logout box again
[04:55] <Riddell> seaLne: if that version is only pre dapper yes
[04:55] <Riddell> but not if the version is in dapper or edgy
[04:56] <seaLne> its pre ubuntu :)
[04:56] <malix0> Riddell: I enable the option but no icons
[04:56] <Riddell> seaLne: scrap it then if you want
[04:59] <malix0> Riddell: may be I need to relogin?
[04:59] <Riddell> maybe
[05:07] <malix0> Riddell: Ok now that I logout and relogin the icons appear, thank you very much :)
[05:22] <Riddell> nixternal: any idea what's happened to burg and/or UWN?
[05:29] <dholbach> heya
[05:31] <dholbach> I have a request for you noble lords of kubuntu:
 I will tell you this afternoon about Avatar support in gabble as I implement them in Kopete
 DarkShock: do you have a telepathy branch of that somewhere?
 DarkShock: I should get the kubuntu guys to package it too - that'd be so cool
 dholbach: it is in KDE svn trunk, you need KDE4 kdelibs
 dholbach: implemented as a plugin
[05:31] <dholbach> It'd be great if we could get that into feisty and do regular checkouts - what do you think?
[05:32] <nixternal> Riddell: can't say that I know..haven't been following..i will look into it here in a bit
[05:33] <nixternal> im currently watching people debate the LCoC..good reading :)
[05:34] <Riddell> dholbach: KDE 4 kdelibs is unstable, it would need that being build at the same time
[05:35] <dholbach> hm, I see
[05:35] <dholbach> do we have it in the archive already?
[05:35] <dholbach> can I have kdelibs 3 and kdelibs4 installed at the same time?
[05:36] <Riddell> dholbach: yes you can, but the packages we have are out of date (only by a couple months, but the API change is rapid enough that it won't work with an SVN checkout)
[05:37] <dholbach> do we have stuff that builds with it?
[05:37] <Riddell> packages are at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.2.php
[05:37] <Riddell> dholbach: stuff that builds with what?
[05:37] <dholbach> packages build-depending on kdelibs4
[05:38] <Riddell> dholbach: no, only kdepimlibs and kdebase at the URL above
[05:38] <Riddell> dholbach: I made those with the last KDE 4 snapshot
[05:39] <dholbach> ah ok, a pity they are still that unstable :)
[05:39] <Riddell> dholbach: according to our kde 4 spec we should be making KDE 4 packages for everything in mainline KDE for feisty, so I expect to be doing more packaging of it in the new year
[05:40] <Riddell> which can include kopete stuff as appropriate
[05:40] <dholbach> that's cool - if nobody else'd step up, I'd look at packaging the kopete plugin
[05:40] <dholbach> though I'd prefer let somebody handle it who has more of a clue about KDE
[05:40] <dholbach> I already packaged tapioca-qt and decibel, which made me feel weird ;-)
[05:40] <Riddell> :)
[05:41] <dholbach> you rock
[05:41] <Riddell> I managed to work out what telepathy is at UDS, but didn't get as far as working out what tapioca-qt and decibel do
[05:42] <dholbach> tapioca-qt is a library on top of telepathy-qt, written by the nokia technology institute
[05:42] <dholbach> http://tapioca-voip.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Tapioca
[05:43] <dholbach> http://decibel.kde.org/ is a framework on top of that ... "meant to integrate traditional phone services with VoIP and instant messaging": http://decibel.kde.org/
[05:44] <dholbach> hunger works on decibel
[05:44] <Riddell> ooh, does he now
[05:44] <Riddell> all seems a bit like layers on top of layers without much reason
[05:44] <dholbach> decibel and tapioca-qt still are sitting in NEW
[05:45] <Riddell> let me know when they pass, I can do a quick blog so the news reaches planes.kde
[05:45] <Riddell> planet.kde
[05:46] <dholbach> will do
[05:48] <Riddell> fdoving: where's your kopete package again?
[05:49] <bddebian> Heya
[05:50] <dholbach> Riddell: but the kopete plugin will only use tapioca-qt (not decibel)
[05:51] <fdoving> Riddell: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/edgy/updates/kopete/ - my .changes might be wrong too.
[06:01] <serzholino> h1204
[06:01] <serzholino> sorry, wrong window
[06:28] <seaLne> what would be a version number equivalent to 1.0rc1-0ubuntu1 but that wouldn't get complaints due to the 1 in rc1?
[06:40] <fdoving> 0.9.9~1.0rc1-0ubuntu1C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C
[06:40] <fdoving> ehm.
[06:40] <fdoving> 0.9.9~1.0rc1-0ubuntu1
[06:40] <fdoving> maybe?
[06:41] <fdoving> that's what i do for beta and rc pacakges.
[06:43] <seaLne> ok
[06:43] <fdoving> that way 1.0 final can have a proper version too.
[06:43] <fdoving> as 0.9.9 will be lower.
[06:44] <seaLne> i still get the complaints about tgz tho
[06:44] <fdoving> what complaints?
[06:44] <seaLne> This package has a Debian revision number but there does not seem to be
[06:44] <seaLne> an appropriate original tar file or .orig directory in the parent directory;
[06:44] <seaLne> (expected k3b_0.99~1.0rc1.orig.tar.gz or k3b-1.0rc1.orig)
[06:45] <fdoving> does it make a .diff.gz ?
[06:45] <fdoving> if it does, ignore that warning.
[06:45] <seaLne> it also creates a new tgz with package name
[06:45] <fdoving> ah..
[06:45] <fdoving> then it doesn't create a .diff.gz either.
[06:46] <fdoving> rename the orig.tar.gz to k3b_0.99~1.0rc1.orig.tar.gz then.
[06:46] <seaLne> ok, i thought there was something strange, k
[06:48] <seaLne> and remaining strange problem (i haven't built a package for a few months):
[06:48] <seaLne> gpg: cancelled by user
[06:48] <seaLne> gpg: skipped "Kenny Duffus <kenny@duffus.org>": bad passphrase
[06:48] <seaLne> gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: bad passphrase
[06:49] <seaLne> from debuild -S -sa
[06:52] <fdoving> are you running gpg-agent?
[06:52] <seaLne> not sure
[06:53] <seaLne> yes
[06:55] <seaLne> interesting i killed and restarted gpg-agent and now i get:
[06:55] <seaLne> can't connect to `/tmp/gpg-3uENk2/S.gpg-agent': No such file or directory
[06:55] <seaLne> gpg: can't connect to `/tmp/gpg-3uENk2/S.gpg-agent': connect failed
[06:55] <seaLne> and am prompted for password
[06:56] <seaLne> weird it seems to be /tmp/gpg-MxaxBS/S.gpg-agent
[06:58] <sebas> seaLne: gpg-agent leaves some pointer to a socket in the env, which is not there if you don't start it from .kde/env or something like that.
[06:58] <seaLne> ah ok
[06:58] <sebas> miro.sebas(~): cat .kde/env/gpgagent.sh                                                                               18:58:46
[06:58] <sebas> eval "$(gpg-agent --daemon)"
[06:58] <sebas> Do it like this
[06:59] <sebas> GPG_AGENT_INFO=/tmp/gpg-bNjrVs/S.gpg-agent:3877:1
[06:59] <sebas> That's what I have.
[07:00] <seaLne> exporting the correct path makes it fail silently
[07:00] <seaLne> i wonder if this is also my problem with kmail
[08:47] <mhb> are there any emblem possibilities in KDE/Kubuntu?
[08:49] <mhb> in my very humble opinion marking most of the directories in / with emblems as "system" would not be a bad solution (sorry if it was discussed already)
[08:56] <laszlok> i just upgraded to feisty, and there is no lipstick theme. Is this the packages or just my computer being stupid?
[10:31] <allee> Riddell: why did you keep this change for libkipi:
[10:31] <allee> -debian/tmp/usr/share/locale
[10:31] <allee> +debian/tmp/usr/share/locale/*/LC_MESSAGES/libkipi.mo
[10:32] <allee> Riddell: the matching files are identical.
[11:09] <oslo> does someone success to use gmailfs ??
[12:04] <danimo> heya!
[12:07] <danimo> does anyone feel like adding this as a convinient default solution somehow: http://daniel.molkentin.de/blog/index.php?/archives/62-Developing-KDE-4-Inside-a-KDE-3-Session.html
[12:13] <allee> Showfoto 0.9 rc2 crashes here on startup.  Does it work for others?
[12:13] <allee> ^^ my rebuild on edgy