[12:03] <jrib> do that nvidia config command
[12:04] <PuRu> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable ?
[12:04] <jrib> yep
[12:05] <PuRu_> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[12:05] <PuRu_> oops wrong paste
[12:05] <PuRu_> ward@ward-laptop:~$ sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[12:05] <PuRu_> Error: unable to load nvidia kernel driver! Be sure to have installed
[12:05] <PuRu_> the nvidia driver for your running kernel.
[12:06] <jrib> sudo rmmod nvidia && sudo modprobe nvidia
[12:06] <PuRu_> ward@ward-laptop:~$ sudo rmmod nvidia && sudo modprobe nvidia
[12:06] <PuRu_> ERROR: Module nvidia does not exist in /proc/modules
[12:06] <jrib> ok
[12:06] <jrib> sudo modprobe nvidia
[12:07] <PuRu_> ward@ward-laptop:~$ sudo modprobe nvidia
[12:07] <PuRu_> Not loading nvidia module; not used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:07] <PuRu_> jrib:
[12:07] <jrib> ok now does   sudo nvidia-glx-config enable  ?
[12:08] <PuRu_> Error: unable to load nvidia kernel driver! Be sure to have installed
[12:08] <PuRu_> the nvidia driver for your running kernel.
[12:08] <PuRu_> lol
[12:08] <PuRu> told u my system is pissing me off
[12:09] <PuRu> reboot is not gonna change anything lol
[12:09] <jrib> humor me please
[12:09] <PuRu> is rebooting
[12:10] <jrib> I'm pretty sure the problem was that package with a different version
[12:10] <jrib> I just don't know enough about modules to load that up the right way...
[12:11] <PuRu> rebooted
[12:11] <PuRu> anyone else here who knows this?
[12:11] <jrib> ok  sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[12:11] <PuRu> just a sec
[12:11] <PuRu> let me open xchat
[12:12] <PuRu_> back
[12:13] <PuRu_> what i still dont understand is how can i install a wrong version if i follow the tutorial
[12:13] <PuRu_> ?
[12:13] <PuRu_> Error: unable to load nvidia kernel driver! Be sure to have installed
[12:13] <PuRu_> the nvidia driver for your running kernel.
[12:13] <jrib> it's not that you installed the wrong version, it's taht the package didn't get upgraded for some reason
[12:13] <jrib> apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-common
[12:13] <jrib> what version is installed?
[12:13] <PuRu> 6.10
[12:13] <PuRu> edgy
[12:14] <jrib> I mean that the commands returns for linux-restricted-modules-common
[12:14] <PuRu_> he cant find the packet "linux-respricted-modules-commo"
[12:14] <jrib> put an 'n' at the end
[12:14] <PuRu_> literally commo
[12:15] <PuRu_> linux-restricted-modules-common:
[12:15] <PuRu_>   Genstalleerd: 2.6.17.6-1
[12:15] <PuRu_>   Kandidaat: 2.6.17.6-1
[12:15] <PuRu_>   Versietabel:
[12:15] <PuRu_>  *** 2.6.17.6-1 0
[12:15] <PuRu_>         500 http://security.ubuntu.com edgy-security/restricted Packages
[12:15] <PuRu_>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[12:15] <PuRu_>      2.6.17.5-11 0
[12:15] <PuRu_>         500 http://be.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/restricted Packages
[12:15] <PuRu> sorry for the long paste, wanted to spare some time
[12:15] <PuRu> pastebins seem slow
[12:15] <jrib> ok, sudo apt-get remove nvidia-glx && sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[12:15] <PuRu> genstalleerd = installed
[12:15] <PuRu> kandidaat = candidate
[12:16] <PuRu> versietabel = veriontable
[12:16] <PuRu> versiontable
[12:16] <PuRu_> is working
[12:17] <jrib> PuRu_: are you using the generic kernel?
[12:17] <PuRu> 386 i believe
[12:17] <PuRu> i dunno the difference
[12:18] <PuRu> shall i reboot to make sure i choose for 386?
[12:18] <jrib> no, generic should be it
[12:18] <jrib> Some people on the forums had this same problem and they needed to use generic
[12:18] <PuRu> i'll reboot and make sure i choose generic then
[12:18] <jrib> k
[12:20] <jrib> I assumed I was using generic, but apparently I'm not... strange
[12:21] <PuRu> rebooted :-)
[12:22] <jrib> uname -a   says generic now?
[12:23] <PuRu_> back
[12:24] <PuRu_> yes it says generic
[12:24] <PuRu> sorry my dad came in
[12:24] <PuRu> spliff is ready
[12:24] <jrib> ok hopefully that command works now
[12:24] <PuRu> time for a ganjabreak
[12:25] <PuRu> wich command?
[12:25] <jrib> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[12:26] <PuRu_> nope doesnt work lol
[12:26] <PuRu> brb
[12:26] <jrib> :/
[12:26] <PuRu> reinstall?
[12:26] <PuRu> if so i set it up to reinstall while i'm smoking
[12:26] <jrib> apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[12:27] <PuRu> or shall i uninstall the nvidia-glx?
[12:27] <PuRu> since its the wrong version :s
[12:27] <PuRu> lol anyway brb
[12:27] <PuRu> cant wait any longer
[12:27] <jrib> heh ok
[12:29] <jrib> hmm maybe it's nvidia-xconfig
[12:41] <PuRu_> jrib: back
[12:44] <PuRu> you mean as a command? "nvidia-xconfig"
[12:46] <jrib> PuRu: yeah
[12:46] <jrib> I just read that that's the new way to do it in edgy
[12:46] <jrib> (in the wiki)
[12:47] <PuRu> i just did it
[12:47] <jrib> but make sure linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) is installed
[12:47] <PuRu> sudo nvidia-xconfig
[12:47] <PuRu> lol then i did ctrl-alt-backspace
[12:47] <jrib> ok did it work?
[12:47] <PuRu> now i get a black screen after getting a cursus on the left top
[12:48] <jrib> alright hit ctrl-alt-f1 and   apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[12:48] <PuRu> so no it didnt work :p
[12:48] <PuRu> ctrl-alt-f1 didnt work
[12:48] <PuRu> it was really a crash lol
[12:48] <PuRu> i'm rebooting
[12:48] <PuRu> i thought linux didnt crash fast :p
[12:48] <jrib> maye the kernel
[12:49] <jrib> X is easy to crash
[12:49] <PuRu> damn lol
[12:49] <PuRu> reboot does nothing
[12:49] <PuRu> ctrl-alt-delete either
[12:49] <PuRu> start with a fresh install maybe?
[12:49] <PuRu> i think ubuntu is quite fucked up by now :p
[12:49] <jrib> heh go for it
[12:50] <PuRu> its done pretty fast anyway
[12:50] <PuRu> and then we're 100% sure i got a standard ubuntu edgy
[12:51] <PuRu> i work at a helpdesk (for windoze pc's, general home users) and we often start from scratch becasue thats the only way to be sure when something keeps going wrong
[12:54] <PuRu> *installing*
[12:56] <PuRu> jrib: any idea why it didnt work the first time when i used the tutorial?
[12:56] <jrib> maybe because you didn't have the generic kernel loaded
[12:56] <jrib> or maybe not
[12:56] <jrib> no I'm not really sure why it didn't work
[12:56] <PuRu> that can be
[12:57] <PuRu> that i didnt load the generic kernel
[12:57] <PuRu> well now i got time for a new spliff while it installs :-)
[12:58] <PuRu> got a car accident today, kinda have a bad day lol
[12:58] <PuRu> and then ubuntu that keeps refusing to work with the nvidia driver on my system
[12:58] <jrib> oh, you alright?
[12:59] <PuRu> yeah, but the car = f*cked up
[12:59] <PuRu> radiator = dead, airco radiator = also dead
[12:59] <PuRu> front bumper = dead, front lights are dead, the hood = bend, ...
[12:59] <jrib> well they happen, good thing is you are alright
[01:00] <PuRu> yeah but still
[01:01] <PuRu> i was gonna buy my own car
[01:01] <PuRu> now i'm not gonna have moeny to by my own
[01:01] <PuRu> because some idiot is parked in the middle of the street
[01:01] <PuRu> i start to hate idiotic people more and more each day
[01:01] <PuRu> every day at work nothing but idiots that call me...
[01:02] <PuRu> on the road nothing but idiots that do stupid manouvres
[01:02] <PuRu> this world is completely filled with idiots...
[01:06] <PuRu> jrib: files are copying :-)
[01:08] <jrib> cool
[01:08] <PuRu> my guess is he's ready in 20minutes at most
[01:08] <cntb> o/
[01:09] <unix_infidel> what's this weeks session on?
[01:09] <unix_infidel> the wik is sort of out of date.
[01:10] <jrib> unix_infidel: atm I'm not sure we have an instructor
[01:10] <PuRu> omg lol
[01:10] <PuRu> the installer seems crashed!
[01:10] <unix_infidel> what's the topic even :P
[01:10] <unix_infidel> ?
[01:10] <PuRu> just when i thought i had seen it all
[01:11] <jrib> unix_infidel: The Linux Kernel
[01:12] <PuRu> lol its my drive
[01:12] <PuRu> the contact is bad lately
[01:12] <PuRu> just glad its not my HD :-)
[01:15] <PuRu> voila, working again
[01:16] <jrib> unix_infidel: ok update, we do have an instructor
[01:17] <PuRu> are there actually lessons given here or is this just the channel for n00bs?
[01:19] <cntb> \o
[01:19] <cntb> so room is not ghost town any more?
[01:19] <tonyyarusso> Varies widely cntb .
[01:20] <tonyyarusso> People are becoming more aware, which is fantastic.
[01:24] <cntb> well
[01:24] <jrib> PuRu: there are actual lessons, see the schedule in the topic
[01:25] <jrib> this weekend!
[01:25] <tonyyarusso> sweet
[01:25] <jrib> tonyyarusso: what do you think sysadmin 101 entails?
[01:26] <tonyyarusso> jrib: No idea...probably not too hard though if it's 101
[01:26] <LjL> jrib: chown/chmod? :P
[01:26] <LjL> perhaps adduser
[01:27] <tonyyarusso> jrib: You volunteering?
[01:28] <jrib> tonyyarusso: well I don't know what exactly I would teach.  But I wouldn't mind learning something new over the next couple of weeks so I could teach it
[01:29] <LjL> you can teach that, trust me :P
[01:29] <tonyyarusso> jrib: Awesome.  I'll bet we could get some folks to guide you along too.  There's a mailing list - could ask there.
[01:29] <tonyyarusso> jrib: new_user_mentors@lists.novarata.net
[01:30] <jrib> I'm a member :)
[01:30] <tonyyarusso> I don't personally consider myself "advanced", but I do run a server for kicks, so depending what they mean I might be able to handle that.
[01:31] <jrib> I don't think i ever get any mail from that list though
[01:31] <jrib> PuRu_: working?
[01:31] <PuRu_> is reinstalling
[01:32] <PuRu_> yeah the contact of the drive is a bit bad
[01:32] <PuRu_> sometimes it doesnt work
[01:32] <PuRu_> the cd drive
[01:46] <PuRu_> jrib: installed / rebooting :-)
[01:46] <jrib> gl
[01:46] <PuRu_> ubuntu = installed lol
[01:46] <PuRu_> not the driver
[01:47] <PuRu_> booting generic mode
[01:47] <PuRu_> (this was the only mode right now is that normal?)
[01:54] <jrib> the generic kernel, yeah
[01:55] <PuRu_> allright, i'm booted :-)
[02:07] <PuRu_> now what to do lol?
[02:08] <PuRu_> jirib:
[02:28] <jrib> PuRu_: ?
[02:30] <tonyyarusso> !nickspam | Limulf
[02:30] <ubotu> Limulf: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages (see !Away for more details): use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently
[02:31] <tonyyarusso> (Not a very busy channel, but still, pick one ;)  )
[02:31] <Limulf> Sorry a lot, i'll keep that in mind :-)
[02:32] <PuRu_> jrib: what can i try to make ubuntu install teh correct version?
[02:32] <PuRu_> or anyone else
[02:32] <jrib> PuRu_: the wiki instructions should work, just install nvidia-glx and the restricted modules for your kernel
[02:33] <PuRu_> last time i did that exactly
[02:33] <PuRu_> so i assume this time it wont work
[02:33] <PuRu_> but it did it wit synaptic
[02:33] <PuRu_> can that matther?
[02:33] <jrib> last time you had the other kernel remember?  I found some people on the forums with the same issue
[02:34] <jrib> so first, install linux-restricted-modules for your kernel
[02:35] <PuRu_> wich command please?
[02:36] <PuRu_> (or tutorial if its more then one command)
[02:36] <jrib> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[02:36] <jrib> sudo aptitude install linux-restricted-modules-generic
[02:37] <PuRu_> lol i allready did that last time
[02:37] <PuRu_> but not the command
[02:38] <PuRu_> "In the Software Preferences dialog that comes up, click the Add button."
[02:39] <PuRu_> no add button in the screen that pops up
[02:40] <jrib> PuRu_: you should have a checkbox for restricted
[02:41] <PuRu_> its just to enable all the packets?
[02:41] <PuRu_> if so then i know what u mean and did it
[02:41] <jrib> k
[02:41] <PuRu_> yeah its the one i mean
[02:41] <PuRu_> i did that last time too
[02:41] <PuRu_> sould i do the command too?
[02:41] <jrib> that should let you install linux-restricted-modules-generic
[02:42] <PuRu_> the install went fine
[02:42] <PuRu_> last time
[02:42] <PuRu_> no errors or anything
[02:42] <jrib> k
[02:42] <PuRu_> it was after the install
[02:42] <jrib> what card is this by the way?
[02:43] <PuRu_> 420 go with 32mb
[02:44] <PuRu_> (toshiba sattelite pro m10)
[02:44] <jrib> ok should work, I have a similar card
[02:44] <PuRu_> its not legacy, i checked
[02:44] <jrib> 440 go
[02:44] <PuRu_> what do u have?
[02:44] <PuRu_> i do this command right: sudo aptitude install linux-restricted-modules-generic
[02:44] <PuRu_> ?
[02:44] <jrib> yeah, assuming 'uname -a' says you are running generic
[02:47] <PuRu_> ok did "sudo aptitude install linux-restricted-modules-generic"
[02:47] <PuRu_> and its finished
[02:47] <PuRu_> now just install nvidia-glx trough synaptic?
[02:47] <PuRu_> or something else first?
[02:48] <jrib> just nvidia-glx
[02:48] <jrib> you can use aptitude for that too if you want
[02:49] <PuRu_> too late lol
[02:49] <jrib> same thing
[02:50] <PuRu_> i just did sudo synaptic and then marked nvidia-glx
[02:50] <jrib> k
[02:50] <PuRu_> and then installed offcourse
[02:50] <jrib> after it finishes, sudo nvidia-xconfig
[02:52] <PuRu_> it takes longer then last time i think
[02:52] <PuRu_> sudo nvidia-xconfig = done
[02:52] <PuRu_> what's next?
[02:53] <jrib> ctrl-alt-backspace
[02:53] <PuRu_> *prays*
[02:53] <PuRu_> bang "failed to start x-server"
[02:54] <jrib> seriously?
[02:54] <PuRu_> lol yeah
[02:54] <PuRu_> i'm looking at the ugly blue screen right now
[02:55] <PuRu_> wtf can be the problem lol
[02:55] <PuRu_> i don't get it
[02:55] <jrib> cp /var/log/Xorg.0.log ~/Desktop   , restore your backup xorg.conf and pastebin that
[02:55] <PuRu_> cp /var/log/Xorg.0.log ~/Desktop what does this command do?
[02:56] <jrib> copies the Xorg.0.log to your desktop
[02:57] <PuRu_> what are the commands to restore please?
[02:57] <PuRu_> allways do this kind of stuff with x lol
[02:58] <jrib> ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf*    should list some files, what are they?
[02:58] <PuRu_> ls is one of the few commands i do know :-)
[02:59] <PuRu_> conf and conf.backup
[02:59] <PuRu_> i copy the xorg.conf to desktop and then rename the other one i assume
[02:59] <jrib> PuRu_: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.broken && sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:00] <jrib> you could do that as well if you prefer
[03:02] <PuRu_> did it all
[03:02] <PuRu_> x = command to start x right?
[03:02] <tonyyarusso> PuRu_: startx
[03:02] <jrib> sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart
[03:02] <tonyyarusso> or that
[03:02] <PuRu_> oh yeah :-)
[03:02] <tonyyarusso> Actually, I'd go with the gdm method unless you have a reason not to
[03:02] <jrib> tonyyarusso: does he need to reboot after install nvidia-glx?
[03:03] <tonyyarusso> jrib: Not a clue.  Try restarting X, if that doesn't work, then assume yes and see what happens ;0
[03:03] <tonyyarusso> ;) even
[03:03] <PuRu_> ok gui working
[03:03] <jrib> ok well at least nv still works for you this time
[03:03] <PuRu_> but with the old xorg.conf lol
[03:03] <PuRu_> lol
[03:04] <jrib> ok pastebin xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log on your desktop
[03:04] <PuRu_> how can this be possible?
[03:04] <PuRu_> ok
[03:04] <PuRu_> just a sec i'll install xchat
[03:08] <PuRu> voila
[03:09] <PuRu> http://paste.uni.cc/12144
[03:09] <PuRu> thats the log
[03:10] <PuRu> xorg.conf : http://paste.uni.cc/12145
[03:11] <PuRu_> thats the xorg.conf that made x crash
[03:11] <PuRu_> and the log was also copyed to desktop before i restored the backup
[03:11] <PuRu_> anything unusual?
[03:14] <jrib> ok lets check the usual first,    apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-common linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) nvidia-glx
[03:14] <jrib> make sure the version number match up
[03:16] <PuRu> results: http://paste.uni.cc/12146
[03:17] <PuRu> jrib: (just because i forgot your name lol)
[03:17] <jrib> agh they are different
[03:17] <PuRu_> thats good news then thats the problem :-)
[03:17] <jrib> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:17] <PuRu_> is it fixable?
[03:18] <PuRu> is running
[03:18] <jrib> reboot afterwards to make sure they get loaded
[03:18] <PuRu> ok
[03:18] <PuRu_> lol its funny to see the same irc text on 2 screens
[03:19] <jrib> what is 'apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-common' too while that is installing?
[03:19] <PuRu_> just run that in another terminal?
[03:19] <jrib> yeah
[03:20] <PuRu> nvidia-kernel-common:
[03:20] <PuRu>   Genstalleerd: 20051028+1ubuntu7
[03:20] <PuRu>   Kandidaat: 20051028+1ubuntu7
[03:20] <PuRu>   Versietabel:
[03:20] <PuRu>  *** 20051028+1ubuntu7 0
[03:20] <PuRu>         500 http://be.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/restricted Packages
[03:20] <PuRu>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[03:20] <jrib> ok
[03:25] <PuRu_> rebooting :-)
[03:25] <PuRu_> i boot into generic?
[03:25] <jrib> 2yep
[03:27] <jrib> y/n?
[03:27] <PuRu> back
[03:27] <PuRu_> y/n what?
[03:27] <jrib> are you using nvidia?
[03:28] <PuRu_> i dunno, don't think so
[03:28] <PuRu_> i do ctrl-alt-backspace to test?
[03:28] <jrib> oh we didn't do nvidia-xconfig
[03:28] <jrib> heh
[03:28] <PuRu_> so i do that one?
[03:28] <jrib> yep
[03:28] <PuRu_> and then ctrl-alt-backspace?
[03:29] <jrib> yes
[03:30] <PuRu_> black screen...
[03:30] <PuRu_> ctrl-alt-F1 doesnt work
[03:31] <PuRu_> i'm assuming linux crashed yet again?
[03:31] <PuRu_> (at this point it crashes more then any windows i ever used)
[03:32] <jrib> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=293014
[03:32] <PuRu_> the capslock doesnt evne work anymore so its crashed for sure
[03:32] <jrib> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1700610#post1700610
[03:32] <jrib> we can try that
[03:33] <PuRu_> downgrading?
[03:33] <PuRu_> i can't really find what u mean
[03:33] <jrib> well we could try that as well
[03:34] <PuRu_> what did u mean?
[03:34] <PuRu_> i only read something about downgrading
[03:34] <jrib> just reading through everything, those people seem to be having similar problems
[03:36] <PuRu_> lol i give up
[03:37] <PuRu_> i'll use windows to VJ
[03:37] <jrib> D:
[03:37] <jrib> lets try the two suggestions
[03:37] <PuRu_> i cant even boot into linux no more...
[03:38] <jrib> choose "recovery mode" from the grub menu and restore the backup
[03:38] <PuRu_> can't try anything
[03:39] <PuRu_> its 3:40 in teh morning here lol
[03:41] <jrib> this is some kind of bug with the update
[03:41] <jrib> there are many threads on the forums now that I am looking
[03:42] <PuRu_> update from 6.06 to 6.10?
[03:43] <jrib> oh I thought you were in 6.10
[03:43] <PuRu_> i am in 6.10
[03:43] <PuRu_> so i can't use the nvidia driiver with ubuntu?
[03:43] <PuRu_> of not with any linux?
[03:43] <jrib> you can, this is almost certainly a bug with this package
[03:44] <jrib> lets downgrade to the earlier versions
[03:44] <PuRu_> if u know how
[03:44] <PuRu_> and if it doesnt take too long
[03:44] <jrib> apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-common linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) nvidia-glx   again please
[03:44] <PuRu_> because its getting late lol
[03:44] <PuRu_> erm
[03:44] <PuRu_> i cant even start x yet
[03:44] <jrib> ok, let me find it in the scrollback
[03:44] <PuRu_> replacing didnt work
[03:45] <PuRu_> but i can't start x yet
[03:45] <PuRu_> fucking xorg.conf is dead again
[03:45] <PuRu_> why does the fuicking backup not work :s
[03:45] <LjL> !language
[03:45] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:45] <PuRu_> its impossible
[03:45] <jrib> LjL: you know anything about this nvidia-glx problem?  There are a few threads on the forums but I don't remember it
[03:47] <jrib> PuRu_: can you get to the recovery mode prompt ok?
[03:47] <PuRu_> i can get to the normal prompt ok now
[03:47] <LjL> jrib: summarize?
[03:47] <PuRu_> but still no x
[03:47] <jrib> LjL: he installs nvidia-glx and has linux-restricted-* but X refuses to start
[03:48] <jrib> http://paste.uni.cc/12145 xorg.conf and http://paste.uni.cc/12144 log
[03:49] <jrib> and I get a page full of search results on the forums, but I'm not really sure of a solution.  Most recommend installing the beta driver... was going to try downgrading now
[03:49] <LjL> jrib: shouldn't that use nvidia-glx-legacy?
[03:49] <PuRu_> nope
[03:49] <jrib> not according to the nvidia site, and I have a similar card
[03:49] <PuRu_> i checked that, at first i followed the tutorial
[03:50] <PuRu_> but that didnt work so i came to ask here
[03:50] <PuRu_> and i'm 100% sure its a 420 go :-)
[03:53] <LjL> haven't got a clue
[03:54] <jrib> http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Latest_Nvidia_Edgy#PROBLEMS_SECTION mentions our cards PuRu_ though I never did that and mine worked
[03:54] <jrib> number 7 of the problems
[04:02] <PuRu_> what card do u have?
[04:02] <PuRu_> i'm gonna try this tomorrow
[04:03] <PuRu_> i'm too tired and need to work tomorrow
[04:03] <PuRu_> its 4 in the morning here
[04:03] <jrib> I have the 440
[04:03] <jrib> GeForce4 440 Go
[04:04] <jrib> easy way to downgrade would be to disable the security repository, remove nvidia-glx and the restricted packages and then install them again
[04:04] <jrib> in case you want to try that too
[04:05] <PuRu_> lol i'm even too tired to comprehend what you just typed
[04:06] <PuRu_> well i'm off to bed
[04:06] <jrib> night, hope you figure it out
[04:06] <PuRu_> i'll stay online, should u read something about it, please tell it here if i'm not disconnected yet
[04:07] <PuRu_> night night people
[06:41] <jrib> joeshmo: hello
[06:41] <joeshmo> hello
[06:41] <joeshmo> i think my fstab is real messed up
[06:41] <jrib> hmm, why?
[06:41] <joeshmo> it still has old ntfs lines in it
[06:41] <joeshmo> i got rid of those partitions and made them ext3
[06:41] <jrib> pastebin please
[06:42] <joeshmo> pastebin?
[06:42] <jrib> !pastebin
[06:42] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:42] <monoxide> is it true linux can write on a fat 32 partition
[06:42] <jrib> monoxide: yes
[06:42] <monoxide> kool ill have to convert my NTSF then
[06:42] <joeshmo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36584/
[06:43] <jrib> monoxide: windows can read and write to ext3 if you install the fs-driver
[06:43] <monoxide> fat32 seem easier
[06:43] <monoxide> i just have existing data from my old windows install
[06:43] <jrib> fat32 doesn't support linux permissions however
[06:44] <monoxide> I am going to just be using linux for now but I might soon go back to windows
[06:44] <jrib> joeshmo: "interesting"
[06:44] <jrib> monoxide: nope, you'll never go back
[06:44] <joeshmo> see
[06:44] <joeshmo> its because i used pysdm
[06:44] <joeshmo> it made all new lines
[06:44] <joeshmo> i want to start over
[06:45] <jrib> did it/you make a backup?
[06:46] <joeshmo> theres 2 backups here
[06:46] <joeshmo> idk if i made them
[06:46] <joeshmo> or it
[06:46] <joeshmo> but they are the same
[06:46] <joeshmo> should i just reinstall
[06:46] <jrib> nah that's overkill
[06:46] <jrib> pastebin the two backups
[06:47] <joeshmo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36585/
[06:47] <joeshmo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36586/
[06:47] <joeshmo> before pydsm there was just the top part
[06:48] <jrib> how about swap?
[06:48] <joeshmo> swap is on /dev/hda5
[06:48] <joeshmo> i have no NTFS now either
[06:48] <jrib> ah i see it now
[06:48] <joeshmo> but theres still lines for NTFS there
[06:49] <jrib> ok, well just delete the ntfs lines does that resolve the problem?
[06:49] <jrib> 18. /dev/hdd5                                  /media/hdd5     swap         sw                                  0  0
[06:49] <jrib> 21. /dev/hda2                                  /media/hda2     swap         sw                                  0  0
[06:49] <jrib> how about those?
[06:50] <joeshmo> wait
[06:50] <joeshmo> i deleted the hdd5 one
[06:50] <joeshmo> its only hda2 now
[06:51] <jrib> ok then maybe it's easier for you to delete all the ntfs, then go one by one with the ones below swap and keep what you have
[06:51] <joeshmo> so what does this fstab do anywyas
[06:51] <jrib> erm, below floppy
[06:51] <joeshmo> i read if its not in fstab then only root can use it?
[06:51] <jrib> joeshmo: it's the partitions that get mounted
[06:51] <jrib> no, it just doesn't get mounted when you boot
[06:52] <jrib> but yeah, only root can mount stuff not in fstab
[06:52] <joeshmo> ok
[06:52] <joeshmo> im just gonna delete it all and try doing it over with pydsm
[06:52] <jrib> ok
[06:52] <joeshmo> but what option would i have to put to make it read write
[06:52] <joeshmo> rw?
[06:53] <jrib> for ext3, just use permissions, don't use any fstab options
[06:53] <joeshmo> ok
[06:54] <joeshmo> permissions stay after reboot right
[06:54] <jrib> yes
[06:55] <joeshmo> ok im gonna try this pysdm with a new fstab
[06:55] <joeshmo> backed up the old one
[06:57] <joeshmo> how do i chmod or chown them tho
[06:57] <joeshmo> i dont understand it
[06:57] <joeshmo> how u use a number
[06:58] <jrib> take care of mounting them first, then I'll give you a quick intro
[06:58] <jrib> that way we can actually try it on what you've mounted
[06:58] <joeshmo> ok ill be back
[06:58] <joeshmo> hopefully
[07:02] <jrib> joepits: ok, your / is still in fstab?
[07:03] <joepits> nooo
[07:03] <joepits> no /
[07:04] <jrib> make sure you have proc, /, swap, cdrom, floppy like your old one did
[07:06] <jrib> joepits: why did you leave by the way?
[07:07] <joepits> rebooted
[07:07] <joepits> didnt have to right
[07:07] <jrib> nope
[07:08] <joepits> ok
[07:08] <joepits> the old one had all 0 1
[07:08] <joepits> the new one is all 0 0
[07:08] <joepits> i should make it 0 1?
[07:08] <jrib> no
[07:08] <jrib> only / should be 0 1
[07:09] <joepits> ok
[07:09] <jrib> others should have a 2 instead of a 1 if you want them checked
[07:09] <joepits> proc       /proc        proc  defaults  0  0
[07:09] <joepits> /dev/hda1  /            ext3  defaults,errors=remount-ro   0  1
[07:09] <joepits> /dev/hda2  /media/hda2  swap  defaults  0  0
[07:09] <joepits> /dev/hdb1  /media/hdb1  ext3  defaults  0  0
[07:09] <joepits> /dev/hdd1  /media/hdd1  ext3  defaults  0  0
[07:09] <joepits> /dev/sda2  /media/sda2  vfat  defaults  0  0
[07:10] <joepits> welll
[07:10] <joepits> ill do that stuff later
[07:10] <joepits> how do i chmod to make it so all users can touch them
[07:10] <joepits> i got my terminal open
[07:10] <jrib> swap and cdrom and floppy you are missing
[07:10] <jrib> oh not swap...
[07:11] <joepits> oh
[07:11] <jrib> your swap looks different than your original, just copy what that one had
[07:13] <joepits> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36589/
[07:13] <joepits> its pretty much the same as the old one but it doesnt have the UUID stuff idk what that is
[07:14] <jrib> hda5 used to be your swap
[07:15] <jrib> is that gone or something?
[07:15] <joepits> ya i got rid of that a while ago
[07:15] <joepits> do i just chmod 777
[07:16] <jrib> ok so lets do that, but don't forget you are missing floppy and cdrom
[07:16] <jrib> so if you have a permission like that with 3 numbers lets say 777
[07:16] <jrib> then the first number applies to the owner
[07:16] <jrib> the second number applies to the group
[07:16] <jrib> the last number is for everyone else, "other"
[07:17] <joepits> do i need a cdrom in there...
[07:17] <joepits> if i put a cd in it works
[07:17] <jrib> idk, it may mount it if you boot your computer wiht a cdrom in
[07:17] <joepits> oh
[07:17] <joepits> as for floppy, i cant find my cable
[07:17] <jrib> k
[07:18] <joepits> i dont really care about secuirty
[07:18] <jrib> I would just put it in commented
[07:18] <jrib> ok, so each number represents read, write, and execute permissions
[07:18] <joepits> ok
[07:18] <jrib> are you familiar with binary?
[07:18] <joepits> a little
[07:19] <jrib> ok, 100 do you know what that is in binary?
[07:19] <joepits> no
[07:19] <jrib> 1*2^2 + 0*2^1 + 0*2^0 = 4
[07:19] <joepits> oh right
[07:19] <jrib> 010 then is 0*2^2 + 1*2^1 + 0*2^0 = 2
[07:19] <jrib> and 001 is 1
[07:20] <jrib> now 7 is 4 + 2 + 1 = 111 in binary
[07:20] <jrib> so you can think about it this way, the first spot in binary is read, the second is write, the last is execute
[07:20] <jrib> or 4 is for read, 2 is for write, 1 is for execute
[07:21] <joepits> wow
[07:21] <jrib> if you want to give read and write, you add the numbers.  4+2=6
[07:21] <jrib> notice in binary this is 110
[07:21] <TheGilmanator> (Sorry to butt in, but it all makes sense now. It's taken me several years to get that. Thanks, jrib!)
[07:21] <joepits> now whyd they do it that way
[07:21] <joepits> just to be nerdy?
[07:22] <jrib> well it's a concise way to represent it, idk why they did it that way
[07:22] <joepits> so i want all users to read write and execute
[07:22] <jrib> ok, what do you think it should be then?
[07:22] <jrib> TheGilmanator: np :)
[07:22] <joepits> 777
[07:22] <TheGilmanator> jrib: I'll never have to look up a table again!
[07:23] <jrib> right, 7 gives read write and execute.  And you have 7 for users, for group, and for others
[07:23] <joepits> so i do that for the /dev/hdb1 etcetera
[07:23] <joepits> or for the /media/hdb1
[07:23] <jrib> just for the mount point
[07:23] <jrib> sudo chmod 777 /media/hdb1
[07:24] <jrib> chmod lets use easier ways to represent a permission as well
[07:25] <jrib> like   a+rwx   means give users, groups, and others read write and execute permissions
[07:25] <joepits> ok
[07:25] <joepits> lost and found
[07:26] <joepits> i cant get in there still but thas because its a root only thing?
[07:27] <jrib> hmm I'm not sure if permissions amtter or not, but you shouldn't use it.  It's for the filesystem
[07:27] <joepits> ok
[07:27] <joepits> well as long as i can put my files there which i can
[07:28] <jrib> joepits: did you try one of the paritions to test it out?
[07:28] <joepits> yeah i dragged af ile onto it
[07:28] <joepits> and it worked
[07:29] <joepits> idk why they cant give u a tool for that in ubuntu
[07:30] <joepits> but anywyas thanks for ur help
[07:30] <jrib> joepits: you can right click
[07:30] <joepits> ive been fretting over it all night
[07:30] <jrib> then permissions
[07:30] <joepits> yeah
[07:30] <joepits> but it says i cant ch ange them because im not root
[07:30] <jrib> but you'd need to run nautilus with 'gksudo nautilus'
[07:30] <joepits> ohh
[07:31] <joepits> just do that from console?
[07:31] <joepits> and it will start gdm and stuff
[07:31] <joepits> i know the other way to start gdm
[07:31] <jrib> joepits: start gdm?
[07:31] <joepits> idk
[07:31] <joepits> the window manager
[07:31] <joepits> or something
[07:31] <jrib> you are in gnome at the moment?
[07:31] <joepits> ya
[07:31] <jrib> just type 'gksudo nautilus' in a terminal
[07:33] <joepits> ok it didnt work
[07:33] <joepits> joe@joe-desktop:~$ gksudo nautilus
[07:33] <joepits> (nautilus:6173): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[07:33] <joepits> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[07:33] <joepits> (nautilus:6173): libgnomevfs-WARNING **: Failed to open session DBUS connection: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[07:33] <joepits> Volume monitoring will not work.
[07:33] <joepits> joe@joe-desktop:~$ gksu
[07:33] <joepits> joe@joe-desktop:~$
[07:33] <jrib> did nautilus still start?
[07:34] <joepits> oh well it opened up a new window yes
[07:34] <joepits> i have to use that one?
[07:34] <joepits> oh ya now i can do it through the permissions thing
[07:35] <jrib> yes, use it for what you need and then close it.  You can really mess stuff up if you get used to using it, so I'd recommend avoiding it
[07:35] <joepits> yeah they say taht
[07:35] <joepits> hehehehe
[07:35] <joepits> now im gonna go try and get wine to run CS
[07:35] <joepits> TYTYTY again
[07:36] <joepits> ty and goodnight
[07:36] <jrib> night
[07:37] <TheGilmanator> Dude, seriously. How come nobody ever explained permissions to me like that before?
[07:38] <jrib> spread the word
[06:56] <cntb> what is "DCC SCHAT "?
[06:58] <tonyyarusso> !exploit | cntb
[06:58] <ubotu> cntb: There are people around who think it is funny to abuse a bug in certain routers by sending invalid DCC commands. When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[06:59] <cntb> tonyyarusso, look pls
[06:59] <cntb> * Received 'DCC SCHAT "lol_jews_did_wtc" 0 0 0' from mrtanooki
[06:59] <tonyyarusso> cntb: Yep, we all saw that one.
[07:00] <cntb> so what happened to mrtanooki ?
[07:01] <cntb> tonyyarusso, must I fix all my installations of ubuntu ?
[07:01] <tonyyarusso> cntb: By putting that in #ubuntu people who are affected and haven't followed the instructions ubotu linked to get kicked offline, spamming the channel with quit messages.
[07:01] <tonyyarusso> cntb: If you didn't get kicked off by it, you can ignore it, and/or shout explitives at people who need a better hobby.
[07:02] <LjL> cntb: can you tell me when you received that? does your client timestamp?
[07:13] <cntb> yes LjL
[07:14] <cntb> 17:49:LjL,  timestamp  * Received 'DCC SCHAT "lol_jews_did_wtc" 0 0 0' from mrtanooki
[07:14] <LjL> tonyyarusso: actually i'd advice not speaking to them at all
[07:14] <LjL> i'm convinced that would be a positive feedback to them
[07:14] <tonyyarusso> LjL: Shoot, poor choice of words.
[07:14] <tonyyarusso> cntb: I meant "shout at" as in at the computer, not actually interacting with the people.  :P
[07:14] <tonyyarusso> LjL: Better?
[07:14] <LjL> cntb: (that was just to check your timezone, don't worry ;)
[07:15] <LjL> tonyyarusso: ah, yeah =) the computer probably deserves the expletives anyway
[07:15] <cntb> I am not allowed to do such CTCp time LjL  right ?
[07:15] <LjL> cntb: you aren't an identified user, so i guess not
[07:15] <LjL> !register
[07:15] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[07:16] <cntb> now I am identified
[07:16] <cntb> forgot to nickserv id
[07:17] <cntb> ;-)
[07:18] <cntb> btw any class hou any time soon ?
[07:18] <LjL> don't think
[07:19] <cntb> pls do ;-)
[07:20] <tonyyarusso> There's one on the calendar for this weekend; not sure of its status though.
[07:20] <LjL> well i could improvise a class myself about, uh... dunno. if i have to think "is there anything i know particularly well?", i can't come up with anything :PO
[07:21] <cntb> haha LjL  modest. good
[07:22] <LjL> well, there are people who know a lot about one topic
[07:22] <LjL> then there are people who know a few things about a few topics
[07:23] <LjL> then there's me - there's a LOAD of things i know a whole nothing about
[07:26] <cntb> ok still  you are helpful for quite some time to newcomers
[07:28] <tonyyarusso> LjL: We should have a class on cowspamming!
[07:30] <cntb> ok what is cowspamming ?
[07:33] <tonyyarusso> cntb: ASCII art pasting into the channel - normally a bad thing, but in special channels where nobody's trying to be productive, silly and fun ;)
[07:36] <cntb> ah seen that ty