=== theCore [n=alex@modemcable229.181-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === david_corrales [n=david@ip247-10.ct.co.cr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [i=user@69-87-142-66.async.iserv.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@cpc2-stok6-0-0-cust37.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas_ [n=dean@cpc2-stok6-0-0-cust37.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === MagicFab [n=magicfab@montreal.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:47] what's the licence of content at https://help.ubuntu.com/community ? Like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto/ScanModem ? [02:49] MagicFab: funny subject. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiLicensing === david_corrales [n=david@ip247-10.ct.co.cr] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:50] hi david_corrales Are you having any luck with scrollkeeper? [02:50] heya [02:50] actually I got the advice I was looking for [02:51] dsas, so it's currently *unlicensed* ??? [02:51] thanks for your interest :) [02:51] (well, (C) Canonical) [02:51] it was all about putting the docs inside /usr/share/gnome/help [02:51] to get them available through ghelp:name [02:52] MagicFab: Theoretically it's copyright Canonical yes. [02:53] ! [02:53] MagicFab: At least as far as I understand, I've not had anything to do with the discussions... the spec drafters are your best bet... [02:55] i thought we were moving to cc-by-sa or something [02:55] i can't keep it striaght eitehr [02:55] MagicFab: You get a glimpse of the headaches this is causing ;) [02:55] jjesse: They're trying to straighten it out, yes. [02:55] Well, I just came across a translation of those docs with a more restrictive licence [02:56] I just assumed it was all GFDL ! [02:56] jjesse: We are for the non-wiki docs, and I think it was/is intended to move the wiki docs to that license too [02:57] i just let mdke_ take care of the licensing ;) [02:57] i trust him [02:57] i know the docs got/are getting relecincesd to match the official ubuntu book [02:58] MagicFab: No-one ever stuck a license on the wiki. Hence all the problems it's causing, the "everything is owned by canonical" is something that's been thrown into the argument since I was last up to date with it. [02:59] dsas_: The way I've heard it is that it legally belongs to the vague legal entity of "the doc team", but I dunno [02:59] tonyyarusso: That goes for the shipped docs, but not the wiki docs afaik === dsas_ knows as little about this as everyone else [03:00] Some of the wiki docs are the shipped docs though [03:00] Clear as a whirlpool in a mudpuddle === dsas_ shrugs [03:00] tonyyarusso: heh, exactly. [03:01] david_corrales: Cool, how are the jokosher docs coming along? [03:02] Found the thread: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2006-November/007322.html [03:02] dsas_: well, I'm doing the final installation bits. Then, I'll have to tag the manual itself [03:02] Seems the spec was not accepted for a sprint at UDS, so it's been delayed [03:02] it needs updating and new secionts [03:02] sections* [03:05] MagicFab: that thread is about the shipped docs (the ones not in h.u.c/community) [03:05] huh [03:05] at least as I understand it... [03:06] MagicFab: There should be threads (and CC meeting logs) about the wiki licensing somewhere, though it's been going on for ages.. === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:08] mdke_ has been working for a long time on licesnign the wiki [03:08] that's preety much all i know :) [03:11] Aren't the shipped docs bases on the community docs ? [03:12] some of them are === dsas [n=dean@cpc2-stok6-0-0-cust37.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@modemcable229.181-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === david_corrales [n=david@ip247-10.ct.co.cr] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Ex-Chat"] === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bojicas [n=bojicas@ner-as11977.alshamil.net.ae] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mihakriket [n=mihakrik@68-235-112-223.kntnny.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:45] morning [08:45] hi mdke_ [08:46] hi mdke_ [08:48] hi mdke_ [08:55] how's it going? [08:56] it's going :-) [08:57] good [08:59] :] === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-doc.log [10:02] -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- [#ubuntu-server] Ubuntu Server Discussions (development and support) === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Topic for #ubuntu-doc: Ubuntu Documentation Team http://doc.ubuntu.com or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam | backlog at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | SVN - https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos | Please observe the Ubuntu CoC @ http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct | Next meeting: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/MeetingAgenda | Ubuntu's docs in dead-tree format: http://www.lulu.com/ubuntu-doc === Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by Seveas at Sun Nov 26 11:57:46 2006 === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-doc.log === willvdl [n=will@vc-196-207-41-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === motin [n=motin@c-138472d5.09-32-73746f42.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tonyyserver [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tonyyserver [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dgold [n=aiden@dsl-51-63.dsl.netsource.ie] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === motin [n=motin@c80-217-109-98.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-doc === twosouls82 [n=twosouls@cc100614-b.assen1.dr.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:10] hi all :) [01:10] hi there [01:18] I edited https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades [01:18] can someone check it? [01:19] I saved it a couple of times, my bad, sorry [01:20] I edited because I had to use "sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg" to get x working after upgrade instead of what was stated there [01:22] What did it say before? *curious* [01:23] sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg, I left that notice below my edit ;) [01:23] so you could revert [01:24] Hmm. I'm not familiar with the case in question, but seems to me 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' would be preferred to reinstalling. Don't know though. [01:24] tonyyarusso: true, that was below the reinstall option, so I moved it up one [01:25] ah [01:41] tonyyarusso: should I make it clearer that the reconfiguration is sufficient? (was on the phone) [01:42] twosouls82: If one works for sure, simplify it to only that. If it usually works, but the other may be necessary, say it like that. [01:43] I will go for the last on e:) === theCore [n=alex@modemcable229.181-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lionel_ [n=lionel@ip-61.net-82-216-103.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:07] tonyyarusso: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades [02:08] fixed, finally, a lot of phone calls which I couldn't ignore [02:08] grrr [02:08] and I am not a multitasker [02:09] twosouls82: Looks pretty good [02:09] good [02:09] merci tonyyarusso for the feedback [02:09] btw, I am allowed to edit and add documentation? who coordinates this? [02:10] I just did without asking =) [02:11] That's basically how it works yes, although if you haven't done it much having folks look over your work is a great idea. (There's also a doc-team mailing list you may be interested in) [02:12] tonyyarusso: I am looking for a regulation on the docs, does it exist too? [02:12] twosouls82: There's a Howto and guidelines, but I don't have the URLs handy [02:13] I'd start at /DocumentationTeam [02:13] np, I will Google harder now that I know it does exists [02:13] kay === twosouls82 found all he need at https://wiki.edubuntu.org/CategoryDocteam 's children [02:16] yay [02:16] s/need/needs/ [02:16] w00t w00t === kalon33 [n=kalon33@i02v-62-34-145-118.d4.club-internet.fr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kalon33 [n=kalon33@i02v-62-34-145-118.d4.club-internet.fr] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Kopete] === somerville32 [n=somervil@fctnnbsc15w-156034086016.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mihakriket [n=mihakrik@68-235-112-223.kntnny.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mihakriket [n=mihakrik@68-235-112-223.kntnny.adelphia.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === froud [n=froud@dsl-242-191-132.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host-84-9-170-34.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kalon33 [n=kalon33@i02v-62-34-145-118.d4.club-internet.fr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kalon33 [n=kalon33@i02v-62-34-145-118.d4.club-internet.fr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas_ [n=dean@cpc2-stok6-0-0-cust37.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ragnar_123 [n=ragnar@217.172.86.46] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas_ [n=dean@host-84-9-170-34.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kalon33 [n=kalon33@i02v-62-34-145-118.d4.club-internet.fr] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Kopete] === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ppp-145-108.25-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mihakriket [n=mihakrik@68-235-112-223.kntnny.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:30] I am working on some of the wiki documents but I have a general question. The wiki documents are the purpose of the wiki to provide the user with a howto on the subject or where to find information on the subject? === theCore [n=alex@unaffiliated/thecore] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:33] mihakriket: well, they could be a bit of both [09:34] depends on the subject and how big it is [09:35] LaserJock: hi [09:36] sorry I missed the CC meeting, congrats [09:36] Hi [09:36] LaserJock: thanks [09:37] theCore: for some reason I thought the meeting was tomorrow [09:37] I am working on a document in reguards to the commandline. I asked for feedback from people on features they would like to see in the document. My feedback I received had to do with BASH scripting. During my research on the subject, I found alot of already written guides. === ragnar_123 [n=ragnar@217.172.86.46] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [09:37] mihakriket: I think a bit of both would be good [09:38] mihakriket: or the one doing the Advanced Command Line guide? [09:38] like have a few common examples in the wiki and then link to "For more information try:" [09:41] mihakriket: oh, yes it's you [09:42] I'm the guy who sent the list of suggestions on the mailing list :) [09:42] theCore: that is the reason why I asked the question, I wanted to get an idea of how to present the info. [09:42] Oh, ok. Did you get my email back on that? [09:42] mihakriket: yes [09:43] mihakriket: Obviously, writing a such guide will be hard [09:45] theCore: What did you think of the idea of having a seperate document on just BASH scripting? [09:45] the biggest challenge is to make the guide easy to read, so people without much experience can understand the content [09:45] mihakriket: I think you shouldn't cover BASH scripting [09:46] there's a lot of good guides out there about Bash scripting [09:46] you should really focus on the command line power tools [09:48] so, it should focus on "being productive with the command line" [09:49] That's what I was thinking too. I was going to use the suggestion about the different shells in a section. [09:49] I loves Zsh [09:50] I've seen a lot of bash scripting documentation [09:50] it would be nice to have a "Command-Line Productivity" guide [09:50] I think Bash scripting should be forbidden ... [09:52] mihakriket: where will you write the document? [09:52] I have added command line navagation, such as keystrokes as well as info on the history command. I was going to add a section about alias and env variables as well. I was going to remove the section on scripting. [09:53] theCore: I am updating the current document in the wiki. [09:53] URL? [09:54] theCore: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdvancedCommandlineHowto?highlight=%28commandline%29 [09:54] thanks === willvdl [n=will@vc-196-207-41-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:04] theCore: what do you think of the document? [10:05] mihakriket: not bad. I need some structure, tough [10:08] I have just started to edit the document, so I am just brain storming. [10:09] mihakriket: have you seen: http://learnlinux.tsf.org.za/courses/build/shell-scripting/index.html ? [10:12] theCore: thanks, I will look at the doc. I was thinking of removing the scripting portion of the doc, this was in their before I starting editing the doc. [10:15] mihakriket: I'm writing something about shell globbing and regex === dsas_ [n=dean@host-84-9-170-34.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:20] theCore: I added a wildcard section in the CommandLine howto on the wiki. Maybe I can add a link to your document in the advance commandline doc? [10:24] theCore: I was going to add a section about regex but I will not, no use in redundancy in the wiki. [10:26] ? [10:26] the wiki doesn't contain a regex guide... [10:29] theCore: I was going to add a section on regex in the advance commandline doc. regex is used by some commands such as grep or awk correct? [10:30] mostly grep [10:30] not in AWK [10:33] ? [10:33] I think regex are used in awk, sed, a lot of tools [10:33] theCore: ok. [10:34] LaeserJock: that was what I was thinking, I was just double checking on that as we speak. [10:34] mihakriket: nevermind, awk uses regex [10:34] just a very weird type of regex [10:35] theCore: let me know when the document is completed, I will add a link in the Advanced commandline doc. [10:35] mihakriket: ok === ompaul [n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:20] i will say this everyone, we are definitely better doc wise then our mother Debian [11:21] i have been scouring their docs today looking for some info, and it isn't that great [11:30] hey nixternal, I remember seeing a discussion on why docs are not in bzr but can't seem to locate it anymore. [11:30] any pointers? [11:30] willvdl: why the ubuntu docs aren't? [11:31] we had a dicussion at our last meeting and a little follow up on the mailing list [11:31] nixternal: Do you mean the quality of the docs are the amount of docs? [11:32] LaserJock, ubuntu-docs etc. yeah [11:32] I'll check minutes and mailing list. I jsut rememebr _something_ on the wiki [11:32] hmm [11:33] I'm grappling with the seperation of "release docs" and "dynamic docs" [11:33] mhm [11:33] meaning e.g. About Ubuntu is a release doc. [11:33] mihakriket: both actually === enrico_ [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:34] it gets packaged and appears on CD, etc. [11:34] we have more info on pbuilder than debian does in our system docs (packaging guide) and definitely our wiki [11:34] willvdl: what would be a dynamic doc? generally I would think of wiki pages as dynamic docs [11:34] and then dynamic docs appear on the wiki (or pilfered from forum) [11:34] LaserJock, yeah [11:35] nixternal: it depends, they have much better policy documentation. We have better "guides" [11:35] but... some docs (or planned docs) are going to be dynamic [11:35] for example Edubuntu School Advocacy: needs to reflect releases but is also going to be constantly updates as marketing material === trappist [i=trappist@tra.ppi.st] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:36] yep [11:36] I think you'll always have that to some degree [11:36] so where does one keep it? [11:36] same place [11:36] not on the wiki and the svn is too release specific [11:36] so was wondering about bzr [11:36] we use svn for it [11:37] well, I'm not sure that bzr has an advantage over svn in that regard exactly [11:37] it's more of the packaging and build structure === crimsun [n=crimsun@dargo.trilug.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:37] LaserJock, currently the svn contains ubuntu-doc [11:37] which gets packaged and shipped [11:38] not all of it === nnonix [n=brad@xeon.bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:38] good point [11:38] you could have both release and dynamic docs in there [11:38] you just branch and build for release docs [11:39] while the dynamic docs are just built as needed [11:39] hmmm [11:40] bzr might give you a more flexibilty [11:40] where would one put dynamic docs? in the trunk under seperate directory or seperate branch? [11:40] doesn't matter [11:41] well, it's not really a branch per se [11:41] to build the release docs we have Makefiles, you just don't build/install the dynamic ones [11:41] for instance currently ESA isn't shipped [11:41] so it's a dynamic doc in that sense [11:41] but it is built in the makefile [11:42] not in any package [11:42] so we build it for the website I believe [11:42] aha [11:42] but it's not a release doc currently by your definition [11:43] right [11:43] even though ti uses the same makefile [11:43] so it's more about how you build them then where you put them [11:43] well, a single makefile can do many different things [11:44] more importantly in this case is the packaging [11:44] okie. I need to read up on the reasoning behind bzr vs svn. imagine it's an interesting read [11:44] I see your point [11:44] I think the bzr site has some interesting stuff [11:44] who does the packaging? [11:45] well, generally mdke or I for ubunt-docs [11:45] mostl Riddell for kubuntu-docs [11:45] mihakriket: I think I'm done [11:45] and where is it tracked what is packaged? [11:45] it's in the svn repo [11:46] under debian/ and kubuntu/debian/ === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-doc === crimsun_ [n=crimsun@dargo.trilug.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:46] aha [11:47] does https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/+source/ubuntu-docs enter into it? [11:47] well, that is the source package that get's uploaded [11:48] it's a snapshot of the svn repo [11:48] theCore: good deal. What is the url? [11:48] mihakriket: I didn't uploaded yet [11:48] just a sec [11:48] brill. LaserJock, thanks [11:49] we'll have an edubuntu-docs package soon enough [11:49] cool. [11:49] theCore: Are you posting the document into the wiki? [11:50] we mostly just need to get enough content to replace ubuntu-docs [11:50] LaserJock, it gets tricky when some of our docs are essentially marketing stuff [11:50] well, we can have release and dynamics docs side-by-side no problem [11:50] how is the automatic inclusion of ubuntu-doc material (for sake of reducing duplication) going to work? [11:51] we won't [11:51] by hand then at snapshot time [11:51] until Topic-Based comes into effect [11:51] well, what I'm saying is the idea is to totally replace the ubuntu-docs with edubuntu-docs [11:51] mihakriket: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ShellGlobbing [11:53] LaserJock, so edubuntu-doc being only value-add info [11:53] edubuntu-doc being complete documentation for an Edubuntu system [11:54] i.e. ubuntu-doc won't be installed [11:54] edubuntu being based on ubuntu, there is bound to be overlap of info [11:54] yep [11:54] but the idea was that the Edubuntu Handbook would be that [11:55] perhaps we will need to copy over the Ubuntu desktopguide I'm not sure [11:55] depends on how far along the handbook gets [11:55] LaserJock, it is bound to go that way [11:56] it is impractical for the handbook to cover edubuntu & base ubuntu info [11:56] impractical for the authors [11:56] yeah, well ... [11:57] we could install ubuntu-docs as well [11:57] but then we start getting into space issues [11:57] not necessarily install ubuntu-doc [11:58] but at least pull sections [11:58] it'll be some work, but doable [11:58] less work than rewriting [11:58] somebody needs to lead some effort there ;-) [11:58] that's what I'm trying to do :) [11:59] but need to understand the history etc. [11:59] I think pygi's original goal was to create a full-fledged Edubuntu book [11:59] that would go to a publisher [11:59] and be shipped as the complete Edubuntu documentation [11:59] mihakriket: the foo, bar examples should be changed to "real world" examples [11:59] LaserJock, still the goal only we're going broader [12:00] we want to target specific audiences with specific information === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:00] ok, so I think it'd be a wise thing to do to use the doc team for the release docs and non-marketing stuff [12:01] cbx33, jsut in time :) [12:01] and then set up a bzr repo tied to an LP team for the marketing stuff [12:01] was my thinking [12:01] sounds good [12:01] theCore: Where do you upload your docs? I have been editing docs on the wiki. [12:01] was what we were thinking right willvdl ? [12:01] we've consistently had trouble getting Edubuntu people to contribute to the doc team [12:01] one way is to continue authoring of handbook as original goal [12:01] cbx33 yeah [12:01] mihakriket: ^^ [12:02] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ShellGlobbing [12:02] and then draw info from it for other purposes as needed. [12:02] LaserJock, this way I hope to leverage more contribution from the marketing team [12:03] yeah, that would be good [12:03] and don't want to dilute the doc team too much [12:03] there is an edubuntu doc team [12:03] IMO, there shouldn't be [12:03] on LP anyway [12:03] theCore: I saw the doc, I mean how do people upload docs to the help.ubuntu.com site? [12:03] exactly [12:03] mihakriket: just invent your own url [12:04] mihakriket: then, edit and post [12:04] in effect it appears, but we miss the boat by seperating from it [12:04] the doc team has very good resources for documentation [12:04] and many reviewers [12:04] and Edubuntu has kind of been the last team to get onboard [12:05] so keep LP doc team [12:05] with ubuntu-doc project [12:05] and edubuntu-doc as another product [12:05] I'm not sure how it all works [12:05] ;) [12:06] but the issue is less with LP and more with people [12:06] LaserJock, spent an hour with salgado :) [12:06] with Kubuntu, the doc guys are a part of the doc team [12:06] but it still needs to be tracked with minimum effort [12:07] totally [12:07] so intelligent use of LP and wiki is key [12:07] we just need people working and joining the team, I really have had a hard time understanding why Edubuntu people seem to not get that [12:07] :( - I have to get off to bed now.... [12:07] up in about 6 hours [12:08] cbx33, up in 5 hours :P [12:08] please please willvdl could you send me a quick mail about what we decide ;) [12:08] then I'll get it fleshed out for the summary page ;) [12:08] cbx33, will do and check ubuntu-doc logs tomorrow [12:09] LaserJock, technical docs are always tedious [12:09] but I think we can curry favour on the marketing side [12:10] well, we get people and then nothing happens [12:10] that's been my issue [12:10] they need to be joining the doc team and getting involved [12:10] well, our community is smaller [12:11] what I'm saying is don't think of it as edubuntu docs [12:11] LaserJock, was suggesting to cbx33 an open letter - call for contributions to doc-team community [12:11] but as ubuntu doc people working on edubuntu [12:11] LaserJock, that's been my take since the beginning [12:11] theCore: How do create a url? [12:11] I think that's what we've missed for a while [12:11] I'm slowly populating the doc team wiki with edubuntu references [12:12] mihakriket: Just type it in your browsers address bar [12:12] and eventually specs into LP [12:12] mihakriket: Or you can create a link using [:PageName: page name] syntax [12:12] what seems to happen is a few people get all excited but they just stay a closed little team [12:12] nn [12:12] see ya willvdl and LaserJock [12:13] nn [12:14] LaserJock, I'm here to try and track/manage that. [12:14] yeah [12:14] I'm glad you're here :-) [12:14] won't have time to author much unfortunately [12:14] which I'd like since I've done a looot of that in the past [12:14] I guess what I'm saying is that the biggest problem from my standpoint is not a technological one, but a social one [12:15] I hear you [12:15] we have everything in place for an edubuntu doc team [12:15] we just need people to join and work [12:15] instead of wandering off trying to reinvent the wheel [12:16] well, lemme look deeper at LP, maybe we can keep the edubuntu doc SUB-team [12:16] so I think if you can push people toward the doc team [12:16] perhaps [12:16] and move subscriptions up [12:16] but you can do the whole thing without LP if you want [12:16] actually, nah, still makes no sense [12:17] I think the an edubuntu-marketing team might be better to house the marketing stuff [12:17] LaserJock, LP works nicely for bugs, reviewing, proofing etc. === cbx33 [n=prochat1@84-45-238-195.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc