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Hobbsee@schedule sydney06:17
UbugtuSchedule for Australia/Sydney: 13 Dec 02:00: Loco Team | 13 Dec 03:00: Community Council | 13 Dec 23:00: Edubuntu | 15 Dec 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 20 Dec 07:00: Technical Board | 21 Dec 07:00: Edubuntu06:17
nixternalheh06:18
nixternal@schedule chicago06:19
UbugtuSchedule for America/Chicago: 12 Dec 09:00: Loco Team | 12 Dec 10:00: Community Council | 13 Dec 06:00: Edubuntu | 14 Dec 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 19 Dec 14:00: Technical Board | 20 Dec 14:00: Edubuntu06:19
nixternallovely, means i have to set an alarm on my off week ;(06:19
Hobbseethose seem relatively sane for you06:21
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-meeting: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 12 Dec 15:00 UTC: Loco Team | 12 Dec 16:00 UTC: Community Council | 13 Dec 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 14 Dec 16:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 19 Dec 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 20 Dec 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu
=== Topic (#ubuntu-meeting): set by Ubugtu at Fri Dec 8 01:14:13 2006
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zarul[brb] the meeting will be about 6 hours from now Am I right?11:43
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dholbach@schedule berlin11:46
UbugtuSchedule for Europe/Berlin: 12 Dec 16:00: Loco Team | 12 Dec 17:00: Community Council | 13 Dec 13:00: Edubuntu | 14 Dec 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 19 Dec 21:00: Technical Board | 20 Dec 21:00: Edubuntu11:46
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zarul[brb] @schedule kuala lumpur12:06
zarul[brb] @schedule kuala_lumpur12:06
UbugtuSchedule for Asia/Kuala_Lumpur: 12 Dec 23:00: Loco Team | 13 Dec 00:00: Community Council | 13 Dec 20:00: Edubuntu | 15 Dec 00:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 20 Dec 04:00: Technical Board | 21 Dec 04:00: Edubuntu12:06
fernando@schedule brazil12:08
fernando:P12:08
fernando@schedule sao_paulo12:10
UbugtuSchedule for America/Sao_Paulo: 12 Dec 13:00: Loco Team | 12 Dec 14:00: Community Council | 13 Dec 10:00: Edubuntu | 14 Dec 14:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 19 Dec 18:00: Technical Board | 20 Dec 18:00: Edubuntu12:10
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gnomefreak@schedule new_york12:24
UbugtuSchedule for America/New_York: 12 Dec 10:00: Loco Team | 12 Dec 11:00: Community Council | 13 Dec 07:00: Edubuntu | 14 Dec 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 19 Dec 15:00: Technical Board | 20 Dec 15:00: Edubuntu12:24
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cbx33hi who's going to be at the meeting later?12:34
Hobbseecbx33: green aliens?12:35
cbx33eh12:35
cbx33heh12:35
cbx33I need to give my support for someones membership application to someone12:35
Hobbseeis there a communitycouncil@u.c?12:36
Hobbseeor something?12:36
Hobbseethere is for the tech board12:36
cbx33hmmm not sure12:36
cjwatsoncommunity-council@lists.u.c12:36
cbx33thanks12:37
GazzaK@schedule london12:37
UbugtuSchedule for Europe/London: 12 Dec 15:00: Loco Team | 12 Dec 16:00: Community Council | 13 Dec 12:00: Edubuntu | 14 Dec 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 19 Dec 20:00: Technical Board | 20 Dec 20:00: Edubuntu12:37
GazzaK4pm - woo12:37
cjwatsonyou're welcome to mail comments there12:37
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cbx33thanks cjwatson12:38
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tonyyarussocjwatson: Do you have any idea whether membership applications will be considered this time around, and if not, when they may?12:39
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cjwatsonI imagine they will, but I've retired from the CC so I'm trying not to think about it too much (though I'll still have to be there this time because the nominations haven't been done yet)12:40
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Hobbseecjwatson: who are the CC people now?  when are they decided?12:41
tonyyarussocjwatson: All right, I'll still try to be present (and awake) then.  Sev suggested they likely wouldn't b/c of the length of the agenda.12:41
cjwatsonHobbsee: since the nominations haven't happened yet, I do not know12:41
cjwatsontonyyarusso: Seveas is not (yet?) on the CC12:41
tonyyarussocjwatson: No, but is closer connected than myself ;)12:41
cjwatsonit's possible we might only get through some of the members, but I think it would be a bad idea to skip them altogether12:42
tonyyarussoAgreed12:42
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tonyyarussoDo you know if they're still doing the "paste an introduction into the channel" format, or just linking to LP and wiki pages?12:43
tonyyarusso(Sorry for the slew of questions, I have a tendency to latch onto people who are "in the know" when I find them at times.)12:43
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cjwatsontonyyarusso: I don't know12:51
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tonyyarussocjwatson: Okay, thanks anyway!12:51
cjwatsontonyyarusso: it would be best not to do that with me with respect to the CC12:51
tonyyarussocjwatson: Because you're term is up or am I being annoying?12:52
cjwatsonthe former12:53
cjwatsonI'm just a lame duck CC member :)12:53
GazzaKquack quack12:54
tonyyarussoFair enough :)12:54
tonyyarussolol GazzaK12:54
GazzaK(sorry had to)12:54
gnomefreaktonyyarusso: the new member process is part of todays agenda but as it stands i believe the paste your intro is still happening until it is decided what the new process will be12:59
tonyyarussognomefreak: Roger that12:59
MehdiHassanpour.01:00
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tonyyarusso@schedule toronto01:49
UbugtuSchedule for America/Toronto: 12 Dec 10:00: Loco Team | 12 Dec 11:00: Community Council | 13 Dec 07:00: Edubuntu | 14 Dec 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 19 Dec 15:00: Technical Board | 20 Dec 15:00: Edubuntu01:49
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BlueT_@schedule02:20
UbugtuSchedule for Etc/UTC: 12 Dec 15:00: Loco Team | 12 Dec 16:00: Community Council | 13 Dec 12:00: Edubuntu | 14 Dec 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 19 Dec 20:00: Technical Board | 20 Dec 20:00: Edubuntu02:20
BlueT_@schedule taipei02:21
UbugtuSchedule for Asia/Taipei: 12 Dec 23:00: Loco Team | 13 Dec 00:00: Community Council | 13 Dec 20:00: Edubuntu | 15 Dec 00:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 20 Dec 04:00: Technical Board | 21 Dec 04:00: Edubuntu02:21
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Seveazgnomefreak: definitely not all members02:24
Seveazgnomefreak: also note that the new member procedure is changing and may be changed retroactively for current candidates02:25
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zul@schedule montreal03:10
UbugtuSchedule for America/Montreal: 12 Dec 10:00: Loco Team | 12 Dec 11:00: Community Council | 13 Dec 07:00: Edubuntu | 14 Dec 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 19 Dec 15:00: Technical Board | 20 Dec 15:00: Edubuntu03:10
beuno@schedule argentina03:11
effie_jayxbeuno try buenos aires03:11
beuno@schedule buenos aires03:11
beuno@schedule buenos_aires03:11
UbugtuSchedule for America/Argentina/Buenos_Aires: 12 Dec 12:00: Loco Team | 12 Dec 13:00: Community Council | 13 Dec 09:00: Edubuntu | 14 Dec 13:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 19 Dec 17:00: Technical Board | 20 Dec 17:00: Edubuntu03:11
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beuno;)03:11
beunogood, I got the time right03:12
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effie_jayx@schedule caracas03:15
UbugtuSchedule for America/Caracas: 12 Dec 11:00: Loco Team | 12 Dec 12:00: Community Council | 13 Dec 08:00: Edubuntu | 14 Dec 12:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 19 Dec 16:00: Technical Board | 20 Dec 16:00: Edubuntu03:15
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zarulso when is the meeting gonna start?03:44
apokryphoszarul: see /topic03:44
apokryphos16:00 UTC03:44
dinda16 minutes03:44
cjwatsonno, use 'date -u' to find out the current UTC time03:45
cjwatsonyou're an hour off03:45
zarullol03:45
Ma1kelutc = gmt +2?03:45
cjwatsonhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTC03:46
zarulgod, it's late at night here, gotta to wake up early tomorrow, I wish the meeting will be 3-4 hours earlier, will be easier for Asian people like me03:46
zarulgmt and gmc is not much different03:47
zarul*gmc/UTC03:47
Ma1kelTime zones around the world are expressed as positive or negative offsets from UTC. In this role, UTC is also referred to as Zulu time (Z) (see Time zones below). UTC is often referred to as Greenwich Mean Time when describing time zones, although strictly UTC's atomic time scale is only approximately the same as GMT.03:48
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Loco Team | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 12 Dec 16:00 UTC: Community Council | 13 Dec 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 14 Dec 16:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 19 Dec 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 20 Dec 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu
Ma1kelwas the loco teams meeting cancelled?03:50
BlueT_zarul: agree with you, but there're many people doesn't live at Asia. (i'm form taiwan, it's 22:51 here ToT)03:51
zarulI hope CC meeting start earlier them....03:51
zarul*then03:51
apokryphosit won't, no03:52
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zarulyeah...or perhaps the council can do something like, having someone to handle the asian session..03:52
BlueT_zarul: haha, but it's a globle meeting03:53
zarulyeah03:53
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BlueT_2 minutes later03:58
Seveazjono!04:00
jonoheya sevea04:00
jonoheya Seveaz04:00
BlueT_Seveaz: y004:00
Seveazhow about a meeting ;)04:01
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BlueT_Seveaz: waiting for someone to start04:03
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SeveazBlueT_: that's why I jelled at jono04:03
SeveazHe's the community master04:03
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Seveazhey ryan!04:03
ubuntugeekhey hows it going04:04
nixternaloy04:04
Seveazola04:05
beunohey ubuntugeek, I'm Martin, from the Argentina LoCo04:05
jonook04:05
effie_jayxbeuno,  :D04:05
jonosorry, was delayed04:05
jonoso, who is here for the meeting?04:05
ubuntugeekhey martin, hows the forum working out04:05
zarulme04:05
morgsme too04:05
Seveazme (as spectator)04:05
dindadinda, aka Belinda from Texas and Ubuntu Women04:06
=== BlueT_ Matthew Lien, leader of Ubuntu-TW
looksausme04:06
ubuntugeekme as me04:06
jonocool04:06
BlueT_me04:06
beunogreat, seems it's the most active LoCo on there by far, everyone es pretty happy about having a spanish forum04:06
beunome04:06
=== imtheface Andy from Indonesian Team
effie_jayxme04:06
jonois joey here?04:06
imthefacehi all04:06
ubuntugeekGreat, i am pretty pleased how well the loco forums are doing there.04:06
effie_jayxEfrain Valles for the Venezuela Team04:06
morgsMorgan Collett for the South African Team04:06
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jonoseems joey is not around04:07
mruizMiguel Ruiz -> Chilean Team04:07
beunowe're pleased too  ;D    -  I might take a few minutes of our time later if you can spare it about a small bug on the tagging system04:07
ubuntugeeksure no problem..04:07
jonook, who suggested the loco communications item?04:07
effie_jayxME04:07
=== beuno Martin Albisetti from the Argentina LoCo
looksausjono, before we start, it might be interesting to to make a summary of what was discussed (either through gobby or one volunteer)04:08
jonolooksaus: this meeting is logged04:08
looksaussomething that can be easily digested by al locoteams list readers...04:08
=== beuno volunteers
jonoif someone wants to summarise it, that would be great04:08
beunoI can right it up in spanish and english04:08
looksausbeuno, that would be splendid!04:08
jonoin fact, it would be awesome to have regular meeting summaries posted to loco-contacts after each meeting04:08
jonothanks beuno04:08
beunonp04:08
jonoso, loco communication04:09
jonowho added that?04:09
effie_jayxme04:09
effie_jayxI added InterloCo comunication04:09
jonowhat do you mean by that effie_jayx?04:09
effie_jayxok... to avodi fragmnetation... I think more contact from other loCo within a region is a good way04:10
jonoright, so what kind of region?04:10
effie_jayxjono,  lok at south america04:10
jonoin a country? in a continent?04:10
mruizfor example, comunication between latin american LoCo04:10
effie_jayxajam04:10
looksausyou mean because of the language barrier?04:10
mruizyes04:10
beunosame speaking language LoCo's would be a good example04:10
looksaus(towards using the EN speaking list)04:11
jonothere has been some discussion about uniting loco teams at a language level as well as a country level04:11
beunothey might tend to duplicate translation efforts04:11
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jonothe difficult thing here is that there is no single rule we can apply for how things are divided up04:11
jonofor example, in the US, it makes sense to divide things at a state level04:12
jonobut it would not make sense to divide the UK at a country level for example04:12
effie_jayxsure but as a whole latin america is a big group of peope...04:12
effie_jayxand in the past week04:12
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beunomaybe some centralized place wher everyone can put what they're working on04:12
beunoand what they've done04:12
effie_jayxthe teams have joined in a very nice way but without folloing a blueprint or previous experience04:13
looksausthere is of course a real danger of fragmentation in the sense of04:13
BlueT_beuno: sounds nice04:13
looksausspanish speaking teams growing into a kind of isle04:13
beunothat way before starting a proyect you can check out if someone is already puruing it, and help them out04:13
looksausthat doesn't communicate enough with the non-spanish speaking world04:13
effie_jayxlooksaus interesting that you mention04:14
looksaushow would you stimulate these teams to communicate with the rest of the world?04:14
effie_jayxI am new to the loCo team work04:14
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beunothat would be a great idea, group LoCo's by language and have some sort of intercomunication between them, someone willing to translate what's going on04:14
effie_jayxand I am here representing my loco04:14
mruizthese are latin america teams: Argentina, Bolivia, Colombia, Chile, Costa Rica, Guatemala, Espan~a, Mexico, Peru, Venezuela04:14
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beunobut also, Spain, which happens to be in a different continent04:15
effie_jayxwhen I brought the question to jono04:15
jonoso how do we think we can improve communication?04:15
jono it seems to me that geographically close teams should start out be just engaging in communication04:15
nejodei'm with you effie_jayx04:15
effie_jayxjono,  we need to follow a path to better communication within ourselves (loco teams in lat america)04:16
effie_jayxand we turned to you to ask if there is a04:16
jonoeffie_jayx: how many teams are in latin america?04:16
effie_jayxaprecendet...04:16
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effie_jayxaround 1104:16
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effie_jayxand we need to keep ourselves oriented to what the loCo's in europe are doing04:17
looksauseffie_jayx, would it make sense to create comm infrastructure based upon common language, rather than geography?04:17
jonoright, so there 11 teams in the same refion?04:17
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jonoregion04:17
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looksausbecause that seems to be the barrier not to participate directly in the general loco list right?04:17
effie_jayxlooksaus,  part of it... yes...04:18
beunoI agree, language is the barrier, not geographical location04:18
jonoyes04:18
BlueT_agree04:18
jonothe real key here is language04:18
beunoI count 8 LoCo teams listed that speak spanish04:19
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mruizthe main idea is to coordinate between latin american LoCo04:19
jonoI think we need to think of ways in which we can unite similar languages but maintain their own location04:19
beunospanish-speaking LoCo's  ;D04:19
jonowe don't want language connections to fragement the general community though04:19
looksausjono, maybe if you remember the discussion we had last week04:20
looksauswe can grab some solution from there04:20
beunojono, that's why I think maybe we can have ppl in charge of comunicating to the other languages04:20
effie_jayxjono, we want to help out send the message...04:20
beunosumming up every 2 weeks or something like that04:20
effie_jayxjono,  nejode and I come from the venezuela team...04:20
effie_jayxjono, and there ... people have just begun to discover all the LoCo team related stuff.04:20
BlueT_jono: just like ubuntu-zh includes ubuntu-tw, ubntu-cn and ubuntu-hk ?04:21
effie_jayxnew vs arpoved and the benefits of being aproved04:21
looksauslike... if you create a mailing list for spanish speaking teams, add a header or footer to lure users to the main international list04:21
beunoI don't think that you *need* to have all spanish speaking ppl in one mailing list04:21
effie_jayxand the benefits of being talknig to people that have the same issues all around the world ... not to invent the wheel again04:21
jonosorry reading up04:22
jonoI am in the office today, keep getting called04:22
looksausbeuno, I'm just suggesting how a communications channel between spanish speaking locoteams should be closely connected to the international one04:22
beunolooksaus, ooh, sorry04:23
effie_jayxlooksaus,  most certainly ... we will look into ir04:23
beunolike have *regional* LoCo meetings04:23
beunoand then International04:23
looksausthere might be more ways than this header/footer idea for a mailing list04:23
mruiztime ago, I proposed my Spanish Planet Ubuntu idea (https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-website/+ticket/1664) to improve comunication between latinamerican LoCo Teams04:23
beunoso one representative from each region (language) meet04:23
looksausmruiz, very good idea!04:23
effie_jayxlooksaus,  you are right... and I hope you can understand we want to all stay put to the international comunity04:23
looksausof course, just thinking about ways to do so04:24
effie_jayxlooksaus,  but not as 1 from chile ,, 2 from venezuela, 3 from argentina ) but as a group04:24
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jonoright04:24
jonoso we need to divide this problem into the language and country level04:24
jonobrb phone04:25
effie_jayxso we can better pass down the information that comes from the mothership (locoteams) :D04:25
beunoyes, sounds like the most reasonable04:25
lophylapoh, loco meeting.. damn, totally forgot about that one04:25
effie_jayxso04:26
jonoback04:26
zarullol04:26
jonobackok04:27
jonoI think there is a very obvious need for language connections04:27
effie_jayxlooksaus,  I am really intereste in your insight and this is a question that came up 2 weeks a go in the LoCo teams presentaion by elkbuntu04:27
jonoit makes sense for those with similar languages to work together04:27
beunomaybe all same speaking language teams vote for 1 representative among them04:27
jonobut isnt that just a translation effort?04:27
BlueT_all the chinese language LoCo has already solved this problem :p04:27
jonoBlueT_: how?04:28
looksausi think not just a translation effort... lots of people don't have the skills to express themselves in EN04:28
BlueT_jono: we had aleady have our channel and mailing list04:28
beunojono, part of the problem is translation, but part of it might be centralizing information (and this applies to all LoCo's)04:28
jonobeuno: hang on a sec, centralising translated docs?04:28
jonoor all docs?04:28
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BlueT_jono: geo-depend problem are solved by LoCo channels and mailing lists04:29
beuno<beuno> maybe some centralized place wher everyone can put what they're working on04:29
jonobeuno: thats the ubuntu wiki04:29
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effie_jayxjono, ajam...04:29
looksausbeuno, and the locoteams mailing list04:29
jonoand for generic loco documentation, that does in the loco knowledge base04:29
jonolooksaus: indeed04:29
BlueT_jono: ubuntu-zh channel and mailing list are for all chanese LoCo04:29
beunobut is there somewhere I can go and see "ok, I'm not going to translate the CoC because the venezuela team already did"04:29
BlueT_jono: to solved language-depend problems04:30
jonobeuno: nope, but this is more of a rosetta problem04:30
jonoI don't think we can solve this at a policy level04:30
looksausjono, the problem is getting those who are not comfortable speaking/reading EN to see what happens in the rest of the world04:30
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jonoit is indeed a problem, but I think we need to feed more content through rosetta and allow loco teams to subscribe to languages04:30
looksausand to push out what happens in theirs04:30
effie_jayxjono,  at the same time it is our issue... cuz my Loco04:30
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jonolooksaus: I understand, and I agree04:31
beunowell, at a policy level what I think might solve it is having "regional" (language) meetings, and have 1 or 2 ppl represent them in international meetings04:31
beunodefeating the language barrier04:31
looksausbeuno, we're too much a volunteer group to rely on that04:31
jonolooksaus: but then again, why would a french speaker in canada care about what is happening in france?04:31
mruizbueno, in Chilean Wiki we have the spanish CoC04:31
beunomruiz, http://www.uluga.com.ar/wiki/CoC04:32
beuno;D04:32
beunosee what I mean04:32
looksausjono, because it might actually be a very good idea that is also interesting to someone in Denmark04:32
BlueT_jono: it had been worked for a year :)04:32
mruizbueno, http://wiki.ubuntu-cl.org/FirmandoElCodigoDeConductaComo04:32
jonolooksaus: I think this is too big a problem to solve with an open process like we have - there is no way to update locos of interest with informaton that is specific to a particular context04:32
jonounless I am not understanding the problem?04:32
jonoBlueT_: what has? explain what you did04:33
effie_jayxjono, the proble goes beyond the language...04:33
BlueT_23:29 < BlueT_> jono: geo-depend problem are solved by LoCo channels and mailing lists04:33
BlueT_23:29 < BlueT_> jono: ubuntu-zh channel and mailing list are for all chanese LoCo04:33
beunomruiz, oh, we translated the CoC itself, you translated "how to sign it"04:33
BlueT_23:30 < BlueT_> jono: to solved language-depend problems04:33
mruizbueno, http://wiki.ubuntu-cl.org/CodigoDeConducta/Version1.0.104:33
jonoBlueT_: right, so problems for a specific team are solved on their mailing list and channel?04:33
beuno;D04:33
BlueT_jono: yes04:33
beunothen we both duplicated efforts on that04:33
jonoeffie_jayx: where else is the problem?04:34
BlueT_jono: and we're building a co-maintain wiki site04:34
jonoBlueT_: right, and every team has their own list and channel? what is the problem?04:34
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effie_jayxjono,  I am thinking people are not understanding the ubuntu culture ...04:34
jonoso is the problem we are discussing, how we solve two teams with the same language translating the same things, because they never knew they were doing it?04:34
effie_jayxor they are living it in their own way... which is good04:34
beunoI think having a language-based list and channel doesn't solve anything if it's not organized to take advantage of it04:34
effie_jayxbut in my loco04:34
effie_jayxthings were being done truth a lug04:35
jonoif the problem is the one I listed above, then that is a Rosetta issue, and not something we can solve04:35
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BlueT_jono: approved LoCo members will hang on both side (LoCo channel and co-maintain channel)04:35
jonoI think we can make strides to improve communication between teams where possible, and I like the idea of having a general mailing list for languages04:35
effie_jayxwhich help keepping it a float for a while ... but not counting with some language councelor really made it difficul04:35
jonoBlueT_: sorry, co-maintain channel?04:35
looksausmy understanding of the problem is: x spanish speaking locoteams have a lot of information to share, but few of the members are good EN speakers04:36
beunolooksaus, that sums it up04:36
looksausso a lot of information doesn't come down from the locoteams list, and doesn't go up to the locoteams list04:36
BlueT_jono: ooops.. i don't know how to explain it... just like #ubuntu-some-language04:36
jonoBlueT_: right, so you mean an IRC channel for a language04:36
BlueT_jono: core members of ubuntu-tw, ubuntu-cn, and ubuntu-hk will all on both #ubuntu-CC and #ubuntu-ZH (ZongHua)04:37
jonolooksaus: right, so the problem is how to better integrate non-EN speakers into the community04:37
mruizlooksaus, this is the real language problem!04:37
looksausabsolutely04:37
effie_jayxjono,  yessss :04:37
effie_jayx:D04:37
beunojono, exactly what I had in mind04:37
BlueT_jono: those people share informations on the channel04:38
looksausso what I was proposing was to have some spanish communication channel that stimulates those spanish speakers who _are_ proficient in english to make sure information flows from and to the main (EN speaking) channel04:38
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zarulthat is a good idea04:39
jonolooksaus: I agree its a problem, but its impossible to solve - there is no process or structure we can create to get everyone involved, other than manding english as the normal language for communication, which we do now04:39
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jonolooksaus: I think that it would be difficult to have ambassadors who speak english to feed non-english content back upstream04:39
beunojono, maybe part of the LoCo instructions on how to manage a LoCo can intruct that team leaders should have fluent communication between them04:39
Seveazjono: we coulda ll learn esperanto...04:39
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looksausjono, not formally appointed people04:40
jonoI think we should encourage each loco team to have an english speaker though04:40
beunoonce they are in communication then the rest of the info will flow by itself04:40
jonoyou know, it sucks that we have to always talk in english for a bunch of people, but there is no other way around it04:40
ypsilapruhust04:41
jonoright now we require english as the language, but I think we only require english for interaction with the wider loco team project04:41
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jonoso the loco can talk entirely in their own language, but only need to use english when talking to the wider project04:41
effie_jayxjono,  we are not bothered by all the English... believe me ...04:41
jonoeffie_jayx: right04:41
effie_jayxjono,  75 % of the content on the internet is in English04:42
BlueT_jono: absolutly04:42
beunoI don't think that's where the problem should be solved, I think we need to make sure somehow the information gets passed around enough04:42
jonobeuno: what information and passed where?04:42
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looksausjono, no matter how you turn it, a spanish speaking channel is going to grow anyway04:42
jonolooksaus: I never said I didnt want that?04:42
jonoI am happy for any language channel to grow, thats fine04:43
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BlueT_looksaus: just register it from ChanServ04:43
looksausno, of course not, but the thing we should do is make sure the relevant information discussed there gets passed around04:43
effie_jayxlooksaus,  but people could keep an eye on it... and make shure the efforts for streamlining things in loCo's around the wolrd don't leave the spanish people behind04:43
looksausstimulate that04:43
beunojono, if all the spanish speaking LoCo's have some sort of *standarized* communication then at least they all know what's going on between them. They're always going to be english speaking memebers that will bring those issues up in the wider project of the LoCo's04:43
looksausexactly what I'm trying to suggest practival solutions for04:43
jonolooksaus: sure, and again, I agree, but how do we do that? we can't just assign people to do it for us, it never works, so how do we do it in a natural way?04:43
looksausjono, like we discussed for not fragmenting newsletter and active core for 1 loco...04:44
beunoyeap04:44
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jonolooksaus: what do you mean?04:44
beuno1 member per LoCo to comunicate with all the rest of same-language speaking ones04:44
looksausone useful step would be to add a header/footer to every mailing list message of this spanish list04:44
jonosorry, I think I have missed bits of discussion here04:44
beunothat's all04:44
looksausthat encourages participation to the intl list04:44
jonoright04:45
looksausclearly pointing to the intl list in the mailing list definition04:45
looksausthings like that04:45
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jonoI think in the project now, it is clear that locos should be reading loco-contacts04:45
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Ma1kelSUSE 10.2 FOR LIVE04:46
Ma1kelj/k04:46
jonolooksaus: what do you mean for the newsletter?04:46
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looksauserr, we assembled a list of +-100 people who were not interested in following the intense communication on the locoteam list04:46
looksausbut they were interested in ubuntu related activities in Belgium04:47
jonoahhh, the -announce thing04:47
looksausyes04:47
jonoright, I am with you04:47
jonosorry04:47
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looksaus:)04:47
looksausjoin the club :p04:47
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ypsila:-D04:47
Ma1kelYea guys thinking about adding a Slab menu for Feisty?04:47
Ma1kel*You04:47
beunohow about having a LoCo regional meeting to discuss this, manually contact all of them, and see what ideas popup?04:48
effie_jayxbeuno, sounds ok04:48
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zarulyea, that will make things easier04:48
jonowell I think the discussion of -announce lists is something we could discuss at the next meeting04:48
zaruland it will solve a lot of things, including the timezone issue04:48
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looksausok (just mentioned it because of similarities with the native language loco comm channels)04:49
jonoI think a general -announce list may be a good idea04:49
jonofor the loco teams, that is04:49
effie_jayxok04:50
mruizjono, can we vote for meeting date and hour?04:50
jonomy concern is that if every loco has an -announce list, we balloon the number of lists, and it may fragment discussion, unless each -announce list can only have a single poster04:50
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jonomruiz: nope, we set them fortnightly04:51
mruiz:-(04:51
jonomruiz: so the next one is two weeks today04:51
beunojono, that's what I'm thinking, one person per LoCo04:51
looksausjono, maybe better keep this for next meeting... getting close to going overtime...04:51
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looksaus?04:51
jonoyeah04:51
ubuntu_demonhey04:51
jonolets defer this to the next meeting, good work chaps :)04:51
mruizgood bye jono04:51
effie_jayx:D04:51
looksausbeuno, you still feel like summarising this mess? :)04:52
beunolol04:52
jonomruiz: I am staying for the CC meeting :P04:52
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mruizjono, me too :P04:52
jonomruiz: :)04:52
LoudMouthMantheres a meeting ?04:52
beunowho should I send it to?04:52
jonoLoudMouthMan: :)04:52
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mruizLoudMouthMan, LoCo meeting04:52
jonobeuno: send it to me04:52
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Ma1kel8 minutes till meeting04:53
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jonoheya MikeB-04:53
Ma1kelThe idea is jerking me off right here04:53
looksaushi MikeB- !04:53
beunojono, email address?04:53
SeveazMa1kel: behave04:53
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MikeB-hello all04:53
looksausbeuno, or the list...04:53
jonobeuno: jono AT ubuntu DOT com04:53
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beunolooksaus, I'll send it to jono first to make sure it's OK04:54
jonoI think regular meeting summaries with rock :)04:54
beunoI don't mind doing summeries at all04:54
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mruizthat's a good idea04:55
ubuntu_demonMikeB = Mike Basinger or Mike Braniff ?04:55
MikeB-Mike Basinger04:55
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johnboy59hi04:56
Seeker` hi04:56
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mruizhi04:56
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BlueT_ciao04:56
lguerrahi04:56
mruizbye BlueT_04:57
kalon33hi04:57
sistpotyhi folks04:57
PriceChildHi all04:57
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BlueT_mruiz: won't you join the comming meeting ?04:57
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EmxBAthe meeting should start soon04:57
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kalon33hello jono04:58
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ypsilamoin together04:58
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ubuntu_demonhey all :)04:58
PriceChildhey ubuntu_demon04:58
Ma1kelhai04:59
jbaileyHmm.  Googling for community council meeting agenda doesn't give me the agenda.04:59
EmxBAhow does it go (becoming a member)? just appear in here and you will see how's it? :)04:59
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MacSlowGreetings everybody!04:59
mruizBlueT: yes, but as you say "ciao", I told you "bye". In my country "ciao" means "bye"04:59
EmxBAhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda04:59
jbaileyEmxBA: Thanks!04:59
PriceChildEmxBA: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewMemberHowto04:59
zarulyeah ciao means bye here too04:59
ubuntugeekhello all04:59
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gnomefreakypsila: is05:00
ypsila:-D05:00
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BlueT_mruiz: ciao's itatiano, means both good morning and good night :p05:00
Ma1kel+m05:00
zarulok, it's 00:00 here now05:00
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Ma1kelsame05:00
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gnomefreakBlueT_: hi and bye but close05:00
ypsila17:0005:00
kalon3317:00 too ^^05:01
jonohi kalon3305:01
cjwatsonwe'll be here in a minute or two05:01
ypsilabon soir kalon3305:01
gnomefreakjono: do we have new CC here or old CC here?05:01
kalon33bonsoir ypsila05:01
BlueT_00:00 here05:01
zarulso is the CC meeting going to start?05:01
Ma1kel17:0205:01
gnomefreakzarul: couple of minutes05:01
MacSlow2 minutes late... tstststs ;)05:01
cjwatsongnoold05:01
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zarulno prob05:01
ypsilatime to make nonsens05:01
cjwatsongnomefreak: old05:02
gnomefreakcjwatson: ok cool05:02
cjwatsonwe've just been talking nominations on the phone05:02
MacSlowhi cjwatson05:02
jonognomefreak: eh?05:02
Ma1kelI'm hardcore.05:02
jonooh right05:02
jonoold05:02
gnomefreakjono: cjwatson answered05:02
jono:)05:02
gnomefreak:)05:02
cjwatsonRIGHT05:02
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MacSlowjono, since you are here now you may play a part in my 'fan-club' :)05:02
gnomefreakhello elmo05:03
cjwatsonlet the enormous agenda of death begin05:03
EmxBAhello all05:03
cjwatsonoh, I guess we should wait for sabdfl and mako to /join05:03
popeyoi, gerrof MacSlow, he's mine!05:03
jononow now05:03
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GazzaKdoes anyone want a nice banner to show their love and support for popey? I made this - http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/8489/popeysmembergg2.jpg05:03
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LoudMouthManpopey , macslow . .he asked me to join so he is mine !05:03
popeyoh jeez05:03
popeyhe's only talking to you to get to me05:03
LoudMouthManoh and I brought my Client into the channel as well so be nice <grin>05:03
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popey\o/05:04
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sabdflhey ho all you merry members05:04
johnboy59Yes I have your Noveber cheque here Nik05:04
gnomefreakhello sabdfl05:04
effie_jayx:D05:04
kalon33He helps me to do all right LoudMouthMan ! :p05:04
MacSlowpopey, LoudMouthMan: only over my dead body05:04
LoudMouthManmmmmm money ..05:04
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kalon33hello sabdfl05:04
popey;)05:04
GazzaKevening sabdfl  - I made a banner :-)  http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/8489/popeysmembergg2.jpg05:04
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EmxBAhello sabdfl05:04
ypsilamoin sabdfl05:04
ubuntu_demonhey sabdfl05:04
MacSlowhi sabdfl05:05
sabdflit's been a while05:05
popeymoo05:05
sabdflsorry about that - lots of travel for the whole team05:05
mruizhello sabdfl05:05
sabdflbut05:05
lophylapheya sabdfl05:05
gnomefreakGazzaK: please dont spam in here05:05
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sabdflalso lots of productive community-related discussions at UDS mountain view05:05
sabdflthanks to everyone who participated there05:05
sabdfldirectly and via voip / gobby / wiki / irc05:05
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sabdflpopey: niiiice05:05
sabdflso05:05
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sabdflwe have some excellent structural items up for comment and approval05:06
EmxBAhow will the CC meeting go? from A to Z from the agenda list or?05:06
sabdflwe also want to set a timetable for the expansion of the CC05:06
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Seveazsabdfl: are there other CC members somewhere?05:07
sabdfllooking at the agenda, there's an item missing, which is the proposal of seveas as a CC Secretary, a new role05:07
elmoseveaz: colin and I are here05:07
mruiz;-)05:07
elmomako was around, he should be here shortly05:07
Seveazelmo: merci and hi05:07
sabdflmako was on a call with us a second ago05:07
sabdflSeveaz, you going french?05:07
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PriceChildspeak of the devil05:08
makogreetings05:08
ubuntugeek.05:08
Seveazhi mako05:08
jonoheya mako05:08
MacSlowhi mako05:08
Belutzah i missed the loco meeting :(05:08
jonoBelutz: there will be a summary, fear not05:08
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nixternalgood jono, cuz i was sleeping in class :)05:08
sabdflok, on to the agenda05:08
lophyteheya nixternal05:09
sabdflSeveas, around?05:09
ubuntu_demonhey mako05:09
kalon33hello nixternal05:09
makounfortunately, i have not been able to go through all of my canonical mail from over the weekend so may not as up to date on every issue as i should be05:09
makoi should also mention that i will probably have to go in 1.5 or 2 hours, but am happy to catch up later this afternoon on anything i miss05:09
gnomefreakSeveaz: is seveas i think ;)05:09
Belutzjono: ok, thanks :)05:09
makobut we should try to handle things that have a lot of discussion before05:09
Seveazgnomefreak: correct :)05:09
Seveazsabdfl: I'm at work now so different nick05:10
PriceChildgnomefreak: the cloak gives it away05:10
jonook, so is the Leadership CoC first?05:10
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makosabdfl: right05:10
sabdflSeveaz: please add the secretary proposal to the end of the agenda05:10
makoyes, Leadership CoC05:10
sabdflLeadership Code of Conduct05:10
sabdflthanks to mako, jono and others for pulling this together05:10
Seveazsabdfl: -EACCESS forgot password and no access to home mail05:11
sabdfli think it's important, especially in the context of the various team councils that are being set up05:11
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makoif they haven't already, people should read it05:11
jonohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/LeadershipCodeofConduct by the way05:11
makoif they see anything major missing, or something major that shouldn't be there that is, it would be good to know05:11
makoobviously, since i wrote it, i'm pretty happy with ti.05:12
Belutzdo the LoCo leader have to sign this leadership CoC?05:12
sabdfli've reviewed and made a few tweaks05:12
makosabdfl: you're the only one :)05:12
cjwatson"conflicts of interest"> I think the emphasis is the wrong way round in the third sentence05:12
sabdflyes, LoCo team leaders, and other senior CC-appointed teams (and of course the CC ;-)) will be held to this standard05:12
cjwatsonshould be that perceived conflicts of interest are as important as real ones?05:12
sabdflcjwatson: good point05:12
lophyteis that only for approved LoCo teams?05:13
makocjwatson: yes05:13
jonolophyte: all leaders are expected to abide by it05:13
sabdfllophyte: for anyone that purports to take a leadership role in a LoCo team05:13
lophytealrighty :)05:13
jonolophyte: and the approval process for loco teams will observe this05:13
sabdflin other words, if you are driving a team or claiming to, for part of ubuntu, then you should expect people to hold you to this standard05:13
Belutzjono: when is the deadline for the approved loco teams?05:13
sabdfljust like people in an IRC channel or forum or mailing list might say to someone, "dude, read the CoC, I think that's a bit out of line"05:14
makoit's seen as something like the code of conduct05:14
EmxBAhi mako, nixternal, seveaz, ubuntu_demon05:14
makonot a stick, but a high-level set of principles we except leaders to live up to05:14
sabdflfolks will likely remind leaders of this document if they are forgetting the guidelines05:14
lophytejono, sabdfl: excellent :)05:14
makothat's right05:14
jonoBelutz: there is no deadline, but we expect loco leaders to abide by the Leadership CoC - this is why we are presenting it to the CC for approval05:14
Seveazs/except/expect/05:14
jonoBelutz: most leaders have the qualities in that document fairly innately05:14
sabdflok, so any additional comments on the document?05:14
mruizjono: what is the difference between LoCo leader and LoCo contact? This CoC is only for leaders?05:15
makomruiz: the lcoc is for anyone in a leadership position in ubuntu05:15
theCorecan I ask a question?05:15
sabdflcan I ask CC members to +1 or -1 the document as it stands, pending possible typo or tweaks, no "editorial changes"?05:15
makotheCore: of course05:15
sabdfltheCore: go ahead05:15
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jonomruiz: if a team has a leader, or puts themself in a position of leadership, they should abide by the LCoC05:15
cjwatsonsabdfl: I did some minor tweaks just now05:16
mruizok, thanks05:16
theCorehow new leaders will be nominated?05:16
SeveaztheCore: that's different per team05:16
MikeB-the document is fine, one comment I have is if there is ever a CoC 2.0 made, the LCoC should be merge into it. Many of the ideas of the LCoC can be applied to ever Ubuntu community member05:16
makoMikeB-: fair enough05:17
sabdflif you form a team, called, say "ubuntu-advocacy-it", and announce it, and want to be an organiser, then you should expect people to hold you to this standard even if you did this without any formal appointment by the CC05:17
sabdflyou are overtly taking a leadership role05:17
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sabdfland anyone participating in the ubuntu community, in its broadest sense, should know what they can expect from their leaders05:17
ubuntugeekhmm so does this mean that any (ubuntuforums) staff member should be bound to the lcoc as well? Or should only admins/fc be bound to this?05:17
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makoright, the CoC doesn't just apply to people who have officially agreed it to or become ubunteros.. it sets the tone for the community05:17
theCoresabdfl, ah, that makes more sense05:18
theCorethanks05:18
makolikewise, this wouldn't only apply to people in officially delegated positions but anyone in a leadership position to the community05:18
sabdflubuntugeek: i think you will find that forums members hold moderators to this standard05:18
sabdflsame with irc participants and IRC ops05:18
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sabdflthe nice thing is, there is still room for context-specific guidelines and processes05:18
ubuntugeeki see05:18
PriceChildubuntugeek: sabdfl: What about moderators who are currently on leave? Surely things like the stepping down during extended absences can't apply.05:18
sabdfllike the forums guys with their dispute resolution processes05:18
sabdfland the mailing list etiquette guidelines05:19
MikeB-ubuntugeek: I think the staff is viewed and acts as leaders05:19
sabdfland IRC ops guidelines05:19
sabdflthis is a nice general statement of core values05:19
jonoindeed05:19
makoubuntugeek: it's high level, people aren't often (ever?) punished for violating it. but it's a set of ideals that we agree to agree on05:19
markvandenborreI really like it05:19
makolike the CoC05:19
cjwatsonthe thing I'd like people to take away from this is that holding a position of authority is a contract - you have certain privileges in exchange for certain responsibilities05:19
sabdflPriceChild: interesting. in the case of moderation, you are not *blocking* decisions by not stepping down05:19
sabdfli think it may be worth clarifying this05:20
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ubuntu_demonsabdfl : +105:20
sabdflin other words, where a leadership position has a quorum impact on decisions, its important to step down05:20
cjwatsonthis is a sort of statement of the general kinds of responsibilities that people in authority tend to have05:20
cjwatsonas part of general leadership decency05:20
sabdflwhere it's just about having additional permissions, and others can take up the slack without you stepping down, then there's more flexibility05:20
PriceChildsabdfl: ubuntugeek: ok gotcha. Btw, I have no problem with the LCoC or CoC, to me they're just common courtesy.05:20
makoPriceChild: that's the idea05:20
ubuntu_demonI really like the LCoC and CoC05:21
sabdflPriceChild: you'd be amazed how useful it is to document common courtesy, given the diversity in age, nationality, culture, language, background, etc in a community this big05:21
cjwatsonsabdfl: "If an absence becomes extended, [and this absence will get in the way of other people's work,]  they should step own ..."05:21
cjwatsondown05:21
cjwatson?05:21
ubuntu_demoncjwatson: I like that added part05:22
PriceChildsabdfl: It is very useful having a solid document to be able to refer "naughty" users to.05:22
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cjwatsonI wouldn't really want to use the term "naughty" of leaders :-)05:22
theCore"Leaders in Ubuntu can not and will not stay leaders only because they got there first."  How leaders will be changed?05:22
ogravotes05:22
PriceChild:)05:22
jonothe LCoC not onl document courtesy but identifies core leadership values, that like sabdfl says, can be built upon inside each team05:22
SD-PlisskenSo what. you guys are saying that one can not give courtesy and respect with out following the CoC rules?05:22
cjwatsontheCore: this isn't a statement of process05:22
somerville32What level of professionalism should volunteers in leadership positions (such as an IRC Operator or Team Leader) be expected to maintain?05:22
PriceChildThat's a polite word for it anyway...05:22
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ubuntugeek"Leaders in Ubuntu can not and will not stay leaders only because they got there first" 05:23
ubuntugeeksure they can..05:23
ubuntugeekwhy not05:23
anto9usIf I can interject something that might be missing from the lcoc doc, and that is that leaders often treat each other in ways that might be mis-perceived by some as inappropriate, like kicking each other from the IRC-channels for example, it's fun perhaps for the ops but open to interpretation as bullying or flexing of IRC muscle, to my mind, it's an example of setting a bad example05:23
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Seveazubuntugeek: others may be more competent05:23
Seveazor more available05:23
Seveazor better smelling05:23
Seveazor ....05:23
ubuntugeekhuh05:23
lophytejust because you got there first, doesn't mean you're a good leader05:23
GnuKemist:)05:23
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elmoubuntugeek: it doesn't mean to imply that if they're fine, and the only thing is that they were there first, that they have to be replaced05:24
LoudMouthManlophyte: indeed.05:24
cjwatsonubuntugeek: depends on the leader. I'm stepping down from the CC because I think others who have got less worn-out will do a better job than I can.05:24
cjwatsonubuntugeek: but that doesn't mean I think the other CC members ought to do the same05:24
ubuntugeekSure..05:24
jonoanto9us: that is in some ways a separate issue - bullying is unacceptable, but there is no way we can develop policy and guidelines around "playful banter"05:25
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ubuntu_demonin case of ubuntugeek it's in the ForumsGovernance document that he has a lifetime membership of the Forums Council as long as ubuntugeek (Ryan) follows the LCoC05:25
cjwatsonubuntugeek: I think the point is "*only* because" - if folks deserve to continue leading their community, there are certainly other "because"s05:25
makoubuntugeek: the operative word is *only*05:25
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ubuntugeekud: ah, which i never really agreed to. the lcoc was added our calls05:25
makoubuntugeek: if the *only* reason someone maintains a leadership position is because they got their first, that seems like a bit of a bum deal05:26
sabdflok, i've modded the doc to address the difference between blocking and non-blocking absences05:26
sabdflhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/LeadershipCodeofConduct?action=diff05:26
PriceChildThanks sabdfl05:26
ubuntu_demonubuntugeek : the lcoc was mentioned during one of these conference calls about the forums. I'm sure you overheard. But it's not very important as long as you agree :)05:26
makoubuntugeek, ubuntu_demon: but this document wasn't written when we had the last call. that's why we're talking about it now05:26
ubuntu_demonmako : yeah05:26
MikeB-as I see it, the LCoC is a guideline, a document to give us direction, and should never be use as a stick to weild over people05:27
makoubuntugeek couldn't have been expected to agree in advance to an unwritten document :)05:27
ubuntu_demonmako : true. although it's a nice document :)05:27
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makoubuntu_demon: i agree :)05:27
ubuntugeekhah05:27
ubuntugeekwow ego's05:27
ubuntu_demon:-p05:27
makoubuntugeek: ;)05:28
ubuntugeeknot amused..05:28
MikeB-all cases will have to be bought to the CC, FC , or whatever counsil05:28
cjwatsonone problem we have had in the past, in Debian or Ubuntu or whatever, is team leaders wandering off and everyone else being stuck unable to get anything done05:28
cjwatsonit's a pretty real problem05:28
sabdflubuntugeek: satisfied with the language?05:28
popeyindeed, LUGs have the same problem05:28
ubuntugeeksure ok, lets move on then.. we can address the lcoc i am bound to when we talk about the governance05:28
kalon33sure popey05:28
ubuntu_demonubuntugeek : IMHO it's important that you address it now if you have any issues with it. Then it can be improved.05:29
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sabdflthis is not a legal document05:30
sabdflit will be difficult to "bind" anyone to it05:30
anto9usjono, yes, I make a specific point as an example and yes I agree it's a separate issue, though I wouldn't wish for a policy around that specifically so much as awareness of potential issues that might arise from the playful banter, to some seeing someone being kicked strikes up a fight or flight response05:30
ubuntugeekthats fine.. nothing further from me05:30
sabdflmost of what happens in the ubuntu community is based on goodwill and good faith05:30
cjwatsonit's more important to say what we expect so that people know what they're "signing up for" when they take on leadership positions05:30
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effie_jayxsabdfl,  there is still moral respnsibility05:30
effie_jayx:D05:30
sabdfli think it will be clear the circumstances under which someone is not really following this LCoC05:30
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cjwatsonif you've not been in a leadership kind of position before, sometimes it's not all obvious05:30
SD-PlisskenHow is it not a legal doc. your asking folks to abide by it,and conform the rules in it sabdfl05:30
jonoanto9us: sure, and I think this is something we can discuss and develop as a separate case05:31
sabdfli don't think it will ever turn into a legalistic, clause-by-clause thing05:31
makoright, introducing something like this retroactively is a bit tricky, so it's important to get consensus or identify issues now among people who are currently in leadership positions05:31
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makoright, i think it's more like the CoC05:31
cjwatsonSD-Plissken: it's not "you're violating clause 3, subsection 7. bzzt" - it's an informal statement of values05:31
makopeople invoke it frequently enough, but rarely "apply" it05:31
cjwatsoner clause <-> subsection but you know what I mean :-)05:31
ubuntu_demonmako : +1. IMHO it's important that all big community leaders give their input on the document right now .. before it's getting approved05:31
sabdflto be specific, i would not ask ubuntugeek to step down form the forums council because of a single incident or issue, which is i think what was worrying ubuntugeek, given the context of our UDS forums discussions05:32
ubuntugeeksabdfl: correct05:32
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sabdfli am happy with ubuntugeek's life-long position on the FC, it's an unusual concession but i think it's well deserved05:32
sabdflmaking it subject to the LCoC is really only a convenient way of saying "stay engaged and stay constructive"05:33
jonoI agree with sabdfl that it would be pretty clear if someone was not acting within the spirit of the LCoC05:33
ubuntu_demonsabdfl: +1 IMHO ubuntugeek deserves to be a lifelong member of the FC05:33
SD-Plisskencjwatson I don't by that. the simple fact is if you dont abide by it your brought up for repremand or asked to remove yourself. rules are writen to be inforced. I highly doubt these where written in hohum fashion.05:33
sabdfli would not invoke the LCoC unless there was BROAD consensus that that was not the case05:33
sabdfllike, someone doesn't show up to meetings for months05:33
sabdfli have to be a bit careful here myself ;-)05:33
makosabdfl: that's right05:33
jonoindeed05:33
nixternalhaha05:33
MikeB-sabdfl: bwhahaha!!!05:33
makosabdfl: the whole thing, not just that you need to be careful.. ALTHOUGH YOU DO05:33
mako:)05:33
sabdflok, so, can i ask CC members to +1 or -1 the document as it stands?05:34
cjwatsonSD-Plissken: guidelines, not rules05:34
sabdflwe're 30 minutes in and have a lot of ground to cover05:34
makoi'll abstain since i had a such a large role in drafting it05:34
sabdflmako: please don't!05:34
kalon33sabdfl: funny ^^05:34
cjwatsonrules are written to be enforced, but guidelines are written so that people know where they stand05:34
jonoI think you should vote mako05:34
makofine, +1 from me05:34
jonomako: you would not write it if you disagreed with it05:34
makojono: right, that's why i wouldn't vote against it :)05:35
cjwatsonsabdfl: +1, we've already gone over the bits I thought were wonky and changed them05:35
SD-PlisskenFine guidelines. and the fact still stand if you don't follow the guideline theres reprocutions.05:35
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elmo+105:35
EmxBA+1 from me too05:35
jonomako: woo!05:35
Yann2+1 as guidelines05:35
sabdfl+1 form me too05:35
sabdflsuper, thanks mako, jono, CC05:35
cjwatsonsabdfl: oh, perhaps we should make it even more clear that they're not meant for rigid enforcement05:35
sabdflDONE05:35
jono:)05:35
BlueT_+1 as Guidelines05:35
mruiz+105:35
cjwatsonit does say so at the top, but it could be clearer to stave off paranoia05:35
ubuntu_demon+1 for the LCoC05:36
Seveaz(people: only CC members vote. +1 from others is noty needed)05:36
sabdflit does say "a set of guidelines"05:36
ubuntu_demon+1 for the LCoC as guidelines that is :)05:36
makoalright lets move on05:36
makomy time here is limited05:36
sabdflso let's leave it as it stands, we can clarify it if someone cites the LCoC in a lawsuit :-)05:36
Seveazsabdfl: can we do the IRC bit first, I may get kicked out soon05:36
makothe forums governance document is next05:36
cjwatsonSD-Plissken: I'd expect that in general if people were acting out of character for how we'd like leaders to behave, we'd talk to them first, not treat them like naughty children05:36
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sabdflok05:37
makohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumsGovernance i believe05:37
sabdfli'll come out up front and say i'm opposed05:37
sabdfl(sorry, mako, want to address IRC issue)05:37
sabdfli understand there are some issues05:37
makooh, ok05:37
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sabdflbut i don't think the folks proposing the move have come up with very strong arguments05:38
makoi missed a line in there05:38
sabdflfreenode appears to be doing OK despite the loss of lilo05:38
ubuntu_demonare we talking about seveas as CC secretary now ?05:38
Seveazubuntu_demon: no, staying on freenode or not05:38
sabdflthe #canonical issue was never, in my mind, a forcing function for an ubuntu community decision, and its resolved now in any event05:38
SD-Plisskencjwatson if you say so. just remember that statement you made there.05:38
gnomefreakubuntu_demon: no freenode proposals05:38
cjwatsonthe original GetOffFreenodeSpec was prompted by concerns about #canonical - that's since been moved to a private server so seems moot05:38
cjwatsonSD-Plissken: sure, I'm entirely happy to stand by what I said05:38
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sabdflok, so does anyone on the CC want to take up the case for moving?05:39
ubuntugeeksomeone ping me when we get to the FG..05:39
ubuntu_demonubuntugeek : I will05:39
cjwatsonsabdfl: no, I was sort of +0 anyway and am uninterested now05:39
sabdflok, can we vote briefly?05:39
sabdfl-105:39
sabdfli would rather we vote, take a decision, than just defer it indefinitely05:40
cjwatson-0, seems like lots of work for little gain now05:40
elmo-005:40
Yann2-105:40
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mruizOur LoCo team (http://www.ubuntu-cl.org) has a forum.  This FG can be applied?05:40
jonoYann2: only CC members need to vote thanks05:40
sabdflmako?05:40
cjwatsonmruiz: let's wait 'til we get to that agenda item05:40
makoubuntu_demon: should be next i suppose05:40
PriceChildmruiz: we haven't got to that yet05:40
Yann2jono > I think I am :] 05:40
Yann2or am i ubuntu member ... sorry :] 05:41
makosabdfl: i'm not going to rock the boat05:41
sabdflYann2: you'll get to vote on CC members, soon05:41
gnomefreakYann2: the CC is only 4 members05:41
jonoYann2: you are not a CC member05:41
SeveazYann2: the CC members are sabdfl, elmo, mako, kamion05:41
mruizcjwatson, PriceChild : oh05:41
sabdflmako: +1, -1, 0?05:41
mako005:41
cjwatsons/kamion/cjwatson/ nowadays :)05:41
sabdflok05:41
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sabdflguess i have to take the bullet ;-)05:41
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sabdflCC decides to decline the proposal, we can of course discuss this again in future if the situation changes05:41
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MikeB-bullets are a good source of iron05:41
cjwatsongnomefreak: that wasn't a tie, it was -1/405:42
makoi'm sympathetic for arguements from both side, but don't see a mandate for moving from the community05:42
apokryphosI think it would've been useful to get input from people on the IRC ops council on this issue too05:42
sabdflSeveas: what's next?05:42
apokryphosthough I'm sure they all agree with the final decision 8)05:42
Seveazsabdfl: forums guidelines05:42
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elmoapokryphos: (we did at previous meetings)05:42
jonoubuntugeek: ping! its up05:42
sabdflok, we had extensive and ultimately very positive, constructive discussions on this during mountain view05:42
ubuntugeekok05:43
sabdfli think everyone in the CC wants to give the Forums full recognition and integration in the the ubuntu community05:43
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sabdflso thanks to those who devoted a lot of time to the discussions05:43
jonothe document is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumsGovernance05:43
ubuntugeekI have no issues at this time with the FG.. we discussed it in detail at the mds05:43
kalon33thanks jono for the reference05:44
sabdflone thing that i think is worth pointing out is that a lot of this thinking has been generalised to other teams too05:44
cjwatson(administrivia: I have to leave at 17:45 UTC)05:44
makoyeah, i'm excited that it looks like we're finally ready to move forward with this.. it's way, way past time that the forums be given full recognition for the central role they've played05:44
sabdflso this effort pays off not just for Forums but for other growing parts of the community05:44
sabdfllike the MOTU05:44
sabdflthese guidelines, structures etc will get duplicated and re-used05:44
ubuntu_demonMaybe we should ask if there are people who have big issues with the document ?05:44
sabdflso a worthwhile investment of time and thinking from ubuntugeek, jono, mako, ubuntu_demon, MikeB-, CC and many others05:44
sabdflcan we take out the "This a draft. Everything here is completely open for discussion and reevaluation."05:45
makothe only procedural clarification i'd like to make now (which i think is clear in the document), is that council, when initially created, won't immediately be able to create ubuntu members05:45
makosabdfl: i'd love to05:45
sabdflok, i'm going to chop off the top and bottom which are focused on the discussion, so what we have left is the RESULT and the document for approval by the CC05:46
makosabdfl: i just chopped off the top05:46
ubuntu_demonmako : the CC will guide the FC in the process of creating ubuntu members right ? So maybe current forum staff on the CC agenda can be the first to go through this new process05:46
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effie_jayxrtjhtrht505:46
ubuntugeekud: I think we were going to get to the election of ubuntu members down the road at some point05:47
cjwatson... and hello to effie_jayx's cat05:47
PriceChildlol :)05:47
dholbach:-)05:47
GazzaKhaha05:47
mruizhahaha05:47
jonoso are there any aspects that anyone wishes to discuss about the document?05:47
EmxBAeffie_jayx: hello cat. welcome to ubuntu meeting :)05:47
makoubuntu_demon, ubuntugeek: that's right, soon, we just need to see a few of the FC members here as we  go through the process so we're sure everyone is on the same page in terms of qualifications for membership05:48
makoubuntugeek, ubuntu_demon: we've done that with all of the councils as well05:48
ubuntugeeknone here.. I would like to note per our conversations at mds.. the FC would be formed initially of myself, john and mike with the nominations of two others to sit on the fc with us.. i dont see that on the document05:49
ubuntu_demonmako : yeah great . There are a few forum staff who want to become Ubuntu Members. There's at least one on the current CC agenda (I haven't had time to take a good look at it)05:49
jonoubuntugeek: which Mike?05:49
ubuntugeekkiwinz braniff05:49
jonoright05:49
PriceChildubuntu_demon: I'm one :)05:49
SD-Plisskenubuntugeek now theres the question who will pick the other two parties to sit with you?05:50
ubuntu_demonkiwinz and john (jdong) are both forum admins05:50
sabdflok, i've taken out all the "discussion" stuff05:50
sabdflso the doc represents a clear proposal05:50
sabdflhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumsGovernance?action=diff05:50
ubuntugeeksd-.. the admins have already discussed and chosen..05:50
makoubuntugeek: right, we need the full list so we can approve it05:50
ubuntu_demonSD-Plissken: IMHO Ryan can start with 3 admins as FC or 3 admins + 2 others (chosen by Ryan as well)05:51
sabdflto be clear, the nominations should come from the CC, not just approval of forums admins decisions05:51
ubuntugeekmako: full list of what?05:51
sabdflthe process is laid out in the FG doc05:51
makoubuntugeek: candidates, namely the two others05:51
makoubuntugeek: sorry, forum membefs05:51
makoubuntugeek: sorry, forum *council* members05:51
ubuntugeeki was under the impression to initialize this process we were going to select05:51
sabdflthe initial FC is 3 members (ryan troy, mike braniff, john dong)05:52
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sabdflwe need to expand that to 505:52
ubuntugeekRight05:52
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sabdflprocess is cc appointment in consultation with [list of stakeholders] 05:52
sabdfli'd like to get to 5 quick, and think it's reasonable for the FC (of 3) to put up some names05:53
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sabdflif the CC is happy, we can JDI05:53
ubuntugeekThats fine05:53
ubuntu_demonwhat does JD stand for ?05:54
ubuntugeekmikeb and matthew are our two selections.05:54
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sabdflJust Do It05:54
ubuntu_demonokay thanks :)05:54
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sabdflintro to matthew? i think the CC has met MikeB in Moutnain View05:54
makosabdfl: so, to clarify, is the idea to vote on this now with the initial list of three05:54
cjwatsonmikeb as in Basinger?05:54
cjwatsonwhich matthew?05:54
ubuntugeekcjwatson: correct05:54
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ubuntu_demonubuntugeek : Do mikeb and matthew know you have nominated them ?05:54
sabdflmako: if we have 2 good candidates, i think we all win with a fast decision on the expansion as well as the FG docs05:55
sabdflubuntu_demon: heh, good point05:55
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sabdflthey do, of course, have to want the position :-)05:55
ubuntu_demonmatthew and mikeb are two fine forum moderaters who have been active in the staff for quite some time05:55
ubuntugeekhttp://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=1763505:55
makowell, MikeB- knows now :)05:55
PriceChild+1 on that ubuntu_demon05:55
ubuntugeekud: yes they know05:55
MikeB-ubuntugeek asked me a couple of weeks ago, I would be honored05:55
jendaI'd second that too, ubuntu_demon.05:56
ubuntugeekand both accepted05:56
cjwatsonubuntugeek: ta05:56
sabdflhas this been publicly discussed by forums staff?05:56
sabdflsince we're approving the FG doc, it seems sane to make sure it's followed :-)05:56
ubuntugeekmatthew is a fine moderator who has take the intuitive to excel his role on the forums.05:56
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sabdflbut, has it been publicly discussed with forums staff?05:57
ubuntu_demonsabdfl: AFAIK it's not been publicly discussed with forums staff (it's new to me but I've been quite busy lately with school)05:57
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sabdflare both candidates ubuntu members?05:57
ubuntugeekno clue05:58
jendaMikeB-: is candidating now05:58
MikeB-sabdfl: appliying today05:58
sabdfl(it would be a trivial +1 given their contributions to the forum, clearly)05:58
MikeB-:), Vote Mike!05:58
ubuntu_demonis matthew here now ?05:58
ubuntugeeki dont think he could make it05:58
sabdflok, CC, how do you feel about dealing with MikeB now, and asking for more on matthew?05:58
jendamatthew is an ubuntu member05:58
sabdflthe doc says05:58
jendahttps://launchpad.net/people/matthelmke05:58
sabdfl - ubuntu member05:58
sabdfl - public wiki page05:58
elmotrivial +1 on MikeB-05:58
cjwatsonditto elmo05:59
MikeB-https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MikeBasinger05:59
makosabdfl: we've seen matthelmkde before,05:59
sabdfl - opinions from forums staff, admins (we have that)05:59
cjwatsonmatthew is already in ubuntumembers, good05:59
ubuntu_demon+1 for MikeB05:59
jendamako: careful, mdke = Matthew East05:59
sabdflyeah, all i'm looking for is a bit more public process within the Forums on matthew's nomination to FC05:59
cjwatsonMikeB-: could you stick a link to your launchpad page on your wiki page? thanks06:00
makojenda: while tricky, i think i can keep my matthe's straight ;)06:00
sabdflmako: we've hired a BUNCH more at Canonical :-)06:00
SD-Plisskensabdfl matthew and mike are both good to go,and standup guys.06:00
sabdflnot all of whom, i think, are straight06:00
jendahehe :)06:00
ubuntu_demonsabdfl: the best way to get more forums input is discussing it in our private staff forum. Personally I support these two candidates (I didn't know about them being nominated)06:00
ubuntugeeksd-plissken is a moderator06:00
ubuntugeekyou have enough feedback here to proceed06:01
PriceChildFor what its worth I'll back both of them also - moderator06:01
zarulit is 01:00 here06:01
makoi'm thrilled with MikeB- for membership06:01
sabdflok, let's vote on MikeB for ubuntu membership, then for FC membership, and ask ubuntugeek to coordinate more public discussion on matthew amongst forums staff06:01
ubuntu_demonubuntugeek : that's true as well. How many forum staff are here now ?06:01
makothe documentation only confirms that i thought before06:01
ubuntugeekmako: ?06:01
cjwatsonI think we've already voted on MikeB for membership. :)06:01
sabdflso we have mako +1 on mikeb, and i will +1 too06:02
cjwatson16:58 < elmo> trivial +1 on MikeB-06:02
cjwatson16:59 < cjwatson> ditto elmo06:02
sabdflok, and cjwatson too, so well done mikeb06:02
makoubuntugeek: documentation on his wiki page, etc06:02
EmxBAexcuse me, but what+s FC?06:02
makoubuntugeek: lots of contributions, activity on the forums, etc06:02
sabdflForums Council06:02
SeveazEmxBA: forums council06:02
MikeB-my thanks to you all06:02
sabdflwelcome06:02
cjwatsonEmxBA: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumsGovernance06:02
EmxBAthanks06:02
ograMikeB-, congrats and welcome06:02
jonocongratulations MikeB-06:02
ubuntu_demoncongratiolations MikeB ! :)06:02
sabdfl+1 from me also for MikeB on the FC06:02
PriceChildwell done MikeB-06:02
cjwatsonMikeB-: (will need a launchpad account name to put that into effect)06:02
EmxBAbrb06:03
makoright, i'm happy with both both MikeB- and matthew (for tha matter) on the FC06:03
ubuntu_demonmako : me too06:03
elmowhat mako said06:03
sabdflok, +1 from mako on both MikeB and matthew06:03
ubuntu_demon(although I'm not a CC member :))06:03
sabdfli'd like more evidence of open forums discussion on matthew, but if the rest of the CC +1's him i'll roll with it06:04
ubuntugeekus three admins discussed it.. thats good enough, the fg isnt even in place yet.06:04
ubuntugeekif it was we would have taken another direction06:04
sabdflok, let's vote on the FG doc06:05
sabdfl+1 from me on that06:05
cjwatsonI'm ok with MikeB and matthew, since the forums staff are happy06:05
elmo+1 from me on FG06:05
ubuntu_demonGreat!06:05
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mako+1 from me as well06:06
ubuntu_demonubuntugeek : well chosen on matthew and mikeB06:06
makolets edit that document to include a list of FC members06:06
ubuntugeekWe will introduce the fc changes on the forums within the next week.06:06
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makoubuntugeek: sounds good06:07
Seveazsorry folks06:07
makoSeveaz: that's fine.. i've got about a half an hour it seems06:07
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ubuntu_demonSo the FG did pass right ?06:08
sabdflcjwatson: vote on the FG doc?06:08
makoubuntu_demon: it's about to06:08
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sabdflno pressure :-)06:09
ubuntu_demonI see ... cjwatson's vote is still missing :)06:09
EmxBAthere are ~25 people listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda that should be considered06:09
cjwatsonno issues with the FG document, pending approval of the initial FC members06:09
sabdflaren't they separate issues?06:09
makoEmxBA: it's extremely unlikely that we're goig to get through them all06:09
sabdflone is process, the other is candidates?06:09
cjwatsonsabdfl: erm, yeah, seems like it06:09
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EmxBAmako:... nor half of them is here06:09
cjwatsonso no issues from me06:10
markvandenborreI seem to remember the first 5 of them were actually voted on last time06:10
sabdflthumbs up or down?06:10
zarulI am here06:10
popeysome of us are :)06:10
cjwatsonup06:10
ubuntugeekok so we good on the fc+fg stuff?06:10
zaruland it is very hard for me who is GMT + 8 to be here06:10
sabdflbrilliant06:10
jonofantastic06:10
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sabdflOK, so CC approves the FG document, with much thanks to those who helped write it06:10
ubuntu_demonGreat!06:10
kalon33cool !06:10
MikeB-woot!06:11
cjwatsonopen discussion on matthew wouldn't hurt, thinking about it - maybe make that one pending? shouldn't take long06:11
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sabdflwe have a full house of +1's on MikeB06:11
ubuntugeek+1 matthew06:11
ubuntugeekor we cant move forward06:11
sabdflso MikeB is on the FG, and i think it's worth asking ubuntugeek to host a discussion on matthew as the next candidate06:11
sabdflin the forums06:11
makowe should also thanks ubuntugeek for bearing through this process.. and for all of his other work making the forums so great :)06:11
PriceChildsabdfl: public or staff discussion?06:11
sabdflubuntugeek: yes we can, FG doc is approved, you have a council of 4 including yourself, and you have a casting vote06:11
PriceChildthanks ubuntugeek :)06:12
cjwatsonubuntugeek: it doesn't seem like a blocker to start with 4 briefly?06:12
sabdflboth, if needed, so public should be fine unless stuff gets tricky06:12
ubuntugeekLike i said06:12
ubuntugeekif we cant vote the people in06:12
ubuntugeekwe cant move forward06:12
sabdflubuntugeek: you have a council, it's not at 5 people, but the FG doc calls for comment from a long list of folks and there is no thread on the forums to suggest that's happened06:12
ubuntugeekblah06:13
ubuntu_demonI trust matthew to do a good job.06:13
ubuntugeekThen we shall not move forward06:13
jendaWhat's the matter with matthew?06:13
sabdfli have no doubt matthew will get the nod in the next round, but i also think we owe it to the forums users and staff to have a place they can comment on candidates06:13
PriceChildBut surely now the 4 members are appointed... they can appoint the 5th immediately?06:13
jendaI think he has unanimous support among us, the forum staff?06:13
ubuntugeekOK, i am going to make this clear06:13
sabdflPriceChild: no, the FG does not appoint its own members06:13
sabdflsorry, FC06:13
ubuntugeekwe are not moving forward at this time06:13
PriceChildsabdfl: sorry misunderstanding06:13
sabdflwell, ok, i think we have made good progress06:15
sabdflthe FG document is approved by the CC06:15
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sabdfland we have a Forums Council of 4 members06:15
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ubuntugeekno we dont06:15
sabdflthat's a good start06:15
sabdflubuntugeek: in what sense do we not?06:15
ubuntugeekBecause we are not moving forward06:15
cjwatsoncould you please rephrase that without using the words "moving forward"? I'm having trouble working out what you mean06:16
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jonoubuntugeek: what is your objection?06:16
ubuntugeekDuring our calls, it was implied that the initial two people who be chosen by the current admins.. we did this..06:16
sabdflnot as i recall it, anyone else who was there care to weigh in?06:17
MikeB-ubuntugeek: i think it is fine to get open discussion for both me and matthew on to the FC. I'm willing to delay my nod to the FC till next month so the community can have its say06:17
sabdflthe doc explicitly names 3 initial members06:17
sabdfland explicitly gives a list of folks to be consulted on new appointments06:17
sabdfland explicitly says we want to get to 5 quickly06:18
ubuntugeekok if the three admins and the various mod's here backing people are not good enough then i am done here06:18
sabdflubuntugeek: of course they are good enough, their voice counts06:18
jonoubuntugeek: hang on a sec, lets ensure we are all clear on what we interpreted06:18
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ubuntugeekthen finalize it and we can move on..06:18
sabdflbut the Forums Governance doc does not ask for "seconds from some admins or staff members"06:18
sabdflit says the CC will not appoint folks without consulting the staff and members06:19
sabdflmikeb had very widespread forums community support as a representative during these discussions06:19
sabdflwhich is why i think the CC is happy to say that the forums staff and members have really been consulted06:19
sabdflbut matthew was not really part of that process06:19
sabdfli think forums members will be very happy to have a thread on this nomination, and i've no doubt it will reflect well on matthew06:20
sabdflgiven everything that's been said06:20
sabdflbut i don't think the CC would be meeting its obligations under the FG doc, if we just +1 matthew06:20
ubuntugeeki figured this would be like this.. thats why i was hesitant to even move forward..06:20
jendaSomeone will have to resort to compromise here. I believe we should leave matthew as pending, as he is 1) not here to tell us he wants to do it 2) hasn't been discussed by the forum staff, although all of us present agree with him taking the spot.06:20
sabdflwithout any evidence of a broad consultation of the forums members and staff06:21
makoi don't really have strong feelings either way on this06:21
PriceChild+1 jenda06:21
ubuntu_demon+1 jenda06:21
MikeB-+1 jenda06:21
ubuntu_demonthere are some forum staff right here to support matthew though.06:22
sabdfl"some staff" is not the same as "open consultation"06:22
jendasabdfl: +106:22
sabdflright, and certainly not the same as "consulting forums members"06:22
sabdfli think it's obvious that a thread on the forums is the right way to get that open consultation06:22
sabdflwhich is why i'm suggesting ubuntugeek lead that06:23
sabdfland come back for a +1 on matthew once that's done06:23
zarulI think you should make a decision here, it seems that we are dragging this issue to no ends...06:23
ubuntu_demonthen maybe we can do a staff poll and have a new CC meeting quickly (like next week) to get him on the FC and move on ?06:23
jendamatthew has not been publically discussed, and I don't see a problem with waiting till next time, till matthew can make it, or till we have at least given a chance to other forum staff to have a say.06:23
makothe agreement as i understood it was that the the admins/ubuntugeek would pick the extra two members.. but i think a consultation by the focums community/staff would probably be a good thing in either case.. since it seems that anything other than a confirmation is unlikely, i don't see any issue with doing it for matthew or even matthew and MikeB-06:23
zarul*you guys06:23
sabdflmatthew is NOT EVEN HERE06:23
makoright, i think matthew should at least show up to a CC meeting06:23
ubuntugeekBECAUSE HE COULDNT BE06:23
somerville32!caps06:23
sabdflubuntugeek: well, let's find a time that suits him06:23
maxamillion<3 somerville3206:23
jonook, lets calm down06:23
makoand he probably wouldn't mind seeing a thread about how everything thinks he's great :)06:23
sabdflsorry06:24
PriceChildmako: lol :)06:24
cjwatsonwhat timezone's he in? looks like -606:24
cjwatsonoh, no, I'm on crack06:24
cjwatsonGMT06:25
ubuntu_demonIMHO let's arrange a CC meeting with matthew attending asap (like next week or something).06:25
cjwatson(managed to confuse Morocco with Mexico)06:25
jenda(there should be a meeting soon anyway, because a lot will be left over from this one so:)06:25
jendaubuntu_demon: +106:25
EmxBAconcentrate on members that applied for membership on CommunityCouncilAgenda wiki page, if possible...?06:26
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zarulEmxBA + 106:26
jendaEmxBA: this seems like a more pressing issue to me.06:26
LoudMouthManplease . since the ukteam are mostly at work and thinking about heading home !06:26
zarulI have to go in 20 minutes....06:26
PriceChildEmxBA: I'm standing for membership too but being members is slightly insignificant compared06:27
cjwatsonit's not all going to get done - we're just going to have to do what wee can06:27
cjwatsonwe06:27
zarulit is like 1.30 in the morning and I am at a cyber cafe right now, as I am away from hom06:27
EmxBAok, I'll be patient06:27
zarul*home06:27
kalon33sure PriceChild06:27
jonook, lets clarify the position where we are now06:27
zarulthe cafe is closing soon06:27
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jonoubuntugeek: still there?06:27
sabdflzarul: appreciate your participation, will get to you before it closes06:28
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ubuntugeekyes06:28
jonoexcellent :)06:28
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jonoubuntugeek: what is core your objection at this point?06:28
jonojust to be 100% clear06:28
sabdflubuntugeek: from what I have seen the CC has no objection to matthew as a candidate06:28
ubuntugeekthat my fears about this process have shown to be true regarding how this process is going to work.06:28
sabdflbut there is some concern that the process needs to be followed06:29
sabdflthe process is pretty clear in the FG doc we just approved06:29
ubuntugeekthere (was) no process before this06:29
sabdflthat's all06:29
ubuntugeekthis is clean/new document06:29
ubuntugeeka start..06:29
newz2000sorry to interupt, but I've got to go visit family in hospital now, I'm here to give a +1 for mruiz - he's been extremely active in trying to get latin america loco teams coordinated and really is busy trying to make things better for spanish speaking loco teams and ubuntu users06:29
sabdfli have no doubt the CC would +1 matthew after a thread on the forums discussing his candidacy06:29
jonoubuntugeek: lets give the process a chance - and the agreement which you seem broadly happy with is there to secure a good, honest, consistent process06:29
sabdfli assume no major controvery emerging in that thread, given the unilateral support06:29
sabdflbut it's important to show that we want the FG doc to mean something06:30
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cjwatsonubuntugeek: I'm not clear on what your fears are; I don't see anything going particularly wrong ...06:30
jonomuch of this is just due process ubuntugeek06:30
sabdfli would have called for discussion on MikeB too, except I think we all feel that has already happened, in effect06:30
sabdflnewz2000: thank for the +1 on mruiz, noted06:30
MikeB-sabdfl: I'm willing to wait a month to allow discussion06:30
jonomany of us got to know MikeB- and his excellent contributions at the UDS06:30
jonoI am sure if we knew Matthew as well, everyone would approach this the same06:31
sabdfland the MikeB- was really mandated by the forums community as a representative alread06:31
sabdfly06:31
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jonoubuntugeek: see what I mean?06:31
MikeB-it is only fair if Matthew and I get the same treatment06:31
zarulsorry to interrupt guys, I am worry that I won't be able to wait longer, just in case I have to go out any time soon, here is the link to my profile: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZarulShahrin06:31
makoubuntugeek: if you think it's more fair, we might ask for comments on both.. i tend to think it would be06:31
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sabdfli'm happy with that too, let's get to zarul06:32
cjwatsonit seems a bit artificial, we're obviously all happy with MikeB06:32
cjwatsonbut shrug06:32
zarulthank you sabdfl06:32
jonoMikeB-: I think you are getting the same treatment, its just that the CC are not as familiar with Matthew (yet)06:32
makocjwatson: fwiw, i'm also happy with matthew06:32
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EmxBAzarul:06:32
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EmxBA+1 for zarul06:32
sabdflzarul: what's your LP account? URL?06:32
ubuntu_demonany input from ubuntugeek ?06:33
ubuntugeeknothing further we wont move forward until this is resolved06:33
sabdflzarul: seems you have been active for more than a year?06:33
zarulhttps://launchpad.net/people/zarulshahrin/06:33
sabdflthat's great06:33
zarulsabdfl yes06:33
cjwatsonI think the current action is for a thread to be opened on the forums about matthew06:33
ubuntu_demonubuntugeek : so we can move forward after Matthew is approved at the next CC meeting ?06:33
zarulI founded MalaysianTeam in May last year06:34
zarulIf I am not wrong06:34
zaruland I tried hard to promote it here06:34
jonoubuntugeek: how would you like to see it resolved06:34
ubuntugeekubuntu_demon: no it needs to be done this meeting.. there are enough people here to back matthew.. i06:34
zaruland I am happy that we are growing now06:34
sabdflok, +1 from me on zarul, long participation, active advocacy, and team leadership06:34
jono(sorry, I know we have two threads here being discussed)06:34
mako+1 for me for zarul06:35
ubuntugeekthe process in which you elect is flawed..06:35
ubuntu_demonMaybe we can focus on forumsgovernance first ? I would hate to see it break apart while we have made this much good progress.06:35
ubuntugeekif you cant agree on matthew today then dont agree on mikeb06:35
zarulthank you all06:35
sabdflelmo? cjwatson, zarul?06:35
elmofine with zarul.. but let's try and get FG finished?06:36
cjwatson+1 on zarul, though would like to see the malaysian team up for approval soon too since zarul's application is largely on that :-)06:36
jonoubuntu_demon: this is just a quick side discussion before zarul leaves06:36
cjwatsonT-9 minutes for me06:36
sabdfli'd like to ask the CC if they think (a) the position is the CC should follow the FG doc in appointing the 2 new FC members, or if (b) the 3 forums admins should be appointing them06:36
sabdflfor me it is clearly (a)06:36
cjwatsonwell, I do sort of wonder why the FG doc exists if it isn't true :-)06:37
zarulSo if everything is ok, can I leave now?06:37
sabdflfor my next act, i'll be standing for head of the united nations... would be easier!06:37
sabdflzarul: congrats and welcome!06:37
gnomefreakzarul: congrats06:37
zarulok06:37
sabdfl(and good night, safe travels home)06:37
zarulthank you all for voting06:37
zarulcya!06:37
makoalright06:37
makoi need to run right now06:38
ubuntugeekLike I said, when i walked away from our conversations at mds .. the other two people were going to be selected by the curent admins06:38
makoi'll be back in maybe 30-45 minutes06:38
MacSlowsabdfl, this whole stuff here is so intense... a bit frightening... but most impressive nevertheless.06:38
makobut if it comes to a vote on approval of matthew, i would be happy to have him now06:38
ubuntugeekto form the initial fc team.06:38
PriceChildSo the meeting is basically postponed in 5 minutes until mako returns...06:38
cjwatsonI've driven LP for new members up to now (mike.basinger and zarulshahrin), but somebody else will need to take over now06:38
makoPriceChild: there are three member present06:38
makoyou can work without me06:38
sabdflmako: (a) or (b)?06:38
cjwatsonmako: two as of 7 minutes from now06:38
PriceChildmako: cjwatson said something about 9 minutes06:38
makosabdfl: what?06:39
cjwatsonmako: 17:36 < sabdfl> i'd like to ask the CC if they think (a) the position is the CC should follow the FG doc in appointing the 2 new FC members, or if (b) the 3 forums admins should be appointing them06:39
elmoI think (a) makes the most sense, simply because this is going to be the FC for the next year or so06:39
makocjwatson: for the initial bootstrap phase, that is right now, i think (b) would be appropriate and in line with our previous discussions06:39
cjwatsonFWIW I've no objection to generally following the forums admins' recommendations, but I'd like a chance to actually evaluate rather than just rubber-stamp, that's all06:39
makobut i'm not opposed to (a) either don't really see why anybody would be06:40
sabdflok, so 3 for (a) and 1 for (b)06:40
cjwatsonI can only be +0 on matthew simply because I've never talked to him06:40
makoit will only make the position of those people more justified in the eyes of their constituency06:40
ubuntugeekok i am done here06:40
sabdfland matthew is not here now06:40
ubuntugeekgood day06:40
cjwatsonI don't *object*, just it's impossible to say an outright yes06:40
MikeB-ryan , please wait06:40
makoalright.. i need to disappear.. sorry!06:40
sabdflok, i will start the thread on the forums, to give the staff and users an opportunity to discuss matthew06:40
jenda...06:40
makoa lab sponsor is waiting06:40
sabdflif mikeb prefer to be on the same platform, then that's fine too06:40
makobbiab06:40
jendaThat doesn't help the forums, does it :/06:40
ubuntu_demonCan we please schedule a new CC meeting very soon to handle this FG ?06:41
PriceChild:(06:41
MikeB-nope06:41
sabdflubuntu_demon: yes06:41
sabdflMikeB-: ?06:41
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ubuntugeekwrong window.. i am going to watch this mess that is all06:41
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sabdflok06:42
sabdflnext?06:42
ubuntugeekclearly what we discussed on the phone about this and how its playing out here is two different things06:42
EmxBAcan CC consider my candidation for member approval?06:42
cjwatsonsurely worst case the practical effect is that it takes two weeks longer to get the FC going? I really don't see the big deal06:42
gnomefreakEmxBA: we are running low on CC memebers06:42
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EmxBAi see06:42
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MacSlowhi BenC06:43
BenChello06:43
kalon33hi BenC06:44
mc44ubuntugeek: if athread is opened on matthew and there is a concensus then the CC approves him to the FC, would you be happy to move forward06:44
somerville32sabdfl, Next on the agenda would be Call for nominations for the "Localisation / Translation Team Leader".06:44
elmoubuntugeek: FWIW, I couldn't confidently claim that (a) is what was agreed to on the phone, it's possible it _was_ (b), but would you not be willing to consider (a) and the (IMO) advantages it has?06:44
sabdflwhich forum would be the appropriate one for me to start those threads?06:45
MacSlowsomerville32, was topic regarding IRC/Freenode skipped?06:45
somerville32MacSlow: no.06:45
gnomefreakMacSlow: no we are staying on freenode06:45
markvandenborreit was discussed in the beginning06:45
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ubuntu_demonhi BenC06:45
MacSlowsomerville32, gnomefreak: ah so just the wiki-page is missing an update here ? Try reloading06:46
sabdfli think (a) vs (b) was never explicitly discussed, i assumed it was clearly (a), ubuntugeek obviously assumed differently06:46
PriceChildsabdfl: Cafe... and we could sticky it?06:46
cjwatsonok, I have to go, sorry folks06:46
sabdflnonetheless, the CC voted for following the FG document process06:46
MacSlowcu cjwatson06:46
ubuntugeekelmo: sure the issue i have is if you can't back both right now don't back either06:46
gnomefreaksee  you cjwatson06:46
sabdflthanks cjwatson06:46
sabdflubuntugeek: that's fine, i think MikeB has said he's open to that06:47
kalon33good bye cjwatson06:47
jonook ubuntugeek is here06:47
sabdflso i will open two threads06:47
elmoubuntugeek: sure, that's perfectly reasonable, happy to do that06:47
ubuntugeeknow i still strongly object to to the way its handled06:47
elmoubuntugeek: in what way?06:47
ubuntugeekif you cant trust us to form an initial team then clearly down the road we will have the same issues06:48
sabdflit's Mike Basinger and Matthew ?06:48
gnomefreaksabdfl: can we set a meeting for either later this week sometime next week to finish the forums item. since the threads will be open it should be a fast vote?06:48
MikeB-sabdfl and ubuntugeek: I'm fine with that06:48
elmoubuntugeek: we can and do trust you, we've all provisionally +1'ed on both mike and matthew.  the issue is that we'd like the forums community to have a chance to participate06:48
sabdflwhat's Matthew's surname?06:48
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sabdfland forums nicks for both?06:48
ubuntugeekmatthew06:48
ubuntugeekmike06:48
ubuntu_demonMike Basinger's nick is mike06:49
jendasabdfl: https://launchpad.net/people/matthelmke06:49
elmoubuntugeek: this after all is going to be their forums council for a year, it seems fair to given them a chance to have some input, don't you think?06:49
jendaHelmke06:49
jonoubuntugeek: do you feel the forums community will be happy with mikeb and matthew on the FC06:49
jenda^ there goes one of our admins :/ he didn't seem too talkative today anyway.06:50
ubuntugeekjono: yep i do06:50
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jonoubuntugeek: if so, why not just let the due process happen if the community would be happen with them?06:51
ubuntugeekjono: thats fine do as you wish06:51
sabdfl  http://www.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?p=1876854#post187685406:52
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jonoubuntugeek: ok, so you are happy for us to continue?06:52
jendaSo - would everyone agree with this: we open a thread on the staff forums now, and ask staff to approve the 5 member council as discussed here. If there are no objections by the next CC meeting - we consider it complete?06:52
MikeB-could we start a Forum council area in the forums and have Matthew and I FC  voted discuessed and voted on there, all people could read, but only forum staff and CC members could write?06:52
sabdflwhat's matthew's surname?06:53
ubuntugeekmatthew06:53
SD-Plisskenjenda sabdfl alread started a topic in the cafe it seems06:53
ubuntugeekjono: sure i dont really have a choice06:53
sabdflsurname, not nick?06:53
ubuntugeekjono: you guys got me by the balls this time around..06:53
jonoubuntugeek: you *do* have a choice - this is not about forcing something out of you - it is about asking if you are happy with due process06:54
jendasabdfl: Helmke06:54
jonoubuntugeek: if you are happy with that, we can move forward06:54
ubuntugeekjono: thats fine.. so to recap.. FG is approved and the FC +3 admins is approved..06:54
ubuntugeekcorrect?06:54
MacSlowhi matthewrevell06:54
sabdflhttp://www.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?p=1876865#post187686506:54
MikeB-how is the baby matthewrevell06:55
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sabdflubuntugeek: yes06:55
ubuntugeekok06:55
sabdflFC consisting of 3 current admins06:55
ubuntugeekNext time.. lets be more clear on how this is going to work06:55
sabdflfair enough06:55
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ubuntugeekand id idnt even swear today :)06:55
jonoubuntugeek: I think we can always improve communication - 95% of problems are simply misunderstandings06:55
sabdflok, could you guys make those threads sticky, and give them a wide pumping for wide discussion?06:55
jonoubuntugeek: :P06:55
PriceChildsabdfl: shall i rename both topics to "Potential..." instead of just the one?06:55
mneptokubuntugeek: it's never too late >:)06:56
ubuntugeeksabdfl: sure06:56
MikeB-ubuntugeek: beard06:56
ubuntugeekand goddamn it.. i hope this gets done with soon..06:56
ubuntugeek;)06:56
sabdflPriceChild: technically, they HAVE been nominated, and the CC is looking for background to make the appointments06:56
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ubuntu_demonWill the CC schedule an extra meeting soon ? Instead of having to wait for a month ?06:56
jendaubuntugeek: except for the 'balls' part ;)06:56
ubuntugeekjenda: balls isnt swearing06:56
elmoubuntu_demon: yes06:57
jenda06:57
sabdflalrighty!06:57
ubuntu_demongreat06:57
jonoballs!06:57
jono:P06:57
popey\o/ balls06:57
PriceChildsabdfl: its just odd having the "Potential" the wrong way around considering discussions that have already taken part06:57
jonogood stuff06:57
sabdfljono wants to be the 1000000th person to say "balls" on TV06:57
jonopopey: too excited about balls there...06:57
sabdflwith feeling06:57
jonowoo!06:57
sabdflwhat's next?06:57
mneptokubuntugeek: it's never too late >:) (x2)06:57
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ubuntugeekmenptok: if i really could unleash i would trust me :)06:57
sabdflUK team?06:57
popey\o/06:57
MacSlowsabdfl, call for nominations on "Localisation / Translation Team Leader"  I believe06:58
PriceChildisn't there only 2 CC members present right now?06:58
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LoudMouthManhuh what ?06:58
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sabdflsome things i think we can +1 with me and one other06:58
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sabdflso loco's we can do, members we can do06:59
somerville32:)06:59
GazzaKyay, great06:59
mneptokooo! members?! let people applying or vouching move on?06:59
PriceChildgood good :)06:59
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sabdflok, loco's - UK team?06:59
sabdflgo go go!06:59
jendasabdfl: are we changing the rules in the middle of the game here? :)06:59
ubuntu_demonOne question : should we defer Forum Staff to become Ubuntu Member until the next meeting so the CC can guide the FC at the next meeting ? That might be a nice way of smoothing the membership approval process06:59
sabdflniiice wiki page06:59
sabdfljenda: i do have a casting vote07:00
jendasabdfl: I'm not arguing 07:00
sabdfli think we can auto+1 all current forums staff for membership right away07:00
sabdflelmo?07:00
jendasabdfl: really?07:00
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PriceChildsabdfl: really?07:00
PriceChild:D07:00
elmoas long as they've been staff for > 1 month, sure07:00
popeyLoudMouthMan: you're on07:01
sabdflfair enough07:01
PriceChildsabdfl: those that are applying of course.... not all want it07:01
ubuntu_demonsabdfl : some forum staff might not want to become Ubuntu Members07:01
LoudMouthManSorry , I can see a UKteam conversarion I just cant see the question  ?07:01
sabdfli *think* FG makes that a must-do?07:01
kalon33sorry, got a bug...07:01
popeyagenda item is up now LoudMouthMan07:01
PriceChildsabdfl: I thought it only meant they should abide by the CoC...07:01
sabdflok07:01
sabdflyou're right07:01
ubuntugeeksabdfl: we cant force them to be ubuntu members07:01
elmoPriceChild: that's implied by "auto+1", we wouldn't force membership on anyone07:01
PriceChildjust checking :)07:01
LoudMouthManYes, okay well the UKTeam is applying for Approval and submitted its application to Jono for the councils consideration.07:01
ubuntugeekwe have alot of good staff who just dont want to be that deep into it..07:01
sabdflso, who's here, forums staff for more than 1 month?07:01
PriceChildI know several feel strongly about that07:02
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PriceChildsabdfl: Me me me!!!07:02
LoudMouthManbut , popey , i think theres a overhanging thread here  .07:02
MikeB-+1 for pricechild07:02
SD-PlisskenWhat is price of being an ubuntumember pricechild. what do you have to give up to be a member such a team..07:02
ubuntu_demon+1 for pricechild :)07:02
gnomefreaksabdfl: i would like to cheer for a few memebers i hav e ameeting to go to. i +1 for Christoffer Karvonen TravisWatkins Tony Yarusso and CodySomerville07:02
sabdflconfirm PriceChild is forums staff / moderator for more than a month?07:02
ubuntugeek+1 for all our staff who wants it07:02
PriceChildSD-Plissken: I don't believe there's anything I have to give up...07:02
sabdflthanks gnomefreak07:03
gnomefreak:) later07:03
sabdflPriceChild: what's your launchpad nick?07:03
ubuntu_demonsabdfl : yes pricechild has been Forum Staff for more than one month07:03
frodon+1 for PriceChild07:03
PriceChildhttps://launchpad.net/people/pricechild/07:03
jendasabdfl, elmo, just a BTW, there is a LP team indicating the forums staff: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntuforums-staff07:03
jendaI can't guarantee it's 100% accurate, some of the new ones may be missing.07:03
PriceChildSD-Plissken: becoming a member means I am bound by the CoC. This is just common decency to me and therefore in my opinon nothing to give up07:04
kalon33do you process by alphabetical order to consider ubuntu member candidates ?07:04
sabdflPriceChild: congrats, and welcome!07:04
PriceChildThanks :D07:04
LoudMouthMansabdfl you asked about UKTeam, we have submitted the approval page for councils consideration do you have any further questinos ?07:04
theCoreare going to have enough time to do some member nominations, today?07:04
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apokryphosPriceChild: being an ubuntero bounds you to that too. Little more to it.07:04
ubuntu_demoncongrats pricechild ! :)07:04
SD-PlisskenThats all Pricechild.. hope there was no fine print.. lol07:04
kalon33congrats PriceChild07:04
effie_jayxPriceChild,  :D07:04
frodoncongrats pricey ;)07:04
sabdflLoudMouthMan: sorry, got diverted into low-hanging-fruit forums moderator membership approvals07:04
sabdflanybody else in the forums moderator applying for membership crowd?07:05
ubuntugeekI just spoke with Kingbahamut please +1 him for ubuntu meber he is an exceptional forum staff member..07:05
ubuntugeekhe is unable to get on irc07:05
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ubuntu_demonmikeB is applying for Ubuntu membership07:05
ubuntugeekud: we already did mikeb07:05
sabdflubuntugeek: LP name?07:05
PriceChildubuntu_demon: MikeB has already been accepted hasn't he?07:05
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sabdflyes, he has07:05
sabdflmatthew?07:05
PriceChildmatthew is already a member isn't he?07:06
sabdflis approved already07:06
ubuntu_demonow sorry okay :)07:06
elmook, you guys get -0.005 for using "syngeristic" in your approval application wiki page07:06
sabdflubuntugeek: LP name for KingBahamut?07:06
elmo(synergistic even or however it's spelt)07:06
ubuntu_demonelmo : what does syngreristic mean ?07:06
elmoubuntu_demon: ... exactly ;-)07:06
ubuntugeekBill weber07:06
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mneptoksyringerific07:06
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PriceChildhttps://launchpad.net/people/gwosbahamut07:07
EmxBAsorry, bad connection :)07:07
PriceChild^ KingBahamut07:07
elmoanyway, I'm +1 on the UK team07:07
elmo(sorry, if we haven't got back to the loco team yet)07:07
GazzaK:-) thanks elmo07:07
sabdflas far as i can see, he has not applied for ubuntumember07:07
jonothe UK team have done some excellent work07:07
jendaKing Bahamut has also been doing some impressive work on doc.gwos.org/com07:07
ubuntu_demon+1 for King Bahamut07:07
jonothey have a strong structure and a number of keen contributors - they also have a good direction forward07:08
jono+1 for me07:08
MikeB-+1 for me07:08
SD-Plissken+1 for King Bahamut07:08
PriceChild+1 KB07:08
frodon+1 for KingBahamut as well07:08
PriceChild+1 UKTeam07:08
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sabdflok, kingbahamut is done07:09
sabdfl+1 from me on the UK team07:09
popeyw000t07:09
apokryphosnice 8)07:09
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jamesbroseyay!07:09
popeyGo us!07:09
=== jayteeuk cheers
LoudMouthManSo , sabdfl can I report back to the UKTeam that we have apporval ?  and thanks to everyone for the votes, it is much appreciated.07:09
sabdflLoudMouthMan: all done - and welcome!07:09
sabdflvery classy wiki page07:09
somerville32Burgwork, ping.07:09
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sabdflthe status chart for projects is particularly cool, IMO07:09
Burgworksomerville32: pong07:10
LoudMouthMansabdfl thank you , I will pass the comments on to the team.07:10
ubuntugeek+1 for SD-plissken for ubutnu-member he is a staff as well..07:10
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anto9uswoohoo!07:10
Amaranthwoo i made it07:10
jonocongrats LoudMouthMan07:10
ubuntu_demon+1 for SD-plissken07:10
jonoLoudMouthMan: I look forward to you leveraging synergies and fullfilling verticale markets07:10
GazzaKlol @ jono07:10
=== MagicFab rotfl
popeyHOUSE!07:10
frodon+1 for SD-plissken as well07:10
jendaSD-Plissken has been a good moderator for several months07:10
LoudMouthManjono indeed, ill run those ideas up the flag pole soon enough07:10
GazzaKif he starts on that, I'm moving to tibet07:10
frodonLP : https://launchpad.net/people/sd-plissken07:10
EmxBAcan someone consider my application for becoming ubuntu member?07:11
sabdflSD-Plissken: done, welcome aboard07:11
PriceChildwell done SD07:11
MikeB-EmxBA:  what is your wiki07:11
ubuntu_demoncongrats SD-Plissken :)07:11
markvandenborrehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkVanDenBorre07:11
jendaEmxBA: can you link to your wiki and LP to make it easier?07:11
frodoncongrat SD-Plissken :)07:11
SD-PlisskenThanks all07:11
EmxBAwiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmirBeganovic and LP  https://launchpad.net/people/emxba07:11
sabdflMacSlow has an excellent track record upstream07:12
sabdflalso made good contributions at UDS Mountain View07:12
kalon33congrats SD-Plissken07:12
theCoreare we at the memberships yet?07:12
EmxBAi've signed CoC, haev more than 80k+ karma points, translated many things into bosnian language07:12
dholbachMacSlow is my favourite friendly flipping hacker in the Ubuntu community and I'm happy to see his cairo-clock in Ubuntu's Universe already.07:12
PriceChildtheCore: sort of07:12
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somerville32Can we finish up the locoteam approvals and then come back to Membership approval? :] 07:12
sabdflMacSlow: where are you making ubuntu-specific contributions07:12
theCorethen, ping me we it's my turn07:12
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sabdfl?07:12
MagicFabLP: https://launchpad.net/people/magicfab07:13
MacSlowsabdfl, https://launchpad.net/people/macslow/+packages07:13
La_PaRCaI am MagicFab's fanclub07:13
MacSlowmy upstream http://macslow.thepimp.net/cairo-clock07:13
seb128MacSlow is doing some good job07:13
MikeB-EmxBA: impressive translations, +1 from me07:13
EmxBAmy translations - https://translations.launchpad.net/people/emxba/+translations07:13
sabdflsorry guys, one at a time, and I messed up by jumping to macslow07:13
MacSlowI do a bit guerilla-marketing KungFu on enemy-territory -> http://www.flickr.com/photos/41128780@N00/296376139 http://www.flickr.com/photos/41128780@N00/296376031 http://www.flickr.com/photos/41128780@N00/296375822 http://www.flickr.com/photos/41128780@N00/19757931207:13
seb128nice to have cairo-clock to universe and him around looking at bling ;)07:13
sabdflbut let's wrap up with him, then do everyone else in order of the agenda07:13
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seb128looks really good07:14
sabdflok, +1 from me for MacSlow on the basis of packaging contributions and votes form seb and dholbach07:14
elmo+1 for MacSlow too07:14
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sabdflwelcome aboard, MacSlow07:14
popeycongrats MacSlow07:15
kalon33Congrats MacSlow07:15
dholbachand what I saw from the future ubuntu hacks department already looks great too :-)07:15
MacSlowsabdfl, cool thanks!07:15
elmook, who's up next?07:15
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elmojohan lundmark - here?07:15
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sabdflMacSlow: could you edit your LP display name to be "Mirco Mueller" with all the right dots?07:15
seb128MacSlow: well done ;)07:15
MikeB-later all, have a meeting at work. thanks for lively discussion07:15
ubuntu_demoncongrats MaCSlow07:15
markvandenborreelmo, Iranian team?07:15
ubuntu_demonbye MikeB-07:15
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MacSlowthanks everybody!07:15
elmoah, we missed some loco teams07:15
elmook, skipping back07:15
fernandocongrats MacSlow07:16
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elmocanadian or iranian loco team represnetatives here?07:16
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tonyyarussolophyte: Burgwork ping07:16
kalon33jono: canadian loco team representative ?07:16
tonyyarussoelmo: I'm a member - but not who was going to be representing.07:16
ubuntugeekbye all07:16
elmotonyyarusso: who was?07:16
MagicFabI am a member too07:16
sabdfltonyyarusso: you could still present07:17
MagicFabURL: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-ca07:17
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kalon33bye ubuntugeek07:17
jonokalon33: I don't know who it is, but they have not popped up yet07:17
somerville32elmo: Our leader, Burgundavia :] 07:17
tonyyarussoelmo: Burgwork , preferably, but I think he might be having issues with being caught at work07:17
MagicFabAlso - http://ubuntu-ca.org/07:17
elmoBurgwork: ping?07:17
jonoahhh corey runs the team?07:17
jonook07:17
tonyyarussoyes07:17
somerville32We had a meeting just the other day too, we're making some good head way :] 07:18
sabdflok, i'm sure corey will be here in a future meeting07:18
tonyyarussoYep - see meeting logs from Sat night UTC-607:18
sabdfllet's kepe going with members07:18
sabdflkeep, that is07:18
MacSlowsabdfl, move both, my launchpad- and wiki-page, to MircoMueller instead of MacSlow?!07:18
tonyyarusso(He might be back yet today too - will let you know)07:18
somerville32What about Iranian Team?07:18
MagicFabMacSlow, you can redirect, I'll show you how (msg)07:18
elmosomerville32: I don't think they have a representative here07:18
jonosomerville32: no representation here07:18
sabdflMacSlow: just change the "display name" (not the account name) on the LP one07:19
somerville32Alrighty :] 07:19
elmook, so members07:19
sabdflmacslow is fine as an account name07:19
MacSlowsabdfl, ah ok07:19
sabdflJohan Lundmark?07:19
markvandenborrethe first 5 were already taken care of in the previous meeting07:19
elmosabdfl: nope07:19
markvandenborrebut not scrapped for some reason07:19
ubuntu_demonI'll be away. Ping me if you need me.07:19
sabdflmarkvandenborre: you're up!07:19
markvandenborrehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkVanDenBorre07:19
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markvandenborreBelgian team lead07:19
sabdflwere the first 5 all approved?07:19
sabdflduelling banjos!07:20
elmosabdfl: andrew wasn't yet07:20
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elmosabdfl: michael biena was07:20
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sabdflwow, awesome list of contributions, markvandenborre07:20
sabdflhow's the belgian free software scene shaping up?07:20
elmosabdfl: paul schulz was.. [shall I just edit the wiki page? :)] 07:20
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markvandenborreit's rocking... you really should come to FOSDEM and experience it yourself07:21
sabdflelmo: i'm editing...07:21
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elmosabdfl: ok, Sridhar Dhanapalan  was also approved07:21
sabdflok, very clear +1 from me for mark on the back of a very long period of participation and lots of diverse contributions07:21
La_PaRCahaha, you even have an endorsements section07:21
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GnuKemistmarkvandenborre: seems to represent the Belgium team's best interest really well07:22
markvandenborresabdfl, thx!07:22
elmo+1 for mark07:22
sabdflwelcome aboard, mark!07:22
kalon33congrats markvandenborre !07:22
dindaCongrats Mark V!07:22
seanhI have to leave in about 15 mins., I'm applying for membership07:22
jonocongrats markvandenborre07:22
JanCcongrats looksaus  ;)07:22
kalon33me too... :/07:23
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MacSlowmarkvandenborre, congratulations07:23
GnuKemistmarkvandenborre: sing that Belgium song you were singing at the UDS  ;)07:23
markvandenborre:)07:23
elmoseanh: ok, let's do you now then07:23
markvandenborrebye07:23
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sabdflseanh: very nice page, too07:24
seanhhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeanHammond07:24
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sabdflcongrats on the oo.o advocacy!07:24
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seanhthanks07:24
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sabdfl+1 from me for seanh, on the back of very extensive advocacy07:25
elmoseanh: "I've been contributing to Ubuntu for two or three years." .. careful, almost in danger of time warping ;-)07:25
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Burgworkelmo: sorry, work is absolutely crazy here07:25
BurgworkI am here now07:25
seanhheh, well, since the first release07:25
elmobut +1 from me also for seanh07:25
MacSlowseanh, gee you've been busy!07:25
sabdflok, welcome aboard, seanh!07:25
seanhcool, thanks07:26
elmoBurgwork: ok, let's do .ca loco now then?07:26
kalon33congrats seanh07:26
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Burgworkelmo: lets go07:26
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elmo(sorry, just reading)07:28
Amaranth*cricket*07:28
MacSlowelmo, anything right now still needed for newly approved members to do?07:28
elmoBurgwork: anything I should know ;-)07:28
jonh_wendellHi, folks. When you can, please consider me for member approval07:28
Burgworkwe are a pretty active with, with many of our members active in other ubuntu teams07:28
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Amaranthjonh_wendell: we're almost to you, just hang on a bit07:28
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Burgworkand we have the canonical support office07:28
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Burgworkalthough it is questionable how much work they actually do :)07:29
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jonoI just looked at the canadian application07:29
jonoI think there needs to be a better fleshed out roadmap07:29
sabdflBurgwork: errrr07:29
sivangheh07:29
sivang(hi all)07:29
jonoif the team could expand and possibly delegate volunteers to the roadmap, I think we are looking good07:30
EmxBAhttp://pastebin.ca/276788 - that's something about me07:30
Burgworkjono: sure07:30
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jonoBurgwork: if you can expand the roadmap and I am happy to approve if the CC would like me to07:30
Burgworkjono: now or on the wiki?07:31
MagicFabBurgwork, I can chip in that roadmap - we already have some work on that here (QC)07:31
jonoBurgwork: later on the wiki07:31
Burgworkok, will do07:31
jonoI just think you need to better clarify your direction :)07:31
Burgworkalright07:31
jamonationBurgwork, jono lophyte says he's happy to help with that07:31
jonosabdfl: elmo happy if I look over the Canadian team's update roadmap and if it is suitable approe it?07:31
tonyyarussoI think that is beginning to get better, as we are planning to do regular meetings now.07:32
elmojono: works for me07:32
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tonyyarussoThere's a lot going on, so the mtgs will help everyone know what they are and where they stand.07:32
kalon33Sorry elmo, jono, sabdfl, all, I'm a candidate for becoming an Ubuntu member and I've to go in 15 minutes... :/07:32
sabdfljono: perfectly07:32
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jonook cool07:32
elmook, so07:32
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elmokalon33: your next, go07:32
jonoBurgwork: ping me when it is updated07:32
Burgworkjono: will do07:33
kalon33now elmo ?07:33
elmokalon33: yes07:33
kalon33thanks07:33
kalon33Hello all, I'm kalon33, and my real name is Nicolas Derive. I'm a French student in biology at Bordeaux 2 university. My contributions to ubuntu are translations, bugs report and triage, and support to other users. Details are availiable on my wiki page. Any questions ?07:33
kalon33https://wiki.ubuntu.com/kalon3307:33
MagicFabWhat's the order ?07:34
elmoMagicFab: the order's pretty flexible right now, because we haven't had a meeting in so long - we normally go in application order07:34
kalon33sorry MagicFab... I apologize for it...07:35
elmokalon33: how long have you been around and doing translations, triage etc.?07:35
MagicFabwell, go kalon3307:35
kalon33since Dapper for translations and bug report (because I tested it too)07:36
kalon33triage for... 2 or 3 months07:36
elmokalon33: ok07:36
kalon33and support for 1-2 months I think.07:36
elmo+1 from me for kalon33 on the basis of his translation and triage work07:37
elmosabdfl: ?07:37
kalon33I'm using Ubuntu since July 2005, and started Dapper testing on January 2006.07:37
sabdfl+1 - welcome aboard kalon33!07:37
elmook, who's next in order07:37
kalon33and Edgy in July.07:37
elmotheCore: still here?07:38
kalon33thanks elmo, sabdfl07:38
theCoreyes07:38
theCoreI'm Alexandre Vassalotti, a Science student in Quebec, Canada. I plan to go in Computer Science and I will probably do a career as a software developer. I been active in the Ubuntu community for a little bit more than a year. I'm currently mastering Python and C. I plan to use my skills to make Ubuntu even better. -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlexandreVassalotti07:38
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EtienneGtheCore, where are you located ?  I am in Mtl, used to live in Qubec City07:39
MagicFabtheCore, consider joining https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-qc :)07:39
theCoreEtienneG: near Montreal07:39
jbaileyAs all the Qubec folks poke their heads in. =)07:39
EtienneGyes ... *please*07:39
theCoreEtienneG: Ile Perrot07:39
KeybukAlexandre did the upstart logo </trivia>07:39
tonyyarussotheCore also is one of the folks who gives quizzes in #ubuntu-trivia for a mix of fun and learning.  :)07:39
Keybukso has my full support :)07:39
EtienneGtheCore, cool07:39
GazzaKtriva is great :-)07:39
theCoreMagicFab: sure07:39
EtienneGare active in MLUG andor FACIL ?07:39
kalon33+1 for theCore, who works a lot with support and bug triage.07:39
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kalon33goodbye all, thanks for all :)07:40
anto9ustheCore has worked very hard in lots of areas one of which has been the IRC channel #ubuntu-trivia to which he's given unselfish and unrelenting commitment to the education and entertainment of others, it's growing popular too :)07:40
sfllawI'm throwing in my hat for theCore as well.07:41
dholbachthe whole -ca mafia is around :)07:41
elmook, +1 from me to theCore on the basis of his incredible support work etc.07:42
AmaranthCan I go next? I've got to leave soon.07:42
elmosabdfl: ?07:42
jendaI can definitely vouch for theCore :)07:42
mako-awayhmm07:42
sivangAmaranth: aren't already a member? :)07:42
Amaranthsivang: sort of07:42
makofortunately, or perhaps unfortunately for those here, things still seem to be in metion :)07:42
jendaBased on amazing work with #ubuntu-trivia and some contribution to UWN07:42
Amaranthsivang: that's why i'm hoping this won't take long07:43
dsas_I'm one of many that enjoy the friday quiz too :)07:43
elmook, let's start on amaranth while sabdfl's afk and mako's catching up07:44
elmo(assuming mako's willing to continue :)07:44
PriceChildI'll cheerlead on Amaranth07:44
elmook, I'll continue the skipping out of order thing, sorry for anyone this affects07:44
popey:(07:44
mneptoki can endorse Amaranth. i have seen him active not only with Ubuntu itself, but upstream at GNOME as well.07:44
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elmoAmaranth: go07:45
AmaranthAlright. Well, my name is Travis Watkins, I've been here before and been approved, just missed some little details. Hoping this won't take long. :) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TravisWatkins07:45
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elmoAmaranth: what's willowNG?07:45
elmomight want to link to it on your wiki page07:45
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KeybukAmaranth also has my support, he's been pretty active on #upstart07:45
dholbachAmaranth: I tought you already were member07:45
AmaranthOh, and I bring the bling! ;) Doing some work on compiz and beryl but mostly focusing on configuration frontends.07:45
Amaranthdholbach: haha07:45
cbx33Amaranth, is a star, has always been a great help to me and the whole of edubuntu ;)07:45
dholbachhe's been active with smeg (now alacarte) too and it's been easy to work with him on bugs and all07:46
Amaranthelmo: I wish ogra was here to explain, I'm bad at this.07:46
mneptokoh, Amaranth can also take a punch. face or groin. very handy.07:46
GazzaKcan I be a fanboy for Amaranth too, as he has really helped me out, and others on irc, with beryl and other things07:46
AmaranthIt's a web proxy that uses bayesian filtering to block unwanted content.07:46
elmoAmaranth: ah, I see, interesting07:46
elmook, +1 from me on amaranth on the basis of all the development work and fanboys (et al.)07:47
cbx33heheh07:47
Amaranthif it helps, "i bring bling" ;)07:47
somerville32+1 for Amaranth :] 07:47
elmoAmaranth: doesn't do anything for me, but I'm sure it'll help with sabdfl07:47
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cbx33Bling Bling Amaranth07:47
elmook, pirast around?07:47
ograAmaranth, ?07:47
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MacSlowAmaranth, that always helps :)07:47
seb128Amaranth: hint, you want to work on compiz ;)07:48
elmook, MagicFab you're up07:48
Amaranthseb128: I work on both. :)07:48
MacSlowAmaranth, you need to work on compiz! ;)07:48
seb128Amaranth: compiz is better ;)07:48
MagicFabelmo ok07:48
ograAmaranth has my full support if he commits to make willowng work again in feisty ;)07:48
MagicFabI work on advocacy, translations, local support & translations. Sometimes I pitch in to answer the most-recent unanswered forum posts, sometimes I'll go spend hours on putting Xubuntu on those old macs. These days I am focused on making the ubuntu-co (Colombia) and ubuntu-qc (Quebec, Canada) teams official.07:48
MagicFabOh, and I tried bling on a PIII-500 - it works! :D07:48
MagicFabURL: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FabianRodriguez07:48
elmo(I'm just blithely carrying on - we'll get a vote from sabdfl at least on people we've done, before we end the meeting)07:48
Amaranthogra: hehe, i'll look sometime this week07:48
ograMacSlow, seb128 he should first finish his older projects ;)07:49
elmoMagicFab: full disclosure, pls07:49
MacSlowogra, like?07:49
mneptoki'll endorse MagicFab heartily. i know he has been active in free software in Quebec for years, and has been advocating Ubuntu almost from the inception.07:49
EtienneGfor what it is worth, i am all behind MagicFab07:49
MacSlowogra, just started reading his page more thoroughly07:49
sfllawI met MagicFab two years ago where he was supporting Ubuntu!07:49
La_PaRCaI am a MagicFab fanboy. He has been doing great work getting the ubuntu-co team up and running.07:49
EtienneGbasically, he *is* ubuntu-qc (we need to fix that)07:49
MagicFabelmo, I started working with Canonical's support office in Mtl 2 weeks ago. My membership was on the CC Agenda for a while07:49
elmoMagicFab: thx07:50
cr3I can also vouch for MagicFab's presence in the local communities in Quebec07:50
GazzaKelmo, I'm really sorry to bug you, but can we (please) do popey and LoudMouthMan soonish, as I'm at work and will be locked in soon, and this place is bad enough without being locked in here.  I'm sorry to be whinging.07:50
EtienneGand I take the blame for refering him :)07:50
ograMacSlow, the conmtent filter he wrote for edubuntu ... i'd like to have it on the CD for feisty07:50
elmoGazzaK: sorry, didn't see that - we'll do them next if we can07:50
MacSlowogra, comment-filter or content-filter?07:50
ograbut anyway, a loud cheer from my side for Amaranth ....07:50
sfllawMagicFab is an excellent all around guy.07:51
EtienneG^^07:51
ograMacSlow, content ... :)07:51
mneptoksfllaw*307:51
EtienneGvery pro, very level-head, the kind of advocate we want07:51
MagicFabcr3, sfllaw, mneptok, etienne are colleagues, but they have witnessed I am very respectful at Ubuntu parties :)07:51
La_PaRCaits the ubuntu-ca mafia07:51
sfllawWhere's jbailey?07:51
cr3for example, I know that MagicFab was present to all the free-software related events in Montreal: copyright 2005, sqil, linux-expo, many free software conferences and many many installfests07:51
jbaileysfllaw: I'm here.07:51
mneptokMagicFab: until the horse tranqulizers kick in07:51
ograMacSlow, apt-cache show willowng07:51
cr3err, I mean all free-software related events I know of07:51
jbaileysfllaw: But I don't have enough to contribute for his community interaction.07:51
sfllawHe organized jbailey's talk at FACIL.07:52
jbaileyMagicFab: Oh, you organised that?  Thanks. =)07:52
MagicFabsfllaw, I produced the video - don't know what's worse :)07:52
elmosfllaw: is that a polite way of saying "ghost wrote"? ;-)07:52
sfllawjbailey: Dude!07:52
sabdflsorry - office matters07:52
EtienneGand e was advocating Ubuntu at all these place07:52
sabdflneed to scann scrollback quickly07:52
jbaileysfllaw: Eh, I was told to show up at a particular place and give a talk on Ubuntu, so I did. =)07:53
MagicFabhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/FabianRodriguez and scrolling to "Contributions" is a good summary07:53
mneptokjbailey: show up in my kitchen and give a tolk on Ubuntu as you bake me a pie.07:53
jbaileyNot having to know who arranged it only seems like a positive reflection on the organisation of it. =)07:53
sabdfl+1 on theCore - python fans unite!07:53
elmoMagicFab: did you apply previously or am I misremembering?07:53
theCoresabdfl: thanks! :)07:54
MagicFabelmo, twice, actually - wasn't considered sustained. np with that07:54
cbx33sabdfl, with ya there dude ;)07:54
sabdfl+1 to Amaranth, long track record of contributions07:54
GazzaK\o/ yay to theCore & Amaranth \o/07:54
elmook, +1 from me for MagicFab07:54
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Amaranthyay07:54
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sabdflMagicFab: +1 too - welcome!07:54
MacSlowcongrats Amaranth07:54
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theCorethanks everyone for supporting me07:54
EtienneGcool theCore, looking forward to meet you sometime07:55
somerville32Woot! :] 07:55
La_PaRCacongrats guys07:55
PriceChildwell done Amaranth, theCore, MagicFab07:55
MagicFabGreat :) tx to all07:55
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EtienneGMagicFab, well done, well deserved07:55
=== jbailey ^5's to MagicFab
sabdflwho's up next?07:55
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EtienneGhigh five !07:55
popeyo/ please07:55
popeyin office alone07:55
popeygetting scared07:56
sabdfloffice xmas party shortly, so want to get to as many as possible, folks please type up your intro's in advance07:56
cbx33awww07:56
mneptoklol07:56
elmopopey: go07:56
sabdflpopey: go for it07:56
GazzaKpopey and LoudMouthMan ? (my cat is gonna kill me)07:56
mneptokclassic07:56
popeyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanPope https://launchpad.net/people/alanpope that's me07:56
popeyi do a lot of support, i created some screencasts - http://quickones.org/ , I help LUGs..07:56
EtienneG(sorry guys, have to go, duty call and jbailey will spank me if I am late)07:56
sabdflpopey: how's #ubuntu doing from a support perspective?07:56
theCoreEtienneG: I applied for ubuntu-qc. I am certainly going to help you07:56
jonh_wendellfolks, where is the order?07:56
popeyI do web based support on the tickets07:56
theCoreah...07:56
popeygenerally don't venture into #ubuntu at the moment07:57
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popeyfind it easier to forumlate answers in support tickets07:57
cr3theCore: I'll relay your message to him when he comes in :)07:57
=== somerville32 thinks we need to do john_wendell next.
theCorecr3: thanks07:57
popeyclocked up 10 million karma :)07:57
sabdflpopey: what do you think of the web based tracker, have you spoken at all with flacoste who is leading the work onthat?07:57
cbx33popey is one of the most dedicated linux helpers around07:57
LoudMouthManIm Popey fan club also and feel that UKTeam has consitantly benefited from his input.07:57
cbx33he's untiring in his efforts07:57
popeyI like it, it's easy to use, I can help from anywhere :)07:57
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sabdfl+1 from me on the basis of a huge contribution in ubuntu support07:57
elmo+1 too07:58
mako+1 from me as well07:58
GazzaK art.07:58
GazzaK<GazzaK> I'd love to say a bit about Alan Pope, ( popey ) - He is very very helpful to all ubuntu users, he is very active on irc and has made some great demos on how to do things in ubuntu which are help on his own server ( quickones.org ) he is also very acti07:58
=== dsas joins the popey fan club too, he's one of the big lp support people.
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popey\o/ thanks guys07:58
sabdfl241 results!07:58
cbx33dude you rock07:58
popeycheque in post07:58
sabdflwelcome aboard!07:58
GazzaKoops07:58
elmoLoudMouthMan: I believe you needed to go next?07:58
GazzaKhe is also very active in launchpad, helping so many people.  In fact I support what he is doing so much I made this little (work safe) image - http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/8489/popeysmembergg2.jpg07:58
LoudMouthManNik Butler is a 30 something Open Source Evangelist Living and Working in the South Of England and promoting OpenSource since the turn of the century. He has been promoting Ubuntu through BNI, FSB and his own Clients and regularly seeks new opportunities to increase awareness of Ubuntu as a Linux Desktop for Human Beings.His future plans include increasing awareness of Ubuntu to the many local SME IT Support companies in the07:58
LoudMouthMan South of  England. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NikButler07:58
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cr3dsas: cool! lp is a difficult one to support07:58
popeyLoudMouthMan: ++++07:59
makoGazzaK: i don't think that image helps your case07:59
makoGazzaK: ;)07:59
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GazzaKmako, i'll never make an artist07:59
sabdflmehdi?07:59
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theCore+1 GazzaK for being a incredible member for the Support Team07:59
GazzaKand popey will never make a model07:59
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dsas+1 for LoudMouthMan he's basically the  ubuntu-uk lead07:59
GazzaKNik Butler ( LoudMouthMan ) is a very helpful person, I have been helped on many occasions by him, and he is always in the #ubuntu-uk channel.  both him and popey were at the linuxworld2006 expo and made everyone feel very welcomed.  yet again, as my show of being a total fanboy I made this - http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/9863/nikmemberwq3.jpg - (work safe image)07:59
popey+1 for LoudMouthMan for organising the expo stand07:59
NeilSimmonsLMM get a +1 from me, coz I can't give him a +10.07:59
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sabdflNik, awesome personal wiki page08:00
LoudMouthManthanks . sabdfl.08:00
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NeilSimmonsHe's been my personal introduction to FOSS and especially Linux since 1999 and as helped countless small business users get the benefits of Linux as well.08:00
sabdflLoudMouthMan: do you do much online, or mostly in-person advocacy?08:01
sabdfland what's the BCF?08:01
LoudMouthMansabfl its moslty been in person advocacy my online persona has kicked off since Jono kicked me into touch. but support tickets wise not so much as popey08:01
LoudMouthManBritish Computer Fairs,08:01
makoLoudMouthMan: how long have you been involved in ubuntu?08:02
LoudMouthManoh and Business Network International .08:02
GazzaKand he also sorted out Polo Shirts for the linuxworld expo :-)08:02
LoudMouthManmako when did it first get on the magazine covers in the uK ? probably over a year ogo .08:02
makoLoudMouthMan: great :)08:02
LoudMouthMantheres a Southafrican travel compny called Ehtosmarketing who make most use of it!08:02
makoanyone else involved in the UK team who wants to give a testimonial08:03
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elmomako: I think GazzaK and popey did?  or do you want some more?08:03
sabdflok, +1 from me for LoudMouthMan on the back of strong advocacy over time08:03
elmo+1 from me too08:03
sabdflLWE was awesome this year, thanks LoudMouthMan08:03
GazzaK\o/ yay for popey \o/ yay for LoudMouthMan08:03
somerville32:D08:04
LoudMouthMansabdfl well it was the team but thanks.08:04
somerville32Can I go next? :] 08:04
elmomruiz would like to go next, if possible08:04
mruizo/ please08:04
EmxBAcan someone consider my application? i don't have whole day :(08:04
GazzaKthanks sabdfl you made my fanboyish behaviour all worthwhile :-)08:04
sabdflLoudMouthMan: what's your LP nick?08:04
mruizelmo, now?08:04
sabdflcan't see you in the applicants list of ubuntumembers08:04
LoudMouthManit should be NIkButler on Launchpad and its loudmouthmanonline08:04
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LoudMouthMansabdlf I wasnt sure if you join that before or after approval ?08:04
elmoLoudMouthMan: it seems to be 'reducedhackers' ?08:05
elmoLoudMouthMan: before, please do it now08:05
LoudMouthManwill do08:05
elmomruiz: go08:05
elmoEmxBA: sorry, we're going as fast as we can08:05
sabdflmruiz: go go go!08:05
EmxBAelmo: ok, I'm waiting in line :)08:05
elmoEmxBA: you'll be next08:05
mruizHello. My name is Miguel Ruiz, Chilean Ubuntu LoCo member. I'm 23 years old. Currently I'm studying computer science. I've been using Linux since approximately May 2002. I discovered Ubuntu in January 2005 with Warty Warthog, and it became my favourite distro.08:06
makoyeah, +1 for me too08:06
makofor LoudMouthMan08:06
makoelmo: i was looking for something from someobdy else, if it was other there08:06
sabdflmruiz: how can we improve the consistency of LoCo team websites?08:06
LoudMouthManelmo changed to nikbutler is that okay ?08:06
sabdflLoudMouthMan: np08:06
elmoLoudMouthMan: whatever you like is fine08:06
mruizMy personal wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MiguelRuiz  and my LP account:  https://launchpad.net/people/mruiz08:07
LoudMouthManthanks guys, cheers everyone .08:07
MagicFabmruiz, is also proposing a spanish planet - we're talking about coordinating all the spanish/latinam. locos08:07
sabdflLoudMouthMan: you need to go to launchpad.net/people/ubuntumembers and apply there08:07
mruizsabdfl: you can visit http://www.ubuntu-cl.org08:07
sabdflmruiz: i like that site08:07
sabdfli was asking how you think we can make it easier to get all the loco teams tohave really good sites, like this08:08
sabdflcan we provide more standard services?08:08
mruizsabdfl: yes, I think this is a good idea08:08
LoudMouthMansabdlf: also now done , thanks08:09
sabdflmruiz: i'm really pleased to see contributions across quite a wide variety of places - bugs, loco, translations etc08:09
sabdflthats very cool08:09
Yann2(providing templates would help, imho)08:09
sabdflyou started using ubuntu in Jan 05, when did you become active in the community?08:09
mruizyes, I share our templates with others LoCo teams08:09
EmxBAalso some forum (SMF, vbulletin or punbb) or joomla and other CMS templates would be helpful...?08:09
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sabdflmruiz: when did you become an active contributor, as opposed to a user?08:10
mruizsabdfl: I started my work with Ubuntu community during last year, when we started in Chile our LoCo08:11
sabdflok, +1 from me on the back of LoCo team leadership and website contributions08:11
mruizsabdfl, remember newz2000 vote and opinion08:11
somerville32:] 08:12
elmo+1 from me too08:12
mako+1 from me as well, for the sae reasons as mark08:12
somerville32Sweet!08:12
sabdflsuper - welcome aboard, mruiz, and thank you for your contributions so far!08:12
somerville32Welcome mruiz! :)08:12
elmoEmxBA: you're up08:12
mruizthanks!08:12
EmxBAok08:12
EmxBAmy launchpad account is on https://launchpad.net/people/emxba translations on https://translations.launchpad.net/people/emxba/+translations Wiki page has some information about me - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmirBeganovic. I've made some redesigned Edubuntu logos - look at http://ubuntu.juliux.de/stuff/emx/edubuntu/ I've had Fujitsu Siemens Amilo L6825 notebook and tested it - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/FujitsuAmiloL6825 . I've founde08:12
EmxBAd Bosnian Team (https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-ba) - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BosnianTeam - there's mailing list (https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ba) and IRC channel (#ubuntu-ba on FreeNode) already, with descriptive wiki page too. Also reviewed and promoted Edubuntu and Ubuntu in 3 articles in local IT magazine (http://www.info.ba , http://www.info.ba/tekst.aspx?id=6361) and inside the regional (Bosnian and Herzegovinian)08:12
EmxBA LUG08:12
sabdflmruiz: what's your launchpad id, and have you applied for ubuntumembers?08:12
EmxBA(enough for now) :)08:12
sabdflemir - how long have you been an active contributor?08:13
EmxBAsince june this year08:13
sabdfland in which areas would you say you make the biggest contribution?08:13
mruizsabdfl: my LP id is mruiz08:13
EmxBAand used ubuntu since last year08:14
sabdflmruiz: i don't see you in the list of people applying for ubuntumembership08:14
mruizsabdfl: ok, I will do it08:14
EmxBAsabdfl: translations, and loco team (that will be the primary thing in the future, yay)08:14
sabdfllaunchpad.net/people/ubuntumembers/+join08:14
sabdflok, i see lots of translations, over several months08:15
sabdflwhat's your top wishlist feature for rosetta?08:15
makoEmxBA: how many people are involved in the bosnian loco?08:15
mruizsabdfl: done08:15
makoEmxBA: how long has the team been active?08:16
EmxBAjust me for now, because it's started few weeks ago, mako08:16
EmxBAmako: the wiki page appeared on 30th october 200608:16
makoEmxBA: nobody else has expressed interest?08:16
EmxBAwishlist....erm, dunno. rosetta is fine for me, sabdfl08:16
makoyet08:16
sabdflEmxBA: +1 from me, on the basis of lots of translation contributions08:17
makoright, the translations work is very good08:17
EmxBAmako: did, on the Bosnian LUG forum (forum.linux.org.ba), but there are no members yet. the things that were the main was IRC (and IRC meeting were organized too), and maling list. the resources are there and there are members on the forum and i know lots of them (use ubuntu for a lot)08:18
makoi don't know how i feel about a loco team with only on member.. still a great way to do promotion but not much of a team ;)08:18
EmxBAi told you, it has opened recently...08:18
makoEmxBA: yes yes, i know :)08:18
sabdflEmxBA: so you are saying there are bosnian contributors on irc, mailing list, just not signed up in LP team?08:19
EmxBAand i'm also translating ubuntu guide to bosnian - http://start.linux.org.ba/Ubuntu_priru%C4%8Dnik08:19
EmxBAsabdfl: yes, for now. but look e.g at http://launchpad.net/people/vljubovic, he has more than 2 million karma points08:19
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sabdflok, i'm happy08:19
makoanyway, i'm happy with membership based on translations and advocacy work08:19
EmxBAor this guy https://launchpad.net/people/jklipic which lives in germany, or the bosnian https://launchpad.net/people/kenanh which helps a lot in the LUG too08:20
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somerville32Can I go next? :] 08:20
makoEmxBA: keep up the good work08:20
mako+1 for me08:20
sabdfland ask vlubovic to apply for membership too, if he wants :-)08:20
=== somerville32 woots for EmxBA! :)
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elmo+1 from me too08:20
sabdflsuperb, welcome aboard, EmxBA08:20
EmxBAjust, I'm afraid that your opinions will change because of my years, assuming I'm the youngest active Ubuntu contributor08:20
sabdflyouth is no obstacle - contribution, and approach (CoC) count08:21
sabdflhmm... should ask age on LP, so we would know who the oldest contributor is, too!08:21
somerville32:D08:21
EmxBA:)08:21
makoEmxBA: you're probably not the youngest08:21
somerville32Toby Smithe is 13 or 1408:21
EmxBAactive contributor, mako?08:21
makoEmxBA: yes08:21
elmosomerville32: I think you're next08:22
maxamillionthe founder of fluxbuntu is 19 and that impressed me :)08:22
makoi'm not sure, but we've approved membership applications from people who are 13 and 14 before08:22
somerville32elmo: Woot! Tell me when to go :)08:22
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elmosomerville32: now..08:22
sabdflEmxBA: you hear that? you're *old* :-)08:22
elmosomerville32: oh, wait, sorry08:22
somerville32Hi, My name is Cody A.W. Somerville (aka somerville32) and I'm here today to apply for membership to the Ubuntu Community. I believe I have made an active and sustained contribution to *Ubuntu over the last few months through Translation and Localisation to English (Ca), support to users on #xubuntu, regular bug triage and support on Launchpad, local advocacy, development and administration of the Xubuntu.org websit08:22
somerville32e, as an active contributor to the Xubuntu Welcome Centre project and specification, as a regular contributor to xubuntu-devel mailing list, as an xubuntu developmer, my presentation at Ubuntu Open Week, as an editor of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, as the Xubuntu Wiki maintainer, as an IRC op and contact for the Xubuntu namespace, packaging, community development, and much more with roughly 40hrs a week devoted to08:22
somerville32*Ubuntu. Looking to the future, I'd like to continue to contribute in the aforementioned areas and will work on improving the desktop experience, further development of the Xubuntu and Ubuntu community, documentation, contributing upstream, plus numerous other endeavors. One day I hope to become a Canonical employee so that I can work on Xubuntu full time! :] 08:22
elmooh, meh, never mind08:22
somerville32My Wiki page can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CodySomerville08:22
somerville32P.S. Big thanks to Jenda, Burgundavia, Seveas, Gloubiboulga, Vincent, Gnomefreak, Crimsun, TheSheep, Maxamillion, Jani, LjL, Tonyyarruso, dholbach (plus thanks for all the hugs), members of the Xubuntu and Ubuntu Community, and the numerous other individuals that I've had the pleasure of working with!! *hugs*08:22
EmxBAOK, thank you!!! I like Ubuntu more than I used to :)))08:22
sabdfljonh_wendell: you might want to type up your intro ahead of time08:22
elmojonh_wendell: sorry dude, missed you - you can go next08:22
jendasomerville32: is that a _threeliner_???08:22
jenda08:23
maxamillion<3 somerville32 !!!!08:23
sabdflsomerville32: really nice wiki page08:23
sabdflthose have become very, very good lately08:23
somerville32Thanks :] 08:23
EmxBAthanks sabdfl, it was nice chatting with the person whose article I've written on Bosnian Wikipedia :))) and others from CC ;)08:23
makoi'm going to have to leave, at least for another 15 or so minutes, after somerville3208:24
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jendaCody somerville32 has been a great help with the Ubuntu Weekly News recently.08:24
keeb:P08:24
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makoi need to meet with someone who is leaving in 40 minutes08:24
sabdflsomerville32: how's the xubuntu community shaping up?08:24
jenda(and some nice work with teh open week too)08:24
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somerville32sabdfl: I think Feisty is going to be a big milestone for us. Community activity has seen a dramatic increase since the release of Dapper.08:24
sabdflwhat's driving the community activity?08:24
maxamillionCody Somerille is driving community activity08:25
tonyyarussoI'll wave a little somerville32 flag for work on UWN past and upcoming - he signed up for quite a few "beats" at our last mtg :)08:25
jendaPLUS he's from Fredericton, which was my home for a year, so I definitely think he deserves membership :)08:25
makotonyyarusso: great08:25
maxamillionsabdfl: cody is probably the single most active part of xubuntu and does a great deal of organization for the rest of us to have direction in our contributions08:25
theCoresabdfl: probably, digg.com :)08:25
sabdfltranslation is all recent for somerville3208:26
makosomerville32: great wikipage08:26
somerville32Thanks :)08:26
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sabdflcody, are you actively packaging much?08:26
somerville32sabdfl: Yes.08:26
sabdflwho's sponsoring your uploads?08:26
somerville32Crimsun has agreed to be my mentor and sponsor.08:27
imbrandonsabdfl: yes he is a regular in the #ubuntu-motu channel soaking up as much as possible and even helping other motu hopefulls where he can08:27
elmohow many xubuntu folks are core-dev atm?08:27
sabdflsomerville32: when would you say you became an active contributor, rather than user?08:27
somerville32elmo: A handful, I would guess.08:27
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somerville32sabdfl: Ever since I started using Ubuntu, I've helped out and what not in IRC. However, I would say that I started to take an active role as a contributor 3-4 months ago.08:28
EmxBAcan someone give us, new members, a FAQ list or wiki page about things that should be done after the approval process? irc cloak and mail on ubuntu.com comes when?08:28
sabdflok, +1 from me on the basis of a wide variety of contributions over several months08:29
MacSlowimbrandon, greetings btw08:29
makosomerville32: yeah, there is a wide range of contributions and good documentation08:29
elmo+1, same08:29
EmxBAand membership on ubuntumembers is 2 years?08:29
imbrandonmoins MacSlow08:29
mako+! for me08:29
mako+1 even08:29
sabdflok, welcome aboard somerville3208:30
somerville32Thanks. :)08:30
makoanyway, i need to go offline for a second08:30
sabdflwill update LP now08:30
maxamillionw00t for somerville32 !!!!!08:30
makoi'll be back ASAP08:30
elmojonh_wendell: you're up, go08:30
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jonh_wendellHello. My name is Jonh Wendell. I'm a 27 years old programmer by profession. I started using Linux in 1997 at School. I like to contribute with FOSS. It's very exciting. Mainly coding. I really like to code! Triaging bugs is a very cool activity too.08:30
jonh_wendellMy wikipage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JonhWendell08:30
jonh_wendellMy LP id: https://launchpad.net/people/wendell08:30
sabdfljonh_wendell: you look really young for your age!08:31
jonh_wendellhaha08:31
sabdflah, your son :-)08:31
sabdflwhere would you say you make the biggest contribution to the project?08:31
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seb128jonh_wendell is doing a rocking work on desktop bugs, on launchpad and also working with upstream08:31
jonh_wendellsabdfl, translation and bug triage, i guess08:31
sabdfli see lots of bug work, which is really great08:31
sabdflwhere in brazil do you live?08:32
jonh_wendellsabdfl, Macei - AL08:32
jonh_wendellsabdfl, Water paradise, a lot of wonderful beaches08:32
sabdfldo you have any specific suggestions about how we can help the brazilian community?08:32
apokryphosEmxBA: for a cloak ping Seveas, when he's around08:32
sabdflEmxBA: email address comes automatically, with a short delay08:33
sabdfl@ubuntu.com will forward to your LP preferred email08:33
EmxBAok, my mail is available on launchpad page08:33
EmxBAok08:33
jonh_wendellsabdfl, almost everything is nice in ubuntu-br08:33
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sabdflwho would you describe as the strongest leaders of the ubuntu-br community?08:33
elmowhere are the usual ubuntu-br  cheering contingent?08:33
jonh_wendellsabdfl, maybe we need a change08:34
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jonh_wendellsabdfl, because there are some personal issues involved...08:34
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jonh_wendellsabdfl, but i can't tell much because i'm relative novice on ubuntu-br08:35
sabdfljonh_wendell: ok. you can encourage folks to talk those issues through in a forum or irc or mailing list, and raise any disputes to CC if needed. how long would you say you have been an active contributor?08:35
jonh_wendellsabdfl, in Ubuntu, since July, 2006, when i finished my university08:36
sabdflwhile waiting, can we see who's next? who's still in the queue? time running short here08:36
sabdfljonh_wendell: +1 from me, mainly on bug triage and advocacy08:36
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jonh_wendellelmo, translation, documentation really makes difference on our community08:37
sabdfli must say i think the brazilian community is amazing08:37
sabdfli know there are some tensions08:37
dholbachI'm very happy with jonh_wendell too!08:37
sabdfli'd like to see those resolved - but they don't seem to be slowing things down08:37
jonh_wendellthanks, seb128, dholbach08:37
sabdflelmo?08:38
elmo+108:38
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sabdflwelcome aboard - jonh_wendell!08:38
sabdflLP updated08:38
seb128jonh_wendell: congrat!08:38
elmojderose: I think you're next08:38
jonh_wendellthanks!!!!08:38
elmogo08:38
jderoseHello everyone! My name is Jason DeRose.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JasonGerardDerose https://launchpad.net/people/jderose08:38
jderoseAfter talking to seb128, I think I might have given more weight to my upstream work than I should have (as far as Ubuntu member candidacy is concerned), but I guess it doesn't hurt to try. ;) slomo might have had a chance to look at my KungFu package. A few people might remember me from DebConf in Brazil...08:38
jderoseI wrote KungFu, a Python-gtk-gstreamer based DVD ripper, which I have packaged for Ubuntu and hope to get included in Feisty. I'm working on implementing full DVD support under gstreamer0.10, which I might finish in time to be included in Feisty. My development work has generally been upstream, but I wish to use my upstream experience, particularly with GStreamer, to help improve Ubuntu where I can. And once I am less 08:39
elmojderose: how long have you been contributing to ubuntu?08:40
jderosemy first packaging was about 10 months ago, fuplayer...08:41
sabdflhow many packages have you worked on?08:41
jderosethe past 3 moths or so i've been a lot more active.... i've packaged two apps i've written, fuplayer and kungfu.08:42
sabdfljderose: what do you think of pulse audio?08:42
sabdflare you active on mailing lists, irc, or forums?08:42
elmooh, and who's been sponsoring your packages?08:43
seb128the few bugs I've read from jderose are good quality ones (testcases attached to the bugs and a gstreamer patch by example), he didn't work on a lot of bugs for now though08:43
jderosei don't know a great deal about it yet, but is looks very interesting.  there is heating discussion on gst-devel lately  about audio server, mostly over how to address pro-audio issues.08:43
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jderoseslomo is going to sponsor kungfu.08:43
sabdfljderose: i really like the quality of your contribution, but i think we normally look for a longer period of active participation08:44
sabdflwould it be reasonable to say "keep going, come back in a month or two"?08:44
jderosesabdfl: fair enough. i can apply again later if that is the consensus.08:44
jderosesabdfl: sure.  ;)08:44
sabdflit seems you do very crisp work, which is nice08:44
sabdflsorry about the LONG delay in getting to you :-)08:44
sabdflsitting through a full CC meeting should earn major karma points08:45
sabdflwho's next?08:45
jderosesabdlf: no worries, it was a learning experience.  ;)  how long should i wait before trying to apply again?08:45
sabdfltonyyarusso: go go go!08:45
sabdfljderose: chat with seb128 and dholbach08:45
tonyyarussoHello, I am Tony Yarusso.  I've been most present on IRC, providing (and receiving) user support, as a member of the New User Network, Canadian Team, and most recently, IRC Team, among others.  With the NUN I gave a class on GPG, and helped moderate for Open Week.  I also dabble in documentation and marketing, and have begun looking into coordinating a translation, specifications, and helping out with the UWN.08:45
sabdflwhen they are happy, come again08:45
tonyyarussoI also spend time on mailing lists and answering support queries in LP.  More detailed information can be found on the Wiki (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TonyYarusso) and LP (https://launchpad.net/people/tonyyarusso).08:45
sabdflhow's the NUN going?08:46
tonyyarussoA little of each.08:46
apokryphostonyyarusso is a VERY helpful user on IRC and a recent addition to our Operator team08:46
keebtonyyarusso: is a very cool guy, always there to help.08:46
tonyyarussoWhen we have stuff, it's awesome.  Although, sometimes we lack instructors for classes - the one I did was a pretty last minute fill in.08:46
lophylaptonyyarusso is an awesome addition to the -ca loco team :)08:46
keebI have seen him work in #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic, always very helpful, very knowledgeable, and very polite08:47
PFAhe is the only person who is actually patient enough to sort through my numerous and various computer woes08:47
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PFAhi lophyte :)08:47
sabdfltonyyarusso: are you often acting as an OP on IRC?08:47
tonyyarussoFor NUN stuff, I think it would be great if we could expand our base of instructors.  A lot of the stuff we do is pretty basic, but people hear "teach" and aren't sure if they're qualified.08:47
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tonyyarussosabdfl: Every day for the last what, week and a half now?08:48
apokryphoshe's been doing well :)08:48
sabdfltonyyarusso: how long have you been an active contributor?08:48
tonyyarussosabdfl: Well, I started giving answers that others had given me on IRC pretty much the same week I started.  It was probably four months or so in (after aug 05) that the amount I could give back was reaching a critical mass08:49
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sabdflok, +1 from me for a sustained and significant contribution, mostly in user support08:49
Burgworktonyyarusso has been an active contributor to the the UWN and the Canadian Team08:49
tonyyarussoBeyond IRC, other things started falling into place around this time - Feb last year.08:49
naliothtonyyarusso is an asset to the Ubuntu community08:50
somerville32+1 for tonyyarusso !08:50
PFAtonyyarusso is the king of canada08:50
keeblol08:50
PFAsrsly, he is mega awesome and all kinds of things.08:50
elmo+1 from me too08:50
apokryphoscongrats, tonyyarusso 8)08:51
keebgrats, tonyyarusso :)08:51
PFAyay!! ^^08:51
theCorecongrats, tonyyarusso08:51
PriceChildwell done08:51
jendacongrats tony :)08:51
tonyyarussoMy long-term future project is looking at an Ojibwe translation, which I expect will be slow going, but super cool :)08:51
tonyyarussoThanks all!08:51
jbaileyEh, cool.08:51
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jbailey(For those who don't know, Ojibwe is a fairly commonly spoken native language in Canada)08:52
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sabdflok08:53
sabdflwow08:53
sabdfli think that's all members waiting?08:53
sabdfltwo quick announcements from the CC, based on a call we had earlier08:53
sabdflwe have all approved the idea of creating a new position of "CC Secretary"08:54
sabdfland we have invited Seveas to take that office as its founding title holder :-)08:54
sabdflSeveas makes a huge contribution to ubuntu08:54
sabdflespecially to keeping the CC and other leading groups on track08:54
LoudMouthManhere here08:54
sabdfland we think that's a job that deserves specific recognition08:54
sabdflso, thank you seveas, and congratulations on the new position08:55
sabdflalso, we discussed expanding the CC08:55
ajmitchcongratulations Seveas, if you're around still :)08:55
sabdfli will make some nominations later this month, after discussing them with the folks concerned08:55
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sabdflubuntumembers will have a series of votes to confirm those nominations or veto them08:55
sabdflwe will have two types of nominations08:56
sabdflsome will be straight up-or-down confirmation/veto votes08:56
sabdflothers will be more like a race, with m candidates where we will accept the top n into the CC08:56
EmxBAis there launchpad channel where i can talk to admins?08:56
dsas_EmxBA: #launchpad08:56
sabdflcjwatson is going to step down from the CC after an amazing two and a half years of leadership there08:56
kalon33re all08:57
sabdflhe will stand for the TB next (ubuntu-dev and ubuntu-core-dev vote to confirm nominations to the TB)08:57
sabdflthat's all from me08:57
sabdflclosing comments, mako, elmo?08:57
elmonot from me08:57
sabdfli think mako's stepped afk08:57
PriceChildThanks CC :)08:57
sabdflok, THANK YOU everyone!08:57
sabdflyowser, we got through a lot08:58
sabdflin like 9 hours :-)08:58
kalon33finished all that keep me away from my computer, elmo I sended you a mail a few minutes ago because I have a problem08:58
somerville32haha08:58
LoudMouthMancheers sabdfl . and congrats to all involved.08:58
somerville32:D08:58
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LoudMouthManwow I managed to be here and cook dinner for 3 at the same time !08:58
kalon33thanks sabdfl08:58
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kalon33A question for someone who know that : Is ubuntu membering applies immediately ?08:59
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sabdflkalon33: it should yes09:03
sabdflnight all09:04
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kalon33goodnight all !09:05
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makothanks everyone, sorry i couldn't be here for the entire thing09:08
LoudMouthMancheers mako , thanks for your questions .. i had to clean up chopped onions from me hands to start responding09:09
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makoLoudMouthMan: not a problem09:10
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mruizthanks mako, sabdfl09:11
mruizgoodnight09:12
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EmxBAsabye09:50
EmxBAbye :)09:50
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