[12:17] <crimsun> proppy: I explained all that to you, btw.
[12:18] <proppy> crimsun: sorry i've a goldfish memory
[12:18] <proppy> crimsun: :)
[12:18] <crimsun> proppy: np :)
[12:19] <jdong> *ahem* a goldfish can be trained and retains its memory for several months
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[12:19] <LaserJock> yes, unfortunately it's hardly ever a "We had no clue!" problem but rather a "We have no time!" problem
[12:20] <jdong> eew homophobia :D
[12:21] <proppy> is the feisty freeze planned ?
[12:21] <LaserJock> proppy: wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule
[12:22] <jdong> proppy: you haven't been in my medicine cabinet have you?
[12:22] <LaserJock> hmm, somebody must have slipped proppy some dholbach pills
[12:22] <LaserJock> jdong: you have dholbach pills?!?
[12:22] <LaserJock> ;-)
[12:23] <crimsun> the more hugs the better :-)
[12:23] <jdong> LaserJock: something like that. They're labeled Vicodin 12.5mg/1000mg though
[12:23] <jdong> nothing a sharpie can't change
[12:23] <crimsun> my happy pills arrived in the form of alsa 1.0.14rc1, hooray
[12:23] <joejaxx> lol
[12:24] <jdong> crimsun: I still rest that mine work better :D
[12:24] <crimsun> jdong: no no, if I wanted -crack-, I'd spin this cube thingy
[12:24] <proppy> i don't really know what "hug" mean btw
[12:25] <proppy> i imagine it's related to be friendly to someoneelse
[12:25] <jdong> crimsun: oh yeah? Well the windows pop out of my cube
[12:25] <jdong> proppy: you know what your dog does to your leg when it's really excited?
[12:25] <jdong> (just kidding, sorry couldn't resist)
[12:26] <proppy> jdong: bad joke, I don't got no more legs, and no more dog :(
[12:26] <joejaxx> hello everyone
[12:26] <joejaxx> crimsun: echo firm is gpl
[12:26] <jdong> proppy: sorry about that, my brakes were bad and your dog ran onto the street....
[12:26] <joejaxx> that should make you happier
[12:26] <joejaxx> crimsun: i have to find out about audioscience
[12:27] <proppy> jdong: There is a lot accessibility issue in Ubuntuf, for the people who have no legs, I should fill the wiki about that
[12:27] <crimsun> joejaxx: sure, that makes me feel warm & fuzzy.
[12:29] <joejaxx> :)
[12:50] <LaserJock> arrg, del.icio.us just took over my firefox bookmarks
[12:52] <joejaxx> lol
[12:54] <joejaxx> crimsun: did you get my invite?
[12:57] <crimsun> my client ignores invites.
[12:57] <joejaxx> oh
[12:57] <joejaxx> that is unfortune
[12:57] <joejaxx> unfortunate*
[12:58] <crimsun> nothing of your causing, just spam prevention carried over from undernet & efnet
[12:58] <joejaxx> ah
[01:13] <lfittl> review of raopplay (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3740) sought, anyone? :)
[01:13] <crimsun> well, if I can ever find my revu passwd...
[01:14] <LaserJock> you can't recover it?
[01:14] <crimsun> oh I know it
[01:14] <crimsun> or rather, I know how to get it
[01:14] <LaserJock> oh
[01:14] <crimsun> I never remember passwords, since I use insane combinations of pipes and /dev/urandom
[01:19] <tsmithe> crimsun, why???
[01:20] <crimsun> why ... what?
[01:20] <tsmithe> /dev/urandom and pipes for password
[01:20] <tsmithe> crimsun, wanna review asoundconf-gtk while you're at it?
[01:21] <crimsun> because my memory can't be trusted, and I enjoy regenerating passphrases composed of pseudo-random crap
[01:24] <tsmithe> but how do you ever get them again?
[01:24] <crimsun> I don't. See the regenerating part.
[01:24] <tsmithe> but if its urandom, how is that possible?
[01:25] <tsmithe> and some stuff must be encrypted!
[01:25] <tsmithe> so how do you ever decrypt it?
[01:25] <crimsun> I don't, and it's not so much enciphered as it is just crap
[01:25] <tsmithe> but... but...
[01:26] <tsmithe> your gpg keyring?!
[01:26] <crimsun> normally I have OTP enabled, so there's not -always- a new crackful one
[01:26] <crimsun> you mean my passphrase?
[01:27] <tsmithe> ja
[01:27] <crimsun> that's changed pretty regularly
[01:28] <crimsun> (obviously one can't [re] use a passwd that's utterly randomly recreated)
[01:29] <tsmithe> hence my confusion
[01:30] <tsmithe> but if you change your passphrase, then doesn't the private key change?
[01:30] <tsmithe> and that's often used in the free software world
[01:30] <tsmithe> especially when doing uploads and stuff
[01:30] <crimsun> I have multiple gpg keys
[01:30] <tsmithe> hmm
[01:31] <tsmithe> your system just gets more and more confusing!
[01:31] <crimsun> that's the idea
[01:31] <tsmithe> paranoia?
[01:32] <crimsun> not so much
[01:33] <tsmithe> hmm
[01:34] <tsmithe> not so much as what, then?
[01:34] <crimsun> *, or any attempt to "explain" it utterly failing
[01:54] <lfittl> crimsun: do you have time for the review now?
[01:54] <ajmitch> afternoon
[01:56] <lfittl> evening ajmitch 
[01:57] <crimsun> lfittl: I'm getting to. Sifting through bug e-mail (200 remaining) presently.
[01:58] <lfittl> crimsun: k, sure, just wanted to know if it is somewhere in your queue
[01:58] <lfittl> ajmitch: do you have time for a review? (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3740)
[01:58] <ajmitch> nope
[02:04] <crimsun> lfittl: would you like me to comment here and/or on REVU?
[02:19] <lfittl> crimsun: on REVU please
[02:21] <lfittl> crimsun: I didn't pass CFLAGS to configure because I thought that was useless, am I wrong?
[02:30] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:30] <proppy> seeya
[02:30] <tsmithe> hi
[02:30] <tsmithe> bue
[02:30] <tsmithe> *bye
[02:31] <lfittl> hey bddebian 
[02:35] <bddebian> Heya lfittl
[03:35] <LaserJock> hi everybody
[03:35] <zul> hey LaserJock 
[03:35] <somerville32> Hi LaserJock
[03:35] <rmjb> Hey Laser guy
[03:36] <ajmitch> hello LaserJock 
[03:37] <LaserJock> heh, LaserGuy, I should register that nick :-0
[03:38] <jdong> how would I evilfy ffmpeg?
[03:38] <LaserJock> ajmitch: rather be doing python?
[03:38] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[03:39] <LaserJock> generally we try to make things *less* evil ;-)
[03:39] <Lathiat> LaserJock: you missed the memo
[03:39] <Lathiat> more evil is the go these days
[03:39] <rmjb> evilfy??
[03:39] <jdong> DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=risky it seems
[03:39] <jdong> rmjb: add things like h264 and aac
[03:39] <rmjb> yay!
[03:39] <jdong> rmjb: make it multiverse effectively ;-)
[03:40] <LaserJock> Lathiat: that reminds me. I was at the library today and came across a "Guide to SCO" book 
[03:40] <Lathiat> hah
[03:40] <rmjb> can it have wma/wmv or that's against the dmca?
[03:40] <LaserJock> gave me a chuckle
[03:40] <Lathiat> see your preparing for it, and you didn't even realise
[03:40] <rmjb> "Guide to SCO" ... check the toilet :)
[03:40] <ajmitch> LaserJock: much rather do python
[03:40] <jdong> rmjb: I think newer ffmpeg has a competent WMV9 decoder actually
[03:41] <LaserJock> ajmitch: how about Ruby on Rails?
[03:41] <ajmitch> LaserJock: actually I'm sitting here tweaking html that was created by MS Word, to reimport back into word
[03:41] <rmjb> good... no need to add plf to get w32codecs
[03:41] <LaserJock> ajmitch: oh gross
[03:41] <rmjb> ajmitch: *ow
[03:42] <Admiral_Chicago> LaserJock: last time i was at the library I found a book on Aviation pay charts in 1983 or something like that
[03:42] <jdong> rmjb: yeah, and there's realplayer in the -commerical repo.... which partially resolves the realmedia problem
[03:43] <jdong> rmjb: I think come Feisty we might actually be free of w32codecs? ;-)
[03:43] <rmjb> jdong: haven't had the need to real media for some years now :)
[03:43] <jdong> rmjb: it's more of the problem of random people sending me realmedia files
[03:44] <jdong> rmjb: to be fair before h264 came around their codec was pretty much the best one for dial-up bandwidth video
[03:44] <rmjb> yeah, I can't handle the buffering problem though... that's why I always picked quicktime when I had a choice... let it load then play
[03:45] <LaserJock> I was looking for a GTK or QT book but the "newest" one was from 2004 so I figured I should just go the online route
[03:45] <rmjb> LaserJock: safari books online don't have what you need?
[03:45] <LaserJock> I did pick up an ssh book though, so now I have that and an autotools book to read
[03:46] <LaserJock> rmjb: I like having a physical book to read, my uni has a whole bunch of online programming books
[03:46] <jdong> motu-media folks, is it possible to have a multiverse ffmpeg package in addition to the universe one, that supported all the codecs?
[03:47] <rmjb> LaserJock: I rather a physical book myself... 
[03:47] <LaserJock> darn it, why did fedora have to go and kill my grub :/
[03:51] <LaserJock> you know, as good as Linux installers are at detecting and setting up Windows in grub they sure suck at detecting each other
[03:51] <rmjb> true that
[03:51] <rmjb> dapper didn't see etch when I first tried it :P
[03:51] <jdong> LaserJock: lol, that's so true
[03:52] <jdong> LaserJock: they do tend to wage GRUB-war on each other
[03:52] <jdong> OpenSuse 10.2 this morning, I instructed it to delete the old Ubuntu installation but it made a grub-entry for the non-existent kernel anyway
[03:53] <jdong> and the SuSE installer tends to be the most reliable one even
[03:53] <LaserJock> heh, my fedora install didn't see Ubuntu at all, so I tried adding it and it did some funky chainloader thing
[03:55] <jdong> Fedora's grub management system isn't close to friendly at that
[03:55] <jdong> anaconda's great, except for its dealing with other OS'es
[03:55] <LaserJock> I think I'll maybe just use vmware or qemu instead of actually trying to install
[03:55] <jdong> LaserJock: you'd want to use vmware .....
[03:55] <LaserJock> I just wanted to test fedora and opensuse out
[03:55] <jdong> LaserJock: qemu'ing a full distro is torture
[03:55] <jdong> you won't get the authentic feel
[03:56] <LaserJock> well, I would be using kqemu
[03:56] <jdong> LaserJock: though I gotta say opensuse is more worth your time
[03:56] <jdong> I've tried both already
[03:56] <jdong> LaserJock: btw, be prepared for 1GB or so of FC6 updates
[03:56] <LaserJock> yeah
[03:57] <jdong> and don't make any judgements about FC6 until those updates are done
[03:57] <LaserJock> first thing I did was click on the "Install Updates"
[03:57] <jdong> when FC6 releases, I think that just means their updater has been debugged ;-)
[03:57] <LaserJock> never got done
[03:57] <jdong> the rest of the fixes come later :D
[03:57] <LaserJock> it just sat there forever calculating package dependencies
[03:57] <jdong> the process takes a long time the first time
[03:57] <jdong> give it some time
[03:58] <jdong> it might need 1 or 2 restarts to fully complete
[03:58] <jdong> if it goes into timeout hell on a mirror
[03:58] <LaserJock> ok, so maybe I won't wipe it yet
[03:58] <LaserJock> :-)
[03:58] <jdong> the python networking libraries are somewhat prone to being in a weird state when connections fail
[03:58] <jdong> I've seen the same issues in bzr when the remote side suddenly goes down
[03:58] <jdong> LaserJock: also try using yum @ the cmdline
[03:58] <jdong> the GUI updater sucks
[03:59] <jdong> they tried to copy update-manager but forgot to make it work
[03:59] <LaserJock> is it still called up2date?
[03:59] <jdong> ;-)
[03:59] <jdong> no, it's a brand new one
[03:59] <jdong> pup
[03:59] <jdong> and puplet
[03:59] <LaserJock> ah, good
[03:59] <jdong> and pirut's their gnome-app-install
[03:59] <jdong> personally up2date worked a lot better IMO
[03:59] <jdong> all 3 tools have UI threading issues
[03:59] <LaserJock> unfortunately up2date is what caused my hardcore Linux-head boss to move to OS X
[03:59] <jdong> where network oeprations make the UI lose response
[04:00] <jdong> use yum upgrade :)
[04:00] <jdong> it'll make you feel more at home
[04:00] <rmjb> what was wrong with up2date?
[04:00] <jdong> # Build static libraries
[04:00] <jdong> ./configure --enable-gpl --enable-pp --enable-pthreads --enable-vorbis --enable-libogg --enable-a52 --enable-dts --enable-libgsm --enable-dc1394 --disable-debug --enable-mp3lame --enable-faadbin --enable-faad --enable-faac --enable-xvid --disable-ffmpeg --disable-ffserver --disable-ffplay --prefix=/usr
[04:00] <jdong> YES!
[04:00] <LaserJock> heh, first thing I used to do when I used to run Red Hate/fedora was install apt
[04:01] <jdong> LaserJock: apt4rpm doesn't work as well as yum IMO
[04:01] <LaserJock> it used to
[04:01] <jdong> not saying either is as good as the one and only APT
[04:01] <LaserJock> yum was aweful
[04:01] <jdong> LaserJock: yum's gotten better
[04:01] <LaserJock> like literally non-usable
[04:01] <jdong> and it handles bi-arch perfectly
[04:01] <LaserJock> but that was back in FC1
[04:01] <jdong> LaserJock: a lot has happened to yum since FC1
[04:01] <LaserJock> rmjb: it never worked
[04:01] <jdong> FC6 has a sqlite backend and a C metadata parser
[04:02] <jdong> for yum
[04:02] <LaserJock> interesting
[04:02] <jdong> the speed for that is greatly improved
[04:02] <jdong> i.e. local operations
[04:02] <jdong> the downloading RPM header files from the network is still slow at times
[04:02] <rmjb> meh, it works okay for us I guess... we just don't update our servers :)
[04:02] <jdong> LaserJock: invest some time in yum.repos.d setting up mirrors.kernel.org as your only mirror
[04:03] <jdong> LaserJock: most yum freezes happen because the round-robin dns for the generic update server points you at a sucky server
[04:03] <LaserJock> rmjb: that was the thing. The campus people were getting on my bosses case about security updates
[04:03] <jdong> the up2date in CentOS 4 worked great for me
[04:03] <jdong> better than FC6's stupid retarded guis
[04:03] <LaserJock> otherwise he'd still be at RedHat 7.2
[04:03] <rmjb> we're still putting our testing servers in place... after 9 months
[04:03] <rmjb> we're on RHEL 3 though
[04:03] <LaserJock> but he never was able to get updates to work
[04:04] <jdong> LaserJock: hmm, I don't think that's representative
[04:04] <LaserJock> so he jumped ship to OS X for that and MS Office
[04:04] <jdong> LaserJock: up2date has been a charm for me...
[04:04] <jdong> sure it can't handle as many scenarios as APT or yum
[04:04] <LaserJock> yeah, well that was back in the day
[04:05] <jdong> but for the general stable-updates that, say, RHEL4 gets
[04:05] <jdong> it's good for that
[04:05] <rmjb> what really shines in RHEL though is rhn... the RedHat Network... that's the ticket...
[04:05] <jdong> it applies CentOS service packs just fine
[04:05] <LaserJock> I tried it with RH 7.2, 7.3 and FC1 &2 and never got an update to actually work
[04:05] <jdong> rmjb: I've seen some screenshots of the rhn service
[04:05] <rmjb> provisioning and reloading a server from a webpage... you can't get better than that :)
[04:05] <jdong> rmjb: the RHN does seem worthwhile
[04:06] <jdong> rmjb: it offers an overview of the update status on all your subscribed boxes too, no?
[04:06] <rmjb> yep
[04:06] <rmjb> and you can easily group them
[04:06] <jdong> I wish I had that for my home network :)
[04:06] <LaserJock> then I kinda went the other way to Gentoo
[04:06] <jdong> LaserJock: ooh you were a gentoovian too?
[04:06] <rmjb> so you can say hold on the production group, push to the testing group
[04:06] <LaserJock> jdong: for over 2 years
[04:07] <jdong> LaserJock: cool
[04:07] <jdong> LaserJock: I used Gentoo before Ubuntu came around
[04:07] <jdong> I used to be pretty active too
[04:07] <jdong> LaserJock: but their poor QA during a few updates made me disillusioned
[04:08] <LaserJock> yep, I looked for a binary Gentoo and landed in Ubuntu
[04:08] <jdong> aye, that too
[04:08] <jdong> I upgraded from a 1.8GHz P4 to an Athlon64 primarily due to the compile times
[04:08] <LaserJock> I just got tired of compiling *everything* and it was hard to maintian
[04:08] <jdong> it is a high-maintenance distro to use
[04:08] <jdong> always emerge -uDav world
[04:08] <jdong> and once every week a major upstream release of something makes you hunt after config files
[04:09] <jdong> what was that command...
[04:09] <jdong> etc-update that's it!
[04:09] <jdong> oh the fun of merging config files
[04:09] <LaserJock> but it had basically every piece of software I wanted
[04:09] <LaserJock> that was my big draw
[04:09] <jdong> that was a cool thing
[04:09] <jdong> and writing ebuilds for new software was a real snap too
[04:12] <zul> meh...gentoo..i was a gentoo develoepr as well
[04:13] <jdong> zul: ooh, now you were a developer for them
[04:13] <jdong> :)
[04:13] <jdong> I was just a nerdy user that stopped by bugzilla once in a while and hung out on their forums
[04:14] <jdong> (usually those bugzilla stops were 0day version bump requests but ANYWAY.... :D)
[04:17] <LaserJock> I was just a user
[04:17] <rmjb> how come ffmpeg is in universe and not multiverse?
[04:17] <LaserJock> Ubuntu is the first time I've had any motivation to do development, that's why I love it
[04:19] <LaserJock> rmjb: I think because we took out the "bad" bits
[04:19] <rmjb> is it built entirely from source? (that's the only criterion for something to end up in multi right?)
[04:19] <bddebian> No
[04:19] <bddebian> multiverse == non-free
[04:19] <LaserJock> the only criterion for Multiverse is distributable
[04:19] <LaserJock> and legal I guess
[04:20] <rmjb> non-free == proprietary? patented?
[04:20] <bddebian> Doesn't carry a free license like GPL, etc
[04:21] <rmjb> ahh... got it
[04:21] <LaserJock> proprietary, closed-source, etc.
[04:21] <jdong> can we put the bad bits back in a multiverse ffmpeg package?
[04:21] <jdong> i.e. ffmpeg-all
[04:22] <jdong> with the presence of video ipods the ability for ffmpeg to natively handle all these formats is quite important
[04:22] <jdong> there are checkinstalled ffmpeg packages floating around all the ipod video howto's
[04:23] <jdong> a second package IMO is the lesser of two evils
[04:23] <jdong> though personally I'd say shove it all into multiverse :D
[04:23] <jdong> because if we go with an anal multimedia policy like OpenSuse
[04:23] <LaserJock> perhaps, I think siretart wants ffmpeg in Main though
[04:23] <rmjb> will also cut back on using easyubuntu & Automatix for this
[04:24] <jdong> rmjb: automatix is only a problem in this case if it chooses to autoinstall checkinstalled junk
[04:24] <LaserJock> I'm not sure how having one part in Main and one part in Multiverse would go, but I'd think it'd be possible
[04:24] <jdong> which sadly is the case when they can't find people with legit packages
[04:24] <jdong> LaserJock: there are some other packages done this way...
[04:24] <jdong> I think
[04:24] <jdong> where they have a universe/multiverse variants that conflict each other
[04:24] <jdong> slomo: waah give us full ffmpeg :D
[04:25] <rmjb> siretart: taking a crack at merging uqm
[04:27] <rmjb> this line in control:
[04:27] <rmjb> XS-Vcs-Svn:
[04:27] <rmjb> is for some sort of auto updating script?
[04:41] <LaserJock> rmjb: it's apparently for showing svn repo paths for the Debian PTS
[04:43] <rmjb> alrighty then... there's still much I have to learn about the ins and outs of packaging
[04:44] <rmjb> but for now, it's bed time
[04:44] <rmjb> g'night all
[04:45] <LaserJock> cya
[05:25] <LaserJock> wow, really rockin' in here tonight :-)
[05:25] <ajmitch> LaserJock: of course
[05:25] <bddebian> heh
[05:25] <ajmitch> we're exciting people
[05:25] <bddebian> Hmm, now ajmitch can review libparagui ;-P
[05:27] <bddebian> LaserJock: Notice how ajmitch avoids me ;-)
[05:30] <somerville32> Gah!
[05:30] <bddebian> hehe
[05:31] <LaserJock> bddebian: ajmitch is smart :-)
[05:31] <somerville32> It doesn't help that I only have a 333mhz w/ 128mb of RAM which makes building packages take forever.
[05:32] <Hobbsee> ouch.  you need to poke imbrandon or someone, to get a machine to build on
[05:32] <LaserJock> haha
[05:33] <LaserJock> bddebian: yes you are
[05:33] <LaserJock> just rest in the comfort that you've probably done more merges than ajmitch and I combined :-)
[05:33] <bddebian> Yet I still get no love :-)
[05:34] <bddebian> :-)
[05:35] <somerville32> Does anyone know what apt-index-watch is?
[05:35] <somerville32> It is chewing up 50% of my CPU and my CPU cycles are very precious. <g>
[05:38] <bddebian> Some kind of automatic apt-update thingy?
[05:38] <somerville32> I can't find the executable anywheres and if I kill it, it starts up agai
[05:38] <bddebian> Hmm
[05:41] <somerville32> Hobbsee, Will they really give me a machine to build on?
[05:41] <Hobbsee> they might give you ssh access to one of their machines for building
[05:42] <somerville32> But don't you need root to build?
[05:43] <Hobbsee> no
[05:44] <Hobbsee> not if you set it up properly
[05:44] <somerville32> Then I guess I haven't set it up properly <g>
[05:45] <Hobbsee> well, you can set it up in a way so that you dont
[05:48] <somerville32> What does this mean?: dpkg-genchanges: failure: cannot read files list file: No such file or directory
[05:49] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: we talked with elmo about it
[05:51] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: and?
[05:51] <bddebian> Gnight gang
[05:52] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: basically LP is going to grow community build features
[05:52] <LaserJock> and Canonical has community machines
[05:53] <LaserJock> that should go online sometime
[05:53] <LaserJock> the basic problem wasn't so much getting machines to build
[05:53] <LaserJock> but making sure it's safe (very tough) and bandwidth
[05:54] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: yes...
[05:57] <ajmitch> oh dear, I missed bddebian
[05:57] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: so we basically abandoning the idea of us admining our own build farm
[05:57] <LaserJock> *we are
[05:57] <ademan> hey has vil been around lately?  I havent heard from him in almost a week
[05:58] <LaserJock> in favor of using LP and Canonical's community builders
[05:58] <ajmitch> PPA FTW
[05:58] <LaserJock> heh, perhaps
[05:58] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: fair enough
[05:58] <LaserJock> it still seem rather crazy to me
[05:58] <ajmitch> it is
[05:58] <somerville32> What does this mean?: dpkg-genchanges: failure: cannot read files list file: No such file or directory. I got it during the end of the build process.
[05:59] <ajmitch> another sabdfl magic moment
[05:59] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: basically the problem is that Canonical has already got machines and bandwidth for us, it's more a matter of working out the details
[06:00] <LaserJock> elmo did say if we had hardware donations and they could be shipped to London he'd be fine with putting them up
[06:00] <LaserJock> but he said they have something like 20 machines already around
[06:00] <LaserJock> so it seems hardware is not the problem but getting "untrusted" people access
[06:01] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: gotcha
[06:01] <Hobbsee> yeah
[06:01] <Hobbsee> and everyone in -core-dev or -dev seems to have fairly decent access
[06:02] <ajmitch> shifty, dangerous people like Hobbsee 
[06:03] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:03] <ajmitch> speak for yourself, we have legends like crimsun on old, slow hardware
[06:03] <Hobbsee> s/everyone/most/
[06:04] <ajmitch> I'm not too badly off, but it's not like I have a lot of data cap to burn through each month
[06:09] <Hobbsee> !packagingguide
[06:09] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[06:09] <somerville32> The packaging guide is a good start, yes.
[06:10] <somerville32> Or was that not for me? <g>
[06:11] <Hobbsee> there's no ubotu in -devel
[06:12] <somerville32> Hobbsee, Coming to the CC tomorrow?
[06:13] <somerville32> Hobbsee, Also, for some reason I'm getting this error near the end of the build process: dpkg-genchanges: failure: cannot read files list file: No such file or directory
[06:16] <Hobbsee> somerville32: what time is it, sydney tie?
[06:17] <Hobbsee> somerville32: no
[06:17] <somerville32> It is 01:17.
[06:17] <Hobbsee> [16:17]  <Ubugtu> Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 13 Dec 02:00: Loco Team | 13 Dec 03:00: Community Council | 13 Dec 23:00: Edubuntu | 15 Dec 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 20 Dec 07:00: Technical Board | 21 Dec 07:00: Edubuntu
[06:17] <somerville32> (currently in Atlantic Canada)
[06:18] <somerville32> Oh, fun :] 
[06:18] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: should be easy for you to get to
[06:19] <somerville32> So... about the error <g>
[06:20] <Hobbsee> for checkinstall?
[06:20] <Hobbsee> NFI - just that it failed
[06:20] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yeah, right.
[06:20] <somerville32> Not that error
[06:20] <somerville32> dpkg-genchanges: failure: cannot read files list file: No such file or directory
[06:20] <Hobbsee> 3am -6am meeting...what fun
[06:20] <Hobbsee> er, pass?
[06:21] <Hobbsee> it's got debian/changelog in there?
[06:22] <somerville32> Yup.
[06:22] <somerville32> The error just started to occur
[06:22] <somerville32> I dunno what I've done to start causing it
[06:32] <somerville32> Hmm...
[06:32] <somerville32> This is weird.
[07:06] <somerville32> Hobbsee_, I think I found the error
[07:07] <Hobbsee_> somerville32: yay?
[07:07] <somerville32> I removed dh_genchanges from rules
[07:10] <Hobbsee> ah
[07:18] <somerville32> Now I get this error: dpkg-genchanges: failure: cannot open upload file ../pyneighborhood_0.3-0ubuntu1_all.deb for reading: No such file or directory
[07:18] <Hobbsee> you running out of space?
[07:18] <imbrandon> ello all
[07:19] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon!
[07:19] <imbrandon> Hobbsee !!
[07:21] <ajmitch> hi imbrandon 
[07:21] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch 
[07:21] <somerville32> imbrandon: Can I get a box to build on?
[07:22] <imbrandon> e.g. you mean an account on my box?
[07:22] <somerville32> I dunno.
 It doesn't help that I only have a 333mhz w/ 128mb of RAM which makes building packages take forever.
 ouch.  you need to poke imbrandon or someone, to get a machine to build on
[07:22] <somerville32> * somerville32 throws his computer at imbrandon.
[07:22] <imbrandon> ahhh yea
[07:23] <imbrandon> if you can wait ~24 hours or so i'll have the new faster box ready
[07:23] <imbrandon> then i'll set you up an account
[07:23] <somerville32> Awesome. Thanks :] 
[07:23] <Lathiat> would another box be of use to people here?
[07:23] <Lathiat> one in australia?
[07:23] <Lathiat> im happy to offer up some cpu & bandwidth power
[07:23] <imbrandon> if you would drop me an email at imbrandon@kubuntu.org so i dont forget :)
[07:23] <imbrandon> somerville32: ^^
[07:24] <Lathiat> with 1.8M/s access to mirrors... or i could arrange some space for a local mirror
[07:24] <somerville32> ^_^
[07:24] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: may well be.  where in australia are you?
[07:24] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: would like it, for oen
[07:24] <Hobbsee> *one
[07:24] <Lathiat> perth
[07:24] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[07:24] <imbrandon> Lathiat: possible, i give people accounts to my boxes that have 100MB/s connection to the net and mirror but i cant do the whole community :)
[07:25] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: would be very appreciative, i think
[07:25] <Lathiat> well ..
[07:25] <Hobbsee> and anyone else in the southern hemisphere
[07:25] <Hobbsee> the lag time to imbrandon's box is shocking
[07:25] <Lathiat> i also work for a colo facility that has that speed 
[07:25] <imbrandon> Fujitsu: has accounts on mine and Burgundavia's iirc :)
[07:25] <Lathiat> but i dont have any appropriate hardware there
[07:25] <Lathiat> imbrandon: is that in .au?
[07:25] <Lathiat> yeh
[07:25] <imbrandon> Lathiat: so do i :)
[07:25] <Lathiat> Hobbsee: it would be
[07:25] <imbrandon> but not in au
[07:25] <Lathiat> perhaps i will look into this
[07:25] <Hobbsee> imbrandon's is nice and fast, but it's got a 2-3 second delay, most of the time
[07:25] <Hobbsee> maybe 1 if you're lucky
[07:26] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: that should go away with the new boxes
[07:26] <imbrandon> :)
[07:26] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:26] <imbrandon> moved from cable to my work connection
[07:26] <imbrandon> thats 100MB/s directly to the trunk
[07:26] <Lathiat> imbrandon: is that in the US?
[07:26] <imbrandon> yes
[07:26] <Lathiat> lag to australia from the US sucks no matter what connection your on
[07:27] <Lathiat> drives me up the wall
[07:27] <Lathiat> when using ssh interactively 
[07:27] <imbrandon> whats your ping time to voyager.imbranodn.com ?
[07:27] <Lathiat> so if i were to organise a .au box, for .au people
[07:27] <imbrandon> just curoous
[07:27] <Lathiat> perhaps this could be usefull
[07:27] <imbrandon> curious*
[07:27] <imbrandon> Lathiat: yup possibly
[07:27] <Lathiat> 260ms
[07:27] <imbrandon> wow
[07:27] <imbrandon> thats crazy
[07:27] <Lathiat> thats australia for you ;)
[07:27] <Lathiat> it might suck a little less for the east coast
[07:27] <Lathiat> btu yeh
[07:27] <Lathiat> it sucks :)
[07:28] <imbrandon> i get less than 10ms pings to it
[07:28] <Lathiat> yes
[07:28] <Lathiat> your on the other side of the world
[07:28] <Lathiat> :)
[07:28] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:28] <Lathiat> light only travels so quick
[07:28] <Lathiat> hrm hrm hrm
[07:28] <Lathiat> we have a dual opteron at work that isnt doing anything atm
[07:28] <Lathiat> i wonder if i can comandeer it
[07:28] <imbrandon> :)
[07:28] <Lathiat> imbrandon: 220ms from an east coast machine
[07:29] <Lathiat> in fact we have a couple dual opties.. and a dual xeon
[07:29] <imbrandon> what colo do you work for ? i work for gsihosting
[07:29] <Lathiat> so i think i can borrow one
[07:29] <Lathiat> HostAway.net.au
[07:29] <imbrandon> yea voyager is a core 2 duo
[07:29] <Lathiat> our website is horrible, dont look at it ;)
[07:29] <imbrandon> :)
[07:29] <Lathiat> we're not that big, being in perth
[07:29] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: TheMuso would also love it
[07:29] <Lathiat> about 130 machines, + about 60 machines of our own for the web/email hosting side of things
[07:30] <Lathiat> we have gigabit to ftp.uwa.edu.au, ftp.iinet.net.au
[07:30] <Lathiat> which both have ubuntu mirrors
[07:30] <imbrandon> wow we have over 3k machines we host plus about 1k we manage for walmart and visa
[07:30] <Lathiat> plus i can mirror it locally
[07:30] <Lathiat> imbrandon: yeh well, we're pretty small :)
[07:30] <Lathiat> colo business in .au and especially perth is a bit smalltime
[07:30] <Lathiat> because it costs too much
[07:30] <imbrandon> yea
[07:30] <imbrandon> i could imaigine
[07:30] <Lathiat> we charge $5/GB
[07:30] <Lathiat> its insane
[07:30] <imbrandon> holy shit
[07:30] <imbrandon> err sh*t
[07:30] <Lathiat> you probably get a terrabyte for that over there
[07:31] <imbrandon> we dont charge per GB
[07:31] <imbrandon> no caps
[07:31] <Lathiat> *we* pay $350/mbit for transit
[07:31] <imbrandon> OUCH
[07:31] <Lathiat> and thats a *damn* good price for perth
[07:31] <Lathiat> especially for the amount of transit we buy
[07:31] <Lathiat> so yeh
[07:31] <Lathiat> .au definitely isnt' where it at
[07:31] <Lathiat> but the market is australian people
[07:31] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:32] <Lathiat> because, lag to the US sucks
[07:32] <Lathiat> as does bandwidth
[07:32] <imbrandon> yea
[07:32] <Lathiat> with 250ms of latency
[07:32] <Lathiat> your TCP connections by defautl top out at 200-300K/s
[07:32] <imbrandon> wow
[07:32] <Lathiat> due to window sizing 
[07:32] <Lathiat> multistream downloaders work very well in .au
[07:32] <Lathiat> for that reason
[07:32] <Lathiat> i'll get 100-200K/s in 1 stream.. using axel i can pull 1.6M/s
[07:32] <Lathiat> from cachefly and stuf fin the US
[07:32] <imbrandon> yea here its not even worth the trubble
[07:33] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:34] <imbrandon> i'm eventualy gonna have a whole buildd farm at work
[07:34] <imbrandon> i have a whole rack now to myself
[07:34] <Lathiat> nice
[07:34] <imbrandon> that i comendeered
[07:34] <Lathiat> hah
[07:34] <Lathiat> i comandeered a "test" p4 2.6ghz machine
[07:34] <Lathiat> it uh.. does lots of legal things
[07:35] <imbrandon> well we have employee rack space in a shared rack , but when i asked the boss for a class c of ip's he gave me a rack
[07:35] <Lathiat> haha
[07:35] <imbrandon> part of it was i saved their ass the other night 
[07:35] <Lathiat> do you pay for that?
[07:35] <imbrandon> with a major client's oracle db went down and i saved the box
[07:35] <imbrandon> nope
[07:35] <Lathiat> haha
[07:35] <Lathiat> nice
[07:35] <imbrandon> gratis from the company
[07:35] <Lathiat> yeh i'm pondering moving over east to try deal with some bigger networks
[07:35] <Lathiat> moving to the US is hard
[07:36] <Lathiat> getting a work visa seems practically impossible 
[07:36] <Burgundavia> canadian is easier
[07:36] <jdong> any word on hal the vlc 0.8.6 merging is going?
[07:36] <imbrandon> not for the US its easy
[07:36] <somerville32> I can walk into the US, lol
[07:36] <Burgundavia> somerville32: we are canucks, it is easy for us
[07:36] <somerville32> Getting into Canada is a piece of cake.
[07:36] <imbrandon> work visa's in the US are like stupid simple to get
[07:36] <somerville32> :D
[07:36] <Lathiat> imbrandon: i looked into it and it seemed to requrie special skills etc
[07:37] <Lathiat> i know a mate, @stake security wanted to bring him in
[07:37] <Lathiat> like they really wanted to gethim
[07:37] <Lathiat> fly him over, accomodate etc
[07:37] <Lathiat> and they wouldnt grant him a visa
[07:37] <imbrandon> wow 
[07:37] <Lathiat> because he wasnt in the industry for at least 5 years 
[07:37] <Burgundavia> got a friend with the same thing, had a job, but they wouldn't give her a visa
[07:37] <imbrandon> we have to guys from spain here , it was like nothing to bring them in afaik
[07:37] <imbrandon> nuts
[07:37] <Lathiat> want to bring me in? ;)
[07:38] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:38] <Lathiat> spain may be different i dont know
[07:38] <Lathiat> altho i wouldnt have thought so
[07:38] <imbrandon> right now i'm in the process of migrating 1500 centos boxes to ubuntu ( next will be our workstations )
[07:39] <somerville32> imbrandon, Is your company a canonical partnet?
[07:39] <somerville32> *partner
[07:39] <imbrandon> not yet
[07:39] <imbrandon> i talked to the big wigs to possibly work somethign out
[07:39] <imbrandon> they use ALOT of ubuntu and pay me part of the week to actualy work on ubuntu sooooo
[07:39] <imbrandon> its just a matter of time
[07:40] <Lathiat> imbrandon: nice
[07:40] <somerville32> Does the Walmart server run Ubuntu?
[07:40] <Lathiat> thats pretty cool
[07:40] <Lathiat> i hate centos ;)
[07:40] <imbrandon> they were already in the process of moving from centos to ubuntu when i got brouhgt in
[07:40] <Lathiat> imbrandon: really? awesome
[07:40] <imbrandon> somerville32: no 98% of walmarts boxes are windows 2k3
[07:41] <somerville32> Migrate them! :] 
[07:41] <imbrandon> with 10 or so RH4 EL oracle boxes
[07:41] <Lathiat> ahh redhat
[07:41] <Lathiat> if only when i ring your suport line i didnt end up with 3 idiots in a row :)
[07:41] <imbrandon> nah they are just fine on win2k3 for the minute, that would be a major undertaking 
[07:42] <somerville32> Ok, back to packaging
[07:42] <somerville32> I get:
[07:42] <somerville32> dpkg-genchanges: not including original source code in upload
[07:42] <somerville32> dpkg-buildpackage: binary and diff upload (original source NOT included)
[07:42] <imbrandon> e.g. recoding all their weapps , e.g. many many man hours , e.g. wont be done anytime soon
[07:42] <somerville32> This is during the build
[07:42] <ajmitch> somerville32: fine, so long as you don't intend to put it on revu :)
[07:43] <somerville32> ajmitch: I don't understand why it is saying that
[07:43] <somerville32> I did:
[07:43] <somerville32> debuild -S -sa
[07:43] <somerville32> cd ..
[07:43] <somerville32> pbuilder-feisty build *.dsc
[07:43] <ajmitch> then that's usual
[07:43] <imbrandon> thats normal for that then
[07:43] <ajmitch> pbuilder makes binary packages
[07:43] <ajmitch> you still have the source package there
[07:43] <imbrandon> wb Burgundavia 
[07:43] <somerville32> ok, goodie
[07:44] <imbrandon> ( just debuild -S -sa again before you upload to revu
[07:44] <imbrandon> )
[07:44] <imbrandon> ajmitch: not really i have to put in the work for the goodies :)
[07:44] <imbrandon> if i had all day to play with the toys it would be cool :)
[07:44] <ajmitch> sure, that's expected
[07:45] <ajmitch> work can't afford to get me toys :)
[07:45] <somerville32> Ok
[07:45] <somerville32> I got the package to build now
[07:45] <Burgundavia> bloody NM
[07:45] <somerville32> but no there is no python dependency
[07:45] <Lathiat> yes, bloody NM
[07:45] <Lathiat> it keeps breaking avahi :)
[07:46] <somerville32> I had the ${python:Depend} thingie
[07:46] <ajmitch> Depends, I hope
[07:46] <somerville32> Depends: ${python:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, python-gtk2 (>= 2.6), smbclient (>= 3.0.22)
[07:47] <ajmitch> and one of dh_py* is being called?
[07:47] <somerville32>         dh_pysupport
[07:47] <somerville32>         dh_python
[07:47] <somerville32> in rules
[07:47] <somerville32> in binary-indep:
[07:49] <imbrandon> brb food
[07:49] <ajmitch> hard to tell just by seeing bits & pieces of the problem
[07:49] <somerville32> Want ssh access?
[07:50] <ajmitch> not particularly
[07:50] <ajmitch> just a source package would do
[07:50] <somerville32> Can I just set the dependency manually?
[07:51] <ajmitch> you can, but it's not recommended :)
[07:52] <ajmitch> I think that using dh_python might be unnecessary now, but I haven't kept up in the last couple of months
[07:52] <LaserJock> bah, why isn't my sid deb-src line working :(
[07:53] <ajmitch> LaserJock: how is it broken?
[07:54] <Lathiat> hrm, feisty base or an edgy base with some chroot/pbuilder love?
[07:54] <ajmitch> which is odd considering it's a rotation of 7 servers
[07:54] <ajmitch> Lathiat: since you've got lvm+md & other fun things, you may have issues with having things boot reliably in feisty still
[07:54] <somerville32> lathiat: Who is that question for?
[07:55] <Lathiat> this is for a dedicated build/dev machine
[07:55] <Lathiat> hrm
[07:55] <LaserJock> ajmitch: well, I have an edgy machine with feisty and sid deb-src lines, and when I use -t sid it pulls from feisty
[07:55] <Lathiat> i think theres hardware raid in that mcahine maybe
[07:57] <somerville32> ajmitch: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ch-programs.html
[07:57] <somerville32> I think I'm suppose to just set a python dependency manually
[07:58] <ajmitch> LaserJock: ah right, that is annoying
[07:58] <ajmitch> somerville32: it should just work
[07:58] <ajmitch> but you can probably depend on python
[07:59] <ajmitch> without specifying versions
[08:01] <somerville32> ajmitch: All the source code is in the top directory
[08:01] <somerville32> How do I pass the top directory as the argument?
[08:01] <ajmitch> hm?
[08:01] <ajmitch> argument to what?
[08:01] <somerville32> "To use this feature, pass a list of directories to be managed by python-support to dh_pysupport and dh_python"
[08:02] <ajmitch> that's for the final installation path, eg something under /usr/share
[08:02] <ajmitch> probably not what you want
[08:02] <Lathiat> well i'll go feisty and see how we go
[08:03] <Lathiat> imbrandon: what do you run?
[08:03] <imbrandon> where? on the colo buildd's ? edgy
[08:03] <imbrandon> edgy server with dapper / edgy /feisty / and sid pbuilders
[08:03] <Lathiat> hrm
[08:03] <Lathiat> is that the better idea?
[08:04] <imbrandon> better for now, i wouldent put anything into production that wasent released as the main os
[08:04] <imbrandon> even if i do work on it :)
[08:04] <Lathiat> well "production" is a hairy word :P
[08:05] <imbrandon> then again i use feisty at home on a desktop  too
[08:05] <imbrandon> Lathiat: well if you plan on giving out more then your self as a user
[08:05] <imbrandon> i would call it production :)
[08:05] <imbrandon> but thats just my 0.2c
[08:06] <Lathiat> i guess dealing with feisty totally breaking the machine continually would suck :)
[08:06] <Lathiat> so maybe it is
[08:06] <imbrandon> they actualy servers at work running ubuntu ( other than mine ) are all dapper :)
[08:06] <Lathiat> yeh i run on dapper on serverness
[08:06] <Lathiat> dual 3.2ghz xeon w/2GB of ram, should be usefull
[08:06] <Lathiat> 32bit, tho
[08:07] <imbrandon> 64bit will give you 32bit and 64bit pbuilders for sid edgy dapper and feisty :)
[08:07] <Lathiat> yeh except its a 32bit xeon ;p
[08:07] <imbrandon> or you mean the xeon is 32bit ?
[08:07] <imbrandon> ahh
[08:07] <imbrandon> better than nothing
[08:07] <imbrandon> :)
[08:07] <Lathiat> i'll try scrounge an opteron later
[08:07] <Lathiat> but this is available now :)
[08:07] <imbrandon> i only have a x86 and a ppc in the rack for the moment
[08:08] <Lathiat> sudo to pbuilder?
[08:08] <imbrandon> ( and the ppc was my old lappy comissioned as a server untill i can get my hands on a ibm power5 )
[08:08] <imbrandon> yea sudo access to pbulder
[08:08] <Lathiat> and i suppose you can use pbuilder login to bash things out
[08:09] <imbrandon> yes pbuilder-distro login
[08:09] <imbrandon> etc
[08:10] <imbrandon> with ssh keys from LP for those you choose to give access too
[08:10] <imbrandon> and gont let them put a gpg key on their
[08:10] <imbrandon> there*
[08:10] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I figured it out. If the versions are identical it grabs the source from the first deb-src line in sources.list
[08:11] <imbrandon> ok dinners ready , brb
[08:16] <LaserJock> arggg, now its getting it *only* from sid, even if the versions aren't the same :/
[08:25] <somerville32> Ok
[08:25] <somerville32> woot
[08:25] <somerville32> Uploaded to revu
[08:27] <LaserJock> interesting, I made apt-get core dump
[08:28] <somerville32> Could someone review? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3743
[08:33] <jdong> LaserJock: did you try to install another competing package manager? ;-)
[08:35] <LaserJock> well, apparently it doesn't like my edgy deb line
[08:35] <LaserJock> if I have that line it seg faults
[08:35] <somerville32> LaserJock, What are you trying to do?
[08:36] <LaserJock> I want to have edgy and sid deb-src lines so I can get source packages via apt-get
[08:37] <somerville32> Interesting
[08:37] <LaserJock> however, I found a debian bug repot that said you have to have the corresponding deb line
[08:38] <somerville32> Is the issue having both sid and edgy?
[08:38] <LaserJock> well, not for deb-src
[08:40] <somerville32> ajmitch, Wanna review my package now? <g>
[08:41] <LaserJock> interesting, in edgy it actually spits out an error: E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
[08:41] <ajmitch> LaserJock: ah, apt has had a few issues with multiple deb-src lines
[08:41] <LaserJock> well, so much for that bright idea
[08:42] <ajmitch> the Hobbsee?
[08:42] <Hobbsee> of course
[08:42] <LaserJock> ajmitch: see -devel
[08:42] <ajmitch> somerville32: I'm glad you stopped it installing a .pyc file
[08:42] <ajmitch> that's just asking for breakage
[08:42] <Hobbsee> what's a .pyc file?
[08:42] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: python compiled bytecode
[08:43] <Hobbsee> ahh
[08:43] <somerville32> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3744
[08:43] <ajmitch> not a stable format at all, so packages installing it are crazy
[08:43] <somerville32> Hobbsee, Come review me package :] 
[08:43] <somerville32> + please
[08:44] <ajmitch> somerville32: put the email address in the maintainer field
[08:44] <somerville32> ajmitch: I did. See http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3744 for latest.
[08:44] <somerville32> That is, if you are talking about the same thing I am
[08:44] <ajmitch> ah, that's revu stripping out the <> bits
[08:44] <ajmitch> never mind me, I was only looking at it via the web page
[08:45] <LaserJock> somerville32: did you use a patch for the Makefile?
[08:46] <somerville32> LaserJock: It is in the diff
[08:46] <ajmitch> somerville32: your package may be one that counts as shipping a private module
[08:47] <somerville32> I think you're right
[08:47] <ajmitch> so you should use XB-Python-Version & XS-Python-Version
[08:47] <somerville32> Can I use "current" ?
[08:47] <ajmitch> yeah
[08:47] <ajmitch> or all
[08:47] <ajmitch> all may be better
[08:49] <ajmitch> does it just need smbclient, or does it need the smbfs package as well?
[08:49] <somerville32> I can't even get the program to work
[08:49] <ajmitch> ah
[08:49] <ajmitch> that's an important first step to getting it uploaded ;)
[08:49] <somerville32> lol
[08:49] <somerville32> I just assume I'm too stupid to use it :P
[08:50] <somerville32> What paragraph does The python version stuff go in?
[08:51] <ajmitch> XS-Python-Version goes with the info about the source package
[08:51] <ajmitch> XB-P-V for the binary package
[08:52] <somerville32> So para 1 and para 2?
[08:52] <ajmitch> yes
[08:52] <ajmitch> not that they're usually referred to by paragraphs :)
[08:53] <somerville32> "dpkg-source: error: per-package paragraph 2 in control info file is missing Package line"
[08:54] <somerville32> ;] 
[08:54] <ajmitch> dpkg is spethial
[08:54] <somerville32> ajmitch: Are merges easy to do?
[08:54] <ajmitch> depends
[08:55] <ajmitch> some of them are trivial
[08:55] <somerville32> Would it be a good way for me to help out and learn?
[08:55] <ajmitch> some of them require intimate knowledge of the source
[08:55] <ajmitch> eg there are 10 ubuntu patches against a previous upstream version, which ones should be kept?
[08:55] <ajmitch> most are fairly trivial
[08:55] <ajmitch> it's often a good way to help out
[09:00] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: /win 5
[09:00] <Fujitsu> Oops.
[09:00] <Fujitsu> Gah.
[09:01] <ajmitch> hah
[09:01] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: what was that supposed to be?
[09:02] <Fujitsu> I was probably going to respond to one of your messages some time ago, and failed to erase the Hobbsee: when I changed into another window.
[09:02] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: ah right.  @ Lathiat's build farm machine talk?
[09:04] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: are you still on some insanely throttled dsl plan?
[09:05] <LaserJock> my goodness this Debian package is messy
[09:07] <ajmitch> which one?
[09:08] <LaserJock> rpy
[09:08] <LaserJock> the maintainer has basically *every* dh_* in there
[09:09] <somerville32> Can someone advocate? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3745
[09:09] <somerville32> :] 
[09:09] <LaserJock> I'm doing an SRU to fix his botched Python Policy but he still doesn't have it right I don't think
[09:10] <Hobbsee> ah
[09:11] <ajmitch> LaserJock: unfortunate
[09:11] <ajmitch> somerville32: no way I can advocate a package you've admitted to not even running
[09:15] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: No, it's always been Optus cable, and my limit has been bumped from 1GB to 12GB (+24GB offpeak) as of a month or two ago.
[09:19] <ajmitch> ah, that's not so bad
[09:19] <Fujitsu> It's good not being limited to 28.8kbps for most of the month.
[09:19] <Fujitsu> 10Mbps, wheeeee.
[09:22] <Hobbsee> hehe, lucky
[09:22] <Hobbsee> you dont get all of that presumably
[09:23] <Sp4rKy> hi there
[09:23] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: What do you mean?
[09:23] <StevenK> 10Mbps to what, though? A BBQ and a garden hose?
[09:24] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: the full speed
[09:24] <ajmitch> 3.5Kbps on a poor one
[09:24] <Fujitsu> I regularly get ~1.2MB/s to Australian sites.
[09:24] <Fujitsu> Optus' international link really sucks.
[09:28] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: why would you be afraid of her?
[09:28] <Fujitsu> Damnit.
[09:28] <ajmitch> she's mostly harmless
[09:28] <Hobbsee> Mostly.
[09:28] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: I'm only 900km from her.
[09:29] <zakame> hi all
[09:29] <zakame> hi Hobbsee and mistress long pointy stick
[09:29] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: all talk :)
[09:29] <StevenK> Heh
[09:29] <zakame> heh
[09:30] <Hobbsee> hello zakame 
[09:30] <StevenK> Three in Europe, and mdz, who is ... some place different every week it seems
[09:34] <zakame> hmm what merges to do next?
[09:37] <Seveas> Hobbsee mostly harmless? Neh....
[09:37] <Hobbsee> Seveas: ajmitch is delusional, it seems
[09:37] <zakame> hmm when's sun-java6-* pkgs due?
[09:37] <Hobbsee> StevenK: if it segfaults, yes
[09:37] <Seveas> Hobbsee, it indeed seems so
[09:38] <StevenK> I can make it do that... :-P
[09:38] <Seveas> make it do a reboot
[09:38] <Hobbsee> good!
[09:38] <Hobbsee> Seveas: or break X in th eprocess
[09:39] <StevenK> Add "kill(getpid(), 11);" ...
[09:39] <Hobbsee> argh, hwo do i search launchpad by just a number?
[09:39] <Seveas> Make it install automatix!
[09:39] <Hobbsee> and beryl!
[09:39] <Seveas> and debian versions of libc and the like
[09:39] <StevenK> I think we're getting too evil now.
[09:39] <Seveas> neh
[09:39] <Seveas> we're just getting started
[09:40] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:40] <elkbuntu> StevenK, this is hardly evil
[09:40] <elkbuntu> Seveas, can be way more imaginative than that
[09:40] <Seveas> elkbuntu, icecubes?
[09:40] <StevenK> elkbuntu: Oh?
[09:40] <elkbuntu> Seveas, bwahahaha... that was hardly evil... annoying, not evil
[09:40] <ajmitch> Seveas!
[09:41] <LaserJock> I want it to replace the wallpaper with http://fridge.ubuntu.com/files/no-pony-for-you.jpg
[09:41] <Seveas> elkbuntu, it was fun with joey ;) 
[09:41] <elkbuntu> LaserJock, the wallpaper thing's been done before sort of
[09:41] <LaserJock> yeah, but I want the pony one :-)
[09:41] <elkbuntu> Seveas, if it were not for all the power outlets around, it would have been WAR
[09:42] <Seveas> if it weren't for you being too small and helpeless you mean :p
[09:42] <elkbuntu> i am not helpless!
[09:42] <ajmitch> hah
[09:42] <elkbuntu> i just didnt want to be electrocuted in the matrix of power cables
[09:43] <LaserJock> my gosh this package is rediculous
[09:43] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: haha
[09:43] <zakame> what pkg?
[09:43] <elkbuntu> ack, smells like fire here :(
[09:43] <elkbuntu> Fujitsu, meanie :(
[09:43] <Fujitsu> elkbuntu: Can't be as bad as here on Saturday morning, severely limited visibility!
[09:43] <LaserJock> I have to install python-all-dev and fortran just to do debuild -S
[09:44] <elkbuntu> Fujitsu, last thursday we were down to 100m vis, in an hour, it will be about the same
[09:44] <Fujitsu> Fun
[09:44] <elkbuntu> Fujitsu, and this burning smell is of more than just eucalypt :(
[09:44] <Fujitsu> :/
[09:44] <Sp4rKy> please, why a pbuilder update update in dapper whereas my ~/.pbuilderrc contains feisty
[09:44] <realist> We were 600m vis last Saturday :-/
[10:04] <ajmitch> somerville32: and you trust dh_make implicitly?
[10:04] <somerville32> ajmitch: This is my first package :/
[10:05] <ajmitch> ok
[10:06] <somerville32> ajmitch: The commands that pyNeighborhood uses smbmnt and smbumnt require superuser privs
[10:06] <Hobbsee> dholbach!!!
[10:07] <somerville32> Could I +s them or should I modify the .desktop to use gksudo?
[10:07] <dholbach> good morning
[10:07] <dholbach> hey Hobbsee
[10:08] <LaserJock> man, it really must be late :/
[10:08] <LaserJock> when the Germans show up I know
[10:09] <Gloubiboulga> hello MOTU world
[10:09] <Hobbsee> they're coming to take over the wold
[10:09] <Hobbsee> *world
[10:09] <Hobbsee> hey Gloubiboulga 
[10:09] <Gloubiboulga> hey Hobbsee :)
[10:09] <ajmitch> somerville32: please don't set them suid-root
[10:09] <somerville32> Gah
[10:09] <somerville32> I need sleep
[10:09] <somerville32> :(
[10:09] <ajmitch> morning daniel!
[10:09] <somerville32> ajmitch: hehe, k
[10:10] <dholbach> hey Andrew! hey Gloubiboulga! hey somerville32!
[10:10] <somerville32> :D
[10:10] <somerville32> Hi! :[
[10:10] <somerville32> *:] 
[10:11] <Lathiat> nice im just installing this machine
[10:11] <Lathiat> and the usb cdrom comes up as a "SCSI 1 (0,0,0) (sdd) - 2.2 TB USB 2.0 Storage Device"
[10:11] <Lathiat> i wish :/
[10:11] <LaserJock> that would be nice
[10:13] <LaserJock> hmm, I thought the motu-sru team approved the SRU when it was done in -proposed
[10:15] <somerville32> ajmitch: Ok, uploaded yet another attempt. However, you'll notice when you build it that ${python:Depends} isn't replaced.
[10:15] <ademan> hey has vil been around? I haven't heard from him in almost a week now...
[10:15] <somerville32> Maybe you could help me figure that out?
[10:16] <somerville32> dholbach: Are you any good at packaging python packages?
[10:16] <dholbach> somerville32: what are you trying to do?
[10:16] <dholbach> I packaged a few myself, yes
[10:17] <somerville32> dholbach: I'm trying to package my first package but I'm having trouble conforming to the new python policy.
[10:17] <dholbach> what's going wrong?
[10:18] <somerville32> {python:Depends} isn't being replaced in the control file
[10:18] <dholbach> you run dh_pycentral or dh_pysupport in debian/rules somewhere?
[10:18] <dholbach> (they should call dh_python nowadays)
[10:18] <somerville32> dh_python is old
[10:19] <dholbach> they serve different purposes - dh_python is not old
[10:19] <somerville32> Hmmm
[10:19] <somerville32> The man page says that it is deprecated
[10:20] <dholbach> ok ok, "# Here we're doing what dh_python used to do"
[10:20] <dholbach> you're right, I wasn't up to scratch
[10:20] <dholbach> do you have the package online somewhere?
[10:20] <somerville32> Yes, revu
[10:20] <dholbach> (I thought they'd still call it somewhere on their own)
[10:21] <dholbach> somerville32: will you give me the link?
[10:22] <somerville32> dholbach, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3746
[10:27] <dholbach> a few things: you're lacking a binary-arch target, you need to depend on gksu, also the path ./usr/lib/pyenighborhood/build.py looks wrong
[10:28] <dholbach> and you're patching the source, I'd rather fix it in debian/rules or in a patch in debian/patches
[10:30] <somerville32> Why do I need a binary-arch target?
[10:30] <somerville32> It is binary-indep
[10:31] <LaserJock> well, 1 SRU ready to go. I'm heading to bed
[10:31] <LaserJock> cya everybody
[10:31] <dholbach> "All of build, binary, binary-arch, binary-indep, and clean must be provided, even if they don't do anything for this package."
[10:33] <somerville32> Where do you see that patch?
[10:33] <somerville32> *path
[10:33] <dholbach> debian/install
[10:34] <somerville32> Can I just delete build.py since I've disabled compiling the python source?
[10:34] <dholbach> that's from upstream?
[10:34] <somerville32> Yes.
[10:34] <dholbach> I wouldn't do it
[10:34] <somerville32> Can I move the source into it's own directory?
[10:35] <dholbach> you'd either have to 1) change the .orig.tar.gz (which you shouldn't) or 2) carry around a patch that you have to update with every upstream release
[10:35] <dholbach> like where?
[10:36] <somerville32> under the root of the source package
[10:36] <somerville32> Actually, that would be a bad idea
[10:36] <somerville32> I would have to modify all the script
[10:36] <somerville32> *scripts
[10:37] <dholbach> I'm also not sure that python and python-support are build-depend-indep
[10:37] <dholbach> I think they're needed in the clean target
[10:37] <dholbach> but I'm not sure
[10:37] <dholbach> and lintian doesn't seem to mind
[10:37] <somerville32> dholbach: I could just put them in clean too
[10:38] <dholbach> somerville32: that's not what I meant... things that are used in the clean target need to be biuld-depends, not build-depends-indep
[10:39] <somerville32> dh_pysupport isn't used in clean
[10:39] <dholbach> ok
[10:41] <somerville32> So, beisdes those points, everything else looks good?
[10:42] <dholbach> run     lintian -i     on the .changes file
[10:43] <dholbach> it still has some points about it
[10:44] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[10:44] <dholbach> -i nformation! :-)
[10:44] <Fujitsu> I thought as much.
[10:46] <somerville32> The only thing lintian returned was: E: pyneighborhood_0.3-0ubuntu1_source.changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file feisty
[10:49] <somerville32> I'm going to bed
[10:50] <Hobbsee> night somerville32 
[10:53] <dholbach> run it on the *i386.changes
[10:53] <dholbach> oh, he's away
[11:01] <RAOF> Hey all.  I've made some moderately awful (but amd64 only) changes to the wine packaging to make it build a useful amd64 package.  Is the best next step to get a REVU account, file a bug and attach a debdiff, or what?
[11:03] <RAOF> (it's not obvious to me from the MOTU wiki pages what's preferred).
[11:06] <Hobbsee> grab a LP account, file a bug, attach a debdiff
[11:07] <RAOF> Thanks.
[11:13] <cypher1> is util-linux taken from upstream ?
[12:15] <CypherBIOS> ping Hobbsee
[12:21] <Hobbsee> CypherBIOS: heya
[12:22] <CypherBIOS> Hobbsee: hi :)
[12:23] <CypherBIOS> Hobbsee: please, don't forget my package, I want to know how I need to do now (I know, need much more, but what?) Can you review again, or point someone to do it?!
[12:24] <Hobbsee> what's the link to it?
[12:24] <CypherBIOS> Hobbsee: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3587
[12:24] <haypo> hi! i have to create a package of a Python program. Should I use cdbs, python-central, or something else?
[12:24] <CypherBIOS> Hobbsee: hehehe
[12:24] <haypo> I read that python-central is not in Ubuntu Dapper (and I'm using Dapper)
[12:24] <Hobbsee> looking
[12:25] <Hobbsee> haypo: you'll have to package it for feisty, the development version
[12:25] <Hobbsee> !packagagingguide
[12:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about packagagingguide - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:25] <Hobbsee> !packagingguide
[12:25] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[12:25] <Hobbsee> haypo: check ^ out
[12:28] <Hobbsee> CypherBIOS: section: gnome - is gnome a section in the debian maintainers guide about it?  i dont think so
[12:28] <Hobbsee> and is it really for gnome only?
[12:28] <CypherBIOS> Hobbsee: let me take a look
[12:30] <CypherBIOS> Hobbsee: I'll change it for System Administration section
[12:31] <CypherBIOS> Hobbsee: just like synaptic, that have similar functions
[12:32] <Lathiat> imbrandon: about?
[12:32] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: oh so it does exist?
[12:32] <Hobbsee> cool
[12:33] <Hobbsee> CypherBIOS: there you go
[12:33] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: how good are you with python based stuff?
[12:33] <Fujitsu> Not particularly.
[12:34] <Fujitsu> Coding yes, packaging no.
[12:34] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: more of an idea than me then - did you want to check it for python-foo?
[12:36] <CypherBIOS> Hobbsee: I confused about the number version (I'm the developer of the aptoncd, and this package will be for the first release -next week, probably- and the version will be 0.1, the program are not on debian yet, and I need to put -0ubuntu1 on version?)
[12:37] <Hobbsee> if the upstream version, is 0.1, then the ubuntu would be 0.1-0ubuntu1
[12:37] <Hobbsee> however, if this is really 0.09, a precursor to 0.1, then use 0.09-0ubuntu1
[12:38] <CypherBIOS> Hobbsee: right, I got it. thanks
[12:38] <Hobbsee> CypherBIOS: of course, 0.1-1 > 0.1, so you cant release 0.1-1 first
[12:39] <CypherBIOS> Hobbsee: so should be 0.1-0ubuntu1
[12:39] <dholbach> i'll assign all the motureviewers bugs to ubuntu-universe-sponsors - objections?
[12:40] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[12:40] <Hobbsee> CypherBIOS: yes
[12:40] <Hobbsee> dholbach: go for it.  just means more work for us :0
[12:40] <Fujitsu> dholbach: They should be subscribed, no?
[12:40] <dholbach> Fujitsu: ok, I can do that
[12:40] <Hobbsee> yes, subscribe us, dont assign
[12:40] <dholbach> Fujitsu: I just don't want to have them assigned to a team that has gone out of business
[12:40] <Fujitsu> Good idea.
[12:41] <CypherBIOS> Hobbsee: what is the roadmap since the package goes to the repository?
[12:41] <Hobbsee> sorry?
[12:42] <CypherBIOS> Hobbsee: when an package are "ready", how long time it need to wait to be on universe?
[12:42] <Hobbsee> after they get uploaded?  depends how quick the archive admins are
[12:43] <CypherBIOS> :)
[12:43] <Lathiat> 2x 3.2GHz Xeon, 2GB ram, 182M/s of root disk, this could work nice.
[12:44] <dholbach> somebody should check the wiki for occurences of 'motureviewers'
[12:44] <CypherBIOS> Hobbsee: is that my program that I've packaging are not released yet, and I just packaging and learning how to do it for now, and it should be uploaded only when I say "ok, it's ready for", and of course when the package are working very well
[12:46] <Hobbsee> CypherBIOS: fair enough.  it still needs 2 acks.
[12:46] <Hobbsee> dholbach: responding to the mail you sent
[12:46] <Hobbsee> btw
[12:47] <dholbach> super thanks
[12:47] <Hobbsee> dholbach: how many active MOTU's do we have at the moment?
[12:48] <Fujitsu> Not a whole lot :(
[12:48] <Hobbsee> didnt think so
[12:48] <dholbach> we should go through the 'ubuntu-dev' list and ask people for feedback
[12:48] <dholbach> if they don't reply, we should close their accounts
[12:48] <Fujitsu> THat's a very good idea, dholbach.
[12:48] <dholbach> that's something we should decide in the first motu council meeting
[12:49] <Fujitsu> Have the members of Council Grayskull been decided yet?
[12:50] <dholbach> no, the TB and CC still need to sign off the idea and then decide
[12:50] <raphink> dholbach: I still review from time to time
[12:50] <raphink> :)
[12:51] <dholbach> :-)
[12:51] <dholbach> *happy*
[12:51] <raphink> (just because I noticed I was deactivated)
[12:51] <dholbach> it's not 'you' being deactivated
[12:51] <dholbach> raphink: the team is just out of business as we have a different sponsoring process
[12:52] <raphink> oooh ok 
[12:52] <raphink> ic
[12:52] <dholbach> i'll write a mail shortly
[12:52] <raphink> ok
[12:56] <dholbach> done
[12:56] <engla> I wonder, are revu packages accepted now or are they deferred to closer to the UVF? I mean if things like toolchain and core libs (python etc) are still changing on feisty, it might be too early to incorporate new packages
[01:01] <Hobbsee> argh, dammit
[01:03] <Hobbsee> dholbach: replied.
[01:03] <Hobbsee> gah!!!  drat!!!
[01:05] <dholbach> thanks
[01:05] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: I would also love what?
[01:06] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: a shell on Lathiat's fast build machine
[01:06] <Hobbsee> dholbach: right.  sent another mail with the stuff i missed in the first one :P
[01:06] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: ah
[01:07] <StevenK> Hobbsee: What, mine isn't fast enough?
[01:07] <Hobbsee> StevenK: you gave an account to TheMuso?
[01:07] <StevenK> Not so much
[01:09] <TheMuso> I only use my machines here, and would rather not worry about it until I realy need them, which is not yet.
[01:10] <StevenK> TheMuso: Where's your amd64, powerpc and ia64 hiding?
[01:10] <TheMuso> StevenK: I have a powerpc here, all be it slow. Amd64/ia64/sparc are non-existant.
[01:11] <StevenK> hppa?
[01:12] <TheMuso> StevenK: You should.
[01:13] <StevenK> I'm missing a powerpc and ia64 from the supported arches list. My sparc and hppa are incredibly slow, though.
[01:15] <webben> Are there instructions anywhere for applying a diff.gz patch such as the one at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/58083/ to an apt-get source'd package before building it?
[01:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58083 in xorg-server "No keyboard previews" [Unknown,Fix released]  
[01:17] <sladen> webben: it is applied automatically when the source is unpacked
[01:17] <sladen> webben: the .orig (upstream tarball) is unpacked, then the diff (of Ubuntu/Debian changes) applied on top
[01:18] <webben> sladen, No. I don't want to apply the diff.gz that I apt-get source'd. I want to apply the patch in the bug report.
[01:18] <webben> sladen, I assume that somehow the dsc file has to be updated, no?
[01:20] <sladen> webben: correct, apply the patch from the bug report, modify  debian/changelog  (insert a new ubuntuX version number)
[01:20] <sladen> webben: then  debbuild
[01:21] <webben> zgrep +++ foobar.diff.gz applies the patch?
[01:21] <webben> as in https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/ps-scratch.html ?
[01:22] <cbx33> ping sladen 
[01:22] <cbx33> ping TheMuso 
[01:23] <TheMuso> cbx33: pong
[01:25] <webben> or does zgrep just look at the changes
[01:25] <raphink> webben: how so?
[01:26] <dholbach> Hobbsee: so I don't think it's problematic and something we should teach them when it comes to reviews
[01:26] <webben> raphink, well for instance it would be less confusing if they tacked best practice first (if you look at the page i just linked to ... it begins with a discussion of how not to do things.)
[01:27] <Hobbsee> dholbach: perhaps...
[01:27] <raphink> Laser_away: ping
[01:28] <Hobbsee> dholbach: also disturbing is that hopefulls are putting up packages, and then going "pbuilder?  what's that?" and not knowing about chroots either.  
[01:28] <Sp4rKy> hi there
[01:28] <Hobbsee> hey Sp4rKy 
[01:28] <Sp4rKy> heya Hobbsee 
[01:29] <dholbach> Hobbsee: that's not something related to reviewing
[01:29] <dholbach> Hobbsee: that's something they should do apart from that already
[01:29] <webben> raphink, And I guess I don't fully understand the distinction drawn in the structure of the document between Patching packages and Updating packages.
[01:29] <sladen> cbx33: yo
[01:30] <Hobbsee> dholbach: the automatic builds would pick that up
[01:30] <dholbach> Hobbsee: which ones?
[01:30] <Hobbsee> dholbach: there's a difference between "should" and "are" apparently
[01:30] <Hobbsee> dholbach: the "iv'e just created this in my own system"
[01:30] <cbx33> sladen: pm :p
[01:30] <cbx33> oh btw does your power supply work now ?
[01:31] <dholbach> Hobbsee: aha?!
[01:31] <dholbach> *confused*
[01:31] <StevenK> Wonderful. Katapult dies in QEventLoop.
[01:32] <effie_jayx> I am new here.. and I must say... this is fun to read... :D
[01:32] <sladen> cbx33: one of the joints worked, it turned out that most of the other one has disappeared/broken off.  I'll attack it agian another time
[01:32] <dholbach> Hobbsee: if you could follow up with that on the mailing list, that'd be great - I'm out for a walk and lunch and stuff now - see you later
[01:32] <Hobbsee> dholbach: i suspect it's a case of "if we make it as easy as possible to review, and automate as much as possible, then MOTU's will do more reviewing, and the problem solved".
[01:32] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[01:32] <dholbach> Hobbsee: I 100%ly agree
[01:32] <Hobbsee> dholbach: the summary:  people arent doing what's required - let's have a way to pick that up.
[01:32] <dholbach> yeah
[01:32] <cbx33> sladen: did you get a chance to sign my key ?
[01:32] <dholbach> see you :)
[01:32] <cbx33> I'm a useless MOTU still ;)
[01:32] <StevenK> Noooooooooooooo! There's no libqt3-mt-dbgsym
[01:32] <Hobbsee> and stop wasting the time of people who are there
[01:32] <Hobbsee> dholbach: ^
[01:32] <Hobbsee> dholbach: enjoy your lunch :)
[01:32] <dholbach> gracias
[01:33] <Hobbsee> 8!!!!
[01:33] <webben> raphink, or because it doesn't seem to have a straightforward explanation of the inter-relationship between the three components of a source package, such that i cant work out how to apply one bit to another bit
[01:33] <Hobbsee> which is completely unnacceptable, took ages, and should have had an automatic way of picking that up.
[01:33] <sladen> cbx33: see PM
[01:33] <webben> raphink, instead it has an explanation of how to generate the three bits
[01:33] <raphink> webben: can you report that to laserjock ?
[01:34] <raphink> webben: mantha [at]  ubuntu [dot]  com
[01:34] <raphink> please
[01:35] <webben> raphink, sure ... I'll try and put my thoughts in order and write something for him.
[01:35] <raphink> thank you :)
[01:35] <raphink> I'm sure he'll be happy to have feedback
[01:35] <raphink> :)
[01:35] <raphink> webben: have you tried to read the Debian packaging guide?
[01:37] <webben> raphink, I think I did try once.
[01:37] <webben> is it the same as Debian New Maintainers' Guide ?
[01:37] <raphink> the goal of the ubuntu packaging guide is really to make something easer than the DNMG
[01:38] <CypherBIOS> Hobbsee: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3748
[01:39] <CypherBIOS> Hobbsee: take a quick look :)
[01:41] <webben> hmm ... from the DNMG it looks like every diff.gz needs a dsc to be useful
[01:41] <webben> If someone else wants to re-create your package from scratch, they can easily do so using the above three files. The extraction procedure is trivial: just copy the three files somewhere else and run dpkg-source -x gentoo_0.9.12-1.dsc.
[01:41] <webben> http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-build.en.html#s-debuild
[01:41] <webben> but then I cant understand why this patch was distributed as a diff.gz by itself
[01:42] <Hobbsee> it's just a diff, compressed.  you can apply that as a regular patch
[01:43] <webben> Hobbsee, but what creates a new dsc?
[01:43] <Hobbsee> debuild -S
[01:44] <Hobbsee> as to why you need a .dsc if you want to create a binary, i'm not sur
[01:44] <cbx33> sladen, are you identifed? I'm not getting a pm?
[01:45] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Because it associates the .diff.gz to the .orig.tar.gz
[01:47] <Hobbsee> StevenK: yes, of course, but if you're building a binary...
[01:47] <Hobbsee> which i thought webben was
[01:48] <Lure> SteveK: do you have non-default locale (re katapult crash)?
[01:49] <Lure> StevenK: Tonio_ included a patch in edgy (updates afair) to fix crash for non-english users - maybe this is missing in feisty
[01:49] <StevenK> Lure: I'm running Edgy, and no I'm not.
[01:49] <StevenK> It doesn't crash, and I've sorted it out, it's due to focusing.
[01:50] <Lure> StevenK: ok
[01:53] <webben> hmm .... i must have applied the patch wrong
[01:53] <webben> because when i run debuild it a) tries to apply the original diff.gz from apt-get and b) fails
[01:54] <webben> was going into xorg-server-1.1 and running patch < ../xxorg-server_1.1.1-0ubuntu12.01.diff the wrong thing to do?
[01:58] <webben> how should a diff.gz patch be applied if not using patch ?
[02:00] <Hobbsee> webben: no, you did it right.  youv'e applied the patch, and you now want to build the binary
[02:01] <Hobbsee> why's it failing?
[02:01] <Hobbsee> what *are* you trying to do? 
[02:02] <webben> actually it seems to be failing because it needs to be run with fakeroot or something  (various gpg errors)
[02:02] <webben> but shouldnt it /not/ be using  xorg-server_1.1.1-0ubuntu12.dsc anyhow?
[02:03] <webben> Hobbsee, what Im trying to do is build an xorg-server deb package with the fix for the bug
[02:03] <Hobbsee> !info xorg-server feisty
[02:03] <ubotu> Package xorg-server does not exist in edgy
[02:03] <Hobbsee> webben: for edgy or feisty?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> ie, is the fix already included?
[02:03] <webben> edgy
[02:03] <webben> i thought
[02:03] <Hobbsee> oh right
[02:03] <Hobbsee> so you've got your edgy source?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> you've patched it with the .diff from the bug report?
[02:04] <Hobbsee> and now you just need to rebuild it?
[02:04] <webben> Hobbsee, that's the theory :)
[02:04] <Hobbsee> yep
[02:04] <Hobbsee> do you need the source, or can you just use the binary?
[02:05] <Hobbsee> and did you change the version number in debian/control?
[02:05] <Hobbsee> er, debian/changelog?
[02:05] <webben> Hobbsee, ah, no
[02:05] <webben> I didnt do that.
[02:05] <Hobbsee> good
[02:05] <webben> I shouldnt you mean?
[02:05] <Hobbsee> correct
[02:05] <Hobbsee> go into the source dir, then run debuild -rfakeroot
[02:06] <StevenK> Which requires all build dependancies, build-essential and fakeroot are installed
[02:06] <webben> got those :)
[02:07] <webben> "Applying patches...failed! (check stampdir/log/patch for details)"
[02:07] <webben> fatal error
[02:07] <StevenK> I daresay xserver-xorg is a very complicated package to start with.
[02:08] <StevenK> I know you're doing it so you can fix/confirm a fix for a bug, but still. :-)
[02:08] <webben> StevenK, I certainly didnt choose to do this as a learning exercise :). But my keyboard mappings are driving me slowly up the wall.
[02:09] <webben> the only thing in that file that looks like it might be an error is 'Hunk #Patch 021_fedora_revert_xkb_changes+gmk.patch does not exist'
[02:09] <webben> but that's in the middle of the file ... if it was an error wouldn't it be at the end?
[02:10] <webben> the file ends with "Applying patch 021_fedora_revert_xkb_changes+gmk.patch"
[02:14] <StevenK> Does debian/patches/021_fedora_revert_xkb_changes+gmk.patch exist?
[02:15] <webben> StevenK, nope
[02:16] <StevenK> debian/patches does actually contain files, right?
[02:16] <webben> yep
[02:16] <StevenK> How about debian/patches/00list ?
[02:16] <StevenK> (Or 000list)
[02:17] <webben> nope
[02:17] <webben> StevenK, neither of them
[02:17] <StevenK> It has to pick the list somehow.
[02:17] <StevenK> Can you throw ls -l debian/patches onto a pastebin?
[02:17] <webben> sure :)
[02:19] <webben> StevenK, http://ubuntu.pastebin.ca/276542
[02:21] <StevenK> Okay, what about the contents of debian/patches/series?
[02:24] <webben> StevenK, http://ubuntu.pastebin.ca/276544
[02:25] <StevenK> Hrm. Wierd.
[02:29] <crimsun> lfittl: no, they're not useless, so removing $(CFLAGS) would be suboptimal
[02:29] <webben> StevenK, "Hrm. Wierd." are like words of doom for an enterprise of this nature ;)
[02:32] <StevenK> Heh
[02:33] <geser> hmm, patch 021 is mentioned in http://librarian.launchpad.net/4946825/xorg-server_1.1.1-0ubuntu12.01.diff.gz
[02:33] <StevenK> So maybe your patch didn't apply correct.
[02:33] <StevenK> correctly
[02:37] <crimsun> geser: now that xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting is available in Feisty, it'd be a good idea to ask for the removal of xserver-xorg-video-intel from the archive
[02:41] <webben> StevenK, how would I know whether it applied correctly or not?
[02:41] <webben> StevenK, Or do put it another way, how could I try the same thing differently?
[02:43] <geser> crimsun: do you know what's the difference between xserver-xorg-video-intel and xserver-xorg-video-i810?
[02:43] <crimsun> yes, the former is an older git snapshot of what's provided by xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting
[02:44] <crimsun> the latter is the non-modesetting branch from svn
[02:45] <crimsun> I have much better usage (performance, stability) with xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting in feisty
[02:47] <Hobbsee> crimsun: what differences are there with it?
[02:48] <Hobbsee> blerg, i'll wait
[02:54] <crimsun> Hobbsee: the vt-switch crasher, while still reproducible, is much less frequent
[02:54] <cbx33> is the Alt+Tab d-i bug fixed yet ;)
[02:54] <crimsun> Hobbsee: (a number of locking fixes are in feisty's snapshot)
[02:54] <cbx33> that one still get's me ;)
[02:55] <Hobbsee> crimsun: right
[03:00] <geser> crimsun: are you going to file a bug for the removal of xserver-xorg-video-intel (you seem to know more about it than me)?
[03:03] <lifeless> siretart: what happened to motureviewers ?
[03:04] <crimsun> geser: yes, I mentioned it because you did the merge for xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting
[03:05] <siretart> lifeless: I'm not sure, there is currently some discussion on the motu mailing list about that
[03:06] <lifeless> oh, i see
[03:06] <lifeless> gnight all
[03:07] <zul> siretart: heh i thought i got kicked out
[03:10] <seaLne> hwat were those scripts called for easily making patches (creating tmp copy etc)?
[03:24] <seaLne> ah i was thinking of things like dsrc-new-patch
[03:51] <jbailey> dholbach: Around?
[04:23] <chantra> hi there
[04:23] <chantra> how can I work this around?
[04:23] <chantra> "Your diff file is very big because the Makefile.in was changed during autogen process"
[04:26] <chantra> any time I build the package, Makefile.in is going to be regenerated :s
[04:26] <chantra> therefore the diff is going to be huge
[04:26] <minghua> an existing package in archive?
[04:26] <chantra> is there a trick to avoid that
[04:26] <chantra> minghua: it is in edgy
[04:27] <zul> nnnng....must kill
[04:27] <chantra> but I'm updating it for feisty
[04:27] <minghua> chantra: what package?
[04:27] <chantra> subtitleeditor
[04:27] <chantra> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3728
[04:30] <minghua> chantra: subtitleeditor doesn't run autotools during build, so you shouldn't regenerate Makefile.in
[04:30] <minghua> I don't have time to look further now though, maybe later
[04:31] <chantra> minghua: i've removed autoge.sh from debian/rules
[04:31] <minghua> chantra: and you shouldn't using REVU for a package already in Debian and Ubuntu
[04:31] <chantra> hoppefully, this is going to sort it out :)
[04:31] <chantra> where then?
[04:32] <chantra> how can i submit it to multiverse?
[04:33] <chantra> minghua: removing autogen.sh from debian/rules sorted it out
[04:34] <minghua> paste a patch/debdiff as a bug
[04:34] <minghua> and ask a MOTU to review and sponsor the upload
[04:34] <chantra> in lauchpad then
[04:34] <minghua> yes
[04:34] <chantra> okie dokie
[04:35] <geser> chantra: file a bug, attach debdiff, subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors, wait
[04:35] <chantra> geser: like that to get a debdiff
[04:35] <chantra> debdiff xcdroast_0.98+0alpha15-1.1.dsc xcdroast_0.98+0alpha15-1.1ubuntu1.dsc | \ ubuntu.debdiff | less ubuntu.debdiff
[04:35] <shawarma> Hi, guys. I'm about to mark my first bug as "Fix released" after becoming a MOTU. Am I supposed to put anything in particular in the comment? Like the .changes file from the upload or something?
[04:37] <geser> chantra: debdiff old.dsc new.dsc > debdiff
[04:39] <minghua> chantra: I've added a note on REVU
[04:39] <chantra> okie cheers geser 
[04:39] <minghua> chantra: you may also want to look at the merge page I pointed out there
[04:40] <chantra> yep, justed checked it out
[04:40] <chantra> thanks a million for the link ;)
[04:47] <sistpoty> hi folks
[05:18] <joejaxx> are there logs of *-motu?
[05:19] <lionel_> joejaxx: IRC logs ?
[05:19] <joejaxx> yes
[05:19] <lionel_>  http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[05:20] <joejaxx> ok thanks :)
[05:20] <lionel> joejaxx: you're welcome
[05:20] <joejaxx> :)
[05:48] <chantra> minghua: still here?
[05:49] <bddebian> Heya gang
[05:52] <minghua> chantra: yes
[05:54] <chantra> minghua: shall I simply meerge the debian package to ubuntu
[05:56] <minghua> chantra: yes, that's what I think
[05:56] <chantra> :)
[05:56] <minghua> chantra: and is there any local changes?  a sync would be even better
[05:56] <chantra> gonna see if the patch I used is not required anymore
[06:05] <chantra> minghua: okie, patch is not required anymore but the diff.gz is real dirty :s
[06:11] <minghua> chantra: sorry, have to run.  just post what you have in the bug report, I'll look at it later
[06:34] <seaLne> what would be a version number equivalent to 1.0rc1-0ubuntu1 but that wouldn't get complaints due to the 1 in rc1?
[06:35] <Adri2000> seaLne: 1.0~rc1-0ubuntu1 I think
[06:36] <seaLne> ewww that made dch rename my directory
[06:37] <seaLne> nah ~ there didn't fix the error complaint
[06:45] <dholbach> herve just left the MOTUs :-/
[06:45] <dholbach> *cry*
[06:46] <bddebian> What??
[06:46] <dholbach> the MOTU team
[06:46] <somerville32> Why?! :(
[06:47] <dholbach> I guess he had not enough time
[06:47] <dholbach> 'The status of Herv Cauwelier membership on team "motu" (MOTU) was changed from Administrator to Deactivated.'
[06:47] <dholbach> I wanted to mail him anyway.
[06:50] <LaserJock> raphink: pong
[06:50] <raphink> haha
[06:50] <raphink> LaserJock: hi
[06:50] <raphink> someone had issues with the packaging guide earlier today
[06:50] <raphink> he said he would email you
[06:51] <Zic_> hi, anyone for testing my last package ? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3749 :)
[06:51] <Zic_> if somebody have the time to do :)
[06:54] <LaserJock> raphink: ok, I see it, interesting
[06:54] <somerville32> I do noticed an issue with the packaging guide
[06:54] <somerville32> The latest build from svn looks like it is missing parts (or did last night atleast)
[06:55] <LaserJock> yeah, we lost the main part
[06:55] <LaserJock> I gotta go see why it didn't build right (usually becuase the xml doesn't validate)
[06:56] <sistpoty> Zic_: config.guess is in the diff.gz, you should remove that in clean
[06:56] <sistpoty> Zic_: also you should remove the commented out debhelper commands from debian/rules
[06:57] <Sp4rKy> hy there
[06:57] <sistpoty> Zic_: why do you put changelog.sh in the .diff.gz? (it seems rather a script for producing a changelog entry from cvs than some documentation to me)
[06:57] <Sp4rKy> please, does a package can have an empty diff (ie, debian/ is in orig) ?
[06:57] <Zic_> sistpoty: thanks for your help, I know for dh_* commented in the debian/rules, I'm just waiting between the next upload :)
[06:58] <Sp4rKy> i think no , but if someone can make me sure
[06:58] <Zic_> hmm sistpoty I've forgot it .. :)
[06:58] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: like the diff.gz is 0KB ?
[06:58] <Zic_> changelog.sh is del from debian/docs :)
[06:58] <sistpoty> Zic_: I'm just building it, and have a further look... that just sprang to my mind from reading the .diff.gz ;)
[06:59] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock: indeed (in fact there is no diff.gz and the diff file is named *.diff :| )
[07:00] <sistpoty> Sp4rKy: not quite sure bout that one... that would be a native package then (which has its own drawbacks as well)
[07:00] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: well, that's not normal. If the debian/ is in the tarball it's a debian native package and should have only .tar.gz and .dsc files
[07:01] <Sp4rKy> k
[07:01] <azeem> native packages which are unrelated to Ubuntu or Debian are discouraged though, AFAIK
[07:01] <Zic_> sistpoty: ok, so I'm erasing the changelog.sh, dh_* commented in the debian/rules, and remove config.guess in the "clean command" of the rules wright ?
[07:01] <LaserJock> right, hi azeem :-)
[07:01] <azeem> hi LaserJock 
[07:02] <Zic_> sistpoty: anythings can I do ?
[07:02] <sistpoty> Zic_: right (but as written before, I'm still building it, so maybe more hints from me in a few minutes) ;)
[07:02] <Zic_> sistpoty: thanks for your help :)
[07:02] <sistpoty> Zic_: np
[07:03] <sistpoty> Zic_: another problem: it won't build E: Package libsdl-ttf1.2-dev has no installation candidate
[07:03] <sistpoty> Zic_: I guess you should use libsdl-ttf2.0-dev instead
[07:04] <Zic_> sistpoty: oops, I can't test my build's package, pbuilder (with build-essential) was broken in Feisty ...
[07:04] <bddebian> sistpoty: Heya.  If you happen to get bored at some point, would you mind looking at libparagui again?
[07:04] <sistpoty> Zic_: you could dist-upgrade one from edgy ;)
[07:04] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[07:05] <sistpoty> bddebian: btw, where did you get this package from? I've seen this in the debian new-queue, but couldn't find a place to obtain it
[07:05] <Zic_> sistpoty: the dist-upgrade had removed it, and the re-install was broken apparently ...
[07:05] <Zic_> a problem with gcc
[07:05] <sistpoty> Zic_: nice :(
[07:05] <Zic_> I published the problem in launchpad.net :)
[07:06] <Zic_> sistpoty: Hmm, so I will upload a next package of menareants, with all the correction who you say :)
[07:06] <sistpoty> Zic_: another thing: you should really split off the data (~33Mb) to a seperate arch:all package
[07:07] <Zic_> sistpoty: I think it, ok :)
[07:07] <Zic_> thanks :>
[07:07] <sistpoty> np ;)
[07:09] <Zic_> ok, I see it tomorrow, bye and thanks :)
[07:09] <sistpoty> Zic_: cya
[07:10] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock: sistpoty the package contains debian/ which have a lot of dh_make template informaton
[07:10] <Sp4rKy> so i don't think it's a debian package
[07:10] <bddebian> sistpoty: It's in Debian? Hmm.  I pulled it from http://www.paragui.org
[07:11] <sistpoty> bddebian: sitting in the new queue, so I doubt it will get get in anytime soon: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html
[07:11] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: what we mean is if the package is specific to Debian or Ubuntu (i.e. a metapackage) then it should be a native package
[07:11] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: otherwise it's best for it to not be
[07:12] <sistpoty> Sp4rKy: how about just trying to create this package with a 0b diff and see if it fails? of course you can and should contact upstream and ask if they could remove the debian directory from the tarball for the next release
[07:13] <Sp4rKy> i don't think thisis due to upstream, but to the packager
[07:14] <sistpoty> Sp4rKy: what package are you talking about actually?
[07:14] <LaserJock> sistpoty: he's running his own REVU system
[07:15] <LaserJock> so I imagine it's a package somebody uploaded
[07:15] <sistpoty> LaserJock: ah... 
[07:15] <LaserJock> I could be wrong though
[07:15] <Sp4rKy> sistpoty: a package of revu than i'm reviewing
[07:15] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock: you're wrong this time :)
[07:16] <sistpoty> Sp4rKy: have you checked, if the orig-tarball is the same as the one from upstream?
[07:16] <Sp4rKy> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3423
[07:16] <Sp4rKy> sistpoty: not yet
[07:16] <Sp4rKy> sistpoty: i'm doing :)
[07:16] <sistpoty> Sp4rKy: maybe this will shed some more light ;)
[07:17] <Sp4rKy> sistpoty: in fact i can't :)
[07:17] <Sp4rKy> there isn't the website adress in copyright
[07:17] <Sp4rKy> only templates :)
[07:19] <sistpoty> Sp4rKy: seems like that should get fixed first ;)
[07:19] <Sp4rKy> of course :)
[07:20] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: ah well, I guess wrongly ;-)
[07:22] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock: np
[07:22] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock: but indeed, my own revu works fine now :)
[07:22] <Sp4rKy> thx siretart & raphink :)
[07:23] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock: i've talk with raphink some hours ago
[07:23] <Sp4rKy> and it says me i can send him my reviewing comments, and he add them to REVU
[07:23] <Sp4rKy> he 's done it with 2 
[07:24] <Sp4rKy> can you do the same for the packages i've just checked ?
[07:24] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: ok
[07:25] <Sp4rKy> thx
[07:25] <sistpoty> bddebian: lintian complains about the package name of the library, should be libparagui-1.1-8 instead of libparagui1.1-8
[07:25] <sistpoty> bddebian: and the .so symlink should be part of the -dev package
[07:27] <bddebian> Hmm, I didn't get that locally.  Thanks sistpoty
[07:27] <sistpoty> bddebian: also it might be an idea, to update the current libparagui packages and transition moagg/asc now. From reading http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=316335 looks like the debian games team is also waiting for it
[07:27] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 316335 in libparagui1.0-dev "libparagui1.0: new version available" [Wishlist,Open]  
[07:28] <sistpoty> bddebian: but not sure about that one, it just *might* be worth to make this transition now, but that's up to you ;)
[07:28] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock: just sent an email to you
[07:32] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: it's not exactly wrong to have changes to the source in the diff
[07:32] <bddebian> sistpoty: I thought about that, but the 1.1 stuff is the "development" branch :-(
[07:33] <sistpoty> bddebian: well, but there are only 2 rdepends... but still your choice ;)
[07:33] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock: really ?
[07:33] <bddebian> sistpoty: :)
[07:34] <Sp4rKy> i thought all the change must be done in debian/ or with patches
[07:34] <Sp4rKy> not directly
[07:34] <luisbg> is k3d still giving problems in feisty?
[07:37] <sistpoty> btw.: what do you all think about holding a revu day RSN?
[07:37] <sistpoty> s.th. like this week?
[07:39] <LaserJock> maybe, we'v been kickin' butt lately but there's sure a lot more to do
[07:39] <LaserJock> *we've
[07:39] <LaserJock> I'd like to see the MOTU Council together and a MOTU Meeting soon
[07:40] <sistpoty> LaserJock: yes, same here
[07:40] <sistpoty> LaserJock: maybe would should just set up a date for a motu-meeting, and not wait for progress on the council right now
[07:42] <sistpoty> dholbach: what do you estimate how long it takes until the motu council will be established, and what do you think about doing a motu meeting RSN?
[07:42] <sistpoty> (sorry for pinging you while on -meeting ;)
[07:43] <dholbach> sistpoty: I can't promise anything especially with christmas and holidays coming on
[07:43] <dholbach> I will ping the CC and the TB soon about it again, very soon
[07:44] <sistpoty> dholbach: so what about holding a motu-meeting this or next week?
[07:44] <dholbach> as soon as I hear anything, I'll let y'all know
[07:44] <sistpoty> dholbach: yay, cool#
[07:44] <sistpoty> -#
[07:44] <dholbach> can you mail -motu about the meeting?
[07:44] <sistpoty> dholbach: sure, will do
[07:44] <dholbach> I have two days where I won't be able to make it
[07:44] <dholbach> 18th and 21st
[07:45] <dholbach> I'll follow up on the thread
[07:45] <sistpoty> LaserJock: preferred date/time? anyone else preferred date/time?
[07:46] <LaserJock> 20:00 UTC is generally a decent time
[07:46] <dholbach> heya proppy
[07:47] <sistpoty> hm... where is that calendar again, when -meeting is busy?
[07:48] <sistpoty> ah, got it
[07:49] <imbrandon> moins all
[07:49] <sistpoty> hi imbrandon
[07:49] <imbrandon> heya sistpoty 
[07:50] <psusi> o/
[07:51] <proppy> \o
[07:52] <zul> hey imbrandon 
[07:52] <imbrandon> heya zul
[07:52] <imbrandon> just got you email
[07:52] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:52] <zul> heh
[07:53] <somerville32> imbrandon: Did you get my e-mail?
[07:53] <ajmitch> morning
[07:53] <imbrandon> somerville32: yes 
[07:53] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch 
[07:53] <imbrandon> somerville32: about the account
[07:53] <LaserJock> imbrandon: hi
[07:53] <somerville32> :D
[07:53] <imbrandon> heya LaserJock wow everyone is on today 
[07:54] <ajmitch> dholbach: about the motu council, I thought it was only blocked on the CC/TB approving members & delegation?
[07:54] <imbrandon> yea i was gonna ask about the mout concil
[07:54] <dholbach> It was not discussed in the CC yet
[07:55] <imbrandon> what are we doing with that ? are we still nominating people? etc etc etc i know what we talked about at UDS but i thought there was some talk at a TB/CC meeting reciently
[07:55] <dholbach> there was in a TB meeting
[07:55] <ajmitch> there was a TB meeting recently
[07:55] <somerville32> Zarul: Did they already do you?
[07:55] <dholbach> i'll write to the TB and CC and let you know what the state is
[07:56] <imbrandon> cool
[07:57] <imbrandon> so do we have a group to put infront of the TB and get approval? or is that what the email wll be ?
[07:58] <zul> oh me me me ;)
[07:58] <ajmitch> I think any group membershpi is being blocked on the CC approval
[07:58] <ajmitch> yeah, we want zul ;)
[07:58] <ajmitch> *cough*
[07:58] <zul> :P i know where you live
[07:58] <zul> ...in theory
[07:58] <imbrandon> right i know that but i mean do we even have a list of canidates ? are we ( as MOTU's and core-devs supose to be nominating people ? )
[07:58] <imbrandon> etc
[07:58] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:59] <ajmitch> nope
[07:59] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[07:59] <ajmitch> or there may be a top secret list somewhere
[07:59] <ajmitch> like in dholbach's skull
[08:00] <imbrandon> hehehe
[08:00] <LaserJock> nooooooo!
[08:00] <sistpoty> dholbach nominated me recently in secret, I guess I shouldn't tell you this :P
[08:00] <imbrandon> sistpoty: :)
[08:01] <dholbach> I asked sistpoty if he could imagine to be on the council
[08:01] <dholbach> I was asked to ask a few people
[08:01] <sistpoty> but dholbach didn't say a word about his secret plan for world domination yet ;)
[08:01] <imbrandon> cool, i was / am just curious :)
[08:01] <ajmitch> right
[08:01] <zul> ajmitch: the motu council is like the free masons you just dont know
[08:01] <ajmitch> zul: yeah, we'll find out when it's done :)
[08:02] <dholbach> I only know that the CC and TB will have the final word, because they delegate their powers - everything else I don't know either yet
[08:03] <dholbach> freem...?
[08:04] <ajmitch> never mind :)
[08:04] <zul> dholbach: free masons supposedly secret society that rule the world
[08:04] <dholbach> ahhhhh
[08:04] <dholbach> you learn something new every day
[08:04] <imbrandon> heh
[08:04] <proppy> zul: is that the thing where everyone tie everyone else shirt in the back ?
[08:05] <proppy> 
[08:05] <proppy> i386 build of poker-network 1.0.32-1 in ubuntu feisty RELEASE Status: 	Chroot problem
[08:05] <proppy> down
[08:05] <proppy> damn :(
[08:05] <zul> dholbach: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_masons
[08:05] <dholbach> zul: gracias
[08:05] <zul> np
[08:06] <zul> ..back to stupid ldap
[08:06] <LaserJock> zul: how are we going to work the secret handshakes over IRC though?
[08:06] <proppy> where should i report a chroot problem on the buildd ?
[08:06] <proppy> (infinity ?)
[08:06] <zul> LaserJock: uhhh...gif animations?
[08:07] <LaserJock> ohhh, smart
[08:07] <imbrandon> lol
[08:07] <dholbach> oh he... it's the same in German too, I just didn't do the 'translation', when I read it :)
[08:09] <proppy> http://librarian.launchpad.net/5372767/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-i386.poker-network_1.0.32-1_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz
[08:09] <proppy> weird
[08:10] <proppy> The following packages will be REMOVED: apt* build-essential*
[08:10] <dholbach> hahahaha :)
[08:10] <somerville32> 0_o
[08:10] <geser> proppy: infinity is on vacation
[08:11] <dholbach> you can still ask for a retry in #ubuntu-devel
[08:11] <proppy> geser: infinity Adam Conrad ?
[08:11] <geser> yes
[08:12] <proppy> geser: oh ok, i read his mail yesterday
[08:13] <proppy> thx
[08:15] <sistpoty> btw.: this is so strange, I had a really funny bug with konsole (it would always start to hang after a few minutes)... I even have a backtrace
[08:15] <sistpoty> today I found out, that may keyboard was the reason why... seems like it's broken
[08:16] <LaserJock> heh
[08:16] <sistpoty> yehaa... new keyboard and no more need for xterm (with its tiny font) :)
[08:16] <dholbach> there's one kernel message indicating a "wonky keyboard cable" - a friend of mine really had that problem in the end - he replaced the keyboard cable and it was all good :)
[08:17] <sistpoty> dholbach: I doubt it was the cable... (and I also didn't see the dmesg)... I guess it was rather more the wheat bear *g*
[08:17] <sistpoty> s/bear/beer/
[08:17] <dholbach> hahaha
[08:18] <dholbach> probably :)
[08:19] <ajmitch> mid-jan?
[08:19] <zul> probably
[08:19] <somerville32> It should be bi weekly :/
[08:19] <ajmitch> somerville32: it's a bit hard at this time of year
[08:19] <somerville32> tri weekly? :] 
[08:19] <imbrandon> bi-weekly with big gaps this time of year
[08:19] <imbrandon> :)
[08:20] <somerville32> hehe
[08:20] <somerville32> :] 
[08:20] <sistpoty> ajmitch: I guess much sooner due to the FC issue today, so I haven't followed the meeting since an hour any longer
[08:20] <sistpoty> s/so/though/
[08:20] <siretart> heyho sistpoty 
[08:20] <ajmitch> yeah, just reading through all the drama
[08:20] <ajmitch> hey siretart 
[08:20] <imbrandon> FC issue?
[08:20] <ajmitch> forums council
[08:20] <sistpoty> hi siretart
[08:20] <imbrandon> ahh
[08:20] <imbrandon> heya siretart 
[08:20] <sistpoty> siretart: handed in your thesis?
[08:23] <siretart> sistpoty: yes, finally. on monday :)
[08:23] <sistpoty> siretart: cool, congrats!
[08:23] <ajmitch> well done siretart :)
[08:23] <siretart> now I'm looking at over hundred bugmails :)
[08:23] <sistpoty> *g*
[08:23] <siretart> hey imbrandon. hi ajmitch :)
[08:23] <siretart> omg
[08:23] <siretart> 240
[08:30] <imbrandon> congrats somerville32 
[08:30] <somerville32> Thanks! :)
[08:31] <sistpoty> yay, congrats somerville32
[08:40] <imbrandon> hrm
[08:40] <ajmitch> hm?
[08:40] <imbrandon> is there a time limit on shellscripts run from cron or something ?
[08:40] <ademan> hey vil, hows it going?  I assume you've been busy, but if there's anything I can do to help I'm happy to do it.  Well, anything within my league, which nothing may be, but I'll be perfectly willing to try.
[08:40] <imbrandon> if i run the script manualy its all good, but if i run it from cron it dies 1/2 way through
[08:40] <imbrandon> ajmitch: ^
[08:41] <ajmitch> imbrandon: should be no time limit that I know of
[08:41] <imbrandon> hum ok, i'll pipe the output to a log and see if i can figure something else out
[08:42] <vil> ademan: hey!
[08:42] <vil> ademan: actually i have a job for you
[08:42] <ademan> sweet, I'm happy to help
[08:43] <vil> ademan: test fresh eclipse-cdt-3.1.1
[08:43] <ademan> you mean you have it packaged? geeze, that was fast, and of course I'm more than happy to do that :-)
[08:43] <vil> ademan: if i finish it tonight, i will paste it somewhere
[08:44] <ademan> vil: sure, if you email me the link I'll get to it, I'm actually on my way out
[08:44] <vil> was not so bad as i spotted that fedora already has it
[08:44] <ademan> but i wanted to see if you were about before i left
[08:45] <vil> ok, i have your mail.
[08:46] <ademan> alright good, thanks, i think i gotta get going, but i'm more than happy to help, and test too:-)
[08:46] <ademan> by the way good work with this thing, i couldn't evne get past a pbuilder build
[08:47] <ademan> but yeah I gotta go now, thanks so much for working on it, and I'll test it as soon as I get your email
[08:50] <Sp4rKy> tkx LaserJock 
[09:07] <guibis> ping doko
[09:11] <guibis> doko hands up !:-)
[09:15] <crippledcanary> I have some errors in creating a feisty pbuilder environment.  libstdc++6: Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-22) but 1:4.1.1-21ubuntu1 is installed
[09:15] <crippledcanary> Is there a way to pass on -f to apt-get when using pbuilder create
[09:16] <sistpoty> cya folks
[09:16] <ajmitch> bye sistpoty 
[09:16] <imbrandon> later sistpoty 
[09:16] <ajmitch> we already have prince holbach
[09:17] <imbrandon> heh
[09:17] <imbrandon> crippledcanary: feisty probably isnt debootstrapable atm, you might have to make an edgy pbuilder and upgrade it
[09:18] <crippledcanary> tried that also but then it complains about having to remove apt and some other packages.
[09:18] <imbrandon> yes you will have to do some dirty stuff, working with the latest development often isnt "clean"
[09:19] <crippledcanary> I'm fine with dirt as long as I know how to get "dirty"
[09:19] <imbrandon> :)
[09:19] <imbrandon> then let it do the upgrade :)
[09:19] <crippledcanary> Shure ... I have a edgy pbuilder environment ready, what do do?
[09:20] <imbrandon> there is a apt option is should tell you about when trying to do it, like force loop or something
[09:20] <imbrandon> pbuilder-edgy login --save-after-login , change the sources.list in there
[09:20] <imbrandon> then change the /path/to/pbuilder/apt.conf.d/sources.list
[09:20] <imbrandon> both to feisty
[09:21] <imbrandon> the pbuilder-edgy -> pbuilder-feisty
[09:21] <imbrandon> then pbuilder-feisty update
[09:21] <imbrandon> thats the general overview
[09:21] <crippledcanary> Ok. whil give it a try.
[09:21] <imbrandon> there /will/ be hickups in there but all cant be explained from the get go
[09:21] <imbrandon> we can try to help when the hickup hits :)
[09:22] <vil> dholbach: still there?
[09:27] <imbrandon> ajmitch: got a sec
[09:27] <tsmithe> hi all
[09:27] <imbrandon> heya tsmithe 
[09:27] <ajmitch> imbrandon: yeah, sort of
[09:27] <tsmithe> hi imbrandon :)
[09:27] <imbrandon> ok see
[09:27] <imbrandon> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36690/
[09:27] <imbrandon> and
[09:27] <imbrandon> http://voyager.imbrandon.com/mirror/ubuntu/iso/dvd/packageset/
[09:28] <imbrandon> wtf am i missing
[09:28] <imbrandon> the iso's arent showing up but the .sh are
[09:29] <ajmitch> funny
[09:29] <ajmitch> some apache configuration?
[09:29] <ajmitch> .htaccess ?
[09:30] <tsmithe> ...hmm...
[09:30] <tsmithe> i'm sure someone here will know (though it's not really packaging related): how can i get a list of installed packages from a certain repository?
[09:30] <imbrandon> hrm no .htaccess
[09:30] <imbrandon> and normal apache conf
[09:30] <ajmitch> what apache version?
[09:30] <imbrandon> 2
[09:30] <ajmitch> 2.0.x?
[09:30] <ajmitch> it may skip files over 2GB
[09:31] <imbrandon> Apache/2.0.55 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.1.6 Server at voyager.imbrandon.com Port 80
[09:31] <imbrandon> ohhh no way, that sucks
[09:31] <ajmitch> I don't know how apache in our repositories is configured
[09:31] <imbrandon> this is edgy if that matters as to what your testing
[09:32] <ajmitch> yeah feisty has the same apache
[09:32] <imbrandon> is that in the apache2.conf ?
[09:32] <imbrandon> or httpd.conf
[09:32] <imbrandon> as an option 
[09:32] <ajmitch> apache2.conf
[09:32] <ajmitch> I don't know if it's an option
[09:33] <imbrandon> compiletime only ? wow that would suck, i dont wanna roll my own apache
[09:33] <imbrandon> hrm
[09:33] <ajmitch> 5GB now
[09:33] <imbrandon> strange
[09:33] <ajmitch> still shows
[09:34] <imbrandon> i've only seen this with perm problems
[09:34] <imbrandon> but as you see they are all 644
[09:34] <imbrandon> even the shell scripts
[09:34] <ajmitch> yeah
[09:34] <ajmitch> odd
[09:35] <imbrandon> hrm yea
[09:35] <imbrandon> i just touched ajmitch.txt
[09:35] <crippledcanary> imbrandon: I'm now getting this....   xkb-data zlib1g
[09:35] <crippledcanary> WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed.
[09:35] <crippledcanary> This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing!
[09:35] <crippledcanary>   apt libstdc++6 (due to apt)
[09:35] <crippledcanary> 121 upgraded, 4 newly installed, 13 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[09:35] <crippledcanary> Need to get 48.3MB of archives.
[09:35] <crippledcanary> After unpacking 26.0MB disk space will be freed.
[09:35] <crippledcanary> You are about to do something potentially harmful.
[09:35] <crippledcanary> To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!'
[09:35] <crippledcanary>  ?]  Abort.
[09:35] <imbrandon> whoa use pastebin from now on please :)
[09:35] <imbrandon> ummm
[09:35] <crippledcanary> sorry for the big message...
[09:36] <imbrandon> yes do as i say
[09:36] <ajmitch> yeah, it's a problem with feisty at the moment
[09:36] <ajmitch> a bit annoying
[09:36] <crippledcanary> Should i do a login and do apt-get dist-upgrade -f
[09:36] <ajmitch> breaking builds all over the place on launchpad
[09:36] <imbrandon> crippledcanary: yes any way you can
[09:36] <imbrandon> crimsun: rember its only a chroot , you can break it and remake it
[09:37] <imbrandon> err crippledcanary 
[09:37] <imbrandon> corry crimsun 
[09:37] <imbrandon> sorry*
[09:37] <imbrandon> damn keyboard
[09:37] <plugwash> losing apt isn't exactly fatal anyway, you can always download and isntall packages manuaully using dpkg
[09:37] <crippledcanary> you could use crippled or canary if you like.
[09:38] <imbrandon> i use tab completition i just did cri<tab> heh
[09:38] <raphink> losing dpkg is much funnier 
[09:38] <plugwash> i'm sure its fixable though ;)
[09:38] <raphink> it sure is
[09:38] <imbrandon> just rember to --save-after-login if you login to the pbulder otherwise it will wipe the changes when you logout
[09:38] <crippledcanary> I'm past the Yes, do as I say! part now... let's see how it goes.
[09:39] <crippledcanary> yes --save-after-login enabled :)
[09:39] <ajmitch> yeah, I've done manual upgrades where glibc had ABI breakage, *every* package had to be recompiled
[09:39] <psusi> you can use ar and tar to extract the .deb, and copy the binaries to the correct location ;)
[09:39] <ajmitch> maintainer scripts & the dpkg db are another problem
[09:39] <imbrandon> wow that would be nuts
[09:39] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I was running the hurd, of course it was nuts
[09:40] <plugwash> ajmitch my soloution to broken maintainer scripts is just to rm them
[09:40] <imbrandon> hrm this apache thing has me baffled
[09:40] <ajmitch> imbrandon: and I was testing the 'hard' upgrade path for someone
[09:40] <psusi> yea... easier to boot from a livecd and reinstall dpkg/apt that way ;)
[09:40] <imbrandon> ajmitch: heh
[09:41] <plugwash> personally i dislike dist-upgrade
[09:42] <ajmitch> damn, both sync requests actually came through this time
[09:42] <plugwash> sometimes it tries to remove things that you don't wan't it to remove, the worst bit is you can't simply say "don't remove this" you have to fall back to using upgrade and finishing off by hand
[09:43] <pirast> hi!
[09:43] <ajmitch> plugwash: I use aptitude dist-upgrade
[09:43] <ajmitch> and aptitude hold
[09:43] <pirast> in klogic, the changelog says ".desktop file an icon move and modification to meet specs". are there any new specs on desktop files? afaik, the applications need a ,desktop file, is that right?
[09:44] <plugwash> hmm is subversion universe?
[09:44] <ajmitch> no, svn is in main
[09:44] <vil> dholbach: ping
[09:45] <plugwash> then i think i've just found a bug
[09:45] <crippledcanary> I know there was issues when using dist-upgrade when upgrading to edgy. (I had a some of them) Would that have been helped with aptitude dist-upgrade
[09:45] <LaserJock> pirast: they were probably moved not removed
[09:45] <plugwash> svn seems to depend on libapr1
[09:45] <plugwash> which seems to be in universe
[09:45] <psusi> libapr shouldnt be universe
[09:45] <psusi> that's part of apache
[09:46] <ajmitch> yay
[09:46] <pirast> LaserJock, i'm just wondering because klogic only contains a menu file and not a .desktop one..
[09:46] <pirast> shall i add it?
[09:46] <LaserJock> pirast: not even in the source?
[09:46] <ajmitch> s/synd/sync/
[09:46] <LaserJock> I think we should just promote Universe to Main and be done with it ;-)
[09:46] <pirast> LaserJock, argh, wait :-)
[09:47] <pirast> LaserJock, there's one but it is not being installed correctly..
[09:47] <ajmitch> plugwash: it appears to depend on libapr0
[09:47] <ajmitch> plugwash: are you sure you're looking at feisty's subversion, and not sid's?
[09:47] <pirast> thanks
[09:47] <plugwash> ajmitch ahh that explains it
[09:48] <ajmitch> yeah, it'll be cleared up with apache & subversion merges, and some package promotions to main
[09:49] <plugwash> sorry for reporting a nonexistant issue
[09:51] <cypher1> is not opera available in edgy-commercial repository ?
[09:52] <LaserJock> is there anything in edgy-commercial?
[09:52] <plugwash> btw the fiesty apt issue seems to be caused by an out of date libgcc1
[09:53] <cypher1> LaserJock, apt-get update did not report any error so i thought there may be something
[09:53] <cypher1> can i install opera from dapper-commercial onto an edgy machine ?
[09:53] <plugwash> this means if you let it go through with the dist-upgrade and remove apt you are going to have trouble getting apt installed again ;)
[09:53] <LaserJock> cypher1: yeah
[09:54] <cypher1> LaserJock, ok cool FF2.0 crashes always for me
[09:54] <dholbach> vil: pong
[09:55] <vil> dholbach: @ubuntu mail doesn't seem to work. however, that's not what i am after
[09:56] <dholbach> vil: you can ask on #launchpad about that - they'll explain what you've got to do
[09:56] <LaserJock> vil: heh, you are alive, ademan keeps asking where you are :-)
[09:56] <vil> dholbach: how can one get that shiny people.ubuntu.com/~ space?
[09:56] <imbrandon> work at canonical
[09:56] <imbrandon> heh
[09:56] <dholbach> vil: I'm sorry to say, but that's something only canonical employees have :-/
[09:57] <dholbach> I think there was a spec about having something like that
[09:57] <dholbach> but I don't recall it's name
[09:57] <vil> nevermind
[09:57] <vil> well is there any other place where can i put a package for ademan? (17MB)
[09:57] <cypher1> i have one enhancement for apt-get
[09:58] <dholbach> vil: you could either upload it to revu or store it in bzr in launchpad - those are the only 'official' things I can offer you
[09:58] <imbrandon> vil: i can give you a shell to access http://buntudot.org/people/~vil
[09:58] <imbrandon> but thats not "official" heh
[09:58] <cypher1> apt-get should have the capability to download packages from repositories across multiple sessions
[09:59] <crimsun> ooh, who's handing out random shiny shell access?
[09:59] <ajmitch> crimsun: imbrandon is!
[09:59] <ajmitch> well
[09:59] <ajmitch> maybe :)
[09:59] <imbrandon> crimsun: hehe not that you can really do much with its on a shared webhost :)
[09:59] <vil> i would prefer the bzr way, but i thought that it's for sources, patches... not for .debs
[09:59] <imbrandon> buntudot.org is 
[09:59] <somerville32> crimsun: I got approved for membership today :) Thanks for all your help so far. 
[09:59] <crimsun> somerville32: congrats!
[09:59] <cypher1> sorry wrong window
[10:00] <imbrandon> heya Fujitsu 
[10:00] <dholbach> ok fellas - I'm off for tonight
[10:00] <dholbach> see you tomorrow
[10:00] <imbrandon> later dholbach 
[10:01] <Fujitsu> Hi imbrandon.
[10:01] <Fujitsu> Bye dholbach.
[10:01] <vil> see you
[10:01] <crimsun> bye daniel
[10:01] <LaserJock> cya dholbach 
[10:01] <Adri2000> crimsun: do you have some time for an upload? updated merge of blobwars, the bug I reported in debian about the .desktop file is fixed
[10:01] <imbrandon> ajmitch: did you say the one in feisty does do >2GB ?
[10:01] <imbrandon> but its the same version ?
[10:01] <crimsun> Adri2000: LP #?
[10:01] <tenshu> if the app i'm packaging is under the artistic licence what should paste in debain/copyright, the entire licence text?
[10:02] <ajmitch> imbrandon: it may be because I'm on amd64
[10:02] <ajmitch> I haven't tested on the laptop
[10:02] <LaserJock> ajmitch: thanks for the bug emails :-)
[10:02] <imbrandon> possible
[10:02] <ajmitch> LaserJock: zope-zms?
[10:02] <Adri2000> crimsun: I didn't want to file another bug for that... :-/ it's just one patch dropped, and one line removed in the ubuntu remaining changes
[10:02] <ajmitch> 521 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 69 not upgraded.
[10:02] <ajmitch> Need to get 112MB/551MB of archives. After unpacking 56.1MB will be used.
[10:02] <ajmitch> that's the state of the laptop at the moment :)
[10:02] <LaserJock> tenshu: yes
[10:02] <dholbach> *HUGS*
[10:03] <LaserJock> ajmitch: yep
[10:03] <imbrandon> hehe sounds about like my desktop
[10:03] <ajmitch> too late!
[10:03] <tenshu> thanks LaserJock
[10:03] <crimsun> Adri2000: please file a bug
[10:03] <Adri2000> ok...
[10:04] <imbrandon> 74 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 15 to remove and 5 not upgraded.
[10:04] <imbrandon> 1 not fully installed or removed.
[10:04] <imbrandon> Need to get 136MB of archives.
[10:04] <imbrandon> After unpacking 29.1MB disk space will be freed.
[10:04] <imbrandon> ajmitch: ^6 the state of my desktop
[10:06] <ajmitch> imbrandon: confirmed, it disappears once the file is over 2GB on the laptop
[10:06] <imbrandon> crap
[10:06] <ajmitch> 2684354560 bytes (2.7 GB) copied, 91.1713 seconds, 29.4 MB/s
[10:06] <ajmitch> yay for laptop disks!
[10:06] <imbrandon> lol
[10:06] <Adri2000> crimsun: bug 75523 of course it's the debdiff from 1.05-4
[10:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75523 in blobwars "[Merge]  blobwars 1.05-4ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75523
[10:07] <crimsun> Adri2000: ok, I'll look at it in 10 mins after I reboot
[10:07] <ajmitch> imbrandon: so stick your files on an amd64 & you should be fine :)
[10:07] <imbrandon> heh
[10:07] <imbrandon> not an option at the moment
[10:07] <Adri2000> crimsun: thanks
[10:07] <imbrandon> hrm
[10:07] <imbrandon> i wonder what the issue is and if its fixed in a newer apache
[10:08] <ajmitch> yep
[10:08] <ajmitch> in apache2.2
[10:08] <imbrandon> is that in the repos yet?
[10:08] <ajmitch> it's a deeply seated issue with LFS
[10:08] <imbrandon> even feisty
[10:08] <ajmitch> not yet
[10:08] <ajmitch> apparantly pitti/infinity wanted to hold off on the merge, for some reason
[10:09] <imbrandon> hrm /me wonders if i should take the task on compiling it himself
[10:09] <vil> imbrandon: let's make a deal... is that shiny still available?
[10:09] <imbrandon> vil: sure, give me a few minutes to set it up
[10:09] <vil> imbrandon: cool
[10:09] <imbrandon> is your public ssh key on LP ?
[10:10] <vil> yes
[10:10] <imbrandon> k
[10:10] <imbrandon> whats your LP id ?
[10:10] <vil> vil
[10:11] <imbrandon> heh ok
[10:11] <somerville32> imbrandon: poke
[10:12] <imbrandon> somerville32: one sec
[10:12] <Lutin> hay
[10:12] <Lutin> is there a way to sign a lot of packages without having to enter your passphrase endlessly ?
[10:13] <Fujitsu> Lutin: gpg-agent, or seahorse-agent.
[10:14] <Lutin> Fujitsu: how do i use it ?
[10:14] <Fujitsu> I think you just run either of them.
[10:14] <Fujitsu> Then use GPG/debsign as normal.
[10:15] <geser> you have to tell gpg to use the gpg-agent
[10:15] <somerville32> Lutin: Don't have a passphrase on it? :P
[10:15] <Lutin> somerville32: lol
[10:15] <Lutin> geser: and how do I tell gpg to use it ?
[10:16] <somerville32> There is an excellent tuorial for GPG on the wiki
[10:16] <geser> gpg --use-agent or put "use-agent" in ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf
[10:17] <geser> when you install gnupg-agent it will put a file in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ and the agent will be available after the next login
[10:17] <geser> or you set the necessary env variables in your current session
[10:18] <Lutin> ok, thanks a lot geser
[10:18] <Lutin> trying now :)
[10:18] <imbrandon> ok vil ping
[10:20] <vil> imbrandon: ssh vil@buntudot.org    asks me a password
[10:20] <imbrandon> "ssh ssh lapacek@buntudot.org" and test it out, anything in ~/public will be visable in http://www.buntudot.org/people/~vil
[10:20] <imbrandon> vil was taken for a username
[10:20] <imbrandon> :)
[10:20] <vil> ahhh
[10:20] <imbrandon> s/ssh\ //
[10:21] <imbrandon> you can remove that .txt file, i just put it there to test and make sure the config worked
[10:21] <imbrandon> somerville32: pong
[10:22] <Lutin> geser: when using debsign, I get that message : gpg: problem with the agent - disabling agent use. do you know what's wrong ?
[10:22] <vil> imbrandon: still asks me for the password, regardless if i use either lapacek or vil
[10:23] <imbrandon> hrm one sec
[10:24] <geser> Lutin: no, sorry
[10:24] <geser> Lutin: did you try to sign a file with gpg (and agent)?
[10:25] <vil> imbrandon: works now, thanks very much
[10:25] <imbrandon> np
[10:25] <imbrandon> there is a 5gb limit just fyi
[10:26] <imbrandon> no warez or such or i'll delete it without warning :) etc etc etc
[10:26] <imbrandon> but other than that go for it
[10:26] <Lutin> geser : gpg --sign --use-agent *dsc > gpg: problem with the agent - disabling agent use
[10:27] <Lutin> brb
[10:27] <Lutin> geser: any idea ?
[10:29] <geser> Lutin: is the agent running?
[10:29] <geser> is GPG_AGENT_INFO set?
[10:30] <Lutin> geser: yes
[10:31] <geser> try adding -v or -vv to gpg
[10:31] <geser> to make it more verbose
[10:32] <Lutin> ok
[10:33] <Lutin> geser: still not more infos
[10:34] <somerville32> imbrandon: Any updates for shell account to build on?
[10:34] <siretart> did anyone have a look at bzr-builbdeb?
[10:35] <imbrandon> somerville32: i'm actualy working on them as we speak
[10:35] <somerville32> Thanks a bunch :] 
[10:42] <Lutin> geser: no clues ?
[10:42] <geser> sorry no
[10:42] <geser> I've no problems with gpg-agent
[10:45] <Lutin> geser>do you have a config file for gpg-agent, or some particular settings in gpg.conf ?
[10:45] <ryanakca> anybody have an example package for packaging cdbs + qmake-qt4 ?
[10:46] <geser> Lutin: nothing special
[10:47] <geser> I'm also using pinentry-gtk
[10:48] <siretart> hmmm.. bzr-builddeb seems to work
[10:50] <Lutin> geser>do you have a howto configure that ?
[10:50] <geser> I just installed it
[10:52] <Lutin> geser: and how do you use it ?
[10:52] <geser> gpg through gpg-agent uses it to ask my for my passphase
[10:53] <geser> or my pin for my openpgp card
[10:55] <Lutin> geser: weird ... here the pinentry window crashes
[10:58] <Lutin> geser: yay ! that worked
[10:58] <Lutin> I don't know why, but I had to run gpg -vvv to have it working ... weird
[10:59] <Lutin> thanks a lot
[10:59] <geser> that's really weird
[11:02] <Lutin> geser: you just saved me from the tennis-elbow ... signing too many packages in a row hurts :)
[11:02] <crimsun> nixternal: please don't set the assigned source package to alsa-driver unless you know for a fact that alsa-source was used in the compilation. Use linux-source-2.6.foo instead.
[11:02] <crimsun> nixternal: When you use linux-source-2.6.foo, feel free to subscribe ubuntu-audio, too.
[11:03] <nixternal> roger
[11:04] <nixternal> want a dorito?
[11:04] <crimsun> no. I'll just reassign random bugs to kubuntu, though.
[11:04] <nixternal> ;p
[11:05] <nixternal> why assign random bugs to Kubuntu? because Ubuntu gets way to many? jealous? and why would you do that, you said you despised GNOME last week and became a KDE/Qt4 developer full time
[11:06] <ryanakca> nixternal: lol
[11:06] <crimsun> I redefected back to gnome.
[11:07] <somerville32> Come back to Xfce4/GTK2+ :D
[11:07] <ryanakca> why do I get these errors when pbuilding a package that uses kde.mk in rules: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36713/
[11:07] <nixternal> im going to be doing my version of 30 days on FX, but instead I will be living off of GNOME for 30 days, and GNOME only
[11:08] <somerville32> :D
[11:08] <ryanakca> nixternal: what kind of coffin do you want? maple sound good?
[11:08] <crimsun> somerville32: I use all the environments (audio bugs are relevant everywhere)
[11:08] <somerville32> :)
[11:08] <ryanakca> I have a cardboard box here if you'd rather have one of those...
[11:08] <nixternal> nah, solid oak please, with a nice cherry and maple design/crest (Kubuntu logo?)
[11:09] <ryanakca> nixternal: sure
[11:10] <crippledcanary> Could anyone have a look at my scribes package. Found at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3752
[11:10] <ryanakca> nixternal: I'll gimp one of those when I'm really bored one day
[11:10] <nixternal> i use KDE all the time, GNOME only because Debian installs it by default ;p
[11:11] <ryanakca> KDE is the one I use the most :)
[11:12] <ryanakca> hmm... looks like pbuilder-feisty is trying to kill itself... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36715/
[11:12] <crippledcanary> ryanakca: I had the same problem earlier tonight
[11:13] <crippledcanary> pbuilder-feisty login --save-after-login
[11:13] <crippledcanary> aptitude aptitude && aptitude dist-upgrate
[11:13] <plugwash> crippledcanary won't that remove apt?
[11:14] <plugwash> leaving you in an even worse state
[11:14] <crippledcanary> Let aptitude hold the packages. using apt-get the packages will be removed
[11:15] <crippledcanary> plugwash: aptitude way works for me
[11:15] <crimsun> heh, I used update-manager to sidestep.
[11:15] <crippledcanary> ryanakca: don't forget the --save-after-login or your changes will be lost.
[11:15] <crimsun> I chose the "distribution upgrade" choice when it was offered
[11:16] <crippledcanary> ryanakca: you migth have to edit the sources.list if you are doing a upgrade from edgy to feisty
[11:18] <LaserJock> nixternal: I was going to say something smart like "You'd be more productive if you used a *real* desktop" then I realized I was typing it from OS X ;-)
[11:18] <nixternal> hahaha
[11:18] <crimsun> you're allowed to stray from the fold.
[11:19] <nixternal> but he does it every day
[11:19] <crimsun> he'll realise before the end.
[11:19] <nixternal> i think if you were such an open source junky, you would advocate to the uppity ups that you will only use Linux (specifically Kubuntu) or you will quit
[11:19] <crippledcanary> LaserJock: could you have a look at scribes again, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3752
[11:20] <LaserJock> crippledcanary: not now but I'll put it on the list
[11:21] <crippledcanary> LaserJock: thanks.
[11:21] <LaserJock> nixternal: well, if it wasn't for the fact that virtually my only purpose in using a computer is to work on Ubuntu I'd rather like OS X
[11:22] <ryanakca> crippledcanary: thanks
[11:22] <nixternal> i could never get into it...i don't know, im just a winner i guess because i only like linux (debian based preferred)
[11:22] <crimsun> it sounds like you need some non-Ubuntu computer usage!
[11:22] <LaserJock> nixternal: as far as DEs go I've just decided to go with which one stinks the least, right now it's Gnome for me
[11:23] <nixternal> heh, I have Kubuntu installed, Debian Etch, OpenSUSE, Fedora Core 6, Slackware, and I tried to install Gentoo, but my computer said HELL NO!
[11:23] <nixternal> i guess i gotta get one of them fat tail pipes for my computer first
[11:23] <LaserJock> I installed FC6 2 nights ago, that was my first non-Ubuntu install in like 2 years
[11:24] <nixternal> ya, i did it last night and i was actually amazed that people like it
[11:24] <nixternal> OpenSUSE I can see why people like it, it is decent even though it is rpm based
[11:25] <crippledcanary> at work I'm forced to use something called Windows XP
[11:25] <LaserJock> I feel for you
[11:25] <imbrandon> at work i'm forced to use ubuntu/windows 2k3/ and vista
[11:25] <imbrandon> :)
[11:25] <LaserJock> I haven't had to really use XP for a while
[11:25] <LaserJock> luckily my boss is a *nix junkie and couldn't use Windows to save his life
[11:25] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:26] <nixternal> haha, since i am going to school and receiving my GI Bill I quit working..I got offered a job downtown chicago the other day managing a Microsoft project...i said if it isn't FREE, it isn't me, and hung up
[11:26] <crippledcanary> I eaven had to use SCO Unix once.... 
[11:26] <LaserJock> I literally saw him trying to cat a pdf to a printer spool CLI to print on Windows
[11:26] <imbrandon> hahahahahaha
[11:26] <nixternal> i just hope that the people who use monster don't communicate that stuff behind the scenes
[11:27] <nixternal> heh, my sorry arse used to admin sco boxes for the hospital at one time in my pathetic life
[11:27] <imbrandon> nixternal: thats just stupid imho :) but what ever floats your boat , you'll rarely find a pure FLOSS job
[11:27] <nixternal> im not looking for a job
[11:27] <imbrandon> :)
[11:27] <nixternal> they called me out of the blue
[11:27] <imbrandon> yea but no need to burn a bridge for later :)
[11:28] <nixternal> well, i intereviewed for a marketing spot this summer and turned that down as well
[11:28] <ajmitch> sigh
[11:28] <LaserJock> dude!
[11:28] <nixternal> im waiting for the start-up to take off, then i am moving in with ajmitch
[11:28] <imbrandon> heh
[11:28] <nixternal> i have to finish my masters first, and then debate if i wanna be really cool and do the phd thing
[11:29] <LaserJock> yeah, PhDs are nice, core-dev is better ;-)
[11:29] <nixternal> hahahahahaha
[11:29] <ajmitch> nixternal: haha
[11:29] <crippledcanary> I'm leaving now. its 11.30 pm here and out of coffeine
[11:30] <imbrandon> coffeine heh classic
[11:30] <imbrandon> later
[11:41] <ajmitch> nixternal: so when are you coming to NZ? :)
[11:41] <Adri2000> in a lib package, the so/la/a should go in /lib/ or /usr/lib/ ?
[11:41] <ajmitch> almost always /usr/lib
[11:41] <Adri2000> /lib/ is for "core" packages I guess? (essential packages)
[11:41] <ajmitch> yep
[11:41] <Adri2000> ok
[11:42] <nixternal> not soon enough!
[11:43] <LaserJock> nixternal: can you pick me up on your way?
[11:43] <nixternal> sure thing
[11:44] <nixternal> since i don't drink, all my buds thought it would be fun and buy me this drinking kit for x-mas, so i am loaded with pilsners and shot glasses..they came over for the bears game last night, and as a joke, i turned all of the glasses into flower pots and candle holders
[11:45] <somerville32> :D
[11:45] <nixternal> they did a WTF when they walked in
[11:45] <LaserJock> haha
[11:46] <nixternal> i went to pier 1 and loaded up on the nice gel candle kits, the glass beads..it was great
[11:46] <nixternal> ok, did i just miss something?
[11:46] <ajmitch> yeah
[11:47] <ajmitch> someone sneezed
[11:47] <nixternal> big sneeze, my 'screen irssi' got the snot whacked out of it on that one
[11:48] <ajmitch> it happens sometimes
[11:49] <LaserJock> now that stinks
[11:50] <nixternal> sometimes? it happens more than sometimes
[11:50] <nixternal> sometimes would be once or twice a week, not a few times a day ;)
[11:51] <imbrandon> woot , i /think/ the change went ok
[11:51] <imbrandon> someone ping www.imbrandon.com and tell me the IP they get please
[11:52] <nixternal> 208.113.154.221
[11:52] <somerville32> PING www.imbrandon.com (208.113.154.221) 56(84) bytes of data.
[11:52] <somerville32> 64 bytes from apache2-igloo.gobstopper.dreamhost.com (208.113.154.221): icmp_seq=1 ttl=52 time=123 ms
[11:52] <somerville32> 64 bytes from apache2-igloo.gobstopper.dreamhost.com (208.113.154.221): icmp_seq=2 ttl=52 time=120 ms
[11:52] <somerville32> 64 bytes from apache2-igloo.gobstopper.dreamhost.com (208.113.154.221): icmp_seq=3 ttl=52 time=124 ms
[11:52] <somerville32> Ack!
[11:52] <somerville32> 64 bytes from apache2-igloo.gobstopper.dreamhost.com (208.113.154.221): icmp_seq=4 ttl=52 time=124 ms
[11:52] <somerville32> 64 bytes from apache2-igloo.gobstopper.dreamhost.com (208.113.154.221): icmp_seq=5 ttl=52 time=123 ms
[11:52] <nixternal> hahahahhahaha
[11:52] <Adri2000> eh :) he forgot the -c :
[11:52] <nixternal> you think?
[11:52] <somerville32> Ack
[11:52] <nixternal> lol
[11:52] <somerville32> Sorry 
[11:52] <imbrandon> whop i guess not, its showing up here but it might take a while for dns to proigate
[11:52] <fernando> flooder
[11:55] <ajmitch> so what day do people prefer for this motu meeting?
[11:57] <imbrandon> ajmitch: mondays / tuesdays or wednessdays are best for me but anyday i can make it
[11:57] <imbrandon> as far as my 0.2c
[11:57] <ajmitch> but I think more people need to make their preference known
[11:58] <imbrandon> brb i'ma run to the store
[11:58] <imbrandon> yea
[11:58] <imbrandon> mondays are good imho , but more people yea
[11:58] <imbrandon> back in ~45 min
[11:58] <cbx33> pete@ubunt:~$ ping www.imbrandom.com
[11:58] <cbx33> ping: unknown host www.imbrandom.com
[11:58] <cbx33> whoops
[11:58] <cbx33> n not m
[11:58] <cbx33> silly fingers
[11:59] <imbrandon> yea i have a new post on the blog on the new server so when it shows up on planet
[11:59] <imbrandon> i'll know dns is propigated :)
[11:59] <nixternal> you hosting through work now?
[12:00] <imbrandon> yea i just pointed dns to the new box
[12:00] <imbrandon> you can get to it via http://198.247.173.230/ but some links still dont work because they are coded to the domain name :(
[12:01] <imbrandon> but in the next ~12 to ~24 hours it should be seen by the world
[12:01] <imbrandon> hopefully it dosent spam planet 
[12:01] <imbrandon> when the feed changes
[12:01] <imbrandon> heh
[12:02] <imbrandon> anyhow brb