[12:51] <willvdl> g'night all
[01:07] <blue-phuz> hello all
[01:07] <blue-phuz> can get some help with a gfx card
[01:08] <LaserJock> hmm, you might want to try #ubuntu actually
[01:08] <LaserJock> there are a lot more people there
[01:10] <blue-phuz> ya no one will respond to me
[01:10] <blue-phuz> i know its some thing ssiple but i havent a clue
[01:10] <blue-phuz> simple*
[01:13] <LaserJock> what's the problem?
[01:14] <blue-phuz> when i goto change resolution the screen corrupts and the systm locks up
[01:14] <LaserJock> ok, and how are you changing the resolution?
[01:14] <blue-phuz> it looks like when a lcd is cracked with all the lines
[01:15] <blue-phuz> any way
[02:06] <globe> does anybody know of a good guide to setting up ltsp?  I have edubuntu installed and thats about as far as i've gotten....
[02:13] <LaserJock> http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/ltsp.html ?
[02:13] <globe> hmm...thx.  I'll take a look
[02:20] <bddebian> Heya
[02:25] <globe> hello.
[06:51] <cbx33> hey LaserJock
[06:54] <LaserJock> hi cbx33
[06:54] <cbx33> phew this is early ;)
[06:55] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:54] <RichEd> hi corey
[09:06] <willvdl> highvoltage, hey
[09:09] <RichEd> hi willvdl ] 
[09:10] <RichEd> willvdl: note that quite a few of your posts ge held back from the lists because you post from a different address to the one you subscribed from
[09:10] <willvdl> hi RichEd
[09:10] <willvdl> RichEd, I know :|
[09:10] <willvdl> can you add me as a moderator?
[09:10] <RichEd> the easiest thing to do is to subscribe as all the addresses you might mail from, and then select "no emails" from all but one
[09:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi willvdl , RichEd
[09:11] <willvdl> aha. didn't think of that
[09:11] <willvdl> Kamping_Kaiser, hey
[09:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[09:11] <RichEd> I've been cleaning out the moderator backlog from users ... will keep it up to date now
[09:11] <RichEd> hey Kamping_Kaiser ... hows things ?
[09:11] <willvdl> good news is we're making headway on doc planning
[09:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd, busy :|, i havent had a chance to un[tar,zip]  the thing we talked about last time
[09:13] <RichEd> Great. I was following your discussion yesterday. Things like "What is the difference between release notes and about" are significant ... we need a list of docs and what they do ... targetted, focused, and procedures for updates. Looks like you have the ball rolling.
[09:13] <RichEd> Thanks.
[09:13] <RichEd> Kamping_Kaiser: no worries ... when you have some time.
[09:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah, 2.0 is out
[09:35] <willvdl> cbx33, just got LP rights. time for some updates :] 
[09:39] <highvoltage> hey willvdl
[09:40] <willvdl> highvoltage, been having some very interesting doc-team discussions
[09:40] <willvdl> am looking for your input if possible
[09:42] <cbx33> willvdl: nice
[09:42] <cbx33> I'm here
[09:42] <cbx33> just shout when you need me
[09:42] <willvdl> hmmm, was a premature but not a problem
[09:44] <willvdl> check http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-doc-2006-12-12.html from 11:30
[09:45] <willvdl> and http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-doc-current.html till 12:50
[09:47] <highvoltage> willvdl: anything in particular you'd want me to look at? I'll read through a bit later, there's a lot going on here atm
[09:47] <willvdl> whew. trying to write up some thoughts on wiki. probably best way. will point you to it
[09:48] <cbx33> excellent job willvdl
[09:48] <cbx33> so we're going with svn?
[09:49] <willvdl> yeah. guess so. six of one...
[09:49] <willvdl> you got access?
[09:50] <willvdl> give some thought on how to use branches vs sub-directories for non-release docs
[09:51] <cbx33> yes I will
[09:51] <cbx33> LaserJock is going to get my access
[09:53] <cbx33> so that shouldn't be a problem
[09:53] <willvdl> cool
[10:02] <willvdl> https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-advocacy <-- is this still valid? Can we rather integrate it into marketing team?
[10:03] <highvoltage> willvdl: yes
[10:03] <highvoltage> willvdl: it can be integrated into marketing
[10:04] <willvdl> highvoltage, do you think we are likely to justify an edubuntu-doc package anytime soon?
[10:04] <willvdl> nixternal, morning
[10:04] <highvoltage> willvdl: if there's documentation to put into it, then yes. :)
[10:05] <willvdl> :)
[10:05] <willvdl> good answer
[10:05] <highvoltage> willvdl: with the last release we had a edubuntu-doc package that contained modified content from the tuxlab technical and software modules
[10:05] <willvdl> ah. didn't notice that
[10:07] <highvoltage> willvdl: sorry, not last release, dapper release, I meant
[10:27] <willvdl> trying to decide what to do with https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation
[10:27] <willvdl> I imagine it is basically taken care of in current ubuntu-doc?
[10:30] <cbx33> hmmm
[10:30] <cbx33> EdubuntuDocumentation has a lot of other stuff in it
[10:30] <cbx33> but most of it now has been superseeced
[10:30] <cbx33> apart from a few docs ;)
[10:30] <cbx33> it's mainly handbook docs.....berfore handbook was awritten
[10:31] <cbx33> is nixternal around?
[10:31] <willvdl> I want to use it as a landing page for Edubuntu Doc Team so maybe I'll jsut move the current links down
[10:32] <cbx33> ok do it
[10:32] <cbx33> or dcall the page
[10:32] <cbx33> EdubuntuDoc
[10:32] <cbx33> or EdubuntuDocTeam
[10:36] <willvdl> dcall?
[10:37] <cbx33> dcall?
[10:42] <willvdl> [11:32]  <cbx33> or dcall the page
[10:43] <cbx33> yeh ...... I'm slow this morning dcall?
[10:49] <willvdl> heh
[10:50] <willvdl> highvoltage, how do I change "Details" in https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-doc
[10:57] <cbx33> are you owner of the team ;)
[11:05] <willvdl> cbx33, no, only administrator
[11:06] <willvdl> starting on https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation  which should eventually redirect to /DocumentationTeam (somewhere in a subpage like kubuntu)
[12:31] <barktpolar> Question: Is there a  aLive CD Version of Edubuntu 6.06 or must you install it?
[12:32] <cbx33> there is a live versino
[12:33] <barktpolar> K, cause when I got my Shipit CDs yesterday, there was only a installing option
[12:33] <cbx33> hmmm
[12:34] <cbx33> ahhh
[12:34] <Amaranth> edubuntu does not have a livecd, i thought
[12:34] <cbx33> oh
[12:34] <cbx33> doesn't it?
[12:34] <Amaranth> we just have an installer cd
[12:34] <cbx33> we did have in dapper I'm sure
[12:34] <cbx33> oh maybe not on shipit
[12:34] <Amaranth> there might be one but it's not a combined one with ubiquity like ubuntu
[12:34] <juliux> Amaranth, i am sure that there is also a livecd
[12:35] <juliux> Amaranth, and you can install from the live cd but with out ltsp;)
[12:35] <Amaranth> ah, that's what it was
[12:35] <cbx33> there is an ubiquity one
[12:35] <cbx33> cos I filed several bugs on it
[12:35] <Amaranth> all i have is the edgy shipit cd
[12:35] <juliux> Amaranth, all the server packages are not on the live cd
[12:35] <barktpolar> Wait, Distribute Edgy CDs
[12:36] <Amaranth> and ogra once told me edubuntu did not use the combined live/install thing
[12:36] <juliux> http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-releases/edubuntu/6.06.1/
[12:36] <juliux> Amaranth, that is right
[12:36] <barktpolar> That is teh version I have
[12:36] <juliux> Amaranth, but there is a livecd but you cann't install a edubuntu server from the live cd
[12:36] <cbx33> the cd....at boot up
[12:37] <juliux> Amaranth, that is why the live cd is call live cd and not desktop cd
[12:37] <cbx33> says start Or install
[12:37] <cbx33> I'm pretty sure
[12:37] <juliux> ubuntu has desktop and alternate edubuntu has live and install
[12:37] <juliux> http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-releases/edubuntu/6.10/
[12:37] <juliux> there is a live and a install cd image;)
[12:39] <barktpolar> Well, right now, I'm more focused on building up my Linux Collection and Edubuntu was one of the parts
[12:39] <cbx33> excellent
[12:40] <barktpolar> Curennt, I have Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Edubuntu 6.06
[12:40] <barktpolar> and working on Xubuntu 6.06
[12:48] <willvdl> cbx33, id didn't get far but have a look at https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation
[12:48] <willvdl> (completely wrong place for it but I was pushed for time)
[12:50] <RichEd> [12:50] <cbx33> crikey it is an all isn't it
[12:56] <cbx33> willvdl: cool
[12:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> brb for meeting
[12:56] <juliux> hi RichEd
[12:56] <RichEd> hi juliux
[12:58] <RichEd> how's dresden ? getting cold yet ?
[12:59] <juliux> RichEd, a little bit, very cold wind today but +7 degree
[12:59] <juliux> RichEd, i don't need my winter cloth
[01:00] <RichEd> I'm at 25 today. Shorts & T-shirt & still hot in my office.
[01:00] <RichEd> [01:00] <juliux> RichEd, hehe
[01:00] <juliux> RichEd, last year we had 20cm snow in december
[03:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[03:09] <pips1> willvdl: ping
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> gnight all
[03:28] <RichEd> night Kamping_Kaiser
[03:28] <RichEd> hi rodarvus
[03:29] <RichEd> rodarvus: Can we meet tomorrow for 30 mins ... what time would work for you ?
[03:30] <rodarvus> sure, what time do you prefer?
[03:34] <ogra> cbx33, have you seen https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/pessulus/+bug/44802 ?
[04:01] <pirast> ogra, ping
[04:03] <pirast> where's ogra? :-/
[04:05] <bddebian> Heya
[04:05] <pirast> hey
[04:06] <ogra> pirast, sorry, very busy ... i saw your bugfix to klogic ...
[04:07] <pirast> ogra, great :-)
[04:07] <pirast> ogra, what are you doing all the time? ;-)
[04:08] <ogra> currently carting for ltsp bugs, main inclusion of new packages etc ...
[04:08] <ogra> then building the edubuntu-auth-server and testing it ... etc etc ...
[04:08] <ogra> implementing all listzed specs from https://launchpad.net/people/ogra/+specs ...
[04:09] <pirast> argh ;-)
[04:09] <pirast> hehe, I have holidays in a few days :-P
[04:10] <ogra> me too (not that i would do anything different to a workday though :P)
[04:10] <pirast> btw, if you still remember me, I spoke with a teacher and he sayd that we could move one lab to linux.. I do not know if he really does but I am currently preparing my laptop to present it :-)
[04:11] <pirast> do you know any howtos on mounting samba shares as home directorys and authentification against windows servers?
[04:11] <pirast> ogra, hehe
[04:12] <pirast> auth should hopefully work with ldap
[04:16] <juliux> hi pirast
[04:16] <pirast> hi juliux
[04:22] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:24] <willvdl> hey
[04:24] <pips1> hey sbalneav
[04:25] <sbalneav> Hello pips1
[04:26] <ogra> scottie !!!
[04:29] <cbx33> ogra: yes I saw that bug
[04:29] <cbx33> but it's a pessulus/gconf thing.
[04:30] <ogra> yep
[04:30] <cbx33> I'll have to look into it I suppose, I don;t think vuntz is working on pessulus much anymore
[04:31] <ogra> i was just wondering if its related to your patch
[04:31] <cbx33> i don;t think so
[04:32] <nixternal> good mornin'
[04:32] <nixternal> holy cow, 9:32, I thought it was 7:30
[04:33] <cbx33> hey nixternal
[04:33] <nixternal> whats up cbx33
[04:34] <nixternal> oh i don't even want to look at email this morning
[04:35] <cbx33> I wanted you for something earlier now I can't remember what it was
[04:46] <cbx33> ogra https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/pessulus/+bug/44802 that was bugged before i started playing with pessulus
[04:46] <cbx33> ;)
[04:46] <ogra> ah
[04:46] <cbx33> phew
[06:07] <cbx33> ping ogra
[06:09] <sbalneav> Think he's having dinner
[06:11] <cbx33> ah
[06:11] <juliux> sbalneav, it's to early for dinner;)
[06:11] <sbalneav> Not in Germany
[06:12] <juliux> sbalneav, we have no 18:00
[06:12] <juliux> it is a early dinner,)
[06:12] <sbalneav> 18:00
[06:12] <sbalneav> 's 6:00!  Man, that's time for dinner!
[06:13] <juliux> for me not;)
[06:13] <sbalneav> I like to eat at least 5 hours before I go to bed, otherwise sometimes I get heartburn :)
[06:14] <juliux> hehe
[06:52] <cbx33> awwww
[06:56] <cbx33> ping RichEd
[06:58] <cbx33> highvoltage, where is edubuntugirl these days?
[06:59] <cbx33> bbl
[07:21] <Burgwork> http://www.oreillynet.com/linux/blog/2006/12/in_praise_of_edubuntu.html
[07:24] <pirast> hi again!
[07:25] <pirast> i have a question to the thin client booting from network... what if there are two dhcp servers in the network.. one the dhcp server of server1 and one the edubuntu dhcp server?
[07:25] <pirast> from which one does the client boot then?
[07:25] <pirast> can i specify this somehow?
[07:27] <cbx33> Burgwork, w00t
[07:27] <cbx33> you can't have two dhcp servers pirast
[07:28] <pirast> cbx33, so no chance? :-(
[07:28] <cbx33> well
[07:28] <pirast> because there is a windows server in the network..
[07:28] <cbx33> what server is the dhcp serveR?
[07:28] <cbx33> is it windows based?
[07:28] <cbx33> ;)
[07:28] <pirast> yeah :-(
[07:28] <cbx33> hang on two secs ;)
[07:28] <cbx33> no smile there is a way
[07:28] <pirast> k, thanks
[07:28] <cbx33> I made sure of it
[07:29] <cbx33> ;)
[07:29] <cbx33> I have a windows dhcp server
[07:29] <cbx33> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWindowsDHCP#
[07:29] <cbx33> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWindowsDHCP
[07:29] <cbx33> some of the deatils may need to be changed slighty
[07:29] <pirast> i will have a look..
[07:29] <pirast> thanks
[07:29] <cbx33> but that you can pick up from the configuration file for the edubuntu dhcp server
[07:30] <cbx33> it works trust me;)
[07:30] <pirast> wow!
[07:31] <pirast> many thanks I love you man :-)
[07:31] <cbx33> no problem
[07:31] <cbx33> oh you may like this too
[07:31] <cbx33> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPMultiboot
[07:33] <pirast> looks great, also :-
[07:33] <pirast> :-)
[07:33] <cbx33> ping nixternal
[07:33] <nixternal> yo yo
[07:34] <cbx33> take a look at those last two links
[07:34] <cbx33> I should have put them in the handbook
[07:34] <cbx33> what do you think?
[07:34] <cbx33> if there isn't already data on them
[07:34] <nixternal> hrmm.i know sbalneav was working on the LTSP part, it might be better to ask him on that one
[07:35] <cbx33> ping sbalneav
[07:35] <nixternal> time to roll out..i will bbiab
[07:44] <LaserJock> hi Edubuntu people
[07:44] <cbx33> hey LaserJock
[07:44] <cbx33> need to tal to you
[07:44] <cbx33> but going out
[07:44] <cbx33> back alter
[07:44] <cbx33> later
[08:01] <cbx33> ping sbalneav LaserJock ogra
[08:05] <cbx33> bbl
[08:05] <LaserJock> heh
[08:20] <Burgwork> hmm, interesting
[08:25] <StephenL> How can I turn off or uninstall terminal services from edubuntu?
[08:26] <Burgwork> you want to prevent users from using a terminal?
[08:26] <LaserJock> or from using LTSP
[08:29] <StephenL> LTSP
[08:29] <LaserJock> you should be able to just turn on off the dhcp server
[08:30] <sbalneav> Simplest would be just to turn off the dhcp server
[08:30] <sbalneav> heh
[08:30] <StephenL> I want to disable it in X though.
[08:30] <Burgwork> you could simply uninstall it
[08:31] <sbalneav> StephenL: just issue this command "update-rc.d -f dhcp3-server remove
[08:32] <sbalneav> or, more accurately:
[08:33] <sbalneav> sudo update-rc.d -f dhcp3-server remove
[08:33] <StephenL> The dhcp server isn't what I'm worried about.  I have software that works fine in ubuntu, but in edubuntu it won't work.  It's something to do with how X listens with connections I believe.
[08:35] <sbalneav> No, theres no difference in X between edubuntu and ubuntu.
[08:35] <sbalneav> What's the software?  Maybe you're just missing a library?
[08:37] <StephenL> It's the software for this: http://www.ncomputing.com/ncomputing/products/direct.php
[08:39] <Burgwork> ncomputing is not LTSP, but some sort of properitary product
[08:39] <StephenL> Right.
[08:39] <StephenL> I need it to work and LTSP not to work.
[08:40] <sbalneav> So, you say it works on ubuntu, but not edubuntu?
[08:40] <sbalneav> So, why not use ubuntu? :)
[08:40] <StephenL> Yes, it worked fine in ubuntu.
[08:40] <sbalneav> All edubuntu is is ubuntu + ltsp + educational apps.
[08:41] <StephenL> Yeah, I know.  It's easier to do an apt-get install edubuntu-desktop than to install all the apps individually.
[08:41] <sbalneav> You don't want the ltsp, so just use ubuntu, and if you need some of the educational apps, just install them with synaptic.
[08:41] <StephenL> I don't really want to reinstall I just want to get rid of the ltsp part.
[08:42] <sbalneav> thats easy.
[08:42] <sbalneav> rm -rf /opt/ltsp
[08:42] <sbalneav> ltsp gone.
[08:42] <StephenL> odd, i have not /opt/ltsp
[08:43] <StephenL> s/not/no
[08:43] <sbalneav> Did you start with a ubuntu box and add the edubuntu desktop?
[08:43] <StephenL> Yes.
[08:43] <sbalneav> Then you don't even have ltsp installed.
[08:43] <sbalneav> ltsp only gets installed when you install from the cd
[08:44] <sbalneav> installing edubuntu desktop doesn't get you the ltsp build, unless you run ltsp-build-client.
[08:44] <sbalneav> So, ltsp isn't your problem.
[08:47] <StephenL>  /usr/sbin/gdm --config=/etc/gdm/gdm-cdd.conf
[08:47] <StephenL> Where is the config file that's telling gdm to use that config?
[08:48] <StephenL> what is cdd?
[08:48] <sbalneav> /etc/init.d/gdm
[08:49] <sbalneav> That'll be part of the flexiserver "switch user" functionality.
[08:49] <sbalneav> That's the same as in stock ubuntu, I beleive.
[08:50] <StephenL> I don't have a gdm-cdd.conf on my ubuntu box.
[08:51] <pirast> what are the reasons for edubuntu using the -386 kernel instead of the -generic one?
[08:51] <sbalneav> From the /etc/init.d/gdm script:
[08:51] <sbalneav> # Allow cdd to override the config
[08:51] <sbalneav> if [ -f /etc/gdm/gdm-cdd.conf ] ; then
[08:51] <sbalneav>         CONFIG_FILE="--config=/etc/gdm/gdm-cdd.conf"
[08:51] <sbalneav> fi
[08:51] <StephenL> yeah I see that
[08:51] <sbalneav> if you're seeing that, you should have it.
[08:51] <StephenL> gdm-cdd.conf is a symlink pointing to /etc/alternatives/gdm-config-derivative
[08:51] <StephenL> Ubuntu does not have that symlink
[08:52] <LaserJock> pirast: I don't think there was a decision to use -386 over -generic
[08:52] <pirast> LaserJock, mhm because I just installed Edubuntu and it uses the 386 one by default..
[08:52] <sbalneav> on edubuntu, it points to:
[08:52] <sbalneav> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 44 2006-10-24 09:06 /etc/alternatives/gdm-config-derivative -> /usr/share/edubuntu-artwork/gdm/gdm-cdd.conf
[08:53] <sbalneav> so, just remove the link, and everything should be normal.
[08:53] <LaserJock> pirast: there were bugs I think
[08:53] <StephenL> that's what I'm trying now...
[08:53] <pirast> LaserJock, okay.. thanks
[08:53] <LaserJock> pirast: I don't think it was edubuntu specific though
[08:53] <sbalneav> then invoke-rc.d gdm restart
[08:53] <LaserJock> pirast: but perhaps
[08:53] <sbalneav> which will kick you out of your X session, BTW
[08:54] <StephenL> I'm ssh'd to the box in another location
[08:54] <StephenL> I just rebooted it.
[08:54] <sbalneav> meh, shouldn't EVER need to reboot a linux box :)
[08:54] <sbalneav> just restarting the service should be fine.
[08:54] <LaserJock> unless you're testing the kernel
[08:55] <sbalneav> Well, ok, got me there.
[08:55] <StephenL> I agree, but not sitting in front of the box I would just rather have it reboot.
[08:55] <LaserJock> and sometimes vmware/qemu doesn't cut it ;-)
[08:57] <sbalneav> Well, I gotta get going in a couple of minutes and drop off YET ANOTHER database server to our developer.  Apparently the $40,000 worth of hardware of ours sitting out at their site isn't sufficient, and they need ANOTHER $7,000 box.
[08:57] <sbalneav> grmbl
[08:58] <sbalneav> I'll be on later.
[08:58] <sbalneav> cya all.
[09:01] <cbx33> ping ogra
[09:01] <cbx33> ping LaserJock
[09:05] <LaserJock> hi
[09:06] <cbx33> Dude i need help
[09:07] <LaserJock> uh oh
[09:07] <cbx33> hang on
[09:49] <pirast> my dhcpd is up and running but other pcs can't connect to it via dhcp..
[09:50] <LaserJock> is there another dhcp server around?
[09:50] <pirast> no, only one :-(
[09:50] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't know
[09:50] <pirast> the pcs are connected directly..
[09:50] <pirast> mhm
[09:50] <pirast> and when i run "dhclient eth1" on the server, it does not work either
[09:51] <pirast> (i did it before by mistake and it worked)
[09:51] <pirast> then i restored my network settings because they were shot
[10:05] <pirast> okay.. problem solved
[10:05] <pirast> i though that the cable would not be crossed, but it was
[10:05] <pirast> or the other way :-)
[10:21] <pirast> i now get tftp error 1 (file not found).. any idea what's wrong?
[10:47] <pirast> solved, too.. had to add i386