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[05:13] heh [05:14] 42! [05:16] it's there now! [05:16] (ha ha, made ya look) [05:18] <_ion> hobbsee: 1405006117752879898543142606244511569936384000000000 === dous_ [n=dous@124.107.250.225] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:19] :P [05:20] aha, that's 42! [05:21] (yeah, I'm a bit slow this evening) [05:23] <_ion> And it's m6jperiu2qj2escmbvoo5edc000000000 in base-36! === bobdufour [n=louis@ip216-239-87-157.vif.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:25] <_ion> Actually quite interesting that the final nine digits are zeros in both base-10 and base-36. === wasabi_ [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:30] true for any multiple of 180^9 with no further factors of 5 or 18 [05:30] but yes :) [05:30] er, just no further factors of 10 or 36 I guess === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi_ [n=wasabi@cpe-76-184-96-5.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi_ [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:45] Mithrandir: ping? === wasabi_ [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:49] Mithrandir: is http://librarian.launchpad.net/5372957/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-i386.sylpheed-claws-gtk2_2.6.0-1ubuntu1_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz known about? i seem to ge tit on most arches === wasabi_ [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MoronShrek [n=sdfsdfsd@125-236-172-192.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:00] I just got a $300,000us year contract [06:00] w00t! [06:08] congratulations! === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:17] morning [06:20] hey fabbione! [06:21] hi Hobbsee [06:25] hi Hobbsee and fabbione [06:26] hi === mvo [n=egon@p54A66CA6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:26] hey Laser_away === Hobbsee fights with LP [06:27] STUPID LAUNCHPAD! DO WHAT I WANT! === kernel07 [n=pop@c-24-7-82-239.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee smashes LP with a brick === Phoenix7477 [n=matt@75.153.211.50] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:36] Hobbsee: easy now === nkassi [n=nkassi@WK20-156.lewisweb.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === holycow [n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [i=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia_ [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia__ [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azeem [n=mbanck@host109.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === truz_`24 [n=truz_`24@74.129.166.232] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dade` [n=dade@nectarine/admin/dade] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dogmatism [n=josh@24.115.218.54.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stu1 [n=stub@ppp-58.8.12.133.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === proppy [n=proppy@free.mekensleep.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:00] Good morning [09:00] <_ion> Hi [09:03] hi _ion [09:04] <_ion> What's up? === carlos [n=carlos@84.77.101.254] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seeker` [n=Seeker@84-12-167-90.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:12] hi === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:24] pitti: wget is not that bit and we can strip busybox wget from being built [09:24] pitti: we already pull in libssl for other stuff anyway [09:24] so the size bloat would be minimal [09:24] fabbione: ah, if we do have a libssl udeb, then maybe you should just have a wget udeb then, with ssl support? [09:25] pitti: that was the idea.. yes [09:25] right, that's what I meant === pitti hugs fabbione [09:25] i need to talk to cjwatson first [09:25] adding udebs at random can be dangerous [09:26] specially when replacing "known to work" busybox commands === dade` [n=dade@nectarine/admin/dade] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:30] fabbione: I suspect that gnu wget is way bigger than busybox wget. === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-49dd31ab97af5a78] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@38.161-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xeros [i=xeros@fan194.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:40] Mithrandir: hm, seems that your postgresql-8.2 sync went to Nirvana :/ [09:40] pitti: maybe it just went to NEW. [09:41] just checked the queue, it's not there [09:41] Mithrandir: does the sync stop completely if an error occurs/ [09:41] s_/_?_ [09:41] Mithrandir: well it can be made optional only for system-integrity-check [09:41] we don't necessarely need to replace wget in busybox by default [09:42] pitti: hmm, let me investigate. And hope I didn't sync it into edgy or something. [09:43] Hahah. === shackan_ [n=shackan@85-18-136-77.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:46] slomo_: I wonder whether we actually need to carry this dbus at_console patch -- it's broken, and we don't use it after all === owh [n=onno@59.154.24.148] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:49] Just wondering what the protocol is for editing/adding/removing tags. I've been searching for bugs with the word ThinkPad in them and tagging them accordingly - seeing that I have one of those, and I figured I could help out in a small way. In the process I've also edited tags where the majority of the tags were plural and a few singular. === seb128 [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-36-79.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:49] Should I cease and desist this, or am I doing an appropriate thing> [09:49] s/>/?/ === shackan__ [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F738C5.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:52] good morning [09:54] hey dholbach [09:54] seb128: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule ; can you take a look at the herd milestones and tell me you don't go "aiee"? (wrt gnome's releases, etc) [09:55] heya pitti [09:55] hey Mithrandir [09:55] hey seb128 [09:55] sure [09:55] hi dholbach [09:55] hi Mithrandir [09:55] mornining Daniel [09:55] morning Sebastien [09:55] Mithrandir: Herd-2, aiee [09:55] morninigningningning everybody else :) === owh wonders if anyone noticed the tags question :-) === owh asked initially in #launchpad and was directed here by jamesh. [09:56] Mithrandir: herd-4, aiee [09:57] Mithrandir: well, tarball are due on monday and usually we are done with packaging on wednesday, so it you don't freeze too soon that's fine === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:58] seb128: we'll be aiming for a thursday release in the common case, but I'd like to not have the world falling down on wednesday. [09:58] Mithrandir: we can be done on tuesday evening, not before though [09:58] fabbione: I'd rather patch wget/https into busybox; minimal impact [09:59] Mithrandir: if that works for you ... [09:59] Mithrandir: http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointSeventeen for reference [09:59] seb128: we could move all the herds out one week if that'd make it better for you? [10:00] cjwatson: i phear a lot of code there and tons of bugs.. [10:00] fabbione: might need to dlopen libssl though, or something like that, otherwise we'll pull libssl into the initrd [10:00] cjwatson: yes that too... [10:01] Mithrandir: I'm happy to keep like that if you are happy to freeze on tuesday evening, that makes us ship with almost crack of the day new GNOME for herds ;) [10:02] Mithrandir: otherwise shifting one week would be better, though it would conflict with the distro sprint by example [10:03] seb128: no, I'd move them out, as in, a week later. [10:03] I suppose a wget-udeb isn't impossible; it could be /usr/bin/wget.gnu or something [10:03] cjwatson: the latter is what i was thinking [10:03] seb128: but CotD sounds excellent to me. [10:03] cjwatson: a lot less code and only pulled in if rescue is selected [10:03] seb128: we can at least try it for the first one and if it's too painful, we move the herds. [10:03] ok [10:03] cjwatson: so it's not too much overhead in code or size === seb128 hugs Mithrandir [10:04] not rescue in general surely? [10:04] just s-i-c? === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:04] cjwatson: well rescue will pull in s-i-c unconditionally [10:04] cjwatson: given that's a menu hook.. etc .etc .etc [10:05] brb [10:08] re [10:11] cjwatson: dapper/edgy-proposed langpacks are out for 8 days now, and got some feedback (Russian tsclient continues to be broken, but not any different than before, and all other people just reported improvements) [10:11] cjwatson: can you give an ack for an -updates upload, or only mdz? [10:12] hi doko [10:12] good morning [10:12] pitti: I can. What happened to getting the process onto the SRU wiki page? === Seeker` [n=cjo20@ip-62-105-182-26.dsl.twang.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === joachim-n [n=joachim@ACCFCB76.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seeker` [n=cjo20@ip-62-105-182-26.dsl.twang.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jonibo [n=jonas@213.212.2.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seeker` [n=kvirc@ip-62-105-182-26.dsl.twang.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:35] cjwatson: there's still no formally agreed-on process yet, I should bring this up in the next TB meeting [10:35] cjwatson: so far it was just 'propose, collect feedback on the -translators ML, test yourself, go' === carlos_ [n=carlos@84.77.99.212] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:55] dholbach: did you do any launchpad change which makes me receive universe sponsorship mails now? [10:55] carlos: could you please take a look at bug 68646? [10:55] Malone bug 68646 in tsclient "Russian l11n in tsclient is broken" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/68646 [10:55] pitti: sure [10:55] carlos: the Russian tsclient.po contains just garbage [10:56] msgid "Connect to a remote computer" [10:56] msgstr " " [10:56] carlos: it's a bit weird [10:56] carlos: the letters are all perfectly cyrillic, but they do not make sense at all [10:56] is it specific for Rosetta? [10:56] carlos: and some strings are fine [10:56] carlos: let me look into the upstream source [10:57] I mean, I guess the upstream translation is not broken that way, is it? [10:57] pitti: in Edgy, most translations come from upstream [10:58] carlos: upstream translations are in KOI8-R, I msgconv and check [10:58] carlos: msgconv -t UTF-8 po/ru.po |view - looks fine [10:58] seb128: no, I'm not aware of what might cause that [10:59] dholbach: some team change apparently, I'm getting mails for the universe sponsors team === carlos gets the file [10:59] am I the only one? [11:00] carlos: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/tsclient.ru.po <- original file from upstream [11:00] pitti: don't worry, I got it from apt [11:00] ajmitch: can you deactivate 'ubuntu-dev' in 'ubuntu-universe-sponsors'? [11:01] ajmitch: http://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-sponsors/+members [11:02] seb128: ^ - ajmitch or Hobbsee can fix that [11:02] carlos: I added a comment to the bug and mangled it a bit, FYI [11:02] dholbach: thank you [11:02] de rien [11:02] ok [11:04] pitti: That's weird, I guess the problem broke the encoding of that file uploading it in Rosetta [11:04] pitti: we could track it now, but that was a year ago or so === dade` [n=dade@nectarine/admin/dade] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:04] carlos: so could we just reimport the upstream file into Rosetta? [11:04] so I cannot tell you who did it. The only thing I could do is to revert to whatever upstream has [11:04] pitti: yes [11:05] let me ask something in the bug report first [11:05] carlos: that shouldn't kill the strings that were added to Rosetta proper, right? [11:05] no [11:05] but I think the additions are also broken [11:05] so I need to check one of those with someone that knows Russian [11:05] (that's what I'm going to ask in the bug report) [11:05] carlos: I can tell you === Seeker` [n=cjo20@ip-62-105-182-26.dsl.twang.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:06] carlos: I can read Russian and understand it a bit [11:06] pitti: Do you know Russian? [11:06] ok [11:06] ;-) [11:06] carlos: in any case I can tell you whether something makes sense or not [11:06] pitti: https://translations.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/tsclient/+pots/tsclient/ru/4/+translate [11:06] carlos: for example, this one isn't present upstream and is fine: [11:06] msgid "New Connection..." [11:06] msgstr " " [11:06] ok [11:06] that's exactly what I wanted to know ;-) [11:07] hehe [11:07] pitti: I guess that means that wiz was not the one breaking translations ;-) === carlos do some uploads to fix this issue. [11:07] carlos: great, thanks [11:08] Mithrandir: Chroot problem changed to Need building [11:08] proppy: it wasn't Mithrandir's problem; infinity fixed it [11:09] oh ok [11:09] nice [11:09] proppy: you don't need to tell me about any state changes for packages in the archive. :-P === stefg [n=chatzill@dslb-088-072-228-130.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:09] sorry [11:10] i'm diing to see a green bar, on it since one week :) [11:10] meh @ evolution crashing === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tonyyserver [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:21] cjwatson: so can i spend sometime to make that wget-udeb or do you prefer to investigate other solutions? [11:22] go ahead [11:22] ok.. wget.gnu it is.. [11:25] fabbione: done the modules -> anna/choose_modules alias in my d-i tree; I'm just checking upstream to ensure no-one objects violently to that name [11:25] cjwatson: great thanks [11:33] cjwatson: Morning. [11:34] cjwatson: re this `Breaks' SRU. The basic bug is this: edgy's apt-get dist-upgrade breaks if there are unsatisfiable Breaks relationships. [11:34] There is a one-line fix which I haven't yet double-checked for safety. [11:35] We can either 1. fix this bug in edgy-updates; 2. make update-manager edgy->feisty use feisty's apt (depends on soyuz change and generally a bit of a palaver) or 3. use Breaks only in and referring to main. [11:36] If you don't think (1) is a daft idea then I'll do some more checking and make a proper SRU proposal. [11:38] dist-upgrade breaks as in falls over in a heap and refuses to continue? [11:38] iwj: did you got my mail? I just prepared a SRU for this (and two other trivial fixes) === dade` [n=dade@nectarine/admin/dade] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:38] I'm happy to consider a one-line fix for this === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-63-17.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:38] though note that I'm fairly sure 2. doesn't actually depend on a soyuz change, although it remains a bit of a palaver === seaLne [n=seaLne@ubuntu/member/sealne] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Traxer|on [i=traxer@shell6.powershells.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marsu [n=user@c83-252-78-72.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [n=anthony@220-253-112-161.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:43] cjwatson: yes, dist-upgrade fails over and refuses to continue [11:43] fabbione: your os-prober changes look fine to me [11:44] cjwatson: ok can i upload or do you have more stuff in the queue? [11:44] or do you prefer to upload? [11:44] (all works for me..) [11:46] fabbione: nothing from me. just use debcommit --release after updating the changelog and commit to bazaar.launchpad.net when you upload [11:46] debcommit ? === fabbione digs [11:46] (dunno if you use debcommit --release normally; I like to standardise on that for installer work because, lacking bzr tags, it makes releases easier to find) [11:46] it's in devscripts [11:47] reading... [11:47] cjwatson, Mithrandir: for apache2.2, we need to promote 'apr' to main; it's just a split-out from the former apache package, are you fine without an MIR? [11:47] fabbione: oh and please use -I.bzr to dpkg-buildpackage if you don't normally [11:47] pitti: yes, as well as for apr-util. [11:47] cjwatson: i usually add -i that does the same [11:47] fabbione: not for native packages [11:47] -i is only for the .diff.gz [11:47] ok === fabbione tries all of the above [11:48] mvo: No, I haven't read my mail this morning yet. [11:48] iwj: ok, its just that I prepared a sru for apt for two unreleated bugs and added this fix as well to my proposal [11:49] mvo: Makes sense. === slomo__ [n=slomo@p5486ED50.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:49] cjwatson: do you want the langpack SRU process blessed from TB before this update, or is the informal feedback enough? [11:49] hi slomo__ [11:50] pitti: i would be fine with dropping it, especially when considering that it's insecure... but at least avahi is using it... [11:50] slomo__: then we should teach avahi not to [11:50] pitti: no, it's fine. do you have the updates prepared? [11:50] cjwatson: yes, I have, sources are on rookery [11:51] path? [11:51] rookery:/srv/language-packs.ubuntu.com/{dapper,edgy}-updates-proposed-20061205/sources-update/*sources.changes [11:51] mvo, cjwatson: OK, I've just double-checked the code and it very clearly has absolutely no effect in the absence of any Breaks fields so the worst case is that it breaks upgrades to feisty (but that's what it's actually fixing, of course). [11:51] pitti: right... but are you really sure nothing else uses it? what about n-m for example? and how would the solution for avahi look like? it's only a dbus method that allows setting the zeroconf hostname and was requested by n-m upstream [11:51] scp: /srv/language-packs.ubuntu.com/dapper-updates-proposed-20061205/sources-update/*sources.changes: No such file or directory [11:51] scp: /srv/language-packs.ubuntu.com/edgy-updates-proposed-20061205/sources-update/*sources.changes: No such file or directory [11:51] pitti: ^-- [11:51] cjwatson: debcommit --release in this case will commit straight to LP [11:51] fabbione: fine [11:52] cjwatson: argh, s/sources/source/, my bad [11:52] cjwatson: so update changelog .. debcommit --release .. upload [11:52] cjwatson: ok all worked fine i guess [11:52] cjwatson: thanks for the guidance [11:52] slomo__: but for avahi, our modified at_console would be actively wrong [11:53] pitti: ah yes [11:53] fabbione: yes [11:53] slomo__: so perhaps we should modify our dbus patch to just behave like libpam-console, i. e. at_console matches everyone being logged in locally, not just the currently active session [11:54] pitti: what does n-m do to prevent unrestricted access to the interfaces? [11:54] slomo__: for programs where the difference matters (like g-v-m and g-p-m) we can just continue using their patches which check the forground console themselves === CypherBIOS [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:56] slomo__: allows access to at_console=true and context=default [11:56] slomo__: the context=default scares me [11:56] slomo__: in the long run, the difference (at_console and current_console) just has to be added/fixed upstream [11:56] pitti: ok, so n-m has exactly the same problem... hm, i have to leave for ~1 hour or something... let's talk about it again when i'm back, ok? :) [11:57] slomo__: so ATM our nm-applet doesn't work correctly with or without the dbus at_console patch [11:57] slomo__: yes, let's [12:00] hmm, n-m works quite nicely here, no issues so far (I followed some nice howto somewhere) [12:01] sivang: probably just out of coincidence, that two nm-applet's will do the same thing at the same time [12:02] pitti: maybe, at least it's working far better then the ifupdown setup I had before [12:02] pitti: also nicely supports all of my WAP-PSK networks [12:02] (e.g. auto-detects that a key is required, asks for them, sets up and connects) [12:03] infinity, Mithrandir: was there a specific reason to rename apache2-common to apache2.2-common? this is a real PITA for correct upgrades (which maintain enabled modules, etc.) [12:04] infinity, Mithrandir: for example, we want to enable mod_userdir by default for fresh installs, but telling apart a fresh install from an upgrade isn't trivial [12:05] pitti: yes, apache2-common and apache2.2-common aren't ABI compatible === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:06] the alternative is the biggest conflicts line the world has seen [12:06] Mithrandir: enabling mod_userdir is our only Debian delta, btw, and IIRC infinity wanted to fix that in Debian, too [12:06] Mithrandir: but anyway, Debian's version a2enmod's a lot of stuff by default [12:06] Mithrandir: does that mean you are fine with deliberately changing the users' configuration on upgrades? [12:06] pitti: uh, Debian doesn't enable mod_userdir? That's easily enough fixed. [12:06] that breaks the Golden Rule [12:07] Mithrandir: no, just tried (built the Debian package and installed it from scratch) === jonh_wendell [n=wendell@200165129086.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:07] pitti: it upgrades fine in the trivial case; people do too much weird shit with their apache configs in a lot of cases than we can reasonably handle. [12:08] so in those cases, we just throw our hands up in the air and leaves the admin to fix. [12:08] Mithrandir: ok [12:08] like, there's no reasonable way we can do the authn/authz split automatically. === jonh_wendell [n=wendell@200165129086.user.veloxzone.com.br] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Bye"] [12:08] I'm sure thom'd love to elaborate further. :-) [12:08] Mithrandir: I just feel a bit nervous about automatically enabling security relevant stuff like userdir without telling the admin [12:09] Mithrandir: but I'm happy to merge it for now and discuss this further in a Debian bug [12:09] pitti: you can check whether /etc/apache2/mods-available/userdir.load exists and if not assume that the userdir module didn't exist before. [12:09] pitti: actually, #debian-apache on OFTC is a better place to discuss the development. [12:09] pitti: non root processes notifying users => isn't this what dbus is for? [12:09] Mithrandir: right [12:10] Keybuk: s/non// === dous [n=dous@124.104.13.161] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:10] Keybuk: right === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548AEEB9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:10] Keybuk: but you need something in the user's session that actually listens to dbus [12:10] pitti: it's a low-traffic channel and it sometimes takes a bit of time to get responses for people, but it's a useful place for discussions. [12:10] Keybuk: e. g. it would be possible to talk to notification-daemon (with some su wrapping, etc.) [12:11] Mithrandir: thanks, will do that [12:11] (the list of modules enabled on 2.0 is more or less meaningless compared to 2.2 in a lot of cases, so the upgrade will almost never work right, as tollef pointed out) [12:11] Keybuk: but the problem is that at boot time (when avahi might already get disabled), there's no user session yet [12:11] Keybuk: thus I needed to decouple the process: the dhcp script sets the tag, and the user session picks up the tag [12:12] Mithrandir: hm, checking for the presence of the file wouldn't work for fresh installs [12:12] anyway, /me moves to #d-a [12:13] oh, complicated === jack_at_home [n=jack@221.223.23.161] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@host81-152-42-42.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:22] pitti: did you get to look at exiv2? [12:23] Riddell: just finished dealing with apache, will donow [12:23] s/donow/do now/ === Riddell hugs pitti [12:28] Riddell: approved, with some bad gut feeling about maintenance overhead due to soname === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@221.218.35.96] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:33] Keybuk: able to move exiv2 source and libexiv2-dev, libexiv2-0.12, libexiv2-doc sources to main? just approved by pitti === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] Riddell: one moment [12:36] fabbione: partman-auto-lvm's in bzr now, in case you need to touch it again [12:37] Riddell: all binaries [12:37] ? [12:37] cjwatson: great thanks. is ddaa handling the imports? [12:37] cjwatson: it would be nice to have silo-installer too [12:37] Riddell: oh, sorry, you meant "binaries" :p [12:38] Riddell: there's several packages still depending on the old version of libexiv2 [12:38] fabbione: ddaa is generally helpful for imports when I need them, yes [12:38] can you fix those [12:38] fabbione: OK, I'll see if I can get you silo-installer [12:38] may take a while though === jinty [n=jinty@172.Red-83-36-43.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:39] cjwatson: no hurry as usual. thanks [12:39] Riddell: done === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@59.92.78.208] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:51] oh dear, now that I finally figured out how to enable this compiz thing in the first place, I have to see that it totally sucks :( [12:51] fabbione: import requested === pitti files a couple of bugs and switches off that damn thing again [12:51] cjwatson: cheers dude [12:52] brb === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dous [n=dous@124.104.13.161] has joined #ubuntu-devel === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-23-126.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_at_home [n=jack@221.223.23.161] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:11] seb128, dholbach: ping? [01:11] fabbione: pong [01:11] dholbach: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/feisty_probs.html [01:12] dholbach: can you please tell me what did FTBFS in the sparc/gnome world so we can get something to actually install? [01:12] I'm sure most of them are due to the buildd problems [01:12] they were there even before that [01:12] like yesterday morning [01:12] even before doko did break gcc === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-465ff4c738f8d82e] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:13] fabbione: mono is broken, but you know that, right? [01:13] eel would probably resolve nautilus and nautilus-cd-burner [01:13] Mithrandir: yes mono i know.. i am talking about all the other gnome stuff [01:13] Mithrandir: there is a bug upstream [01:13] bhale: about sparc? [01:13] yes === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:13] fabbione: eel2 too, but it looks transitional so I'll just give it back. [01:14] http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=80027 [01:14] Ximian bug 80027 in io-layer "[Linux/SPARC] Segfault in System.IO.FileSystemInfo.Refresh" [Unknown,Reopened] [01:14] fabbione ^ [01:14] not sure what gnome-{applets,panel,mount,volume-manager} are waiting for [01:14] bhale: unlikely to get fixed if either david miller or I will fix the code === geser [n=michael@85.25.108.60] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:17] fabbione: a bit hard to figure out with no sparc machine to test it on [01:17] most of the stuff that is not installable and causes build failures built fine itself [01:18] http://librarian.launchpad.net/5167973/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-sparc.gnome-applets_2.16.2-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz shows such a build failure [01:20] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-python/2.16.2-0ubuntu1 failed on all archs === dholbach tries a rebuild === somerville32 [n=somervil@fctnnbsc15w-156034086016.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:21] dholbach: ImportError: No module named gnomevfs [01:21] in the tests. [01:21] I suspect that might be culprit [01:22] yeah, saw that - investigating [01:22] Mithrandir: can you perform a massive give-back for sparc? [01:22] or just those gnome-crap packages? :P [01:22] fabbione: I can do single give-backs, I don't have any nice tools to do mass give-backs, so please give me a list of packages. === dholbach slaps fabbione [01:23] dholbach: can you give that list to Mithrandir once you have done the investigation? i suspect the usual unversioned B-D thingy [01:23] unversioned b-d? [01:24] fabbione: there are only a few that failed to build and it's a bit hard for me to figure out without having any means of trying to test install those packages [01:24] dholbach: you can use faure chroots to figure that out [01:25] dholbach: you or seb often upload pkg foo that needs bar-dev in version X or higher but you don't express this B-D properly and just rely on the fact that buildd will be fast enough to make bar-dev available before you upload foo [01:25] dholbach: that's often cause of these kind of FTBFS [01:25] no, I don't [01:26] i always check the diff of configure.{in,ac} before [01:26] well it did happen in the past so it might still happen now and you just don't notice... [01:26] anyway.. it's enough Mithrandir get a list of things to retry [01:27] uh huh... I'll see if I can resolve that ftbfs i found === bronson_ [n=bronson@adsl-75-36-147-248.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:28] dholbach: I've still not managed to get gossip-telepathy to login to google talk; is there some trick to this? [01:28] I get odd errors like "Connection Refused" or "Non-specific protocol error" [01:28] Keybuk: I'm afraid, I don't know - I didn't try it and there's a bug open about it - I'll try to find out === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:29] dholbach: there is a bug about that ? [01:29] Keybuk: did enabled ssl support and set port 5223 ? [01:30] sorry, that was cohoba - bug 70215 [01:30] Malone bug 70215 in cohoba "Audio of Google Talk does not work" [Medium,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/70215 === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gerrath [n=Shane_@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:36] Zdra: that seemed to be the trick, yes === twb [n=twb@CPE-155-143-208-237.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:37] Mithrandir: ping? === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:37] hi Trent [01:37] Mithrandir: so I've been getting the hang of bzr doing merges of casper and casper/debian. [01:37] twb: yay [01:38] does that mean you have shiny branches for me to merge? [01:38] One thing the debian branch does is move debian/changelog to debian/changelog.upstream, and then use that file iff the host is Ubuntu. [01:38] i.e. one you merge my branch, you'd need to edit changelog.upstream instead of changelog. [01:38] Is this a problem, ideologically? [01:39] fabbione: I would start by doing a retry on every of those [01:40] twb: they seem to install it unconditionally. I'd probably merge it, move the file back and rm the debian one. [01:40] seb128: he left [01:40] Well that's what I was doing, but the debian/rules file appears to (AFAICT) install the appropriate file depending on what host you build the .deb under. [01:40] Same for the control file. === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:41] pitti: sorry, I screwed up slightly while processing the language packs and caused a few mails to -changes; I think only three or four or so [01:41] cjwatson: that won't hurt; thanks a lot for processing! [01:42] twb: it seems to install the .upstream file unconditionally? [01:42] I managed to ctrl-c before it got too far [01:42] Mithrandir: no. [01:42] Ctrl-C worked? [01:42] Normally I Ctrl-\ Soyuz :p [01:42] Mithrandir: [01:42] ifeq ($(BUILD_SYSTEM),Debian) [01:42] dh_installchangelogs -a debian/changelog.upstream [01:42] else [01:42] dh_installchangelogs -a [01:42] endif [01:42] twb: the packaging toolchain relies on the version you're building being at the head of debian/changelog, so that won't work for us at all [01:43] dholbach: what do you mean? he's still on the chan, he'll probably read whenever he's in front of IRC again [01:43] cjwatson: it works for me. [01:43] i.e. if you have to edit debian/changelog you'll get a source package with the wrong version number. [01:43] twb: have you tried dpkg-buildpackage? [01:43] If I build it, I get version 1.79 [01:43] Yes. [01:43] seb128: right, I meant to say that he's *currently* not there [01:43] what's at the head of debian/changelog and debian/changelog.upstream respectively? [01:43] ==> changelog <== [01:43] casper (1.68+debian-3) unstable; urgency=low [01:43] [01:43] ==> changelog.upstream <== [01:43] casper (1.79) UNRELEASED; urgency=low [01:44] twb: I can't say I'm happy about renaming debian/changelog at all, but reverting that is easy enough to do. [01:44] you'll get 1.79 binaries, but a 1.68+debian-3 source [01:44] and probably a totally bogus changes file [01:44] what Keybuk said === enrico_ is now known as enrico [01:44] Keybuk: nope. [01:44] debian/changelog is hardcoded for source uploads [01:44] twb: yes. [01:44] dholbach: well, I pong with context, I don't need a reply now [01:44] Well, dpkg-buildpackage gives me a 1.79 tar.gz [01:45] where is your branch? [01:45] twb: only if you've built it previously === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:45] twb: unpack the source fresh, and then run dpkg-buildpackage in it [01:45] twb: you'll get a 1.68+debian.tar.gz [01:45] seb128: right... [01:45] Keybuk: ok [01:45] debian/changelog is completely hardcoded [01:46] Keybuk: again, I only get 1.79 files. [01:46] Keybuk: (it's not, dpkg-genchanges can be passed -l) [01:46] Keybuk: ctrl-c ctrl-\ I think - I do it automatically nowadays so don't notice [01:46] Mithrandir: but isn't by our buildds [01:46] cjwatson: http://twb.ath.cx/~twb/scratch/casper [01:46] cjwatson: but it has unresolved conflicts [01:46]