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somerville32Burgwork, ping12:26
Burgworksomerville32: pong12:26
somerville32Did UWN 24 get mailed?12:27
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Burgworknope, because work has been so nuts today12:27
somerville32Are we going to send out UWN24 and 25 tonight?12:27
Burgwork2412:28
somerville3225 is almost ready12:28
somerville32And is suppose to be shipped today12:28
somerville32But I don't see a problem is delaying it12:28
somerville32*in12:29
Burgworkyep12:29
BurgworkI don't mind shipping 24 tongith and 25 on friday and then 26 a week today12:29
somerville32k, perfect.12:29
somerville32Well, I've already started on 26.12:30
somerville32I can't do too much more on 2512:30
Burgworkok, sorry for the delay12:30
BurgworkI should probably hand off more of the UWN12:30
somerville32I dunno what there is to hand off12:31
Burgworkneed to figure out a better method for the feisty thing12:31
somerville32Mmm12:38
somerville32jenda: Still up?12:44
jendayeap12:44
somerville32Jenda: Will you make me some Ubuntu business cards? <g>12:45
jendahmm12:45
jendasomerville32: you know what...12:45
jendathat's not a bad idea...12:45
somerville32:D12:45
jendasomerville32: find me 3 other people that would be interested, that'll make 5 of us.12:45
somerville32Well, can you find out a price?12:46
somerville32:] 12:46
jendawith 200 cards apiece, we could get some serious discounting ;)12:46
somerville32Woot! :D12:46
jendaI'll try.12:46
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somerville32<g>12:46
jendahave the cards pre-printed on pre-lined A4 sheets...12:46
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jendaIs there a fixed size for cards, or can I change it a bit? :)12:48
somerville32Unknown.12:48
somerville32There is artwork already for it, you know12:48
jendayes12:49
jendabut artwork size can be altered.12:49
jendaThis could get _really_ cheap.12:49
jendawith decent quality ;)12:49
somerville32Woot :] 12:49
jendagot a piece of paper and a ruler? :)12:50
somerville32Yup.12:50
jendagot centimiters on that ruler? :)12:51
jendaTry drawing a rectangle 7.4  4.312:54
jendais that good enough for a card?12:54
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jendaMuhehe12:58
jendaI can fit 15 cards with dimensions 4.933  8 cm on an A4 sheet of paper.12:59
jendasomerville32? :)12:59
jendaMy idea is, have 300 sheets of harder paper with those cards pre-carved out of it made by the printer.12:59
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jendaand then either ship them blank to the person and email an .ods spreadsheet measured exactly for the printing (risky) or simply print out one's data on them.01:00
jendasomerville32: how much would you be willing to pay for 45 cards?01:01
somerville32Hmm...01:07
somerville326.75 USD?01:09
jendanoted01:11
jendagood.01:11
jendathat's plenty possible ;)01:11
somerville32$5 would be a nice round fee <g>01:12
jendahehe :)01:12
jendaI need some sort of margin, too.01:13
somerville32I thought you were doing this out of the kindness of your Ubuntu heart! : O01:13
somerville32Maybe $0.12 a card then plus $0.10 processing fee01:14
somerville32So that would be $5.5001:14
somerville32And make sure it is the thick paper too01:14
somerville32The good stuff01:14
jendaI'll have to get a quote on it first ;)01:15
somerville32$0.10 processing fee for every 45 cards at $0.12 per card.01:15
jendaIf I ended up 'processing' with scissors, the quality would go down rapidly, too.01:16
somerville32hehe01:16
jendaSo they need to be willing to pre-chop it up.01:16
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cellofellowsomerville32: ping06:54
somerville32pong06:54
cellofellowhttp://cellofellow.homelinux.net/ubuntu/ubuntu-leaflet-p1_cellofellow-xubuntu.svg06:55
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somerville32lol06:57
cellofellowit's a noisy little machine06:57
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cellofellowmaybe my dns got messed up again.06:57
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cellofellowyup. one minute...06:58
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cellofellows wrong with ddclient06:59
cellofellowok, try that06:59
cellofellowhttp://cellofellow.homelinux.net/ubuntu/ubuntu-leaflet-p1_cellofellow-xubuntu.svg07:00
somerville32Transx07:00
somerville32Hmmm07:00
somerville32Now it just has Kubuntu and Canonical on it :P07:00
cellofellowno Xubuntu?07:01
somerville32Nope.07:01
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cellofellowin firefox? firefox is crap for SVG that's all I see too. try inkscape or opera or konq07:02
cellofellowdo you have one of those somerville32?07:03
somerville32Nope.07:04
cellofellow:(07:04
cellofellowInstall Inkscape it's no biggie. OOo Draw might work too.07:04
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somerville32k07:05
somerville32One sec07:05
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cellofellowIt goes nicely with abiword and gnumeric07:06
Burgundaviacellofellow: because it isn't something that a lot of users need to use07:06
cellofellowok. :)07:07
cellofellowsomerville32: how's it coming?07:09
Burgundaviasomerville32: lets get this 24 out07:11
somerville32Burgundavia, Alrighty! :] 07:12
somerville32cellofellow, Visiting now07:12
somerville32OH wait...07:12
somerville32Opera just died on me07:12
somerville32:(07:12
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cellofellowjust try this page http://cellofellow.homelinux.net/ubuntu/ links to both svg pages.07:15
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somerville32:] 07:17
Burgundaviasomerville32: have we completely spell checked 24?07:17
cellofellow24?07:17
somerville32Burgundavia, I haven't but I believe that Elky did07:18
Burgundaviaok07:18
somerville32gimp can't open svgs, gah :(07:19
cellofellowgimp is raster (bitmap) images, not vectors.07:19
tonyyarussoYou can add svg capability to gimp07:20
cellofellowgimp-svg I think07:20
cellofellow!gimp-svg07:20
ubotugimp-svg: SVG (Scalable Vector Graphics) plugin for The GIMP. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.13-1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 62 kB, installed size 128 kB07:20
cellofellowbetter just to use Inkscape somerville32 07:20
cellofellowhow hard is it to get on the same page with a document?07:20
somerville32cellofellow, I have a slow slow old computer07:22
somerville32To install software, I have to stop everything I'm doing an wait because it gets so slow07:22
cellofelloweveryone else is welcome to look too if they want. http://cellofellow.homelinux.net/ubuntu07:22
cellofellowapt takes that much resources?07:22
somerville32I have a 333mhz w/ 128mb of ram07:23
somerville32I currently have 2mb of ram left and I only have xchat, gaim, firefox, and terminal open07:23
somerville32plus beep-media-player07:23
cellofellowlet me try to pdf-ize this doc.07:23
somerville32That would be perfect.07:23
somerville32:] 07:23
Burgundavia24 is out!07:23
somerville32Yeah!! :)07:23
Burgundaviafinally07:24
somerville32Onto 25? <g>07:24
cellofellowwhat's 24? elnighten the new guy.07:24
cellofellowenlighten07:24
Burgundaviaubuntu weekly news, #2407:24
cellofellowurl?07:24
Burgundaviasomerville32: one thing, remember to fix the redirect at /current07:25
somerville32Ah. k07:25
somerville32:] 07:25
somerville32Want me to do that now or did you already get it?07:25
Burgundaviaelkbuntu: ping07:26
Burgundaviaalready got it07:26
Burgundaviahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue24 <--- cellofellow07:26
cellofellowhow do I get openoffice to have SVG support? or Inkscape PDF support?07:26
Burgundaviainkscape should just do pdf07:27
cellofellowok07:27
cellofellowwhy doesn't OpenOffice do SVG? it's a standard XML format like ODD.07:28
cellofellowOpenDocument Drawing07:28
cellofellowI can't find a PDF export in Inkscape. PNG I can do though. What's a good dpi?07:30
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cellofellowsomerville32: http://cellofellow.homelinux.net/ubuntu/ubuntu-leaflet-p1_cellofellow-xubuntu.png07:34
somerville32Nice!07:36
cellofellowwhat's the rest of the marketing team here think?07:36
somerville32Marketing team... think? 07:38
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BurgundaviaI try not to07:38
Burgundaviahurts me brain, plus the cold slows it down07:38
BurgundaviaI have always found that brochure to be too bright and too wordy, but it looks good07:39
cellofellowI was just trying my hand at this stuff. Good first try then?07:39
Burgundaviaabsolutely07:42
cellofellowthanks :D07:42
cellofellowIf I'm going to be on the marketing team, should I join the Launchpad team?07:43
Burgundaviasi tu veux07:45
cellofellowok, just did.07:45
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elkbuntuugh. attack of the coreys07:57
elkbuntucellofellow, inkscape sucks at doing odd too, so it's only fair ;)07:58
cellofellow:) good point. I just thought I just might find svg in OpenOffice scrolling through all of those supported file formats. sgv came up a bit, but not svg.08:00
elkbuntucellofellow, what about ai or eps?08:00
cellofellowI don't think so.08:01
elkbuntupostscript?08:01
cellofellowI didn't look for that.08:02
cellofellowIt might be there.08:02
elkbuntuit should be fine so long as you dont have transparency08:02
Burgundavia__bleeding NM08:02
cellofellowinkscape can export to postscript with the print function. just put > /path/to/file.ps in the print dialog.08:03
elkbuntuheheh08:03
elkbuntucellofellow, i know it can, but it fails with alpha08:03
cellofellowI see.08:03
cellofellowturning ps to pdf is easy right?08:04
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Burgundaviacellofellow: inkscape will do pdf export08:07
cellofellowhow? I just can't get it to work right now.08:07
Burgundaviawhich version do you have?08:09
cellofellowInkscape 0.44 (Oct  9 2006)08:09
Burgundaviajenda: ping08:11
Burgundaviahmm, should just work08:11
Burgundaviafile a bug on it08:11
cellofellowwhere is the button to do it?08:12
Burgundaviafile a bug?08:12
cellofellowthat's my real problem, user-dunceness08:12
Burgundaviaah08:12
Burgundaviafile it in Lp08:12
cellofellownot filing bugs, printing pdf's. If it can, how do I do it?08:13
Burgundaviaah08:13
Burgundaviacellofellow: save as PDF08:14
cellofellowok08:15
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elkbuntuinkscape exported pdf for me last night quite happily08:18
cellofellow:] 08:18
cellofellowI just tried that and it looked nasty. All the text got rendered as bitmap instead of fonts.08:21
cellofellownever mind found that option08:21
cellofellowbut now all the text is gone. :( this isn't working out too well08:22
Burgundaviapdf export is not optimal08:23
cellofellowIs there a way to just print to pdf?08:24
cellofellowset up a PDF printer? 08:24
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rhkfinHi people, you're doing great job! To who can I submit some LoCo news to possibly be released in the next UWN?09:27
tonyyarussorhkfin: There's an "Ideas" page on the wiki, drop it on there.09:28
rhkfinok, will do. Thank's!09:28
tonyyarussorhkfin: Also, you could check the list of editors and "beats", and try to ping whoever's doing community news (Cody?)09:29
jendaBurgundavia: pong09:30
jendaBurgwork: pong09:30
Burgundaviajenda: hey09:30
somerville32jenda: I thought you ere going to bed.09:31
jendasomerville32: I got up already.09:32
somerville32jenda: Maybe it's time for me to go to bed then?09:32
jendasomerville32: probably ;)09:33
rhkfintonyyarusso: here?: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Ideas 09:33
jendasomerville32: way past, in fact.09:33
tonyyarussorhkfin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Ideas - there09:34
rhkfinok09:34
Burgundaviarhkfin: elkbuntu does loco team news09:34
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Admiral_ChicagoBurgundavia: ping11:00
Admiral_Chicagoor actually who worked on on the UWN11:00
tonyyarussoAdmiral_Chicago: Is there an error?11:01
Admiral_Chicagotonyyarusso: no, i would just like to make a revision to the Kurdish / Ubuntu section11:01
Admiral_Chicagoerr an update really11:02
tonyyarussoah11:02
tonyyarussoWell, if it's an update maybe it should go in the next one, doncha think?11:02
Admiral_ChicagoIt seems like the article should read something like "the local team, (ubuntu etc) was not implicated in any way and was never in any harm's way"11:03
Admiral_Chicagowhatever the case may be11:03
tonyyarussoah11:04
tonyyarussoWell, try pinging him when it's not 2 AM there I guess11:05
tonyyarussoAlthough you and I are both up later than that ;)11:05
Admiral_Chicagoit left me in suspense, i know the story but not everyone knows the outcome11:05
Admiral_Chicagotonyyarusso: true11:05
Admiral_Chicagotonyyarusso: congrats on the membership btw11:06
poningruah awesome11:10
Admiral_Chicagogotta run and do work11:11
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pschulz01Wah?11:32
pschulz01ahh.. mixing the metaphores.11:32
omgponiezlol?11:33
pschulz01I figure out what your nic was..11:34
pschulz01:-)11:34
omgponiezlolha, i enjoy it11:34
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jendaMenZa!03:52
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newz2000Hey, just wanted to say, great job on the UWN. The last couple have been packed with good info and really helps me get a feel for what else is going on in the community. Thanks.04:22
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jendahehe :)04:23
tonyyarussoawesome04:23
jendaBurgundavia^04:23
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pittihi04:38
pittiis any Ubuntu Weekly News editor here? It seems that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Ideas is obsolete; where to send suggestions to?04:38
tonyyarussopitti: That is the proper page, it merely hasn't been made use of recently.  However, you are the second person today with that question.  Please add yours there, and I will try to clean up the page so that it is more obvious that it has a purpose.  :)04:42
tonyyarussoLooks like we're starting to reach that critical mass of readership where we start getting input, which is awesome!04:42
pittitonyyarusso: ah, great, thank you04:43
pittitonyyarusso: in particular I wanted to add a pointer to 'new feature foo, please test' announcements04:43
tonyyarussopitti: Oo, cool.04:43
pittitonyyarusso: I sent them to ubuntu-devel@, I'm not sure whether you scan that list for news anyway or it's better to add it to Ideas04:44
pittior, whether you want to get spammed with those kinds of announcements in the first place :)04:44
tonyyarussopitti: We try to watch as much as we can, but as a general rule we'd be more likely to catch stuff on -devel-announce.04:44
pittitonyyarusso: ah, I see; I'm not sure that new features are important enough for -announce04:44
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pittitonyyarusso: and since u-devel@ is now much less crowded, I decided for that04:45
pittitonyyarusso: me too :/04:45
tonyyarussopitti: Maybe some sort of [UWN!!!]  flag in the subject line? ;)04:45
pittitonyyarusso: ok, if you prefer stuff on Ideas, then I just add a line with a pointer04:45
pittitonyyarusso: [UWN]  -> yay procmail :004:46
pitti:) even04:46
tonyyarussopitti: ubuntu-marketing@ would also work, as well as dropping some kind of comment on Gobby04:46
tonyyarussoOr the wiki page, depending on the stage of editing04:46
pittitonyyarusso: hm, I don't feel like destroying the current editing version; what would you prefer, CC'ing -marketing@ or adding to the Ideas wiki page?04:47
tonyyarussopitti: atm, CC'ing -marketing is probably more effective, just b/c of the current state.  I would like to get the Ideas page relevant again though, so if you throw it both places it will get both a) noticed, and b) help others realize it's a good spot04:49
pittitonyyarusso: alright. thanks for the suggestions!04:49
tonyyarussoThank you for the input!04:49
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seaLnehiya i was wondering what the best way of getting new behindubuntu interviews mentioned in the newletter was?05:13
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tonyyarussoseaLne: Drop them on the Ideas page for it.05:16
tonyyarussoseaLne: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Ideas05:16
seaLnei just had a look and it didn't seem to have been edited in a few months05:17
seaLneso i was thinking that wasn't the way now05:17
tonyyarussoseaLne: You're absolutely correct - but you're now the third person today with that type of question, so I hope to revive it :)  It's just that we weren't really getting idea submissions, and were having to find stuff on our own.05:18
tonyyarussoThis way is so much cooler :)05:18
tonyyarussoseaLne: You could also hit up the -marketing mailing list if you'd like05:18
seaLneok added to wiki05:25
MenZahey jenda05:26
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tonyyarussoWhoa.  We even got a high-five from Mark for the latest UWN05:36
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Burgworktonyyarusso: that we did06:56
Burgworktonyyarusso: please turn off your away message :)06:56
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Burgworksubscriptions to ubuntu-news are way up07:36
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beunohellos08:06
jendayo beuno08:07
beunohow's it going?08:08
jendatired08:08
jendajust came back from a seminar.08:08
beuno;D08:18
beunodo you know if there's any news on the webpage?08:18
jendathere would be, if I got bzr working :)08:19
beunoooops08:20
beunoheh, ok ok08:20
beunoI've been playing with some PHP stuff, but I'm waiting for a *frontend* on the howto section to really give it a start08:21
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jendaa frontend?08:25
beunoyeah, the CSS layout08:26
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jendaWait, he doesn't!08:30
beunolol08:31
beunowell08:31
beunoI just figured it out08:31
beunoso I guess that's all that matters  ;D08:32
beunogoing to get something working by friday08:32
beunogonno try at least08:32
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jendaAAARGH10:50
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jendaI just lost $30 on currency fluctuations :/10:51
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beuno8|10:52
beunonot very fun...10:53
jendaFortunately, I made 220 on the stuff.10:54
jendaso That leaves $190 for marketing :l10:54
jendathat sucks, a bit, but it still leaves something.10:54
jendaLemme see if I lost anything on the euros.10:54
beunoselling what?10:58
tsmitheevening10:59
jendaposters and stickers10:59
jendabeuno: I don't consider the cash mine.11:00
tsmithejenda, you're into currency trading too?11:00
jendatsmithe: since y'all pay in USD, and I bought the stuff in CZK, what choice do I have?11:00
tsmitheoh11:00
beunogot it11:00
tsmithei thought you were looking for a profit :)11:00
tsmithei've gotta start doing that...11:00
jendahehe11:01
tsmithedid i pay in usd?11:02
jendatsmithe: I think the margin is a bit too low to interest you.11:02
tsmitheyeah11:02
jendatsmithe: dunno, might've been euro.11:02
=== tsmithe thinks that as well
tsmithei think i paid in euros yeah... but not czk11:02
jendaI made them $190 on an investment of about $60011:02
tsmithecool11:02
tsmithei'm sure if i waited long enough the dollar would go up to around 60. meaning about 5p in the pound profit... or 5% :)11:03
jendaI doubt it.11:03
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jendaBut someone did just gain my $30, somewhere :)11:03
beunojenda, how does Ubuntu handle all this type of things?11:04
jendabeuno: it doesn't :)11:04
beunoWe want to make posters and tshirts and all that to sell here11:04
jendathat's where the DIY project comes in.11:04
jendaDo It Yourself11:04
beunobut I'm not sure if that's going to conflict somehow11:04
jendaAll finances are private.11:04
jendaNot at all, it's exactly what I want you to do :)11:04
beunoreally?11:05
beunothat would be a good way to finance the LoCo...11:05
jendaAnd Canonical seems to support it, at least quietly, in a way.11:05
jendayes, you can do that.11:05
beunooh, cause I know Mozilla doesn't11:05
jendaJust make sure you're being transparent about it.11:05
jendaI will publish all my finances on the DIY site once it's done.11:05
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jendabeuno: what's your primary language?11:05
beunospanish11:06
jendawooo11:06
jendaAnd would you be interested in making and selling spanish posters?11:06
beunoabsolutely11:06
beunoI can finance some of it myself to get it started11:06
beunoin fact...11:06
beunoI have a branch in spain (I'm in argentina) so maybe I can distribute them there too...11:07
tsmithei could do english posters :)11:07
=== tsmithe jests
jendameh11:09
jenda$148, it looks like :(11:09
jendaa few more payments might come in, I s'pose, but not budging much from there.11:10
jendaIt's still cash, though :)11:10
tsmithe(to the side) who's he talking to?11:10
tsmithehi jenda :)11:10
beunojenda, so how can I help with this?11:11
jendaget the swag design from doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing11:11
jendaredesign it for spanish...11:11
jendaget it printed...11:11
jendasell.11:11
jendayou can keep the money.11:11
tsmithe$$$11:11
beunolol11:12
jendaIf you use it for the locoteam... that's perfect :)11:12
beunowhere can I send the redesign so others con use it?11:12
jendaI used it to pay for ubuntuforums.org vBulletin license and DNS hosting for next year :)11:12
jendaand I still have those $$ left for marketing.11:12
jendabeuno: me :)11:12
jendaI'll upload them there.11:12
beunocool11:13
jendaAnd it'll all be on the DIY website, eventually.11:13
beunogreat11:13
jenda(BTW, anyone can upload them once they join the marketing team in launchpad)11:13
beunoI'm starting to get an idea of how this works11:13
tsmithejenda, i know11:13
jendabeuno: feel free to do anything with english text, too.11:13
tsmithewhen i have something to upload, i'll go11:13
beunoI've been in the launchpam MT for a while now11:13
tsmithe"wow! that's so cool!"11:13
beunoMartin Albisetti11:13
jendacool11:14
jendabeuno: next step, learn bzr :)11:14
jendaand ssh11:14
beunoyes, I've been fighting with it all day11:14
beunossh and stuff I can do11:14
beunoI manage a few linux servers11:14
beunoso I know my way around the console11:14
jendacool ;)11:14
beunomuch better then the GUI  ;D11:14
tsmithefo sho11:14
jendaWell, unless you become a massproducing swag-spewing machine, you don't really have to worry about it :)11:15
jendaDan and I can do it ;)11:15
beunowell, I'm gonno run this by the LoCo members and see what they think11:15
beunoyeah, that would be great at first11:15
beunountil I can understand how it works well enough not to break anything11:16
jendabeuno: BTW, once you have it ready, fill me in on the details...11:16
tsmitheand me11:16
tsmithei wanna be up to date on all the goss11:16
jendabeuno: it's possible that printing here and the entire pack to you would be cheaper than printing there ;)11:16
beunoyou think so?11:16
tsmithemore likely than not11:16
beunomaybe it will be the other way around11:17
tsmithehes in czechorepublic11:17
jendabeuno: If, however, anyone in the LoCo owns a printer.... ;)11:17
beunoI'm in Argentina11:17
jendaShouldn't matter - we can compare the prices anyway.11:17
jenda;)11:17
beunoyeah11:17
beunowell11:17
beunolet's see11:17
beunoI made tshirts a while back with text on em for 4.5 us dollars11:18
beunoper tshirt11:18
jendabut what quality?11:18
jenda(BTW, that's very cheap ;))11:18
beunopretty good, I've washed the one I used over 30 times and still is perfect11:18
beunoyeah, Argentina ir really cheap right now11:18
beunois11:18
jendaYeah, Argentina is a good country for this too :)11:18
jenda(BTW, shipping prices are an issue too)11:19
beunoyes11:19
beunothat's a different story11:19
jendashipping a shirt from here costs cca $411:19
jendaanywhere11:19
jendapar avion ;)11:19
tsmithebeuno, that's an amazing price11:19
tsmithehere it's more like 511:19
tsmitheso 8$11:19
beunoyeap11:20
beunoand I only made 5011:20
tsmithewow11:20
beunoI guess the price lowers11:20
tsmithethat was for 10011:20
beunofor more11:20
tsmitheindeedy11:20
beunoit was the classic "no, I won't fix your computer" one11:20
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jendahehe11:21
jendabeuno: I will be making shirts soon, but I'll be aiming for higher quality.11:21
beunoI got pretty tired of getting asked if I could take a look at...11:21
jendaPolo shirts, too.11:21
beunooh, REALLY high quality11:21
jendawell, quality that'll make you wear it because it's a t-shirt, not because it has Ubuntu on it :)11:22
beunoit's a good angle11:22
=== tsmithe likes a decent shirt
tsmitheand i said decent11:23
tsmithenot crappy11:23
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=== tsmithe muses
tsmithehmm11:23
jendahehe11:24
tsmithewell, after that kind of outburst, i had to make it feel less awkward in here!11:25
beunolol11:25
tsmithewow awkward is a word where both syllables have a "w"11:25
tsmithei never noticed english having so many "w"s before11:25
=== tsmithe muses
tsmithehmm11:26
tsmithei'll just go talk to a scarecrow11:26
jendatsmithe: I noticed.11:26
jendaI do keyboard layouts :/11:27
jendait makes my life difficult :)11:27
tsmithe:)11:27
tsmitheqwerty11:27
tsmitheright next to e11:27
tsmithebut how do you mean "do"?11:27
jendaI use my own customised dvorakish layout.11:28
jendaAnd I'm working on a full Czech dvorak layout.11:28
jendaTotally impossible task :/11:28
jendaand I'm also trying to make the 21st century Czech keyboard, which expects you to type English quite often as well as Czech.11:29
jendaW is very common in E11:29
jendaNEVER used in C11:29
jenda:/11:29
jendaas are FG and Q.11:29
tsmitheawk11:30
tsmithethat's a lot of hacking you'd have to do11:30
tsmithei hate having to do accents and umlauts11:30
tsmithestupid crappy keyboards11:30
tsmithethey're a rubbish medium anyway11:31
jendahehe11:31
jendanot if you set them up right :)11:31
tsmithereally?11:32
tsmithehow can i do it11:32
jendause xmodmap :)11:32
jendaman xmodmap11:33
jendaand:11:33
jendanano /usr/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.<languagecode>11:33
tsmithehuh does that help with accents?11:33
tsmithereally?11:33
tsmithehow?11:33
tsmithehmm11:33
tsmithei use it for multimedia keys11:34
jendait's quite tough to master, really ;)11:34
tsmithei know11:34
tsmithethat's why i stopped there11:34
jendabut once you know your way around, it can do anything to your keyboard.11:34
jenda  11:34
tsmithewow11:34
tsmithe"i'll do anything for you, dear, anything, for you, dear, anything... anything?... anything for you!"11:35
tsmithe...11:35
somerville32Did you guys read Mark's letter?11:35
tsmithewhich one?11:35
somerville32The one praising UWN24 :D11:35
=== somerville32 gleams.
tsmitheah yeah11:36
tsmithei read it11:36
tsmithecongrats11:36
tsmithe:)11:36
jenda - teh bt eekly es11:36
jenda:)11:36
tsmithehey that's a crazy kind of "w"11:36
tsmitheall curly and junk11:36
=== tsmithe wants utf "w"s
somerville32:D11:36
tsmithen11:37
jendasomerville32: Actually, I accidentally deleted that letter from the ubnutu-marketing list queue, so I had to ask him to resend it :)11:37
tsmitheand that n11:37
tsmithe!11:37
jendatsmithe: it's an 'omega'11:37
tsmitheah11:37
somerville32Doh!11:37
tsmitheyou fool11:37
tsmithe!11:37
beunojenda, FYI, I got to talk to dan for a while over jabber and we're back on track   ;D11:38
jendacool 11:38
jendatsmithe: :)11:38
tsmithe:)11:38
jendatsmithe: maybe it was a subconscious excuse to write to Mark ;)11:39
tsmithe:D11:39
somerville32"Thanks, Corey & co!"11:43
somerville32Yeah for us!11:43
Burgworksomerville32: congrats on your hard work11:45
Burgworkcongrats on all our hard work11:45
somerville32Thanks! :)11:45
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jendaBurgwork, somerville32, the team: congrats ;)11:59
tsmithenow that's not just a "bit" late12:00
tsmithehey wait12:00
tsmitheah12:00
tsmitheit's only ten minutes12:00
tsmithecarry on12:00
tsmithe:)12:00
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=== tsmithe continues talking to the scarecrow
tsmithe...12:00
jendalol ;)12:02

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