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steveywonder1986hi all09:18
steveywonder1986can somebody help me?09:18
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cbx33ping ogra10:41
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cbx33hey willvdl11:29
willvdlhey.11:29
willvdlmy internot is crunchy today11:29
cbx33:(11:30
cbx33define cruncy in technological terms11:30
Kamping_Kaiser:(11:30
willvdllike lumpy peanut butter11:30
cbx33heheh11:30
cbx33eeeewwwwwww11:31
Kamping_Kaiser:S11:31
willvdlcan't get mail off my server11:31
willvdlneed to reboot. back in a tick11:32
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cbx33ping ogra ;)12:06
willvdlmy hat. struggled with a silly SSL popup that denied me from using my irc client12:06
willvdlhad to physically remove the SSL certs and restart12:07
cbx33heh12:08
cbx33but you're back now12:08
willvdlhighvoltage, ping12:32
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willvdlwoops, must write up minutes from yesterday12:43
willvdlcbx33: can I merge https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingRecords and https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingRecordsNew?12:44
ograwillvdl, no12:46
ograthrow the old ones away or archive them somewhere12:46
willvdldefinately archive12:46
ograhttps://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingRecordsNew should be the current one12:46
ograiirc12:46
willvdlogra, it's just the name "New"12:46
willvdlso when I mean merge I really mean to say make RecordsNew -> Records12:47
willvdland Records -> archived12:47
ograright12:47
willvdlcool, thanks12:47
ograperfect :)12:47
willvdlneed to fix some links to our records too12:48
willvdlactually, there are references all over ubuntu to irc logs, agendas and minutes... not all of them are in the same place12:48
ograright12:49
ograall of them were set up by separate people or groups12:49
ogralets just keep ours under EdubuntuMeetingRecords and not care for other locations ...12:49
willvdlyip. thinking of splitting into sub-pages, either by year, month or by meeting12:50
ograyear/month sounds right12:51
ograwhy by meeting ? we only have one kind of meetings atm ...12:51
ograat least there wasnt any handbook meeting for quite some time12:52
willvdlnew subpage for each meeting but I think that is unnecessary12:52
ograyeah12:52
willvdlogra, what is https://wiki.edubuntu.org/MeetingLogs/Edubuntu ?12:56
ograhttps://wiki.edubuntu.org/MeetingLogs/Edubuntu?action=info12:57
ograwho is ausimage ?12:57
willvdlhe is doc-team guy looking into automating more irc log stuff12:57
ogralooks like raw logs12:58
willvdlhttps://wiki.edubuntu.org/Ausimage12:59
willvdlhttps://wiki.edubuntu.org/MeetingLogs <-- instructions :)12:59
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willvdlurk, looks like work01:00
willvdlunless he can automate it...01:00
willvdlwhich, technically is quite possible with a few regex's and a verbal bot01:01
willvdlhttps://wiki.edubuntu.org/MeetingSummarySpec seems to head that way01:05
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cbx3ogra: you still around01:05
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cbx33sorry willvdl was afk01:06
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willvdlurk. meeting logs are in but I'll have to do minutes tonight. gotto run02:40
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bddebianHeya03:36
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sbalneavGood morning all!04:18
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SimonAnibalMorning, sbalneav04:35
sbalneavMonring SimonAnibal04:35
SimonAnibalHow's life?04:35
bddebianHeya sbalneav04:36
sbalneavWell, big project at work coming to a head on January 2, so busy busy around here.04:37
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sbalneavHey ogra, got a second to discuss powebuttons?  What do you think we'd need to thow into the chroot to get proper acpi events from users pressing powebuttons, and doing a "clean" shutdown on the terminals?  I tried installing hal, but that didn't seem to do it.  Any ideas?04:47
sbalneavogra: ping04:50
ograsbalneav, later please, distro meeting now (and another one afterwards)04:50
sbalneavah04:51
sbalneavk04:51
sbalneavsry04:51
ograsbalneav, whats the status of ltsp-persistent-home ?05:05
sbalneavI've tested the implementation, it appears to work fine.05:09
sbalneavPitti should do a code review05:09
sbalneavOther than that, I think it's done.05:09
ograoki05:09
ograi wonder if moquist knows about gnome-reset05:10
sbalneavHmm, dunno05:11
ograhttp://blogs.gnome.org/view/rodrigo/2006/01/24/0 seems like what he wanted for resetting sessions05:11
sbalneavOoooh05:12
sbalneavooooooohhh05:12
sbalneavoooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh05:12
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ogranot sure how the status of it is ...05:13
ograbut its in universe05:13
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sbalneavI'll have to play around with it a bit.  I can already see the ui's a bit of a problem, but not anything major.05:18
sbalneavit does seem to back up settings!05:18
ogranice05:19
sbalneavbrb, have to log out and log in to enable TCP for my xwindows :)05:19
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stgraberhi05:52
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cbx33ping sbalneav06:39
sbalneavpong cbx3306:42
sbalneavWhat's up?06:42
cbx33sbalneav, docs ltsp06:42
cbx33https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWindowsDHCP06:42
cbx33https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPMultiboot?highlight=%28Multiboot%2906:43
cbx33worth adding to the handbook06:43
cbx33i know you worked on the ltsp docs06:43
ogranot the multiboot in this state please, its not complete06:43
cbx33no no...this is slightly different06:44
ograand i'm not sure how official ppc will be supported in the future ... (or if i find the time to care for ppc ltsp if we drop support)06:44
cbx33ogra, its not true multiboot06:44
cbx33needs name changing06:44
cbx33it's too enable PXe and boot off hdd too06:44
ograoh, i mixed it up with multiarch06:44
cbx33yes06:44
cbx33;)06:44
cbx33ogra got time tonight for meeting?06:44
sbalneavI think he's in several now :)06:44
sbalneavLooks good, btw06:44
ograin 1-2h please, i need to recover a bit from a long day first06:44
cbx33sure06:44
cbx33I'll do my best06:45
cbx33sbalneav, did you wanna add them06:45
cbx33or did you want me06:45
ograsbalneav, no, actually it seems i'm done now06:45
sbalneavSure, I can add them06:45
cbx33ogra, great news about BETT eh?06:45
ogranews ? beyond what we discussed in the meeting ?06:45
sbalneavYoure done with meetings?  Are you taking a break break, or can we talk about power buttons for 5-10?06:45
ografor power buttons we'll need desktop communication again ...06:46
ograthe power button needs to bring up the logout dialog06:46
ograi wanted to look into that, but seems like we'll need another communication layer for it ... also the shutdown option from the logout dialog needs to trigger the client06:47
cbx33dbus?06:47
ograchanging the acpi scripts to do *something* is trivial though06:47
sbalneavHmm, I'd just like something simple, like they log out, then press the power button and the machine just does a "shutdown -h now"06:48
ograthats easy06:48
sbalneavAh, where would I start looking?06:48
ograthe important part is that the button needs either be ignored if someone is logged in or needs to communicate to the session06:48
ogralook at the acpi scripts06:48
sbalneavok06:49
ograthey are used as long as gnome-power-manager isnt installed06:49
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willvdlcbx33, you said yesterday in meeting that you "blogged" something. Where is your blog?07:14
highvoltagewillvdl: pong07:26
willvdlwoot07:26
willvdlmissed you at meeting07:26
willvdlwould really love your advice07:26
highvoltagesorry, had another meeting at the same time I could not postpone :/07:27
cbx33willvdl, hi07:27
willvdlhey07:27
cbx33http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/07:27
highvoltagewillvdl: btw, about the docteam page on launchpad, can you try editing it again? it should work now, afaict07:27
cbx33sorry07:27
cbx33I'm on planet too07:28
willvdlcbx33, found it :)07:28
cbx33;)07:28
willvdlhighvoltage, which one again?07:28
willvdlhttps://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-doc?07:29
cbx33darn it.....where is RichEd when you need him07:29
highvoltagewillvdl: yes07:29
willvdloh, you made me owner07:29
highvoltageyep, I think that should do the job07:29
willvdlLP's permissions are a bit restrictive at the mo :(07:29
highvoltageif not, pest the people on #launchpad ;)07:29
willvdldaily :] 07:29
cbx33willvdl, howz it coming along07:30
willvdlvery hungover and had to nip out this afternoon07:30
willvdlwill put in a quick hour or two07:31
highvoltagei think launchpad's restrictiveness to users is understandable, launchpad is still early alpha software and you wouldn't want to do something that can bring in security threats.07:31
cbx33hehehe07:31
cbx33hungover....willvdl....surely not ;)07:31
cbx33highvoltage, ++07:31
cbx33ogra, ready when you are07:31
highvoltagewillvdl: I can understand how you feel, I got a bit sunburned today and probably feel similar to what you are feeling atm :)07:31
willvdlyeah. I still like it though. the concept at least07:31
willvdlyou burn easily boet07:32
highvoltageyeah07:32
willvdlI mainly need to catch up on sleep07:32
highvoltageI always need to :)07:32
highvoltagewill do that when I'm dead.07:33
cbx33that's a good way of looking at things I suppose highvoltage07:33
cbx33oh highvoltage btw where is edubuntugirl these days?07:33
willvdlI just don't want death to come too early07:34
willvdlhe hogging her07:34
highvoltagecbx33: ooh, good that you remind me07:34
highvoltagecbx33: I moved over the weekend and need to get that pc up and running07:35
cbx33please please ;)07:35
highvoltagecbx33: will do tonight :)07:35
cbx33hehe07:35
cbx33several times wanted to leave messages for people ;)07:35
willvdlcant ubou do that too?07:36
willvdlubotu, tell cbx33 that you might be able to07:36
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about  tell cbx33 that you might be able to - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:36
cbx33hehehe07:37
cbx33ubotu tell willvdl no07:37
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about  tell willvdl no - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:37
cbx33;)07:37
willvdlhighvoltage,can't really tell difference between "owner" and "administrator"07:40
willvdlwhat I wanted was to add info on the "Details" section of th LP page07:40
cbx33i think one can change details the other cant07:41
Burgworkwillvdl: only difference is that owner can delete list, I think07:41
cbx33oh my mistake07:41
willvdlseems so07:41
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cbx33am I still part of that list?07:46
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willvdlyip07:47
cbx33willvdl, got a sec?07:50
willvdlyip07:51
cbx33https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BETTShow2007 - I need to start the new wiki page for edubuntu BETT200707:51
cbx33that was my proposal page07:51
cbx33should I clear it?07:51
cbx33as the proposal as there was rejected07:51
cbx33and is no longer required07:51
cbx33pign ogra07:51
willvdlnot wuite with you07:51
cbx33well I wrote that ages ago....07:52
cbx33to convince canonical to go to bet07:52
cbx33BETT07:52
cbx33but then rejected it07:52
cbx33now though I need to write up a page for going to BETT as we are going07:52
cbx33I wanted to use that page for it07:52
willvdloh, right. well if it serves no real purpose then sure, I would clean it up07:52
cbx33ok07:52
cbx33thanks dude07:52
willvdlhighvoltage, I was going through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuCommunityIntegration07:57
willvdllooking at web, looking at wiki etc07:57
willvdland was wondering how do we seperate what info goes on the wiki and what goes on the drupal site?07:57
highvoltagewillvdl: what we've come to do, is to put static information on the site, and wiki pages that have evolved to a point where they won't really change any more07:59
highvoltagewillvdl: 'stable' pages, if you will07:59
highvoltagewillvdl: and all pages under development stays on wiki07:59
highvoltagewillvdl: it's not set in stone, and as documentation manager you are free of course to change it as you see fit07:59
willvdllike the frontpage, contact info and links to important wiki pages?07:59
highvoltagewillvdl: something like that08:00
cbx33highvoltage, shouoldn't those static pages go on the help wiki?08:00
highvoltagewillvdl: the frontpage isn't as effective as it can be, but it used to be in quite a bad shape a while back. cbx33 made some big improvements to it recently.08:00
willvdlwell, I have no intention of changing anything, just cleaning out the old or duplicated stuff08:00
highvoltagecbx33: yes, the help wiki only came afterwards though08:00
willvdlyou mean help.u.c?08:01
cbx33willvdl, yes08:01
cbx33willvdl, it's a big job08:01
cbx33I started it08:01
cbx33but never got round to finishing08:01
willvdlI think not. as I understand h.u.c is for help info and wiki.u.c is for planning, teams, LP spec pages etc08:01
cbx33everyone.....the BETT show wiki page is up and awaiting comments, I'm goign to try to distill the ideas that were brought up in the meeting onto the page08:02
cbx33https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BETTShow200708:03
cbx33willvdl, do you have that wiki you wanted me to start planning handy08:03
cbx33ping ogra08:03
willvdlwhich one, the ESA?08:03
cbx33yes08:03
cbx33the planning08:03
cbx33the page yo uwanted me to work on08:03
cbx33that I han't yet :#08:03
cbx33just got some catch up time08:03
willvdlwell, lets sue the old ESA one and we can always move and redirect or what ever later08:04
cbx33ok08:04
willvdlhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy08:04
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cbx33hey LaserJock08:04
cbx33got it08:05
willvdlhighvoltage, the Edubuntu Website Team could do something like the Ubuntu Wiki Team for the drupal site08:05
LaserJockah, just the man I was looking for08:05
cbx33who?08:05
willvdlmeaning, get bugs and specs registered in LP for web thingies and assign to the team08:05
highvoltagecbx33: I don't know, I'm a bit scared that it's me :)08:06
highvoltagewillvdl: yes, that sounds good08:06
cbx33heheh08:07
willvdlbtw, still want to see your new tuxlab distro08:08
highvoltagewillvdl: riched mentioned a beer-up soon, I'll bring along a disc then08:08
willvdloooh. unfortunately Morgan is outa town08:09
willvdlhttp://makeithappen.computeraid.org/08:09
highvoltagei'm in hermanus next week too08:09
highvoltagebut i think we can get together at some point just after that, at least08:10
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LaserJock?08:12
highvoltageyou said "21:05 < LaserJock> ah, just the man I was looking for08:12
highvoltage"08:12
highvoltageand kept us in suspense :)08:12
LaserJockah sorry, was looking for cbx3308:12
cbx33hehe08:12
cbx33sorry guys I should have said08:12
highvoltage:)08:12
highvoltageno worries!08:12
willvdlhighvoltage,I was scared he was filling up a huge text entry buffer...08:12
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willvdl3pg essay08:13
highvoltageheh08:13
LaserJockhah08:13
cbx33willvdl, did you get a chance to look at the minutes yet?08:14
willvdlon it at the mo08:15
cbx33dud eyou rock08:15
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cbx33hey Amaranth08:18
Amaranthhey08:18
willvdlwoot08:19
cbx33doe anyone have access to the edubuntu.org site08:19
cbx33where have my editing privs gone08:19
cbx33I have noticed a spelling mistake and was going to correct it08:20
cbx33highvoltage, you still have access?08:20
highvoltagecbx33: yep08:22
highvoltagecbx33: you should have too?08:22
cbx33no08:22
cbx33I can't edit anything08:22
cbx33just view and track08:22
sbalneavogra: still awake?08:25
LaserJockis Richard or willvdl around?08:25
willvdlyip08:25
LaserJockwillvdl: I'm just reading over the meeting log08:26
willvdluhuh?08:26
LaserJockperhaps some issues with help.u.c vs wiki.u.c vs. doc.u.c need to be cleared up08:26
cbx33sbalneav, I'm hoping so08:26
cbx33I hope to have a meeting with him later ;)08:26
willvdlI think so08:26
LaserJockhelp.u.c is where *all* user help/documentation should reside08:27
sbalneavI just found the 3 commands needed to make ACPI power button shutoff work in thin clients.08:27
LaserJockit holds both the shipped (static) docs in HTML and PDF and the help wiki08:27
cbx33sbalneav, w00t08:27
cbx33oh sbalneav that's what I wanted to ask08:27
cbx33can we have a client reboot button for ldm?08:27
LaserJockwiki.u.c is used for development collaboration/ spec planning/ etc.08:27
sbalneavsudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 ; mount -t proc proc /ptoc ; apt-get install acpi-support08:27
LaserJockpeople are not supposed to be putting help docs on wiki.u.c08:28
sbalneavreboot as opposed to power down?08:28
willvdlLaserJock, that's how I understood it08:28
LaserJockthe move from wiki.u.c to help.u.c was a one time thing08:28
cbx33sbalneav, yes08:28
cbx33I have a few machines      thathave no access to pwoer button08:28
cbx33I restart via WOL08:28
cbx33start sorry08:29
sbalneavHmmm, that's just a ui thing.  It just needs to get added to ldm.08:29
sbalneavldm's in python.08:29
cbx33yeh taht's what I thought08:29
willvdlLaserJock, I guess a better explanation should go on DocTeam wiki page08:29
cbx33oooh?08:29
cbx33really?08:29
sbalneavyeah08:29
cbx33maybe I'll patch it08:29
cbx33I know python08:29
sbalneavso quit whinin' and get busy :)08:29
cbx33sbalneav, what pacakge do I need to get ;)08:29
sbalneavpython-boy08:29
LaserJockwillvdl: edubuntu help docs should end up on help.u.c08:29
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LaserJockwillvdl: wiki or static08:29
sbalneavUmm, it's part of a whole bunch of stuff.08:30
cbx33sbalneav, you sure you don;t mind sorting those ltps docs....I can do it if it's easier....just tell me where you want it ;)08:30
sbalneavBest bet would be start by playing around in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ldm, then mail a patch to ollie08:30
cbx33ok08:30
cbx33thanks sbalneav08:30
sbalneavNo, I'll sort the docs out.08:31
cbx33ok cool08:31
sbalneavwhen's deadline for docs?08:31
sbalneavdo I have a couple of months?08:32
cbx33sure....afaik08:32
cbx33ping ogra08:36
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cbx33willvdl, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy#preview08:49
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cbx33hey pirast09:03
pirastcbx33, hi!09:03
pirastedubuntu works fine now .-)09:04
pirastin the holidays, i will present it to the teacher who is responsible for the labs :-)09:04
cbx33coool09:04
cbx33sorry ogra gonna have to post pone09:12
willvdlpirast, woot09:26
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cbx33willvdl, does that look ok?10:35
willvdlyeah. ball is rolling ++10:35
willvdlminutes are in10:35
willvdlsomeday I'll sub-page and archive the minutes but it is really low priority right now...10:36
willvdlYou know what would be nice?10:36
cbx33what?10:36
cbx33anyone around....I have a vmware server and a vmware client....but the client won't finish booting10:36
cbx33gets' to the last little bit then replaces the top left corner of the screen with a section of the progress bar10:37
cbx33and never loads ldm10:37
cbx33any ideas anyone?10:37
willvdlhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ has nice colour features10:37
cbx33yeh10:38
cbx33I know what you mean10:38
willvdlhttps://wiki.edubuntu.org/MeetingLogs/Edubuntu_2006-12-13 doesn't10:38
cbx33I thought of like a drag and drop minute maker10:38
willvdlshould be trivial to script it10:38
willvdlooooh10:38
willvdlsimple python script with a gui?10:38
cbx33yes10:38
cbx33so you load the minutes in one side10:39
cbx33and drag the important ones to the other window10:39
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willvdlload the log you mean?10:39
willvdlhttps://wiki.edubuntu.org/MeetingLogs --> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Ausimage10:40
willvdl^^^ sounds like he wants to automate stuff10:40
willvdlsigh, just can't keep up timezones with Americans and Australians...10:40
cbx33indeed10:41
LaserJockhmm, and I thought it was the British and South Africans that had the problem ;-)10:43
willvdlwe do. trying to keep up with both sides of the globe!10:44
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willvdlok outa here. exhausted10:52
cbx33ok10:52
willvdltomorrow is wiki cleanup day!10:52
cbx33yay10:52
cbx33I'll try to help out all I can10:52
willvdlnotice how http://www.edubuntu.org/ and https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki try to be the same thing10:53
willvdlbut are different :)10:53
willvdlI reckon EdubuntuWiki front page should just be "site map" of sorts.10:54
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