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[11:29] my internot is crunchy today [11:30] :( [11:30] define cruncy in technological terms [11:30] :( [11:30] like lumpy peanut butter [11:30] heheh [11:31] eeeewwwwwww [11:31] :S [11:31] can't get mail off my server [11:32] need to reboot. back in a tick === willvdl [n=will@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === willvdl [n=will@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === willvdl [n=will@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548ACDE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === willvdl [n=will@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ is now known as ogra === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === willvdl [n=will@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === willvdl [n=will@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [12:06] ping ogra ;) [12:06] my hat. struggled with a silly SSL popup that denied me from using my irc client [12:07] had to physically remove the SSL certs and restart [12:08] heh [12:08] but you're back now [12:32] highvoltage, ping === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.21.97] has joined #edubuntu [12:43] woops, must write up minutes from yesterday [12:44] cbx33: can I merge https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingRecords and https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingRecordsNew? [12:46] willvdl, no [12:46] throw the old ones away or archive them somewhere [12:46] definately archive [12:46] https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingRecordsNew should be the current one [12:46] iirc [12:46] ogra, it's just the name "New" [12:47] so when I mean merge I really mean to say make RecordsNew -> Records [12:47] and Records -> archived [12:47] right [12:47] cool, thanks [12:47] perfect :) [12:48] need to fix some links to our records too [12:48] actually, there are references all over ubuntu to irc logs, agendas and minutes... not all of them are in the same place [12:49] right [12:49] all of them were set up by separate people or groups [12:49] lets just keep ours under EdubuntuMeetingRecords and not care for other locations ... [12:50] yip. thinking of splitting into sub-pages, either by year, month or by meeting [12:51] year/month sounds right [12:51] why by meeting ? we only have one kind of meetings atm ... [12:52] at least there wasnt any handbook meeting for quite some time [12:52] new subpage for each meeting but I think that is unnecessary [12:52] yeah [12:56] ogra, what is https://wiki.edubuntu.org/MeetingLogs/Edubuntu ? [12:57] https://wiki.edubuntu.org/MeetingLogs/Edubuntu?action=info [12:57] who is ausimage ? [12:57] he is doc-team guy looking into automating more irc log stuff [12:58] looks like raw logs [12:59] https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Ausimage [12:59] https://wiki.edubuntu.org/MeetingLogs <-- instructions :) === apokryphos [n=apokryph@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu [01:00] urk, looks like work [01:00] unless he can automate it... [01:01] which, technically is quite possible with a few regex's and a verbal bot [01:05] https://wiki.edubuntu.org/MeetingSummarySpec seems to head that way === cbx3 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:05] ogra: you still around === cbx3 is now known as cbx33 [01:06] sorry willvdl was afk === wizzy [n=andyr@www.aims.ac.za] has joined #edubuntu === jack_at_home [n=jack@222.131.248.99] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === SimonAnibal [n=simon@66.244.123.100] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu [02:40] urk. meeting logs are in but I'll have to do minutes tonight. gotto run === willvdl [n=will@196.36.161.235] has left #edubuntu ["No] === jinty [n=jinty@140.Red-81-39-13.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@64.140.73.93] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #edubuntu [03:36] Heya === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #edubuntu [04:18] Good morning all! === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu [04:35] Morning, sbalneav [04:35] Monring SimonAnibal [04:35] How's life? [04:36] Heya sbalneav [04:37] Well, big project at work coming to a head on January 2, so busy busy around here. === sc0tt is now known as sc0tt_ [04:47] Hey ogra, got a second to discuss powebuttons? What do you think we'd need to thow into the chroot to get proper acpi events from users pressing powebuttons, and doing a "clean" shutdown on the terminals? I tried installing hal, but that didn't seem to do it. Any ideas? [04:50] ogra: ping [04:50] sbalneav, later please, distro meeting now (and another one afterwards) [04:51] ah [04:51] k [04:51] sry [05:05] sbalneav, whats the status of ltsp-persistent-home ? [05:09] I've tested the implementation, it appears to work fine. [05:09] Pitti should do a code review [05:09] Other than that, I think it's done. [05:09] oki [05:10] i wonder if moquist knows about gnome-reset [05:11] Hmm, dunno [05:11] http://blogs.gnome.org/view/rodrigo/2006/01/24/0 seems like what he wanted for resetting sessions [05:12] Ooooh [05:12] ooooooohhh [05:12] oooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh === sbalneav wants [05:13] not sure how the status of it is ... [05:13] but its in universe === sbalneav installs [05:18] I'll have to play around with it a bit. I can already see the ui's a bit of a problem, but not anything major. [05:18] it does seem to back up settings! [05:19] nice [05:19] brb, have to log out and log in to enable TCP for my xwindows :) === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AEF7E8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:52] hi === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === SimonAnibal [n=simon@66.244.123.100] has joined #edubuntu [06:39] ping sbalneav [06:42] pong cbx33 [06:42] What's up? [06:42] sbalneav, docs ltsp [06:42] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWindowsDHCP [06:43] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPMultiboot?highlight=%28Multiboot%29 [06:43] worth adding to the handbook [06:43] i know you worked on the ltsp docs [06:43] not the multiboot in this state please, its not complete [06:44] no no...this is slightly different [06:44] and i'm not sure how official ppc will be supported in the future ... (or if i find the time to care for ppc ltsp if we drop support) [06:44] ogra, its not true multiboot [06:44] needs name changing [06:44] it's too enable PXe and boot off hdd too [06:44] oh, i mixed it up with multiarch [06:44] yes [06:44] ;) [06:44] ogra got time tonight for meeting? [06:44] I think he's in several now :) [06:44] Looks good, btw [06:44] in 1-2h please, i need to recover a bit from a long day first [06:44] sure [06:45] I'll do my best [06:45] sbalneav, did you wanna add them [06:45] or did you want me [06:45] sbalneav, no, actually it seems i'm done now [06:45] Sure, I can add them [06:45] ogra, great news about BETT eh? [06:45] news ? beyond what we discussed in the meeting ? [06:45] Youre done with meetings? Are you taking a break break, or can we talk about power buttons for 5-10? [06:46] for power buttons we'll need desktop communication again ... [06:46] the power button needs to bring up the logout dialog [06:47] i wanted to look into that, but seems like we'll need another communication layer for it ... also the shutdown option from the logout dialog needs to trigger the client [06:47] dbus? [06:47] changing the acpi scripts to do *something* is trivial though [06:48] Hmm, I'd just like something simple, like they log out, then press the power button and the machine just does a "shutdown -h now" [06:48] thats easy [06:48] Ah, where would I start looking? [06:48] the important part is that the button needs either be ignored if someone is logged in or needs to communicate to the session [06:48] look at the acpi scripts [06:49] ok [06:49] they are used as long as gnome-power-manager isnt installed === willvdl [n=will@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu [07:14] cbx33, you said yesterday in meeting that you "blogged" something. Where is your blog? [07:26] willvdl: pong [07:26] woot [07:26] missed you at meeting [07:26] would really love your advice [07:27] sorry, had another meeting at the same time I could not postpone :/ [07:27] willvdl, hi [07:27] hey [07:27] http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/ [07:27] willvdl: btw, about the docteam page on launchpad, can you try editing it again? it should work now, afaict [07:27] sorry [07:28] I'm on planet too [07:28] cbx33, found it :) [07:28] ;) [07:28] highvoltage, which one again? [07:29] https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-doc? [07:29] darn it.....where is RichEd when you need him [07:29] willvdl: yes [07:29] oh, you made me owner [07:29] yep, I think that should do the job [07:29] LP's permissions are a bit restrictive at the mo :( [07:29] if not, pest the people on #launchpad ;) [07:29] daily :] [07:30] willvdl, howz it coming along [07:30] very hungover and had to nip out this afternoon [07:31] will put in a quick hour or two [07:31] i think launchpad's restrictiveness to users is understandable, launchpad is still early alpha software and you wouldn't want to do something that can bring in security threats. [07:31] hehehe [07:31] hungover....willvdl....surely not ;) [07:31] highvoltage, ++ [07:31] ogra, ready when you are [07:31] willvdl: I can understand how you feel, I got a bit sunburned today and probably feel similar to what you are feeling atm :) [07:31] yeah. I still like it though. the concept at least [07:32] you burn easily boet [07:32] yeah [07:32] I mainly need to catch up on sleep [07:32] I always need to :) [07:33] will do that when I'm dead. [07:33] that's a good way of looking at things I suppose highvoltage [07:33] oh highvoltage btw where is edubuntugirl these days? [07:34] I just don't want death to come too early [07:34] he hogging her [07:34] cbx33: ooh, good that you remind me [07:35] cbx33: I moved over the weekend and need to get that pc up and running [07:35] please please ;) [07:35] cbx33: will do tonight :) [07:35] hehe [07:35] several times wanted to leave messages for people ;) [07:36] cant ubou do that too? [07:36] ubotu, tell cbx33 that you might be able to [07:36] Sorry, I don't know anything about tell cbx33 that you might be able to - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [07:37] hehehe [07:37] ubotu tell willvdl no [07:37] Sorry, I don't know anything about tell willvdl no - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [07:37] ;) [07:40] highvoltage,can't really tell difference between "owner" and "administrator" [07:40] what I wanted was to add info on the "Details" section of th LP page [07:41] i think one can change details the other cant [07:41] willvdl: only difference is that owner can delete list, I think [07:41] oh my mistake [07:41] seems so === willvdl scratches head [07:46] am I still part of that list? === cbx33 can't remember [07:47] yip [07:50] willvdl, got a sec? [07:51] yip [07:51] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BETTShow2007 - I need to start the new wiki page for edubuntu BETT2007 [07:51] that was my proposal page [07:51] should I clear it? [07:51] as the proposal as there was rejected [07:51] and is no longer required [07:51] pign ogra [07:51] not wuite with you [07:52] well I wrote that ages ago.... [07:52] to convince canonical to go to bet [07:52] BETT [07:52] but then rejected it [07:52] now though I need to write up a page for going to BETT as we are going [07:52] I wanted to use that page for it [07:52] oh, right. well if it serves no real purpose then sure, I would clean it up [07:52] ok [07:52] thanks dude [07:57] highvoltage, I was going through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuCommunityIntegration [07:57] looking at web, looking at wiki etc [07:57] and was wondering how do we seperate what info goes on the wiki and what goes on the drupal site? [07:59] willvdl: what we've come to do, is to put static information on the site, and wiki pages that have evolved to a point where they won't really change any more [07:59] willvdl: 'stable' pages, if you will [07:59] willvdl: and all pages under development stays on wiki [07:59] willvdl: it's not set in stone, and as documentation manager you are free of course to change it as you see fit [07:59] like the frontpage, contact info and links to important wiki pages? [08:00] willvdl: something like that [08:00] highvoltage, shouoldn't those static pages go on the help wiki? [08:00] willvdl: the frontpage isn't as effective as it can be, but it used to be in quite a bad shape a while back. cbx33 made some big improvements to it recently. [08:00] well, I have no intention of changing anything, just cleaning out the old or duplicated stuff [08:00] cbx33: yes, the help wiki only came afterwards though [08:01] you mean help.u.c? [08:01] willvdl, yes [08:01] willvdl, it's a big job [08:01] I started it [08:01] but never got round to finishing [08:01] I think not. as I understand h.u.c is for help info and wiki.u.c is for planning, teams, LP spec pages etc [08:02] everyone.....the BETT show wiki page is up and awaiting comments, I'm goign to try to distill the ideas that were brought up in the meeting onto the page [08:03] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BETTShow2007 [08:03] willvdl, do you have that wiki you wanted me to start planning handy [08:03] ping ogra [08:03] which one, the ESA? [08:03] yes [08:03] the planning [08:03] the page yo uwanted me to work on [08:03] that I han't yet :# [08:03] just got some catch up time [08:04] well, lets sue the old ESA one and we can always move and redirect or what ever later [08:04] ok [08:04] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu [08:04] hey LaserJock [08:05] got it [08:05] highvoltage, the Edubuntu Website Team could do something like the Ubuntu Wiki Team for the drupal site [08:05] ah, just the man I was looking for [08:05] who? [08:05] meaning, get bugs and specs registered in LP for web thingies and assign to the team [08:06] cbx33: I don't know, I'm a bit scared that it's me :) [08:06] willvdl: yes, that sounds good [08:07] heheh [08:08] btw, still want to see your new tuxlab distro [08:08] willvdl: riched mentioned a beer-up soon, I'll bring along a disc then [08:09] oooh. unfortunately Morgan is outa town [08:09] http://makeithappen.computeraid.org/ [08:09] i'm in hermanus next week too [08:10] but i think we can get together at some point just after that, at least === highvoltage wonders what happened to LaserJock [08:12] ? [08:12] you said "21:05 < LaserJock> ah, just the man I was looking for [08:12] " [08:12] and kept us in suspense :) [08:12] ah sorry, was looking for cbx33 [08:12] hehe [08:12] sorry guys I should have said [08:12] :) [08:12] no worries! [08:12] highvoltage,I was scared he was filling up a huge text entry buffer... === LaserJock hugs #edubuntu [08:13] 3pg essay [08:13] heh [08:13] hah [08:14] willvdl, did you get a chance to look at the minutes yet? [08:15] on it at the mo [08:15] dud eyou rock === Amaranth [n=travis@ip68-229-188-84.om.om.cox.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:18] hey Amaranth [08:18] hey [08:19] woot [08:19] doe anyone have access to the edubuntu.org site [08:19] where have my editing privs gone [08:20] I have noticed a spelling mistake and was going to correct it [08:20] highvoltage, you still have access? [08:22] cbx33: yep [08:22] cbx33: you should have too? [08:22] no [08:22] I can't edit anything [08:22] just view and track [08:25] ogra: still awake? [08:25] is Richard or willvdl around? [08:25] yip [08:26] willvdl: I'm just reading over the meeting log [08:26] uhuh? [08:26] perhaps some issues with help.u.c vs wiki.u.c vs. doc.u.c need to be cleared up [08:26] sbalneav, I'm hoping so [08:26] I hope to have a meeting with him later ;) [08:26] I think so [08:27] help.u.c is where *all* user help/documentation should reside [08:27] I just found the 3 commands needed to make ACPI power button shutoff work in thin clients. [08:27] it holds both the shipped (static) docs in HTML and PDF and the help wiki [08:27] sbalneav, w00t [08:27] oh sbalneav that's what I wanted to ask [08:27] can we have a client reboot button for ldm? [08:27] wiki.u.c is used for development collaboration/ spec planning/ etc. [08:27] sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 ; mount -t proc proc /ptoc ; apt-get install acpi-support [08:28] people are not supposed to be putting help docs on wiki.u.c [08:28] reboot as opposed to power down? [08:28] LaserJock, that's how I understood it [08:28] the move from wiki.u.c to help.u.c was a one time thing [08:28] sbalneav, yes [08:28] I have a few machines thathave no access to pwoer button [08:28] I restart via WOL [08:29] start sorry [08:29] Hmmm, that's just a ui thing. It just needs to get added to ldm. [08:29] ldm's in python. [08:29] yeh taht's what I thought [08:29] LaserJock, I guess a better explanation should go on DocTeam wiki page [08:29] oooh? [08:29] really? [08:29] yeah [08:29] maybe I'll patch it [08:29] I know python [08:29] so quit whinin' and get busy :) [08:29] sbalneav, what pacakge do I need to get ;) [08:29] python-boy [08:29] willvdl: edubuntu help docs should end up on help.u.c === cbx33 pokes the angry bear [08:29] willvdl: wiki or static [08:30] Umm, it's part of a whole bunch of stuff. [08:30] sbalneav, you sure you don;t mind sorting those ltps docs....I can do it if it's easier....just tell me where you want it ;) [08:30] Best bet would be start by playing around in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ldm, then mail a patch to ollie [08:30] ok [08:30] thanks sbalneav [08:31] No, I'll sort the docs out. [08:31] ok cool [08:31] when's deadline for docs? [08:32] do I have a couple of months? [08:32] sure....afaik [08:36] ping ogra === blue-frog [n=bluefrog@dyn-83-153-125-127.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #edubuntu [08:49] willvdl, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy#preview === pirast [n=martin@p508B1296.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #edubuntu [09:03] hey pirast [09:03] cbx33, hi! [09:04] edubuntu works fine now .-) [09:04] in the holidays, i will present it to the teacher who is responsible for the labs :-) [09:04] coool [09:12] sorry ogra gonna have to post pone [09:26] pirast, woot === apokryphos is now known as apoKryphos === apoKryphos is now known as apokryphos === Amaranth [n=travis@ip68-229-188-84.om.om.cox.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:35] willvdl, does that look ok? [10:35] yeah. ball is rolling ++ [10:35] minutes are in [10:36] someday I'll sub-page and archive the minutes but it is really low priority right now... [10:36] You know what would be nice? [10:36] what? [10:36] anyone around....I have a vmware server and a vmware client....but the client won't finish booting [10:37] gets' to the last little bit then replaces the top left corner of the screen with a section of the progress bar [10:37] and never loads ldm [10:37] any ideas anyone? [10:37] http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ has nice colour features [10:38] yeh [10:38] I know what you mean [10:38] https://wiki.edubuntu.org/MeetingLogs/Edubuntu_2006-12-13 doesn't [10:38] I thought of like a drag and drop minute maker [10:38] should be trivial to script it [10:38] ooooh [10:38] simple python script with a gui? [10:38] yes [10:39] so you load the minutes in one side [10:39] and drag the important ones to the other window === willvdl slaps himself...focus will-san focus [10:39] load the log you mean? [10:40] https://wiki.edubuntu.org/MeetingLogs --> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Ausimage [10:40] ^^^ sounds like he wants to automate stuff [10:40] sigh, just can't keep up timezones with Americans and Australians... [10:41] indeed [10:43] hmm, and I thought it was the British and South Africans that had the problem ;-) [10:44] we do. trying to keep up with both sides of the globe! === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu [10:52] ok outa here. exhausted [10:52] ok [10:52] tomorrow is wiki cleanup day! [10:52] yay [10:52] I'll try to help out all I can [10:53] notice how http://www.edubuntu.org/ and https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki try to be the same thing [10:53] but are different :) [10:54] I reckon EdubuntuWiki front page should just be "site map" of sorts. === willvdl [n=will@196.36.161.235] has left #edubuntu ["No] === enridima [n=enridima@151.80.0.96] has joined #edubuntu === enridima [n=enridima@151.80.0.96] has left #edubuntu [] === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@60-241-255-163.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu