[09:18] <steveywonder1986> hi all
[09:18] <steveywonder1986> can somebody help me?
[10:41] <cbx33> ping ogra
[11:29] <cbx33> hey willvdl
[11:29] <willvdl> hey.
[11:29] <willvdl> my internot is crunchy today
[11:30] <cbx33> :(
[11:30] <cbx33> define cruncy in technological terms
[11:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[11:30] <willvdl> like lumpy peanut butter
[11:30] <cbx33> heheh
[11:31] <cbx33> eeeewwwwwww
[11:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> :S
[11:31] <willvdl> can't get mail off my server
[11:32] <willvdl> need to reboot. back in a tick
[12:06] <cbx33> ping ogra ;)
[12:06] <willvdl> my hat. struggled with a silly SSL popup that denied me from using my irc client
[12:07] <willvdl> had to physically remove the SSL certs and restart
[12:08] <cbx33> heh
[12:08] <cbx33> but you're back now
[12:32] <willvdl> highvoltage, ping
[12:43] <willvdl> woops, must write up minutes from yesterday
[12:44] <willvdl> cbx33: can I merge https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingRecords and https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingRecordsNew?
[12:46] <ogra> willvdl, no
[12:46] <ogra> throw the old ones away or archive them somewhere
[12:46] <willvdl> definately archive
[12:46] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingRecordsNew should be the current one
[12:46] <ogra> iirc
[12:46] <willvdl> ogra, it's just the name "New"
[12:47] <willvdl> so when I mean merge I really mean to say make RecordsNew -> Records
[12:47] <willvdl> and Records -> archived
[12:47] <ogra> right
[12:47] <willvdl> cool, thanks
[12:47] <ogra> perfect :)
[12:48] <willvdl> need to fix some links to our records too
[12:48] <willvdl> actually, there are references all over ubuntu to irc logs, agendas and minutes... not all of them are in the same place
[12:49] <ogra> right
[12:49] <ogra> all of them were set up by separate people or groups
[12:49] <ogra> lets just keep ours under EdubuntuMeetingRecords and not care for other locations ...
[12:50] <willvdl> yip. thinking of splitting into sub-pages, either by year, month or by meeting
[12:51] <ogra> year/month sounds right
[12:51] <ogra> why by meeting ? we only have one kind of meetings atm ...
[12:52] <ogra> at least there wasnt any handbook meeting for quite some time
[12:52] <willvdl> new subpage for each meeting but I think that is unnecessary
[12:52] <ogra> yeah
[12:56] <willvdl> ogra, what is https://wiki.edubuntu.org/MeetingLogs/Edubuntu ?
[12:57] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/MeetingLogs/Edubuntu?action=info
[12:57] <ogra> who is ausimage ?
[12:57] <willvdl> he is doc-team guy looking into automating more irc log stuff
[12:58] <ogra> looks like raw logs
[12:59] <willvdl> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Ausimage
[12:59] <willvdl> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/MeetingLogs <-- instructions :)
[01:00] <willvdl> urk, looks like work
[01:00] <willvdl> unless he can automate it...
[01:01] <willvdl> which, technically is quite possible with a few regex's and a verbal bot
[01:05] <willvdl> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/MeetingSummarySpec seems to head that way
[01:05] <cbx3> ogra: you still around
[01:06] <cbx33> sorry willvdl was afk
[02:40] <willvdl> urk. meeting logs are in but I'll have to do minutes tonight. gotto run
[03:36] <bddebian> Heya
[04:18] <sbalneav> Good morning all!
[04:35] <SimonAnibal> Morning, sbalneav
[04:35] <sbalneav> Monring SimonAnibal
[04:35] <SimonAnibal> How's life?
[04:36] <bddebian> Heya sbalneav
[04:37] <sbalneav> Well, big project at work coming to a head on January 2, so busy busy around here.
[04:47] <sbalneav> Hey ogra, got a second to discuss powebuttons?  What do you think we'd need to thow into the chroot to get proper acpi events from users pressing powebuttons, and doing a "clean" shutdown on the terminals?  I tried installing hal, but that didn't seem to do it.  Any ideas?
[04:50] <sbalneav> ogra: ping
[04:50] <ogra> sbalneav, later please, distro meeting now (and another one afterwards)
[04:51] <sbalneav> ah
[04:51] <sbalneav> k
[04:51] <sbalneav> sry
[05:05] <ogra> sbalneav, whats the status of ltsp-persistent-home ?
[05:09] <sbalneav> I've tested the implementation, it appears to work fine.
[05:09] <sbalneav> Pitti should do a code review
[05:09] <sbalneav> Other than that, I think it's done.
[05:09] <ogra> oki
[05:10] <ogra> i wonder if moquist knows about gnome-reset
[05:11] <sbalneav> Hmm, dunno
[05:11] <ogra> http://blogs.gnome.org/view/rodrigo/2006/01/24/0 seems like what he wanted for resetting sessions
[05:12] <sbalneav> Ooooh
[05:12] <sbalneav> ooooooohhh
[05:12] <sbalneav> oooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh
[05:13] <ogra> not sure how the status of it is ...
[05:13] <ogra> but its in universe
[05:18] <sbalneav> I'll have to play around with it a bit.  I can already see the ui's a bit of a problem, but not anything major.
[05:18] <sbalneav> it does seem to back up settings!
[05:19] <ogra> nice
[05:19] <sbalneav> brb, have to log out and log in to enable TCP for my xwindows :)
[05:52] <stgraber> hi
[06:39] <cbx33> ping sbalneav
[06:42] <sbalneav> pong cbx33
[06:42] <sbalneav> What's up?
[06:42] <cbx33> sbalneav, docs ltsp
[06:42] <cbx33> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWindowsDHCP
[06:43] <cbx33> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPMultiboot?highlight=%28Multiboot%29
[06:43] <cbx33> worth adding to the handbook
[06:43] <cbx33> i know you worked on the ltsp docs
[06:43] <ogra> not the multiboot in this state please, its not complete
[06:44] <cbx33> no no...this is slightly different
[06:44] <ogra> and i'm not sure how official ppc will be supported in the future ... (or if i find the time to care for ppc ltsp if we drop support)
[06:44] <cbx33> ogra, its not true multiboot
[06:44] <cbx33> needs name changing
[06:44] <cbx33> it's too enable PXe and boot off hdd too
[06:44] <ogra> oh, i mixed it up with multiarch
[06:44] <cbx33> yes
[06:44] <cbx33> ;)
[06:44] <cbx33> ogra got time tonight for meeting?
[06:44] <sbalneav> I think he's in several now :)
[06:44] <sbalneav> Looks good, btw
[06:44] <ogra> in 1-2h please, i need to recover a bit from a long day first
[06:44] <cbx33> sure
[06:45] <cbx33> I'll do my best
[06:45] <cbx33> sbalneav, did you wanna add them
[06:45] <cbx33> or did you want me
[06:45] <ogra> sbalneav, no, actually it seems i'm done now
[06:45] <sbalneav> Sure, I can add them
[06:45] <cbx33> ogra, great news about BETT eh?
[06:45] <ogra> news ? beyond what we discussed in the meeting ?
[06:45] <sbalneav> Youre done with meetings?  Are you taking a break break, or can we talk about power buttons for 5-10?
[06:46] <ogra> for power buttons we'll need desktop communication again ...
[06:46] <ogra> the power button needs to bring up the logout dialog
[06:47] <ogra> i wanted to look into that, but seems like we'll need another communication layer for it ... also the shutdown option from the logout dialog needs to trigger the client
[06:47] <cbx33> dbus?
[06:47] <ogra> changing the acpi scripts to do *something* is trivial though
[06:48] <sbalneav> Hmm, I'd just like something simple, like they log out, then press the power button and the machine just does a "shutdown -h now"
[06:48] <ogra> thats easy
[06:48] <sbalneav> Ah, where would I start looking?
[06:48] <ogra> the important part is that the button needs either be ignored if someone is logged in or needs to communicate to the session
[06:48] <ogra> look at the acpi scripts
[06:49] <sbalneav> ok
[06:49] <ogra> they are used as long as gnome-power-manager isnt installed
[07:14] <willvdl> cbx33, you said yesterday in meeting that you "blogged" something. Where is your blog?
[07:26] <highvoltage> willvdl: pong
[07:26] <willvdl> woot
[07:26] <willvdl> missed you at meeting
[07:26] <willvdl> would really love your advice
[07:27] <highvoltage> sorry, had another meeting at the same time I could not postpone :/
[07:27] <cbx33> willvdl, hi
[07:27] <willvdl> hey
[07:27] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/
[07:27] <highvoltage> willvdl: btw, about the docteam page on launchpad, can you try editing it again? it should work now, afaict
[07:27] <cbx33> sorry
[07:28] <cbx33> I'm on planet too
[07:28] <willvdl> cbx33, found it :)
[07:28] <cbx33> ;)
[07:28] <willvdl> highvoltage, which one again?
[07:29] <willvdl> https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-doc?
[07:29] <cbx33> darn it.....where is RichEd when you need him
[07:29] <highvoltage> willvdl: yes
[07:29] <willvdl> oh, you made me owner
[07:29] <highvoltage> yep, I think that should do the job
[07:29] <willvdl> LP's permissions are a bit restrictive at the mo :(
[07:29] <highvoltage> if not, pest the people on #launchpad ;)
[07:29] <willvdl> daily :] 
[07:30] <cbx33> willvdl, howz it coming along
[07:30] <willvdl> very hungover and had to nip out this afternoon
[07:31] <willvdl> will put in a quick hour or two
[07:31] <highvoltage> i think launchpad's restrictiveness to users is understandable, launchpad is still early alpha software and you wouldn't want to do something that can bring in security threats.
[07:31] <cbx33> hehehe
[07:31] <cbx33> hungover....willvdl....surely not ;)
[07:31] <cbx33> highvoltage, ++
[07:31] <cbx33> ogra, ready when you are
[07:31] <highvoltage> willvdl: I can understand how you feel, I got a bit sunburned today and probably feel similar to what you are feeling atm :)
[07:31] <willvdl> yeah. I still like it though. the concept at least
[07:32] <willvdl> you burn easily boet
[07:32] <highvoltage> yeah
[07:32] <willvdl> I mainly need to catch up on sleep
[07:32] <highvoltage> I always need to :)
[07:33] <highvoltage> will do that when I'm dead.
[07:33] <cbx33> that's a good way of looking at things I suppose highvoltage
[07:33] <cbx33> oh highvoltage btw where is edubuntugirl these days?
[07:34] <willvdl> I just don't want death to come too early
[07:34] <willvdl> he hogging her
[07:34] <highvoltage> cbx33: ooh, good that you remind me
[07:35] <highvoltage> cbx33: I moved over the weekend and need to get that pc up and running
[07:35] <cbx33> please please ;)
[07:35] <highvoltage> cbx33: will do tonight :)
[07:35] <cbx33> hehe
[07:35] <cbx33> several times wanted to leave messages for people ;)
[07:36] <willvdl> cant ubou do that too?
[07:36] <willvdl> ubotu, tell cbx33 that you might be able to
[07:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about  tell cbx33 that you might be able to - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:37] <cbx33> hehehe
[07:37] <cbx33> ubotu tell willvdl no
[07:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about  tell willvdl no - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:37] <cbx33> ;)
[07:40] <willvdl> highvoltage,can't really tell difference between "owner" and "administrator"
[07:40] <willvdl> what I wanted was to add info on the "Details" section of th LP page
[07:41] <cbx33> i think one can change details the other cant
[07:41] <Burgwork> willvdl: only difference is that owner can delete list, I think
[07:41] <cbx33> oh my mistake
[07:41] <willvdl> seems so
[07:46] <cbx33> am I still part of that list?
[07:47] <willvdl> yip
[07:50] <cbx33> willvdl, got a sec?
[07:51] <willvdl> yip
[07:51] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BETTShow2007 - I need to start the new wiki page for edubuntu BETT2007
[07:51] <cbx33> that was my proposal page
[07:51] <cbx33> should I clear it?
[07:51] <cbx33> as the proposal as there was rejected
[07:51] <cbx33> and is no longer required
[07:51] <cbx33> pign ogra
[07:51] <willvdl> not wuite with you
[07:52] <cbx33> well I wrote that ages ago....
[07:52] <cbx33> to convince canonical to go to bet
[07:52] <cbx33> BETT
[07:52] <cbx33> but then rejected it
[07:52] <cbx33> now though I need to write up a page for going to BETT as we are going
[07:52] <cbx33> I wanted to use that page for it
[07:52] <willvdl> oh, right. well if it serves no real purpose then sure, I would clean it up
[07:52] <cbx33> ok
[07:52] <cbx33> thanks dude
[07:57] <willvdl> highvoltage, I was going through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuCommunityIntegration
[07:57] <willvdl> looking at web, looking at wiki etc
[07:57] <willvdl> and was wondering how do we seperate what info goes on the wiki and what goes on the drupal site?
[07:59] <highvoltage> willvdl: what we've come to do, is to put static information on the site, and wiki pages that have evolved to a point where they won't really change any more
[07:59] <highvoltage> willvdl: 'stable' pages, if you will
[07:59] <highvoltage> willvdl: and all pages under development stays on wiki
[07:59] <highvoltage> willvdl: it's not set in stone, and as documentation manager you are free of course to change it as you see fit
[07:59] <willvdl> like the frontpage, contact info and links to important wiki pages?
[08:00] <highvoltage> willvdl: something like that
[08:00] <cbx33> highvoltage, shouoldn't those static pages go on the help wiki?
[08:00] <highvoltage> willvdl: the frontpage isn't as effective as it can be, but it used to be in quite a bad shape a while back. cbx33 made some big improvements to it recently.
[08:00] <willvdl> well, I have no intention of changing anything, just cleaning out the old or duplicated stuff
[08:00] <highvoltage> cbx33: yes, the help wiki only came afterwards though
[08:01] <willvdl> you mean help.u.c?
[08:01] <cbx33> willvdl, yes
[08:01] <cbx33> willvdl, it's a big job
[08:01] <cbx33> I started it
[08:01] <cbx33> but never got round to finishing
[08:01] <willvdl> I think not. as I understand h.u.c is for help info and wiki.u.c is for planning, teams, LP spec pages etc
[08:02] <cbx33> everyone.....the BETT show wiki page is up and awaiting comments, I'm goign to try to distill the ideas that were brought up in the meeting onto the page
[08:03] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BETTShow2007
[08:03] <cbx33> willvdl, do you have that wiki you wanted me to start planning handy
[08:03] <cbx33> ping ogra
[08:03] <willvdl> which one, the ESA?
[08:03] <cbx33> yes
[08:03] <cbx33> the planning
[08:03] <cbx33> the page yo uwanted me to work on
[08:03] <cbx33> that I han't yet :#
[08:03] <cbx33> just got some catch up time
[08:04] <willvdl> well, lets sue the old ESA one and we can always move and redirect or what ever later
[08:04] <cbx33> ok
[08:04] <willvdl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy
[08:04] <cbx33> hey LaserJock
[08:05] <cbx33> got it
[08:05] <willvdl> highvoltage, the Edubuntu Website Team could do something like the Ubuntu Wiki Team for the drupal site
[08:05] <LaserJock> ah, just the man I was looking for
[08:05] <cbx33> who?
[08:05] <willvdl> meaning, get bugs and specs registered in LP for web thingies and assign to the team
[08:06] <highvoltage> cbx33: I don't know, I'm a bit scared that it's me :)
[08:06] <highvoltage> willvdl: yes, that sounds good
[08:07] <cbx33> heheh
[08:08] <willvdl> btw, still want to see your new tuxlab distro
[08:08] <highvoltage> willvdl: riched mentioned a beer-up soon, I'll bring along a disc then
[08:09] <willvdl> oooh. unfortunately Morgan is outa town
[08:09] <willvdl> http://makeithappen.computeraid.org/
[08:09] <highvoltage> i'm in hermanus next week too
[08:10] <highvoltage> but i think we can get together at some point just after that, at least
[08:12] <LaserJock> ?
[08:12] <highvoltage> you said "21:05 < LaserJock> ah, just the man I was looking for
[08:12] <highvoltage> "
[08:12] <highvoltage> and kept us in suspense :)
[08:12] <LaserJock> ah sorry, was looking for cbx33
[08:12] <cbx33> hehe
[08:12] <cbx33> sorry guys I should have said
[08:12] <highvoltage> :)
[08:12] <highvoltage> no worries!
[08:12] <willvdl> highvoltage,I was scared he was filling up a huge text entry buffer...
[08:13] <willvdl> 3pg essay
[08:13] <highvoltage> heh
[08:13] <LaserJock> hah
[08:14] <cbx33> willvdl, did you get a chance to look at the minutes yet?
[08:15] <willvdl> on it at the mo
[08:15] <cbx33> dud eyou rock
[08:18] <cbx33> hey Amaranth
[08:18] <Amaranth> hey
[08:19] <willvdl> woot
[08:19] <cbx33> doe anyone have access to the edubuntu.org site
[08:19] <cbx33> where have my editing privs gone
[08:20] <cbx33> I have noticed a spelling mistake and was going to correct it
[08:20] <cbx33> highvoltage, you still have access?
[08:22] <highvoltage> cbx33: yep
[08:22] <highvoltage> cbx33: you should have too?
[08:22] <cbx33> no
[08:22] <cbx33> I can't edit anything
[08:22] <cbx33> just view and track
[08:25] <sbalneav> ogra: still awake?
[08:25] <LaserJock> is Richard or willvdl around?
[08:25] <willvdl> yip
[08:26] <LaserJock> willvdl: I'm just reading over the meeting log
[08:26] <willvdl> uhuh?
[08:26] <LaserJock> perhaps some issues with help.u.c vs wiki.u.c vs. doc.u.c need to be cleared up
[08:26] <cbx33> sbalneav, I'm hoping so
[08:26] <cbx33> I hope to have a meeting with him later ;)
[08:26] <willvdl> I think so
[08:27] <LaserJock> help.u.c is where *all* user help/documentation should reside
[08:27] <sbalneav> I just found the 3 commands needed to make ACPI power button shutoff work in thin clients.
[08:27] <LaserJock> it holds both the shipped (static) docs in HTML and PDF and the help wiki
[08:27] <cbx33> sbalneav, w00t
[08:27] <cbx33> oh sbalneav that's what I wanted to ask
[08:27] <cbx33> can we have a client reboot button for ldm?
[08:27] <LaserJock> wiki.u.c is used for development collaboration/ spec planning/ etc.
[08:27] <sbalneav> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 ; mount -t proc proc /ptoc ; apt-get install acpi-support
[08:28] <LaserJock> people are not supposed to be putting help docs on wiki.u.c
[08:28] <sbalneav> reboot as opposed to power down?
[08:28] <willvdl> LaserJock, that's how I understood it
[08:28] <LaserJock> the move from wiki.u.c to help.u.c was a one time thing
[08:28] <cbx33> sbalneav, yes
[08:28] <cbx33> I have a few machines      thathave no access to pwoer button
[08:28] <cbx33> I restart via WOL
[08:29] <cbx33> start sorry
[08:29] <sbalneav> Hmmm, that's just a ui thing.  It just needs to get added to ldm.
[08:29] <sbalneav> ldm's in python.
[08:29] <cbx33> yeh taht's what I thought
[08:29] <willvdl> LaserJock, I guess a better explanation should go on DocTeam wiki page
[08:29] <cbx33> oooh?
[08:29] <cbx33> really?
[08:29] <sbalneav> yeah
[08:29] <cbx33> maybe I'll patch it
[08:29] <cbx33> I know python
[08:29] <sbalneav> so quit whinin' and get busy :)
[08:29] <cbx33> sbalneav, what pacakge do I need to get ;)
[08:29] <sbalneav> python-boy
[08:29] <LaserJock> willvdl: edubuntu help docs should end up on help.u.c
[08:29] <LaserJock> willvdl: wiki or static
[08:30] <sbalneav> Umm, it's part of a whole bunch of stuff.
[08:30] <cbx33> sbalneav, you sure you don;t mind sorting those ltps docs....I can do it if it's easier....just tell me where you want it ;)
[08:30] <sbalneav> Best bet would be start by playing around in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ldm, then mail a patch to ollie
[08:30] <cbx33> ok
[08:30] <cbx33> thanks sbalneav
[08:31] <sbalneav> No, I'll sort the docs out.
[08:31] <cbx33> ok cool
[08:31] <sbalneav> when's deadline for docs?
[08:32] <sbalneav> do I have a couple of months?
[08:32] <cbx33> sure....afaik
[08:36] <cbx33> ping ogra
[08:49] <cbx33> willvdl, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy#preview
[09:03] <cbx33> hey pirast
[09:03] <pirast> cbx33, hi!
[09:04] <pirast> edubuntu works fine now .-)
[09:04] <pirast> in the holidays, i will present it to the teacher who is responsible for the labs :-)
[09:04] <cbx33> coool
[09:12] <cbx33> sorry ogra gonna have to post pone
[09:26] <willvdl> pirast, woot
[10:35] <cbx33> willvdl, does that look ok?
[10:35] <willvdl> yeah. ball is rolling ++
[10:35] <willvdl> minutes are in
[10:36] <willvdl> someday I'll sub-page and archive the minutes but it is really low priority right now...
[10:36] <willvdl> You know what would be nice?
[10:36] <cbx33> what?
[10:36] <cbx33> anyone around....I have a vmware server and a vmware client....but the client won't finish booting
[10:37] <cbx33> gets' to the last little bit then replaces the top left corner of the screen with a section of the progress bar
[10:37] <cbx33> and never loads ldm
[10:37] <cbx33> any ideas anyone?
[10:37] <willvdl> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ has nice colour features
[10:38] <cbx33> yeh
[10:38] <cbx33> I know what you mean
[10:38] <willvdl> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/MeetingLogs/Edubuntu_2006-12-13 doesn't
[10:38] <cbx33> I thought of like a drag and drop minute maker
[10:38] <willvdl> should be trivial to script it
[10:38] <willvdl> ooooh
[10:38] <willvdl> simple python script with a gui?
[10:38] <cbx33> yes
[10:39] <cbx33> so you load the minutes in one side
[10:39] <cbx33> and drag the important ones to the other window
[10:39] <willvdl> load the log you mean?
[10:40] <willvdl> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/MeetingLogs --> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Ausimage
[10:40] <willvdl> ^^^ sounds like he wants to automate stuff
[10:40] <willvdl> sigh, just can't keep up timezones with Americans and Australians...
[10:41] <cbx33> indeed
[10:43] <LaserJock> hmm, and I thought it was the British and South Africans that had the problem ;-)
[10:44] <willvdl> we do. trying to keep up with both sides of the globe!
[10:52] <willvdl> ok outa here. exhausted
[10:52] <cbx33> ok
[10:52] <willvdl> tomorrow is wiki cleanup day!
[10:52] <cbx33> yay
[10:52] <cbx33> I'll try to help out all I can
[10:53] <willvdl> notice how http://www.edubuntu.org/ and https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki try to be the same thing
[10:53] <willvdl> but are different :)
[10:54] <willvdl> I reckon EdubuntuWiki front page should just be "site map" of sorts.