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Riddelljdong: looks like subversion 1.4 was uploaded, I know KDE developers would love you for a backport12:30
jdongRiddell: I saw that too12:30
jdongRiddell: I'm waiting for the archives to sync up and then I'll look on it12:31
jdongand cmake too, that's on my mind12:31
Riddellyay!12:31
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manchickenWuddup?03:08
jdongthe scrollback03:14
jdongthat's what.03:14
Jucatojdong: congratulations on the forums council thingy03:15
jdongJucato: thanks03:15
jdongJucato: we're all glad to get that finally sorted out03:15
Jucatodoes this mean less downtime for the forums? :P03:16
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jdongJucato: WHAT downtime?03:18
jdong;-)03:18
Jucatolol03:18
jdongJucato: the governance policy doesn't have anything to do with elmo giving us more powerful servers03:18
jdong:)03:18
Jucatoha03:18
Jucatooh well, maybe it's a start :P03:18
jdongbut I think we've played enough musical database servers to work around that for a while03:18
jdongCanonical wouldn't buy that the database server was low on RAM, so they just upgraded the RAM on the webserver to absurd amounts03:19
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jdong(8GB-ish)03:19
jdongso we just moved much of the database ooperation over to the webserver03:19
jdongand magically everything went faster03:19
jdonggee, wonder if it was RAM related :)03:19
Jucatoheh03:19
jdongYes, there's a new theme. Please consider the NAACP before making any comments about black or brown colors03:20
JucatoNAACP?03:20
jdongthat is sarcasm for I'm not the guy who does the artwork, please don't whine about it in front of me :)03:20
Jucatolol03:20
jdongJucato: go to wikipedia03:20
Jucatouh oh... another upgrade that breaks X (if you're using nvidia)?03:21
jdongJucato: kind of sort of03:23
Jucato:P03:24
jdongJucato: this time it affects relatively few people03:24
jdongJucato: most of whom are using some sort of non-official 9xxx driver03:24
jdongJucato: but a few with legacy are having trouble too03:24
Jucatoyeah... that's why I said "uh-oh"03:24
jdongJucato: it's been a rough day03:24
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nixternalwo0t...new lappy is up and running Kubuntu Edgy like a champ...915resolution is a savior, and I hate to say it but so is ndiswrapper ;(04:33
Jucatoheh :)04:33
manchickennixternal: Broadcom?04:45
manchickenI hate ndiswrapper.04:45
manchickenThis broadcom is a mistake I won't make again.04:45
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nixternalya, broadcom 4311, but it came with the laptop i purchased04:57
manchickenWhy does kde-systemsettings hate me?05:00
manchickenWHY?!05:00
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nixternalnow lets see how long the battery lasts on this thing05:09
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Jucatohi Hobbsee05:57
Hobbseehi Jucato05:58
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JucatoHobbsee: is it normal that some (KDE) apps get added under "More applications" sub menus?06:30
HobbseeJucato: i think so, else you get the gnome situation06:31
Jucatoah06:31
Hobbseewhich is just a massive mess, and is one of the reasons why i hate gnome06:31
Jucatoheh06:31
JucatoI was just surprised that kdissert and some of the KOffice apps are under those submenus06:31
Jucatothanks for your time :)06:32
Hobbseehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings06:32
Hobbseeoops06:32
Jucatoheh06:32
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nixternalhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/CompaqPresarioC304NR06:36
nixternali just love when stuff is easy to get working...and Kubuntu rocks on this bad boy...Guidance is doing its job and then some...going on 2 hours of battery life and just about at the half way point06:37
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Hobbseenice06:40
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seaLneshould ntfs partitions on usb media appear and be automounted?11:38
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Jucatohi Hobbsee! :)12:11
Hobbseehey Jucato12:12
RiddellseaLne: I don't see why not12:16
Hobbseehey Riddell12:17
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Tonio_hi ;)12:18
Jucatohi Tonio_, hi Riddell! :D12:19
seaLneRiddell: i get the what do you want to do with it message but nothing is done with it12:19
Hobbseehey Tonio_!12:21
Tonio_HI Hobbsee, Jucato, seaLne12:21
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seaLneTonio_: can you remember what the point of your device_arg patch to k3b was?  i'm working on v1.0rc2 just now and it doesn't seem obvious to me12:27
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kwwii_Riddell: starting to get questions about the naming stuff12:42
kwwii_guess he has pinged you now ;-)12:42
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gnomefreakare we really getting rid of kubuntu-desktop package?01:02
Hobbseewhere'd you hear that, gnomefreak?01:03
gnomefreaki dont remember someone a few weeks ago told me01:03
Hobbseeoh right01:03
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gnomefreakthey said something about it interfering with something01:05
gnomefreakso it was being dropped i havent had spare minutes to ask so i did now01:05
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Tonio_seaLne: did you lookat the current source package <,01:07
Tonio_?01:07
Tonio_you'll have the patch in there01:07
gnomefreakbrb Work calling01:08
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seaLneTonio_: yeah but it dosen't make sense against the new version01:21
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Tonio_seaLne: argh.....01:26
Tonio_seaLne: hum.... I'll have to look at it....01:26
Tonio_seaLne: is there ay major new changes ?01:26
seaLnefair amount01:26
Tonio_seaLne: grrrrrrrrr.... okay we'll have to port the pach01:27
Tonio_patch01:27
Tonio_I'm grabbing thepackage and source to have a look, a moment :)01:27
seaLnecurrently i can't get it to build in pbuilder (builds ok outside it) and err it dosen't actually burn but appart from that :)01:27
seaLnei've redone all the other patches that were necessary, just wasn't to sure what that patch was supposed to do01:28
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Riddellkwwii: who?01:31
kwwiiRiddell: I told boemann to ask you01:31
RiddellseaLne: is that the patch so when you click on a .iso it opens up that file ready to burn?  it's never worked properly (fails the second time you open up an iso)01:32
Riddellkwwii: he pinged but hasn't said anything yet01:34
Riddellkwwii: I'm planning to do the naming stuff over christmas holidays01:34
kwwiiRiddell: cool :-) he was wanting to know about how to name the view icons01:35
kwwiilike view 1:1, view actual pixels, etc.01:35
kwwiifor koffice I think01:35
Tonio_seaLne: looking at the sources, the patch is exactlythe same, no change on that point01:40
Tonio_seaLne: you may just have to rewrite the patch for the correct line numbers but that's it01:41
Tonio_Riddell: hi ;) sorry for doing the minutes late, ut I have uploaded that on monday morning01:41
Tonio_Riddell: on my latest k3b package it was working, I just had to patch the desktop file for correct mimetypes01:42
Tonio_Riddell: afaik i worked01:42
Riddelloh, nice01:42
Tonio_Riddell: look at kubuntu_09_iso_cue_mimetypes.diff01:43
RiddellTonio_: do you have plans for the gtk-qt-engine merge?01:43
Tonio_Riddell: yup, it is on my todo01:43
Tonio_Riddell: I just wanted to work on kickoff today, but I can do it now if you want01:43
Tonio_seaLne: what it the problem you have with that k3b package ?01:44
Tonio_Riddell: we need to investigate that kdesktop bad translation issue........01:45
Tonio_that's really strange....01:45
RiddellTonio_: no rush, just so long as it's not forgotten that's all01:47
RiddellTonio_: did you also claim kwin-style-crystal?01:47
Tonio_Riddell: hum, yup, you're right01:47
Tonio_Riddell: not at the moment, will do today ortomorrow01:47
Riddellcool01:47
manchickenRiddell: I haven't forgotten about kde-systemsettings and the tabs.01:47
Tonio_Riddell: I went at my parent's home this WE, so I took a few days break :)01:48
manchickenRiddell: Evidently, KTabWidget hates me.  I've been fist-fighting it for a few hours here and there.01:48
manchickenWell, KTabWidget and the entire codebase of kde-systemsettings.01:49
manchickenBut I'm pretty convinced the the XML-GUI stuff is evil and is enjoying watching me squirm.01:51
manchickenThat said, I think I'll go to work now.01:51
manchickenI just wanted to let you know I was still plugging away at it.01:51
Riddellmanchicken: good luck01:52
manchickenRiddell: You say that as if I'll need it ;)01:52
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seaLneTonio_: ok i'll have a poke with the patch, i'm still unsure what is it doing02:14
Tonio_seaLne: poke upstream ?02:16
RiddellseaLne: changelog not say anything?02:16
Tonio_Riddell: sure it does02:16
Tonio_seaLne: I wanted to get the patched merged with upstream02:16
Tonio_seaLne: if that's your plan I can do it02:16
Tonio_seaLne: I just wanted to wait a bit for eventual problems with it02:16
Tonio_Riddell: I'm affraid I once again forgot my gpg key :)02:17
Tonio_Riddell: will get it on saturday........02:17
Tonio_Riddell: will you upload gtk-qt-engine for me ? merge is done02:17
seaLneTonio_: sorry no i ment poke the patch to get it working with 1rc202:18
Tonio_seaLne: bah you just have to rewrite it, nothing changes except the line numbers......02:19
seaLne  * Add kubuntu_10_device_arg.diff, k3b_extract_audiocd.desktop <- i'm still unsure what "device" is for02:19
seaLneTonio_: yeah, np02:19
Tonio_seaLne: adds a new --device option02:19
Tonio_seaLne: that's usefull to launch k3b in "rip cd" mode02:19
Tonio_that's the way I do to get the kdesktop integration02:19
Tonio_seaLne: didn't I add a commentin changelog ?shame on me if not.......02:20
Tonio_seaLne: what the patch does exactly is adding that new command line option02:21
seaLneoh you mean like use /dev/scd1 or something?02:21
Tonio_seaLne: so that you can do "k3b --device /dev/scd1"02:21
Tonio_exactly02:21
seaLneok, sorry for being thick :)02:21
Tonio_seaLne: then I also add a bashscript and a desktop file for the integration02:21
Tonio_seaLne: be carefull to install all those files via debian/rules as I did02:22
seaLneyep :)02:22
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RiddellseaLne: " coincide with other theirs."  typo in interview02:44
freeflyingRiddell: I prepare use Sans in all conffile in kubuntu-default-settins, how about it?02:45
Riddellfreeflying: what still doesn't?02:46
freeflyingRiddell: kdm02:47
Riddellfreeflying: go ahead02:52
Riddellfreeflying: remember to add a changelog entry in debian/changelog02:52
freeflyingRiddell: got it, thanks :)02:52
LureRiddell: what can we do with kdeadmin build problem: https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/28406202:53
LureRiddell: I was askin in ubuntu-devel yesterday, but no clear conclusion what is to be done02:53
LureRiddell: it looks like that buildd's chroots are an issue02:53
RiddellLure: looks like the issue is just that mbr is in universe02:55
RiddellLure: we just need to get that into main so lilo can be installed02:55
LureRiddell: so we need MIR for mbr due to build-dep?02:56
LureRiddell: btw, can we also request showfoto and digikamimageplugins for main and also the to ship - would make digikam much usable02:57
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Tonio_Riddell: gtk-qt package is done, will upload saturday when I get my key back03:04
Tonio_Riddell: let's work on kickoff :)03:04
Tonio_Lure: shofoto duplicated gwenview somehow...03:04
Tonio_Lure: I follow you on the plugins03:05
Tonio_Lure: btw, replacing gwenview with shofoto can eventually be discussed.....03:06
Tonio_http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Desktop-Environment/Tools/Suse-Kickoff-for-Kubuntu-20919.shtml03:09
Tonio_hehe, that'll make it easy to integrate ;)03:09
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RiddellLure: digikamimageplugins needs imagemagick, which takes up lots of space03:34
RiddellLure: if we have space on the CDs just now it's only because I took out all language packs03:34
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bddebianHeya03:36
Jucatohi bddebian03:41
bddebianHeya Jucato03:42
RiddellLure: but a MIR for mbr seems the right way to go for lilo03:46
LureRiddell: will look into this over weekend - I am traveling today/tommorow03:51
Tonio_Riddell: we should contactthat guy : http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org/dists/edgy/3v1n0/index.html04:03
Tonio_he should contribute to kubuntu directly instead of maintaining this........04:03
Tonio_Riddell: apt-cache show digikamimageplugins | grep magick04:08
Tonio_Riddell: doesn't output anything.... aren't you confused with kipi-plugins ?04:09
Riddellmaybe I am04:09
Tonio_Riddell: afaik digikam plugins don't depend on it and kipi-plugins only recommends imagemagick04:10
Tonio_btw I changed it to also recommend graphicsmagick-imagemagick-compat, which worksvery nicelly ;)04:11
alleeTonio_: in case you plan to work on digikam too. I've added more fixes to digikam last night. not done yet and I'm not sure if I find time in next few days, but I can send a debdiff if needed04:23
Tonio_allee: sure, please do04:25
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alleeTonio_: is there a reason why usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/digikam-*.desktop are not in digikam pkgs?  They are used in the media action dialog.04:52
Tonio_allee: debian package removed it04:58
Tonio_allee: is that merged upstream ?04:58
Tonio_in that case I'll haveto changethe instal file04:58
alleeTonio_: No debian has it (still one pkgs).  I'll add them to install file.  Thx04:59
alleeTonio_: upstream = debian?  Not yet.  'We' didn't want to do it before etch.  Now as digikam goes to experimental I'll merge it05:00
alleeTonio_: we'll more presice: I'll add it to my dapper backport and at the commit change for use in sid/experimental use ;)05:01
Tonio_allee: hum, when i checked the rc1 debian package, the desktop file wasn't in it....05:01
Tonio_allee: maybe that's a corrected error but I'm sure of this05:01
alleeTonio_: uh, oh!  Lemme check rc1/205:02
Tonio_allee: well technically my current ubuntu package is debian rc1 with updated tarball and splitted05:03
Tonio_allee: not any other change/removal/addition05:03
alleeTonio_: the install file miss debian/tmp/usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/digikam*.desktop.  Fixed.  Those files are new in 0.9.  AFAIR I removed them from 0.8.2 due to too many usage buglets05:06
Tonio_allee: okay :)05:07
Tonio_allee: so they have been added upstream05:07
seaLneRiddell: ta, blaim benc :)05:16
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seelemhb: when do you want to talk about grub?06:07
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mhbseele: anytime you want06:15
mhbseele: do you want to talk today?06:18
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oslo i dont want korgac run when i run kontact how can i do ?06:45
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Tonio_oslo: remove the korga component in the kontact options06:51
osloTonio_> it can't06:54
osloremove korgac.desktop work06:55
oslothere no korga component in koptions06:55
Tonio_oslo: let me check06:56
oslook06:57
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osloTonio_> http://dl-3.free.fr/52616e646f6d4956e4aeadb39f9eb068833da4d226c05d461b0fddc940fcf1c7/kontact.png07:00
oslomy light kontact, anyway i dont use korganizer or korgac but it seems i can't remove them without kontact07:01
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Tonio_oslo: ah bah tu es francais :)07:04
Tonio_on peut se le faire en francais ca sera plus simple :)07:04
Tonio_mais bon effectivement ca semble dur de dmarrer kontact sans l'organizer.........07:05
Tonio_je vois rien a ce niveau dans la config07:05
oslotu vosi ya pas07:06
oslog t sur #kontact un gars ma dit kil voyait d'ou ca venait du source et il ma dit soit de renomer le binaire soit le .desktop07:07
oslo& puis c vrai ca marche07:07
oslosur festy beryl intgr ?07:07
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Tonio_oslo: non07:07
Tonio_oslo: beryl, c'est naze et c'est blind de gtk, et nous on veut pas de gtk07:08
Tonio_et de toutes facons beryl neservira a rien avec kde407:08
Tonio_donc on va pas l'intgrer pour le virer apres, on fera sans07:08
osloc vrai yaura des acc graphique sosu kde4 ?07:08
Tonio_apres concernant ubuntu, tant donn que gnome pourrait utiliser beryl par defaut, j pense que ubuntu gnome l'integrera07:08
Tonio_oslo: waip, kde4 aura son propre moteur, et il sera probablement compatible avec les plugins de compiz et beryl07:09
Tonio_mais ca c'est pas sur a ce que je sais07:09
Tonio_mais le bureau acceler sera gr nativement, waip07:09
oslo& c pour quand le bb ?07:09
Tonio_donc comme ca sort dans en gros 6 ou 7 mois.........; on va se passer de beryl07:09
Tonio_etpis bon beryl, c'est une merde a configurer, ca se barre dans tous les sens, et c'est beaucoup trop tape a l'oeil07:10
Tonio_je prefererai un truc light a la macosx07:10
Tonio_et apparement kde4 s'oriente vers ca07:10
osloau faite tu utilise gmailfs ??? moi jy arrive que en root ....07:10
Tonio_non j'utilise pas gmail :)07:11
oslodonc pas gmailfs07:11
Tonio_gmail propose pas imap, donc dans mes critres de choix (avis perso) c'est de la merde07:11
Tonio_voila07:11
tomamerde?07:11
oslopourquoi imap a pop ?07:11
osloTonio_07:11
Tonio_parceque imap tu gres une synchro locale distante en temps rel07:12
Tonio_donc je ne downloade pas mes messages07:12
Tonio_et je peux grer une arborescence de fichiers distante pour ranger mes mails07:12
Tonio_tout ca pop ne le permet pas07:12
Tonio_en gratuit qui propose imap et qui marche super bien, y a la poste07:12
Tonio_donc je suis sur laposte.net07:12
Tonio_en pop tu peux laisser une copie des messages, mais si tu ranges tes mails, ca reste en bordel sur le serveur07:13
oslotu peux leffacer cette copie aussi07:13
Tonio_donc imap c'est le top, mais peu de service gratuits proposent imap,  part free et la poste07:13
Tonio_oslo: waip07:13
Tonio_oslo: par exemple je fais jamais de sauvegarde de mes mails07:13
Tonio_si je dois formatter, je reconfigure mon client et je rcupre TOUT exactement comme c'tait avant07:13
osloet avec free & laposte tes pass se balade en clair sur le rseaux non ??? :D07:14
Tonio_et en gnral pour pouvoir faire du offline, je fais du imap en mode dconnect07:14
Tonio_y a pas mieux que ca :)07:14
Tonio_oslo: bah non ca se crypte imap07:14
Tonio_imap-tls07:14
oslopas sur le serveur free si ?07:14
Tonio_en pop aussi c'est en clair07:14
Tonio_non free ca doit tre en clair07:14
Tonio_mais bon le pop passe en clair aussi, donc bon.........07:15
oslooui free pop & imap en clair07:15
oslosur laposte le imap est crypt ?07:15
Tonio_e te dis ca07:15
fdoving!fr07:15
ubotuAllez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.07:15
fdoving:)07:15
oslo(:07:15
Tonio_laposte gre pas tls07:16
Tonio_non c'est du clair aussi07:16
Tonio_mais bon ca je m'en fous un peu a vrai dire.........07:17
Tonio_je suis pas parano07:17
Tonio_qui irai snifferma carte rseau , analyser les trames pour rcuprer ca ?07:17
Riddellfdoving: any idea what the status of https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/73225 is?07:17
UbugtuMalone bug 73225 in kdepim "[edgy]  SRU: kpilot of calendar events and addressbook fails." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 07:17
osloPV07:17
oslono07:18
Riddellman, that's a big patch07:18
fdovingRiddell: hmm.. no, it's pending approval for sru i guess, does that last comment mean I should use that for this SRU? I can read 'in the future'.. yes it's a huge patch. :|07:19
Tonio_Riddell: I have a kickoff patch for kdebase, 340 KB07:20
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Riddellouch07:20
Tonio_Riddell: probably easy to maintain as it is just a diff between the svn and the stable branch of kde07:20
Tonio_Riddell: in fact we just have to extrct it from the opensuse kdebase package07:21
Tonio_Riddell: but well......... I'm not a fan of that way to do07:21
Tonio_Riddell: the good thing is that there isa kcm for configuration and choose between the kicker and kickoff07:22
Tonio_Riddell: no yast component for administration ;)07:22
Tonio_that's pretty cool07:22
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Tonio_Riddell: fyi, the suse diff for kickoff is really easy to implement10:09
Tonio_Riddell: I just had 1 failed hunk on the all patch, that's okay10:09
apokryphosnice. Will it be default in feisty or has that not been decided yet?10:17
alleeTonio_ : digikam upload to revu:   http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3775   This also fixes bug 7579910:24
UbugtuMalone bug 75799 in digikam "digikamdcraw is missing" [Undecided,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7579910:24
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Tonio_allee: okay will do tomorrow, I don't have my gpg key to upload10:29
Tonio_allee: thanks :)10:29
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