[12:30] <Riddell> jdong: looks like subversion 1.4 was uploaded, I know KDE developers would love you for a backport
[12:30] <jdong> Riddell: I saw that too
[12:31] <jdong> Riddell: I'm waiting for the archives to sync up and then I'll look on it
[12:31] <jdong> and cmake too, that's on my mind
[12:31] <Riddell> yay!
[03:08] <manchicken> Wuddup?
[03:14] <jdong> the scrollback
[03:14] <jdong> that's what.
[03:15] <Jucato> jdong: congratulations on the forums council thingy
[03:15] <jdong> Jucato: thanks
[03:15] <jdong> Jucato: we're all glad to get that finally sorted out
[03:16] <Jucato> does this mean less downtime for the forums? :P
[03:18] <jdong> Jucato: WHAT downtime?
[03:18] <jdong> ;-)
[03:18] <Jucato> lol
[03:18] <jdong> Jucato: the governance policy doesn't have anything to do with elmo giving us more powerful servers
[03:18] <jdong> :)
[03:18] <Jucato> ha
[03:18] <Jucato> oh well, maybe it's a start :P
[03:18] <jdong> but I think we've played enough musical database servers to work around that for a while
[03:19] <jdong> Canonical wouldn't buy that the database server was low on RAM, so they just upgraded the RAM on the webserver to absurd amounts
[03:19] <jdong> (8GB-ish)
[03:19] <jdong> so we just moved much of the database ooperation over to the webserver
[03:19] <jdong> and magically everything went faster
[03:19] <jdong> gee, wonder if it was RAM related :)
[03:19] <Jucato> heh
[03:20] <jdong> Yes, there's a new theme. Please consider the NAACP before making any comments about black or brown colors
[03:20] <Jucato> NAACP?
[03:20] <jdong> that is sarcasm for I'm not the guy who does the artwork, please don't whine about it in front of me :)
[03:20] <Jucato> lol
[03:20] <jdong> Jucato: go to wikipedia
[03:21] <Jucato> uh oh... another upgrade that breaks X (if you're using nvidia)?
[03:23] <jdong> Jucato: kind of sort of
[03:24] <Jucato> :P
[03:24] <jdong> Jucato: this time it affects relatively few people
[03:24] <jdong> Jucato: most of whom are using some sort of non-official 9xxx driver
[03:24] <jdong> Jucato: but a few with legacy are having trouble too
[03:24] <Jucato> yeah... that's why I said "uh-oh"
[03:24] <jdong> Jucato: it's been a rough day
[04:33] <nixternal> wo0t...new lappy is up and running Kubuntu Edgy like a champ...915resolution is a savior, and I hate to say it but so is ndiswrapper ;(
[04:33] <Jucato> heh :)
[04:45] <manchicken> nixternal: Broadcom?
[04:45] <manchicken> I hate ndiswrapper.
[04:45] <manchicken> This broadcom is a mistake I won't make again.
[04:57] <nixternal> ya, broadcom 4311, but it came with the laptop i purchased
[05:00] <manchicken> Why does kde-systemsettings hate me?
[05:00] <manchicken> WHY?!
[05:09] <nixternal> now lets see how long the battery lasts on this thing
[05:57] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee
[05:58] <Hobbsee> hi Jucato
[06:30] <Jucato> Hobbsee: is it normal that some (KDE) apps get added under "More applications" sub menus?
[06:31] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i think so, else you get the gnome situation
[06:31] <Jucato> ah
[06:31] <Hobbsee> which is just a massive mess, and is one of the reasons why i hate gnome
[06:31] <Jucato> heh
[06:31] <Jucato> I was just surprised that kdissert and some of the KOffice apps are under those submenus
[06:32] <Jucato> thanks for your time :)
[06:32] <Hobbsee> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings
[06:32] <Hobbsee> oops
[06:32] <Jucato> heh
[06:36] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/CompaqPresarioC304NR
[06:37] <nixternal> i just love when stuff is easy to get working...and Kubuntu rocks on this bad boy...Guidance is doing its job and then some...going on 2 hours of battery life and just about at the half way point
[06:40] <Hobbsee> nice
[11:38] <seaLne> should ntfs partitions on usb media appear and be automounted?
[12:11] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee! :)
[12:12] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato
[12:16] <Riddell> seaLne: I don't see why not
[12:17] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell
[12:18] <Tonio_> hi ;)
[12:19] <Jucato> hi Tonio_, hi Riddell! :D
[12:19] <seaLne> Riddell: i get the what do you want to do with it message but nothing is done with it
[12:21] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_!
[12:21] <Tonio_> HI Hobbsee, Jucato, seaLne
[12:27] <seaLne> Tonio_: can you remember what the point of your device_arg patch to k3b was?  i'm working on v1.0rc2 just now and it doesn't seem obvious to me
[12:42] <kwwii_> Riddell: starting to get questions about the naming stuff
[12:42] <kwwii_> guess he has pinged you now ;-)
[01:02] <gnomefreak> are we really getting rid of kubuntu-desktop package?
[01:03] <Hobbsee> where'd you hear that, gnomefreak?
[01:03] <gnomefreak> i dont remember someone a few weeks ago told me
[01:03] <Hobbsee> oh right
[01:05] <gnomefreak> they said something about it interfering with something
[01:05] <gnomefreak> so it was being dropped i havent had spare minutes to ask so i did now
[01:07] <Tonio_> seaLne: did you lookat the current source package <,
[01:07] <Tonio_> ?
[01:07] <Tonio_> you'll have the patch in there
[01:08] <gnomefreak> brb Work calling
[01:21] <seaLne> Tonio_: yeah but it dosen't make sense against the new version
[01:26] <Tonio_> seaLne: argh.....
[01:26] <Tonio_> seaLne: hum.... I'll have to look at it....
[01:26] <Tonio_> seaLne: is there ay major new changes ?
[01:26] <seaLne> fair amount
[01:27] <Tonio_> seaLne: grrrrrrrrr.... okay we'll have to port the pach
[01:27] <Tonio_> patch
[01:27] <Tonio_> I'm grabbing thepackage and source to have a look, a moment :)
[01:27] <seaLne> currently i can't get it to build in pbuilder (builds ok outside it) and err it dosen't actually burn but appart from that :)
[01:28] <seaLne> i've redone all the other patches that were necessary, just wasn't to sure what that patch was supposed to do
[01:31] <Riddell> kwwii: who?
[01:31] <kwwii> Riddell: I told boemann to ask you
[01:32] <Riddell> seaLne: is that the patch so when you click on a .iso it opens up that file ready to burn?  it's never worked properly (fails the second time you open up an iso)
[01:34] <Riddell> kwwii: he pinged but hasn't said anything yet
[01:34] <Riddell> kwwii: I'm planning to do the naming stuff over christmas holidays
[01:35] <kwwii> Riddell: cool :-) he was wanting to know about how to name the view icons
[01:35] <kwwii> like view 1:1, view actual pixels, etc.
[01:35] <kwwii> for koffice I think
[01:40] <Tonio_> seaLne: looking at the sources, the patch is exactlythe same, no change on that point
[01:41] <Tonio_> seaLne: you may just have to rewrite the patch for the correct line numbers but that's it
[01:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: hi ;) sorry for doing the minutes late, ut I have uploaded that on monday morning
[01:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: on my latest k3b package it was working, I just had to patch the desktop file for correct mimetypes
[01:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: afaik i worked
[01:42] <Riddell> oh, nice
[01:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: look at kubuntu_09_iso_cue_mimetypes.diff
[01:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: do you have plans for the gtk-qt-engine merge?
[01:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: yup, it is on my todo
[01:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just wanted to work on kickoff today, but I can do it now if you want
[01:44] <Tonio_> seaLne: what it the problem you have with that k3b package ?
[01:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: we need to investigate that kdesktop bad translation issue........
[01:45] <Tonio_> that's really strange....
[01:47] <Riddell> Tonio_: no rush, just so long as it's not forgotten that's all
[01:47] <Riddell> Tonio_: did you also claim kwin-style-crystal?
[01:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, yup, you're right
[01:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: not at the moment, will do today ortomorrow
[01:47] <Riddell> cool
[01:47] <manchicken> Riddell: I haven't forgotten about kde-systemsettings and the tabs.
[01:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: I went at my parent's home this WE, so I took a few days break :)
[01:48] <manchicken> Riddell: Evidently, KTabWidget hates me.  I've been fist-fighting it for a few hours here and there.
[01:49] <manchicken> Well, KTabWidget and the entire codebase of kde-systemsettings.
[01:51] <manchicken> But I'm pretty convinced the the XML-GUI stuff is evil and is enjoying watching me squirm.
[01:51] <manchicken> That said, I think I'll go to work now.
[01:51] <manchicken> I just wanted to let you know I was still plugging away at it.
[01:52] <Riddell> manchicken: good luck
[01:52] <manchicken> Riddell: You say that as if I'll need it ;)
[02:14] <seaLne> Tonio_: ok i'll have a poke with the patch, i'm still unsure what is it doing
[02:16] <Tonio_> seaLne: poke upstream ?
[02:16] <Riddell> seaLne: changelog not say anything?
[02:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure it does
[02:16] <Tonio_> seaLne: I wanted to get the patched merged with upstream
[02:16] <Tonio_> seaLne: if that's your plan I can do it
[02:16] <Tonio_> seaLne: I just wanted to wait a bit for eventual problems with it
[02:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm affraid I once again forgot my gpg key :)
[02:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: will get it on saturday........
[02:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: will you upload gtk-qt-engine for me ? merge is done
[02:18] <seaLne> Tonio_: sorry no i ment poke the patch to get it working with 1rc2
[02:19] <Tonio_> seaLne: bah you just have to rewrite it, nothing changes except the line numbers......
[02:19] <seaLne>   * Add kubuntu_10_device_arg.diff, k3b_extract_audiocd.desktop <- i'm still unsure what "device" is for
[02:19] <seaLne> Tonio_: yeah, np
[02:19] <Tonio_> seaLne: adds a new --device option
[02:19] <Tonio_> seaLne: that's usefull to launch k3b in "rip cd" mode
[02:19] <Tonio_> that's the way I do to get the kdesktop integration
[02:20] <Tonio_> seaLne: didn't I add a commentin changelog ?shame on me if not.......
[02:21] <Tonio_> seaLne: what the patch does exactly is adding that new command line option
[02:21] <seaLne> oh you mean like use /dev/scd1 or something?
[02:21] <Tonio_> seaLne: so that you can do "k3b --device /dev/scd1"
[02:21] <Tonio_> exactly
[02:21] <seaLne> ok, sorry for being thick :)
[02:21] <Tonio_> seaLne: then I also add a bashscript and a desktop file for the integration
[02:22] <Tonio_> seaLne: be carefull to install all those files via debian/rules as I did
[02:22] <seaLne> yep :)
[02:44] <Riddell> seaLne: " coincide with other theirs."  typo in interview
[02:45] <freeflying> Riddell: I prepare use Sans in all conffile in kubuntu-default-settins, how about it?
[02:46] <Riddell> freeflying: what still doesn't?
[02:47] <freeflying> Riddell: kdm
[02:52] <Riddell> freeflying: go ahead
[02:52] <Riddell> freeflying: remember to add a changelog entry in debian/changelog
[02:52] <freeflying> Riddell: got it, thanks :)
[02:53] <Lure> Riddell: what can we do with kdeadmin build problem: https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/284062
[02:53] <Lure> Riddell: I was askin in ubuntu-devel yesterday, but no clear conclusion what is to be done
[02:53] <Lure> Riddell: it looks like that buildd's chroots are an issue
[02:55] <Riddell> Lure: looks like the issue is just that mbr is in universe
[02:55] <Riddell> Lure: we just need to get that into main so lilo can be installed
[02:56] <Lure> Riddell: so we need MIR for mbr due to build-dep?
[02:57] <Lure> Riddell: btw, can we also request showfoto and digikamimageplugins for main and also the to ship - would make digikam much usable
[03:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: gtk-qt package is done, will upload saturday when I get my key back
[03:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: let's work on kickoff :)
[03:04] <Tonio_> Lure: shofoto duplicated gwenview somehow...
[03:05] <Tonio_> Lure: I follow you on the plugins
[03:06] <Tonio_> Lure: btw, replacing gwenview with shofoto can eventually be discussed.....
[03:09] <Tonio_> http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Desktop-Environment/Tools/Suse-Kickoff-for-Kubuntu-20919.shtml
[03:09] <Tonio_> hehe, that'll make it easy to integrate ;)
[03:34] <Riddell> Lure: digikamimageplugins needs imagemagick, which takes up lots of space
[03:34] <Riddell> Lure: if we have space on the CDs just now it's only because I took out all language packs
[03:36] <bddebian> Heya
[03:41] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[03:42] <bddebian> Heya Jucato
[03:46] <Riddell> Lure: but a MIR for mbr seems the right way to go for lilo
[03:51] <Lure> Riddell: will look into this over weekend - I am traveling today/tommorow
[04:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: we should contactthat guy : http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org/dists/edgy/3v1n0/index.html
[04:03] <Tonio_> he should contribute to kubuntu directly instead of maintaining this........
[04:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: apt-cache show digikamimageplugins | grep magick
[04:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: doesn't output anything.... aren't you confused with kipi-plugins ?
[04:09] <Riddell> maybe I am
[04:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: afaik digikam plugins don't depend on it and kipi-plugins only recommends imagemagick
[04:11] <Tonio_> btw I changed it to also recommend graphicsmagick-imagemagick-compat, which worksvery nicelly ;)
[04:23] <allee> Tonio_: in case you plan to work on digikam too. I've added more fixes to digikam last night. not done yet and I'm not sure if I find time in next few days, but I can send a debdiff if needed
[04:25] <Tonio_> allee: sure, please do
[04:52] <allee> Tonio_: is there a reason why usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/digikam-*.desktop are not in digikam pkgs?  They are used in the media action dialog.
[04:58] <Tonio_> allee: debian package removed it
[04:58] <Tonio_> allee: is that merged upstream ?
[04:58] <Tonio_> in that case I'll haveto changethe instal file
[04:59] <allee> Tonio_: No debian has it (still one pkgs).  I'll add them to install file.  Thx
[05:00] <allee> Tonio_: upstream = debian?  Not yet.  'We' didn't want to do it before etch.  Now as digikam goes to experimental I'll merge it
[05:01] <allee> Tonio_: we'll more presice: I'll add it to my dapper backport and at the commit change for use in sid/experimental use ;)
[05:01] <Tonio_> allee: hum, when i checked the rc1 debian package, the desktop file wasn't in it....
[05:01] <Tonio_> allee: maybe that's a corrected error but I'm sure of this
[05:02] <allee> Tonio_: uh, oh!  Lemme check rc1/2
[05:03] <Tonio_> allee: well technically my current ubuntu package is debian rc1 with updated tarball and splitted
[05:03] <Tonio_> allee: not any other change/removal/addition
[05:06] <allee> Tonio_: the install file miss debian/tmp/usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/digikam*.desktop.  Fixed.  Those files are new in 0.9.  AFAIR I removed them from 0.8.2 due to too many usage buglets
[05:07] <Tonio_> allee: okay :)
[05:07] <Tonio_> allee: so they have been added upstream
[05:16] <seaLne> Riddell: ta, blaim benc :)
[06:07] <seele> mhb: when do you want to talk about grub?
[06:15] <mhb> seele: anytime you want
[06:18] <mhb> seele: do you want to talk today?
[06:45] <oslo>  i dont want korgac run when i run kontact how can i do ?
[06:51] <Tonio_> oslo: remove the korga component in the kontact options
[06:54] <oslo> Tonio_> it can't
[06:55] <oslo> remove korgac.desktop work
[06:55] <oslo> there no korga component in koptions
[06:56] <Tonio_> oslo: let me check
[06:57] <oslo> ok
[07:00] <oslo> Tonio_> http://dl-3.free.fr/52616e646f6d4956e4aeadb39f9eb068833da4d226c05d461b0fddc940fcf1c7/kontact.png
[07:01] <oslo> my light kontact, anyway i dont use korganizer or korgac but it seems i can't remove them without kontact
[07:04] <Tonio_> oslo: ah bah tu es francais :)
[07:04] <Tonio_> on peut se le faire en francais ca sera plus simple :)
[07:05] <Tonio_> mais bon effectivement ca semble dur de dmarrer kontact sans l'organizer.........
[07:05] <Tonio_> je vois rien a ce niveau dans la config
[07:06] <oslo> tu vosi ya pas
[07:07] <oslo> g t sur #kontact un gars ma dit kil voyait d'ou ca venait du source et il ma dit soit de renomer le binaire soit le .desktop
[07:07] <oslo> & puis c vrai ca marche
[07:07] <oslo> sur festy beryl intgr ?
[07:07] <Tonio_> oslo: non
[07:08] <Tonio_> oslo: beryl, c'est naze et c'est blind de gtk, et nous on veut pas de gtk
[07:08] <Tonio_> et de toutes facons beryl neservira a rien avec kde4
[07:08] <Tonio_> donc on va pas l'intgrer pour le virer apres, on fera sans
[07:08] <oslo> c vrai yaura des acc graphique sosu kde4 ?
[07:08] <Tonio_> apres concernant ubuntu, tant donn que gnome pourrait utiliser beryl par defaut, j pense que ubuntu gnome l'integrera
[07:09] <Tonio_> oslo: waip, kde4 aura son propre moteur, et il sera probablement compatible avec les plugins de compiz et beryl
[07:09] <Tonio_> mais ca c'est pas sur a ce que je sais
[07:09] <Tonio_> mais le bureau acceler sera gr nativement, waip
[07:09] <oslo> & c pour quand le bb ?
[07:09] <Tonio_> donc comme ca sort dans en gros 6 ou 7 mois.........; on va se passer de beryl
[07:10] <Tonio_> etpis bon beryl, c'est une merde a configurer, ca se barre dans tous les sens, et c'est beaucoup trop tape a l'oeil
[07:10] <Tonio_> je prefererai un truc light a la macosx
[07:10] <Tonio_> et apparement kde4 s'oriente vers ca
[07:10] <oslo> au faite tu utilise gmailfs ??? moi jy arrive que en root ....
[07:11] <Tonio_> non j'utilise pas gmail :)
[07:11] <oslo> donc pas gmailfs
[07:11] <Tonio_> gmail propose pas imap, donc dans mes critres de choix (avis perso) c'est de la merde
[07:11] <Tonio_> voila
[07:11] <toma> merde?
[07:11] <oslo> pourquoi imap a pop ?
[07:11] <oslo> Tonio_
[07:12] <Tonio_> parceque imap tu gres une synchro locale distante en temps rel
[07:12] <Tonio_> donc je ne downloade pas mes messages
[07:12] <Tonio_> et je peux grer une arborescence de fichiers distante pour ranger mes mails
[07:12] <Tonio_> tout ca pop ne le permet pas
[07:12] <Tonio_> en gratuit qui propose imap et qui marche super bien, y a la poste
[07:12] <Tonio_> donc je suis sur laposte.net
[07:13] <Tonio_> en pop tu peux laisser une copie des messages, mais si tu ranges tes mails, ca reste en bordel sur le serveur
[07:13] <oslo> tu peux leffacer cette copie aussi
[07:13] <Tonio_> donc imap c'est le top, mais peu de service gratuits proposent imap,  part free et la poste
[07:13] <Tonio_> oslo: waip
[07:13] <Tonio_> oslo: par exemple je fais jamais de sauvegarde de mes mails
[07:13] <Tonio_> si je dois formatter, je reconfigure mon client et je rcupre TOUT exactement comme c'tait avant
[07:14] <oslo> et avec free & laposte tes pass se balade en clair sur le rseaux non ??? :D
[07:14] <Tonio_> et en gnral pour pouvoir faire du offline, je fais du imap en mode dconnect
[07:14] <Tonio_> y a pas mieux que ca :)
[07:14] <Tonio_> oslo: bah non ca se crypte imap
[07:14] <Tonio_> imap-tls
[07:14] <oslo> pas sur le serveur free si ?
[07:14] <Tonio_> en pop aussi c'est en clair
[07:14] <Tonio_> non free ca doit tre en clair
[07:15] <Tonio_> mais bon le pop passe en clair aussi, donc bon.........
[07:15] <oslo> oui free pop & imap en clair
[07:15] <oslo> sur laposte le imap est crypt ?
[07:15] <Tonio_> e te dis ca
[07:15] <fdoving> !fr
[07:15] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[07:15] <fdoving> :)
[07:15] <oslo> (:
[07:16] <Tonio_> laposte gre pas tls
[07:16] <Tonio_> non c'est du clair aussi
[07:17] <Tonio_> mais bon ca je m'en fous un peu a vrai dire.........
[07:17] <Tonio_> je suis pas parano
[07:17] <Tonio_> qui irai snifferma carte rseau , analyser les trames pour rcuprer ca ?
[07:17] <Riddell> fdoving: any idea what the status of https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/73225 is?
[07:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73225 in kdepim "[edgy]  SRU: kpilot of calendar events and addressbook fails." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[07:17] <oslo> PV
[07:18] <oslo> no
[07:18] <Riddell> man, that's a big patch
[07:19] <fdoving> Riddell: hmm.. no, it's pending approval for sru i guess, does that last comment mean I should use that for this SRU? I can read 'in the future'.. yes it's a huge patch. :|
[07:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have a kickoff patch for kdebase, 340 KB
[07:20] <Riddell> ouch
[07:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: probably easy to maintain as it is just a diff between the svn and the stable branch of kde
[07:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: in fact we just have to extrct it from the opensuse kdebase package
[07:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: but well......... I'm not a fan of that way to do
[07:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: the good thing is that there isa kcm for configuration and choose between the kicker and kickoff
[07:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: no yast component for administration ;)
[07:22] <Tonio_> that's pretty cool
[10:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: fyi, the suse diff for kickoff is really easy to implement
[10:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just had 1 failed hunk on the all patch, that's okay
[10:17] <apokryphos> nice. Will it be default in feisty or has that not been decided yet?
[10:24] <allee> Tonio_ : digikam upload to revu:   http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3775   This also fixes bug 75799
[10:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75799 in digikam "digikamdcraw is missing" [Undecided,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75799
[10:29] <Tonio_> allee: okay will do tomorrow, I don't have my gpg key to upload
[10:29] <Tonio_> allee: thanks :)