[12:13] <kkathman> or use adept or synaptic to manage repositories
[12:14] <spitwise> comment out the universal line i believe its called
[12:14] <billytwowilly> the bar at the top of amarok with the file menu dissapeared. How do I get it back?
[12:14] <crazyreddwolf> kkathman when you ready i have several now that have the proftpd
[12:15] <kkathman> ready for what?
[12:15] <clive> Anything!
[12:15] <crazyreddwolf> i thought you were helping me with  the ftp server
[12:15] <spitwise> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe
[12:15] <spitwise> then sudo apt-get update
[12:16] <kkathman> crazyreddwolf:  this I think will help you alot:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FtpServer
[12:17] <bgsteffens> after enabling the universe repositories, it still says it cannot find package w32codecs
[12:17] <spitwise> did you apt-get update?
[12:17] <bgsteffens> yeps
[12:17] <kkathman> bgsteffens:  because its in the restricted-formats
[12:17] <kkathman> not universe
[12:17] <kkathman> which it what I said :)
[12:17] <spitwise> sudo apt-cache search w32codecs  ..
[12:17] <bgsteffens> ummm
[12:17] <kkathman> no sudo needed for apt-cache
[12:18] <spitwise> oh
[12:18] <spitwise> sudo stuff in new for me
[12:18] <bgsteffens> the only thing that isn't commented out is the backports
[12:19] <spitwise> did you uh save the file?
[12:19] <spitwise> ;P
[12:19] <kkathman> uncomment those also, then do a sudo apt-get update
[12:20] <bgsteffens> okee
[12:20] <kkathman> w32 might be in backports now I dunno.. I forget where everything is :)
[12:20] <spitwise> i have multiverse uncommented as well - not sure the difference between the two
[12:20] <flaccid> bbl
[12:21] <kkathman> I just uncomment them all so I dont have to go back
[12:21] <crazyreddwolf> sorry that didn't realy help at all  i'm new with doing a linux system  and a lot of what they ae talken aout i have no idea what it is
[12:21] <spitwise> it shouldnt be in backports
[12:22] <lenscape> anyone know how I get kubuntu to leave the search list in resolv.conf alone?
[12:22] <kkathman> crazyreddwolf:  well, thats a great explanation....I dont run an ftp server myself so I dont know much more than proftpd is very popular
[12:23] <crazyreddwolf> ok  do you know any one that has set up a ftp server befor on her
[12:23] <kkathman> yes , but I dont think they are around atm
[12:23] <crazyreddwolf> ok
[12:24] <crazyreddwolf> if you do see him/her on can you send them my way
[12:24] <andrew_> hi
[12:24] <kkathman> sure
[12:24] <andrew_> ihave a question is this where i can get some help?
[12:24] <kkathman> just ask and maybe someone will know :)
[12:25] <bgsteffens> oh, i have amd64
[12:25] <bgsteffens> The Windows Codecs package cannot be used directly by the AMD64 distribution
[12:25] <Bubba_Gump> what is 'grep'?
[12:25] <kkathman> AHHH  hmmm yeah ...
[12:25] <kkathman> Bubba_Gump:  partial search
[12:25] <kkathman> man grep   for more details
[12:25] <andrew_> well im trying to make my own website and people say that since i have ubuntu i can just upload my cgi script to a linux webserver bu i dont know even where to begin:(
[12:26] <kkathman> andrew_:  well you need to create your server first... install Ubuntu as a LAMP server I reckon then go from there
[12:26] <spitwise> you need an ftp client of some kind, the webserver address, username and password
[12:27] <kkathman> well not necessarily if you are the one hosting the websever
[12:27] <kkathman> which I assume
[12:27] <kkathman> if not, then yeah all you need is an FTP client
[12:27] <spitwise> even where to begin is a vague q ;)
[12:27] <kkathman> yah it is
[12:28] <kkathman> gotta crawl before you walk
[12:28] <kkathman> and walk before you run
[12:28] <andrew_> well im gonna host it myself but is there a web server program or something?
[12:28] <spitwise> you have quite some reading to methinks
[12:28] <kkathman> andrew_:  how much experience do you have with linux?
[12:28] <andrew_> me think so too :P
[12:29] <andrew_> i have alot i just dont know how to make my own site
[12:29] <spitwise> i would adive making something on a free server, and then learning about hosting next
[12:29] <spitwise> avise
[12:29] <spitwise> advise.
[12:29] <spitwise> typing on coffee table not recommended
[12:29] <chupie> i installed kubuntu on my laptop just a little bit ago.. and since i've been using it, i haven't heard to cpu fan kick on.... what should i do?
[12:30] <spitwise> be happy
[12:30] <spitwise> ?
[12:30] <billytwowilly> laugh at windows for having bad power management?
[12:31] <kkathman> like I said, start by installing an ubuntu server LAMP to be exact
[12:31] <chupie> heh... well i dunno, just kinda noticed its getting a lil warmer than normal
[12:32] <billytwowilly>  is there any way to get beryl to respect the hiding settings I have on my second panel in kubuntu and to not include the second panel in switcher?
[12:33] <andrew_> how do i install a LAMP server?
[12:33] <andrew_> o ok
[12:34] <andrew_> i get ya from the server cd:P
[12:34] <CVirus> andrew_: sudo apt-get install LAMP
[12:34] <xenol> GN guys
[12:35] <spitwise> andrew: man apt
[12:35] <spitwise> in the konsole terminal
[12:35] <andrew_> it's not in the repos:(
[12:35] <andrew_> i tried
[12:35] <spitwise> you will need to sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:36] <spitwise> and uncomment some lines.
[12:36] <andrew_> k
[12:36] <spitwise> it will have tips commented int eh file
[12:36] <andrew_> i think ive done that when i first installes it
[12:37] <CVirus> andrew_: what is LAMP anyway ?
[12:37] <_kuja_> linux-apache-mysql-php
[12:37] <andrew_> a server prgram i guess
[12:37] <CVirus> andrew_: will you google before asking questions that you even know nuthing about ?
[12:37] <CVirus> _kuja_: of course I do know that
[12:38] <spitwise> i dunno about lamp, i've only meesed with apache
[12:38] <spitwise> 
[12:38] <CVirus> andrew_: you dont even know what LAMP is and you want to install it ... does that make sense ?
[12:38] <_kuja_> why should a person have to google for something when there is a perfectly good human being within range to ask?
[12:38] <andrew_> yup
[12:38] <spitwise> heheh
[12:39] <CVirus> andrew_: its up to you then
[12:39] <CVirus> !lamp
[12:39] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[12:39] <CVirus> andrew_: click the link .. copy and paste in your terminal and you're done
[12:39] <jerp> kuja, uhh, one gets a quicker response?
[12:39] <spitwise> linux will be tough for you if you're not willing to do some research
[12:39] <CVirus> andrew_: listen to spitwise's words
[12:39] <andrew_> kk
[12:39] <spitwise> you won't learn anything if you just paste commands from other people
[12:40] <_kuja_> learn through massive breakage, download debian sid today :D
[12:40] <Hexidigital> anyone in here have the kubuntu.org repository enabled for bleeding-edge KDE?
[12:40] <spitwise> :D
[12:41] <_kuja_> hexidigital, unless you're a developer, that's not much point in it
[12:41] <Hexidigital> _kuja_::  that was my next question... thank you :)
[12:41] <_kuja_> **there's ....... my fingers are becoming increasingly dyslexic as of late.
[12:43] <Murchadh> !bluetooth pairing
[12:43] <ubotu> bluetooth: Bluetooth stack utilities. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.7-1ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 18 kB, installed size 60 kB
[12:43] <Bubba_Gump> so when is fiesty out?
[12:44] <_kuja_> in about 5 months, or so
[12:44] <Bubba_Gump> and is it worth upgrading from edgy?
[12:44] <Bubba_Gump> ahh okay :
[12:44] <Bubba_Gump> :)
[12:44] <spitwise> if you don't mind somethings breaking every once in a while ;)
[12:45] <spitwise> mm
[12:45] <spitwise> sine ive installed kubuntu ive noticed not a lot of updates
[12:45] <spitwise> compared with debian testing
[12:46] <spitwise> is there something between 'stable' and 'bledding edge'?
[12:46] <_kuja_> not in ubuntu?
[12:46] <spitwise> pardon?
[12:47] <molotoff> hmmm
[12:47] <_kuja_> Nothing between stable and bleeding edge, in ubuntu, unless you count only upgrading every not, or upgrading every beta, or whatever
[12:48] <spitwise> mm
[12:48] <spitwise> seemed to work better for me when i was using debian since i'm ppc
[12:48] <notech> most distro's are like that, stable and devel (bleeding edge)
[12:49] <spitwise> kubuntu is quite nice though, and new to kde as well.
[12:51] <_kuja_> I think I might set up a virtual machine and see how things are working in feisty as of current ...
[12:51] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: Night
[12:52] <DaSkreech> nixternal: What's Up?
[12:52] <DaSkreech> Dink: How are you?
[12:56] <_kuja_> o.O
[12:58] <_kuja_> I agree DaSkreech, caffeine is probably the best answer, not yawning.
[12:59] <DaSkreech> Or sleep
[01:00] <_kuja_> sleep, that sounds like a horrible idea
[01:00] <_kuja_> I just might do that
[01:05] <_kuja_> d'oh, the channel went and died on me :(
[01:06] <BluesKaj> _kuja_, splits
[01:06] <_kuja_> eh?
[01:08] <hex_st0rm> !adept crash
[01:08] <ubotu> adept: package management suite for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 11 kB, installed size 40 kB
[01:08] <DaSkreech> sleep< those little slices of death
[01:08] <DaSkreech> Hi BluesKaj
[01:08] <hex_st0rm> !adeptcrashfix
[01:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adeptcrashfix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:08] <LjL> !adept crash fix
[01:08] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[01:08] <hex_st0rm> thank you ljl
[01:09] <LjL> !adeptcrashfix is <alias> adept crash fix
[01:09] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[01:09] <dettoaltrimenti> this package iputils-arping is making my internet not work when I use windows- is this possible? either way, is it safe to remove that package?
[01:09] <matthew> I'm having some trouble with flash sound in swiftfox. I'm running kubuntu 6.10, and swiftfox 2.0, with flash 9 beta2
[01:09] <DaSkreech> dettoaltrimenti: Eh?
[01:09] <matthew> My trouble is there is no sound.
[01:10] <matthew> I've tried editing the ~/firefoxrc file to include aoss, alsa, auto, and nothing works.
[01:10] <DaSkreech> matthew: I'm Willing to wager it's more a problemwith flash9 beta
[01:10] <malik__> there is one file in firefox or flash u need to edit
[01:10] <matthew> maybe, but it works fine on my other computer
[01:10] <malik__> n channel sound to flsh
[01:10] <matthew> malik, huh? What do you mean?
[01:11] <malik__> just a tic lemme dig it out for u
[01:11] <matthew> malik__, k, thanks
[01:12] <Schuenemann> I just installed Sun's JDK via apt-get, how can I find out where it was installed?
[01:13] <DaSkreech> How does GPL java affect Ubuntu?
[01:13] <DaSkreech> Schuenemann: I would suspect it's installed where it's supposed to
[01:13] <DaSkreech> Schuenemann: What are you looking for the compiler??
[01:13] <_kuja_> They'll be able to install it by default ... if they want to. It won't be fully gpl'ed for about 6 months or so though
[01:13] <Schuenemann> and that would be... ?
[01:13] <Schuenemann> I want to set the environment variables
[01:13] <_kuja_> /usr/lib/jvm/
[01:13] <Schuenemann> classpath, java_home...
[01:14] <_kuja_> set the environment variables in your ~/.bash_profile
[01:14] <Schuenemann> there it is, thank you
[01:14] <Schuenemann> not .bashrc?
[01:15] <_kuja_> I would do it in the profile ... might work in the rc, might not matter much
[01:15] <_kuja_> I know the $PATH is set in the profile
[01:15] <Schuenemann> ok
[01:15] <Admiral_Chicago> hellp all
[01:15] <Admiral_Chicago> err hello*
[01:15] <matthew> hey Admiral_Chicago
[01:15] <malik__> matthew: oki try this one first goto system settings n then sound system n then  hardware tab n make sure full duplex is OFF n see if that solves ur prob
[01:15] <matthew> long time no see
[01:15] <_kuja_> Hmm, that's interesting, the bash_profile includes the file bashrc ...
[01:15] <matthew> malik__, ok, h/o
[01:16] <matthew> malik__, yes sir, it's off
[01:16] <Admiral_Chicago> matthew: i know, I've been doing finals / updating my system
[01:16] <matthew> malik__, not checked.
[01:16] <malik__> oki then leem dig out the editing one
[01:16] <matthew> Admiral_Chicago, got a problem w/ flash sound...any ideas? Swiftfox 2.0, flash 9 beta2, kubuntu 6.10
[01:16] <malik__> sorry for typo
[01:17] <malik__> too cold here in ankara
[01:17] <matthew> malik__, not to drop you for someone else, just thought I'd get another person onboard
[01:17] <matthew> malik__, ok, I'll be here
[01:17] <BluesKaj> cold in anakara...how cold ?
[01:17] <Admiral_Chicago> matthew: first off, ALSA work?
[01:17] <BluesKaj> err ankara
[01:18] <matthew> Admiral_Chicago, I've already tried all the "options" in the ~/firefoxrc thing
[01:18] <matthew> Admiral_Chicago, ALSA works wonderfully, just not for media in swiftfox...lol
[01:19] <Admiral_Chicago> matthew in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats#head-c268ba69c6b38af1dc31ea09701c7d296cf971c3
[01:19] <Admiral_Chicago> have you tired that?
[01:20] <Schuenemann> _kuja_: sorry, how do I set the variables? I thought it was just export $VARIABLE=path_list
[01:20] <racarr> Maybe KDE could help you konqueror your browser problems
[01:20] <racarr> oops, freudian slip!
[01:20] <dettoaltrimenti_> matthew: are you using flash 9 or 7?
[01:20] <_kuja_> Schuenemann, that's right
[01:21] <Schuenemann> it doesn't work... echo $JAVA_HOME echoes nothing
[01:21] <_kuja_> example: $JAVA_HOME=/path/to/java/home
[01:21] <matthew> dettoaltrimenti, flash 9
[01:21] <_kuja_> wait
[01:21] <_kuja_> you have to export it too, I think
[01:22] <_kuja_> export $VARIABLE
[01:22] <BluesKaj> freud gets too much credit for mere human mistakes
[01:22] <matthew> Admiral_Chicago, checking it out know...
[01:22] <Schuenemann> export $JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.06/
[01:22] <Schuenemann> I did this
[01:23] <_kuja_> nay
[01:23] <matthew> Admiral_Chicago, I'm using 6.10, will these instructions work for me? Normally I would go ahead and try, but this is my work computer...
[01:23] <_kuja_> take off the $
[01:23] <Admiral_Chicago> matthew: worked for me, but I only use FX not Swift
[01:23] <matthew> Admiral_Chicago, ok, let me give it a shot...thank you
[01:24] <Schuenemann> _kuja_: same thing
[01:24] <BluesKaj> didn't see any advantages to swiftfox when i was using dapper 64 bit
[01:24] <Schuenemann> I've read it's 80% faster on 64 bit machines
[01:24] <malik__> matthew: flashplugin-nonfree is installed ?
[01:25] <_kuja_> Schuenemann: kuja@terra:/usr/lib/jvm$ export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.6.0-sun/ kuja@terra:/usr/lib/jvm$ echo $JAVA_HOME /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.6.0-sun/
[01:25] <dettoaltrimenti_> dumb question- how do you make a line of text in this chat room all red for the person you're talking to- just write their name? dettoaltrimenti_
[01:26] <Schuenemann> yes, just write their name... but that depends on  the IRC client
[01:26] <DaSkreech> racarr: Ha ha :)
[01:26] <Schuenemann> _kuja_: did you install mustang?
[01:26] <_kuja_> Yeah, it was released not so long ago
[01:26] <Schuenemann> how did you do it? I couldn't install
[01:26] <malik__> !mustang
[01:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mustang - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:27] <_kuja_> I downloaded the .bin file from the java website, chmod +x it to make it executable, ran it with bash
[01:27] <DaSkreech> malik__: I think it's a Firefox build
[01:27] <Admiral_Chicago> do i need w32codecs to play .wma?
[01:28] <Schuenemann> but how did you set it with updat-alternatives ?
[01:28] <_kuja_> That extracted it into a folder in my home directory ... then I moved it to /usr/lib/jvm, and made it default
[01:28] <Schuenemann> update*
[01:28] <Schuenemann> how did you make it default?
[01:28] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: yes
[01:28] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks
[01:28] <Kr4t05> When certain applications check my OS version, they return "Debian testing/unstable." How can I change this to "Kubuntu 6.10"?
[01:28] <Admiral_Chicago> i couldn't figure it out, then i looked at the fiels
[01:29] <_kuja_> sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/java java /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.6.0-sun/jre/bin/java 10
[01:29] <Schuenemann> I'll try that
[01:29] <DaSkreech> Kr4t05: What does cat /etc/issue return ?
[01:29] <Kr4t05> Ubuntu 6.10 \n \l
[01:29] <DaSkreech> Kr4t05: Which apps?
[01:30] <Kr4t05> DaSkreech: l33tsig
[01:30] <Jucato> probably because Kubuntu packages are taken from Debian Sid
[01:30] <Kr4t05> I know someone else had a problem like this and fixed it by editing a text file.
[01:31] <malik__> matthew: What worked was to 1) install alsa-oss and 2) change the FIREFOX_DSP setting in /etc/firefox/firefoxrc to "aoss"
[01:31] <DaSkreech> _kuja_: Explanation of mustang
[01:31] <Schuenemann> mustang = java 6
[01:31] <DaSkreech> Kr4t05: Serious?
[01:31] <DaSkreech> Schuenemann: Ah Of course
[01:31] <Kr4t05> DaSkreech: Yeah.
[01:32] <ernz> Hi, can someone please tell me how to create a desktop shortcut in Kubuntu please
[01:32] <malik__> u need to edit firefoxrc n change the FIREFOX_DSP setting to aoss
[01:32] <DaSkreech> Kr4t05: You would think something called leet* would work better :)
[01:32] <DaSkreech> ernz: Create a aluncher
[01:32] <Schuenemann> right click the desktop > new > link to application
[01:32] <malik__> hopefully that shud do the trick
[01:32] <DaSkreech> ernz: Or what Schuenemann said
[01:33] <ernz> Scheunemann: I tried that, but it doesn't accept files being dragged and dropped onto it.
[01:33] <Schuenemann> I don't know if that's possible
[01:33] <malik__> does any one know anything abt todays updates?
[01:33] <Schuenemann> you can drag the executable to the desktop too
[01:33] <ernz> For example, I want a launcher for a folder: /home/me/Documents/
[01:34] <ernz> And then I want to be able to drag and drop items into that and have it put into the folder.
[01:34] <DaSkreech> Schuenemann: Java 6 ==java 1.6 ?
[01:34] <Schuenemann> yes
[01:34] <_kuja_> I think it's a marketing thing
[01:34] <DaSkreech> It's sun being dumb
[01:34] <Jucato> ernz: right-click -> Create New -> Link to Locations (URL) -> put in the location: "~/Documents" (without the quotes)
[01:35] <_kuja_> It's version bloat to the extreme.
[01:35] <Schuenemann> _kuja_: since that directory already contains 1.5, what do I do, now that I've extracted the 1.6 to /home ?
[01:35] <Jucato> hm.. new kernel...
[01:35] <malik__> does any one know anything abt todays updates?
[01:35] <_kuja_> I put it at /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.6.0-sun/
[01:36] <Schuenemann> oh yeah, sorry :)
[01:36] <DaSkreech> _kuja_: What's in 1.6? Not sure how it could have gotten more bloated
[01:36] <_kuja_> I can't recall, didn't bother to looka t the changelist
[01:36] <DaSkreech> Jucato: 2.6.20 supports Virtualized processors :)
[01:36] <_kuja_> I'm more than sure I will soon ... I really need to brush up on my java
[01:36] <Schuenemann> only download 1.6 if you're a java programmer
[01:37] <DaSkreech> _kuja_: Then how can you say it's ... never mind I read version bloat as feature bloat
[01:37] <ernz> Jucato: That is the sort of thing I am after. Thanks! Now is there a way of stopping the prompt for an action when dragging and dropping, and just make it Move by default?
[01:37] <_kuja_> I read it as pump up the version number: go from 1.4.2_06 to .... 5.0! w00t!
[01:37] <Jucato> ernz: press Shift when dragging it
[01:37] <DaSkreech> _kuja_: Well if i recall version 1.2 was java 2
[01:38] <Schuenemann> yep
[01:38] <ernz> Jucato: That's good enough! :) Thanks very much.
[01:38] <_kuja_> so was java 1.3, and java 1.4 ....
[01:38] <Schuenemann> it went from 1.4 to 1.5 because a lot changed
[01:38] <Schuenemann> not really, java 3 never existed
[01:38] <Schuenemann> not with this name
[01:38] <Jucato> ernz: pressing Ctrl copies it, pressing Ctrl+Shift makes a (sym)link to it
[01:38] <_kuja_> They promised not to go so long between releases anymore. Thankfully
[01:39] <Schuenemann> java 7 (dolphin) is already being developed
[01:39] <_kuja_> kuja@terra:~$ java -version
[01:39] <_kuja_> java version "1.6.0"
[01:39] <_kuja_> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0-b105)
[01:39] <_kuja_> Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 1.6.0-b105, mixed mode)
[01:40] <ernz> Jucato: Sym link --> A shortcut?!
[01:40] <_kuja_> ernz: you betcha .... wait, I'm not jucato :-p
[01:40] <Jucato> ernz: sort of, yeah
[01:41] <Schuenemann> _kuja_: can you tell me again how did you make it available from update-alternatives?
[01:41] <malik__> so any one know anything abt todays updates?
[01:41] <ernz> Jucato: Amazingly, helpful, cheers. (And to think I was just about to ditch KDE over something that simple!)
[01:41] <Jucato> :O
[01:42] <_kuja_> sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/java java /usr/lib/java/jvm/java-1.6.0-sun/jre/bin/java 10
[01:42] <ernz> Jucato: (First day with KDE) :)
[01:42] <Jucato> hehe )
[01:42] <Jucato> :)
[01:42] <Admiral_Chicago> !fstab
[01:42] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[01:42] <Schuenemann> _kuja_: what is this /usr/bin/java ?
[01:42] <ernz> Hey! Jucato...
[01:42] <_kuja_> the place where you want the symlink to be made
[01:42] <flaccid> Schuenemann: its the java jre
[01:42] <Jucato> huh?
[01:43] <ernz> You seem learned, maybe you can answer a question that has been bugging me for a while about ubuntu
[01:43] <DaSkreech> _kuja_: So you installed java wihtout having any clue what it does?
[01:43] <_kuja_> the second argument, java, is the alternative, the third argument, /usr/lib.... is the binary, and the fourth is the priority number, I just make it up, because I haven't figured out what I should make th enumber just yet
[01:43] <Schuenemann> humm I was about to ask that :p
[01:44] <Jucato> ernz: I can try, but I don't promise anything
[01:44] <_kuja_> afterwards, sudo update-alternatives --config java
[01:44] <_kuja_> You'll also need to setup something similar for javac, and perhaps jar, perhaps a couple of others
[01:44] <_kuja_> procedure is the same
[01:44] <Jucato> malik__: new kernel (2.6.17-10) and bug ICQ fixes for Kopete
[01:44] <darko> can some one tell me about routes?
[01:44] <ernz> In windows (I know, sinful, the shame....) I can hit F2 on a USB device, rename it in the text box field, and press "OK!!!!" All other systems will now recognise that device with that new name, savvy?
[01:44] <Schuenemann> argh... why that?
[01:45] <Schuenemann> there are a lot
[01:45] <darko> i have a route i need to deleti it every time i log on
[01:45] <darko> it keeps comming every time
[01:45] <_kuja_> Schuenmann, java, javac, and perhaps appletviewer are the ones I would set?
[01:45] <ernz> Jucato: I try the same in Ubuntu, and no matter what, sudo'n'all, I can't rename the blighters!! WHY!?
[01:45] <Schuenemann> javadoc...
[01:45] <_kuja_> sure, why not
[01:46] <Jucato> ernz: um... not really sure... haven't tried renaming any of the devices...
[01:46] <ernz> Jucato: I resorted many a time to sticking it into a Windows machine, and just doing it there, but that feels like cheating.
[01:46] <Schuenemann> can't I just add those to PATH?
[01:46] <_kuja_> Heck, why not just add /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.6.0-sun/bin to the path at this rate :D
[01:46] <_kuja_> I set the java and javac, didn't bother with anything else
[01:46] <ernz> !rename
[01:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rename - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:46] <_kuja_> And now that I think about it, I should add it to the path.
[01:46] <ernz> Jucato: I'm gonna find that out and then get right back to you...!
[01:46] <Schuenemann> so I should do --config javadoc etc?
[01:47] <DaSkreech> ernz: What makes the name?
[01:47] <_kuja_> I'd set javadoc too
[01:47] <_kuja_> in fact, I will now
[01:48] <_kuja_> sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/javadoc javadoc /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.6.0-sun/bin/javadoc 10
[01:48] <ernz> DaSkreech?
[01:49] <Schuenemann> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0-b105)
[01:49] <Schuenemann> :p
[01:49] <ernz> DaSkreech: Sorry, I don't understand your question.
[01:50] <DaSkreech> ernz: On the divice how is it set intially?
[01:50] <malik__> Jucato: is it safe to install em coz fourth update says that one should install linux-generic meta-package first in order to make everything work n go smoothly coz of different dependancy issues
[01:50] <DaSkreech> ernz: when you put in the USB thingy it comes upw ith a Name right?
[01:50] <ernz> DaSkreech: In the case of the device I bought today ( USB Multi Card Reader ) it was prenamed as "usbdisk"
[01:50] <DaSkreech> Ah so it was named when it was formatted?
[01:51] <ernz> DaSkreech: I assume so.
[01:51] <ernz> DaSkreech: My pen drive was named on XP, and kept it's name that is recognised by Kubuntu.
[01:51] <DaSkreech> Ah so there goes that theroy :)
[01:51] <ernz> Jucato/DaSkreech: It seems like such a simple thing to do, and I have never been able to do it in Ubuntu.
[01:51] <Jucato> malik__: yes. your old kernels won't be overwritten and a new kernel will be installed. you can always boot into the older kernel if you want
[01:52] <Admiral_Chicago> i've got a question
[01:52] <Schuenemann> _kuja_: I installed java 5 through apt-get, how do I remove it?
[01:52] <DaSkreech> ernz: I'd have to figure out what Windows is doing to tell you. It's obviously changing something about the Volume so I would suspect ti's something like that
[01:52] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm on amarok and have my music partition mounted on /mnt/Dapper
[01:52] <DaSkreech> ernz: This is in Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[01:52] <Admiral_Chicago> however! I am on the Feisty/Edgy system, and can only see /home and /media
[01:53] <ernz> DaSkreech: Neither work.
[01:53] <Schuenemann> ernz: what's the problem? that info is the partition name and is recorded in the pen drive
[01:53] <Admiral_Chicago> wth, can someone help me
[01:53] <DaSkreech> ernz: Maybe you can ask in #kde to see if anyone knows the difference between KDE and Windows
[01:53] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: you don't want to mount it in /media?
[01:53] <Jucato> !hidden | Admiral_Chicago
[01:53] <ubotu> Admiral_Chicago: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[01:53] <DaSkreech> Admiral_Chicago: With what?
[01:54] <ernz> Scheunemann: Couldn't tell you. All I know is that the drive is "Renamable" in Windows, but not on Linux. Perhaps a Fat32 thing???
[01:54] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: no i use /mnt, isn't that the right place for mounting shares?
[01:54] <malik__> Jucato: so i should be safe it i install the automatic updates n none of my customised settinmgs will be changed far as looks n taskbar settings are concerned?
[01:54] <DaSkreech> Schuenemann: He wants to change it from the mount point I guess
[01:54] <Schuenemann> hmmm...
[01:54] <Schuenemann> never tried that
[01:54] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: I really don't know. these days Linux seems to be moving to /media...
[01:54] <DaSkreech> Admiral_Chicago: Yes but why is that a problem?
[01:54] <DaSkreech> Admiral_Chicago: It is the right place
[01:54] <Jucato> malik__: yep
[01:54] <ernz> DaSkreech/Jucato/Scheunemann: Same problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=120412
[01:54] <Admiral_Chicago> DaSkreech: because amarok only list /home and /media
[01:55] <Admiral_Chicago> nothing mounted as root
[01:55] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: go to that page
[01:55] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Media is for mounted filesystems that are not intended to be permanent
[01:55] <DaSkreech> Admiral_Chicago: Where?
[01:55] <malik__> Jucato: thanx
[01:55] <rebecca> hi. im trying to get my sound working.. im currently getting the error: "Sound server fatal error: cpu overload, aborting" dialog pop up. I have via ac97 audio and it worked fine with debian. any ideas what i can try?
[01:55] <_kuja_> I'm back ...
[01:55] <DaSkreech> In the Make collection box?
[01:55] <Admiral_Chicago> ah i saw DaSkreech and Jucato thank
[01:56] <DaSkreech> rebecca: Me too :)
[01:56] <musya> how do i set my root password?
[01:56] <rebecca> DaSkreech: if noone can help me ill just have to switch back to debian.. how about you?
[01:56] <Schuenemann> !root | musya
[01:56] <ubotu> musya: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[01:56] <_kuja_> schuenmann: just sudo apt-get remove sun-java5-bin sun-java5-jre sun-java5-jdk (and any others you installed)
[01:57] <Schuenemann> _kuja_: I guess I'll keep it here, thanks
[01:57] <musya> ubotu: i understand that but for su -?
[01:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i understand that but for su -? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:57] <DaSkreech> rebecca: I just close it and close whatever is eating my CPU and I'm good after that
[01:57] <Schuenemann> musya: ubotu is a bot :p
[01:57] <Schuenemann> why do you need to log as root?
[01:57] <DaSkreech> Admiral_Chicago: Where is Amarok missing /mnt ?
[01:58] <Jucato> DaSkreech: in the Collections settings
[01:58] <the_hammer> apt-get distro upgrade how ya do that proper?
[01:58] <Schuenemann> you should use sudo or kdesu, when needed
[01:58] <DaSkreech> Jucato: ah that's bad I don't think that you can type in there
[01:58] <Jucato> DaSkreech: actually, if you go to / in any KDE app, too
[01:58] <musya> Schuenemann: yea i kinda figured...lol...wierd...but cool... yea i want to set my root passwd i know what it is for sudo but when i type in su- it doesnt work
[01:58] <rebecca> DaSkreech: but does your sound work? mine doesnt at all and the message keeps popping up. if i close it my system hangs for 6secs then it pops up again
[01:58] <Schuenemann> musya: they say there's no need for sy
[01:58] <DaSkreech> Jucato: I know but most of them yo ucan type
[01:58] <Jucato> musya: read that link to understand why
[01:58] <Schuenemann> su*
[01:59] <DaSkreech> rebecca: If I close something then it works after like a minute
[01:59] <musya> Schuenemann: the last one i got?
[01:59] <_kuja_> musya: if you want to set up su anyway, It's not difficult to accomplish
[01:59] <rebecca> DaSkreech: oh, im not that lucky...
[01:59] <Schuenemann> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[01:59] <Schuenemann> this one
[01:59] <musya> ah,ok
[01:59] <rebecca> can anyone help with fixing my sound because without sound i can't continue using this??
[01:59] <DaSkreech> rebecca: how many apps do you have open?
[01:59] <Schuenemann> I found it strange too, but up to now I never needed su :)
[01:59] <ernz> "mtools
[01:59] <ernz> !mtools
[01:59] <ubotu> mtools: Tools for manipulating MSDOS files. In component main, is optional. Version 3.9.10.ds1-3 (edgy), package size 197 kB, installed size 484 kB
[02:00] <rebecca> DaSkreech: um.. a few
[02:00] <Jucato> DaSkreech: I'm not really sure. but I think according to the FHS (Filesystem Heirarchy Standard, on which the Linux filesystem heirarchy is based) says that /mnt is for "temporarily mounted filesystems" that the admin mounts as needed
[02:00] <Admiral_Chicago> DaSkreech: configure amarok -- configure collection
[02:00] <DaSkreech> rebecca: Any of htem CPU hogs?
[02:00] <rebecca> DaSkreech: yeah.. artsd
[02:00] <DaSkreech> Jucato: not since /media came in. /mnt is for permanent mounts
[02:01] <Schuenemann> _kuja_: so, will this installation update newer build of jdk 6?
[02:01] <DaSkreech>  rebecca: of course
[02:01] <rebecca> the dialog is accurate.. it's chewing all my cpu when ever it attempts to run then falls horribly on it's ass
[02:01] <Schuenemann> builds*
[02:01] <Jucato> DaSkreech: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html
[02:01] <DaSkreech> rebecca: What is using it?
[02:01] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: wma isn't in w32codecs
[02:01] <rebecca> DaSkreech: kde
[02:01] <_kuja_> Schuenemann, no, you'd have to do it manually.
[02:01] <DaSkreech> rebecca: Huh?
[02:01] <Admiral_Chicago> i just installed it, music still won't play
[02:01] <Schuenemann> oh my,,,
[02:01] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: it is
[02:01] <Schuenemann> this is a nightmare
[02:01] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: then this package needs to die
[02:01] <rebecca> DaSkreech: "huh?" isnt a constructive question
[02:01] <DaSkreech> rebecca: this is some beep sound eating the CPU?
[02:02] <DaSkreech> rebecca: Not a dedicated music application?
[02:02] <rebecca> DaSkreech: no
[02:02] <DaSkreech> :-(
[02:02] <Admiral_Chicago> it's frustrating, my buddy is like "sure put linux on my computer" NOTHIN works like it should
[02:02] <DaSkreech> that only happens to me when I'm running mplay kaffiene and amarok at teh same time
[02:02] <_kuja_> Schuenemann, it'll probably be in Feisty's repos, but for now, if we want the newest things, we have to do things manually.
[02:02] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: how about libxine-extracodecs ?
[02:02] <Schuenemann> ok, thanks for your help
[02:02] <Admiral_Chicago> got that
[02:02] <DaSkreech> Admiral_Chicago: I think that w32codecs is one vesion behind
[02:03] <rebecca> DaSkreech: oh.. mine doesnt work altogether
[02:03] <rebecca> and everyone seem to have me on ignore
[02:03] <DaSkreech> rebecca: what happens if you logout and log back in?
[02:03] <_kuja_> rebecca, it's not muted or anything silly like that is it?
[02:03] <rebecca> DaSkreech: it still doesnt work
[02:03] <rebecca> _kuja_: no. muting it would cause an error
[02:03] <DaSkreech> Admiral_Chicago: which wma are you trying to play
[02:03] <rebecca> wouldnt**
[02:03] <Admiral_Chicago> uhh, not really sure
[02:04] <DaSkreech> Admiral_Chicago: It could be protected which means you can't play it unless you are in Windows
[02:04] <_kuja_> rebecca, another thing to check, type groups in a terminal, to ensure you're a member of the audio group
[02:04] <Jucato> oh yeah, DRM'ed Windows Media won't play
[02:04] <rebecca> _kuja_: yup, audio is there
[02:04] <eilker> hi to all
[02:05] <Admiral_Chicago> that's true, but i found this guide
[02:05] <Admiral_Chicago> might need libxine-main
[02:05] <Admiral_Chicago> main1
[02:05] <DaSkreech> rebecca: What are your machine specs?
[02:05] <_kuja_> rebecca, what does "lsmod | grep snd" output?
[02:05] <_kuja_> !pastebin
[02:05] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:06] <crimsun_> rebecca: I asked you a question some hours ago, and you didn't respond directly to me.
[02:06] <php-freak> hey guys how can i get codecs for kubuntu?
[02:06] <php-freak> I can play videos, but i get no sound
[02:06] <php-freak> my sound card is working fine
[02:06] <php-freak> just no sound off internet videos, and etc
[02:06] <rebecca> crimsun_: probably because i went to bed... but i did leave a message about that and contacting me via PM
[02:06] <crimsun_> rebecca: no, 30 minutes prior to that.
[02:06] <claydoh> !codecs
[02:06] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:08] <php-freak> well im getting videos, just no sound
[02:08] <crimsun_> php-freak: for Flash?
[02:08] <php-freak> no just like regular videos
[02:08] <php-freak> and flash
[02:08] <rebecca> _kuja_:
[02:08] <rebecca> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/7hSnzC42.html
[02:08] <crimsun_> php-freak: are you using Dapper or Edgy?
[02:09] <php-freak> kubuntu
[02:09] <php-freak> i sussposed it dapper
[02:09] <rebecca> crimsun_: can you ask it again please?
[02:09] <crimsun_> rebecca: sure. Did you get Kubuntu installed to the HD?
[02:09] <rebecca> yup
[02:09] <Admiral_Chicago> i think i got it
[02:09] <crimsun_> rebecca: then you need to re-execute the command I gave you regarding snd-via82xx.
[02:10] <DaSkreech> crimsun_: I wouldn't mind finding out why that happens. I have it happen from time to time
[02:10] <rebecca> crimsun_:  can you give that too me again. i was running the live cd then so it wasnt logged
[02:10] <crimsun_> rebecca: i.e., echo options snd-via82xx dxs_support=2|sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[02:10] <claydoh> php-freak: if you install the kubuntu-specific packages listed
[02:10] <claydoh> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats#head-74857744ddf74499c6447a19c7e94a2fcb382e0c
[02:10] <claydoh> you should get soun
[02:10] <crimsun_> DaSkreech: your hardware is defective, and the driver has to work around it.
[02:10] <rebecca> crimsun_: options snd-via82xx dxs_support=2
[02:11] <crimsun_> rebecca: correct.
[02:11] <DaSkreech> defective how?
[02:11] <crimsun_> DaSkreech: the codec does not respond to 'reset' properly
[02:11] <DaSkreech> HMm ok
[02:11] <DaSkreech> sudo tee :)
[02:11] <DaSkreech> that's a cool way to sudo echo :)
[02:11] <crimsun_> we worked around it in snd-via82xx, but it's not foolproof, since there are too many manufacturers that use duplicate codec IDs
[02:12] <rebecca> ahhhh
[02:13] <DaSkreech> How often does that need to be applied?
[02:13] <crimsun_> it needs to be applied whenever snd-via82xx is loaded.
[02:13] <crimsun_> the command I gave configures the module option to be used automatically.
[02:14] <rebecca> crimsun_: soo.. how do i fix it?
[02:14] <rebecca> it's still doing the same thing
[02:14] <crimsun_> rebecca: did you unload and reload snd-via82xx?
[02:14] <crimsun_> (or reboot)
[02:14] <matthew_> Admiral_Chicago, malik__ ,darn it, I ran out of time at work...but I'll try again on Friday.
[02:14] <matthew_> oh well
[02:15] <rebecca> crimsun_: so that change you asked me to do is persistant?
[02:15] <DaSkreech> crimsun_: Logout/in wouldn't work?
[02:15] <crimsun_> rebecca: it persists.
[02:15] <crimsun_> DaSkreech: no.
[02:15] <malik__> thats okie ........take care mate n have a good one
[02:15] <matthew_> malik__,  you too, have a good one.
[02:15] <rebecca> okay. ill reboot and see
[02:16] <_kuja_> "sudo rmmod snd_via82xx && sudo modprobe snd_via82xx" perhaps?
[02:16] <crimsun_> modprobe -r && modprobe usually suffices, but sometime the codec is "stuck".
[02:16] <crimsun_> in that case, a cold boot is required.
[02:16] <crimsun_> not even a warm boot (reboot) will suffice.
[02:16] <_kuja_> Ouch
[02:16] <DaSkreech> is that a problem with modprobe or with the module?
[02:17] <crimsun_> it's a problem with your hardware.
[02:17] <_kuja_> Exactly what I was about to say.
[02:17] <crimsun_> as in the actual codec itself sitting on the mainboard.
[02:17] <DaSkreech> The hardware codec?
[02:18] <_kuja_> If manufacturers did a good job at it, you probably wouldn't have to, I would think.
[02:19] <DaSkreech> :-)
[02:19] <crimsun_> DaSkreech: your sound hardware is comprised of a dsp and a codec.
[02:19] <DaSkreech> Yeah I know. I just never think of it :)
[02:23] <DaSkreech> rebecca: Good?
[02:23] <rebecca> crimsun_: you're a champ :)
[02:23] <rebecca> DaSkreech: yup
[02:24] <DaSkreech> :-)
[02:24] <crimsun_> of course. I fixed it upstream; I'd hope I know what I'm talking about.
[02:24] <_kuja_> reboot? oh .. now whatever might that be :D
[02:25] <DaSkreech> Tell me about it
[02:25] <DaSkreech>  I came in one day and someone had rebooted my machine after near two months of uptime
[02:25] <rebecca> hehe. my faith is restored in [k] ubuntu :)
[02:26] <_kuja_> DaSkreech, funny. I think my records about a month, because I usually end up with experimenting with some thing or another within that amount of time.
[02:26] <DaSkreech> rebecca: I'm surprised it got shook
[02:26] <Schuenemann> _kuja_: I added this line to ~/.bash_profile : export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.6.0-sun/jdk1.6.0
[02:26] <DaSkreech> See?? I had purposely not done anything so I wouldn't have to reboot
[02:26] <Schuenemann> why doesn't echo $JAVA_HOME print anything?
[02:26] <_kuja_> it doesn't?
[02:26] <DaSkreech> _kuja_: So why the urge to get java 1.6 with no clue what it has under the hood?
[02:26] <Schuenemann> no :/
[02:27] <_kuja_> So I can force myself to figure out what is under the hood at a later time?
[02:27] <Schuenemann> DaSkreech: the sun website has all the new features... check it out
[02:27] <_kuja_> I really need to brush up on Java.
[02:27] <robomoore> can I type right into xorg.conf to change things?
[02:27] <Schuenemann> _kuja_: how is your .bash_profile ?
[02:27] <DaSkreech> Schuenemann: Yeah I'm interested why _kuja_ went to get it and configure it without reading it
[02:27] <Schuenemann> the line that exports $JAVA_HOME
[02:27] <crimsun_> there's nothing terribly shocking.
[02:27] <crimsun_> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0-b105)
[02:28] <Schuenemann> DaSkreech: well, it the latest release... he'll to do it sometime
[02:28] <DaSkreech> crimsun_: it's pythonic as I recall
[02:29] <_kuja_> Hmm, that's interesting, mine wouldn't print it out either :O
[02:29] <Schuenemann> no variables?
[02:29] <Schuenemann> classpath?
[02:30] <joel_> eh
[02:30] <_kuja_> move it to the .bashrc .....
[02:31] <Schuenemann> it worked @ .bashrc?
[02:31] <_kuja_> indeed
[02:31] <Schuenemann> :D
[02:32] <Red-Sox[away] > I have Kubuntu on my notebook, how do I get it to recognize an external VGA display?
[02:33] <Schuenemann> working :p
[02:33] <Ash-Fox> !java
[02:33] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[02:34] <DaSkreech> Red-Sox[away] : My first guess would be in System Settings -> Monitor/display
[02:37] <Red-Sox[away] > DaSkreech: Nope :\
[02:38] <DaSkreech> Red-Sox[away] : Restart X?
[02:40] <jontec> hey you guys... I'm setting up Kubuntu 6.06 on my laptop right now. Using the GUI setup once I create a hard drive partition, it doesn't let me make a swap partition with the free space at the end. Why?
[02:41] <DaSkreech> What error?
[02:41] <RD> i can sympahtise jontec, every time i see the kubuntu partitioner i have a relapse into insanity caused by the memory of trying to do anything complex with it
[02:41] <RD> or in fact easy with it :P
[02:41] <dettoaltrimenti_> in konqueror, how do you change from the 'web' type buttons to the 'file explorer' type buttons?
[02:42] <flaccid> !gstreamer
[02:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gstreamer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:42] <flaccid> i need a different engine besides xine to play streaming mp3 radio with amarok. what package contains it in ubuntu?
[02:43] <Schuenemann> !x
[02:43] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:43] <jontec> flaccid: you can use gstreamer
[02:43] <Schuenemann> !kde
[02:43] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[02:43] <jontec> flaccid: I think
[02:43] <flaccid> jontec: yes i need the package, what is it called?
[02:43] <DaSkreech> dettoaltrimenti_: I would guess open it as a file explorer
[02:43] <dettoaltrimenti_> flaccid: totem maybe?
[02:43] <flaccid> dettoaltrimenti_: i want the engine only
[02:44] <flaccid> ah well i'll just install the extra crap anyway
[02:44] <DaSkreech> flaccid: installed amarok-engines ?
[02:44] <jontec> wasn't there another repository that you had ot add... I remember there was for libxine-extracodecs at least... so maybe it is for gstreamer as well?
[02:45] <flaccid> DaSkreech: thats the xine engine only
[02:45] <DaSkreech> flaccid: Sooo inapprioately named?
[02:46] <jontec> flaccid: have you looked at the wiki? If that's where I saw that extra repo... you might try adding it and then searching for a gstreamer package?
[02:46] <flaccid> yeah
[02:46] <flaccid> which wiki, jontec
[02:46] <jontec> flaccid: I think... uhh... ubuntu
[02:47] <jontec> flaccid: might have been amaroK, though... it was a LONG time ago
[02:47] <jontec> I was looking to add mp3 support.
[02:47] <jontec> Setting the active partition in qtparted does what now (my question :D)?
[02:48] <pacman_> hey flaccid
[02:48] <jontec> Oh and will the setup allow me to go ahead and create the first partition that I need and then create the swap partition after that?
[02:48] <pacman_> do you have a .flac to .mp3 converter that you recommend?
[02:49] <DaSkreech> jontec: It makes that partiion bootable
[02:49] <DaSkreech> jontec: It wont?
[02:49] <jontec> DaSkreech: okay, good. So, remove the flag from the win32 partition?
[02:49] <flaccid> hi pacman. sorry never done that
[02:49] <DaSkreech> jontec: No I think You can reuse it
[02:50] <jontec> DaSkreech: wait so... does it prevent it from being bootable for/by windows as well?
[02:50] <jontec> Gosh I wish I had done this installation when I did the other one... T_T
[02:50] <_kuja_> gah! this is odd ...
[02:51] <DaSkreech> jontec: Nope if you leave it then Grub will configure a pointer to boot into windows
[02:52] <_kuja_> kuja@terra:~$ sudo parted /dev/sda10 print | grep 10
[02:52] <_kuja_> Disk /dev/sda10: 228GB
[02:52] <_kuja_> yet it says I only have 9 gb ...... I wonder if this is another one of those UUID problems
[02:52] <jonathan_> what is the command to use alien to convert an rpm to deb package and have it automatically install
[02:53] <dettoaltrimenti_> what do you guys think is better- ktorrent or azureus?
[02:53] <DaSkreech> ktorrent :)
[02:53] <Schuenemann> I like azureus
[02:53] <jonathan_> detto azureus my friend uses it and he says its really good
[02:53] <RD> azureus if you have 20gb of ram ;)
[02:53] <DaSkreech> I like the new web interface for it
[02:54] <jonathan_> dask
[02:54] <dettoaltrimenti_> do you think the downloads would be any faster?
[02:54] <jontec> DaSkreech: Grub will configure the pointer when I attempt to book kubuntu? (Here's what I want to do... :D I want to have read-only access to my windows partition from linux.... and no access at all from windows... what do I set the active for?)
[02:54] <jontec> boot*
[02:54] <jonathan_> dask what is the command to use alien to convert an rpm to deb package and have it automatically install
[02:54] <dettoaltrimenti_> _kuja_ what's hard about it?
[02:54] <DaSkreech> jontec: Eh?
[02:54] <_kuja_> Nothing is hard, just I can't _effectively_ use them.
[02:54] <DaSkreech> jontec: You don't want Windows?
[02:55] <DaSkreech> jonathan_: try man alien
[02:55] <_kuja_> When your upload speed is ~2kbs it makes it hard to get any speed out of a torrent
[02:55] <jonathan_> i am and figuredd it out now thanks dude
[02:55] <DaSkreech> jonathan_: No problem
[02:55] <dettoaltrimenti_> oh, gotcha. yeah
[02:55] <jonathan_> dask that is whhhat im telling him he needs to maake ssssure it doesnt shrink the win partition but completely erases it
[02:55] <Schuenemann> !alien
[02:55] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[02:56] <jontec> DaSkreech: I do want windows sorry... I want no access to my linux partition from windows :D... and read-only access to the windows partition from inside linux.
[02:56] <jonathan_> jonnntec on windows download vmware server
[02:56] <jontec> :D Don't want to remove windows. That'd be bad.
[02:56] <jonathan_> run it as a vrtualll machine
[02:56] <DaSkreech> jontec: Don't worry windows takes care of that by default
[02:56] <jonathan_> that is the way i have it right now
[02:56] <jontec> DaSkreech: what do you mean?
[02:57] <jonathan_> daask cant he run it from windows as a virtual machine
[02:57] <jontec> jonathan: I've run vmware before... I want a dedicated system to linux :D
[02:57] <DaSkreech> Windows doesn't recogniize anything outside of FAT and NTFS
[02:57] <jonathan_> ahhhh  ok
[02:57] <DaSkreech> So you wont be able to see Linux stuff
[02:57] <RD> isnt there an ext driver for windows
[02:57] <RD> ?
[02:57] <_kuja_> Yes
[02:57] <jontec> DaSkreech: okay, good. ^_^ so where does my active flag go?
[02:57] <LjL> !ext3 | RD
[02:57] <ubotu> RD: ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[02:57] <DaSkreech>  and they won't release teh specs for NTFS ( iassume that's what you have WIndows installed on) so LInux is too chicken to write into it
[02:58] <RD> yus i know LjL, but its one way to share files
[02:58] <DaSkreech> jontec: I'd say leave it as is
[02:58] <RD> if you want to read NTFS in linux you can always use NTFS/captive
[02:58] <jontec> DaSkreech: which was active flag on windows?
[02:58] <RD> it nabs the windows install NTFS driver, works pretty well :)
[02:58] <DaSkreech> jontec: yes
[02:58] <Schuenemann> !nabs
[02:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nabs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:58] <LjL> RD: ... ? i'm not getting you, you asked whether there was an ext3 (well, you said "ext", i suppose that was what you meant) driver for Windows, and i pointed you to one
[02:58] <jontec> DaSkreech: gracias. okay. let's see what I get from this.
[02:58] <jonathan_> i honestly prefer using a virtual machine that way u wont have anything to wry aout but that is just me
[02:59] <DaSkreech> RD: The point is that by default windows does what he wants
[02:59] <RD> ah sorry LjL
[02:59] <corporate> Hi, does anybody here have an experience with nvtv
[03:01] <jonathan_> i honestly dont know what i did i must have installed a package on here yesterday but for some reason i wasnt able to find the dvd burner or my flash drive
[03:01] <jonathan_> also i couldnt login into sudo -s
[03:02] <jonathan_> somehhow something happened to my root accuont too
[03:02] <jonathan_> lost 2 important files but thats ok
[03:03] <_kuja_> login in the backup mode, fix it from there ...
[03:03] <jonathan_> now im runniing kbuntu as a virtual machine
[03:03] <jonathan_> too late kuja
[03:03] <_kuja_> ah
[03:03] <jonathan_> installed xp and vmware server and i have it up and running now as a virutal machine
[03:03] <jonathan_> i have to say i realllly love virutall maaaachinees
[03:03] <_kuja_> Woulnd't have taken long to fix, though it'd be interesting to hear how it got broken
[03:03] <jonathan_> lol true
[03:04] <jonathan_> ill see if i can do it aagain  on here
[03:04] <jonathan_> lol
[03:04] <DaSkreech> jonathan_: You are going to love 2.6.20
[03:04] <_kuja_> lol
[03:04] <jonathan_> ?
[03:04] <jonathan_> y dask
[03:04] <RD> the KVM think DaSkreech?
[03:04] <jonathan_> im lost
[03:04] <DaSkreech> RD: Eh?
[03:04] <RD> its the name of the new virtualisation system
[03:04] <jonathan_> ohhhhh
[03:04] <RD> KVM
[03:05] <DaSkreech> jonathan_: It has hardware virtualisation built in
[03:05] <jonathan_> i also still have to figure out how to use xen on suse
[03:05] <DaSkreech> what does KVM stand for?
[03:05] <jonathan_> nice
[03:05] <RD> cant remember
[03:05] <jonathan_> lol
[03:05] <RD> they shouldhave picked a different name though
[03:05] <DaSkreech> :-)
[03:05] <DaSkreech> Yah
[03:05] <Chetwin> Can anyone help me with icons???
[03:05] <Chetwin> Or should I be in a diff channel for icons
[03:05] <DaSkreech> RD: What does it refer to in this case?
[03:05] <jonathan_> once i learn c programming  next semester would any of u be interested in helping me develop stuff for kbuntu
[03:06] <RD> DaSkreech its kernel-based virtual machine
[03:06] <DaSkreech> Ahhhh
[03:06] <joshy> how can i change "user rights" on an ntfs partition with linux
[03:06] <DaSkreech> RD: Which is ! Xen?
[03:06] <corporate> Hi, does anybody here have an experience with nvtv
[03:06] <jonathan_> lol
[03:06] <Chetwin> !icons
[03:06] <ubotu> Want to see volume/trash icons on the desktop? Go to /apps/nautilus/desktop in gconf-editor (Gnome) or go to http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/tipsntrix.html#showtrash (KDE)
[03:06] <RD> no, its something new going into the main line
[03:06] <jonathan_> once i learn c programming  next semester would any of u be interested in helping me develop stuff for kbuntu
[03:06] <dettoaltrimenti_> what is the name of the program that is the GUI for kubuntu
[03:07] <RD> KDE
[03:07] <jonathan_> KDE
[03:07] <dettoaltrimenti_> if I was in terminal and wanted to run KDE, what would I type in the terminal
[03:07] <DaSkreech> KDE
[03:07] <Chetwin> Can anyone help me out with icons?
[03:07] <DaSkreech> startx
[03:07] <joshy> once again: how can i change "user rights" on an ntfs partition with linux
[03:07] <jonathan_> alot of the coding for linux is done in c am i correct
[03:07] <DaSkreech> Chetwin: Maybe you should ask what you want to know
[03:07] <jontec> hey... so I've written the changes to disk, but there are 2GB left on my machine that I want to use for swap (1GB)... it's not letting me write to it
[03:07] <DaSkreech> !anyone
[03:07] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[03:08] <RD> joshy you probably cant very easily, however id search for ntfs captive as a place to start
[03:08] <DaSkreech> jonathan_: For the kernel in KDE it's all C++
[03:08] <DaSkreech> joshy: Use Windows
[03:08] <dettoaltrimenti_> can I only run KDE in one session at a time?
[03:08] <joshy> DaSkreech: thx
[03:08] <jonathan_> im not really interested in kernel development
[03:08] <DaSkreech> joshy: YOu can't make them stick in linux unless you use a UID in fstab
[03:08] <corporate> Hi, I want some help with setting up nvtv :(
[03:08] <jonathan_> im talking bout aplication development
[03:08] <jonathan_> dask
[03:08] <DaSkreech> joshy: you want them permanent?
[03:09] <RD> http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ :: read-write driver for ntfs can set permissions IIRC
[03:09] <Chetwin> If I want to creat a "launch" button like the start button in XP, how can I get the icon to be long horizontally and short vertically.  When I try drawing it that way, the panel shrinks it
[03:09] <DaSkreech> dettoaltrimenti_: No
[03:09] <Ash-Fox> !gnash
[03:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gnash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:09] <DaSkreech> dettoaltrimenti_: You can run two X servers and run two sessions with whatever you want on both
[03:09] <Ash-Fox> Hm, strange that free flash plugin that supports flash 7 stuf isn't in the repositories
[03:09] <dettoaltrimenti_> I get this error: server is already active for display 0
[03:09] <DaSkreech> Chetwin: Hmm not sure have you asked in #kde ?
[03:09] <jonathan_> ash add more repositories and it will add more to the list of available apps
[03:09] <LjL> Ash-Fox: i have it there. not sure why the bot doesn't have it
[03:10] <joshy> DaSkreech: i'm trying to change to linux
[03:10] <DaSkreech> dettoaltrimenti_: try it with display 1
[03:10] <LjL> Ash-Fox: oh nevermind, it's only there in edgy-backports
[03:10] <DaSkreech> joshy: Right give us the bigger problem
[03:10] <jonathan_> ljl all she has to do is add more repositories in the adept manager
[03:10] <DaSkreech> joshy: We may be able to help you with that
[03:10] <DaSkreech> Not me though I'm stepping out
[03:10] <RD> joshy: you an set the permissions in fstab that are aplied to drives when they are mounted... what permissions are you trying to set?
[03:10] <LjL> jonathan_, thank you, but i was merely wondering why Ubotu didn't list that package.
[03:10] <Ash-Fox> jonathan_, I do believe I have most of the repositories for ubuntu in my sources.list
[03:11] <jonathan_> interesting
[03:11] <Ash-Fox> !backports
[03:11] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[03:11] <dettoaltrimenti_> daskreech: it doesn't work in display 1, I also tried with display 4
[03:11] <_kuja_> haha, irony, the use of the word "if"
[03:11] <joshy> RD: normally the ntfs usage works fine, but over samba it makes troubles
[03:12] <LjL> _kuja_: why? in most cases, they are *not* built
[03:12] <Ash-Fox> LjL, I'm just going to install it from the .deb file :)
[03:12] <LjL> Ash-Fox: what's wrong with backports?
[03:12] <_kuja_> "What's wrong with backports": The fact that 90% of the time they don't exist?
[03:12] <RD> http://electron.mit.edu/~gsteele/linuxfaq/ joshy
[03:12] <LjL> _kuja_: well in this case they do
[03:12] <RD> the DOS drive section
[03:12] <RD> its the same principle
[03:13] <Ash-Fox> LjL, wouldn't a apt-get upgrade break my system with the backports in my sources.list ?
[03:13] <RD> i believe :)
[03:13] <RD> you may need to set up a new group called ntfs-users for this
[03:13] <LjL> Ash-Fox: just don't run an apt-get upgrade if you're worried
[03:13] <LjL> Ash-Fox: add backports, "sudo apt-get update", install gnash, and then feel free to comment backports out again
[03:15] <joshy> RD: on this side i don't get the right information
[03:15] <_kuja_> I have a funny feeling that playing in this virtual machine which happens to be setting my system clock is going to end up moving my system clock back in time, after having recieved email, making the timestamp "invalid" such that I my emails pull a dissappearing act again ....
[03:16] <Ash-Fox> LjL, it's apparently not in backports
[03:16] <Ash-Fox> Oh blah, I keep doing dapper, stupid stupid fox
[03:16] <LjL>   Candidate: 0.7.2-1~edgy1  Version table: 0.7.2-1~edgy1 0     500 http://se.archive.ubuntu.com edgy-backports/universe Packages
[03:16] <LjL> ah, *dapper*
[03:17] <RD> joshy the idea i think will be to set the correct permissions in /etc/fstab for yor system so that the samba user has full read access, right?
[03:20] <ktnu> hola
[03:21] <Schuenemann> !es | k-tnu
[03:21] <ubotu> k-tnu: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[03:22] <Phelanor> Hiya everyone
[03:22] <jerp> how do I add an item to the menu list?
[03:23] <jerp> nevermind....
[03:23] <joshy> RD: I dont't exactly know what you mean; i'm an linux n00b; normally i have full access to the ntfs partition; but with samba i can't get an read permission to this partition (to 'normal' file systems it's np )
[03:24] <malik__> can any1 tell how to chk the kernel version?
[03:24] <RD> uname -a
[03:25] <RD> np joshy i think that whats happening is that the ntfs drive is getting permissions for users but not for samba, which runs under its own user and group
[03:25] <RD> so, you just need to poke it a little to give samba access to the drive by default
[03:25] <matthew_> malik__, my default kernel is 2.6.17-10-generic...I want to use the 2.6.* kernel that's optimised for 686...but I can only find the 2.4.* kernel...
[03:25] <_kuja_> woo, I do believe I just crashed ubuiquity-kde
[03:26] <Phelanor> I'm having an installation problem.  Are there known problems with ATI cards?
[03:26] <the_hammer> hey is there no other settings then 800 x 600?
[03:26] <joshy> RD: i'm n00b so .....
[03:27] <the_hammer> i got a 21 inch monitor for pete sake and my fonts and crap is so big a blinde person could see
[03:27] <malik__> Linux malik-desktop 2.6.17-10-generic #2 SMP Tue Dec 5 22:28:26 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux................. i get this msg after the last update.........can any1 tell if its correct version?
[03:27] <robomoore> is it possible to become root within programs?
[03:27] <RD> unfortunatly im not sitting at a linux box right now so i cant check anything for you joshy :/
[03:27] <fnord__> !pastebin
[03:27] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:27] <robomoore> like kate?
[03:27] <malik__> matthew: far as i can tell that is the latest
[03:28] <_kuja_> kdesu kate?
[03:28] <robomoore> without reopening the program
[03:28] <_kuja_> AFAIK, no.
[03:28] <malik__> matthew: try uname -a command n see if it shows 686 in the line which comes out after executing that command
[03:28] <TehKewl1> is dapper going to get gtk 2.10 in it's repository?
[03:29] <the_hammer> is possible to get better display other then 800 x 600 or do i gotta yet again scrap a distro and install another?
[03:29] <Red-Sox> Grrr....
[03:29] <washbear> hi - any OOo 2.1 .deb for (K)Ubuntu yet?
[03:29] <robomoore> the_hammer: it's your drivers
[03:29] <Red-Sox> kubuntu freezes here every startup http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cimg1834el6.jpg
[03:29] <Phelanor> red: I have the same problem
[03:30] <RD> joshy: theres a good guide to fstab here (http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-newbie/71273-howto-mounting-windows-partitions-linux-editing-fstab-file.html) and you can see what user samba uses by checking the /etc/users file (read it with cat /etc/users | less on the command line)
[03:30] <fnord__> can i get some help find out whats slowing my computer down?im running  256mg ram and a 1.5 gig intel celeronM and alll my apps keep slowing to a halt
[03:30] <robomoore> Red-Sox: try safemode
[03:30] <Phelanor> What video card do you have?
[03:30] <Phelanor> robo: Tried that, same issue
[03:30] <fnord__> like a shel comand to list running pros and then ill postbin it
[03:30] <robomoore> really, Phelanor, interesting.
[03:30] <Phelanor> i tried to install this past summer, same problem I think it was because of my ATI card
[03:30] <Red-Sox> robomoore: good point
[03:31] <Phelanor> I saw a fix somewhere on the internet
[03:31] <Phelanor> But I lost it.
[03:31] <the_hammer> radeon x550 and no linux drivers for it
[03:31] <Phelanor> : (
[03:31] <the_hammer> linux drivers aint available untill the 850 series
[03:31] <Admiral_Chicago> anyone know how to get rid of that annoying blue globe in the FX icon for the panel
[03:31] <matthew_> malik__, thanks so much, when I was using dapper, I had to install the new 686 kernel, cause the 386 kernel was installed by default
[03:31] <robomoore> I would try it Red-Sox, but that won't just fix your problem
[03:31] <Phelanor> I had to somehow start with a different settings for xorg
[03:31] <BluesKaj> the radeon open source fglrx drivers will work
[03:31] <Admiral_Chicago> there was a work around on !firefox (i know i wrote part of it) but i can't find in
[03:31] <the_hammer> are ya sure?
[03:32] <BluesKaj> I'm using them on my xpress200
[03:32] <the_hammer> ok can ya help me cuz im not sure what im doing
[03:32] <robomoore> Red-Sox: try finding out why it's freezing, like if there's an error in the command structure
[03:32] <robomoore> the_hammer: one sec
[03:32] <the_hammer> k
[03:33] <robomoore> !radeon x550 the_hammer
[03:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about radeon x550 the_hammer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:33] <robomoore> hmm
[03:33] <robomoore> no
[03:33] <robomoore> !radeon x550
[03:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about radeon x550 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:33] <robomoore> ...
[03:33] <malik__> matthew: same with me but this new one came with automatic update n edgy so im guessing this is newer coz when i checked with adept it showed 686 but said that has been oboleted by generic...........what ever that means...........i guess i have to ask jucato
[03:33] <fnord__> can i get some help find out whats slowing my computer down?im running  256mg ram and a 1.5 gig intel celeronM and alll my apps keep slowing to a halt.or do i just ot have enuf ram?
[03:33] <the_hammer> x550 drivers are not available ive had linux over 6months and never did find drivers for it
[03:33] <the_hammer> they dont come available till 850series
[03:33] <malik__> obsoleted*
[03:34] <matthew_> fnord__, I would go for at least 512...I'm using that and it's maxed out.
[03:34] <the_hammer> ive red forums and card makers sites and everything
[03:34] <BluesKaj> the_hammer,  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-c966b2cb7c82944d6883f27a2896725db3b90a3a
[03:34] <robomoore> danke BluesKaj
[03:34] <matthew_> malik__, yeah, I saw that it had been obsoleted as well, but I wasn't sure...
[03:34] <Admiral_Chicago> gah
[03:35] <malik__> what do u think Admiral?
[03:35] <Phelanor> I'm having some problems installing Ubuntu, I think it is because of my ATI card, does anyone have a workaround?
[03:35] <fnord__> is there a way i could suplement for my lack of ram?like make my swap drive
[03:35] <Phelanor> I get the status bar with some green and blue mess under it
[03:35] <fnord__> bigger
[03:36] <Phelanor> There used to be a way to get around it reconfguring xorg
[03:36] <Phelanor> before installation
[03:36] <Phelanor> but i cant seem to find the solution again
[03:36] <matthew_> fnord__, well, you're swap can only be 2 gigs...which is what I have, but you can make multiple swap partitions...
[03:36] <matthew_> *your
[03:36] <GWild_Gen2> Excuse me (I just installed Kubuntu) -> is there no 'wheel' group in kubuntu?
[03:36] <fnord__> matthew_: would that e benificial?
[03:37] <Adlai> for anyone having problems with an ati radeon card, you need the following things in place: 1) xorg.conf has to have Driver "fglrx" in the device section you're using, 2) you need the kernel module fglrx installed, and then to use modprobe fglrx, 3) restart X
[03:37] <GWild_Gen2> I don't seem to be able to 'su' from the command prompt
[03:37] <matthew_> fnord__, I doubt it.
[03:37] <LjL> GWild_Gen2: no... there is an 'admin' group though
[03:37] <LjL> Ubotu, tell GWild_Gen2 about root | GWild_Gen2, see the private message from Ubotu
[03:37] <matthew_> fnord__, how big is your swap?
[03:37] <Phelanor> adlai: how would I go about doing that on install?
[03:37] <BluesKaj> Phelanor ,  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-c966b2cb7c82944d6883f27a2896725db3b90a3a
[03:37] <LjL> GWild_Gen2: you can't use 'su', use 'sudo <command>' (or 'sudo -i' if you want a persistent root login)
[03:37] <malik__> Admiral_Chicago: Linux malik-desktop 2.6.17-10-generic #2 SMP Tue Dec 5 22:28:26 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux................. i get this msg after the last update.........plz can you tell if its correct version?
[03:37] <Adlai> you'd need to do everything from the command prompt
[03:37] <the_hammer> cool thanks
[03:37] <Adlai> what is your exact problem
[03:37] <LjL> GWild_Gen2: users that are members of 'admin' can do that
[03:38] <GWild_Gen2> LjL: thank you,
[03:38] <Admiral_Chicago> ...paste the whole thing please
[03:38] <the_hammer> ill try log in/out and see if it changes
[03:38] <Adlai> forgive me if I don't scroll up
[03:38] <Phelanor> Blues: Thanks for the tip, but I would have to use the alternate cd?
[03:38] <Admiral_Chicago> !paste | malik__
[03:38] <ubotu> malik__: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:38] <fnord__> whats getty??
[03:38] <fnord__> !getty
[03:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about getty - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:38] <Adlai> Phelanor, I know on my install it just took a really long time to boot up
[03:39] <Adlai> I'm only very recently a kubuntu user, I'm used to gentoo
[03:39] <joshy> RD: thx
[03:39] <Phelanor> Did you get that mess of green and blue on the bottom of the bar?
[03:39] <Adlai> I think there should be a safe mode or something, or you can possibly specify the driver on boot
[03:39] <Adlai> yes I did
[03:39] <RD> did it help joshy? sorry im not being too useful today :)
[03:39] <Adlai> if you set it to "vesa" you should be able to get kubuntu on your system at least
[03:39] <BluesKaj> gentoo eh,...difficult install
[03:40] <BluesKaj> ?
[03:40] <jontec> is there another partitioner that I can use other than qtparted
[03:40] <Adlai> and then deal with the drivers later
[03:40] <Phelanor> Safe mode isnt happening
[03:40] <Phelanor> as in same problem
[03:40] <matthew_> jontec, gparted
[03:40] <RD> nah its by the numbers BluesKaj the problem is keeping it running without breakage
[03:40] <matthew_> jontec, you can also download it as a liveCD
[03:40] <Adlai> BluesKaj, it takes significant research, but is definitely worth it in terms of understanding your system
[03:40] <BluesKaj> jontec,, GParted Live CD partitioner
[03:40] <Adlai> it was the first install I ever did and the install itself taught me a great deal about linux in general
[03:40] <Adlai> but I should probably stop advertising gentoo in #kubuntu
[03:41] <darko> can anyone help me instal kdetv?
[03:41] <darko> install
[03:41] <BluesKaj> Adlai, so why the switch ?
[03:41] <matthew_> jontec, http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=115843&package_id=173828
[03:41] <jontec> matthew_: I can't download it :D I am on dial-up and qtparted is being an idiot... it's not letting me write to a partition after I make one AND commit changes
[03:41] <Adlai> I'm just testing it out on my laptop, to see what it's like
[03:41] <jontec> matthew_: I've even tried restarting my computer
[03:41] <matthew_> jontec, oooh, dial up...I had that for about 10 years...made me suicidal...
[03:41] <halter73> darko, your trying to install kdetv?
[03:41] <Adlai> also to try out kde; I've done e17 and am currently running gnome
[03:41] <matthew_> jontec, don't know what to try now...
[03:41] <darko> yes
[03:41] <halter73> what is your problem
[03:41] <_kuja_> adlai, just how long did it take to set gentoo up?  I've heard estimates all over the wall.
[03:41] <matthew_> jontec, where do you live?
[03:42] <darko> but  i cannot find it in adept
[03:42] <Adlai> depends what you're setting up for
[03:42] <halter73> just a sec
[03:42] <matthew_> jontec, if you live in the US...I might send it to you...
[03:42] <jontec> matthew_: Virginia, USA...
[03:42] <Adlai> these questions are probably better directed at #gentoo though
[03:42] <darko> i had it last time
[03:42] <matthew_> jontec, want a copy?
[03:42] <_kuja_> full blown desktop
[03:42] <jontec> matthew_: I have to get this laptop up tonight. :D
[03:42] <Adlai> if you want to ask me specifically, pm me
[03:42] <jontec> lol.
[03:42] <matthew_> jontec, oh
[03:42] <matthew_> jontec, that sucks...
[03:42] <halter73> what is wrong with tvtime
[03:42] <_kuja_> anotehr person living in t3h Virginia? Amazing.
[03:42] <fnord__> anyone know what getty is i have 6 proces named getty running right now and my system wont let me kill them
[03:43] <darko> i cannot instal kdetv i cannot see it in adept manager
[03:43] <LjL> fnord__: they're the processes for your virtual terminals (the consoles)
[03:43] <darko> maybe i have to add some repositories
[03:43] <darko> ?
[03:43] <halter73> have you tried tv time
[03:43] <darko> no
[03:43] <jontec> matthew_: I'm installing gparted... right now
[03:43] <halter73> I use it and like it
[03:43] <LjL> fnord__: if you press ctrl+alt+f1, you'll see a console login. that's getty. if you do alt+f2, you see another, etc... if you finally do alt+f7, you're back to your X server
[03:43] <darko> but kdetv is working
[03:44] <halter73> I've tried both and tvtime has all the features i need without bloat
[03:44] <matthew_> jontec, oh...how're you doing that?
[03:44] <jontec> matthew_:I'm surprised it's letting me install anything on livecd?
[03:44] <darko> how can i install it
[03:44] <halter73> wait i thought you were having problems
[03:44] <fnord__>  cool
[03:44] <darko> but like i missed some repositorie
[03:44] <darko> ?
[03:44] <robomoore> ubotu: nvidia > me
[03:44] <darko> maybe
[03:44] <darko> i am new to linux
[03:44] <matthew_> jontec, no, I mean, you can download it as  a standalone...just didn't know how you got it.
[03:45] <darko> so everythimg is a problem for now :D
[03:45] <LjL> fnord__: and you can kill them (if you're root), they just get respawned automatically
[03:45] <jontec> matthew_: I just opened adept... lol.
[03:45] <matthew_> jontec, lol, nice
[03:45] <halter73> try tvtime while i find a repository from kdetv
[03:45] <jontec> matthew_: I am very surprised.
[03:45] <matthew_> jontec, ever tried synaptic?
[03:45] <darko> ok
[03:45] <halter73> it should be in adept and work right after install w/o much setup
[03:45] <matthew_> jontec, it's a package manager like adept, but you can't destroy your system. It's very helpful.
[03:46] <SilverDrake> hey... I really need some help, if anyone wants to...
[03:46] <hombero> hey
[03:46] <Reilithion> Xtreme screen problems.
[03:46] <darko> i have no tv in adept
[03:46] <Adlai> SilverDrake, just ask, if someone knows, they'll answer
[03:46] <darko> no kdetv
[03:46] <fnord__> whats a good p2p app that dosent take up so much memory fryou're ostwire
[03:46] <darko> no tvtime :(
[03:46] <fnord__> amule dosent work for me
[03:46] <matthew_> !anyone | SilverDrake
[03:46] <ubotu> SilverDrake: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[03:46] <jontec> jontec: I did... when I was using xubuntu (xubuntu never configured correctly in vmware).... but I've always used adept on here... I like it very much. :D either that or apt-get istelf
[03:46] <darko> i't seems i need a repositorie i had
[03:46] <halter73> hmm i'll tell u the repository i got it from
[03:46] <Phelanor> Is there a Kubuntu alternate text install CD?
[03:46] <Reilithion> I think SilverDrake is having some kind of refresh rate problem
[03:46] <jontec> lol.. I messaged myself
[03:47] <halter73> have you uncommented all your repositories already on the list?
[03:47] <darko> yes
[03:47] <jontec> this is being quite speedy considering it's 5MB
[03:47] <darko> even inserted some extra
[03:47] <matthew_> jontec, I either use synaptic if I don't know the name of the program, or apt-get install if I do...lol
[03:47] <Adlai> ubotu, people, in general, tend to have a problem asserting themselves, especially in a new place
[03:47] <SilverDrake> okay... I did a restart, and when I got back to the computer, I noticed the screen was only taking up about 90% of my monitor and had vertical lines (scrapes?) on it
[03:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about people, in general, tend to have a problem asserting themselves, especially in a new place - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:47] <Adlai> I guess
[03:47] <Adlai> and I apparently don't know the bot's name
[03:47] <Adlai> d'oh
[03:48] <halter73> hmm because kdetv is showing up under my adept and I am not using many extra repos
[03:48] <matthew_> Adlai, ubotu is a bot
[03:48] <jontec> matthew_: oh, lol. have you ever used adept?
[03:48] <Adlai> I can see that now...
[03:48] <darko> i know
[03:48] <darko> i had it last time
[03:48] <jontec> women!
[03:48] <jontec> wait... no
[03:48] <halter73> are u using edgy
[03:48] <jontec> !women
[03:48] <ubotu> The women and men of the Ubuntu women project hang out in #ubuntu-women. Encouraging women to use linux? Read http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/ for some suggestions compiled by women who use Linux on how to do so effectively.
[03:48] <SilverDrake> when I went to settings and tried to see if something changed and if I could fix it, but when I did some tweaking and refreshing, I ended up with a display of about 300x400 pixels
[03:48] <matthew_> jontec, yeah...I ended up removing all essential packages. What a downer!
[03:48] <matthew_> jontec, complete reinstall
[03:48] <darko> yes
[03:48] <darko> edgy
[03:48] <jontec> nope... !females
[03:49] <jontec> !females
[03:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about females - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:49] <halter73> and have u updated your package list
[03:49] <halter73> updated header
[03:49] <darko> yes
[03:49] <jontec> ^^^ there it is. :D
[03:49] <darko> couple of times
[03:49] <hombero> can somone tell me how to get automake 1.6?
[03:49] <darko> wait a sec
[03:49] <SilverDrake> I turned the computer off and unplugged the monitor for a while, but the "scrapes" are still there
[03:49] <halter73> hmm i'll send you my repo list if you want
[03:49] <RD> hombero you can install automaken and get all versions you need at once
[03:49] <SilverDrake> did I destroy my monitor?
[03:49] <RD> !automaken
[03:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about automaken - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:49] <darko> ill tell ya wait a sec
[03:50] <jontec> matthew_: wow... how'd you manage to do that?
[03:50] <darko> it's updating now something
[03:50] <halter73> ok
[03:50] <hombero> im very new to linux
[03:50] <SilverDrake> that, and my window settings are all going screwy...
[03:50] <hombero> so i dont know exactrly what you mean
[03:50] <darko> thanks sanyway haltr
[03:50] <darko> halter
[03:50] <darko> :D
[03:50] <jontec> the total installation for gparted is 32MB... I wonder where the live CD's gonna put it?
[03:50] <halter73> all you should do any way is run fetch updates from adept
[03:50] <halter73> or apt-get --update
[03:51] <Reilithion> How to reconfigure X and fix refresh rates?
[03:51] <halter73> i'll send you my package list if u want
[03:51] <RD> hombero if you want to build software the common dev tools you want are listed here: http://revis.co.uk/site/?q=node/64
[03:51] <matthew_> jontec,  I noticed that I needed this lib, so I tried to install it...it needed some other lib, so I tried to install that...I figured I was screwed when I saw "Removing kubuntu-desktop" and "Removing Konqueror"
[03:51] <darko> maybe one repository was unsaved
[03:51] <matthew_> lol
[03:51] <darko> from default's one
[03:51] <halter73> ok just a sec i'll send it
[03:51] <RD> you can install them with adept (start/system/adept)
[03:51] <matthew_> jontec, liveCD's load active programs into RAM
[03:51] <hombero> okay thank you RD
[03:51] <RD> np :)
[03:51] <darko> it's probably it
[03:52] <darko> biceause updating is massive :D
[03:52] <jontec> matthew_: wow. and hehe about that last thing.... I've got 1GB of ram... somethin' ain't gonna work. :D
[03:52] <malik__> can any one help with detecting the kernel?...............i installed updates which came out today n i want to know if the new kernel got installed correctly because there is only one entry on the boot screen...................any help will be greatly appreciated
[03:52] <jontec> I've gotta go practice my clarinet... I'll be back soon
[03:52] <RD> malik__ try uname -a
[03:53] <fnord__> whatsa god alternative to frostwire or amule?
[03:53] <Reilithion> Is it still dpkg-reconfigure xorg?
[03:53] <SilverDrake> did anyone hear me?  if so, I didn't notice a reply... ~.~
[03:53] <halter73> darko did you recieve a request to download a file
[03:53] <darko> no
[03:53] <darko> or i didnt see it
[03:53] <darko> tell me where to look :D
[03:53] <RD> SilverDrake its very hard to kill hardware with linux :) does the problem stay when you restart into windows?
[03:54] <Erich-K> Where is the system log stored?
[03:54] <hombero> when i try to do apt-get --update it says --update isnt understood
[03:54] <halter73> actually just go to halter73.no-ip.org/sources.list
[03:54] <malik__> RD: i tried that n it showed only one line for the kernel entry
[03:54] <SilverDrake> windows?
[03:54] <halter73> u should be able to see it
[03:54] <SilverDrake> I don't have windows... that OS sucks
[03:54] <darko> than i didnt saw it :D
[03:54] <RD> malik__ it tells you what version you are currently running
[03:54] <halter73> the top stuff is extra
[03:54] <Reilithion> RD: SilverDrake hasn't had winblows on her machine in ages.
[03:54] <halter73> ya i think the send file thing failed
[03:54] <RD> oh, sorry :) assumption makes me look like an idiot ;)
[03:54] <RD> more like :P
[03:54] <SilverDrake> if ever...
[03:55] <darko> never mind halter thanks for help
[03:55] <hombero> apt-get --update is not working
[03:55] <darko> it's downloading
[03:55] <darko> i think it is probably it
[03:55] <darko> but thank you anyway very much
[03:55] <halter73> the stuff at the top is extra
[03:55] <halter73> kk
[03:55] <Reilithion> RD: do you know how to reconfigure X?  I think SilverDrake's problem is an incorrect refresh rate.
[03:56] <halter73> would a .deb file work for you
[03:56] <halter73> ??
[03:56] <malik__> RD: Linux malik-desktop 2.6.17-10-generic #2 SMP Tue Dec 5 22:28:26 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux......................is this the latest for edgy?
[03:56] <matthew_> hombrero, try apt-get update
[03:56] <RD> can you get to a command line SilverDrake? you can edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf directly to fix it
[03:56] <SilverDrake> I think I might've fixed it on my own...
[03:56] <RD> im afriad i dont know malik__ i have a different type of machine to you :( (ppc)
[03:56] <Reilithion> What happen, SilverDrake?
[03:57] <RD> great :)
[03:57] <compilerwriter> Hello all.
[03:57] <compilerwriter> back from my reinstall.
[03:57] <hombero> hey
[03:57] <hombero> that worked thanks matthew
[03:57] <hombero> problem is i see this when i try to update
[03:57] <hombero>  GPG error: http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org dapper Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 3FF0DB166A7476EA
[03:57] <SilverDrake> I had display settings up
[03:57] <SilverDrake> I tried turning it to the resolution I had before
[03:58] <matthew_> hombero, I had that trouble...but I ended up just commenting out the offending lines in my sources.lst
[03:58] <compilerwriter> I had this nifty little thing set up so that whenever I clicked my left mouse button on the desktop the kmenu came up.  I can't remember how I did that however. Anyone know?
[03:58] <hombero> hmm ok ty
[03:58] <hombero> err how do i get to the source list?
[03:58] <halter73> "etc/apt/sources.list"
[03:58] <hombero> thank you
[03:59] <halter73> you can also edit it through adept
[03:59] <matthew_> hombero, sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.lst
[04:00] <halter73> make sure you use .list not lst
[04:00] <hombero> thanks guys,.. just turned my back on windows so everything is confusing
[04:00] <halter73> Linux isn't that difficult once you get used to it
[04:01] <halter73> of course there will always be challenges
[04:01] <hombero> =] 
[04:01] <Admiral_Chicago> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list from run command
[04:01] <BluesKaj> well, don't leave it altogether til yer sure , halter73
[04:01] <hombero> im doing a "full upgrade"
[04:01] <halter73> ???
[04:02] <BluesKaj> <-- been slowly migrating to linux over the last 5 mos
[04:02] <matthew_> halter73, thanks, my bad
[04:02] <halter73> kk
[04:02] <halter73> typing error thats all
[04:02] <matthew_> took me about a year to make the switch to linux...my dial up was holding me back...
[04:02] <matthew_> halter73, nah, I thought it was .lst, not .list
[04:02] <matthew_> bleagh, need some sleep
[04:02] <halter73> i know, i tried using linux on a comp w/o internet
[04:03] <halter73> it is about impossible with the need to install libraries and such
[04:03] <matthew_> halter73, seriously!
[04:04] <halter73> yes i copied all the source files for the software and libraries i needed to a cd and ran ./configure && make && make install
[04:04] <halter73> it was frustrating to say the least
[04:04] <halter73> b/c most of the time there was a library i didn't know i needed and such
[04:04] <RD> computers with no internet are like parties with no girls ;o
[04:05] <hombero> so true
[04:05] <halter73> so what are you trying to do hombero
[04:05] <halter73> ???
[04:06] <_kuja_> Would that make a computer with dialup like a party with a bunch of girls that nobody wants to be associated with?
[04:06] <hombero> trying to get kdevelop to work, just trying to make a simple hello world program in C and then going to do some allegro stuff
[04:06] <RD> if all you want is hello world vim is pretty capable ;) bit less memory hungry than kdevelop too
[04:06] <halter73> i use kdevelope a little
[04:07] <halter73> i am a bit of a novice when it comes to that myself, but maybe i can help
[04:07] <halter73> at least it is working for me
[04:07] <matthew_> is there a command that I can use to find out what Graphics card I have? Kcontrol won't load admin, and I can't get into my PC right now.
[04:08] <matthew_> I tried lsagp, but no luck
[04:08] <halter73> any specific problem
[04:08] <intelikey> matthew_ lshw
[04:08] <GWild_Kubu> just did my first install of kubuntu - it's seems very nice
[04:08] <RadiantFire> lspci should show it
[04:08] <intelikey> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36936/plain/
[04:08] <halter73> use kinfocenter under the system menu, matthew
[04:09] <hombero> yeah im hoping this "full upgrade" will get the libs and what not i need
[04:09] <matthew_> intelikey, thanks, it worked.
[04:10] <intelikey> welcome
[04:10] <halter73> do u have kdevelop running, hombero
[04:10] <halter73> ???
[04:10] <hombero> yes
[04:10] <hombero> but it cant compile
[04:10] <Erich-K> Should I update to the 2.6.15-27-386 kernel?
[04:10] <halter73> if you do and you can't compile it is probably because you are missing the standard libraries
[04:10] <malik__> !pastebin
[04:10] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:11] <halter73> are u using c or c++
[04:11] <compilerwriter> I somehow got things set up so the the kmenu showed up when I left clicked the desktop.  Can anyone tell me how I did it so I can repeat the procedure?
[04:11] <Alter-Ego> adept won't start, complains about another instance running which there does not appear to be.  i assume it has a locked file
[04:11] <Alter-Ego> i know there is a way to fix this, but i forgot
[04:11] <hombero> well the book I have about the allegro graphics library uses C, but from my understanding I can program using c++ and use the library even though it was written in C
[04:11] <intelikey> boot time help ???     http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36936/plain/
[04:12] <halter73> ya, u should be able to
[04:12] <Jucato> !adept crash fix | Alter-Ego
[04:12] <ubotu> Alter-Ego: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[04:12] <_kuja_> hombero: you have install build-essential, right?
[04:12] <halter73> now are you able to do a simple hello world program using cout
[04:12] <hombero> im really not too sure k, im a real newbie to kubuntu or linux in general
[04:12] <hombero> yes
[04:12] <jonathan_> dont feel bad hombero i am too
[04:12] <Jucato> compilerwriter: right-click on the desktop -> Configure Desktop -> Behavior options -> Left button, set it to No action
[04:12] <halter73> ok so you have the standard libs
[04:13] <hombero> wait wait
[04:13] <halter73> do you have the allegro-dev files
[04:13] <hombero> no, i cant compile a simple program
[04:13] <hombero> not yet
[04:13] <halter73> ok then you need the standard libs
[04:13] <malik__> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36937/.......................can any one plz look at this n tell me how to enable plf repo?...................it says that its enabled in adept but with apt-get i get this error
[04:13] <Jucato> hombero: have you installed "build-essential"?
[04:14] <hombero> no i dont think so
[04:14] <Jucato> malik__: the PLF repositories might be down
[04:14] <Jucato> hombero: you need to install that
[04:14] <halter73> yes u NEED to install that to compile a simple program
[04:14] <compilerwriter> Thank you jucato
[04:15] <halter73> thanks Jucato, i forgot the package name, i did it a while ago
[04:15] <Jucato> actually, you need to install that to be able to compile anything at all
[04:15] <Jucato> :)
[04:15] <malik__> JUcato: i installed todays kernel udate but there is still only one entry on the bootscreen...........is it an error or it didnt install properly?
[04:15] <hombero> okay guys how do i install build-essential >< with adept?
[04:16] <Jucato> malik__: no, it's not an error. it seems it really upgraded the kernel and didn't install a new one.
[04:16] <Jucato> malik__: I hope you are not using the NVIDIA beta drivers, though
[04:16] <Jucato> hombero: search for "build-essential" in Adept
[04:16] <Erich-K> Should I update to the 2.6.15-27-386 kernel?
[04:16] <php-freak> !winamp
[04:16] <ubotu> winamp is a windows music player. On Ubuntu you can use beep-media-player or xmms as alternative.
[04:16] <halter73> ya, i forgot that did not only install libc but gcc and g++
[04:17] <compilerwriter> Cool I have my Applications back on my index finger where I liked them.
[04:17] <halter73> are you able to find it hombero
[04:17] <malik__> Jucato: no im not usin any nvidia drivers..............just the ones which came with kubuntu....................i dont play games...........i just use it for watching dvds n mp3 n surfing the net
[04:17] <aseigo> ugh. beep or xmms? bleh
[04:17] <hombero> yes and it says installed
[04:17] <BluesKaj> KMplayer
[04:17] <compilerwriter> I now have sound back too.
[04:17] <Jucato> malik__: ok. then you're safe :)
[04:17] <aseigo> amarok, juk ... both are so much better imho
[04:17] <Jucato> moin aseigo! :)
[04:17] <halter73> already?
[04:17] <compilerwriter> This reinstall has been an unqualified succes.
[04:17] <aseigo> Jucato: moin
[04:17] <halter73> or did u just install it
[04:18] <BluesKaj> yup amarok is VG
[04:18] <compilerwriter> now if only I could spell.
[04:18] <hombero> kdevelop is complaining about not having automake 1.6
[04:18] <hombero> no it already was installed
[04:18] <halter73> do you have automake
[04:18] <Jucato> hombero: is automake (ew....?) already installed?
[04:18] <halter73> search adept for atomake1.6 it will tell you
[04:18] <hombero> yeah i have 1.2
[04:18] <Jucato> you also need autoconf, afaik
[04:18] <php-freak> !beep-media-player
[04:18] <php-freak> !xmms
[04:18] <ubotu> beep-media-player: Versatile audio player that supports Winamp skins. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.7.1+cvs20050803-1.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 856 kB, installed size 3612 kB
[04:18] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[04:19] <Jucato> hombero: install 1.9
[04:19] <hombero> and i tried on adept to search automake1.6 but its no there
[04:19] <Jucato> er.. unless you are on Dapper
[04:19] <hombero> i have 1.9 installed too
[04:19] <halter73> i mean 1.9
[04:19] <Jucato> hombero: you have 2 versions installed?
[04:19] <halter73> mine works with 1.9
[04:19] <hombero> yes
[04:19] <hombero> 1.4 and 1.9
[04:19] <halter73> y do you need 1.4?
[04:19] <hombero> i dont know
[04:19] <Jucato> hombero: remove the older one (1.4)
[04:20] <hombero> ok let me try that
[04:20] <Jucato> then also install autoconf (you'll need it)
[04:20] <aseigo> yeah, best to only have one version of automake around unless you really, really need both
[04:20] <Jucato> anyway, those 2 are used to compile KDE apps.. for simple C++ programs, you don't need them
[04:20] <compilerwriter> Is there a BOINC for kde or do I have to use the debian version?
[04:20] <compilerwriter> !boinc
[04:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about boinc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:21] <hombero> awesome.. its working now, thanks!
[04:21] <hombero> its spewing out a lot of output and stuff and making it a long compile is that a one time thing or just how kdevelop works?
[04:21] <intelikey> anyone ?   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36936/plain/
[04:22] <Jucato> hombero: that's how compiling in Linux works, afaik
[04:22] <hombero> what is afaik?
[04:22] <halter73> cool gg hombero
[04:22] <halter73> gg Jucato
[04:22] <halter73> compilerwriter: http://einstein.astro.gla.ac.uk/download/boinc/dl/boinc_5.4.11_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh
[04:23] <halter73> save that to your desktop or whatever and run sudo ./boinc_5.4.11_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh
[04:23] <Jucato> intelikey: PLF repos must be down
[04:23] <hombero> me, halter?
[04:23] <halter73> computerwriter
[04:23] <halter73> if you have any other problems just tell me
[04:24] <Jucato> !boinc-client | compilerwriter
[04:24] <ubotu> boinc-client: core client for the BOINC distributed computing infrastructure. In component universe, is optional. Version 5.4.11-1 (edgy), package size 298 kB, installed size 804 kB
[04:24] <halter73> compilerwriter
[04:24] <halter73> where did you find this ubotu
[04:24] <Jucato> compilerwriter: most of the boinc related packages start with "boinc-". "try apt-cache search boinc"
[04:24] <Jucato> halter73: I found it P
[04:24] <intelikey> Jucato and that applies to me how ?
[04:24] <ubuntu> Hello
[04:25] <Jucato> intelikey: er sorry... wrong person :(
[04:25] <ubuntu> Hi, could someone answer me a question about the monitor display?
[04:25] <intelikey> Jucato :)
[04:25] <halter73> is compilerwriter still here
[04:26] <malik__> what happens to all the text generated at  pastebin?.........does it stay on the net   or ubuntu takes it down after a while?
[04:26] <halter73> sure ubuntu what is you monitor problem
[04:26] <pablo7> ubuntu: just ask.
[04:26] <intelikey> ubuntu what about it ?
[04:26] <ubuntu> Thanks
[04:26] <Jucato> malik__: I think it's removed after a long time
[04:26] <aseigo> malik__: they eventually take it down. on the submission form there is a place to note how long you want to keep it up
[04:27] <hombero> okay.. time to try compiling an allegro program
[04:27] <ubuntu> It's not letting me go past 1024 by 768, and I know I can go higher to 1280 by 1024 on other linus systems.
[04:27] <halter73> kk keep us posted hombero
[04:27] <halter73> so your monitor supports it?
[04:27] <ubuntu> linux systems. sorry
[04:27] <ubuntu> Yes
[04:28] <pablo7> ubuntu: locate xorg.conf
[04:28] <halter73> go to system settings -> Monitor & Display
[04:28] <ubuntu> Ok
[04:28] <halter73> pablo7 lets try the gui way first
[04:28] <ubuntu> I'm there
[04:28] <halter73> go to hardware
[04:28] <halter73> the tab
[04:28] <ubuntu> ok
[04:29] <ubuntu> I'm a hardware
[04:29] <halter73> the click administrator mode and put in you admin password
[04:29] <ubuntu> I don't have an ID, I'm running a live cd to test this
[04:30] <halter73> ok then just go strait to configure by monitor #1
[04:30] <halter73> it might be able to detect you monitor, but if your like me you might have to select your monitory from a list
[04:31] <ubuntu> How do I activate it? It doesn't do anything when I click
[04:31] <halter73> click administrator mode
[04:31] <intelikey> ubuntu sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg   answer all the questions carefully and acurately    use  http://monitorworld.com or other sources as needed.    restart the xserver when finished.   [alt] +[ctrl] +[backspace]   will restart the xserver without a reboot.
[04:32] <ubuntu> I clicked it
[04:32] <halter73> ubunut is using a live cd i'm just telling him how to do it using system settings
[04:32] <halter73> do u have a red ring around the setting stuff
[04:32] <halter73> ubuntu???
[04:33] <halter73> are u able to click configure now and have it open a new window?
[04:33] <ubuntu> I don't see anything to increase the display
[04:33] <hombero> okay
[04:33] <halter73> wait patiently
[04:34] <halter73> do you have the correct monitor selected for monitor #1
[04:34] <hombero> i copied the project files off my book's CD onto the desktop.. which file do i want to open in kdevelop to open up the project? or is it different than windows in this way
[04:34] <ubuntu> monitor custom 1
[04:35] <halter73> hombero: you should be able to import project under the project menu and choose the entire folder
[04:35] <halter73> ubuntu: click configure and choose you monitor make and model from list
[04:36] <ubuntu> I'm not having much luck so far. Sorry to be such a pain.
[04:36] <halter73> OR run autodetect monitor
[04:36] <halter73> no prob
[04:36] <hombero> jeeez error city lol
[04:37] <halter73> so am I correct in saying you cannot change your monitor model by clicking configure?
[04:37] <halter73> ???
[04:37] <hombero> main.c:9: error: previous declaration of _mangled_main was here
[04:37] <hombero> is the first error
[04:38] <halter73> did you import it well hombero?
[04:38] <halter73> w/o error
[04:38] <hombero> yeah
[04:38] <ubuntu> I have a Viewsonic VP920B
[04:38] <ubuntu> I don't see it on the list
[04:38] <halter73> it might be better to get Jucato to help you
[04:39] <halter73> he seems to have more knowledge
[04:39] <hombero> the books outlined into chapters, each chapter has a few different projects in it, and then for example im trying to compile one of the projects, in the project folder there are another two folders, admin, and another called circlefill
[04:39] <Jucato> ^^^^^^^
[04:39] <hombero> aka circlefill/admin and circlefill/circlefill
[04:39] <hombero> circlefill is the name of the project
[04:39] <halter73> ok just use autodetect then
[04:39] <halter73> ubuntu
[04:40] <ubuntu> It's not working. The main problem is it's not filling my screen. There is more than an inch of black around the edges of my viewing screen
[04:40] <ubuntu> Yes
[04:40] <halter73> under the Size, Orientation, and Positioning you are unable to go over 1024 x 768
[04:40] <hombero> try changing the settings on your screen itself maybe
[04:40] <halter73> am i tight
[04:40] <ubuntu> Yes
[04:40] <halter73> still
[04:41] <ubuntu> I tried PCLinux and it let me bump it up to 1280 by 1024, and it filled the screen. But I wanted to go with this because it's more popular.
[04:41] <halter73> choose a generic monitor from the top then that allows 1280 by 1024
[04:42] <halter73> hit apply
[04:42] <halter73> then try to change the resolution
[04:42] <RadiantFire> ubuntu: you can also try using sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in the terminal, and selecting the appropriate resolutions you want available
[04:42] <RadiantFire> sometimes that works for resolutions I can't get guidance to give me on my laptop
[04:43] <dennister> good evening all
[04:43] <neomatik> hi all !
[04:43] <halter73> the only reason (k)ubuntu will not let u set it higher is b/c it does not want to set your monitor out of range
[04:43] <halter73> were you able to switch to a generic monitor
[04:43] <neomatik> is any good video editor for ubuntu
[04:43] <hombero> c
[04:43] <halter73> ubuntu?
[04:43] <hombero> cd '/home/andrew/Desktop/kdevelop/chapter03/circlefill' && make -k
[04:43] <hombero> make all-recursive
[04:43] <hombero> Making all in circlefill
[04:43] <hombero> compiling main.c (gcc)
[04:43] <hombero> main.c:10: error: conflicting types for _mangled_main
[04:44] <hombero> main.c:9: error: previous declaration of _mangled_main was here
[04:44] <ubuntu> it say restart somekind of x server
[04:44] <hombero> main.c: In function _mangled_main:
[04:44] <hombero> main.c:24: warning: return with no value, in function returning non-void
[04:44] <Jucato> !pastebin | hombero
[04:44] <ubotu> hombero: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:44] <hombero> main.c:28: warning: textprintf is deprecated (declared at /usr/include/allegro/alcompat.h:189)
[04:44] <ubuntu> what's that?
[04:44] <dennister> neomatik: do u mean film editor, or video editor? some ppl get them confused
[04:44] <halter73> click ok
[04:44] <hombero> make[2] : *** [main.o]  Error 1
[04:44] <pablo7> neomatik: you can try kino.
[04:44] <hombero> make[2] : Target `all' not remade because of errors.
[04:44] <hombero> make[1] : *** [all-recursive]  Error 1
[04:44] <hombero> make: *** [all-recursive-am]  Error 2
[04:44] <hombero> make: Target `all' not remade because of errors.
[04:44] <hombero> *** Exited with status: 2 ***
[04:44] <Jucato> hombero: stop
[04:44] <hombero> oh sorry didnt know
[04:44] <dennister> hey jucato :)
[04:44] <Jucato> hi dennister
[04:44] <hombero> didnt mean to cause anyone trouble or annoyance sorry guys
[04:45] <neomatik> kino. I think I have hear of it
[04:45] <neomatik> can I connect video camera to capture video to Kino ?
[04:45] <pablo7> neomatik: yes.
[04:45] <halter73> ubuntu are you still there or did you restart your xserver already
[04:45] <ubuntu> what should I do next
[04:45] <dennister> i'm having trouble installing a scanner that I've easily and successfully installed many times
[04:45] <halter73> next change your resolution
[04:45] <neomatik> pablo7: thanks ! I will try now.
[04:45] <hombero> halter, this is the output im getting from kdev when trying to compile
[04:45] <hombero> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36938/
[04:46] <dennister> can't understand why this time it's problematic
[04:46] <halter73> once you picked the generic monitor
[04:46] <ubuntu> I did
[04:46] <pablo7> neomatik: it might take a while to download the kde-libs if you're on a slow connection.
[04:46] <ubuntu> I've set it for 1280 ny 1024, but I have to restart some x server
[04:46] <dennister> when i want to unmount it, terminal tells me it's multiply mounted (???)
[04:47] <neomatik> pablo7: how big the package ?
[04:47] <halter73> [alt] +[ctrl] +[backspace]  to restart the x server
[04:47] <dennister> how do i found out how it's multiply mounted so i can unmount all of them?
[04:47] <halter73> you need to restart the x server to change resolution
[04:47] <_kuja_> ack ... 340mb+ this'll take a couple of days ...
[04:47] <halter73> once your done
[04:47] <hombero> is there an easier to set up and get working compiler than kdev?
[04:47] <halter73>  tell us how it worked out ubuntu
[04:47] <hombero> er IDE i should say
[04:47] <halter73> hombero, im not ignoring you
[04:48] <intelikey> dennister cat /proc/mounts
[04:48] <pablo7> neomatik: not sure because i run kubuntu (w/ kde), but just to upgrade kino was something like 9 MB.
[04:48] <halter73> i looke at the log a little already
[04:48] <jontec> !libxine-extracodecs
[04:48] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.2-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1118 kB, installed size 2676 kB
[04:48] <hombero> =] 
[04:48] <_kuja_> hombero, just use g++ in a terminal?
[04:48] <matthew> man, I tried to install a 3d driver for my ati rage 128...but I ended up totally screwing up my xorg.conf...good thing I backed it up!
[04:48] <halter73> however i already told you to i'm a bit of a noob at this myself, i have the basics down
[04:48] <hombero> nah i meant a development environment not the actual compiler sorry for the confusion kuja
[04:49] <halter73> I have never herd of the allegro graphics library
[04:49] <compilerwriter> I am still around halter73 just busy with about a dozen things at once.
[04:49] <myrdos> I use it on a regular basis
[04:49] <ubuntu> Did you get that  Halter73
[04:49] <halter73> so am i
[04:49] <myrdos> Good for games, crappy for GUIs
[04:49] <ubuntu> It worked! Thanks!
[04:49] <halter73> no type that again
[04:50] <dennister> pablo7: ty...it seems there's a funny line at the bottom i've never seen before:binfmt_misc /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc binfmt_misc rw 0 0
[04:50] <halter73> cool thanks for reporting back ti si good to know i could help
[04:50] <ubuntu> You certainly did. Thanks so much.
[04:50] <neomatik> pablo7: 9mb is not alot I have cable connection here, it should take just a few minutes, if the other server is fast. Thank you for info really helps.
[04:50] <halter73> hopefully you will stick with (k)ubuntu and more importantly linux
[04:50] <pablo7> neomatik: no problem.
[04:50] <dennister> pablo: can I just delete it?
[04:50] <halter73> i think you would like it
[04:51] <dennister> I have the proper line for it up top
[04:51] <pablo7> dennister: what are you talking about?
[04:51] <halter73> i switche to kubuntu just a few months back because the great support the community offers so i figured i should give back
[04:52] <intelikey>    http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36936/plain/  ?
[04:52] <dennister> the multiple mounts...i think the line in fstab that i cat from the cat command (i quoted it ^^) is the culprit
[04:52] <halter73> hombero: the compile would probably work if you got the allegro dev files
[04:52] <myrdos> get the package, not the source
[04:52] <halter73> it will certaintly not work w/o it
[04:52] <dennister> i just want the line that I entered into fstab myself, manually, for the scanner
[04:52] <myrdos> allegro source won't work well in kubuntu because of missing dependencies
[04:52] <matthew> anyone know where I can get a 3d driver for my ati rage 128 PF/PRO AGP 4x TMDS?
[04:53] <jontec> where is the repository file? I need to add one and I can't remember... T_T
[04:53] <halter73> compilerwriter, are you the one who wanted to install bonic?
[04:53] <hombero> i have the allegro dev files
[04:54] <myrdos> http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/libdevel/liballegro4.2-dev
[04:54] <myrdos> That one?
[04:54] <pablo7> dennister: okay, i just use xsane to select the scanner for me, i don't really edit /etc/fstab these days.
[04:54] <DaSkreech> hombero: Did you get b-e ?
[04:55] <halter73> mathew: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Edgy_Installation_Guide
[04:55] <dennister> o wait...the cat command results are quite different from fstab...there are lots of mounts for the scanner
[04:55] <halter73> that should help, write back with questions
[04:55] <hombero> yes 4.2 myrdos, what is b-e?
[04:55] <myrdos> dunno
[04:55] <halter73> mydros do u use allegro?
[04:56] <myrdos> yes, for years now
[04:56] <halter73> ok thank you, I think you could help hombero much better than i can
[04:56] <myrdos> the package is the key, it gives you all of allegro's dependencies
[04:56] <halter73> mathew u there
[04:57] <myrdos> well, what's the problem? (I joined after you described it I think)
[04:57] <dennister> ok, it looks like i will delete the one i put in manually, and see if it works without it...i'm used to using xsane myself
[04:57] <matthew> halter, yeah, but I'm not getting alerted, cause you need to include 2 t's in matthew...or start typing my name and hit tab for auto-complete
[04:57] <matthew> just saw the link
[04:57] <matthew> halter73, yeah, but I'm not getting alerted, cause you need to include 2 t's in matthew...or start typing my name and hit tab for auto-complete
[04:58] <halter73> matthew: is that link helpful
[04:58] <matthew> halter73, looks like it...I"m still reading
[04:58] <halter73> kk
[04:59] <matthew> halter73, I didn't mean to be rude...
[04:59] <myrdos> konversation crashed on me :(
[04:59] <hombero> this is the output i get when trying to compile my allegro program
[04:59] <hombero> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36938/
[05:00] <myrdos> END_OF_MAIN needs to be after your main function
[05:01] <hombero> this is the program code
[05:01] <halter73> no prob matthew you didn't come off as rude
[05:01] <hombero> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36942/
[05:01] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. Trying to find a Tv listing viewing program.. cant seem to track one down.
[05:01] <halter73> i'm new to IRC, glad for the advice and i am just trying to help people by pointing them in the right direction
[05:01] <Dr_willis> MythTV is using the zap2it web site.. but i cant seem to find an alternative front end to the listings
[05:02] <myrdos> I checked my code, I don't have the semi-colon after END_OF_MAIN()
[05:02] <myrdos> try that?
[05:02] <halter73> Dr_willis: i use tvtime for normal veiwing
[05:02] <dennister> hmmm...xsane says no scanners avaiilable
[05:02] <myrdos> I should mention, there's an allegro channel here
[05:02] <myrdos> #allegro
[05:02] <Dr_willis> !info tvtime
[05:02] <ubotu> tvtime: A high quality television application. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-2.2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 636 kB, installed size 1768 kB
[05:02] <halter73> and use mythtv for my tvguide + dvr viewing
[05:02] <Dr_willis> Not watching tv.. just getting the guide listing
[05:02] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:02] <hombero> i tried the allegro channel earlier and they were kind of mean lol
[05:02] <halter73> ok
[05:02] <hombero> tried removing the ; and no fix
[05:02] <Dr_willis> I got Mythtv on this other box.. but for sime reason the listing/guide its downloading is wrong.
[05:02] <myrdos> heh
[05:02] <Dr_willis> wanting to double check it.
[05:03] <halter73> Dr_willis: why not just check tv listings online?
[05:03] <intelikey> has anyone even looked at this?   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36936/plain/   i have asked four times in the last hour and not one word in reply.     i did get a "keep your cli help to your self" answer when i offered an answer tho...     ?
[05:03] <hombero> do i need to include things other than the #include stuff?
[05:03] <Dr_willis> halter73,  i want to check the ones i am getting from zap2it
[05:03] <mefisto__> In system settings, sharing, everything is dimmed out. I can't change any settings. How do I share files/folders?
[05:04] <myrdos> not as far as I know
[05:04] <myrdos> how are you compiling?
[05:04] <halter73> ok
[05:04] <Dr_willis> to double check the mythtv stuff.. i cant tell if its off by an hr, day , or heck several days.. not sure what the deal is.. but the listings it 'thinks' its are showing are not the right ones.
[05:04] <Dr_willis> !samba
[05:04] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[05:04] <dennister> i'm having real problems purging a dpkg package
[05:04] <hombero> hitting build -> build project
[05:04] <Dr_willis> mefisto__,  install the samba stuff.
[05:05] <myrdos> g++ myprogram.cpp `allegro-config --libs` -o netpaint
[05:05] <DaSkreech> intelikey: That's a CD?
[05:05] <myrdos> maybe try that?
[05:05] <intelikey> DaSkreech no
[05:05] <dennister> i try to purge, error message says certain files aren't there to purge, i reinstall it, the files it said were missing appear, and then try to purge again, the files are deleted, then terminal compalins it can't find them :(
[05:06] <intelikey> DaSkreech sda   hard drive.
[05:06] <mefisto__> Dr_willis: I think I've installed it, because I can see the samba share on another computer. But I can't share anything on THIS one
[05:06] <dennister> odd, it deletes like it's supposed to, and then complains about it's own work
[05:06] <DaSkreech> Well it's a wrong magic error
[05:06] <matthew> uh, halter73 , that link is only good for Radeon-class Cards...I've got a rage-class...only 32 Mb RAM...yeah.
[05:06] <halter73> intelikey: I did read you message howver i don't know the problem or solution
[05:06] <DaSkreech> intelikey: you have a cramfs on your hard drive?
[05:06] <Dr_willis> mefisto__,  your logic is wrong. :P kde has samba 'client' features built in - to  have samba shares.. you need the samba server.
[05:06] <halter73> intelikey: are you just trying to mount a hard drive
[05:07] <halter73> srry matthew, thought it might help
[05:07] <intelikey> halter73 thanks for looking.
[05:07] <intelikey> DaSkreech all initrd.img's are cramfs  no ?
[05:07] <mefisto__> Dr_willis: I'm actually trying to get zeroconf working. I don't need samba to do that, right?
[05:07] <DaSkreech> When are you getting this?
[05:07] <myrdos> does anyone know how to disable a laptop's touchpad?
[05:07] <intelikey> halter73 that comes up each boot.
[05:08] <matthew> halter73, no problem...except I got half-way through the instructions before I realized it...oh well, hope I can do this...
[05:08] <myrdos> while still enabling the 'normal' mouse?
[05:08] <intelikey> it slows the boot time and is an annoyance to see errors at boot time.
[05:08] <Dr_willis> mefisto__,  ive never figured out a way to make zeroconf do anything. I think its very much a 'work in progress'
[05:08] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Boot up with a live Cd and mount the drive
[05:08] <Dr_willis> mefisto__,  id say check the wiki/forums for zeroconf info
[05:08] <DaSkreech> or fsck it
[05:08] <halter73> intelikey: what filesystem are u using for your root partition
[05:08] <hombero> myrdos: it outputs the same mangled_main() error
[05:09] <myrdos> I'll try compiling it over here... hold on
[05:09] <intelikey> DaSkreech ?   i'm running from the drive now.
[05:09] <hombero> cool thanks =] 
[05:09] <intelikey> halter73 ext2
[05:09] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Yeah I figured
[05:09] <intelikey> ok i stopped lagging.
[05:10] <intelikey> DaSkreech and ?
[05:10] <DaSkreech> and I gave you the advice I just gave you
[05:10] <halter73> intelikey: did you say you are running from the harddrive or the cd righ now?
[05:10] <intelikey> i'm sorry but what can i do from the live cd that i cant do from the running system ?
[05:10] <intelikey> halter73 hd
[05:10] <DaSkreech> unmount the drive and run fsck on it?
[05:11] <halter73> but it is just mounting to /root
[05:11] <intelikey> DaSkreech i can remount ro and check it.   but it's clean.
[05:11] <halter73> intelikey: try running sudo mount /dev/root
[05:11] <DaSkreech> can you fsck the .imd ?
[05:11] <DaSkreech> can you fsck the .img ?
[05:11] <halter73> or have you already done so?
[05:11] <intelikey> can you fsck cramfs ?
[05:12] <intelikey> halter73 yeah dev/root is mounted on /
[05:12] <DaSkreech> I would assume if it is a fs you can check it in some way
[05:12] <DaSkreech> well you can't for swap so maybe not
[05:12] <intelikey> cram is readonly  i never saw any fsck util for it...
[05:12] <Ash-Fox> By sending specially crafted packets, a remote attacker could exploit this to bypass firewall rules. <- Those exploits are so cool :P
[05:13] <Dr_willis> Yea - fscking cramfs - seems ... odd...
[05:13] <halter73> ok then the error message could be a resuld to trying to mount a partition already on "/" to "/root"
[05:13] <myrdos> compiled for me, some of the stuff in there gave deprecation warnings
[05:13] <myrdos> the command I used:
[05:13] <myrdos> g++ test.cpp `allegro-config --libs`
[05:14] <compilerwriter> yes halter73 I wanted to reinstall boinc
[05:14] <halter73> intelikey: ok then the error message could be a resuld to trying to mount a partition already on "/" to "/root"
[05:14] <myrdos> I had to make the main function return an int though
[05:14] <myrdos> probably could have avoided that if I'd used gcc instead of g++
[05:14] <intelikey> halter73 yeah  could be.   what do you sujest ?     rebuilding the initramfs.img ?
[05:15] <halter73> intelikey: you could edit your /etc/fsatb file to stop your computer from incorrectly mounting the hard drive
[05:15] <intelikey> halter73 that's before it ever sees /etc
[05:15] <intelikey> notice the next to last line of text
[05:15] <hombero> okay thank you for your work myrdos
[05:16] <halter73> compilerwriter:  http://einstein.astro.gla.ac.uk/download/boinc/dl/boinc_5.4.11_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh
[05:16] <myrdos> no problem, if you still can't get it, I recommend the allegro forums
[05:16] <hombero> i tihnk i might need to just uninstall kdevelop and reinstall or something because it seems its a problem with kdevelop/mycompiler
[05:16] <intelikey>  "   * INIT: version 2.86 booting
[05:16] <hombero> although..
[05:16] <myrdos> try it at the command line first
[05:16] <matthew> ok, here I go...ran dpkg --reconfigure xorg...or something like that...restarting now!
[05:16] <myrdos> then switch to kdevelop
[05:16] <intelikey>   that's when the system loads init
[05:16] <hombero> am i supposed to restart after installing allegro?
[05:16] <myrdos> shouldn't have to
[05:17] <bobdediego> guy, would Kubuntu 6.06 AMD64 run fine on an Dell XPS 400 with a Pentium D?
[05:17] <myrdos> good luck, anyways
[05:17] <halter73> intelikey: you could be right, my idea is just that, an idea
[05:17] <myrdos> nice library once you get it working
[05:17] <hombero> im wondeirng if i need to link something in or something
[05:17] <hombero> ty
[05:17] <myrdos> if you use the package, everything should be done for you
[05:17] <pacman_> can anyone recommend a good .flac to .mp3 converter?
[05:17] <intelikey> well fstab is accurate anyway.
[05:18] <myrdos> it's only the source code that needs all kinds of tweaking
[05:18] <DaSkreech> intelikey: I'd be looking ath the magic error
[05:18] <halter73> intelikey: however the fact that the bootup is trying to mount "/root" before "/" could be a problem
[05:18] <myrdos> hold on a sec...
[05:18] <compilerwriter> ok thanks halter73
[05:18] <chupie> ok, i'm trying to update java jre.. but when i goto install it doing apt-get install sun-java5-jre it says that the package is unavailable..
[05:18] <halter73> compilerwriter: are you there
[05:18] <bobdediego> guys, would Kubuntu 6.06 AMD64 run fine on an Dell XPS 400 with a Pentium D?, what do you think?
[05:18] <pacman_> intelikey: your opinion is always welcome
[05:19] <hombero> i used the package that was listed on adept
[05:19] <halter73> bobdediego: yes, why not?
[05:19] <bobdediego> ok, im about to wipe out mu actual kubuntu installation to try that one, thx halter73 :)
[05:19] <intelikey> halter73 no in the initramfs the hard drive is mounted on /root then init is loaded and the system is checked and then fstab read and the same fs mounted on /root is then mounted on /      i know it sounds convoluted but that's how ubuntu does it.
[05:19] <myrdos> yeah, that's the one
[05:20] <hombero> well i think ive figured out the problem..
[05:20] <dennister> intelikey: your cat command told me that yes, the usbfs for my scanner is multiply mounted; how do i reduce these multiple mounts?
[05:20] <myrdos> ?
[05:20] <hombero> for some reason both allegro 4.1 and 4.2 are installed
[05:20] <myrdos> heh, it can't help
[05:20] <halter73> intelikey: it seams you know more about it than i do, i was just trying to help
[05:20] <hombero> going to try to see if that helps
[05:20] <DaSkreech> thats upstart?
[05:21] <pacman_> intelikey is the man (or woman)
[05:21] <DaSkreech> or bot
[05:21] <intelikey> dennister find what is mounting it.    and stop one of them.    alternatively you can use a startup script to just umount it and thus start from scratch.
[05:21] <halter73> bobdediego: why not kubuntu 6.10?
[05:21] <bobdediego> good question, maybe I should download that one
[05:22] <pacman_> intelikey: no help? :(
[05:22] <bobdediego> not sure yet
[05:22] <dennister> how do i find out what is mounting it? (i certainly don't know how to use a startup script)
[05:22] <halter73> bobdediego: I think it is much better, but it is just my opinion
[05:22] <bobdediego> i had to stop the dual core feature on this installation
[05:23] <intelikey> pacman_ i missed your Q sorry.  but no i never used flac  so i have no idea.
[05:23] <bobdediego> the cpu usage was at 100%
[05:23] <dennister> i know there is no fstab line anymore for this usbfs...where else could it be
[05:23] <halter73> bobdediego: I have not done a kubuntu install on a dual core processor before so maybe ask someone who has
[05:23] <DaSkreech> bobdediego: it's using it as SMP?
[05:23] <halter73> bobdediego: the newer the version though, the more likely i figure the bug would be fixed?
[05:23] <bobdediego> thx for your opinion halter73, i will do some more research in any case
[05:23] <dennister> halter73: i have a dual core processor here
[05:24] <halter73> dennister: does it work well on kubuntu 6.10
[05:24] <compilerwriter> halter73 how exactly am I to install it?
[05:24] <hombero> okay
[05:24] <dennister> yes, i'm very pleased indeed
[05:24] <halter73> compilerwriter: did you download it yet?
[05:24] <bobdediego> what processor do you have dennister?
[05:24] <hombero> i dragged the files that im trying to open into kdevelop over from a CD onto my desktop, but im getting that i dont have permission to access them when kdev want sto save or compile any ideas?
[05:24] <compilerwriter> I tried to, but it said it is a binary file and saving it will do no good.
[05:25] <dennister> amd 64 x2 3800+
[05:25] <compilerwriter> Have it on my desktop now.
[05:25] <bobdediego> I have an Intel Pentium D
[05:25] <myrdos> it's still set to read only
[05:25] <myrdos> cause it was copied from a CD
[05:25] <halter73> the open up the konsole
[05:25] <halter73> run cd Desktop
[05:25] <myrdos> from the command line it's: chmod a+x myfiles
[05:25] <myrdos> doh
[05:26] <myrdos> I mean chmod a+rw myfiles
[05:26] <halter73> then sudo sudo ./boinc_5.4.11_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh
[05:26] <myrdos> probably an option by right-clicking on it to enable writing as well
[05:26] <halter73> compilerwriter:
 the open up the konsole
[05:26] <halter73> [23:26]  <halter73> run cd Desktop
[05:26] <hombero> okay thanks myr, can I put a folder name for myfiles and have it do the entire folder?
[05:26] <halter73> compilerwriter: then sudo sudo ./boinc_5.4.11_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh
[05:27] <myrdos> chmod a+rw *
[05:27] <hombero> thank you
[05:27] <myrdos> that would do all the files in a folder
[05:27] <dennister> well i need to go start a download on another machine...then bedtime for me...will try to fix this multiply-mounted usbfs for my scanner tomorrow...night folks
[05:27] <bobdediego> take care dennister
[05:28] <hombero> take care
[05:28] <halter73> ttyl dennister
[05:28] <hombero> its still saying i dont have permission hmm
[05:28] <compilerwriter> keith@Minuet:~/Desktop$ sudo sudo ./boinc*
[05:28] <compilerwriter> Password:
[05:28] <compilerwriter> sudo: ./boinc_5.4.11_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh: command not found
[05:28] <compilerwriter> keith@Minuet:~/Desktop$
[05:28] <bobdediego> with sudo?
[05:28] <intelikey> DaSkreech ok lets examine the "[17179594.072000]  cramfs: wrong magic "    do you have any idea what it's looking for ?
[05:28] <myrdos> well, right-click on the icon for one of them, go to properties->permissions
[05:29] <intelikey> what why or where  ?
[05:29] <myrdos> what does it say?
[05:29] <halter73> compilerwriter: whed you are in the Desktop directory after running "cd Desktop"
[05:29] <compilerwriter> halter73 sudo gives me an error
[05:29] <hombero> says Can read Can read Can read
[05:30] <myrdos> switch to can read and modify
[05:30] <bobdediego> its today wednesday?, OMG ive been sitting here too long :(
[05:30] <halter73> ok you are in the Desktop already i think compilerwriter
[05:30] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Magic number?
[05:30] <hombero> ok thanks, do i have to do that for every file over and over though>
[05:30] <DaSkreech> though that seems wrong
[05:30] <compilerwriter> That is correct halter73
[05:30] <myrdos> if chmod didn't work...
[05:30] <DaSkreech>  My hard drive threw that error a day before it died
[05:30] <halter73> then run "ls |grep boin
[05:30] <halter73> compilerwriter: "ls |grep boin
[05:31] <hombero> i think i know how to do it
[05:31] <compilerwriter> ls | grep boinc
[05:31] <hombero> i checked "apply to all folders and their subdirectories under this level" or something
[05:31] <intelikey> well it's not likely that the initramfs.img is about to die.   and the hd has never had a bad block   and i've checked it several times.
[05:31] <hombero> maybe that will apply it to all
[05:31] <halter73> does this command output anything? compilerwriter
[05:31] <myrdos> sounds good
[05:31] <myrdos> It looks like you can select multiple files and right click to change all their permissions as well
[05:31] <compilerwriter> yup it outputs that I have a file boinc_5.****
[05:32] <intelikey> google shows sever people describing the same problem but i've not seen any answer yet...
[05:32] <compilerwriter> Is there a way to apt-get boinc
[05:32] <ubuntu> Hi, I'am going to install Kubuntu 6.06 Dapper Drake, Is there any way to tell gparted to mount 2 lvm partitions to /home and /usr, I want to keep my /home lvm partition cuz I have my data there
[05:32] <hombero> okay it worked, myrdos, but now I get this error that is not allowing it to compile
[05:32] <hombero>  -  /usr/lib/liballeg.a(xwin.o): In function `_xwin_private_set_window_defaults': undefined reference to `XpmCreatePixmapFromData'
[05:32] <halter73> ok then run "sudo ./bion" then press [TAB]  and it should finish the statment the press ENTER compilerwriter
[05:33] <myrdos> are you linking to the library?
[05:33] <DaSkreech> intelikey: is the number significant?
[05:33] <compilerwriter> sudo complains that the command is not found
[05:33] <myrdos> I've never used Kdevelop, I just use Kate + terminal
[05:33] <hombero> i dont know myr, all i did was install kdev, install the essentials, install allegro and then typed in some allegro code from a learning book
[05:33] <halter73> if that doesn't work run "sudo sh bion" then press [TAB]  ... compilerwriter
[05:33] <myrdos> OK, you definitely need to link to allegro
[05:33] <ubuntu> Someone with knowledge about ubuntu, lvm and gparted ?
[05:34] <halter73> in place of ./ write "sh" then a space [space] 
[05:34] <halter73> in place of ./ write "sh" then a space [space]  compilerwriter
[05:34] <myrdos> but cursed if I know how to do it in KDevelop
[05:35] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Using the live CD?
[05:35] <halter73> is it working compilerwriter
[05:35] <hombero> alas i do not know either, be right back
[05:36] <halter73> ubuntu: why not use 6.10
[05:36] <compilerwriter> I think I have it installed now I have to get the client fired up and the gui fired up.
[05:36] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: Yes, I am using LiveCD 6.06
[05:36] <intelikey> DaSkreech the number preceeding the error message ?
[05:36] <genii> Is anyone getting a weird half-blank screen during install on Feisty?
[05:36] <matthew> man, that was hard...but I got
[05:36] <ubuntu> halter73: I'am going to upgrade as soon as I install this one. :)
[05:37] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: FAIK the LiveCD isnt the way to go for Lvm. If you are installing get the alternate CD
[05:37] <myrdos> Here's what I've googled: Run allegro-config --libs on the command line. That'll give you a list of things to add to KDevelop's linker settings.
[05:37] <DaSkreech> intelikey:
[05:37] <DaSkreech> yes
[05:37] <matthew> 'er done...I reconfigured several times...now it's working again...better than before I think...I don't think that the installer installed the right driver/options
[05:37] <halter73> why not install 6.10 and skip the frustration of upgrading, ubuntu
[05:37] <intelikey> i wouldn't think so    it's just  a kernel timestamp
[05:37] <ubuntu> DaSkreech:  alternate cd? Where do I obtain it?
[05:38] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Where did you get the LIve Cd?
[05:38] <matthew> !alternate
[05:38] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[05:38] <myrdos> This seems to be a good link also: http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/588758
[05:38] <genii> The live cd and the install CD are now the same
[05:38] <intelikey> DaSkreech ^ i wouldn't think so    it's just  a kernel timestamp
[05:39] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: Downloaded at the {k,u}buntu website
[05:39] <myrdos> and it's time for me to get some sleep. Take it easy :)
[05:39] <ubuntu> ubotu: Thanks
[05:39] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[05:39] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: That's the same place you get the alternate
[05:39] <ubuntu> I kneew
[05:39] <DaSkreech> ubuntu:  I assume this is for an install?
[05:40] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: You are sure that it is possible to mount lvm partitions with the alternate cd, like in debian?
[05:40] <DaSkreech> intelikey: So any idea waht the magic is?
[05:40] <lexi_> hi @all. did anyone manage to bring iTunes to live via wine ? followed this recipe http://frankscorner.org/index.php?p=itunes6 . didnt work for me.
[05:40] <genii> Domo Arigato Mr Ubotu
[05:40] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: The alternate is to install. Is this an install issue?
[05:40] <intelikey> hehhe there is another odd one on that subject.  http://gnowledge.org/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20030602/036528.html
[05:41] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: Yes
[05:41] <DaSkreech> lexi_: Why do you want itunes?
[05:41] <compilerwriter> got a client and manager going now.  Have to reconnect.
[05:41] <compilerwriter> Thanks.
[05:41] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: if you want to test you can install lvm on the Live CD
[05:42] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: I want to install ubuntu but want the setup to install the /usr to an alredy existing /usr lvm partition. And mount /home to my alredy existing lvm home partition
[05:42] <lexi_> as a client for the store. i know there are plenty alternatives for everything else ;)
[05:42] <halter73> your welcome compilerwriter
[05:42] <intelikey> DaSkreech i'm going to see if the new kernel patch helps and rebuild the initramfs.img  if it doesn't.     thanks for the ToD and effort.
[05:43] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: There is alredy LVM on the livecd, The thing is that I can't manage gparted to mount my lvm parititons the way I want. It sees only the usual parititons
[05:43] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: I would think that the alternate is the way to go. You many need to go to the advanced install (f6)
[05:43] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Oh really I've never gotten LVM to work on the live CD
[05:44] <matthew> ok, this is a major pain in the butt
[05:44] <matthew> I tried to play supertux w/ openGL enabled...and it crashed...
[05:45] <ubuntu> DaSkreech:  Then I'll give the alternate cd expert/advanced install a try. Thanks for your help
[05:45] <halter73> matthew: how did you install the ATI drivers?
[05:45] <matthew> h/o
[05:45] <matthew> halter73, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xor
[05:45] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Cool :)
[05:45] <matthew> -xorg
[05:46] <genii> matthew Do you have some x300 - x800 series ATI?
[05:46] <hombero> hey
[05:46] <genii> Because I have a page bookmarked here for special driver install on those
[05:46] <matthew> halter73, used the ati driver, with no kernel frame buffering, 65536 of RAM, stuff like that
[05:47] <matthew> genii, I have a rage 128 pro
[05:47] <hombero> Myr are you still here?
[05:48] <genii> matthew Ah OK... I used to have a PCI one. I eventually had to use the vesa driver, the xorg driver kept crashing it
[05:48] <halter73> i wish, i could help more but i use nvidia cards
[05:49] <matthew> genii, ok...why does the ati crash so often?
[05:50] <genii> matthew mainly because ATI provides little info to developers for drivers so much is done by reverse-engineering
[05:50] <matthew> genii, ah yes, I remember reading that now
[05:50] <hombero> anyone fammiliar with kdevelop here?
[05:51] <solid_liq> hombero: try #kde-devel
[05:51] <AngryElf> hey all when I launch amarok I get "failed to open device" then it quits......I see nothing but the splash screen
[05:52] <halter73> AngryElf: not to stat the obvious but have you reinstalled amarok
[05:53] <AngryElf> I did dpkg-reconfigure amarok
[05:53] <hombero> thank you solid
[05:53] <genii> matthew I'll give you the link to that ATI driver install page .. you may want to try the alternate driver listed http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=190133
[05:54] <halter73> AngryElf: why not just use adept
[05:54] <matthew> genii, will it work for the rage-class card? seems like all the drivers out there are for the Radeon and up cards
[05:54] <halter73> AngryElf: anyway if reinstalling doesint work run amarok from the command line and post the output
[05:55] <dettoaltrimenti_> is there a website to read the manual entries to programs/commands in linux?
[05:55] <AngryElf> it's something to do with mysql
[05:56] <genii> matthew Well, I figure it's worth a try. You can always revert the driver by editing the xorg.conf file after if it's no good
[05:56] <matthew> ok, go for it...
[05:56] <halter73> AngryElf: to my knowledge amarok does not require MySQL, Do you have any more info
[05:57] <genii-away> I need to make a coffee run...back in 10
[05:58] <hombero> not finding any help with kdevelop in #kde-devel or #kdevelop
[05:58] <dettoaltrimenti_> how do I make certain programs run during starup? is there some kind of tutorial online describing how?
[05:58] <AngryElf> yea, i set it to use mysql :) which is why it's got something to do with it ;)
[05:58] <AngryElf> i got it working -- however, the fact that it didn't like my mysql Settings should not prevent it from opening altogether
[05:59] <halter73> AngryElf: what do you us MySQL for?
[06:00] <AngryElf> more than one computer hitting my one DB
[06:00] <halter73> AngryElf: And I realized that libmysqlclient15off is required
[06:00] <halter73> Angry
[06:00] <halter73> AngryElf: however i'm sure you have that if you have the entire database
[06:01] <halter73> AngryElf: Has it worked w/ MySQL previously
[06:01] <AngryElf> like I said, it's working now -- i had the host ip wrong
[06:01] <AngryElf> my point now is that *that* shouldn't prevent mysql from opening
[06:01] <halter73> o, ok i missed that, my bad
[06:01] <AngryElf> that smells like a bug
[06:01] <halter73> submit it to bugzilla or it equivilant
[06:11] <matthew> genii-away, ok, I tried that...didn't work...bummer, huh? How's the coffee?
[06:12] <matthew> genii, ok, I tried that...didn't work...bummer, huh? How's the coffee?
[06:12] <genii> I *JUST* returned :) Coffee is strong and good
[06:12] <matthew> genii, yuck...but that's just me...
[06:12] <matthew> genii, I like SWM's...Single White Mochas
[06:13] <matthew> genii, with whipped cream...
[06:13] <matthew> mmmm
[06:13] <genii> matthew I set up a rage 128 AIW before... had to use the vesa driver eventually, unfortunately
[06:13] <matthew> genii, I'm now using the ati driver, but if I run into problems, that's where I'll go as well.
[06:14] <genii> Is your GL library up-to-date?
[06:14] <matthew> genii, how can I tell
[06:14] <matthew> ?
[06:15] <genii> Looking into that right now
[06:15] <matthew> genii, thanks for being such a huge help to me.
[06:16] <DaSkreech> Why isn't there an ubuntu-games ?
[06:17] <genii> matthew libgl1-mesa seems to be the library
[06:18] <matthew> genii, sudo apt-get install libgl1-mesa?
[06:18] <genii> yeah I'd try that
[06:18] <matthew> ok, here we go
[06:18] <DaSkreech> Tribal trouvles has an Ubuntu fix :-)
[06:19] <matthew> libgl1-mesa-glx is already the newest version.
[06:19] <genii> There also seem to be a lot of other things gl-related from the results of apt-cache search opengl|more
[06:19] <matthew> genii, any other ideas?
[06:20] <genii> give me a minute, I need to go look at my other machine here...this is a windoze box :)
[06:20] <genii> perhaps libgl1-mesa-dri
[06:21] <matthew> libgl1-mesa-dri is already the newest version.
[06:21] <hombero> what is the "commit"?
[06:21] <genii> and libgl1-mesa-swrast
[06:22] <genii> libglu1-mesa perhaps
[06:22] <matthew> genii, ooh, that did something, I'm being prompted to install 53.1 MB of stuff...I think I'll do it...
[06:22] <Ash-Fox> !soundcards
[06:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about soundcards - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:22] <genii> Weird the bot should know SOMEthing about soundcards
[06:23] <hombero> !sound cards
[06:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sound cards - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:23] <genii> matthew If those libraries I mentioned get updated and still no-go I'm outta ideas
[06:23] <hombero> !audio cards
[06:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about audio cards - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:23] <hombero> meh
[06:23] <matthew> ok...
[06:24] <matthew> genii, once those 50 megs of libs d/l, I'll do that last one...and then...use the fglrx driver?
[06:24] <genii> Well I'd try the ATI driver first
[06:25] <genii> Also I just found another library that maybe needs updating libgl1-mesa-glide3
[06:26] <genii> A lot of hardware GL stuff needs glide drivers
[06:27] <matthew> genii, ok, gonna restart the ol' xserver...
[06:28] <genii> matthew OK good luck :)
[06:33] <matthew> genii, hmm, restarted, xserver wouldn't load, ran the dpkg thing, ati, no buffer, 64k RAM, etc, back up...testing the opengl right now...
[06:34] <genii> OK
[06:34] <genii> matthew at the command-line what does "glxinfo | grep render" produce?
[06:35] <matthew> genii, darn, I really screwed something up. I now longer have access to screensavers, The diagnostics is: /usr/lib/libglide3.so.3: undefined symbol: _LINE_
[06:35] <matthew> ok, h/o
[06:35] <matthew> genii, I get the following: glxinfo: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libglide3.so.3: undefined symbol: __LINE__
[06:36] <matthew> I really screwed something up, huh?
[06:36] <genii> bah, some kernel version mismatch it seems
[06:36] <matthew> I'm using the 2.6.17-10-generic version.
[06:37] <matthew> genii, wow, I'm in way over my head...what do I do?
[06:37] <genii> No worries :)
[06:37] <matthew> gonna talk me though it?
[06:37] <matthew> through
[06:38] <genii> matthew Just revert the xorg.conf file to use the ATI driver (or vesa if you prefer) as before, and do the dpkg-reconfigure for X
[06:38] <matthew> ok...h/o
[06:38] <genii> Since the glide3 drivers seem to be the prob right here, do an ap-get remove --purge libgl1-mesa-glide3
[06:39] <bgsteffens> i just bought a new hard drive. how can i access it in kubuntu edgy (preferably thru conqueror)
[06:39] <matthew> purging now...
[06:39] <genii> matthew OK good
[06:40] <genii> bgsteffens How will it be physically installed? Slave on same cable as existing harddrive?
[06:41] <bgsteffens> genii yep, already hooked it up
[06:41] <genii> bgsteffens OK, is your normal master drive hda or hdc ?
[06:41] <bgsteffens> hda
[06:41] <Ash-Fox> I'd like to set the order of three soundcards. The method I've found requires that I set in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base, options module-name index=<number for sound device>, unfortunately. I have two soundcards that use the same module (snd_usb_audio), unfortunately as they are USB devices, I can plug them into any port -- so I can't really rely on which port they're plugged into. "asoundconf list" does however name one "Headset" and the other
[06:42] <genii> bgsteffens OK, so it will be then hdb. You need to partition it first, then format it. after that you can mount it.
[06:42] <bgsteffens> thanks
[06:43] <matthew> genii, apt is telling me that there is a veritable plethora of packages that are no longer needed...I'll post it to paste-bin...
[06:43] <genii> bgsteffens since I am a command-line guy I would do: fdisk /dev/hdb ...set it up...then mke2fs /dev/hdb1 then make a dir like /mnt/drive2  then put an fstab entry for it
[06:44] <genii> matthew OK
[06:44] <matthew> !pastebin
[06:44] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:45] <genii> matthew Don't worry much, they are all sub-dependencies of that main glide3 package
[06:45] <matthew> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36948/
[06:45] <matthew> I don't think so...
[06:45] <matthew> not kpager and ksig and ktuberlings...
[06:45] <genii> Whoa hangon, I just have that page up now
[06:46] <genii> WTF?
[06:46] <matthew> seriously
[06:46] <genii> 1 minute
[06:46] <matthew> ok
[06:46] <matthew> not panicking
[06:46] <matthew> lol
[06:46] <matthew> I think I'll put in 'n', not 'Y'
[06:46] <matthew> lol
[06:46] <genii> Yeah good idea
[06:46] <rpv> hi all
[06:47] <matthew> so...ideas?
[06:47] <genii> It should *NOT* be wanting to remove all that kde stuff
[06:47] <matthew> yeah, i should think not!
[06:47] <genii> try without the --purge
[06:47] <drewdropin> hey room ~~~~~~~~~~!!!
[06:47] <drewdropin> I'm so glad I got on....
[06:47] <matthew> genii, same thing
[06:48] <genii> matthew OK give me a minute to cogitate :)
[06:48] <matthew> ok...here's some light reading...http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36949/
[06:48] <drewdropin> It's been sooooooooooo hard getting ANY chat to work!!!!
[06:48] <matthew> drewdropin, this ubuntu-specific chat...
[06:48] <matthew> just so you know
[06:48] <genii> Did it give you any compile or install messages when libgl1-mesa-glide3 was installed?
[06:49] <matthew> genii, nope, nothing...
[06:49] <matthew> just that it wanted to install a bunch of libs and remove some libs...
[06:49] <matthew> I was kind of sketch about it...oh well, I can always reinstall...got my /home partition on a different drive...
[06:50] <drewdropin> thanks matthew....
[06:50] <genii> brb--researching
[06:50] <drewdropin> I'm using ubuntu
[06:50] <matthew> genii, thanks for stickin' with it!
[06:51] <matthew> drewdropin, that's very cool...
[06:51] <drewdropin> kubuntu is what again???
[06:51] <genii> matthew please do an apt-get check
[06:51] <drewdropin> how do I get onto freenode or regular ubuntu chat???
[06:52] <matthew> drewdropin, kubuntu is ubuntu with the KDE desktop manager
[06:52] <genii> dewdropin It's the KDE version of ubuntu as opposed to the GNOME version
[06:52] <matthew> drewdropin, /join #ubuntu
[06:52] <matthew> Reading package lists... Done
[06:52] <matthew> Building dependency tree
[06:52] <matthew> Reading state information... Done
[06:52] <drewdropin> what's the differance???
[06:52] <matthew> drewdropin, the interface...the Graphical User Interface
[06:53] <matthew> drewdropin, the desktop
[06:53] <DaSkreech> drewdropin: one uses KDE
[06:53] <drewdropin> is the desktop not like windows???
[06:53] <matthew> drewdropin, KDE is full of eyecandy, while GNOME just gets 'er done
[06:53] <genii> The KDE desktop looks more like a Windows desktop basically
[06:53] <drewdropin> in kde that is
[06:54] <drewdropin> really
[06:54] <Jucato> correction: KDE can be full of eyecandy, and yet get the job done
[06:54] <matthew> genii, Reading package lists... Done
[06:54] <matthew> Building dependency tree
[06:54] <matthew> Reading state information... Done
[06:54] <drewdropin> so Kubuntu is even better....
[06:54] <matthew> drewdropin, For some people it is better...
[06:54] <matthew> especially those with higher end machines
[06:54] <genii> matthew this should check your system integrity and give some report
[06:54] <drewdropin> like which is better coke or pepsi?
[06:55] <matthew> although I'm using kubuntu on  a 933Mhz box w/ 512MB RAM
[06:55] <matthew> genii, should I pipe the output to a file or to /dev/dsp?
[06:55] <matthew> or something like that?
[06:55] <drewdropin> I'm using just about the same....
[06:56] <genii> matthew to a file and pastebin would be handy :)
[06:56] <matthew> I do that with "sudo apt-get check > /home/matthew/file.txt" , right?
[06:57] <genii> yeah that works
[06:57] <DaSkreech> drewdropin: use both and decide
[06:57] <genii> you may need to alter permissions on it if yer trying to view it as the regular user
[06:58] <matthew> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36950/
[06:58] <genii> or ownership rather than permissions
[06:58] <genii> matthew OK brb
[06:58] <genii> Hmm, no glaring errors it seems
[06:58] <matthew> no confirmation of anything either...
[06:59] <matthew> genii, running out of ideas?
[06:59] <genii> apt-cache unmet libgl1-mesa-glide3
[07:00] <genii> Will say what deps it can't find or are messedup hopefully
[07:01] <matthew> ok...whoa...h/o
[07:04] <matthew> genii, ok, here it comes...http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36952/
[07:04] <genii> OK
[07:05] <matthew> I would agree with that!
[07:05] <dettoaltrimenti_> kubuntu makes me stand up straight- there are these gears in konqueror that you can't see if you're looking directly at the monitor, but if you tilt it up or down (a laptop monitor), you can see them
[07:05] <dettoaltrimenti_> makes me sit up straight, rather
[07:07] <DaSkreech> rsi_break does the same thing :)
[07:08] <genii> Whats weird is dep checking doesn't show any unresolved dependencies
[07:08] <matthew> ah, the beauty of linux...even n00bs can royally screw it up...lol at myself...
[07:09] <genii> scouring for X specific stuff... looks like most of it is OO related...dictionaries etc
[07:10] <matthew> yeah...but seems like it wanted to remove a bunch more than that...kwallet, etc...
[07:10] <genii> matthew Are you using xfce4 ?
[07:10] <matthew> genii, nope, kde 3.5.5
[07:10] <genii> bizarre
[07:10] <matthew> with qt 3.3.6
[07:12] <genii> still scouring ...brb
[07:12] <zahnza> hello, i am having some problems with my wirless card and was wondering if anyone could help
[07:12] <matthew> genii, take as long as you want. I'll be up all night long...
[07:13] <genii> heh
[07:14] <zahnza> anyone?
[07:14] <genii> There are so many unresolved dependencies (many of them seem non-crucial) ... I would try an apt-get update to see if it can be resolved automatically
[07:15] <matthew> okey doke...brb
[07:15] <matthew> !anyone
[07:15] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[07:15] <genii> Oddly enough there is nothing in the entire mess which indicates some deficiencies in the X system LOL
[07:15] <matthew> how ironic
[07:16] <matthew> It looks the same to me...http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36953/
[07:18] <genii> OK checking it BRB
[07:18] <genii> No it definitely is a shorter list
[07:19] <genii> What remains is almost exclusively mozilla and OO stuff now
[07:19] <zahnza> the card i have is an awll3026 and it works fine when i am close to the router but when i go to another room i can't connect, the computer can see the accespoint fine, but hangs when it tries to connect, i know that it's no out of the range for the card because it workd fine on the same machine running windows
[07:20] <matthew> zahnza, do you have many christmas ornaments up?
[07:20] <zahnza> access point*
[07:20] <zahnza> none
[07:20] <genii> matthew OK, right now what X driver are you using? The ATI one?
[07:21] <zahnza> no that big of a fan of christmas
[07:21] <zahnza> not*
[07:21] <matthew> zahnza, christmas ornaments degrade wireless signals.
[07:21] <zahnza> yeah, im sure
[07:22] <zahnza> because they creater their own signal, its a plot by the gov. to control our minds
[07:22] <matthew> genii, yes, the ati one
[07:22] <matthew> zahnza, I'm not kidding.
[07:22] <genii> OK, try the glinfo command again
[07:22] <zahnza> basically what i am asking is if there is anyway to boost the signal strength
[07:22] <zahnza> on the card itself
[07:23] <genii> zahnza Get an antenna with a Db booster
[07:23] <matthew> genii, glinfo? I've never tried that before. Anyways, it comes back with: bash: glinfo: command not found
[07:23] <zahnza> well i shouldnt need one because it works with windows
[07:23] <matthew> zahnza, then use windows
[07:23] <zahnza> so what ever the problem is, its on the linux side
[07:23] <genii> OK it maybe the other command lemme look it up again
[07:23] <matthew> zahnza, ok, I'm sorry. my bad.
[07:23] <matthew> genii, ok
[07:23] <zahnza> you're a really great help thanks
[07:24] <genii> matthew sorry glxinfo (forgot the x)
[07:24] <DaSkreech> zahnza: Is that sarcasm?
[07:24] <matthew> glxinfo: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libglide3.so.3: undefined symbol: __LINE__
[07:24] <genii> bah same crap
[07:24] <zahnza> no, i really appreciate the level of maturity and help i am recieving
[07:24] <genii> matthew OK gimme a few minutes gonna research that lib a bit
[07:24] <matthew> zahnza, the reason you haven't gotten help is cause nobody knows, or they're helping someone else
[07:25] <matthew> genii, thanks so much!
[07:25] <zahnza> that's fine, but that does not mean you have to be an ass
[07:25] <genii> I got nothing better to do atm :)
[07:25] <matthew> !language
[07:25] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:25] <matthew> !etiquette
[07:25] <ubotu> Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam, !AskTheBot - and most importantly, use common sense :-)
[07:25] <matthew> !attitude
[07:25] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[07:25] <zahnza> sorry
[07:25] <matthew> no prob
[07:25] <zahnza> that doesnt many you have to be rude
[07:25] <matthew> I get like that too...as you witnessed
[07:26] <matthew> genii, good to know that I rank above nothing, but below something...lol
[07:26] <DaSkreech> zahnza: What's the problem?
[07:27] <zahnza> i have a wireless card (awll3026) and it works fine when i am close to the router but when i go to another room i can't connect, the computer can see the accespoint fine, but hangs when it tries to connect, i know that it's no out of the range for the card because it workd fine on the same machine running windows
[07:27] <Hoso001> Is it possible to emulate a recent version of itunes ?
[07:27] <genii> matthew try apt-get install libglide3-dev then re-run the glxinfo
[07:28] <DaSkreech> Hoso001: install amarok
[07:28] <Hoso001> I need to place some DRM protected music
[07:28] <matthew> it sets libglide up, but I found this in the middle: debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process
[07:28] <DaSkreech> did you read !wireless ?
[07:28] <DaSkreech> Hoso001: Ah then you need to install itunes I'd suspect
[07:28] <zahnza> not yet
[07:28] <matthew> genii, and I get the same old undefined symbol garbage...oh well...
[07:29] <DaSkreech> !wireless | zahnza
[07:29] <ubotu> zahnza: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:29] <genii> zahnza There may be some smtp command you can run to boost your cards signal strength but offhand I wouldn't know it. You may want to google for smtp plus chipset or similar
[07:29] <zahnza> alright
[07:29] <DaSkreech> They hsould have list of known cards with issues and possible workarounds
[07:29] <genii> matthew The lock thing means 2 prrocesses are trying to run apt
[07:30] <matthew> hmm, I don't have anything else up that's using apt...only apt-get.
[07:30] <MukiEX> I made a simple shell script, but KDE only sees it as a plain text document.
[07:30] <genii> Do you perhaps have aptitude or similar open in X?
[07:30] <MukiEX> Is there a way to make it double-clickable?
[07:30] <matthew> no sir
[07:30] <genii> sNtp not smtp sorry
[07:30] <matthew> I've got Xchat, SwiftFox, Skype, and the CLI
[07:31] <notech> MukiEX: did you make it executable?
[07:31] <matthew> running atm
[07:31] <MukiEX> notech : yes
[07:31] <MukiEX> I renamed it .sh , but KDE just shows at as a shell script with contents of a Plain Text Document
[07:31] <genii> matthew and still same glxinfo "symbol not found" or similar?
[07:32] <matthew> glxinfo: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libglide3.so.3: undefined symbol: __LINE__
[07:32] <genii> matthew OK more research needed :) afk
[07:32] <notech> MukiEX: what's the first line in it?
[07:32] <matthew> again...lol
[07:33] <matthew> anything I can do?
[07:33] <MukiEX> echo "Making Directories"
[07:33] <MukiEX> It's all commands, and it was made entirely in nano
[07:33] <notech> MukiEX: the first line of a bassh script must start #!/bin/sh
[07:34] <genii> looks like yer not the only one with this prob..eg: http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/625895/an/0/page/2
[07:34] <MukiEX> notech : Is there a way to make it open an xterm window and run its commands from it?
[07:34] <MukiEX> *run all subsequent commands from it
[07:34] <MukiEX> *in it
[07:34] <notech> MukiEX: dunno, might ask in #bash
[07:34] <MukiEX> Thanks, notech =3
[07:34] <Jucato> MukiEX: in Konqueror, right-click on the file, select Properties, in the Permissions tab, is [ ]  Executable enabled/checked?
[07:35] <matthew> genii, yeah, but unlike him, I've got someone to help me...I hate it when nobody responds on forums...
[07:35] <MukiEX> Jucato : Yes, but notech already solved my issue =3
[07:35] <Jucato> ok
[07:36] <genii> heh
[07:36] <matthew> aw, c'mon, I know your blushing, lol
[07:36] <matthew> you're
[07:36] <matthew> so, anyway, any luck?
[07:37] <genii> Looks like a known bug: http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2005/09/msg00492.html
[07:37] <DaSkreech> Keyhole?
[07:38] <genii> Something to do with xlibmesa-dri apparently
[07:38] <matthew> so, what can I do? apt-get remoce xlibmesa-dri?
[07:38] <matthew> or --purge?
[07:39] <genii> 1 minute
[07:39] <matthew> okey doke
[07:39] <genii> ubuntu version of these libraries seem tied in to libosmesa6-dev
[07:40] <matthew> would that make a difference since I'm using kubuntu?
[07:40] <genii> interestingly apt-cache search xlibmesa returns openoffice packages LOL
[07:40] <matthew> hmmm, weird
[07:41] <shinobi2> anyone got a guide to open up a mac opticial mouse?
[07:41] <shinobi2> i don't see screws
[07:41] <matthew> genii, seems like it...
[07:41] <genii> Well perhaps try to install that package and see if it's already on etc
[07:42] <matthew> shinobi2, try using a flat-head screwdriver to wedge into the gap on the side and rotate...not absolutely sure though
[07:42] <genii> I'm pretty sure by now that the gl probs are tied in with the mesa system
[07:42] <matthew> genii, E: Couldn't find package xlibmesa
[07:42] <matthew> oh wait
[07:42] <genii> libosmesa6-dev
[07:42] <matthew> h/o
[07:43] <DaSkreech> Anyone uses OO.o?
[07:43] <genii> DaSkreech Yes,
[07:43] <DaSkreech> Can I put a list of sheets in the side bar for OO calc?
[07:43] <genii> both windoze and linux versions
[07:43] <matthew> I want you to check this out first, ok?
[07:44] <rizal_> my laptop can't produce sounds, what should I do?
[07:44] <DaSkreech> !sound
[07:44] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[07:44] <genii> DaSkreech Sorry, dunno :(
[07:44] <genii> matthew More pastebin?
[07:44] <matthew> genii, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36955/
[07:44] <matthew> oh yeah, more pastebin
[07:44] <genii-pastebin> :)
[07:44] <matthew> hope you're not on a dial-up connection
[07:44] <matthew> lol
[07:44] <genii-pastebin> nah
[07:44] <genii-pastebin> oc3
[07:45] <DaSkreech> Blast
[07:45] <matthew> 10Mbps Cable here
[07:45] <rizal_> I'm using Kubuntu, is it the same with ubuntu?
[07:45] <matthew> moderately slow compared to the rest of the world...except Africa
[07:46] <DaSkreech> matthew: Afrika :)
[07:46] <genii-pastebin> matthew OK, looks like this one may resolve the libgl1-mesa-glide3 stuff
[07:46] <Jucato> !kubuntu | rizal_
[07:46] <ubotu> rizal_: Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[07:46] <matthew> ok, I'm going for it
[07:46] <rizal_> thanks
[07:46] <rizal_> !sound
[07:46] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[07:46] <matthew> If this works, I will wax your car for a year!
[07:46] <matthew> lol
[07:46] <matthew> and possibly bear your children
[07:46] <genii-pastebin> Well, my bicycle LOL
[07:46] <matthew> rofl
[07:47] <genii-pastebin> matthew we still need to see about resloving the gl crash etc
[07:47] <matthew> bitchin', looks like it worked...nother pastebin coming your way!
[07:48] <matthew> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36956/
[07:49] <genii-pastebin> OK cool. Now try with the ATI driver the program that was crashing the GL system earlier and lemme know how it goes :)
[07:49] <matthew> genii-pastebin, I just did glxgears, and it worked for a little while, then the gears look like they were caught on something (I know, I know) and got this message in the CLI: X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
[07:49] <matthew> vesa?
[07:50] <genii-pastebin> vesa is last resort but may eventually be the solution
[07:50] <matthew> or a reinstall of edgy...
[07:50] <matthew> that's kinda like a "Final Solution"
[07:51] <genii-pastebin> Weird that it worked for a bit then crashed
[07:51] <matthew> works for a little over 3 seconds...
[07:51] <Adlai> I've got a fresh kubuntu install and I can't figure out DRI with a radeon x1400
[07:51] <matthew> jsyk
[07:51] <Adlai> does anyone have a link to that?
[07:51] <matthew> Adlai, DRI?
[07:51] <genii-pastebin> adlai 1 minute, yes
[07:52] <Adlai> thanks
[07:52] <Adlai> matthew, direct rendering infrastructure
[07:52] <Adlai> hardware rendering
[07:52] <matthew> ah, no help there!
[07:52] <genii-pastebin> adlai http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=190133
[07:52] <laalitha> hi I am new to kubuntu and I nee some help
[07:52] <matthew> Adlai, genii-pastebin is the man!
[07:52] <Adlai> thanks a million
[07:52] <revolutionstudio> anyone here ever use truecrypt?
[07:52] <laalitha> how do I install firefox
[07:52] <genii> heh forgot about the nick LOL
[07:53] <genii> laalitha apt-get install firefox
[07:53] <laalitha> thanks
[07:53] <matthew> lol
[07:53] <genii> laalitha you may want to use sudo before the apt-get part
[07:53] <matthew> laalitha, sudo apt-get install firefox-bin?
[07:54] <matthew> never mind, just do whatever genii tells you...lol
[07:54] <laalitha> when I try to remove some programs from add/remove it closes down suddenly
[07:54] <laalitha> why is that
[07:54] <revolutionstudio> need to know how to email an encrypted file that was made with truecrypt
[07:54] <genii> matthew OK, my next step is to try the other driver from before...you will need to do the reconfigure etc etc
[07:55] <matthew> which driver? the fglrx one?
[07:55] <genii> laalitha what is the user name you are logged on as?
[07:55] <laalitha> laalitha
[07:55] <genii> matthew Yup
[07:55] <laalitha> why?
[07:55] <matthew> alrighty, brb
[07:55] <genii> laalitha when you run the add-remove program does it ask you for a password?
[07:56] <laalitha> no
[07:56] <laalitha> it  just opens
[07:56] <Adlai> what's better, adept or synaptic (I know there will be opinions on either side...)
[07:56] <genii> laalitha Reason I asked is because some ppl try to run as root, it causes probs
[07:56] <matthew> genii, hmm, got this error: debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process
[07:56] <laalitha> genii firefox is missing i
[07:56] <genii> laalitha Perhaps try from the program Adept or Aptitude instead
[07:57] <laalitha> ok
[07:57] <Adlai> I'm used to doing commandline installs
[07:57] <genii> laalitha OK 1 minute I need to look the exact name
[07:57] <matthew> genii, I think it's firefox-bin
[07:57] <laalitha> I typed firefox-bin didnot work
[07:58] <genii> I think it's mozilla-firefox
[07:58] <laalitha> ok 1 min
[07:58] <Adlai> why don't you just apt-cache search firefox
[07:59] <genii> laalitha When I do apt-cache search it spits back just "firefox". Have you dona ap-get update   yet?
[07:59] <laalitha> no
[07:59] <laalitha> i didn't know that
[07:59] <Adlai> alright, my problem is that the composite extension is enabled, disabling direct rendering, but the composite extension isn't even specified in xorg.conf
[08:00] <genii> matthew Weird, it's saying again 2 progs are tryin to use apt-get
[08:00] <genii> matthew ps ax|grep apt
[08:00] <laalitha> doing it now
[08:00] <Adlai> never mind, found it online
[08:00] <matthew> genii,
[08:00] <matthew>  4127 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/sbin/apt-index-watcher watch --syslog
[08:00] <matthew>  8656 pts/2    R+     0:00 grep apt
[08:01] <matthew> genii, killall apt-index-watcher?
[08:01] <genii> matthew Ah OK, it's doing an automatic look for possible program updates etc
[08:01] <chupie> question.. mounting a windows network share.. how do i?
[08:01] <chupie> i have samba installed
[08:01] <matthew> that's weird...
[08:01] <laalitha> ok genii firefox is installing thanks
[08:01] <chupie> but.. smbmount doesn't work...?
[08:01] <genii> laalitha Good :) Gl;ad to help
[08:02] <laalitha> one more thing I cannot get online using my lan
[08:02] <matthew> I just did an apt-get update...
[08:02] <matthew> that's prob what that's all about...
[08:02] <earl_> can anyone recommend a good batch mp3 tagging program?
[08:02] <earl_> i've been told to use cowbell, but i seem to be having trouble with it
[08:02] <laalitha> it's detected and is in the network devices as enabled
[08:02] <RoKFiT> easytag
[08:02] <genii> matthew It's a cron thing where it just checks periodically
[08:03] <matthew> ah...ok, how long will it take?
[08:03] <earl_> can easytag get tags off the internet?
[08:03] <genii> only a minute or two normally
[08:03] <matthew> I probably don't want to interrupt it, huh?
[08:03] <earl_> i.e. - i don't want to do it myself
[08:03] <RoKFiT> i'm not sure, but i do not think so, but again i'm not sure
[08:03] <earl_> bah
[08:03] <RoKFiT> possibly though
[08:03] <RoKFiT> i would check
[08:03] <RoKFiT> its a good program
[08:03] <earl_> k
[08:03] <genii> You should see on the desktop after a green dot or whatever on bottom right where it says "system is up to date" or whatever when you hover on it after
[08:04] <earl_> cowbell seems good too, it just doesn't seem to like that my music is on a FAT partition
[08:04] <matthew> ok, I'll wait...
[08:04] <matthew> I wish the superkaramba icon didn't look so much like the adept notifier icon...but that's just me...
[08:05] <genii> matthew I think I would recommend a reboot if it still hangs with the lockfile msgs
[08:05] <matthew> after it gets done with the look-around?
[08:06] <genii> matthew Yes. It may have hung without removing the lockfile if an ap-get etc was terminated early
[08:06] <matthew> ok, here goes nothing...
[08:06] <genii> I'll be around still :)
[08:07] <laalitha> genii can you tell me a good network manager
[08:07] <laalitha> which will handle both lan and wlan
[08:07] <laalitha> connections
[08:07] <rizal_> !mp3
[08:07] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:08] <genii> laalitha Mostly I use more diagnostic stuff like nmap
[08:08] <genii> laalitha but you may find it suitable
[08:09] <laalitha> I'll try that
[08:09] <genii> knmap is the KDE package for it
[08:09] <matthew> k, I'm back up...
[08:09] <matthew> gonna try the reconfig now...
[08:09] <genii> matthew wb :) OK, with the alternate driver right?
[08:10] <matthew> oh, and for as long as I could see, my cpu was pegged 100%. What's that all about? You know what? Never mind. Lets get this done first. lol
[08:10] <genii> fglrx
[08:10] <xsacha> http://www.google.com/trends?q=beryl%2C+kubuntu  lol
[08:11] <genii> 100% cpu looks like some memory leak
[08:11] <chupie> ok, well fixed the smb prob.. ok.. now another question.. lol, how could i make it so my network drives are mounting when i boot?
[08:11] <xsacha> looks like an infinite loop :O
[08:11] <matthew> ok, restarting xserver...hold onto your boots
[08:11] <genii> chupie you can add a fstab entry with filesystem type as smbfs
[08:12] <chupie> kk.. well i noticed when i mounted them just a second ago.. even tho i did have the password option.. it asked me again for the password
[08:13] <genii> chupie If you don't mind some insecurity you could purposely set the passwords to be null
[08:13] <chupie> yeah, i was just thinking about doing that
[08:13] <Adlai> glxinfo gets me "unable to open display (null)", anyone know?
[08:13] <genii> eg: smbpasswd -n username
[08:14] <xsacha> Adlai: DISPLAY=:0.0 glxinfo
[08:14] <genii> adlai no X server window it can use
[08:14] <Adlai> connection refused by server
[08:14] <genii> adlai is this a remote X session?
[08:14] <Adlai> no
[08:15] <Adlai> it's a fairly fresh local install
[08:15] <genii> adlai try sudo before the command then
[08:15] <Adlai> I'm root
[08:15] <xsacha> ahhh
[08:15] <xsacha> dont run it as root
[08:15] <genii> It should not let you have an X session as root by default
[08:15] <xsacha> run it as user you logged in with
[08:15] <genii> unless you messed with the xdm
[08:16] <Adlai> mmkay
[08:16] <Adlai> weird
[08:16] <Adlai> works fine that way on gentoo
[08:16] <matthew> genii, ok, I rebooted with the fglrx drivers...it froze, so I restarted, and then reconfigged to use the ati driver...
[08:17] <matthew> fglrx is just not working...
[08:17] <genii> matthew Well, it is the driver for the later series so I thought it likely wouldn't but good to try anyways
[08:17] <Adlai> matthew, what have you done so far?
[08:18] <genii> matthew What slot is the rage128?
[08:18] <xsacha> a rage128?
[08:18] <matthew> genii, agp
[08:19] <xsacha> with fglrx drivers :S
[08:19] <laalitha> genii knmap is not available in apt-get
[08:20] <genii> laalitha Are you using kubuntu or regular ubuntu?
[08:20] <matthew> xsacha, I know, I know
[08:20] <xsacha> use r128 driver for rage128? unless there is some really ancient ati driver that supports rage128 :S the lowest on proprietary ati supported list is 8500
[08:20] <genii> matthew Found some stuff relating to this and version-specific stuff of Xorg and this card
[08:20] <Adlai> anyone know why desktop switching would be very very slow?
[08:21] <Adlai> it takes forever to switch, and then takes even longer to draw the window decorations
[08:21] <laalitha> kubuntu
[08:21] <Adlai> this is a fairly fresh install
[08:21] <DaveQB> Adlai  out of memory...using swap
[08:21] <laalitha> I downloaded the tar file knmap 2-1
[08:21] <Adlai> ...I have a gig of memory
[08:21] <DaveQB> Adlai check you memory and swap usage
[08:21] <Adlai> would it really be using that much?
[08:21] <DaveQB> oh
[08:21] <DaveQB> something might be eating it all up
[08:21] <Adlai> yeah it's not even close
[08:22] <genii> laalitha Hmm OK. Apt-cache search knmap on my box shows it available. You may need to expand your /etc/apt/sources.list to include more repositories
[08:22] <Adlai> I have over half a gig left unused, and no swap being used
[08:22] <DaveQB> Adlai that is odd then
[08:22] <laalitha> how do I do that
[08:22] <Adlai> I know
[08:22] <genii> matthew The url for this info (bsd specific but applicable) http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-multimedia/2005-May/002111.html
[08:22] <Adlai> I enabled direct rendering, and did the Option "XaaNoOffscreenPixmaps" in xorg.conf, which is supposed to fix a slow 2D system
[08:23] <matthew> laalitha, genii, how would I use the r128 driver? I found a site that purported to tell me how to do it...but I ended up with a dead xserver.
[08:23] <DaveQB> i have never had to do that...I cant think of what else to try off the top off my head
[08:23] <matthew> checking the url now, genii
[08:24] <genii> laalitha To include all available repositories, open up that file in kwrite or nano etc and remove the # from before all the lines starting with word "deb"
[08:25] <laalitha> ok
[08:25] <genii> laalitha then do an apt-get update   then do an ap-cache search knmap and see if it appears
[08:25] <Adlai> any idea about slow desktop switch and redraw of window decorations?
[08:26] <matthew> brb
[08:26] <genii> matthew Basically the 6.8.2 X distro has no 3D for rage128 is the gist
[08:26] <laalitha> what r all these packages that install when I do an apt-get update
[08:26] <HymnToLife> laalitha, nothing installs when you run apt-get update
[08:26] <genii> laalitha the apt-get update is getting all the lists of available packages you will be able to install
[08:27] <HymnToLife> apt-get jus download the list of installable packages
[08:27] <laalitha> ok thanks
[08:27] <laalitha> I got a lot to learn
[08:28] <laalitha> ok knmap is installing
[08:28] <laalitha> thanks genii
[08:28] <kokje> any plans of porting OOo 2.1 to dapper ?
[08:28] <genii> laalitha No probs
[08:29] <RoKFiT> does anyone know when 64bit users will see the flash plugin?
[08:30] <ikirt> there isn't one
[08:30] <ikirt> use 32 bit
[08:30] <HymnToLife> RoKFiT, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[08:30] <ikirt> and get flash9 beta
[08:30] <RoKFiT> on fedora i was having some problems with firefox closing lost with the 32bit version of the plugin
[08:31] <ikirt> i just had the same issue @ work with fc6 64bit
[08:31] <ikirt> i have to install 32bit ff and install flash9 beta plugin
[08:31] <RoKFiT> and it fixed?
[08:31] <zahnza> i have a wireless card (awll3026) and it works fine when i am close to the router but when i go to another room i can't connect, the computer can see the accespoint fine, but hangs when it tries to connect, i know that it's no out of the range for the card because it workd fine on the same machine running windows
[08:31] <ikirt> yup
[08:31] <zahnza> anyone here have any ideas?
[08:31] <ikirt> watched youtube quite a bit last night
[08:32] <RoKFiT> i'll give it a try
[08:32] <RoKFiT> where did you get the beta from
[08:32] <matthew> genii, ok, I ate some sweet and sour pork and read the page...I'm downloading the r128.tgz now...
[08:32] <ikirt> one sec let me see if i can find it
[08:33] <HymnToLife> RoKFiT, http://labs.adobe.com/
[08:33] <RoKFiT> are you using 32bit firefox?
[08:33] <zahnza> i have check all of the wifi docs on the ubuntu website with no luck
[08:33] <laalitha> genii I am getting this "Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166"
[08:33] <genii> matthew give me some time to look at the docs
[08:33] <laalitha> I launched by typing knmap on the prompt
[08:33] <genii> laalitha For nmap??
[08:33] <laalitha> yeah
[08:34] <laalitha> here's the whole error
[08:34] <genii> laalitha Try opeing it from inside KDE instead, it should now be there
[08:34] <ikirt> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/
[08:34] <matthew> okey doke...
[08:34] <ikirt> yes 32bit firefox
[08:34] <RoKFiT> oh you do
[08:35] <RoKFiT> see i want to use 64, because 32 kept closing with flash player
[08:35] <ikirt> there isn't a flash player for 64bit firefox
[08:35] <laalitha> ok it works fine
[08:35] <zahnza> does anyone know if there is a command or graphic utility that would allow me to boost the signal stength of the card?
[08:35] <genii> matthew I think that may be a bsd-specific hack so don't install anything until I figure it out first LOL
[08:35] <Adlai> RoKFiT, check out the flashblock plugin for firefox
[08:35] <RoKFiT> how and where
[08:35] <ikirt> flashblock ?
[08:35] <Adlai> addons.mozilla.org
[08:35] <chupie> well back with another question.. what is a way to burn dvd videos?
[08:36] <ikirt> he's trying to get flash to work
[08:36] <Adlai> it uses javascript to prevent firefox from loading flash unless you tell it to
[08:36] <Adlai> fixed a problem I had where some websites would force tons of flash to open and bog down firefox
[08:36] <ikirt> first he needs to get the proper flash plugin installed
[08:36] <Adlai> but yes, RoKFiT, you won't get flash working with 64-bit firefox
[08:37] <RoKFiT> oh
[08:37] <RoKFiT> so remove firefox and install 32bit?
[08:37] <Adlai> you want firefox-bin
[08:37] <ikirt> yes
[08:37] <RoKFiT> what is firefox-bin
[08:37] <ikirt> download it from their site
[08:37] <ikirt> just 32bit version
[08:37] <genii> laalitha :)
[08:37] <matthew> genii, not gonna do anything I don't understand that I don't clear with you first...
[08:37] <zahnza> anyone have a suggestion?
[08:38] <matthew> genii, besides, the .tgz file isn't downloading...
[08:38] <genii> matthew I'm looking for a debian-specific fix
[08:38] <RoKFiT> Adlai: do you know when a 64bit version of the plugin will be available?
[08:38] <matthew> sweet!
[08:38] <matthew> I can't believe how much "work" this has turned into...
[08:39] <matthew> lol, like the name change!
[08:40] <laalitha> genii how do I manage my lan and wlan with knmap? It seems like a port scanning software.
[08:41] <Adlai> RoKFiT, nope
[08:41] <zahnza> does anyone here even care about trying to help?
[08:41] <Adlai> don't think anyone does
[08:41] <zahnza> \
[08:41] <Adlai> don't worry about it though, 64-bit ff isn't all that faster anyway
[08:41] <RoKFiT> someone told me about june before when vista comes out
[08:41] <RoKFiT> okay how do i install 32bit firefox
[08:42] <matthew> nope, coming out in January;  I work for a Computer Building/Repair shop
[08:42] <RoKFiT> from adept_manager?
[08:42] <acatalan> I have two users, one the sound works, kmix says its using ALSA.  the user where the sound doesnt work, the kmix hardware link says its using ALSAOSS.  where is this damn setting?
[08:42] <matthew> !language
[08:42] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:42] <acatalan> heh, sure.
[08:42] <matthew> I get your frustration though
[08:43] <matthew> I've been trying to enable 3d acceleration for my "ancient" video card for the last 6 hours or so.
[08:43] <matthew> I've had to rebuild my xserver about 10 times...
[08:43] <RoKFiT> i believe you need drivers
[08:43] <genii-researchin> matthew I found some stuff but it ain't for the faint of heart
[08:43] <matthew> I'll take it!
[08:44] <genii> matthew http://www.reades.com/radeon.html
[08:44] <matthew> genii, do you understand the steps involved?
[08:44] <genii> Well it's pretty straight-forward but involves some compiling which a lot of ppl don't normally need to be doing
[08:44] <laalitha> zahnza I from my experience there's no sw to boost the signal strength
[08:44] <matthew> genii, I know how to compile.
[08:45] <matthew> more or less
[08:45] <matthew> compiled the kernel a couple of times...
[08:46] <genii> matthew The problem is that the r128 drivers which have good 3D support are basically embedded within the GATOS stuff which is tv-card support.
[08:46] <matthew> GATOS? is that another distro?
[08:46] <genii> matthew no, gatos is a set of drivers and applications which let you use the TV functions for instance of all-in-wonder cards
[08:47] <RoKFiT> what was that plugin i just installed?  flashbox
[08:47] <RoKFiT> what is that
[08:47] <Adlai> RoKFiT, flashblock
[08:47] <laalitha> %c4 <zahnza> you might want to check your driver for the card
[08:47] <RoKFiT> flashblock, what is that
[08:47] <matthew> genii, oh. so, what's the problem? I've got 80 gigs of free space...
[08:47] <Adlai> it blocks flash on a page and puts an icon there that you can click to see the flash item
[08:47] <Adlai> it won't fix your problem; I misunderstood your problem at first
[08:47] <RoKFiT> oh
[08:47] <RoKFiT> how do i remove it?
[08:47] <Adlai> you want to do something along the lines of apt-cache search firefox
[08:48] <Adlai> and then look for one that says firefox-bin or some such
[08:48] <genii> matthew so it works out that to get the best ati driver which has gl and 3D support involves getting the ati.2 driver installed from the gatos stuff
[08:48] <Adlai> remove it by using firefox's own addon thingy
[08:48] <Adlai> tools > addons
[08:48] <RoKFiT> well thanks for the help, and bbl.
[08:48] <genii> matthew Well if you have some time and don't mind getting your hands dirty I'd try the solution found there then :)
[08:48] <matthew> genii, oh, so I need to install the GATOS "suite", then that will have the drivers for my card?
[08:48] <zahnza> thanks anyway, oh yeah and fuck you mathew and genii
[08:49] <genii> matthew yes, exactly
[08:49] <matthew> ok, I'll give it a shot...
[08:49] <matthew> thanks a lot!
[08:49] <genii> matthew I'll be around maybe an hour if you want to check in ane lemme know how it goes :)
 you may want to check this out   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=295843
[08:51] <matthew> ok...I'm downloading the kernel source right now...might as well get the sweet hotness...
[08:52] <genii> Matthew Supplementary page for additional help and info : http://gatos.sourceforge.net/ati.2.php
[08:53] <matthew> genii, seriously, you rock!
[08:53] <genii> matthew Well I'm stubborn when it comes to figuring out why things don't work how they are supposed to LOL
[08:55] <matthew> yeah. You kicked some major butt tonight. Seriously, this is how the Linux movement stays in motion, it's because of people like you who are willing to sacrifice hours of time to get the right answers.
[08:56] <genii> Well there have been many times I thought some issue had no solution but with some help it was eventually solved.
[08:56] <genii> One of the best things about linux mentality is that you need to know to some degree how the insides work
[08:58] <genii> I need to go make a coffee-run but will return :)
[08:58] <matthew> genii-away, I'll be here
[09:02] <genii-away> If you want to make a deb package from the source perhaps look here as well: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51003&highlight=checkinstall
[09:02] <genii-away> OK, really really getting coffee now :) afk
[09:03] <crazyphire> can anyone help me get my wireless connection setup on kubuntu?
[09:04] <crazyphire> it says connection failed even though all the info is correct
[09:05] <crazyphire> i've been trying to find good compatibility with my laptop and linux, a little suppot would be much appreciate
[09:05] <crazyphire> been at it for a few days now
[09:07] <matthew> genii-away, I'm having some trouble here, probably cause the ati guys are using 2.4.17 and I'm using 2.6.18...I can't find "Console Drivers" directory anywhere in the Linux Kernel Configuration.
[09:10] <matthew> I'm going to download the 2.4.17 kernel and do it their way...
[09:11] <matthew> o...k...I'm not able to d/l the 2.4 kernel...how odd.
[09:12] <crazyphire> matthew are you familiar with linux?
[09:12] <matthew> ok, nvm, got it working
[09:13] <matthew> yes, I am moderately capable. Why do you ask?
[09:13] <crazyphire> can you help me with my wireless network?
[09:13] <crazyphire> it wont connect even though the settings are correct
[09:13] <sampo-> No, if you dont tell what it's wrong with it
[09:13] <matthew> crazyphire, uh, ok...as far as I can
[09:13] <crazyphire> i wish i knew
[09:13] <matthew> !anyone
[09:13] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[09:13] <matthew> lol
[09:13] <crazyphire> it simply says Connection failed.
[09:14] <crazyphire> it won't even connect when there is no WEP security
[09:14] <matthew> can you see the network?
[09:14] <crazyphire> its strange because it seems to detect my network card
[09:14] <crazyphire> yeah
[09:14] <matthew> ok...gimme a sec
[09:14] <sampo-> Did it work before ?
[09:15] <matthew> crazyphire, I'm assuming that you're using Wireless Lan Assistant
[09:15] <matthew> ?
[09:15] <crazyphire> yes
[09:15] <sampo-> -->
[09:15] <crazyphire> it has worked on regular Ubuntu just fine, and XP
[09:15] <luca> hi everyone
[09:15] <matthew> make sure that you don't have your eth0 enabled under System Settings->Network Settings
[09:15] <matthew> genii-caffeinate, hey, I'm gonna try it with the 2.4 kernel, since the 2.6 is so different...
[09:16] <genii> matthew Well that is a bit much
[09:16] <crazyphire> it is disabled
[09:16] <genii> matthew I dunno if I'd downgrade from a 2.6 just so my video card would do GL LOL
[09:16] <crazyphire> ath0 is enabled
[09:16] <crazyphire> my wireless interface
[09:16] <matthew> crazyphire, is your eth0 enabled?
[09:17] <crazyphire> no, its disabled
[09:17] <matthew> genii, why not?
[09:17] <crazyphire> and i cant select either of them
[09:17] <matthew> crazyphire, are you using dhcp for the wireless?
[09:17] <crazyphire> yes
[09:17] <genii> matthew well, you'll lose the udev features for one thing
[09:17] <matthew> crazyphire, you need to be administrator for that
[09:17] <crazyphire> matthew: i am admin
[09:17] <luca__> umph crashed
[09:17] <matthew> genii, at the risk of sounding ignorant, what's udev?
[09:17] <matthew> crazyphire, hmmm
[09:17] <crazyphire> i entered root password before using wireless lan ass.
[09:18] <genii> matthew Basically udev creates all the stuff in your /dev directory each boot depending on what actual stuff you have
[09:18] <matthew> crazyphire, no, you need to go to the Kmenu -> System Settings->Network Settings
[09:18] <luca__> anyone using intel graphics cards here?
[09:18] <matthew> genii, like if I swap in hardware?
[09:19] <crazyphire> luca__ im in network settings right now
[09:19] <genii> matthew previously with 2.4 and below there were a bunch of static dev entries
[09:19] <genii> matthew Yup
[09:19] <matthew> genii, I'm beginning to see where you're coming from...maybe I'll just get a cheap-o nvidia and call it good
[09:19] <matthew> ok, 2.4 is off...I give up, I just want to sleep...huuuuuuuh!
[09:19] <crazyphire> okay, kubuntu has seemed to configure itself finally
[09:19] <genii> matthew Well, I'm stubborn....give me some time to see if I can find a binary for your kernel version of ati.2
[09:19] <luca__> crazyphire  am trying to substitute the default i810 graphcis driver with the i915
[09:20] <matthew> genii, I love you.
[09:20] <matthew> the end
[09:20] <genii> matthew what kernel? 2.6-10 or so?
[09:20] <matthew> 2.6.48-10-generic
[09:20] <matthew> default w/ edgy
[09:20] <luca__> crazyphire that's because the i810 does not support suspend, which means it is useless for me :-P
[09:21] <crazyphire> luca__ what in the world are you talking about?
[09:21] <matthew> crazyphire, your wireless is working?
[09:21] <crazyphire> matthew: yes
[09:21] <matthew> crazyphire, you responded to luca__ instead of me...I think.
[09:21] <crazyphire> what does it mean when a popup error says "connection to sound server failed. cpu overload" or something
[09:21] <matthew> crazyphire, cool, but watch out. My wireless used to flip on and off, seemingly randomly
[09:22] <luca__> crazyphire, matthew, probable ;)
[09:23] <genii> matthew OK one of the earlier links has the way to put in the binaries http://gatos.sourceforge.net/ati.2.php   I would likely untar it somewhere safe first tho then copy over the ati.2 file
[09:23] <ddj> Question to all: Does anyone here experience keyboard lockups with PS/2 keyboards? e.g. You boot the system and the PS/2 keyboard does not react at all in Ubuntu (no problem with other OS) ... ?
[09:24] <genii> ddj Perhaps ensure the mouse and keyboard are not swapped
[09:24] <crazyphire> :| my computer just powered of
[09:24] <crazyphire> off
[09:24] <crazyphire> is kubuntu stable?
[09:24] <ddj> @genii: as I said, no problems with other OS
[09:25] <ddj> @crazy: maybe your computer just got too hot?
[09:25] <genii> ddj In some bios especially dell/compaq/hp as well, there is an option for ps2 port for things like auto/off/on  etc. For some *nix it must be explicitly on and not auto
[09:26] <ddj> @genii: How come that other distros (SuSE 9.2, SUSE 10.0, SUSE 10.2, Ubuntu 6.06 "Dapper", etc.) have no problems with it?
[09:26] <crazyphire> "sound server fatal error. cpu overload, aborting"
[09:26] <crazyphire> anyone know what that means?
[09:26] <matthew> genii, ok, it looks like I need XFree 4.3.0?
[09:26] <ddj> @genii: I only experience these lockups with 6.10 "Edgy" ... pretty weird.
[09:27] <genii> ddj Well, yeah that is odd. Can't hurt to check your bios for something like that tho.
[09:27] <genii> matthew What ver right now?
[09:27] <matthew> They used 4.3.0 but when I apt-get install XFree, I get nothing...
[09:28] <matthew> genii, couldn't find package XFree
[09:28] <crazyphire> anyone??
[09:28] <genii> matthew OK gimme a minute
[09:28] <spitwise> Xorg?
[09:28] <matthew> XFree86, maybe?
[09:28] <spitwise> is Xfree still used?
[09:28] <Adlai> why would you want xfree86?
[09:28] <matthew> That's the problem with using old hardware...you have you use old software...
[09:28] <spitwise> crazyphire: what processes are/were running?
[09:29] <matthew> Adlai, Because I need it to install ati.2 binaries
[09:29] <crazyphire> none i just booted my computer
[09:29] <Adlai> ugh
[09:29] <spitwise> i thought the switch was made to xorg
[09:29] <Adlai> count me out
[09:29] <Adlai> night all
[09:29] <spitwise> cpu overload right after boot?
[09:29] <matthew> night
[09:29] <crazyphire> yeah
[09:29] <crazyphire> "sound server fatal error. cpu overload, aborting"
[09:29] <matthew> crazyphire, if you were using windows, I would say virus...but as it stands...
[09:29] <spitwise> well 'sound' seemsto be the keyword here ..
[09:30] <crazyphire> i dont think sound is working
[09:30] <crazyphire> i dont hear anything when i boot or login, should i?
[09:30] <spitwise> what os?
[09:30] <crazyphire> kubuntu
[09:30] <matthew> crazyphire, when you login, yes.
[09:30] <genii> I need to remember where X drivers are in debian distros
[09:31] <matthew> crazyphire, it's a sort of "doo doo doo" sound.
[09:31] <matthew> genii, /etc/X11?
[09:31] <crazyphire> eerg, its so hard to find a linux OS compatible with toshiba sattelite
[09:32] <genii> matthew I'm ssh'd into a debian box of mine from this XP machine to try and track it
[09:32] <spitwise> }:/
[09:32] <genii> matthew I think it needs to be a lib dir of some sort
[09:32] <matthew> genii, you kick total ass.
[09:32] <matthew> I know, I know.
[09:32] <matthew> !language | matthew
[09:32] <ubotu> matthew: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:33] <spitwise> heh ubotu
[09:33] <buz> gnomefreak: just thought i'd share how i fixed my kernel booting issues: building the initramfs with yaird did the job
[09:33] <crazyphire> can anyone help me setup my sound card? :s
[09:33] <netmonk> please, forgive my ignorant question. I use Kubuntu on a laptop and noticed it loads lvm, mdmadm-raid and evms. Do I need those?
[09:34] <buz> (i did report that ;-)
[09:34] <genii> matthew Crap I forgot that box is using CLI only LOL
[09:34] <ddj> @netmonk: probably not ....
[09:34] <matthew> lol
[09:35] <genii> matthew You have any contents in /usr/lib/X1 ?
[09:35] <matthew> want to ssh into mine? I'll install ssh server...
[09:35] <genii> matthew You have any contents in /usr/lib/X11 ?
[09:35] <matthew> when I cd there and ls I get this: config  locale  rgb.txt  x11perfcomp  xkb  xsm
[09:35] <netmonk> ddj, is there a way that I can check if i'm using them?
[09:35] <genii> matthew Basically you could find where the driver needs to go from something like locate vesa|grep X11|more
[09:36] <matthew> h/p
[09:36] <matthew> h/o
[09:37] <spitwise> docs say the sound card on a toshiba satellite works 'out of box'
[09:37] <ddj> @netmonk:  Unless you setup some logical volumes on your laptop you probably are definitely not using them. During boot the OS probably will just do a basic check and then exit from the scripts without actvating anything ...
[09:37] <genii> matthew Most likely somewhere like /usr/share/lib/X11 or similar. lib somewhere in the hierarchy most likely
[09:37] <genii> afk a minute, some other boxes beeping for me
[09:38] <netmonk> ddj, I have 4 partitions + one for swap. I did a basic install of Kubuntu. I suppose I am not using these services...
[09:40] <ddj> @netmonk: Yes, you're probably not using them. It's probably safe to remove them from the boot process .... Might speed things up a little.
[09:40] <netmonk> ddj, thats my idea :)
[09:40] <netmonk> will try now :)
[09:41] <ddj> @netmonk: There is a program called "Boot Manager" or something like that which will remove them from the boot process (point and click). However you should not "apt-get remove" them ... they might have dependencies with other stuff on the system.
[09:41] <matthew> genii, when you're back, I found /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg-video-vesa.list
[09:42] <genii> matthew Please do ls /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/|more    and tell me if it looks like drivers for vesa,ati et al look to be in that dir please
[09:42] <matthew> /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-video-vesa
[09:42] <netmonk> ddj, thank you :)
[09:42] <matthew> h/o
[09:42] <matthew> genii, ls: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/: No such file or directory
[09:43] <matthew> my X11 stuff is stored in /etc/X11, I think...this is what ls gets in there: app-defaults             xorg.conf.20061213201550  xorg.conf.fglrx-0
[09:43] <matthew> cursors                  xorg.conf.20061213202039  xorg.conf.original-0
[09:43] <matthew> default-display-manager  xorg.conf.20061213202838  Xresources
[09:43] <matthew> fonts                    xorg.conf.20061213203141  Xsession
[09:43] <matthew> rgb.txt                  xorg.conf.20061213210804  Xsession.d
[09:43] <matthew> X                        xorg.conf.20061213210846  Xsession.options
[09:43] <matthew> xinit                    xorg.conf.20061213212850  XvMCConfig
[09:43] <matthew> xkb                      xorg.conf.20061213213027  Xwrapper.config
[09:43] <matthew> xorg.conf                xorg.conf.20061213231116
[09:43] <matthew> xorg.conf~               xorg.conf.20061213231511
[09:43] <matthew> sorry about the spam!
[09:44] <genii> matthew OK, got it
[09:44] <genii> matthew I am almost certain the right dir is now /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers
[09:45] <ddj> @geniii ....   /usr/lib/xorg/modules/
[09:45] <genii> it screwed me up because no "X11" search produced a satisfactory result
[09:45] <ddj> I think that's the one you're looking for?
[09:45] <ddj> ah you got it already .... sorry :)
[09:45] <genii> ddj I believe it's the one :)
[09:45] <matthew> genii, ls reveals a driver dir
[09:45] <matthew> I love you ddj
[09:45] <matthew> both of y'all
[09:46] <genii> matthew OK, so if you untarred the stuff from gatos project somewhere safe, copy the ati.2 file from in there to the dir for the drivers
[09:47] <matthew> k, h/o
[09:47] <genii> matthew then of course alter the xorg.conf again, do a dpkg reconfigure for X etc etc... you know the drill by now :)
[09:47] <genii> then glxinfo hopefully will produce a hardware render yes or similar
[09:48] <ayeizajedi> good morning everyone
[09:48] <matthew> I gotta download the gatos stuff again...
[09:48] <LionBG> hello. I have kubuntu LTS but for some reason KDM won't start when i start the computer. I have login first and then run kdm as root. any ideas how i can fix that? already reinstalled kdm - it didn't help
[09:49] <genii> matthew after you get it, untar it in your home dir... then do an updatedb ... then locate ati.2 and it should tell you the exact spot you need to pull it from
[09:50] <matthew> ok...wait. I need the gatos stuff and the ati.2 binary?
[09:51] <genii> matthew ATI-4.3.0-X.i386.tar.gz  is the file. We only need the one binary from it
[09:51] <matthew> ok, sweet
[09:51] <genii> there is a way to extract just the one file but I'm too lazy to scour the man tar page right now LOL
[09:52] <matthew> the one for X.org 6.7.0?
[09:52] <genii> xorg 6.8.2
[09:52] <genii> (should be)
[09:52] <matthew> genii, this is where I am: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=12629
[09:54] <genii> OK type in X-version
[09:54] <genii> and see what ver you have
[09:54] <anyday> has anyone had any problems with the x1300 and ubuntu?
[09:54] <genii> anyday Yes it's a common problem
[09:54] <genii> anyday some help can be found here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=190133
[09:55] <anyday> ive been checking the internet for 2 days and havnt seen a fix , you know if there is one?
[09:55] <genii> anyday The instructions are for the older series but it applies
[09:55] <matthew> X-version x-version x --version not recogged, X --version not valid option
[09:56] <genii> matthew LOL OK gimme a minute
[09:56] <matthew> bleagh, I feel so useless...
[09:57] <genii> It used to be you could do X -V but every distro has to be different
[09:58] <matthew> genii, X -version gives me X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.1.1
[09:59] <genii> OK so the tar for 6.7.0 should be fine
[10:00] <matthew> ok, d/l'ing now
[10:01] <ayeizajedi> is there a howto/guide on installing the latest ati driver and getting laptop displays working correctly ?
[10:01] <kavit> I upgraded to Edgy on my toshiba tecra a4 and now my cd rom drive is not being detected
[10:01] <kavit> any ideas?
[10:02] <kavit> Edgy is a hater :(
[10:03] <matthew> genii, I d/l'ed it, untarred into /home/matthew/ati
[10:03] <matthew> onto the ati.2?
[10:03] <genii> ayeizajedi the link I gave for anyday should help you as well
[10:03] <matthew> oh wait, that was the ati.2...
[10:03] <matthew> I need sleep LOL
[10:04] <genii> matthew OK, so now somewhere in that dir structure is the ati.2 file/driver. So updatedb && locate ati.2
[10:04] <matthew> genii, what is updatedb?
[10:05] <genii> matthew then cp/wherever/it/is/ati.2 / /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers
[10:05] <genii> updatedb updates the lists of what is where on your file system
[10:05] <genii> if you don't updatedb after you change or add a lot of stuff it will give you a cached answer of what files are where
[10:06] <matthew> ok...did it...but I got no output...
[10:07] <genii> what, locate ati.2 produced no result??
[10:07] <genii> bleh
[10:07] <eMaX_> remoin
[10:07] <matthew> genii, yeah. exactly. I ran sudo locate ati.2 by itself to confirm...I cd'ed into the /home/matthew/ati folder
[10:08] <matthew> and I ran locate w/o sudo; same result
[10:08] <matthew> or lack thereof
[10:08] <genii> matthew ok, so in the dir of /home/matthew/ati then do: ls -R *|grep ati|more   and see if that produces a result
[10:08] <matthew> README.ati.6.7.0
[10:09] <eMaX_> anyone here has experiences w/ hotswapping from the drivebay in an ibm laptop?
[10:09] <genii> matthew Well, perhaps read it to see if it's enlightening in any way LOL
[10:10] <matthew> lol
[10:10] <matthew> would you like me to pastebin it?
[10:11] <matthew> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36965/
[10:12] <genii> OK good :) I am also going back to the sourceforge site shortly to d/l the file and then untar it here on the XP box to see what the hell is in it
[10:12] <kavit> When I try and mount my cdrom i get this
[10:12] <kavit> mount: special device /dev/scd0 does not exist
[10:12] <matthew> I found a .so file entitled r128_dri
[10:12] <matthew> roflmfao
[10:12] <kavit> after I upgraded to edgy
[10:13] <kavit> hal-device doesnt list the cdrom drive at all either
[10:13] <kavit> its all gone fubar... any ideas?
[10:13] <wombat_> Hi all
[10:14] <genii> matthew did you download  	ATI-6.7.0-exp1.i386.tar.gz   ?
[10:14] <ddj> kavit: you have a SCSI or USB cdrom ??
[10:14] <matthew> genii, yessir
[10:15] <wombat_> can anyone help me get my web cam to work with Kopete?
[10:15] <matthew> go into /liib/modules/dri to look at that file I found.
[10:15] <matthew> /lib/modules/dri
[10:15] <genii> ok ...AFK, untarring and examining the file
[10:16] <kavit> ddj: it is a tecra a4 laptop with SATA hdd and cd
[10:17] <kavit> ddj: it was working fine with dapper and sarge before that
[10:17] <genii> matthew Yup, thats the only one it can be
[10:17] <matthew> move it to..../usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers?
[10:18] <ddj> @KAVIT:  What does /etc/fstab say ?
[10:18] <genii> If there is a subdir there of dri put it there, otherwise yes
[10:18] <matthew> not able to paste there...chmod 777?
[10:18] <matthew> chown matthew?
[10:18] <genii> matthew just sudo cp it  :)
[10:18] <kavit> ddj: /dev/scd0       /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[10:19] <matthew> wow, really need sleep. I'm sorry
[10:19] <matthew> I just laughed uncontrollably...I'm losing it...
[10:19] <genii> heh :)
[10:19] <genii> At least you can still laugh
[10:19] <anyday> thanks for the link on the x1300 info, still did not resolve the problem though
[10:20] <genii> anyday :( sorry to hear
[10:20] <ddj> @KAVIT:  Change /dev/scd0 no to:  /dev/scd
[10:20] <ddj> @KAVIT:  Then try again ...
[10:20] <kavit> ddj: ok... i'll give that a shot
[10:20] <matthew> ok, did it
[10:20] <matthew> dpkg config?
[10:21] <anyday> i can get the module loaded fine and rendering says its running but the 2d performance is really really bad and whenever i run glxgears my system hangs
[10:21] <genii> matthew OK so now change xorg.conf to make the driver r128_dri then dpkg reconfigure etc
[10:21] <matthew> ok...h/o
[10:21] <kavit> ddj: mount: special device /dev/scd does not exist
[10:22] <ddj> @KAVIT .... hmmm .... did you check the system logs? Maybe the device is called something else now?
[10:22] <kavit> ddj: hal-device doesnt find a CDROM drive at all.... somehow my cdrom drive is no longer being detected
[10:22] <kavit> ddj: dmesg reveals no cdrom at all
[10:22] <ayeizajedi> thanks genii
[10:23] <genii> anyday what does glxinfo report for the line reading "hardware renderer" or similar?
[10:23] <anyday> ah would have to reboot
[10:23] <ddj> @KAVIT:  hmm .... try this als root:   lsmod | grep "cd"
[10:23] <genii> ayeizajedi did yu resolve your issue?
[10:23] <matthew> genii, you know, I was looking around in /usr/lib/modules/drivers, and there doesn't seem to be any ati.so driver either...I think it's in the wrong spot...
[10:24] <ayeizajedi> genii, im just looking at the page now :) will let you know how i fare :)
[10:24] <matthew> genii, nvm
[10:24] <genii> not just /usr/lib.... xorg in there somewhere LOL
[10:24] <kavit> ddj: it has loaded the cdrom driver
[10:24] <kavit> cdrom                  38944  1 sr_mod
[10:24] <kavit> but its not associated to any devices
[10:25] <genii> ayeizajedi OK cool
[10:25] <ddj> @KAVIT:  can you post the entire list please? As root:  lsmod  .... this should give the complete list
[10:26] <matthew> hold on, still working on it...
[10:26] <kavit> ddj: do you want the whole lsmod or just the result of grep ?
[10:26] <kraut> moin
[10:27] <matthew> this is the directory I meant: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers
[10:27] <wombat_> can anyone please help me set up my web cam with Kopete?
[10:27] <ddj> kavit ... the whole thing
[10:27] <genii> matthew That should be the dir
[10:27] <matthew> ok, gotta reboot...
[10:28] <kavit> ddj: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36967/
[10:29] <ddj> @kavit .... as root user, can you please take a look into this file:  /var/log/dmesg .... You could do it like this: gksudo gedit /var/log/dmesg
[10:30] <genii-around> possibly just do sudo dmesg|tail
[10:31] <eMaX> re
[10:31] <kavit> ddj: sure... i will have to use kdesu and kwrite though
[10:31] <eMaX> I just recompiled my kernel and have the following problem: when booting the kernel, he says: Waiting for root filesystem...
[10:31] <ddj> @KAVIT:  kdesu kwrite /var/log/dmesg
[10:31] <ddj> or kate$
[10:31] <ddj> kate
[10:32] <ddj> should work just as well
[10:32] <drakeoutlaw> hi all I just switched to kubuntu from ubuntu. wish I had done it a year ago
[10:32] <ddj> why?
[10:32] <matthew> Ok, I'm back...which driver do I select? the ati one or the fglrx one?
[10:32] <genii-around> matthew the r128_dri one
[10:33] <matthew> genii-around, it wasn't shown in the menu
[10:33] <kavit> ddj: done... although cant find "cdrom" or "cd rom" in the file
[10:33] <ddj> @KAVIT:  ok, let's read that one slowly ....
[10:33] <genii> matthew Try then just r128
[10:33] <matthew> ok...
[10:33] <ddj> @KAVIT:  early on it says stuff about ACPI and so on, right?
[10:34] <kavit> ddj: yes it does
[10:34] <ddj> @KAVIT: OK, press "Page Down" a few times, it should then all of a sudden say things about "CPU0" and stuff like that, right?
[10:35] <matthew> it's still not showing up...
[10:35] <kavit> ddj: yes it does
[10:35] <Amelik> hello...   someone can help me to configure bridging on eth0 and eth1 on  kubuntu?
[10:35] <ddj> @KAVIT: OK, now slowly ... press "Page Down" a few times until it starts talking about "PCI" ...
[10:36] <genii> matthew Try just editing the xorg.conf file manually to replace the driver name there it's currently using with r128_dri then restart the x server
[10:36] <kavit> ddj: ok done
[10:36] <matthew> I don't understand. Find+Replace all instances of ati?
[10:37] <genii> matthew You are using the ati driver right now?
[10:37] <matthew> yes
[10:37] <ddj> @KAVIT: oK, now keep your eyes open and scroll line by line ... it should talk about "Real Time Clock" and then immediately after that it will start talking about disk and disk-like devices the kernel can see ...
[10:37] <genii> matthew OK... so open up the xorg.conf file in an editor and look for a place where it has the display section
[10:37] <ddj> @KAVIT:  in my case it says:  "[17179571.632000]  Real Time Clock Driver v1.12ac"
[10:38] <paulo> hello all
[10:38] <kavit> ddj: yeah the ata2 driver is loaded...
[10:38] <ddj> @KAVIT: and then just a few lines down it starts listing my IDE devices ... I suppose this should be similar to your SATA devices?
[10:38] <genii> matthew That part should also have stuff like what resolutions etc
[10:38] <kavit> ddj: yeah
[10:38] <matthew> oh, ok...sorry I'm so dense tonight
[10:39] <ddj> @KAVIT: what does it say there? Does it list some devices it sees?
[10:39] <genii> matthew the current driver name will be there somewehere in quotes... replace where it says "ati"  with "r128_dri"
[10:39] <matthew> It's actually in the "Device" Section, at least, that's what I see...you want me to paste it on pastebin?
[10:39] <matthew> lol
[10:40] <genii> no no thats the right section :)
[10:40] <matthew> rofl
[10:40] <Atoms> hello. i have a problem, i have two sound cards, onboard and audigy, so when pc starts default is onboard, so in kde default too is onboard, how can i change default card in kde or in system ? i need onboard card too, i can not disable it
[10:40] <kavit> ddj: yeah... it lists some devices... mostly my hard drive partitions... no cd rom... no scd
[10:40] <genii> matthew It's been a while since I had to poke around in there etc so a bit rusty
[10:40] <matthew> much better than me...
[10:40] <ddj> @KAVIT: can you please show me what it says?
[10:41] <matthew> ok, I replaced it...log out and restart X?
[10:41] <genii> yup
[10:41] <matthew> brb I hope
[10:41] <Atoms> anybody ?
[10:41] <kavit> ddj: sure I will post it up in a second
[10:42] <drakeoutlaw> !mailserver
[10:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mailserver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:42] <drakeoutlaw> !mail server
[10:42] <anyday> well i check my xorg log output and im getting this, (EE) Failed to load module "GLcore" (loader failed, 7). could that be my probleM?
[10:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mail server - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:42] <genii> atoms http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=499520
[10:42] <anyday> genii
[10:43] <genii> anyday Hello again :) You may need to put in the GL drivers, yes
[10:43] <kavit> ddj: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36968/
[10:43] <anyday> i tried an apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri and they are already installed
[10:44] <Atoms> genii tnx
[10:44] <genii> anyday gimme a minute and I'll find the one...
[10:44] <genii> atoms no probs
[10:44] <ddj> @KAVIT:  how many disks have you got in your system?
[10:44] <anyday> genii: thx
[10:44] <matthew> genii, back, and it didn't work...had to use the ATI driver...I think the r128 driver is in the wrong dir...
[10:46] <ddj> @KAVIT:  guessing from that output your CD-ROM might be /dev/sdb  ....
[10:46] <genii> matthew It couldn't find it ?
[10:47] <ddj> @KAVIT: there is one line saying: "ata2: dev 0 ATAPI, max UDMA/33"
[10:47] <kavit> ddj: ok i will give it a shot
[10:47] <ddj> @KAVIT ... UDMA/33 is way too slow for a harddisk ... I am sure it must be your CD-ROM that it sees right there ...
[10:48] <genii> matthew crap, scroll for the channel is not long enough... do you remember the filename that resolved the glide3 issue? anyday needs the name of it
[10:48] <Atoms> genii didn't help, i set so my ca0106 sound card is default, but after reboot anyway onboard is default
[10:49] <kavit> ddj: /dev doesn't have anything beginning with sd except sda* no sdb
[10:49] <anyday> libgl1-mesa-glide3?
[10:49] <genii> atoms if you look in /etc/modules, are any sound dribvers in there?
[10:49] <genii> anyday no, not that one :)
[10:49] <matthew> genii, got it...it's libosmesa6
[10:49] <ddj> @KAVIT .... hmmm ....
[10:49] <matthew> I'm moderately sure
[10:49] <genii> matthew thx :)
[10:49] <matthew> How can I know that?
[10:49] <matthew> lol
[10:49] <genii> anyday - try apt-get install libosmesa6-dev
[10:50] <Atoms> genii nop, there are no sound drivers at all
[10:50] <ddj> @KAVIT:  can you give me the output of this command:  ls -al /dev/
[10:50] <anyday> kk lemme try brb
[10:50] <genii> atoms OK then... put in the driver name of the secondary card there so it pre-loads
[10:51] <matthew> looks like that just crashed anyday's box...lol? no, I don't think I will.
[10:51] <genii> heh
[10:51] <genii> I think I'm getting a bit sprerad out here LOL
[10:51] <matthew> yeah, just a little...
[10:52] <genii> matthew OK, so if it can't find the driver... it needs to be where it can find it... if the driver is being found but crashes it...well...back to ati or vesa
[10:53] <genii> matthew When it kicks out of X does it give an informative error msg?
[10:53] <matthew> informative? no. not to me...let me check the syslog...
[10:54] <anyday> genii: ok still getting this: (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so: (EE) Failed to load module "GLcore" (loader failed, 7)
[10:54] <drakeoutlaw> !mail
[10:54] <ubotu> mail is another medium to communicate. Ubuntu mailinglists can be found at http://lists.ubuntu.com
[10:54] <eeos> hi there.
[10:55] <Atoms> genii did't help either :(
[10:55] <eeos> I would like to install ubuntu from the net, on a pc with broadband, where there is already another distribution, but where we do not have floppy or cdrom. ho can I do it? can I do it from the iso?
[10:55] <genii> anyday OK try libglew1
[10:56] <canine_kouji> I need to upgrade my ubuntu, I've the latest 6.10.
[10:56] <genii> atoms :( Sorry, then I'm out of quick ideas
[10:56] <Atoms> ehh
[10:57] <Atoms> ok then i will just disable onboard for now :(
[10:57] <matthew> genii, (I'm almost afraid to ask)...pastebin?
[10:58] <anyday> genii libglew1 is already the newest version.
[10:58] <genii-pastebin> anyday  OK, I'm out of answers for the moment then
[10:58] <anyday> sorry
[10:58] <genii-pastebin> np :)
[10:59] <matthew> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36971/
[11:00] <Narada> hi guys; what do i need to add to sources.lst to get the new java 6
[11:00] <Narada> no response in #ubuntu
[11:01] <matthew> genii-pastebin, there's the full version...had some problems...
[11:01] <matthew> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36971/
[11:02] <eeos> I would like to install kubuntu from the net, on a pc with broadband, where there is already another distribution, but where we do not have floppy or cdrom. ho can I do it? can I do it from the iso?
[11:02] <eeos> I read the documetation, but did not find an appropriate install method
[11:02] <genii-pastebin> matthew Got it... seems like no error relating to the video driver there however...a ll input devices stuff
[11:03] <matthew> hmmm, so, what does that mean?
[11:03] <genii-pastebin> matthew Somewhere in /var/log there is x11 log... if possible pls pastebin it
[11:04] <matthew> ok
[11:06] <genii-pastebin>  like /var/log/Xorg.0.log or similar
[11:07] <matthew> hmmm, can't find it...maybe in a different location?
[11:08] <genii-pastebin> matthew should be under /var/log hierarchy somewhere
[11:08] <Jucato>  /var/log/ then just look for one that starts with Xorg
[11:08] <Jucato> and ends with .log
[11:08] <matthew> I found the one with Xorg...I thought I was looking for X11...sorry
[11:09] <genii-pastebin> I know, I keep thinking X11 all the time instead of xorg too LOL
[11:09] <matthew> genii-pastebin, the one that I already pastebinned is the xorg.0.log file
[11:10] <matthew> did you want something else?
[11:11] <matthew> I'm going to pee, brb
[11:11] <genii-pastebin> matthew with the driver name in xorg.conf at r128_dri, from command-line try to execute startx or startkde then do a tail|dmesg > somefilename.txt then pastebin that
[11:13] <matthew> ok...right now I'm in a gui, so I'm going to have to drop down to level 2...right?
[11:14] <matthew> I know it seems like my intelligence is decreasing, but I just don't want to screw something up this late in the game.
[11:15] <matthew> oh, do it from _inside_ the gui?
[11:15] <matthew> genii-pastebin, ?
[11:15] <genii-pastebin> here..
[11:16] <matthew> oh, do it from _inside_ the gui?
[11:16] <genii-pastebin> matthew no it's fine, it will tell you the session is being used etc
[11:16] <matthew> ok
[11:16] <matthew> lol, read my above posts for the reasoning behind the idiocy
[11:16] <genii-pastebin> the thing is to see if it can find the driver
[11:16] <matthew> ah
[11:17] <matteoroxx> hello all
[11:17] <matteoroxx> i wanna install many packages that i don't find inside universe or multiverse..such as skype, w32codecs, libdvddeccs and more
[11:18] <matteoroxx> and i don't find a valid p.l.f. link...
[11:18] <matteoroxx> which is a good repositories, pls ?
[11:18] <matteoroxx> thanks in advance
[11:19] <matthew> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36973/
[11:19] <matthew> ^startx^
[11:19] <matthew> genii-pastebin, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36973/
[11:20] <eMaX> re
[11:20] <eMaX> well.
[11:20] <genii-pastebin> OK nothing enlightening :(
[11:20] <matthew> bummer
[11:20] <eMaX> in 2.6.19, hotswap works. yet the generic kernel is not so easy to configure - wlan no longer works, and also my soundcard. anyone has an idea when edgy will upgrade to 2.6.18ff?
[11:20] <matthew> want me to try startkde?
[11:20] <genii> matthew in your xorg.conf  in the modules section is dri there?
[11:21] <matthew> lemme look
[11:22] <matthew> genii, under section "Module" it is called, and that's about it
[11:23] <matthew> genii, Load	"dri"
[11:23] <genii> matthew OK good
[11:23] <genii> gimme a minute to go look at a box here
[11:23] <matthew> genii, how long have we been on this thing? like...5 hours..lol, that's dedication
[11:23] <matthew> ok, go for it...
[11:25] <genii> heh :)
[11:26] <genii> OK, please try this... rename the r128_dri.so file to r128dri_drv.so   then put as the driver name in xorg.conf  just  r128dri
[11:26] <matthew> ok
[11:27] <genii> then restart the x server
[11:27] <genii> etc etc
[11:28] <genii> matthew Well I'm stuck on an allnighter doing a batch netboot install of 50 systems anyhow so it's not like time is a problem for me
[11:29] <matthew> wow...what do you do?
[11:29] <genii> I'm a sysadmin for an isp in Toronto, Canada
[11:29] <matthew> nice.
[11:30] <matthew> can't rename the damn thing...tried chowning and chmodding...and I can't remember how to rename...bleagh
[11:30] <matthew> help?
[11:30] <genii> Well we are a non-profit isp so sometimes nice sometimes not LOL
[11:30] <matthew> lol, how does that work?
[11:30] <genii> matthew there is no rename command since between cp and mv unix doesn't need one
[11:30] <matthew> non-profit...so you're kind of transparent between big ISP's and customers?
[11:31] <genii> just do mv oldname newname
[11:32] <matthew> there is to a rename command, but your way is better. thanks.
[11:32] <matthew> too
[11:32] <matthew> try it again?
[11:32] <matthew> startx? or restart xserver?
[11:32] <genii> matthew We basically get bulk discount in PRI lines and subsidised server space in a nice spot and sell at cost with fixed IPs etc
[11:33] <matthew> nice
[11:33] <genii> matthew yeah just retart and if it chokes go in with nano and change it back from r128dri to ati etc etc
[11:36] <matthew> genii, meh, it choked
[11:36] <genii> matthew Bleh
[11:36] <matthew> genii, exactly
[11:37] <genii> well I'm ready to concede
[11:37] <genii> LOL
[11:37] <matthew> any other ideas besides get a good graphics card?
[11:37] <matthew> ok, fine by me
[11:37] <drakeoutlaw> !sql server
[11:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sql server - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:37] <drakeoutlaw> !sql
[11:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sql - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:37] <matthew> just wanted to see if it could be done...
[11:37] <genii> !mysqld
[11:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mysqld - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:37] <matthew> rofl
[11:37] <drakeoutlaw> ! sql
[11:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sql - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:37] <matthew> !lamp
[11:37] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[11:37] <matthew> genii, thanks so much for your time
[11:38] <genii> matthew No prob. Just disappointed it didn't turn out better
[11:38] <matthew> yeah, me too...now I have to spend 40 dollars on ebay...oh well...I work at a computer store, so i can get anything at cost...you want anything?
[11:40] <genii> yeah some old Seagate barracudas LOL
[11:40] <matthew> how big?
[11:40] <genii> 36
[11:40] <matthew> got a box full of them.
[11:40] <genii> SCSI UW
[11:40] <matthew> 36 gigs?
[11:40] <genii> Yeah I have 3 raid5 which need matched 36
[11:40] <matthew> scsi...that might be a little hard...I'll look into it.
[11:41] <matthew> my email is computingsolutionsbiz@gmail.com
[11:41] <matthew> We can go from there...cool?
[11:41] <genii> yup, cool
[11:41] <genii> got your addie saved
[11:41] <matthew> sweet...ttyl
[11:41] <genii> have fun :)
[11:41] <matthew> always!
[11:48] <Agent_bob> !ati
[11:48] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:50] <tye> hi
[11:58] <alyx> have someone experience with the asus A6R notebook?
[12:01] <nata1> whats the best program for KDE to use for webdesign?
[12:02] <nata1> something similiar to dreamweaver.
[12:02] <Jucato> !quanta
[12:02] <ubotu> quanta: web development environment for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 2361 kB, installed size 5700 kB
[12:02] <nata1> thanks Jucato.
[12:09] <Guardian> hi
[12:09] <Guardian> how can i get kde display an icon on the desktop when i plug an usb drive ?
[12:09] <sebbar> it doesn't display it automatically?
[12:10] <Guardian> nop
[12:10] <Guardian> it opens a dialog box, asking what i want to do: open in new window etc ...
[12:14] <sebbar> well if you select open in new window do you have the icon on the desktop afterwards?
[12:15] <Guardian> no
[12:15] <Guardian> and the window does not open :(
[12:16] <genii-around> !register
[12:16] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[12:18] <sebbar> have tried googling for your usb device + linux to see if maybe it's not supported or something like that?
[12:22] <Guardian> same behavior whatever usb device i use
[12:22] <Guardian> works on the next ubuntu dapper
[12:23] <Admiral_Chicago> have you checked in media:\ or /media
[12:23] <nata1> whats the easiest way to install java on kubuntu?
[12:23] <nata1> is there an apt package available to do that?
[12:23] <Guardian> nothing in /media
[12:24] <Jucato> !java | nata1
[12:24] <ubotu> nata1: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[12:47] <kavit> I hate edgy
[12:47] <kavit> :(
[12:47] <Lynoure> kavit: Then use dapper instead?
[12:48] <Hobbsee> use warty instead!
[12:49] <kavit> Lynoure: downgrading is sacrificing a day or two to make sure everything works
[12:50] <kavit> it is a development box of sorts.... I am just hitting every bug
[12:50] <Lynoure> kavit: ok, I thought you meant you hate it enough to want to get rid of it.
[12:50] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: How long is warty still supported?
[12:50] <kavit> Lynoure: I am a masochist of sorts... I enjoy the pain.. i think
[12:50] <Lynoure> I didn't think it was anymore
[12:51] <kavit> Lynoure: don't know how else to explain my dogged persistance
[12:51] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: it's not
[12:51] <Lynoure> kavit: I know that mindset :)
[12:55] <kavit> any developers around?
[12:55] <stamen> hi
[12:56] <stamen> how to make in console the ethernet adapter to work with static IP address
[12:56] <kavit> I shouldn't have moved from next door to jeff waugh... atleast i could bitch to him about bugs
[12:56] <stamen> or DHCP
[12:57] <kavit> stamen: sudo ifconfig ethX up and sudo dhclient ethX where X is the number you want to use
[12:58] <stamen> ok
[12:58] <stamen> and moving from dhclient to static
[12:58] <stamen> ?
[12:58] <stamen> how
[12:59] <kavit> to change the static configuration edit /etc/network/interfaces
[12:59] <stamen> ok, 10x
[12:59] <kavit> no worries matey
[12:59] <stamen> what to write there for static
[01:00] <kavit> iface ethX inet static
[01:00] <kavit> address <insert IP>
[01:00] <stamen> kavit: 10x a lot
[01:00] <stamen> :)
[01:00] <kavit> stamen: there is more
[01:01] <kavit> stamen: you need to supply netmask and gateway
[01:01] <stamen> the other thing I know
[01:01] <stamen> the question was for static and DHCP
[01:01] <kavit> no worries
[01:01] <stamen> :)
[01:06] <peikko> #lahti
[01:10] <drakeoutlaw> what is the default runlevel in kubuntu?
[01:12] <drakeoutlaw> !runlevel
[01:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about runlevel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:12] <drakeoutlaw> !run level
[01:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about run level - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:13] <cpk1> 2-5
[01:13] <cpk1> i think
[01:14] <drakeoutlaw> how would one boot to command line interface?
[01:17] <cpk1> !upstart
[01:17] <ubotu> Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[01:17] <drakeoutlaw> thanx
[01:17] <cpk1> provided you are on edgy
[01:18] <drakeoutlaw> on edge is right :-)
[01:24] <shenmue> hi
[01:25] <shenmue> anyone know how to limit the length the rl_history file of lftp?
[01:28] <buzzy-> Hello,  i have a problem on my hard disk> i have resized some partitions and now windows does not start anymore...if i start linux (ubuntu) it makes the filesystem check...but fails and asks me to do it manually O_O..what can i do?
[01:30] <nata1> is there a apt package available for Mozilla Thunderbird?
[01:30] <crube_> http://parker1.co.uk/satanic/ Wtf? :D
[01:31] <drakeoutlaw> buzzy: You need to boot the machine with your windows xp disk and press R to run the repair console . then do chkdsk
[01:31] <buzzy-> ok drakeoutlaw
[01:32] <drakeoutlaw> buzzy: If that dowsn't fix your windoz partition you will have to reinstall windoz
[01:33] <buzzy-> drakeoutlaw,  ok
[01:33] <buzzy-> drakeoutlaw,  fsck with what params?
[01:33] <buzzy-> *chkdsk
[01:33] <eMaX_> re
[01:33] <eMaX_> how come I cannot remove entries from one given kde menu - system - settings
[01:33] <drakeoutlaw> buzzy: no windows uses chkdsk /p or chkdsk /? to see the help
[01:34] <buzzy-> ok i will try
[01:34] <buzzy-> common
[01:34] <buzzy-> thanks a lot drakeoutlaw
[01:34] <buzzy-> hope it'll solve ;)
[01:34] <buzzy-> bye
[01:35] <drakeoutlaw> buzzy: good luck
[01:36] <eMaX_> someone here can help me restore some default kubuntu system menu entries? for some reason I lost them like user manager, settings, etc.
[01:38] <vge> eMaX_: have you trid updating the menu?
[01:40] <lazarus__> I have samba installed and running, so that I can browse shared folders. Can I mount those shares, so that all programs (not just konqueror, etc) see them as part of the filesystem? Im trying to do it in Disk & Filesystems in system settings, but get errors when I try to enable the networked disk
[01:40] <drakeoutlaw> vge: how do you do update menu?
[01:43] <vge> drakeoutlaw: i think the quickest method is to second click the menu and select "edit menu", from there press the save button and it will update your menu
[01:44] <eMaX_> yes i did now I lost all my previous chagnes :(
[01:44] <Jucato> which menus are you missng?
[02:13] <megapig> How do i change my screen resolution to 1280x800?
go in Control Panel
[02:16] <universi> It's possible install nubuntu security tools on kubuntu? There are repos?
[02:19] <cpk1> define security tools?
[02:20] <universi> tools as sniffers, which i can find for example in Backtrack distro
[02:22] <Lynoure> universi: That's probably a question better targeted to the people who packaged them. But very many sniffers exist in Universe already
[02:24] <universi> i'm not interesting only to sniffers, i have mensioned sniffer for give an example
[02:25] <Lynoure> universi: So you want to know if each and every of them is available for kubuntu? That's really a question best answered on irc.kaffeinenet.com #nubuntu
[02:26] <universi> Lynoure: i try to connect to nubuntu channel but connection appears refused
[02:26] <universi> Lynoure: exacly
[02:26] <Lynoure> universi: you can  do some  apt-cache show:ing for the package names yourself, too
[02:26] <Pensacola> how to start the update notifier in edgy? I accidentaly closed it
[02:27] <universi> i fill "nubuntu" in adept searchbar but 0 results
[02:28] <abattoir> Pensacola: 'kdesu adept_updater'
[02:29] <Pensacola> will it start automatically next time?
[02:29] <abattoir> Pensacola: if you close KDE w/ it running, and have Session restore on, it should
[02:29] <Pensacola> ok thx
[02:29] <Lynoure> universi: That's the distribution name, not the package name, I think
[02:30] <Lynoure> universi: but if you just want kde and nubuntu, you can install kubuntu-desktop on nubuntu, it seems
[02:30] <universi> :D i know lynoure....
[02:31] <universi> but if adding a pakage mirror in my list of adept repos ...?!?
[02:32] <gerula> hi all
[02:32] <universi> :D sorry for my english
[02:34] <xsacha> http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2006Dec/bch20061205000073.htm  65nm  finally! :D
[02:34] <Lynoure> universi: it's your system, no promises, but if you have backups and testdrive the installs with the simulate switch, you should be roughly fine.
[02:36] <Lynoure> universi: If you things work radically well or radically badly, talk about it somewhere so that other people have to a bit less questioning. Good luck and have fun.
[02:38] <universi> bye
[02:45] <trueckl> hoi
[02:46] <trueckl> mh
[02:51] <chih> hello everybody
[02:51] <chih> 
[02:52] <trueckl> N abend ;)
[02:52] <chih> 
[02:52] <chih>  # apt-get update
[02:52] <chih> # apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:53] <chih> 
[02:53] <chih> # apt-get update
[02:53] <chih> apt-get upgrade
[02:53] <chih> 
[02:53] <chih> 
[02:53] <Murchadh> chih, !apt-get update
[02:54] <Jucato> !cn
[02:54] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[02:56] <eMaX_> did I say recently, the kde menu editor sucks... I keep loosing menu entries
[02:57] <Jucato> I did ask which menus disappeared
[02:57] <Jucato> about an hour ago
[02:57] <kavit> any devs or /dev node hackers here?
[02:58] <kavit> I have an issue with a ATAPI DVD RAM drive and edgy
[02:58] <kavit> round 2 :(
[02:59] <eMaX_> well about one hour ago I reinitialized my menu. then i started sorting things again. then when I finally was sort of finished, I looked through and there was one of my submenus missing. a custom created one. and all its icons.
[03:00] <eMaX_> then I see ~/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu and that my icons are there noted as "<deleted>...</deleted>". Now what the F I delete that section manually, but KDE is totally uninterested in rereading that file.
[03:01] <buzzy> hello
[03:01] <buzzy> how can i configura grub menu.lst ?
[03:01] <_kuja_> with a text editor :)
[03:01] <chih> use vi
[03:02] <malik__> guyz why doesnt real player in linux plays anything properly?.............it keeps jerking n skipping video...........any one have any idea?
[03:02] <_kuja_> or kate, if you've never used vi
[03:02] <buzzy> how can i configura grub menu.lst ? i mean what should i write in it?
[03:03] <malik__> is there any way that we can play real video files with kaffeine or Kmplayer??
[03:03] <_kuja_> malik_ real player in linux is essentially a completely differnet player in linux.
[03:03] <_kuja_> malik:might be able to if you have the w32codecs installed.
[03:03] <malik__> i think i have w32codecs installed
[03:03] <buzzy> ok guys i have linux and windows in the same HD (partitioned) now want to configure grub so that i can choose if to boot with win or linux...
[03:03] <_kuja_> buzzy: depends what you want to do to it
[03:04] <buzzy> how do i do that?
[03:04] <buzzy> _kuja_, ?
[03:04] <_kuja_> It probably doesn't help much that I'm lagging 3 seconds, is it?
[03:05] <BluesKaj> Howdy all ! :)
[03:05] <_kuja_> malik: if you have the w32codecs installed, then you're probably pretty much at the limit of what proprietary formats you can play.
[03:05] <shenmue> what's the difference between mplayer and kmplayer?
[03:05] <_kuja_> helluuu
[03:05] <HymnToLife> shenmue, methinks kmplayer is a Qt based GUI for mplayer
[03:05] <_kuja_> kmplayer is a frontend for xine, mplayer, and gstreamer, whereas, mplayer is itself.
[03:05] <HymnToLife> !kmplayer
[03:05] <ubotu> kmplayer: media player for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.3-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 187 kB, installed size 620 kB
[03:07] <_kuja_> mplayer is a cli based video player, with an optionally available gtk frontend. On the other hand, KMPlayer and KPlayer both exist ... and IMO they should switch names ... it'd make more sense.
[03:07] <mindspin_> hi,nearly "out of a sudden" my keyboard went mad,I have to push the keys for about a second toshow up,it works on commandline log in.any idea?
[03:10] <malik__> so that wud mean i ll be never able to play real video files?
[03:11] <malik__> !cli
[03:11] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[03:11] <Jucato> which real video files? .rmvb? .rm?
[03:12] <_kuja_> mindspin: the last time my keyboard went mad, it had hot steamy liquid and marshmallows floating in it :O
[03:12] <malik__> Jucato: it says .rm on the extension
[03:13] <Jucato> malik__: I can play those on kaffeine....
[03:13] <malik__> it plays just fine in win xp
[03:13] <Jucato> w32codecs, I think
[03:13] <malik__> i have w32 codecs
[03:13] <malik__> but recently i installed real playerr u think it might have mucked up the settings?
[03:13] <_kuja_> realplayer in windows != realplayer in linux .... realplayer in linux = helix player with real media playback capabilities
[03:14] <BluesKaj> rm = Real Media = Realplayer ..a pain in the ass
[03:14] <Jucato> I don't think it would have mucked up anything...
[03:15] <_kuja_> ack, looks like I've hit my download limit ...
[03:16] <_kuja_> my lag was 52s there for a couple minutes ... weird
[03:18] <malik__> in the error details it says that xine: demuxer failed to start..........what could that mean?
[03:18] <Narada> hi anyone got home and end keys working in ubuntu in eterm?
[03:18] <_kuja_> it means it was unable to demux the file. Pretty straightforward really.
[03:18] <malik__> i mean there are some files with rm extension kaffeine is playin n then this particular one its not playin
[03:19] <_kuja_> there are 10 or more versions of the rm format. It plays some but not others
[03:19] <malik__> oki then canu plz tell me what does demux means?
[03:19] <_kuja_> I'm pretty sure it has to do with seperating the audio and the video, or some such
[03:21] <_kuja_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demux
[03:21] <malik__> Hmm well for that i miss win xp
[03:22] <eMaX_> re
[03:22] <malik__> but i guess i can live with that
[03:22] <_kuja_> if realplayer's playback is jerky, there is probably something you need to configure. It has quite a few settings that you can change related to playback, especially with regards to streaming playback.
[03:22] <eMaX_> anyone ever used easyubunut? I try to install codecs and he tells me that there is no source for the w32codecs
[03:22] <Jucato> !easyubuntu
[03:22] <ubotu> easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ - For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[03:22] <_kuja_> I've never used easyubuntu, but I know where to get the w32codecs.
[03:23] <_kuja_> http://mplayerhq.hu
[03:23] <malik__> _kuja_: i dont use realplayer for streamin playback .........i like kaffeine coz then i can record the streams too:)
[03:24] <sercik> !mp3
[03:24] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:25] <eMaX_> what's more easyubuntu.freecontrib.org seems to be down
[03:25] <HymnToLife> eMaX_, think of it as a nice opportunity to learn doing stuff by yourself :)
[03:26] <eMaX_> well yes :)
[03:28] <s-toned> I didn't get dapper to work with my Matrox G550DH (only vesa, no xinerama). So I installed breezy again. Is my only option to switch to nvidia to get a working xinerama installation? (Acceleration would be better anyway.)
[03:29] <maniacxs> Hi, I am searching the drop_caches switch in /proc/sys/vm/ on a kubuntu. Not able to find it. any ideas where it disappeared to?
[03:31] <BluesKaj> KDETV crashes X ... clicks off and puts me back into the login page .... any ideas ?
[03:31] <BluesKaj> yeah i know , if it hurts when ya do that ...don't do that  :)
[03:32] <_kuja_> here's my idea: compile it with --enable-debug=full and submit a bug report with a nice backtrace :O
[03:35] <s-toned> Can (should) I mix (with pinning) breezy and dapper like I used to mix debian stable and testing?
[03:41] <Igor_V2>  anybody knows the command to get plugins for totem video player?
[03:41] <fannagoganna_> what?
[03:42] <fannagoganna_> totem is merely a front end to xine and gstreamer
[03:47] <wildchild> hello there is in edgy any package similar to aida32 (I wanna se what hardware I have on conputer...)
[03:48] <angasule> fannagoganna_: how about interface plugins (for example, to search for files)? Probably wasn't what he wanted, but still not a crazy idea
[03:48] <fannagoganna_> are there?
[03:49] <fannagoganna_> totem is pretty integrated into GNOME, I think everything is  done through audiovisual backends or through gnome libraries
[03:57] <BluesKaj> I like the new version of KTorrent quite a lot , but I've enabled the UDP /TCP ports required and files are DLing NP , but I see in the peers DHT column that the hash tables are X"d out ...why
[04:01] <linux_> what is the command to view the processes ?
[04:02] <malik__> what is the latest version of Ktorrent?
[04:02] <HymnToLife> linux_ > ps
[04:02] <HymnToLife> !ktorrent | malik__
[04:02] <ubotu> ktorrent: BitTorrent client for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.3+dfsg1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1155 kB, installed size 5032 kB
[04:03] <angasule> !nvidia > angasule
[04:03] <linux_> yes okey :)
[04:05] <linux_> but there is also a other command, that startup a grafische program
[04:05] <linux_> and you can stop processes
[04:05] <buzzy> sorry people can you say me if i have set well my grub? I would like to be able to boot windows partition. i have pasted fdisk -l and menu.lst content: http://rafb.net/paste/results/mSEqJT58.html
[04:07] <lazarus__> Im trying to mount a network share (following a howto) and it shows up in konqueror as media:/MY DOCUMENTS, but nothing is displayed in the konqueror window. and a messagebox comes up saying feature only available with HAL. Can anybody give me a clue, as I have none. Do I need to install or activate HAL?
[04:08] <troy> do OOo 2.1 packages exist anywhere (other than klik)?
[04:08] <buzzy> can you help me please?
[04:09] <BluesKaj> lazarus__, have you considered samba for network sharing ?
[04:10] <lazarus__> BluesKaj:  yes, Ive got samba installed and working. I just want the shares to be mounted in the filesystem
[04:11] <BluesKaj> lazarus__, is the the network tree listed ok ?
[04:13] <mindspin>  does anyone know how to fix my keyboard issues,I could swear that its relatetd to the hal update today. I have the keys to push about a second each to show up.On commandline login, theres no problem, even typing the password before kde starts up is normal. But after kde is running, my keyboard gets weird
[04:13] <mindspin>  I installed the older working version again with no help, I guess the other two packages have to be "downgraded" to. when if, then how? ;-)
[04:14] <lazarus__> BluesKaj: yes
[04:14] <BluesKaj> are the othe pcs on your network running windows ?
[04:15] <BluesKaj> other
[04:15] <mirshafie> hello. i'm having some problems with kde suddenly slowing down. it works fine for a few hours, sometimes one, sometimes nine, but then it  just goes slomo until i'm kicked back at kdm (unless i logout first). arts seems to crash sometimes when mplayer is running ("cpu overload"), but i don't know if these are related. it all used to work fine on dapper.
[04:15] <lazarus__> BluesKaj: the one other pc is windows/kubuntu dual-boot, currently booted in kubuntu
[04:15] <cebices4> hi
[04:16] <ibert> mirshafie: the gam_server?
[04:17] <mirshafie> ibert: gam_server? don't know what that is
[04:17] <cebices4> dns, routers, server redirection, can you tell me the best channel to ask about this?
[04:17] <mirshafie> oh yeah, forgot to mention top says everyting consumes normal amounts of cpu and ra,
[04:17] <mirshafie> *m
[04:18] <lazarus__> BluesKaj: the howto I followed is at http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_mount_network_folders_on_boot-up.2C_and_allow_all_users_to_read.2Fwrite
[04:18] <ibert> mirshafie: can you log into a vt when kde is slowing down? if yes, login, and type top. if there is the app gam_server running with high cpu usage, than you've found the problem.
[04:19] <DarkWizzard> hello all
[04:19] <DarkWizzard> I need some help
[04:19] <DarkWizzard> My ISP just switched to pppoe
[04:20] <DarkWizzard> and I need to configure it under kubuntu
[04:20] <mirshafie> sorry, it happened again. would be really nice if someone could help me out with this :D
[04:20] <DarkWizzard> I'm under windows now
[04:20] <ibert> mirshafie: try to start  top and you will see which application is slowing down your machine...
[04:20] <ibert> mirshafie: ever tried top?
[04:21] <mirshafie> ibert: of course, and top says everything consumes pretty normal amounts of virt, cpu and mem
[04:21] <vyoman> Hi could someone confirm that there have been a number of eclipse updates recently, or is there something wrong with my installation?
[04:23] <cebices4> how do I redirect a subdomain to a second computer, using another port?
[04:23] <ibert> mirshafie: check top if the problem occurs.
[04:24] <buzzy> guys i booted linux with printer switched off, now i need to print but it is not mounted ...what is the correct way to print? (a webpage from firefox)
[04:24] <vyoman> uhhps wrong channel sorry
[04:25] <mirshafie> ibert: yea, that's what i have done, but it doesn't give me a clue. the only thing that i think could prod me in the right direction is that artsmessage error, that says my cpu overloaded.
[04:25] <cebices4> lets say i use a router with a firewall and a computer with apache listening on port 80, and a domain, and i want to use a second port 81 to redirect a subdomain to another apache server, on a second computer. How can I do this?
[04:26] <malik__> buzzy: try mount -a n see if it works
[04:26] <ibert> mirshafie: ah. I see. so that's another possibility. but actually I don't use arts.
[04:27] <mirshafie> ibert: well, i've always heard arts suck, so i thought maybe i should just try something else. i guess the alternative is alsa? any ideas on how i could switch?
[04:28] <trappist> mirshafie: it depends on your sound card.
[04:29] <trappist> mirshafie: if your sound card does hardware mixing, like an audigy, you don't need anything like arts.  otherwise I recommend using arts.
[04:29] <ibert> mirshafie: system settings -> soudns& multimedia -> deactivate soundsystem
[04:29] <mirshafie> trappist: how do i find out?
[04:29] <trappist> mirshafie: what sound card do you have?
[04:29] <ibert> mirshafie: just try. deactivate arts, and play 2 different sounds. like skyp and amarok
[04:30] <ibert> mirshafie: skype with alsa of course
[04:30] <ibert> mirshafie: or kaffeine and amarok
[04:30] <sercik> hellooooooooooo
[04:30] <malik__> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii  :)
[04:30] <sercik> hi to all great people in this forum
[04:31] <mirshafie> ibert: i'll try it, but the thing is that artsmessage thing occours only rarely, and just sometimes when i run mplayer. usually it doesn't happen, but i still can't help to think there's a connection
[04:31] <sercik> someone here have installed xgl?
[04:31] <mirshafie> trappist: not sure really :)
[04:31] <malik__> !xgl
[04:31] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[04:32] <sercik> malik__: i'll read!
[04:32] <llutz> hi
[04:33] <trappist> mirshafie: lspci | grep Audio
[04:33] <malik__> sercik: i wa chkin for myself, just wantd to know what it is
[04:33] <malik__> im a newbie
[04:34] <sercik> wa chkin?
[04:34] <malik__> was checking:)
[04:34] <malik__> bad habit of sms chat
[04:34] <mirshafie> ibert: i deactivated the sound system, and sound still works (which doesn't make sense to me...)
[04:35] <mirshafie> trappist: this is what i get: 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
[04:35] <ibert> mirshafie: sound works in 2 layers. you can use kde soundsystem if you want, but you don't have to.
[04:35] <trappist> mirshafie: that's what I get too.  did you try playing two sounds at once?
[04:36] <ibert> mirshafie: i have the same hardware and I don't have to use arts
[04:36] <BluesKaj> lazarus__, sorry i'll have to hand off to someone who knows something about HAL ...i have no knowledge of it ..I'm running a small home network setup with this linux box and wife's windows pc ...I don'r recall anything about a HAL  utility in the "mix". :(
[04:36] <ibert> mirshafie: your hardware supports mixing out of the box
[04:36] <monad> hello... after manually installing libdvdcss and compiling mplayer from source, i get several errors when compiling some self-written C programs: ../../types.h: error: duplicate unsigned
[04:37] <kavit> this ----> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37006/   is causing HAL/DBUS to not load/recognise my DVD RAM drive... any ideas?
[04:37] <lazarus__> ok, thanks anyway BluesKaj
[04:38] <monad> any ideas?
[04:38] <mirshafie|> trappist, ibert: well, i tried to run mplayer with amarok playing songs, and i got kicked right back out at kdm
[04:39] <BluesKaj> sounds like this HAL thing is causing probs with others as well
[04:39] <trappist> mirshafie|: well that shouldn't happen, but apparently you do want to use arts
[04:39] <mirshafie|> i usually just mute amarok when i'm using mplayer
[04:40] <trappist> mirshafie|: me too, but this was a test to see if you could play multiple sounds simultaneously.  a real life example would be like listening to amarak, and kopete wants to beep at you.
[04:40] <kavit> as soon as I went from dapper to edgy my dvd ram drive stopped working.... what good is a laptop without an optical drive
[04:41] <RealisticDragon> dvd ram? oO
[04:41] <RealisticDragon> rare to say the least :)
[04:41] <mirshafie|> trappist: ok. i enabled the sound system again. is there any alternatives to arts?
[04:42] <kavit> RealisticDragon: its a Toshiba Tecra A4... not so rare
[04:42] <trappist> mirshafie|: sort of, but arts is what you want if you use kde
[04:42] <mirshafie|> trappist: ok
[04:43] <kavit> RealisticDragon:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37006/  <---------- can you make sense of this??
[04:43] <RealisticDragon> hm says it has a DVD RW drive, not a DVD RAM drive :o maybe they made several versions :)
[04:43] <monad> hello... after manually installing libdvdcss and compiling mplayer from source, i get several errors when compiling some self-written C programs: ../../types.h: error: duplicate unsigned
[04:43] <mirshafie|> trappist: so, could it be that it's something wrong with my soundcard? because it's quite messy, some of the ports don't even work
[04:43] <jontec> how do I upgrade to edgy from dapper.... what package?
[04:43] <RealisticDragon> you need to change the repos you are using jontec - the instructions are on the front page of the kubuntu website
[04:44] <BluesKaj> !Edgy
[04:44] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Release Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes
[04:44] <kavit> RealisticDragon: yeah they did.... but it is an ATAPI device to say the least
[04:44] <kavit> RealisticDragon: it was working reallllllly well with everything else I have used on this machine
[04:45] <RealisticDragon> it is wierd that it has died :/ can you see it from the edgy live CD?
[04:46] <easytiger> hi. when i run sudo iwlist scanning i can see my wireless network, but when i set the networking utility to conect to it it doesnt connect
[04:46] <easytiger> and its a belkin usb wireless and the entwork is not encrypted
[04:47] <kavit> RealisticDragon: I did a dist-upgrade
[04:47] <kavit> RealisticDragon: it worked with sarge :(
[04:47] <usr> hi
[04:47] <RealisticDragon> easytiger: give 'sudo iwconfig <interface> ssid networkname && dhcpcd <interface>' a go and see if it connects
[04:48] <easytiger> will do
[04:48] <RealisticDragon> kavit: i think they changed something with the /dev system in edgy, although i dont know the details exactly :o if it works off the live CD then theres a very good chance its fixable
[04:49] <kavit> Re\
[04:49] <kavit> RealisticDragon: yeah... I need the DVD writer to work to burn a live cd though :(
[04:49] <RealisticDragon> sorry easytiger that should be dhclient <interface> forget my head if it wasnt glued on ;)
[04:50] <RealisticDragon> d'oh... does the drive show up in lspci?
[04:50] <easytiger> RealisticDragon: yea it just tries a few times then says no offers
[04:50] <kavit> RealisticDragon: lshal shows it to be a generic scsi device
[04:51] <RealisticDragon> easytiger: it might be worth trying a different config utility - wifi-radar sometimes works better than nm-applet or knetworkmanager
[04:51] <RealisticDragon> its in adept :) run it with sudo wifi-radar
[04:52] <llutz> easytiger: try to switch off encryption explicit: iwconfig >dev> enc off
[04:52] <easytiger> RealisticDragon: cool. sadly the computer has no network connection
[04:52] <RealisticDragon> kavit: dont know if i can be any help :/ sorry
[04:52] <RealisticDragon> ahh sorry easytiger, didnt realise it was wireless only :)
[04:53] <easytiger> alas
[04:55] <kavit> RealisticDragon: thanks for trying anyway :)
[04:57] <VSpike> If I go into the control panel and disable the sound system, does that stop arts running?
[04:58] <VSpike> hm no.. sorry shoulda checked that myself
[04:58] <VSpike> I guess it stops it actually doing anything though?
[05:04] <Sebboh> How do I inform KDE that I want to double click files to open them, not single click?
[05:04] <RealisticDragon> system settings>keyboard and mouse>mouse
[05:04] <Sebboh> (Or at least not open the file twice if I do double click, jeeze. ;P )
[05:04] <RealisticDragon> i think you can change the delay there as well :)
[05:05] <Jucato> (In Dapper, it would be just System Settings -> Mouse)
[05:05] <shenmue> !lvm2
[05:05] <ubotu> lvm2: The Linux Logical Volume Manager. In component main, is optional. Version 2.02.06-2ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 292 kB, installed size 828 kB
[05:05] <shenmue> !lvm2 | shenmue
[05:05] <RealisticDragon> the control panel seems to be getting a little more obtuse with every release :/
[05:05] <Sebboh> The double click delay?  That would have nothing to do with it. =)  File open is set to double click now, thanks all.
[05:06] <RealisticDragon> np
[05:06] <shenmue> !lvm2 > shenmue
[05:06] <dettoaltrimenti_> where is the control panel in kubuntu?
[05:06] <RealisticDragon> start>system settings
[05:06] <LjL> dettoaltrimenti_: K / System Settings
[05:06] <snama> or you can type    kcontrol    in konsole
[05:07] <LjL> or in alt+f2 for that matter
[05:07] <RealisticDragon> alt-space kcontrol :)
[05:07] <kavit> whats the gpg key for kubuntu.org apt repository?
[05:07] <LjL> RealisticDragon: that won't work
[05:07] <RealisticDragon> bah, its not in katapult.. wonder why
[05:07] <LjL> RealisticDragon: it only knows about things that are somewhere in the menu i think
[05:07] <dettoaltrimenti_> is there somewhere under system settings where I can choose which programs to load at startup? or do I have to write a script to do that?
[05:07] <snama> hey this is great stuff man
[05:07] <RealisticDragon> i do love katapult but it can be a bit odd :)
[05:08] <snama> where are you all from?
[05:08] <Jucato> K Menu -> System Settings
[05:08] <LjL> kavit: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-161.php
[05:08] <jerp> kavit, go to that automated repository generator, they'll have it there
[05:08] <RealisticDragon> england snama
[05:08] <snama> iam fron sweden
[05:08] <snama> from*
[05:08] <Jucato> RealisticDragon: its Programs catalog only knows those that are in the K Menu
[05:08] <buzzy> how do i mount a floppy in fat mode?
[05:08] <kavit> jerp: which one?
[05:09] <RealisticDragon> well alt-space sys works anyway ;)
[05:09] <_kuja_> mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /path/to/mountpoint
[05:09] <_kuja_> perhaps
[05:09] <LjL> dettoaltrimenti_: can't you just open all (and only) the programs you want to be run at startup, and do a K / Save Session?
[05:09] <snama> what is katapult btw?
[05:09] <LjL> !katapult
[05:09] <ubotu> katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[05:09] <LjL> snama: press Alt+Space
[05:09] <Jucato> dettoaltrimenti_: you can just create links to the applications you want to startup in ~/.kde/Autostart (right click -> Create New -> Link to Application). Or you could use KDE's Session management which is set to "Restore from previous session" by default
[05:10] <LjL> oh it's previous session by default
[05:10] <jerp> http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[05:10] <snama> man itws great stuff
[05:10] <Jucato> LjL: yep. not manually save session
[05:10] <_kuja_> katapult's even a fully functional calculator :)
[05:11] <eMaX_> re
[05:11] <RealisticDragon> haha thats awesome _kuja_
[05:11] <snama> doesnt katapult have to buffer the harddriver or something?
[05:11] <Jucato> Katapult can launch programs in K Menu, search for docs in your home directory, launch/run Amarok playlists, etc
[05:11] <snama> like indexing
[05:12] <Jucato> snama: not really. it just uses the information that's already available, like the K Menu (.desktop files), Amarok playlists, etc
[05:12] <snama> k
[05:12] <snama> nice
[05:12] <Jucato> oh, it also does bookmarks
[05:12] <snama> very nice
[05:13] <snama> what web browser are you using guys?
[05:13] <RealisticDragon> firefox and konqueror :)
[05:13] <RealisticDragon> mostly firefox
[05:13] <snama> opera is great but now i use Konqueror
[05:13] <snama> Firefox boots so damn slow on my pc
[05:13] <snama> konqueror is instant
[05:13] <rich__> hi i am having a poblem
[05:13] <_kuja_> I have opera skiinned to look just like konqueror (for the most part) .... I get the two confused sometimes!
[05:14] <Jucato> snama: you could try swiftfox
[05:14] <RealisticDragon> whats up rich__?
[05:14] <snama> k
[05:14] <Jucato> _kuja_: how can you get confused with the toolbars? :P
[05:14] <Jucato> going afk...
[05:14] <RealisticDragon> too many firefox extensions i dont want to give up :)
[05:14] <rich__> my pc wont bownload things off the internet
[05:14] <_kuja_> I know that's different, but the colors, icons, everything else is the same .....
[05:15] <rich__> my pc wont bownload things off the internet
[05:15] <shenmue> RealisticDragon: me too
[05:15] <_kuja_> Or as close as I can get it.
[05:15] <snama> man i like the way linux communities work man... its so friendly and free
[05:15] <RealisticDragon> rich__: the same pc you are using now?
[05:15] <rich__> yes\
[05:15] <RealisticDragon> so, the internet works, just some bugs ;) which program are you using to download?
[05:16] <rich__> firefox
[05:16] <rich__> ???
[05:16] <shenmue> Jucato: some ff extensions are really helpful
[05:16] <RealisticDragon> can you see web pages with it? its just downloading files that breaks?
[05:16] <VSpike> !arts
[05:16] <ubotu> arts: sound system from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.4-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 5 kB, installed size 36 kB
[05:16] <rich__> yes how did u no???
[05:17] <snama> man i bet KDE4 will rock
[05:17] <rich__> yes how did u no???
[05:17] <RealisticDragon> just working through the list of things that might be wrong :)
[05:17] <snama> i wish it could be faster than 3 too
[05:17] <RealisticDragon> what happens when you go to toold>downloads? (firefox menus)
[05:17] <snama> you open up the downloads window
[05:17] <BluesKaj> how do i give myself permission to copy files from ext3 to my NTFS partition ...I have samba working and i can copy file from NTFS to kubuntu , but not the reverse . I don't want to have to boot into windows.
[05:17] <snama> if you want to configure you go to preferences
[05:18] <RealisticDragon> talking rich though a problem snama ;)
[05:18] <snama> k
[05:18] <snama> lol
[05:18] <RealisticDragon> does the download window show up when you do that rich__? :o
[05:18] <llutz> BluesKaj: you don't want to write to ntfs from linux,( maybe with ntf-3g)...
[05:19] <vado> Hi
[05:19] <RealisticDragon> !captive
[05:19] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[05:19] <snama> hey vado
[05:19] <snama> having a nice day?
[05:19] <_kuja_> speaking of arts and kde4 ... no more arts, yay!
[05:19] <BluesKaj> llutz, ntf-3g ? what's that ?
[05:19] <llutz> BluesKaj: new driver for ntfs
[05:19] <snama> when is KDE 4 coming?
[05:19] <_kuja_> in a long time
[05:20] <rich__> yes it does
[05:20] <rich__> its working
[05:20] <snama> :( but i bet it will be good made
[05:20] <llutz> BluesKaj: ntfs-3g, sry
[05:20] <rich__> its working
[05:20] <rich__> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:20] <RealisticDragon> great rich__, all set now? :)
[05:20] <rich__> i think
[05:20] <BluesKaj> llutz, , I just need permission to copy files
[05:20] <snama> another satisfied soul
[05:20] <snama> its good and friendly here
[05:21] <snama> windows sucks
[05:21] <_kuja_> The phrase "Windows sucks" has such a nice ring to it
[05:22] <BluesKaj> windows is a fact of life , I have to learn to live with it
[05:22] <RealisticDragon> well, windows isnt the whole problem :) its all the software that sucks AND requires windows thats the problem... the telmex DSL install frexample that took me 2 1/2 hours this morning :P https://www.revis.co.uk/site/?q=node/125
[05:22] <snama> microsoft is critisized for having too many "Windows applications" in Vista. not letting the competion in. believe it or not but microsoft has its own Anti-Virus for Vista haha
[05:22] <BluesKaj> all this windows bashing isn't helping me
[05:22] <_kuja_> RealisticDragon: don't limit it to software, don't forget about the hardware ...
[05:22] <fannagoganna_> well i don't like MS because it's just not a very powerful OS
[05:22] <llutz> win-bashing helps nobody
[05:23] <_kuja_> No, but it makes us feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
[05:23] <BluesKaj> llutz, ;)
[05:23] <snama> you cant do nothing in the NT or DOS command-line
[05:23] <fannagoganna_> with Linux, i can just pop out a program with a GUI when I need one
[05:23] <RealisticDragon> i havent tried the new windows shell yet
[05:23] <RealisticDragon> its supposed to be half decent
[05:23] <snama> hey btw will Swiftfox interfere with Firefox?
[05:23] <fannagoganna_> plus, any UNIX shell command is much much much better than cmd :)
[05:24] <fannagoganna_> I mean UNIX shell, sorry
[05:24] <_kuja_> cygwin? :D
[05:24] <llutz> if you miss something, use cygwin or gnu-utils, bash/zsh are available, so what? :)
[05:24] <fannagoganna_> eh, cygwin is pretty cumbersome. Although it's better than Windows, it's not as good as Linux
[05:24] <snama> has any1 tried tremolous?
[05:25] <rich__> > > > > > > > Could not open the file /home/rich/Desktop/GoogleEarthLinux.bin.
[05:25] <rich__> > > > > > > > gedit has not been able to detect the character coding.
[05:25] <rich__> > > > > > > > Please check that you are not trying to open a binary file.
[05:25] <rich__> > > > > > > > Select a character coding from the menu and try again.
[05:25] <rich__> help
[05:25] <rich__> > gedit has not been able to detect the character coding.
[05:25] <rich__> > Please check that you are not trying to open a binary file.
[05:25] <rich__> > Select a character coding from the menu and try again.
[05:25] <_kuja_> try kate?
[05:25] <RealisticDragon> no
[05:25] <fannagoganna_> did you try chmod +x  /home/rich/Desktop/GoogleEarthLinux.bin?
[05:25] <RealisticDragon> its google earth
[05:25] <rich__> help
[05:25] <RealisticDragon> what fannagoganna_ said ;)
[05:25] <rich__> help
[05:25] <snama> what are you trying to do?
[05:25] <snama> rich
[05:26] <RealisticDragon> open up a konsole (alt-f2)
[05:26] <RealisticDragon> then type konsole
[05:26] <Dr_willis> rich__,  Learn some linux basics gesh.. and quit acting like an idiot on IRC.
[05:26] <dreamer> heya
[05:26] <rich__> i tryed 2 download it
[05:26] <_kuja_> why do such a combersome thing when we have katapult, RD?
[05:26] <cebices4> sorry the lights went out in here and i missed all the aswers... could you please repeat
[05:26] <Dr_willis> rich__,  you need to 'run' the thing - its an executable.. not a text file.. dont just 'double click' on it.
[05:26] <dreamer> where can I do that ?
[05:26] <snama> you need to go to the file properties of GoogleEarthLinux.bin and make it executable and then open konsole in that directory and launch
[05:27] <fannagoganna_> hey now, this channel is for newbies
[05:27] <fannagoganna_> no need for abuse
[05:27] <rich__> thanks
[05:27] <RealisticDragon> the command you need rich is 'chmod u+x google*.bin && ./google*.bin'
[05:27] <D4rkW1zz4rd> hello
[05:27] <RealisticDragon> the first one marks the file as being good to run and the second runs it
[05:27] <D4rkW1zz4rd> I need some help
[05:27] <D4rkW1zz4rd> how to configure PPPOE ?
[05:27] <_kuja_> that happens a lot in support channels d4rk
[05:27] <Dr_willis> just dont shout  help, help, help, and flood the channel in the future.. :)
[05:28] <D4rkW1zz4rd> it just gives me access denied authentification failed
[05:28] <RealisticDragon> D4rkW1zz4rd: USB ASDL modem?
[05:28] <D4rkW1zz4rd> no modem
[05:28] <D4rkW1zz4rd> at all
[05:28] <D4rkW1zz4rd> direct connection
[05:28] <llutz> dreamer: in firefox prefs.js/user.js , "network.protocol-handler.app.mailto" = "firefox", "network.protocol-handler.external.mailto" ="true"
[05:28] <Dr_willis> !googleearth
[05:28] <ubotu> Google Earth is now available, for free (only as in price), for Linux, too. To download it see http://earth.google.com/download-earth.html
[05:28] <RealisticDragon> best place to look might be the ubuntu wiki D4rkW1zz4rd, afraid i havent had to play with ppoe
[05:29] <dreamer> llutz: where exactly do I find this to edit ?
[05:29] <rich__> thanks everyone
[05:29] <llutz> dreamer: ~/.mozilla ; http://mozdev.org/pipermail/discuss/2004-April/000068.html
[05:29] <_kuja_> hmm, apt-cache shows a  couple pertinent programs: pppoe and pppoeconf
[05:29] <rich__> thanks everyone
[05:29] <snama> np
[05:29] <rich__> bye
[05:29] <dreamer> llutz: thnx, I'll check
[05:30] <rich__> bye
[05:30] <snama> bye man have a nice day
[05:30] <rich__> u 2
[05:30] <rich__> marry xmas
[05:30] <snama> same to you
[05:31] <rich__> have a good day
[05:31] <Dr_willis> now HOW did i install google earth from the package manager....
[05:31] <Dr_willis> its in some alternative repos i guess...
[05:31] <Dr_willis> I rember doing it just last week. :)
[05:33] <snama> hey does any1 know any very big difference between Feisty Herd and Edgy Eft?
[05:34] <RealisticDragon> beryl might be inegrated into feisty
[05:34] <snama> nice
[05:34] <RealisticDragon> im not sure about this name :( i was hoping for fantabulous flatfish ;)
[05:34] <snama> lol
[05:34] <Dr_willis> I think the whole Cute Animal Name scheme is getting rather sad....
[05:35] <snama> hey btw any1 here wants that Valve ports Steam and all of the big Steam games to Linux, BSD and Mac?
[05:35] <RealisticDragon> not me
[05:35] <snama> would be nice
[05:35] <RealisticDragon> not a fan of steam
[05:35] <Dr_willis> snama,  actually i gave UP on  the valve games because of Steam.
[05:36] <snama> not me either but CS and Half Life
[05:36] <snama> steam is so slow
[05:36] <Dr_willis> they did it in a totally screwy way.. and i had to wait several days to get HL2 to even install.
[05:36] <Dr_willis> so i dont buy stuff from them any more.
[05:36] <Dr_willis> actually i dont play games much any more.
[05:36] <snama> i never did
[05:36] <snama> buy
[05:37] <snama> i borrowed an account from a friend or used Pacsteam
[05:37] <Dr_willis> and the way steam is set up i cant even 'legally' give my game to my brother to play.. since its in my name.
[05:37] <RealisticDragon> if you pay for steam games then you wont be able to play them when/if valve pulls the plug :o all my old games i can still play on linux with cedega if i feel bored enough... HL2 and the rest are just rented, so im keeping my money :)
[05:37] <snama> Pacsteam is pretty good, you get all the games but you can only run them on cracked servers
[05:38] <Dr_willis> sounds like somthing to avoide...
[05:38] <imagine> Hello, during the install, Kubuntu never asked me to enter a SU password.. How can I set it up now ?
[05:38] <snama> so how much faster is Swiftfox compared to Firefox?
[05:38] <RealisticDragon> not so into stolen software anymore :) easier of course to say now that linux is so good.. and i get paid on a monthly basis :P
[05:39] <Dr_willis> !root
[05:39] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[05:39] <Dr_willis> !sudo
[05:39] <RealisticDragon> imagine: you dont normally use root on an ubuntu/k box, if you need to have a root shell try sudo su
[05:39] <imagine> ok
[05:39] <Dr_willis> sudo -s
[05:39] <imagine> sry, I"m comin from SUSe
[05:39] <RealisticDragon> the password for sudo is the first user password :)
[05:39] <Dr_willis> i perfer the 'sux' command.. but im old-skool
[05:39] <imagine> kk;)
[05:40] <dresnu> hello to all! I'm getting a new laptop today with a dual 2 core processor. I'm a little confused on which kubuntu version to install. Should I install the "normal" x86 version with the generic smp kernel or the amd64 version (which from what I read on the forums works also with intel cpus)?
[05:40] <Dr_willis> Been Messing with my MythTV box last 3 days....
[05:40] <Dr_willis> dresnu,  i would avoide the 64bit versions. theres still lots of quirks with stuff. and programs taht are not avail for it.
[05:40] <RealisticDragon> dresnu: right now i think a lot of people are still running on x86 rather than -amd64 until the last of the bugs go away
[05:41] <snama> i am satisfied with my good'ol Pentium 3 coppermine
[05:41] <dresnu> aha, yeah I already knew about many programs not working with 64bit version
[05:41] <snama> any1 here running on a P3?
[05:42] <RealisticDragon> got a server running on an old P3 gen. celeron :)
[05:42] <dresnu> but you confirme my that the amd64 version also works for intel?
[05:42] <snama> man am i hungry
[05:42] <RealisticDragon> dresnu: yeah, the intel 64 bit extensions were licensed from amd
[05:43] <dresnu> RealisticDragon: interesting, thanks
[05:44] <dresnu> so I guess I'll stick to x86 for now
[05:44] <snama> where are you guys from?
[05:45] <snama> any1 here experiencind Amarok being slow at startup?
[05:45] <Dr_willis> heh - anyone here even been able to FIND a ps3
[05:46] <RealisticDragon> i want a wii but they are all sold out :/
[05:46] <Dr_willis> The hotest Xmas gifts that you cant buy....
[05:47] <nuxil> linux will run on ps3 ;)
[05:47] <Dr_willis> linux will run on a PS2 :)
[05:47] <nuxil> i know
[05:47] <Dr_willis> linux will run on a ........ lot of things..
[05:47] <dreamer> it'll ,rum' on anything :P
[05:47] <RealisticDragon> no direct access to the video hardware
[05:47] <dreamer> 'run' *
[05:47] <nuxil> Dr_willis, LOL
[05:47] <nuxil> yea thats true
[05:47] <dofre> hello
[05:48] <Dr_willis> been looking at the Nokia 770, or that GPX2 handheld for a new toy....
[05:48] <Dr_willis> but i want somthing that can play videos well.
[05:48] <dofre> i have a usb version 2 but in linux it's configure only with 1.1 version
[05:48] <Jucato> both can, afaik
[05:48] <Dr_willis> so can my PSP - :) but i want somtning thats nice and easier to use.
[05:48] <dofre> how to modifiy to pass to usb 2
[05:49] <Dr_willis> PSP is &$&@&@9 annoying in the formats it plays
[05:49] <RealisticDragon> Dr_willis: i have a sharp zaurus C750 for playing video :) 2gb sd card and a 4gb Cf card, and enough battery to get over the adlantic
[05:49] <nuxil> sonyericsson :)
[05:49] <Jucato> Dr_willis: yes. so you can play more games :)
[05:49] <Dr_willis> i dont even play games on the psp
[05:49] <Dr_willis> 'Porn Station Portable'
[05:49] <nuxil> lol
[05:50] <Dr_willis> NEXT big thing to figure out - is converting my MythTV recordings to PSP format....
[05:50] <nuxil> heh.. good luck :)
[05:50] <Dr_willis> I hear the replacement for the 770 is  comming out soon.
[05:50] <RealisticDragon> theres a tool to automatically convert them and serve them up as an rss feed
[05:50] <RealisticDragon> maybe that was for the ipod :o
[05:51] <Dr_willis> guy at work had an ipod watching videos.. the psp made it look like a cheap thing.
[05:51] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:52] <nuxil> wtf is the point in watching a video on a 2" screen :p
[05:52] <Dr_willis> Of course they frown on watching videos at work.
[05:52] <_kuja_> on a 2" screen ... that costs $100+
[05:52] <_kuja_> I don't know what the point is either
[05:52] <Dr_willis> its so noisy in the factory.. and i got anime that i have to use subtitles for.. so i need a bigger screen.
[05:52] <nuxil> overprized
[05:53] <nothlit> The psp should have enough res for subtitles
[05:53] <nothlit> Dr_willis, of course only if you can use all of it
[05:53] <ubuntu_> will two bootable flags frag the system? (one on a sata disk /dev/sdc, and one on a stata disk /dev/sdb)
[05:53] <nuxil> hehe make a headgear for the ipod and let it hang like 3" away from your eyes.. make it look like 50" :P
[05:53] <Dr_willis> Yea. getting the videos converted to the psp - and showing the subtitles - is the stumbling point.
[05:54] <Dr_willis> Getting Anything converted to the PSP is the big hassle.
[05:54] <Dr_willis> nuxil,  they got those allready.
[05:54] <nuxil> lol
[05:54] <nuxil> no kidding?
[05:54] <ubuntu_> i am adding a disk :) ,but just adding with fdisk and mkfs and plug in as +1sdx does not boot the system
[05:55] <nuxil> well people make alot of crap thise days.. so why not a headgrear for the ipod
[05:55] <nuxil> lol
[05:55] <RealisticDragon> you can get glasses that take composite inputs already ;)
[05:55] <dofre> any idea to configure a correct usb 2....
[05:56] <BluesKaj> _kuja_, i need to unmount the hda1 partition in oder to use Fuse and ntfs-3g..what's the the right command ?
[05:57] <_kuja_> umount /dev/hda1
[05:57] <_kuja_> **sudo
[05:57] <nuxil> not happening if hda1 is /
[05:58] <ubuntu_> can anyone tell why kubuntu doesn' t let me add a disk? if i do, and make the table and fs from a live-cd and reboot, the system stops with some weird error
[05:58] <jager|work> some weird error?
[05:58] <jager|work> can you be more specific?
[05:58] <nuxil> ubuntu_, a weird error for you may mean something for others
[05:59] <_kuja_> screenshot/pastebin of the weird error?
[05:59] <ubuntu_> yeah, i have seem more, something with that init could not be found
[05:59] <ubuntu_> but as soon as i unplug the new disk, all is just fine
[05:59] <ubuntu_> *seen
[06:00] <_kuja_> What kind of disk?
[06:00] <_kuja_> IDE, SATA, USB, Firewire?
[06:00] <ubuntu_> seagate barracuda 7200.10 sata3gb/s  750GB
[06:01] <ubuntu_> hehe
[06:01] <_kuja_> I've got two barracuda 250gbs ...
[06:01] <ubuntu_> yeah they seem to be fast
[06:01] <nuxil> seagate was my first 1 GB disk :)
[06:01] <ubuntu_> the 7200.10 line that is
[06:01] <snama> i have an old fujitsu 15.3 GB 5500 rpm
[06:02] <snama> IDE
[06:02] <_kuja_> so lets see here, what is your primary drive, seeing as you can't mount the 750gb?
[06:03] <nuxil> do a df
[06:03] <nuxil> to check no trying to mount a exsiting one
[06:03] <nuxil> *no/not
[06:04] <ubuntu_> SATA1-port is my new seagate, SATA2-port is my old 300GB diamondmax dapperD with LOTS of data, SATA3-port is my old 300GB diamondmax with my stuff
[06:04] <ubuntu_> SATA2 has a bootable flag
[06:04] <nuxil> hmmm why did hda become sda in kernel 2.6.19
[06:04] <_kuja_> ubuntu_, which drive do you ahve ubuntu installed on?
[06:04] <snama> i need help with one thing. when i installed the Fgrlx driver on Kubuntu 6.10 the KDM doesnt show up when i reboot it. i can only start X by doing startx as root
[06:04] <ubuntu_> SATA2
[06:05] <ubuntu_> which was SATA1-port
[06:05] <nuxil> whats new in edgy compared to dapper ?
[06:05] <_kuja_> Hmm, try unplugging any and all IDE drives, and then booting?
[06:05] <snama> mostly bug-fixes i guess. and some new programs
[06:05] <_kuja_> nuxil: kde 3.5.5 is a plus
[06:06] <ubuntu_> but when i added the new disk at SATA3 after i got it partitioned, it didn' t boot... so i thought, let's forget dapper and install edgy on the new disk
[06:06] <nuxil> _kuja_, is that all?
[06:06] <_kuja_> No
[06:06] <snama> why dont you check on their site
[06:06] <nuxil> _kuja_, i got 3.5.5 in my dapper
[06:06] <buz> how do i force linux to rescan usb devices?
[06:06] <_kuja_> Yes, but try to start Kaffeine from the terminal in dapper with kde 3.5.5, I dare you.
[06:07] <buz> after resuming from suspend to disk usb subsystem doesnt work anymore
[06:07] <_kuja_> Unless they've done another update since the last time I ran 3.5.5 in dapper ...
[06:07] <snama> when i installed the Fgrlx driver on Kubuntu 6.10 the KDM doesnt show up when i reboot it. i can only start X by doing startx as root
[06:07] <_kuja_> In other words, there are issues with it in dapper.
[06:07] <snama> can someone help me plz?
[06:07] <nuxil> buz, reconnect them. fysicaly
[06:07] <buz> nuxil: doesnt help
[06:07] <buz> they dont show up
[06:07] <ubuntu_> and that turned out to be questionable because then i have to know wheter two bootable flag will hurt the system
[06:07] <buz> not even on dmesg
[06:07] <ubuntu_> so i was trailing...
[06:08] <nuxil> buz, try unsuspend the disk with hdparm
[06:08] <ubuntu_> was scared and came here
[06:08] <buz> its not a disk
[06:08] <buz> its mostly my mouse
[06:08] <buz> tho usb disks dont get detected either
[06:08] <buz> its like whole usb subsystem is dead
[06:08] <buz> even though the modules are reloaded
[06:08] <_kuja_> ubuntu_ your problem is weird indeed
[06:09] <buz> i need to unload all usb stuff before suspend
[06:09] <nuxil> smod |grep usb
[06:09] <nuxil> *lsmod
[06:09] <buz> yeah, 6 modules using usbcore
[06:09] <buz> all fine
[06:09] <nuxil> try reloade the modules
[06:09] <buz> usbcore               134912  7 usblp,usbkbd,usbmouse,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd,usbhid
[06:09] <snama> i got to go and shit now man
[06:10] <_kuja_> that's wonderful snama
[06:10] <ubuntu_> yeah, well, if i could install edgy on the new disk on SATA1-port without getting in troubles with previous bootable flags it will fly i guess. But it is scary with my load of data
[06:10] <buz> why would bootable flag destroy data
[06:10] <_kuja_> Well, so long as corruption doesn't happen, and it shouldn't, you should be save ubuntu_
[06:10] <_kuja_> *safe
[06:11] <buz> reloading all usb modules doesnt help eithrer
[06:11] <_kuja_> As per the bootable flags, I've never noticed any differences when using or not using them.
[06:11] <_kuja_> I don't even bother setting them anymore.
[06:12] <buz> winwoes gets confused without
[06:12] <buz> other than that they arent really needed i guess
[06:12] <Rob-West> winblows sucks
[06:12] <_kuja_> Oh, I haven't used/setup windows in a couple years, so I guess I wouldn't know :D
[06:12] <nuxil> buz, does this only happens if X is running?
[06:13] <buz> i sent the machine to suspend while i was in x, but i have it switching to VT1 first
[06:13] <Rob-West> i switched to linux 2 weeks ago
[06:13] <nuxil> ther might be a bug in the Xorg driver for usb
[06:13] <buz> if i dont switch to VT1 i get garbled gui after resuem
[06:13] <_kuja_> A wise choice Rob-West!
[06:15] <dettoaltrimenti_> if you don't have a registered domain name, can people still access an apache server you set up if through your ip address?
[06:15] <buz> nuxil: gets weirder than that, if i do suspend to ram after suspend to disk and then resume, i can use the keyboard and mice again
[06:15] <buz> all usb stuff
[06:15] <buz> so obviously powersaved does some black magic
[06:16] <_kuja_> dettoaltrimenti, maybe, if you have a static ip
[06:16] <ubuntu_> thanks for info _kuja_
[06:16] <ubuntu_> and rest
[06:16] <nuxil> buz, sounds weird
[06:16] <_kuja_> yw ubuntu_
[06:16] <buz> mhh try some more
[06:16] <buz> i'm almost there
[06:16] <buz> i never had suspend to disk working while using nvidia binary drivers
[06:16] <buz> if that will work, this laptop is perfect
[06:16] <dettoaltrimenti_> how do I check my ip in the terminal? ipconfig?
[06:17] <_kuja_> unsure, it'd have to be the ip that your ISP assigned you
[06:17] <bgsteffens> i just mounted a hard drive but i do not have access to it! >_>
[06:17] <bgsteffens> how can i change permissions on a mounted drive >___>
[06:17] <Chousuke> depends on the filesystem
[06:18] <bgsteffens> ext3
[06:18] <Chousuke> chmod.
[06:18] <Chousuke> maybe there's some GUI tool for it too
[06:18] <Chousuke> like right-clicking the files in konqueror and looking at properties or something
[06:18] <bgsteffens> well it looks like it yea
[06:19] <bgsteffens> but it says i don't have permission
[06:19] <Chousuke> bgsteffens: then you're not the owner of those files.
[06:19] <bgsteffens> can i do like a sudo in kde?
[06:19] <nothlit> Chousuke, there is
[06:19] <nothlit> kdesu?
[06:19] <Chousuke> hmm
[06:19] <snama> iam back
[06:19] <bgsteffens> should i not have mounted the device as root?
[06:19] <Chousuke> bgsteffens: is it an external drive or something?
[06:19] <nothlit> bgsteffens, kdesu konqueror ... is that what you mean?
[06:19] <bgsteffens> no, internal driver
[06:19] <Chousuke> no, that should not matter.
[06:20] <Chousuke> what files does it contain?
[06:20] <bgsteffens> empty, i want to move old files to it
[06:20] <_kuja_> Chousuke, bgsteffens, good old fstab. You can set most anything regarding permissions in there. Then umount, remount, and you're good to go.
[06:20] <bgsteffens> to get them off ntfs
[06:20] <Chousuke> bgsteffens: hmmh
[06:20] <Chousuke> bgsteffens: I think you need a chown operation
[06:20] <bgsteffens> kuja: you can set permission in there?
[06:21] <_kuja_> bgsteffens, mmhmm
[06:21] <Chousuke> bgsteffens: if you do chown -R username.username /drive/mount/path that should make the drive "belong" to your user.
[06:21] <Chousuke> be careful not to do it on /, though!
[06:21] <snama> you know all, i think all Linux and BSD people should make some more propaganda in public places
[06:22] <bgsteffens> i put /dev/hdd, /media/temphd, auto, rw, user, noauto, 0, 0
[06:22] <Chousuke> auto and noauto together?
[06:22] <snama> in cities, squares and malls
[06:22] <Chousuke> :P
[06:22] <bgsteffens> i copied above lines generated by os...........
[06:22] <bgsteffens> auto is for type
[06:22] <bgsteffens> noauto under options
[06:22] <Chousuke> ah, true
[06:22] <Chousuke> bgsteffens: do you need to have multiple users with access to the drive?
[06:22] <_kuja_> what fstype are we working with?
[06:23] <Chousuke> ext3
[06:23] <ubuntu_> oh, btw, does it matter if the disk on SATA1-port is on /dev/sdb instead of /dev/sda? (seems the installation forces me todo that when the other disks are SATA2 and SATA3)
[06:23] <Chousuke> it should be trivial
[06:23] <bgsteffens> no :( i just want to transfer 300 gb from one drive to another and then i'm done :(
[06:23] <Chousuke> bgsteffens: you just need to change the owner of the drive
[06:23] <Chousuke> that doesn't require any remounting
[06:23] <_kuja_> yeah, a simple chown -R should do the trick
[06:24] <Chousuke> I have no idea how to do it in a GUI, but it's simple from the command line
[06:24] <Chousuke> This is kind of funny, actually
[06:24] <bgsteffens> chown root:staff /u? lol
[06:24] <Chousuke> Maybe people complain that Linux is difficult to use because they're always given instructions in CLI commands :P
[06:25] <_kuja_> chown -R users:users /path/to/mountpoint?
[06:25] <snama> bgsteffens: you can burn it all onto DVDs hehe
[06:25] <RealisticDragon> one line somewhere thats easy to find or 13 button clicks in random locations :P
[06:25] <bgsteffens> snama: would take forever.. after how long i've been trying to do this tho lol
[06:25] <TheGateKeeper> Chousuke:  hmmm thought that made it easy, copy --> paste
[06:25] <bgsteffens> i should've just used dvds in the first place ;P
[06:25] <Chousuke> but telling them to "type <random magicks here>" instead of "click there, and there, and there, and... oh, you were using fluxbox?"
[06:25] <snama> DVD9
[06:25] <Chousuke> easier
[06:26] <Chousuke> :P
[06:26] <RealisticDragon> as long as no one tries the old just type sudo rm -rf / thing :P
[06:26] <snama> any1 here uses the Baghira theme for KDE?
[06:26] <bgsteffens> k i did sudo chown root:brian /media/temphd
[06:26] <_kuja_> hehehe
[06:26] <bgsteffens> no error but
[06:26] <bgsteffens> root still owns
[06:26] <Chousuke> bgsteffens: of course.
[06:27] <Chousuke> bgsteffens: you specified root as the owner.
[06:27] <_kuja_> you need chown -R! the -R is important
[06:27] <Chousuke> and you need to say brian:brian if you want to be the owner.
[06:27] <Chousuke> the second username is actually a group name
[06:27] <bgsteffens> sudo chown -R brian:brian /media/temphd?
[06:27] <Chousuke> yeah
[06:28] <Chousuke> that makes you own the drive.
[06:28] <bgsteffens> ok whew
[06:28] <ubuntu_> 0_o
[06:28] <_kuja_> and every file on it
[06:28] <bgsteffens> mkdir worked
[06:28] <bgsteffens> :D
[06:28] <Chousuke> I suppose there's no need to give other users access?
[06:28] <_kuja_> w007
[06:28] <bgsteffens> no need but
[06:28] <Chousuke> in that case, you'd have to make a group.
[06:28] <bgsteffens> oh i see
[06:28] <Chousuke> it's simple, really
[06:28] <bgsteffens> thanks for the search term for the future
[06:28] <bgsteffens> i never know what to write in google for what i want to know lol
[06:28] <Chousuke> I think you can make groups from some account management tool in KDE
[06:29] <RealisticDragon> kuser
[06:29] <bgsteffens> yea i think i saw something like that
[06:29] <Chousuke> then you can just "sudo chown brian:group" whatever files you want the group to be able to access
[06:29] <_kuja_> I don't think ubuntu installs kuser by default, but systemsettings has a clone of it in it.
[06:29] <bgsteffens> cool cool ^^
[06:29] <Chousuke> also, chmod to modify permissions to the files.
[06:29] <bgsteffens> i like linux for the command line lol
[06:29] <Chousuke> Do you know how permissions work on ext3?
[06:30] <bgsteffens> nope =/
[06:30] <Chousuke> there's the owner, the group, and others.
[06:30] <bgsteffens> i thought i saw something in KDE that looked like ftp permissions lol
[06:30] <Chousuke> each have their own permissions.
[06:30] <Chousuke> they are exactly like ftp permissions.
[06:30] <_kuja_> read, write, and execute
[06:30] <bgsteffens> niceee
[06:30] <bgsteffens> :D
[06:30] <Chousuke> or ftp permissions are exactly like UNIX permissions, actually.
[06:31] <Chousuke> (or POSIX? terminology... ;()
[06:31] <_kuja_> Sure, why not
[06:31] <bgsteffens> ;P
[06:31] <bgsteffens> ok thank you everyone
[06:31] <bgsteffens> the migration to linux nightmare has subsided just long enough for me to go to work
[06:31] <Chousuke> the problem people are having with no permissions on NTFS drives is because of incompatible permission schemes.
[06:31] <bgsteffens> i'll be back with more questions another day >=D
[06:31] <_kuja_> oh my, work, how horrible
[06:32] <Chousuke> NTFS doesn't have simple POSIX permissions, so you need to "emulate" them when mounting a nNTFS drive :/
[06:32] <Chousuke> an*
[06:32] <_kuja_> transitioning to linux is kind of like eating a warhead, or a fireball
[06:32] <bgsteffens> all at once or none at all?
[06:32] <bgsteffens> or burns you no matter what ;P
[06:33] <Chousuke> Linux requires you to be able to change the way you think.
[06:33] <Chousuke> the generic windows user doesn't have a clue as to what "permissions" even are
[06:33] <_kuja_> nay, I speak of the candies ... burns at first, but soon enough they're quite sweet :)
[06:33] <bgsteffens> hehe
[06:33] <Chousuke> but in Linux, they're an essential part of what keeps Linux secure :P
[06:34] <bgsteffens> i've used windows most of my life except for dos (which i miss)
[06:34] <Chousuke> DOS didn't even have permission support :D
[06:34] <bgsteffens> always programming
[06:34] <bgsteffens> can't wait to get going programming in linux
[06:34] <bgsteffens> ^^
[06:34] <Chousuke> or rather, the filesystems didn't.
[06:34] <bgsteffens> yea but it was command-line
[06:34] <Chousuke> heh
[06:34] <Jucato> (what do you expect from an OS that doesn't ask *your* permission to "dial home"?)
[06:34] <bgsteffens> i like to know exactly what i'm doing lol
[06:35] <Chousuke> I wonder what kind of trouble users are going to have when Vista blows these "you don't have permission to write to this file" messages at them.
[06:35] <bgsteffens> vista will have permissions?
[06:36] <ubuntu_> nope
[06:36] <_kuja_> There will be a lot of job openings for help desk positions?
[06:36] <Chousuke> well, it will default to non-admin user I think
[06:36] <Chousuke> since they're probably used to running as admin and having permission to do anything they want
[06:36] <bgsteffens> oh lol
[06:36] <Chousuke> XP does have permissions too. very advanced and flexible ones too
[06:36] <Chousuke> just that everyone runs as admin
[06:36] <bgsteffens> just everyone runs as admin eh
[06:36] <Chousuke> and everyone expects you to run as admin
[06:36] <_kuja_> Not everybody.
[06:36] <Chousuke> which makes the whole thing useless.
[06:37] <Chousuke> _kuja_: almost everyone, then :P
[06:37] <_kuja_> My parents win_xp computer, of course, isn't set up in such a foolish manner :)
[06:37] <Chousuke> I've tried running it with non-admin.
[06:37] <Chousuke> it's a pain to set up, and a pain to use.
[06:37] <_kuja_> Indeed.
[06:37] <_kuja_> A very big pain.
[06:37] <Chousuke> there's always some app that needs more permissions
[06:38] <Chousuke> and then you need to hack registry and permissions to make that app work.
[06:38] <_kuja_> or if permissions somehow get changed, oh,l the nightmare that is modifying permissions in winxp home
[06:38] <Chousuke> It's not Windows' fault, really :/
[06:38] <_kuja_> Yes it is.
[06:38] <bgsteffens> haha'
[06:38] <Chousuke> well, not XP:
[06:38] <Chousuke> XP's*
[06:38] <Chousuke> It's just legacy software from the Win9x time when they had no permissions :P
[06:38] <_kuja_> If it didn't set users up to be admin by default, applications wouldn't be written expecting users to be admins.
[06:39] <Chousuke> and still some apps get coded in a stupid way
[06:39] <ubuntu_> i asked MS once how todo that, they refused to tell me how to get it done, i had to pay for it :(
[06:39] <bgsteffens> O_o
[06:39] <Chousuke> ubuntu_: eh?
[06:39] <bgsteffens> ++google
[06:39] <_kuja_> had to pay for what, ubuntu_?
[06:39] <ubuntu_> yeah, it was because i had oem license i guess
[06:39] <Chousuke> had to pay to get documentation about how to write working software?
[06:39] <ubuntu_> for support
[06:40] <Chousuke> what kind of sad platform is that... oh :(
[06:40] <_kuja_> the usual kind that microsoft promotes?
[06:41] <Chousuke> good developer documentation is kind of essential :/
[06:41] <Chousuke> but it sucks if you have to pay to access even basic stuff like that.
[06:41] <ubuntu_> i dunno, just called them and need to verify a lot of numbers and them the awnser was probably only ment to given for corporate use, at least, that is my guess
[06:42] <ubuntu_> holy f, typo's....
[06:42] <Chousuke> Maybe the info is available on MSDN somewhere.
[06:42] <_kuja_> No need to fret about microsoft though now, now is there.
[06:42] <_kuja_> just ask the question/etc aleksanteri?
[06:43] <aleksanteri> so: how do i run a php file in the terminal?
[06:43] <aleksanteri> in win you could do a batch file "php.exe" "file_to_run.php"
[06:44] <aleksanteri> how you do it in linux?
[06:44] <_kuja_> perhaps "php filetorun.php"?
[06:44] <trappist> aleksanteri: php5 -f file
[06:44] <trappist> per the man page
[06:44] <aleksanteri> ok
[06:44] <aleksanteri> thx
[06:44] <aleksanteri> will try that
[06:44] <ubuntu_> yeah you're right _kuja_, but it got me a bad feeling back then, i was overwhelmed by arrogance. Anyway...
[06:45] <oslo> i dont want korgac run when i run kontact how can i do ?
[06:45] <_kuja_> configure -> configure kontact
[06:45] <nuxil> Hey
[06:45] <_kuja_> uncheck korgac?
[06:45] <nuxil> has anyone used Kommander ?
[06:47] <nuxil> is ther a way to make the spinboxses or the slidrers use desimals like.. 3.14 and so on? i have only gotten it to use hole int's like 1 ; 2 : 3 so on.
[06:50] <sampo-> If I got free space at my hard drive end, and I want to make new partition, does it effect to other partitions? In software-raid howto says, that if make changes to partitions, array must stopeed.
[06:51] <Chousuke> And you have software RAID?
[06:51] <sampo-> Yes
[06:51] <Chousuke> Hmm.
[06:52] <Chousuke> I'm not sure if it only means changes in the partitions that are part of the RAID set already.
[06:52] <sampo-> ok, and does linux use /boot -area after boot?
[06:52] <Chousuke> I have no idea.
[06:53] <Chousuke> but just creating a partition from free space should not affect other partitions if you don't do resizing or moving. However, the RAID might be sensitive to changes to the disk as a whole too. :/
[06:54] <_kuja_> umount everything on the disk(s) before making any changes, a good policy to follow.
[06:56] <bXi> does one of you know any sound edit/recording tools cept for audacity
[06:57] <LjL> bXi: kwave
[06:58] <LjL> bXi: and soniK, not in the repositories, but the author has an Ubuntu package i think
[06:58] <nuxil> energyXT ;E
[06:58] <nuxil> $$$
[06:58] <nuxil> http://www.xt-hq.com/
[06:58] <LjL> bXi: only a Breezy package actually :-\
[06:59] <LjL> and a debian sarge one, you might try that, with the obvious caveats of course
[06:59] <stamen> hi
[07:00] <bXi> and compilable from source i guess
[07:00] <stamen> how to cd in directory which is separated by spaces in console
[07:00] <stamen> ?
[07:00] <bXi> use \ in front of the spaces
[07:00] <bXi> like\ this
[07:00] <stamen> 10x
[07:01] <_kuja_> or put the filename/location in quotes
[07:01] <bXi> or type the first few letters and press tab
[07:01] <stamen> bXi: how this will be -> Toni Braxton - Un-Break
[07:01] <stamen> Toni\ Braxton \- \Un-Break ?
[07:02] <eMaX_> re
[07:02] <bXi> just type Toni<tab key>
[07:02] <eMaX_> did I already say that ubuntu is cool...
[07:02] <bXi> or Toni\ Braxton\ -\ Un-Break
[07:03] <stamen> ok
[07:03] <stamen> in this variant  just type Toni<tab key> it shows posibilities
[07:04] <bXi> then type the next letter
[07:04] <bXi> and press tab again
[07:04] <stamen> ok
[07:04] <stamen> yes, now ot works
[07:05] <stamen> did anybody knows how to modify a playlist made with winamp under windows to make it readable for linux
[07:05] <stamen> because it makes the drives in win with letters, but in lin u know how they are
[07:05] <bXi> with what program are you trying to play it?
[07:05] <eMaX_> anyone uses kopete here? I apparently wants to store my im passwords in kwallet. so a) kwallet keeps asking me for whether it shall have access (I'd like to say, yes, forever), and then I keep getting asked for each im provider password.
[07:05] <stamen> amarok
[07:05] <stamen> eMaX_: me
[07:05] <bXi> then i dont know if it can import them
[07:06] <stamen> with what progwam you can
[07:06] <stamen> and how to make them to be burned to a cd
[07:06] <stamen> after that
[07:06] <_kuja_> emax, with kwallet, you can set your master password to nothing, and it won't bug you anymore, assuming physical access to your computer is secure enough.
[07:07] <eMaX_> well you know when I look at the kwallet settings, I see "kopete" "grant always" (or what it's like in English)
[07:07] <eMaX_> and yet it keeps bugging me
[07:08] <_kuja_> And yet it will. It grants permission to use the wallet, yet you'll still have to input the master password.
[07:08] <eMaX_> this is particularly useful.
[07:09] <aleksanteri> ok i used aptitude to get php5 but what's the command now? :P
[07:09] <eMaX_> php (Enter)
[07:09] <eMaX_> :D
[07:09] <aleksanteri> bash: php: command not found
[07:09] <aleksanteri> :P
[07:09] <aleksanteri> i tried that before
[07:09] <_kuja_> php5 <enter>
[07:10] <hazard_> anyone have any experience with TV cards and linux?
[07:10] <aleksanteri> no
[07:10] <_kuja_> not I
[07:10] <Dr_willis> hazard_,  using MythTV right now on my other machine. :P)
[07:10] <Dr_willis> got a Hauggpage 150
[07:11] <hazard_> specifically, I only care about video in to the computer's display, not watching cable
[07:11] <aleksanteri> _kuja_: no
[07:11] <nuxil> haha i got a better card :P
[07:11] <nuxil> pvr 500 :P
[07:11] <Dr_willis> Mine was on sale + remote after rebates = $40
[07:11] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:11] <hazard_> Haha! mine is an ancient Rage128AIW! P3hear my l33t piles of junk.
[07:11] <nuxil> im using a logitech remote :) harmony
[07:12] <Dr_willis> hazard_,  an ati all in wonder card.. may not work at all
[07:12] <eMaX_> Kompose is really cool
[07:12] <hazard_> See, that's what I'm trying to figure out, but I can't seem to find anything related either way.
[07:12] <nuxil> Dr_willis, do you have issues that some bin or img files do not play in myth?
[07:12] <eMaX_> stamen, do you ever have problems being regularly disconnected from msn with kopete?
[07:13] <nuxil> movie bin & img files
[07:13] <_kuja_> aleksanteri: sudo locate -u && locate php | grep bin
[07:13] <aleksanteri> ok will try ;)
[07:13] <stamen> no
[07:14] <impact> hi all
[07:14] <_kuja_> hi impact
[07:15] <aleksanteri> _kuja_: and?
[07:15] <impact> I try to get sound working for Enemy Territory, ... using artsdsp, can anybody tell me what to do? all stuff I have seen on forums like artsp -m does not work
[07:15] <_kuja_> what did it ouptut? should be a list of binaries with php in their name ...
[07:15] <_kuja_> bound to be one of them :P
[07:15] <aleksanteri> ok
[07:16] <impact> if I deactivate the sound server sound works ...
[07:17] <nuxil> impact,
[07:17] <impact> but I want to listen to music AND play Enemy Territory with sound AND have Teamspeak running ...
[07:17] <impact> is there a proper way?
[07:17] <nuxil> did you get that?
[07:17] <aleksanteri> works! thx
[07:17] <nuxil> impact, i sent you a script in om
[07:17] <nuxil> *pm
[07:17] <impact> not I haven't
[07:18] <nuxil> 1 sec
[07:18] <impact> sry i have it thx
[07:18] <nuxil> http://pastebin.ca/279094
[07:22] <eMaX_> has anyone here vmware running w/ nat ?
[07:22] <_kuja_> nat?
[07:23] <cloakable> network address translation
[07:23] <impact> still does not work @nuxil
[07:24] <nuxil> i have had this issue,, but i dont remember how i fixed it hehe
[07:24] <impact> if i dactivate the sound server it works :P
[07:24] <impact> maybe there is a way using dmix
[07:25] <eMaX_> network address translation
[07:25] <compilerwriter> I am not certain which irc client I like best.  Gaim or Konversation?
[07:26] <nuxil> impact, did you do this
[07:26] <zorglu_> compilerwriter: entirely up to you
[07:26] <nuxil> go to the install dir of teamspeaker
[07:26] <nuxil> then open the teamspeaker script
[07:26] <nuxil> not bin file
[07:26] <impact> teamspeak is not installed atm
[07:26] <nuxil> then you change the line that looks like
[07:27] <impact> i play music with amarok and want sound with et
[07:27] <compilerwriter> Although I shall have to find a way to to turn off the sound with every time a person enters or leaves.  That is getting annoying.
[07:27] <compilerwriter> Gaim is the prettier enterface though.
[07:27] <nuxil> TeamSpeak.bin $* to artsdsp -m /path/TeamSpeak.bin $*
[07:27] <compilerwriter> Konversation works reasonably well though.
[07:27] <zorglu_> hehe
[07:27] <zorglu_> compilerwriter: thanks for sharing :)
[07:27] <impact> i have already tried that nuxil
[07:28] <impact> with the et script
[07:28] <nuxil> impact, set your amarok to use xine and not artsd
[07:28] <nuxil> then you disable the kde soundsystem
[07:28] <nuxil> amaork engine to xine
[07:29] <impact> ah ok
[07:29] <eMaX_> my problem is: I have an internal network card on 192.168.1.53/24 and configured the vmnet8 adapter to 192.168.2.1/24; inside the vmware, I have 192.168.2.128/24, and I can ping from 192.168.2.1 <=> 192.168.2.128 both ways. I also want to be able to ping from 192.168.2.128 => 192.168.1.53, yet I'm not able to.
[07:30] <eMaX_> I assume I need something like port forwarding or whatever on ubuntu / host system so that this works
[07:30] <_kuja_> compilerwriter, kopete works well enough too :)
[07:30] <compilerwriter> good lord emax
[07:30] <eMaX_> oh long time noone called me that way...
[07:30] <nuxil> eMaX_, ping -I $interface ip
[07:31] <compilerwriter> I just found one failing with gaim.  It doesn't highlight when someone types using your nick.
[07:31] <trappist> eMaX_: you need separate static routes for 192.168.1. and 192.168.2.
[07:32] <compilerwriter> Does kopete do that.
[07:32] <mc__> compilerwriter: do you indeed write compilers?
[07:32] <_kuja_> highlight when people use your nick? Yeah
[07:32] <_kuja_> or it can beep. Only way to get my attention really
[07:32] <compilerwriter> I haven't attempted such a thing in years.
[07:32] <eMaX_> trappist on the host system?
[07:33] <_kuja_> were said attempts successful?
[07:33] <trappist> eMaX_: yes - btw I wouldn't use that for your vmware subnet
[07:33] <compilerwriter> I once was one of the esoteric programmers though.
[07:34] <eMaX_> trappist do you know the exact syntax?
[07:34] <compilerwriter> I am about to show my age when I tell you I cut my teeth on a sequent.
[07:34] <trappist> eMaX_: the syntax, yes - the exact command you need, no.  the 'route' man page is helpful though.
[07:34] <zorglu_> !codecs
[07:34] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:34] <compilerwriter> Working with linux has been like a blast from the past.
[07:35] <compilerwriter> Though I never did much system administrative work back then.  I am learning a whole new end of things in that regard.
[07:38] <eMaX_> trappist something like? route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev vmnet8 - this doesn't work but do you spot the error?
[07:38] <impact> still no success
[07:48] <slow-motion> hallo
[07:49] <trappist> eMaX_: looks pretty close.  does it give you an error message?
[07:53] <digilux> hm
[07:56] <eMaX_> hey question how can I sudo echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[07:56] <eMaX_> obviously ">" is not "sudoed"
[07:56] <fdoving> eMaX_: echo 1 | sudo tee -a /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[07:57] <trappist> eMaX_: echo 1 | su...
[07:57] <trappist> what fdoving said
[07:58] <trappist> eMaX_: also, sudo sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
[07:58] <fdoving> eMaX_: it's actually just 'tee' without the -a, to have the > effect. -a is for >>
[07:58] <eMaX_> works but also outputs a "1"
[07:58] <trappist> eMaX_: yeah that's what tee does
[07:58] <trappist> redirects input to stdout and a file
[08:00] <eMaX_>  echo 1 | sudo tee /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward >/dev/null works. thanks all
[08:06] <BluesKaj> !pastebin
[08:06] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:07] <imagine> Anyone has ever used moodin?
[08:09] <BluesKaj> trying to install Fuse and  ntfs-3g , check this out ... I get an error saying line 13 is bad .. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37031/
[08:10] <whiste27> hey there
[08:12] <imagine> Anyone has tried to install moodin plugin? I can't compile it it crashes all the time
[08:13] <dettoaltrimenti_> I have saved my passwords in kopete many times, but whenever I restart it always asks me for my passwords again. What's the deal?
[08:13] <RealisticDragon> hm kopete is using 120KB/sec to the MSN server
[08:13] <RealisticDragon> oh, turn off the keyring dettoaltrimenti_
[08:13] <dettoaltrimenti_> you mean kwallet?
[08:13] <RealisticDragon> yep
[08:14] <dettoaltrimenti_> should I just uninstall kwallet? or is it useful for anything
[08:14] <RealisticDragon> i think you can disable it to test
[08:14] <RealisticDragon> and its useful on a shared machine i guess
[08:14] <dettoaltrimenti_> thanks
[08:14] <ubuntu_> hola
[08:14] <ubuntu_> someone speak spanish???????????/
[08:15] <fdoving> !es | ubuntu_
[08:15] <ubotu> ubuntu_: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[08:15] <ubuntu_> #ubuntu-es
[08:15] <RealisticDragon> escribe /j #ubuntu-es
[08:17] <teja_> in english guys..plz
[08:21] <sgorilla80> anyone know the cost of a ds3
[08:22] <teja_> inkow
[08:22] <teja_> but im forget hehe
[08:23] <caseyomah> Is there a way to "Dock" standard applications (Lock to edge and maximize for other apps doex not cover app)?
[08:24] <caseyomah> (...or lap under "Docked" app)
[08:26] <caseyomah> I can put the app where I want it, I can make it not able to move even, but resizing the "desktop area" to not include it I can't figure out.
[08:28] <caseyomah> Any help?
[08:28] <RealisticDragon> i think you need a tiling window manager for that
[08:28] <RealisticDragon> im not sure kde can handle it
[08:28] <RealisticDragon> you can set always on top but thats about it
[08:29] <RealisticDragon> right click on the title bar and go to advanced
[08:30] <caseyomah> Yeah, I know about always on top, but I don't want underlap either. :/
[08:30] <luca> hi everyone
[08:30] <luca> does anyone know how to make beryl use a window manager?
[08:31] <RealisticDragon> try ubuntu-xgl luca
[08:31] <RealisticDragon> :)
[08:31] <RealisticDragon> !beryl
[08:31] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[08:31] <luca> as a command?
[08:31] <RealisticDragon> the channel :)
[08:32] <luca> oh thx :D
[08:34] <max_> luca: do you need help installing beryl?
[08:41] <blackflag> Im trying to get the apche2-perl module running. So I installed libapache2-mod-perl2 and doing a2enmod but can not find a perl modul
[08:41] <blackflag> where is it?
[08:41] <blackflag> can somone help?
[08:43] <cntb> viva mexico RealisticDragon
[08:44] <RealisticDragon> im english ;P but i agree with the sentiment :)
[08:46] <ernz> Hi everyone.
[08:47] <ernz> Does someone know of a way to make windows remember their position and dimensions on re-opening?
[08:47] <RealisticDragon> i thought it was like that by default?
[08:48] <cntb> kubuntu does it KDE does it
[08:48] <ernz> Mine doesn't...
[08:48] <cntb> default does it
[08:49] <ernz> This is a clean install.
[08:49] <RealisticDragon> odd :)
[08:49] <RealisticDragon> maybe theres a WM setting that got flipped somewhere
[08:49] <teja_> guys,how to operate knoppix and kubuntu`s opperation in the same time ....
[08:50] <The_Machine> how to make yahoo mail my default mail in kubuntu?  :)
[08:53] <xfreex> www.davetsiz.org
[08:53] <teja_> guys,how to operate knoppix and kubuntu`s opperation in the same time ....how realistic??
[08:53] <xfreex> www.davetsiz.orgwww.davetsiz.orgwww.davetsiz.orgwww.davetsiz.orgwww.davetsiz.orgwww.davetsiz.orgwww.davetsiz.orgwww.davetsiz.orgwww.davetsiz.orgwww.davetsiz.orgwww.davetsiz.orgwww.davetsiz.orgwww.davetsiz.orgwww.davetsiz.orgwww.davetsiz.orgwww.davetsiz.orgwww.davetsiz.orgwww.davetsiz.orgwww.davetsiz.orgwww.davetsiz.orgwww.davetsiz.orgwww.davetsiz.org
[08:53] <xfreex> www.davetsiz.org www.davetsiz.org www.davetsiz.org www.davetsiz.org www.davetsiz.org www.davetsiz.org www.davetsiz.org www.davetsiz.org
[08:54] <RealisticDragon> teja_: you can have both installed, and there are a number of ways to run both at once
[08:54] <xfreex> slm
[08:54] <xfreex> hi
[08:55] <teja_> thanx
[08:55] <max_> anyone use Beyl?
[08:55] <max_> Beryl8
[08:57] <teja_> what is it??max
[08:57] <RealisticDragon> !beryl
[08:57] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[08:57] <RealisticDragon> that ;)
[08:57] <fabio_> someone can help me with toshiba a100-925 and omnibook module?
[08:57] <max_> how do you update beryl from the svn and get all the svn plugins?
[09:05] <teja_> thanx guys..see you
[09:08] <max_> how do i install a deb?
[09:08] <RealisticDragon> !dpkg
[09:08] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[09:08] <RealisticDragon> you need to use that :)
[09:09] <filthgrinder> Hi, how do I uninstall a driver that I have compiled from source?
[09:09] <RealisticDragon> dkpkg -i whatever.deb if i remember right
[09:09] <max_> ok
[09:09] <max_> thanks
[09:09] <RealisticDragon> filthgrinder: modprobe -r drivername
[09:09] <filthgrinder> thanks :)
[09:09] <banjooie> Alright, I am retarded and I have somehow lost my sound.
[09:09] <banjooie> lspci finds the sound card.
[09:10] <banjooie> Amarok knows there's sound, no programs complain about it.
[09:10] <banjooie> The headphones I'm using work.
[09:10] <RealisticDragon> checked the levels with alsamixer? (console app)
[09:11] <filthgrinder> and how do I "unmount" a driver..?
[09:11] <banjooie> The master's set to near full, and I can't see what else is down that would need to be putup
[09:11] <RealisticDragon> thats what modprobe -r does
[09:11] <RealisticDragon> it unloads it from the kernel
[09:11] <filthgrinder> hmm
[09:11] <RealisticDragon> nothing is set to mute banjooie?
[09:12] <banjooie> Not that I can see.
[09:12] <RealisticDragon> tried restarting the sound system? something like /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[09:12] <banjooie> I've rebooted my entire computer already.
[09:12] <filthgrinder> $ sudo modprobe -r snd
[09:12] <filthgrinder> FATAL: Module snd is in use.
[09:12] <filthgrinder> o0
[09:12] <RealisticDragon> something is using it then >:)
[09:13] <filthgrinder> well... no :(
[09:13] <filthgrinder> because when I started my computer today, I had no sound at all
[09:13] <filthgrinder> seems like -something- has been screwed up really bad
[09:13] <filthgrinder> when I do dmesg I get loads of errors from the sound driver
[09:14] <filthgrinder> unknown symbols and what not :s
[09:14] <RealisticDragon> doesnt sound good
[09:14] <filthgrinder> sure doesn't :s
[09:14] <filthgrinder> I'm suspecting that MAYBE the compiler used the wrong kernel headers when I compiled it
[09:15] <sampo-> I've got /dev/sdb4 for /boot -area. How do I move /boot from root to sdb4?
[09:15] <nuxil> So anyone around that has played with Kommander ? kmdr
[09:15] <filthgrinder> cus my current kernel is 2.6.17-10-generic, but I also have k.h. for 2.6.17-10 in my /usr/src
[09:16] <banjooie> ....So, uh, besides alsamixer
[09:16] <banjooie> Any other ideas?
[09:16] <RealisticDragon> not off the top of my head, sorry
[09:17] <banjooie> Alright, thanks
[09:18] <filthgrinder> banjooie: I've had kinda the same problem, just that my mic didn't work (I got sound on the speakers, but no output when I used i.e. Krec. Try googling it, there are LOADS of howtos and troubleshooters for sound problems..
[09:18] <caseyomah> I have Main Panel and another Panel loaded and Configure Panels claims I have Main Panel and a Dock Application Bar.
[09:18] <filthgrinder> imho the sound structure in linux kinda sucks :/
[09:19] <syntaxx> is there a shortcut ket to change desktop to 1 and so on?
[09:19] <filthgrinder> there are like 253 different mixers, and not all are doing what they claim, and even if you turn "sound system" OFF in system settings, i.e. amarok still plays with no problem
[09:22] <filthgrinder> RealisticDragon: can the fact that I installed VMware last night have anything to do with the matter?
[09:23] <filthgrinder> everything was working just fine back then..
[09:23] <RealisticDragon> it might do, vmware inserts a kernel module i think?
[09:24] <filthgrinder> might be, I dunno. I just installed it so that I can try installing winXP through it when I physically remove it from my computer
[09:25] <Party> why doesn't my bash-script run in /Autostart at bootup? It is executable.. Any ideas please?
[09:25] <STD> I need some help D:
[09:26] <STD> 1) Does anyone know how to turn on pixel hinting? And 2) I can't read my DVD-RWs that i need with all my music on them x_X
[09:26] <RealisticDragon> sub pixel hinting can be set under fonts int he control panel
[09:27] <RealisticDragon> apperance>fonts>configure
[09:27] <STD> Ah thanks. Hopefully that helps.
[09:28] <Party> hm got a new kopete in the repositories today.. but there's no sign of 0.12.3 anywhere on the web?
[09:28] <Party> weirdness
[09:28] <STD> So nobody knows how I can get my DVD-RWs to read D:
[09:29] <RealisticDragon> hmm well they should read ok std
[09:30] <RealisticDragon> the drive reads normal DVDs no problem?
[09:30] <STD> Yeah.
[09:30] <buchan__> Is there a way to convert to regular Ubuntu in Kubuntu?
[09:30] <STD> I used drag-and drop kinda thing to put all my stuff on them in window.s
[09:30] <STD> :/
[09:30] <RealisticDragon> buchan__: install kubuntu-desktop
[09:30] <STD> And now when I go to open the dvd it doesn't show any files D:
[09:30] <RealisticDragon> the package in the repo
[09:30] <buchan__> RealisticDragon: Other way around
[09:31] <zetaz> holA
[09:31] <buchan__> Kubuntu to Ubuntu.
[09:31] <RealisticDragon> you want to go to ubuntu? then install ubuntu-desktop
[09:31] <buchan__> Naturally :)
[09:31] <buchan__> Thanks
[09:31] <RealisticDragon> np
[09:31] <zetaz> hellow fron spain
[09:31] <RealisticDragon> hi zetaz
[09:31] <zetaz> hi
[09:31] <kaajavilinux> hi
[09:31] <filthgrinder> why would anybody switch away from KDE :s
[09:31] <RealisticDragon> STD: does your windows software use some wierd packet writing system?
[09:31] <kaajavilinux> alguien habla en espaol?
[09:31] <zetaz> sorry for may bad english
[09:32] <RealisticDragon> !es
[09:32] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[09:32] <kn3> !fr
[09:32] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:32] <kaajavilinux> thank
[09:32] <filthgrinder> !no
[09:32] <ubotu> Hvis du vil diskutere Ubuntu paa norsk, venligst gaa til #ubuntu-no. Takk!
[09:32] <kn3> :)
[09:32] <STD> RealisticDragon: it might D: You usually have to make the disk compatible before reading on other drives. But I figured it was the same drive so it would work >_>
[09:32] <RealisticDragon> its probably the driver thats funky not the hardware ;)
[09:32] <RealisticDragon> linux can hndle standard multisession disks fine but im not sure what packet write formats it can read
[09:33] <RealisticDragon> maybe you can read the disk via k3b?
[09:33] <STD> What's that?
[09:33] <snama> i dont like the Gnome version of Ubuntu
[09:33] <RealisticDragon> cd/dvd writing software
[09:33] <STD> I am a ubuntu n00b D:
[09:33] <RealisticDragon> alt-space k3b to run it :)
[09:33] <STD> is k3b on here by default?
[09:33] <RealisticDragon> yup
[09:33] <snama> its nice being a noob
[09:33] <snama> learn stuff
[09:34] <snama> iam a noob
[09:34] <STD> Hmm Ima try that
[09:34] <snama> i learn everyday about linux
[09:35] <STD> Nah K3b isn't reading it either ;-;
[09:35] <RealisticDragon> might need to finalise the disk then :o
[09:35] <Macris> hi guys...
[09:35] <STD> I can't >_>
[09:35] <snama> hey
[09:35] <RealisticDragon> ah, windows has already gone? :/
[09:35] <STD> Yeah
[09:35] <snama> maybe you burned it without the ridge rock
[09:35] <STD> and I cant' even get it back with system restore
[09:35] <Macris> i need o video editing tool for kde any ideas?
[09:35] <STD> because of grub
[09:35] <snama> maybe you burned it without the ridge rock,
[09:36] <Macris> i cant get cinelerra easily installed
[09:36] <snama> if iam right Unix systems cant read without ridge rock extensions
[09:36] <STD> RealisticDragon:  http://foodfight.org/log/Misc/how-to-get-rid-of-grub I tried using the method he showed in there but I'm not exaclty sure how to do it
[09:37] <Rob-West> i need help
[09:37] <Rob-West> VMware workstation cant find
[09:37] <Rob-West> rpm -U --replacepkgs  '///home/robert/Desktop/VMware-workstation-5.5.3-34685.i386.rpm';echo RESULT=$?
[09:37] <Rob-West> error: Failed dependencies:
[09:37] <Rob-West> 	/bin/sh is needed by VMwareWorkstation-5.5.3-34685.i386
[09:37] <Rob-West> woops
[09:37] <snama> go on
[09:38] <Rob-West> heres the problem
[09:38] <Rob-West> rpm -U --replacepkgs  '///home/robert/Desktop/VMware-workstation-5.5.3-34685.i386.rpm';echo RESULT=$?
[09:38] <Rob-West> error: Failed dependencies:
[09:38] <Rob-West> 	/bin/sh is needed by VMwareWorkstation-5.5.3-34685.i386
[09:38] <snama> hehe you dont have the libraries needed to install that
[09:38] <Rob-West> it cant find /bin/sh
[09:38] <snama> does it say what is missing?
[09:38] <Rob-West> no
[09:38] <snama> i mean what package
[09:39] <Rob-West> how do i install the libraries
[09:39] <snama> hey w8 a sec
[09:39] <snama> if that is RPM you have the wrong package
[09:39] <snama> ubuntu doesnt use RPM
[09:39] <snama> its Debian based and therefor uses DEB packages
[09:40] <Rob-West> KPackage will install .rpm packages
[09:40] <snama> but it sounds very strange
[09:40] <snama> you sure?
[09:40] <Rob-West> yes
[09:40] <snama> k
[09:40] <Rob-West> i need to install the libraries i guess
[09:41] <snama> well its the dependencies you need, its easier to install some apps from source
[09:41] <snama> bcoz then you get to know what you need when you ./configure
[09:41] <caseyomah> I found a workaround for my docking issue, I put a panel under the app and set the app always on top.
[09:41] <Rob-West> how do i install dependencies
[09:42] <snama> but i think its best for you if you get the DEB version of the package if it is possible
[09:42] <Rob-West> its not
[09:42] <Rob-West> unless i use alien to convert it
[09:42] <caseyomah> alien does dependancy checks.
[09:43] <snama> yea
[09:43] <snama> then you should know
[09:43] <pielgrzym> !pastebin
[09:43] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:43] <snama> what to install in order to install then thing you want t install
[09:43] <filthgrinder> RealisticDragon: you're right, VMware DID come with its own kernel headers.. I removed vmware now and am recompiling the drivers
[09:43] <filthgrinder> hopefullt it'll work again :] 
[09:43] <refus3d> please direct me website where i can learn about changing themes in KDE
[09:44] <caseyomah> !kde-theme
[09:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kde-theme - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:44] <caseyomah> Grr. lol
[09:44] <snama> it should stand how to compile the themes in the readme's you get with the themes
[09:44] <ollie> !jack
[09:44] <ubotu> jack: Rip and encode CDs with one command. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.1.1+cvs20050801-11 (edgy), package size 125 kB, installed size 580 kB
[09:44] <ollie> :P
[09:44] <filthgrinder> !jackoff
[09:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jackoff - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:44] <filthgrinder> hrrhrr
[09:44] <snama> lol
[09:44] <refus3d> dues!!
[09:45] <snama> !hey whats up
[09:45] <ollie> im having problems with jack on kubuntu amd64...
[09:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hey whats up - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:45] <ollie> can i get support here or is this not a support chan?
[09:45] <STD> !GRUB uninstall
[09:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about GRUB uninstall - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:45] <ollie> oh wait it seems it is lol
[09:45] <snama> it should be a support channel
[09:45] <halter73> you can get support ollie
[09:46] <snama> thats the fine thing about communities
[09:46] <snama> you get help from kind people
[09:46] <ollie> :)
[09:46] <ollie> ive got an issue with jack audio connection kit
[09:46] <halter73> ok
[09:46] <ollie> i run qjackctl
[09:47] <ollie> and i get these errors
[09:47] <ollie> wait il pastebin them holdon
[09:47] <refus3d> dudes how do i use themes manager
[09:47] <Rob-West> how do i get /bin/sh back
[09:48] <Rob-West> or will i need to reload Kubuntu
[09:48] <refus3d> !dekorator
[09:48] <ubotu> dekorator: KDE theme manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2fix1-1 (edgy), package size 75 kB, installed size 296 kB
[09:48] <halter73> the kde theme manager? Rob-West
[09:48] <Rob-West> no
[09:48] <Rob-West> its a directory
[09:49] <refus3d> does any one use dekorat?
 go to konsole and run kcontrol, go to appearence and theme manager
[09:49] <ollie> doh.. just realised what i did
[09:49] <Rob-West> ill dig out my Kubuntu cd
[09:50] <ollie> i installed jack as opposed to jackd with apt
[09:50] <ollie> haha
[09:50] <ollie> cheers anyway guys.
[09:50] <halter73> or you could just go to System -> appearance Rob-West
[09:51] <snama> halter sorry but theme manager is not in the system setting in kubuntu
[09:51] <Rob-West> its not the friggen theme crap
[09:51] <snama> you need to run kcontrol
[09:51] <snama> its the default srttings manager in KDE
[09:52] <snama> Kmenu > run command > kcontrol
[09:52] <snama> or konsole > kcontrol
[09:53] <mildner> nabend#
[09:53] <snama> rob west you found it?
[09:53] <Macris> !video editing
[09:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about video editing - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:54] <Macris> !video
[09:54] <ubotu> For multimedia codecs see: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html and for applications see this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[09:55] <snama> iam so tired i think i will go to sleep now
[09:55] <snama> i hate getting up in the morning
[09:56] <snama> goodbye everone
[09:58] <Ace2016> hi all
[09:58] <Ace2016> does kubuntu have a startup service manager?
[09:59] <RealisticDragon> yes, its under advanced on the control panel
[09:59] <refus3d> how do i start dekorator
[09:59] <mango12> hello
[09:59] <refus3d> it isnt "dekorator"
[09:59] <mango12> how can i edit the package sources to get kernel-source by apt-get? :)
[10:01] <banjooie> I fixed my sound.
[10:01] <refus3d> dudes
[10:01] <banjooie> It was the fucking analog/digital switch.
[10:01] <refus3d> come on how to i start dekorator
[10:03] <Ace2016> does kubuntu have a startup service manager?
[10:04] <The_Machine> Ace2016:  i'm so confused about KDE startup
[10:04] <The_Machine> i mean
[10:04] <The_Machine> supposedly in home/user/.kde/Autostart
[10:04] <The_Machine> if you have anything in there they will autostart
[10:04] <The_Machine> so make a link to that dir if you want it to load
[10:04] <The_Machine> when it comes to making things NOT load
[10:04] <The_Machine> i have some stuff in there that is loading that isn't in there
[10:04] <The_Machine> and aren't services
[10:04] <The_Machine> and i dont' get it.
[10:05] <steveire> is there a channel apart from kate, kde-devel, kde that can answer this question: Is it possible to write kate plugins with python, or is c++ neccessary?
[10:05] <apokryphos> steveire: my brother's actually working on making kate scritable with python, so stay tuned :)
[10:06] <steveire> apokryphos: hmmm, what do you mean scriptable? And who is your brother?
[10:06] <Macris> The_Machine: could it be something to do with kde sessions?
[10:07] <The_Machine> Macris - sorry, not sure what you mean..
[10:07] <apokryphos> steveire: pluginable. He's develops for kde, though he generally works with kde-accessibility. His irc nick is Cerulean
[10:07] <apokryphos> s/He's/He/
[10:07] <Macris> as i recall kde loads the last session while you login
[10:08] <steveire> apokryphos: ah, right. Useful. I'll keep that in mind. It'll be a while before I can give it any time anyway.
[10:09] <Macris> so if u live some apps running while shutdown the pc, they will autostart the next time you login
[10:09] <Macris> sorry my english its bee a while... live=leave
[10:11] <mindspin> my keyboard is messed after hal-update any hint? I have to push the buttons for about a second to show up
[10:11] <digitalfreedom> how can i get hydra? i tried to add a repos for it and it keeps crashing synaptic..so i deleted the repos listing
[10:22] <niblets> how do copy song from a CD onto my computer, then turn them into MP3?
[10:23] <niblets> im on Kubuntu edgy
[10:24] <mildner> kann mir jemand etwas zur neuinstallation von kbuntu sagen
[10:24] <steveire> !de
[10:24] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:25] <steveire> vas eest dine probe Lem?
[10:25] <mildner> is it english here
[10:25] <steveire> mildner: Yes.
[10:26] <Guardian> hi
[10:26] <Guardian> kde won't start anymore
[10:26] <Guardian> failsafe login works
[10:26] <steveire> hmmm,
[10:26] <Guardian> which log file should i check
[10:26] <steveire> You install beryl?
[10:26] <steveire> or anything else new?
[10:26] <Guardian> was installed previously
[10:26] <mildner> ok is anybody able to tell me something to newinstallation especially partition of the harddisk
[10:26] <Guardian> did not touch the box for a week
[10:26] <Goliath23> niblets: use KAudioCreator
[10:26] <Guardian> beryl is installed
[10:26] <Guardian> but not started automatically
[10:27] <steveire> Guardian: And now what happens? Do you get a text login prompt?
[10:27] <steveire> mildner: What is the question?
[10:27] <Guardian> i can login using the failsafe session
[10:27] <Guardian> then i can even launch beryl-manager and it works
[10:27] <Guardian> startkde won't
[10:27] <Goliath23> also: if you insert an audio cd a pop up window should appear where you can select the action that starts kaudiocrator
[10:27] <Guardian> it kills xserver
[10:28] <mildner> sorry I have to leave......
[10:28] <mildner> thank you
[10:28] <digitalfreedom> xf86config guardian
[10:28] <mildner> sorry
[10:28] <digitalfreedom> i think
[10:28] <Guardian> well i removed all fancy stuff in xorg.conf
[10:28] <steveire> Guardian: Oh, so you can see kdm? I don't think I can help.
[10:28] <Guardian> yeah i can see kdm
[10:28] <niblets> Goliath23: Thanks,
[10:28] <Guardian> i can log using failsafe session
[10:28] <digitalfreedom> whats a good repos for hydra
[10:29] <Guardian> from failsafe session i can even start beryl
[10:29] <steveire> niblets: Put in the cd, open konqueror, and go to audiocd:/
[10:29] <steveire> Then just copy and paste from whichever format you want
[10:29] <Guardian> but startkde will just kill the x server just before i would be able to use it
[10:29] <Goliath23> steveire: yes, another possibility, very nice one :)
[10:29] <Guardian> i have nothing in my Autostart folder
[10:29] <Goliath23> but I think you have to start kaudiocreator once to select a codec
[10:30] <Guardian> how can i remove session settings ?
[10:30] <steveire> Goliath23: Very. I wouldn't use KAudioCreator myself after finding that.
[10:30] <steveire> ah.
[10:30] <steveire> Guardian: Sorry, I don't know. Can you create a new session? Or create a new user and log in with that?
[10:30] <Goliath23> at least it was like that a few minor versions ago
[10:31] <Guardian> i just removed .kde
[10:31] <Guardian> it works now
[10:31] <Guardian> weird
[10:31] <niblets> steveire: That sounds easier.
[10:31] <niblets> I will see if I can manage that little amount of work
[10:31] <steveire> Guardian: And, yet, it makes a bit of sense.
[10:32] <niblets> steveire: Yea, I'm lost
[10:32] <mindspin> my keyboard is totally messed up since an update (hal) today
[10:32] <mindspin>  I have to push the buttons for a second to show up
[10:32] <steveire> niblets: ?
[10:32] <mindspin> now I started konversation from filesafe to be able to type
[10:33] <Goliath23> niblets: for mp3 you have to choose the lame encoder. make sure you have that installed using adept..
[10:33] <niblets> I opened the audio cd window, but it came up and said "could not get CDDB information
[10:33] <Goliath23> just start adept, search for lame and install.
[10:34] <niblets> ohk
[10:34] <steveire> cddb is a database that will get the names of your songs automatically.
[10:35] <Goliath23> niblets: the program tries to get CDDB information (track and artist name and so on) .. those information is mostly found on original audio cds if it's a burned one, it wont be able to download any matching info
[10:35] <Goliath23> so the files it will create will be named "Track1" and so on
[10:35] <digitalfreedom> Goliath23: yes
[10:35] <niblets> I am in adept, there are about 15 results for lame, do I get them all?
[10:36] <Goliath23> no
[10:36] <Goliath23> just the package that is named "lame"
[10:36] <niblets> "aint an MP3 encoder" one?
[10:36] <Goliath23> right
[10:36] <niblets> cool
[10:36] <niblets> applying..
[10:36] <Goliath23> don't let the name fool you :)
[10:36] <niblets> I know that much with Linux
[10:37] <niblets> so its installed, what do I do now?
[10:37] <Goliath23> after that: 1. open konqueror 2. type "audiocd:/" (without ") in the adressbar and hit enter 3. navigate to the MP3 folder 4. copy the mp3 files to the harddisk
[10:39] <niblets> An error occurred while loading audiocd:/:
[10:39] <Goliath23> niblets: you could also start Kaudiocreator from the multimedia section in your start menu. but I find using konqueror better. the audiocd:/ protocol gives you a list of virtual files in different formats that you just need to copy
[10:39] <Goliath23> niblets: any information on the error?
[10:39] <Rob-West> im downloading a Kubuntu DVD
[10:40] <eilker> i see my desktop in 2 minutes 45 seconds, dual boot xp and kubuntu, i have lamp,ftp,dhcp,samba,cups,vmware,dns servers, is it normal ?
[10:40] <niblets> When I put in the cd, it started audioCD by itself, and I selected LAME as the encoder. But I cant find how to start teh encoding and copying
[10:40] <Goliath23> niblets: make sure you have the package "kdemultimedia-kio-plugins" installed.
[10:40] <niblets> Goliath23: How do I do that?
[10:41] <niblets> Wait, im in kaudiocreater
[10:41] <Goliath23> niblets: start adept, type in a part of the name, check results..
[10:41] <niblets> kk
[10:41] <niblets> yup
[10:41] <niblets> installed
[10:41] <Goliath23> strange
[10:42] <niblets> how do I drive Kaudiocreator?
[10:42] <Goliath23> wait
[10:42] <Goliath23> did you type audiocd:/ or audiocd:/: ??
[10:42] <Goliath23> try the first version
[10:43] <Goliath23> in konqueror
[10:43] <niblets> will do
[10:43] <niblets> An error occurred while loading audiocd:/
[10:43] <niblets> Could not read .
[10:43] <jontec> why is the package libgems-ruby1.8 not avaliable for amd64? My other kubuntu computer can find it, but this one can't... T_T
[10:44] <jontec> !libgems-ruby1.8
[10:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libgems-ruby1.8 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:44] <niblets> Its strangee, I have Kaudiocreator running, and it reads the cd, and shows teh tracks, I just cant rip them
[10:44] <Ace2016> How do i edit the startup services? the ones which start when the computer is started and the blue kubuntu logo is there with the thin progress bar
[10:44] <Goliath23> niblets: isn't there a gear to click on?
[10:44] <jontec> huh? I have it listed as a package on my other computer right now
[10:44] <STD> Can someone help me x_X I'm trying to reinstall my windows using my system restore DVD but grub does't let me boot into windows once everything is all formated and windows is installed D:
[10:44] <jontec> !rubygems
[10:44] <ubuntu_> ok, i have problem with the partioner
[10:45] <niblets> There is, but when I click it I get 13 errors saying "could not read /dev/cdrom
[10:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rubygems - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:45] <jontec> T_T why are all of the ruby packages missing!?!
[10:45] <steveire> STD: Reboot with the windows cd, and get ino recovery mode. Then restore the MBR
[10:45] <jontec> !ruby
[10:45] <ubotu> ruby: An interpreter of object-oriented scripting language Ruby. In component main, is optional. Version 1.8.2-1 (edgy), package size 18 kB, installed size 96 kB
[10:45] <Ace2016> nevermind kcontrol has a module for it, i'll try it
[10:46] <Goliath23> Ace2016: and if that doesn't work, read "man update-rc.d" on how to do it using the command line
[10:46] <steveire> STD: Get that one?
[10:46] <dettoaltrimenti> before I mount a device, is it under the same name in the folder /dev? for instance, if a mounted device is /media/ipod, would you mount it by typing 'mount /dev/ipod'?
[10:46] <frank___> !flash
[10:46] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:46] <Goliath23> niblets: hmmm
[10:46] <steveire> mount /dev/ipod /media/ipod I think.
[10:46] <niblets> its not a copied cd either.
[10:47] <dettoaltrimenti> and eject /media/ipod right?
[10:47] <frank___> anyone know a repository for the latest flash 9 beta?
[10:47] <crimsun_> use -backports
[10:48] <STD> steveire: I don't have windows cd I only have the system recovery dvd that came with my computer
[10:48] <steveire> dettoaltrimenti: I thought umount /dev/ipod/ I've not had to use mount in a long time though
[10:48] <steveire> STD: That should do.
[10:48] <Goliath23> niblets: did you try another cd? do you have problems accessing data cds on your pc?
[10:48] <STD> When I boot from the restore dvd it just asks me if I want to restore my computer to factory defaults D:
[10:48] <steveire> I think there's something about a recovery console
[10:48] <niblets> Goliath23: I'll ry another CD now, but I dont have problems with data cds
[10:49] <STD> After I restore it to factory defaults and install windows when it asks me to reboot to finish grub comes up and gives me an error
[10:49] <Ace2016> Whats kde-guidance? its running on startup
[10:49] <Ace2016> Description: collection of KDE system administration tools for GNU/Linux
[10:49] <frank___> crimsun_: thanks I didn't even think of checking backports
[10:49] <ollie> !jackd
[10:49] <ubotu> jackd: JACK Audio Connection Kit (server and example clients). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.101.1-1 (edgy), package size 94 kB, installed size 352 kB
[10:50] <steveire> STD: You may be able to get a program to restore the windows MBR. Google for it. The problem is that Grub is in your MBR instead of the windows bootloader.
[10:50] <dettoaltrimenti> can anyone give me some help getting my ipod to work with amarok? I don't really even know where to begin.
[10:50] <niblets> It must be the cd, my other one worked
[10:50] <STD> I know I can get a grub boot disk to let me back into windows but I don't know how to make it.
[10:50] <Goliath23> niblets: glad to hear that. did you try audiocd:/ now as well?
[10:50] <Goliath23> I bet you'll like it more.
[10:50] <steveire> dettoaltrimenti: Settings > Media devices or something. Add device
[10:51] <niblets> no, I just used the kaudiocreator which starts up automatically in KDE Daemon
[10:51] <Goliath23> niblets: ok, stop it and try the audiocd:/ protocol, its an order! :)
[10:51] <STD> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Making-a-GRUB-bootable-CD-ROM.html <--- Where Do I use the commands in that walkthrough, I tried in the konsole but it doesn't do anything D:
[10:51] <niblets> Why is that?
[10:51] <niblets> same error
[10:51] <steveire> STD: If that was your solution, you'd need the disk each time you booted. You want to restore the windows bootloader to the MBR
[10:52] <Goliath23> hmmmm
[10:52] <Goliath23> maybe you're still missing a package
[10:52] <niblets> I blame yoi
[10:52] <niblets> *you
[10:52] <niblets> =P
[10:52] <Goliath23> :)
[10:53] <Goliath23> check if kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins is installed..
[10:53] <niblets> kk
[10:53] <niblets> I have to stop cloing Adept
[10:53] <STD> steveire: It told me to use that in a walkthrough I was reading and then changing the settings once back into windows D:
[10:53] <Ace2016> rsync is running on startup, can i disable it?
[10:53] <Ace2016> isn't that a gentoo app?
[10:53] <Goliath23> yes :)
[10:53] <STD> And the only bootloaders I could find for windows were floppy disk ones ;o
[10:54] <steveire> oh, ok. Just put the files on a cd
[10:54] <Goliath23> Ace2016: rsync is just a tool to syncronize files with minimum overhead.
[10:54] <STD> so if I can get one to boot dos then I can just type in windows and it should work?
[10:54] <niblets> kfiel is indeed installed
[10:55] <niblets> *file
[10:55] <Goliath23> niblets: okay, you know what? I don't know! :)
[10:55] <niblets> Smae here
[10:55] <chupa-chups> any one here know about python
[10:55] <steveire> STD: http://www.novell.com/documentation/suse91/suselinux-adminguide/html/ch07s05.html First google hit. I'm sure there's more appropriate ones to your situation
[10:55] <niblets> Damn, all I can listen to is my other 11GB of music =P
[10:56] <steveire> chupa-chups: What is your quest?
[10:56] <Goliath23> doesn't kaudiocreator work now?
[10:56] <chupa-chups> i am a bigginer
[10:56] <dettoaltrimenti> what is the preconnect and postconnect commands for the ipod in amarok?
[10:56] <Ace2016> Goliath23: why is it running on startup? does it do something on startup?
[10:57] <PsiKloPx> Can someone recommend a good newsreader?
[10:57] <chupa-chups> i have a code calculate area of 3 shapes , i have error i cant explain
[10:57] <niblets> It does, but not for the first cd
[10:57] <Goliath23> Ace2016: I bet it does something, if it runs! if you don't know exactly what it does, better leave it in there.
[10:57] <steveire> chupa-chups: What are the shapes? Do any of them work?
[10:57] <chupa-chups> could u plz chek the code
[10:57] <chupa-chups> look
[10:58] <steveire> Don't paste it here
[10:58] <steveire> Use a pastebin
[10:58] <chupa-chups> #filename:areas.py
[10:58] <chupa-chups> i=int(raw_input('''choose the shpe :
[10:58] <steveire> Don't paste it here
[10:58] <chupa-chups> 1- circle
[10:58] <steveire> Don't paste it here
[10:58] <chupa-chups> 2- square
[10:58] <ollie> hi, anyone good with ardour & jack?
[10:58] <chupa-chups> 3-rectangle
[10:58] <steveire> chupa-chups:
[10:58] <chupa-chups>  : '''))
[10:58] <steveire> Don't paste it here
[10:58] <chupa-chups> if i==1 :
[10:58] <chupa-chups>     r=int(raw_input('enter the radius of the circle : ' ))
[10:58] <chupa-chups>     premeterc = 2*3.14*r
[10:59] <ollie> i cant get my m-audop delta 66 to record in ardour
[10:59] <chupa-chups>     areac = 3.14*r*r
[10:59] <ollie> but it works in audacity
[10:59] <chupa-chups>     j=int(raw_input('''enter your choice of  :
[10:59] <steveire> chupa-chups: Stop!
[10:59] <Party> i love drugs
[10:59] <chupa-chups>     a-  premeter
[10:59] <steveire> !ircops
[10:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ircops - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:59] <chupa-chups>     b-  area : '''))
[10:59] <chupa-chups>     if j == a :
[10:59] <steveire> bah!
[10:59] <chupa-chups>         print "premeter is : ",premeterc
[10:59] <steveire> !cops
[10:59] <chupa-chups>     elif j == b :
[10:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cops - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:59] <PsiKloPx> anyone recommend a good newsreader?
[10:59] <chupa-chups>         print "area is : ",areac
[10:59] <steveire> What's the command I'm looking for?
[10:59] <Party> if a=="d-" else return
[10:59] <steveire> gnomefreak:
[11:00] <Party> b-area. int "hello world"
[11:00] <Ace2016> Goliath23: thanks
[11:00] <Party> lol
[11:00] <gnomefreak> steveire: ?
[11:00] <niblets> Goliath23: I tihkn I know the problem
[11:00] <Goliath23> niblets: what is it
[11:00] <Goliath23> ?
[11:00] <steveire> gnomefreak: Sorry, for future ref, what's the bot command to get irccops?
[11:00] <gnomefreak> steveire: !ops
[11:00] <chupa-chups> sorry
[11:01] <chupa-chups> how can i send it to u
[11:01] <chupa-chups> ok
[11:01] <steveire> gnomefreak: Thanks
[11:01] <gnomefreak> yw
[11:01] <chupa-chups> sorry
[11:01] <chupa-chups> ???
[11:01] <Goliath23> chupa-chups: use a "pastebin"
[11:01] <niblets> I'm probably wrong, but the default CD drive thats mounted (I have two) is the other one
[11:01] <chupa-chups> how
[11:01] <chupa-chups> iam beginner
[11:02] <steveire> chupa-chups: Did you not see me saying don't post it here many times?
[11:02] <Goliath23> chupa-chups: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastebin pastebins are used to share code without spamming the irc channel
[11:02] <lupul> can anyone tell me pls what i have to write in xorg.conf to make my ati radeon work better?
[11:02] <Goliath23> check this article, at the bottom you find links to pastebins you can use.
[11:02] <niblets> I think I am wrong
[11:02] <steveire> chupa-chups: Is the area "Cannot concatenate str and int objects"?
[11:02] <Goliath23> niblets: well, but that sounds reasonable
[11:02] <niblets> WAIT!!!! I AM RIGHT!!!!
[11:03] <niblets> it worked
[11:03] <Goliath23> niblets: it could well be the problem
[11:03] <Goliath23> yep
[11:03] <chupa-chups> look
[11:03] <Goliath23> audiocd:/ too?
[11:03] <niblets> The only problem is I dont knwo where kaudio rips them to
[11:03] <gpaterson> Hi all
[11:03] <lupul> !xorg.conf config
[11:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xorg.conf config - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:04] <Goliath23> niblets: does audiocd:/ work now in konqueror?
[11:04] <dettoaltrimenti> ok I got the ipod working on amarok... thanks guys
[11:04] <gpaterson> Any of you guys know much about PIM syncing?
[11:04] <niblets> Goliath23>yes
[11:04] <chupa-chups> there is an error occures in step of
[11:04] <chupa-chups>   j=int(raw_input('''enter your choice of  :
[11:04] <chupa-chups>     a-  premeter
[11:04] <chupa-chups>     b-  area : '''))
[11:05] <Goliath23> niblets: then use that, it's more comfortable I think. you can copy the whole mp3 folder.
[11:05] <niblets> But they arent MP3s by defeault
[11:05] <chupa-chups> sorry i cant deal with irc well , this is the only way to present my code if any of u have an idea to show in another place , say it
[11:06] <niblets> Goliath23: They are WAV files, and I dont know how to change them other then Kaudio
[11:06] <dettoaltrimenti> question: in konqueror, you type "/' to search for a term: is there any way to 'find next" with this, like in firefox?
[11:06] <Goliath23> chupa-chups: I described it a few lines above
[11:06] <Goliath23> 23:02]  <Goliath23> chupa-chups: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastebin pastebins are used to share code without spamming the irc channel
[11:06] <steveire> niblets: You should have folders like wav, mp3, ogg
[11:06] <steveire> dettoaltrimenti: f3
[11:06] <dettoaltrimenti> thanks
[11:06] <steveire> shift f3 is previous
[11:07] <jerp> chupa, it's posted in the channel notice when you enter so keep this under your hat; Large pastes go here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org |
[11:07] <niblets> yea, so I open them, and what?
[11:07] <steveire> copy+paste
[11:07] <Goliath23> niblets: copy them to your harddisk and they will materialize :)
[11:07] <steveire> You say it's wav files in each folder?
[11:08] <steveire> niblets: Don't copy all of them though, that's just wastage.
[11:08] <Goliath23> niblets: those a virtual files, they get encoded on the fly when you copy them
[11:08] <niblets> only MP3s
[11:08] <Goliath23> s/a/are
[11:08] <chupa-chups> goliath its german site i want english site plz
[11:08] <steveire> gpaterson: What is PIM synching?
[11:09] <gpaterson> kitchensync - that sort of thing
[11:09] <mango12> when i type /etc/init.d/pcmcia restart i get: "* Linux >= 2.6.13-rc1 requires pcmciautils instead of pcmcia-cs"
[11:09] <mango12> pcmciautils is installed
[11:09] <chupa-chups> steveire u didnt answer me yet
[11:09] <niblets> Goliath23: Well that's my one problem a day over.
[11:09] <ernz> HELP! :(
[11:10] <steveire> niblets: What was yesterdays problem?
[11:10] <ernz> There's always something, isn't ther?!
[11:10] <Goliath23> chupa-chups: sry. just go to http://pastebin.com/ and paste your code there and the url you get here...
[11:10] <mango12> someone know something about my problem? google dosnt help
[11:10] <niblets> steveire: Amarok cutting up my MP3s (not decoding the first 2min of about 4GB worth)
[11:10] <levi_> hi
[11:10] <steveire> hmmm
[11:10] <mango12> ive got pcmciautils in the newest version
[11:10] <levi_> for some reason i can log into samba shared folder
[11:10] <ernz> I have searched high and low for a way of mounting my Creative Zen Microphoto on Kubuntu and have found nothing useful. Can someone Pleaaase help me?
[11:11] <niblets> steveire: But that is fixed now
[11:11] <levi_> access denied
[11:11] <levi_> anyone have this problem?
[11:11] <levi_> mounting NTFS drive from windows comp to linux box on lan but access denied... any tips?
[11:12] <gpaterson> Does anyone know anyone who knows there way around kitchensync and kdebluetooth?
[11:12] <chupa-chups> goliath , i get there and i paste my code then what i have to do ???
[11:13] <Goliath23> chupa-chups: don't drive me mad please
[11:13] <ernz> gpaterson, I use KbluetoothD, that any use?
[11:13] <Goliath23> chupa-chups: you get a small link from that sites. post it here.
[11:13] <levi_> ive disabled firewall
[11:13] <chupa-chups> sorry but i told u iam new user of both irc , python
[11:13] <chupa-chups> ok ok thanx
[11:14] <Goliath23> chupa-chups: no offence :)
[11:14] <ernz> Zen Microphoto MTP device on Kubuntu, anyone help please?
[11:14] <gpaterson> ernz my device appears in KbluetoothD. Not all works 'tho
[11:15] <eilker> i see my desktop in 2 minutes 45 seconds, dual boot xp and kubuntu, i have lamp,ftp,dhcp,samba,cups,vmware,dns servers, is it normal ?
[11:15] <ernz> gpaterson, what are you trying to get to work?
[11:16] <gpaterson> PIM sync my mobile phone with Kontact ernz
[11:16] <niblets> Goliath23: Problem two for today, not so much of a problem, but I want to change something
[11:16] <Goliath23> shoot ;)
[11:17] <niblets> Is htere anyway to make it so Konqueror doesnt take ages to reconnect to the server everytime you click a link online?
[11:17] <niblets> Like, itll open a window, stay connected to the net, then go back to normal in like 5seconds
[11:17] <niblets> so everytime It goes to a new page, it reconnecys, refinds the site, then loads
[11:17] <niblets> it makes my 2mb net seem like idalup
[11:17] <niblets> *dial
[11:18] <Goliath23> really? that sound more like a slow dns server or a faulty one in your /etc/resolv.conf . for example if the first one isn't working, there is a timeout and the the second entry is queried.
[11:19] <niblets> So how do fix/solve this problem?
[11:19] <niblets> Or is it just un-fixable
[11:20] <Goliath23> I think the reconnecting behaviour is just normal. imagine every http client would like to maintain a connection to the every server it loads something from. all servers would be limited to 65535 connections or less.
[11:20] <niblets> thats a good point
[11:20] <Goliath23> no. you could try to use other dns-servers. do you get your dns servers from your provider via dhcp or do you type them in by hand?
[11:20] <niblets> but Firefox has no problem with it, nor windows internet explorer when im on windows
[11:20] <gpaterson> ernz thanks! goto go
[11:21] <ernz> gpaterson >> LMAO I just had the answer for him
[11:21] <niblets> So it cant be the ISP
[11:21] <Goliath23> niblets: maybe firefox does it's own dns caching. just a theory
[11:22] <niblets> hmm
[11:22] <niblets> could be
[11:22] <Goliath23> that would mean firefox would only be affected by the problem the first time a new server is accessed
[11:22] <niblets> yea, maybe I should just stick to firefox for webbrowsing
[11:22] <Goliath23> do you know how to use a command line editor on the konsole?
[11:22] <niblets> and konw for everything else
[11:22] <mike____> f
[11:23] <niblets> I know how to use the konsole and all that, but I dont know how to do a lot o stuff on it
[11:23] <niblets> only basics, like getting to graphics drivers (thanks Beryl) and mounting, unmounting things
[11:23] <Goliath23> can you edit text files in konsole?
[11:24] <niblets> pretty hazy on that one
[11:24] <niblets> D=
[11:24] <Goliath23> if yes: type sudo <insertyourfavouritetexteditingprogramhere> /etc/resolv.conf
[11:24] <mike____> hi guys when i do this command mysql> GRANT SELECT, INSERT, UPDATE, DELETE, CREATE, DROP, INDEX, ALTER, CREATE TEMPORARY TABLES, LOCK TABLES ON database1.* TO 'yourusername'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'yourpassword';  I get error ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'ON database1. *  TO 'mike'@'localho
[11:25] <niblets> "localho" that made me lol
[11:25] <Goliath23> enter your password. the file should contain at least two ip adresses at the top. change their order, to see if that's the problem
[11:25] <niblets> So, what text editor would I put there
[11:25] <niblets> I havent used a text editor on Linux since ever
[11:25] <Goliath23> kate maybe
[11:25] <steveire> try kdesu kate /etc/resolv.conf
[11:25] <Goliath23> yes!
[11:25] <steveire> not sudo
[11:25] <niblets> kk
[11:25] <niblets> why kdesu?
[11:26] <steveire> it's graphical sudo
[11:26] <niblets> ohk
[11:26] <steveire> apparently sudo kate breaks things
[11:26] <Goliath23> okay. I have to go to bed. good luck niblets!
[11:26] <Goliath23> cu all
[11:26] <niblets> Cheers, have a good sleep
[11:26] <steveire> nn
[11:26] <ubuntu> ok, i did more or less what was suggested. Now i have the error 15 when i point grub to the proper partition
[11:27] <niblets> resolve konfig came up
[11:27] <ubuntu> when i remove the two other disks i have error 21
[11:27] <niblets> *conf
[11:27] <steveire> niblets: What do you see?
[11:27] <steveire> ip addresses?
[11:27] <niblets> yup, two of them
[11:27] <niblets> 2.1 and 8.1
[11:27] <steveire> with nameserver inf front of them>
[11:28] <niblets> yup
[11:28] <steveire> they're not  ip addresses
[11:28] <niblets> Tricky tricky
[11:28] <ubuntu> i should have never bought an extra hard disk
[11:28] <steveire> ip addresses look like 192.168.2.2
[11:28] <niblets> well, yea, 192.168.2.1 and 192.168.8.1
[11:29] <steveire> ok. Goliath23 was saying to change the order of them. Give that a shot
[11:29] <niblets> so, what do I do, swap the 2.1 with 8.1
[11:29] <niblets> and vice cersa
[11:29] <niblets> versa
[11:29] <steveire> yes.
[11:29] <niblets> what is that going to do?
[11:30] <niblets> should I save it?
[11:30] <Ace2016> night all, bye
[11:31] <Goliath23> niblets: yes, save it
[11:31] <Goliath23> restart konqueror and try if its getting better
[11:31] <niblets> You are still around?
[11:31] <steveire> A nameserver holds a list of ip addresses and human readable hostnames. type host www.ubuntu.com to make a query to your nameserver. it looks ub the hostname you give it and it gives you back an ip address. Goliath23 thought that your computer is using a slow nameserver, and you should make another one default
[11:32] <Goliath23> although it looks like you have some router/modem device running at 192.168.2.1 that relays the dns reqests
[11:32] <niblets> that fully just broke my internet
[11:32] <steveire> niblets: Do you use knetworkmanager?
[11:32] <Goliath23> niblets: yep. just change it back and it will work again
[11:33] <niblets> ok
[11:33] <niblets> That didnt like it
[11:33] <niblets> steveire: no, I dont think so
[11:33] <Goliath23> you could surf to your ISPs website, search for their nameserver IPs and put them there to try it.
[11:34] <Goliath23> IF the dns server is the problem at all... just a wild guess
[11:34] <Goliath23> okay, have to go
[11:34] <niblets> I noticed the two IPS were my routers, I have a wireless connected to a normal, connected to the ISP router. So really I jsut swapped my wireless with my cabel, and vice versa
[11:34] <niblets> ohk, seeyou
[11:35] <niblets> *Ip addresses
[11:35] <niblets> not IPS
[11:35] <ubuntu> why is the installation giving me other /dev/location than the live cd, damit
[11:36] <ubuntu> (sorry, talking loud)
[11:36] <Rob-West> can someone help me setup my insternet
[11:36] <Rob-West> i just reinstalled Kubuntu
[11:36] <notech> niblets: what's the problem?
[11:37] <weedar> Does anyone know how I can discover the actual URL of a video stream? All I have atm is the ip and port, able to play it in vlc
[11:37] <nothlit> you also need to protocol?
[11:37] <niblets> notech: Just something I was trying to work out with another guy about DNS servers. But hes gone, and It's not too urgent, just a preference sort of thing
[11:37] <nothlit> its probably just http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:1234
[11:37] <notech> niblets: ok
[11:37] <weedar> nothlit: I know it's via http and that the file is asf format
[11:38] <nothlit> weedar, have you tried opening the playlist?
[11:38] <weedar> nothlit: to elaborate, I'm serving two video streams from a windows xp machine, but I want to record videos from the same stream. It's for a surveillance system
[11:38] <francis> hello
[11:39] <nothlit> weedar, just use vlc to open the stream and then click the checkbox for transcoding
[11:39] <francis> in my syslog file I have "
[11:39] <francis> Dec 14 23:15:43 fixe kdm_greet[4573] : Can't open default user face
[11:39] <francis> Dec 14 23:16:00 fixe kdm_greet[4573] : Internal error: memory corruption detected
[11:39] <francis> who can help me ?
[11:39] <niblets> Goodbye people, have a good day, the lot of you
[11:40] <francis> bye niblets
[11:40] <nothlit> weedar, just use vlc to save it
[11:41] <weedar> nothlit: my original plan was to use ffmpeg to record 1 hour long videos so I later can go back and see through the archives. ffmpeg needs a complete URL it would seem
[11:42] <nothlit> weedar, open the playlist in vlc
[11:42] <weedar> nothlit: also, the machine with ffmpeg does not have X installed to save resources
[11:42] <weedar> nothlit: I have, there is no file information
[11:42] <nothlit> weedar, or open the .asf with a text editor
[11:42] <nothlit> weedar, a lot of times opening the file can garner streaming info
[11:48] <weedar> nothlit: I'm unable to open the asf file, mostly because it seems vlc doesn't save the stream when I say to..
[11:49] <towync> hello
[11:50] <ubuntu> could there be any reason why the installer would forget to install the whole system and instead create an empty /home and /media/folders?
[11:50] <zazza> hi
[11:50] <towync> could someone compare/contrast KDE vs Gnome
[11:50] <towync> I know people say its personal preference, but that's not too much info lol
[11:50] <nothlit> weedar, wget http://address/file.asf?
[11:50] <nothlit> weedar, usually the asf is just a pointer
[11:51] <weedar> nothlit: sorry, I might have been unclear here..I have no idea what the filename is, all I've got is adress:port
[11:51] <nothlit> towync, this is a kubuntu channel, you'll get biased to kde
[11:51] <nothlit> weedar, wget address:port? see what happens?
[11:51] <weedar> nothlit: ah, good idea!
[11:52] <weedar> nothlit: I get a 400 error - "bad request"
[11:52] <nothlit> towync, kde, more flashy stuff, more configurability, gnome, simple, less confusing for the masses
[11:52] <nothlit> also themes seem easier in gnome
[11:53] <nothlit> weedar, =/ usually I would just experiment
[11:53] <nothlit> weedar, are you using windows media encoder ?
[11:53] <ubuntu> this is some weird shit, installed from live cd, nothing wrong, i reboot, not a single system file except /home on the system
[11:54] <weedar> nothlit: yes I am!
[11:54] <weedar> nothlit: I looked through all the settings in it but can't find what the filename is
[11:54] <nothlit> weedar, thats odd... i've used it before and opened stuff on multiple clients on both os's
[11:55] <nothlit> weedar, i remember being able to get more specific info
[11:55] <Ace2016> hi all
[11:55] <Ace2016> Anyone know about a gui defrag app that can show a nice map of the drive like in windows?
[11:55] <Ace2016> actual 14006, ideal 6006, fragmentation factor 57.12%  :(
[11:55] <weedar> nothlit: oh I'm able to open the stream itself and view it in vlc, but I'm basically stuck with using ffmpeg to record the video and it looks as if it doesn't understand the format when I exclude the asf-part of the URL
[11:55] <nothlit> noncontinguous you mean?
[11:56] <nothlit> weedar, no but i could get alternative addresses
[11:56] <nothlit> weedar, i could help you if i started a stream right now and tried it myself, but...
[11:56] <Ace2016> i just want to see where the fragmented stuff is on the disk
[11:56] <nothlit> weedar, anyways gl... it sounds odd that you can't get any more info
[11:56] <towync> nothlit yeah i already have kubuntu on
[11:57] <towync> nothlit is gnome easier to use then?
[11:57] <nothlit> weedar, have you tried opening capture devices and streaming from vlc instead then?
[11:57] <eilker> why do i get ip starting with 169.254.x.x ? dhcp problem ?
[11:57] <nothlit> towync, i suppose it could be less confusing
[11:57] <towync> nothlit there also seems to be much support for ubuntu at ubuntuforum.org and i have yet to find a kubuntu site by itself
[11:57] <towync> nothlit what does less confusing mean
[11:58] <weedar> nothlit: Hm, I'm unsure but I think I tried streaming with vlc but with not as much sucess as I got with the microsoft application (!)
[11:58] <nothlit> towync, just that, less options, places to go wrong, but if you like KDE theres no reason not to stick with it
[11:58] <eilker>  hi nothlit
[11:58] <eilker> sorry for leaving
[11:58] <nothlit> towync, you will probably miss some apps... i use neither anymore so..
[11:58] <weedar> towync: there is a kubuntuforums site, but there is also alot of people using kde on ubuntuforums :)
[11:59] <towync> nothlit what do u use
[11:59] <nothlit> eilker, oh anyways yeah bs=512 count=1 should work but some people like /dev/zero instead of urandom
[11:59] <towync> weedar cool thx
[11:59] <eilker>  thank you nothlit
[11:59] <nothlit> towync, fluxbox+custom mix of stuff, anyways if you're still asking about kde vs gnome, you're probably not ready for that
[12:00] <nothlit> towync, you don't get cozy automounting, or desk icons and you set wallpapers by hand
[12:01] <feety> if you do want those stuff, it takes a bit of extra config... and even the biggest fluxbox enthusiast cant be bothered with all the muck it takes lol
[12:01] <nothlit> feety, what do you mean can't be bothered
[12:02] <feety> seriously, how many fluxbox users you know who can be bothered installing desktop icons support
[12:02] <nothlit> oh, i got adesklets desktop icons working, but i like the desktop nice and clean
[12:02] <nothlit> feety, its more than fluxbox users don't use desktop icons... they're perfectly happy to perfect a conky setup
[12:02] <nothlit> that*
[12:03] <feety> lol thats what i meant. perhaps i was ambiguous in my chosen wording. apologies, nothlit
[12:03] <towync> nothlit so genome has less features but it's easier to use for beginniners right
[12:03] <nothlit> feety, ahh
[12:03] <nothlit> towync, less choice is more like it
[12:04] <towync> nothlit any examples? =)
[12:04] <nothlit> towync, um, if your intelligent, and open then there is no reason why you shouldn't use kde
[12:04] <nothlit> towync, its more that the layperson, the monitor is the computer and the case is the hard drive and the cd tray is the cup holder sort of person
[12:04] <feety> gnome has about the same amount of features. only problem is you have to use gconf-editor to get at them. for a windows comparison, thats just like editing the Windows Registry just to do the simplest task. pointless and stupid. kde has the options easily available to you. ^^
[12:05] <nothlit> They take away most of the configurability in gnome for that sort of person
[12:05] <eilker> !dhcp
[12:05] <ubotu> dhcp: DHCP server for automatic IP address assignment. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0pl5-19.4ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 108 kB, installed size 308 kB
[12:05] <eilker> !dhcp3
[12:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dhcp3 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:05] <nothlit> feety, gconf-editor and sabayon is nice though
[12:05] <towync> feety so is it right to say kubuntu is easier to use then?
[12:05] <Ace2016> I don't have xfs_fst, what do i do? i want to defrag the partition
[12:05] <feety> yes lol
[12:05] <nothlit> Basically gnome hides all the features/config options from you unless you really want them
[12:06] <feety> if youre used to Windows, its for you.
[12:06] <towync> what's the its, kubuntu right
[12:06] <nothlit> towync, if you're a power user, choose kde/kubuntu
[12:06] <nothlit> towync, if you're a get my email and news done person, choose gnome
[12:06] <towync> nothlit i'm new to linux =)
[12:06] <feety> well kde is a good starting point
[12:07] <nothlit> towync, yeah but there are windows power users
[12:07] <feety> its simple, similar to microsoft windows' interface, and pretty to boot
[12:07] <towync> nothlit took me like a day to get wireless set up lol
[12:07] <Ace2016> is xfs and ext2 the only file systems with a defrag programs?
[12:07] <nothlit> towync, just install both... theres a kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop package
[12:07] <eilker> what is the difference between dhcp and dhcp3 ?
[12:07] <feety> installing both is a waste of disk space
[12:07] <nothlit> towync, you can log in to either and choose which one from both kdm/gdm
[12:08] <nothlit> installing both is great if you're new and don't know the differences
[12:08] <nothlit> that way you can try both and see
[12:08] <nothlit> and you get to know what apps are available
[12:08] <nothlit> most people choose a mix of apps from kde and gnome
[12:08] <nothlit> like gaim and k3b are supposed essential apps
[12:08] <Ace2016> xfs_fsr isn't found
[12:08] <feety> but if you want to remove one a metapackage, its a royal pain in the bottom
[12:09] <nothlit> feety, edgy has apt-get remove auto-remove now and theres aptitude
[12:09] <Ace2016> ah i need to install xfsdump
[12:09] <nothlit> autoremove minus the dash :)
[12:09] <feety> i know. they have a knack for removing packages you NEED as well.
[12:09] <nothlit> Then use aptitude
[12:09] <nothlit> you can set flags
[12:09] <nothlit> to save what you want
[12:09] <feety> and aptitude asks you a bunch of questions to confuse the first time user
[12:10] <nothlit> like?
[12:10] <nothlit> yes/no?
[12:10] <feety> i remember when i was a first time user last year. it took me about two months to figure out how the heck the packages system worked.
[12:10] <feety> if youre a windows convert, then you just want things to work. you dont want to have to keep examining removal solutions and pressing ! and e and ? and such. =\
[12:10] <nothlit> really? I figured it out before I installed ubuntu
[12:11] <feety> yeah but its easy to see youre computer illiterate enough to make shakespeare want to learn linux in order to keep his position
[12:12] <feety> lol
[12:13] <trael> odd question here folks. bare with me..  if you walk away from a computer burning a Kubuntu disk. what should you come back to say 20hours later?
[12:13] <trael> on windows.
[12:13] <feety> a finished cd with the tray ejected, i wager
[12:13] <nothlit> illiterate?
[12:13] <feety> literate*
[12:13] <trael> for some reason I came back to the Kubuntu desktop!!
[12:13] <feety> shh im dyslexic
[12:14] <feety> oh goodness!