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20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 20 Dec 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 21 Dec 21:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 27 Dec 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu [04:51] hellas === niemeyer_ [n=niemeyer@201.14.38.176] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:52] Morning. === seb128 [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-36-79.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:56] dholbach, seb128, fabbione, Riddell, pitti, doko, mvo, Mithrandir: ping (five minutes) [04:56] hello Keybuk [04:57] 16:50 yo yo [04:57] sfllaw: nearly forgot about you :p === pitti waves again and gives Keybuk a special hug [04:57] Keybuk: you are late :) [04:57] Keybuk: no need to ping people who just joined :p [04:57] Keybuk: pong [04:57] oh, you just did :) [04:57] joining before me is cheating [04:57] I'm here for now, but being on holiday I may disappear at any moment === ompaul [n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:57] Keybuk: [04:58] reminder: there is a staff meeting immediately after this one; please try to attend [04:58] Keybuk: Morning. === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:58] hey === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:00] pong [05:00] I have to leave at five minutes to 18 for another (RL) meeting. [05:00] 18 UTC? [05:00] no, 17 utc [05:01] ah, ok; you'll miss the staff meeting [05:01] announcing meeting > 1 day in advance would be nice :p [05:01] yeah [05:01] or rather 0.5 day [05:01] I got the mail this morning [05:01] well, schedule is settled now [05:02] seb128: yes, but people are starting to leave on holidays and so we're in a rush [05:02] can we start? we need to pack this meeting in one hour [05:02] if you can't attend, read distro-team@ [05:03] fabbione: of course my friend. why don't you start us off? [05:03] fabbione: good point [05:03] mdz: sure.. [05:03] BenC: you first [05:03] delay me please [05:03] fabbione: I meant you, personally [05:03] mdz: eheh ok [05:03] you're first on the list [05:03] feisty-toolchain: no changes since last week. [05:03] sparc64-installer: got network-console in main and tested. Pending fix for main- [05:03] menu that's under review. os-prober now recognize Solaris/SPARC installations an [05:03] d it can parse silo.conf to detect other Linux installations on the system. spar [05:03] c-utils now ships eeprom util to change values in OBP. Missing to integrate the [05:03] os-prober and sparc-utils changes into silo/silo-installer to create silo.conf s [05:03] tanza's. [05:03] integrity-check: created wget-udeb to provide an alternative to busybox wget tha [05:03] t doesn't support ssl/https. [05:03] spart64-niagara-ssl-accelerator: no changes since last week. [05:03] ubuntu-feisty-ha-cluster: no changes since last week. [05:04] Done [05:04] * lvm2 testing with Ian. /me loves crack... Ian a bit less ;) [05:04] * completed first mdadm SRU. Started investigating mdadm/evms issue reported in [05:04] #67299. [05:04] NOTE: for who doesn't read my emails: I will be in another TZ all of next week w [05:04] ithout a phone and in vacation after that. Cya all next year! [05:04] on men.. this copy/paste was horror [05:04] fabbione: have fun with David [05:04] mdz: thanks [05:05] fabbione: enjoy your vacation! and thanks for your work on udev-mdadm [05:05] fabbione: thanks [05:05] doko: next [05:05] Keybuk: i did push it back to you.. i need watershed.. once that's done i will take it over again [05:05] fabbione: I saw, thanks [05:05] - merges and sync requests for main (finished except syslinux, currently stuck) [05:05] - python and java syncs and merges [05:05] - python updates, module updates for new upstream versions [05:05] supporting python2.5 (ongoing) [05:05] - feisty-toolchain: update, enable the --hash-style=both link option [05:05] - feisty+1-toolchain: update packaging to the current state of the 4.2 [05:05] branch and trunk, update patches, forward patches upstream. [05:05] - other: starting packaging of sun-java6 [05:06] Keybuk: wasn't watershed the bit which I said needed to be added to the spec? === tkamppeter [i=till@nat/mandriva/x-69efa740123c3611] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:06] doko: what's stuck re: syslinux? === pitti wonders if doko would have some clue about the broken gdb [05:06] mdz: it's in the spec, and the patch is in my inbox and just needs testing [05:06] Keybuk: ok [05:06] pitti: I thought you fixed it? [05:07] pitti: seems to be a kernel issue [05:07] mdz: the merged gfxboot not working [05:07] I wasn't expecting the udev-* specs to get implemented so quickly; had them in January in my head, but others took up the challenge [05:07] pitti: I filed a bug and Ben said it was fixed with 2.6.20 [05:07] dholbach: right, and it built locally, but the buildds still fail because of unexpected test suite failures [05:07] pitti: you fixed it? [05:07] doko: see above [05:07] doko: I applied the upstream patch to support .gnu.hash ELF segments === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-44-61.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [05:07] bug 74691 [05:07] Malone bug 74691 in linux-source-2.6.19 "Unable to debug under 2.6.19: Failed to read a valid object file image from memory" [High,Fix committed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74691 [05:08] ah, that's the i386 version of that bug [05:08] pitti: if you know more, please add it to the bug [05:08] for me on amd64 it was 'cannot read ELF file' or so [05:08] mdz: will do, I dealt with bug 73724 [05:08] Malone bug 73724 in gdb "gdb problems with glibc 2.5" [Critical,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/73724 [05:08] doko: do you expect sun-java6 to be able to supersede sun-java5 for feisty? [05:08] the gdb thing is fixed in 2.6.20 [05:09] at least it was for me [05:09] pitti: Can you confirm the gdb problem with 2.6.20? [05:09] BenC: seb128 still got it with 2.6.20? [05:09] pkg-create-dbgsym doesn't pass with 2.6.20 [05:09] hmm [05:09] mdz: should be; it's time enough until the release [05:09] 2.6.17 works fine [05:09] BenC: as I said, building gdb locally under 2.6.20 works (test suite doesn't make the build fail, but fails some tests; didn't check closely) [05:09] anyway, let's not discuss it here [05:09] we are tight [05:09] in time [05:09] pitti: well, I only tried the testsuite, not to gdb some dump [05:10] doko: ok, cool. thanks [05:10] BenC: next [05:10] here, sorry I had to be late [05:10] mdz: off-by-one? adding last comment [05:11] cjwatson: next [05:11] setup-console-under-usplash: No progress; needs somebody local to bug 73955 who's willing and able to dig into it. [05:11] Malone bug 73955 in console-setup "Clobbered X screen state during installation" [High,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/73955 [05:11] intel-mac-support: Fixed up mouseemu a good deal; could people on powerpc try this out? I'll set it up soon so that it doesn't even start on non-Mac x86 machines, and then it should be ready to install by default. [05:12] ubiquity-advanced-partitioner: Have mostly been staring at Gentoo UI code trying to figure out how to integrate it. I hope to have a first cut testable by Christmas. [05:12] sparc64-installer: Have been helping Fabio out with various fixes related to network-console. [05:12] misc: Some interest in installer team so far, though nobody yet diving into code; Henrik has been getting up to speed on the ubiquity bug list. Switched d-i to running the -generic kernel. Worked on various ite [05:12] ms from my "later"-milestoned bugs, including getting the seeds switched away from using my directory on people.ubuntu.com. [05:13] cjwatson: BTW, a lot of mactel patches went into 2.6.20 [05:13] excellent, thanks [05:13] who can help out with that console/usplash bug? [05:13] I'll be getting the hardware from mjg59 at some point [05:13] cjwatson: I might be able to debug 73955 given Karianne's laptop exhibits the problem, especially if you can give me a useful starting point. [05:13] mdz: Mithrandir said he could [05:13] so he hsa [05:13] has [05:13] mdz: I can, it happened to me [05:13] Mithrandir: the consolechars command in the bug is a useful starting pooint [05:13] point [05:14] cjwatson: ok, let's talk about it later. [05:14] everything I know (not a huge amount, but >0) is in the bug [05:14] 'k [05:14] if we can't fix it, we revert and lose s-c-u-u === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-63-17.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:14] cjwatson: ok, thanks [05:14] BenC: next [05:14] :: Specs [05:14] * driver-device-manager: NO PROGRESS [05:14] * driver-backports: NO PROGRESS [05:14] :: Work for past week [05:14] * First release of 2.6.20-pre kernel. Built for all architectures. Initial testing by distro team has begun. [05:14] * ata_piix regression fixed. [05:14] * i82365 crash fixed. [05:15] * Intel enabling (discussions, and so on) [05:15] * LRM is ready for 2.6.20, uploading today. [05:15] * All vmware modules are now in LRM (server, player and tools). [05:15] :: Work for next week [05:15] * Finish merges, and get 2.6.20 default in feisty. [05:15] * Start back to work on specs. [05:15] BenC: expect some crack from David and me next week [05:15] fabbione: good crack or bad crack? [05:15] BenC: *crack :) [05:15] wait, you didn't so "ok, this is crack" [05:15] BenC: how has the feedback for 2.6.20 been? [05:16] is it also announced to -devel-announce or similar? [05:16] mdz: Three bugs so far :/ [05:16] two of them crashes [05:16] Keybuk: I've set you as approver on driver-backports, chat with me about it if you're uncertain about the requirements [05:16] whee [05:16] I'll test it on my machines here today [05:17] BenC: do you want the installer switched over? [05:17] BenC: lrm would be nice [05:17] everyone note that you can test feisty kernel on edgy too [05:17] BenC, why isnt ext4 enabled ? i'd love to play with it [05:17] cjwatson: no, not yet [05:17] cjwatson: it would be interesting if we could switch the desktop CD ahead of linux-meta [05:17] ogra: It's still marked experimental [05:17] BenC: when is the plan to switch to it by default? [05:17] BenC, oki [05:17] Mithrandir: hopefully next week, if it doesn't eat everyone's data [05:17] BenC: ok. [05:18] (thinking herd scheduling here) [05:18] it looks like it may be a rough ride to 2.6.20 [05:18] mdz: that's probably feasible with Adam's assistance [05:18] will have to check ubiquity [05:18] BenC: what about the vmware workstation modules? are they the same as server? [05:18] I think we can expect some problems with 2.6.20, we usually don't have such an unstable kernel in at such a late devel state [05:19] I tried to unbreak my vmware workstation install, but the modules didn't build anymore [05:19] mdz: I can't remember if they are server or player comptable [05:19] but one of them works [05:19] ok [05:19] BenC: thanks [05:20] Riddell: you're on holiday, but since you're here, if you have an update, it's your turn :-) [05:21] hi [05:21] done: kubuntu-feisty-language-selector: implemented, worked out well [05:21] kubuntu-feisty-ubiquity: ported to qt4 [05:21] todo: holiday, but kubuntu upgrade-tool is next on my TODO [05:21] blocked: artists [05:21] I will continue to nag sabdfl about artwork [05:21] Riddell: is it blocking anything other than the artwork itself? [05:21] apparantly he's on holiday for the next 3 weeks :( [05:22] mdz: no, it's just unfair to leave the artists unsure what's happening [05:22] Riddell: I have a call with him in 1.5 hours [05:22] cjwatson: my qt4 partitioning problem may have been caused by old d-i debs installed, if it works for you I think it should be merged into trunk [05:22] I haven't seen any artwork uploads, and artwork is a feature, so it needs to be generally useful by FF. === Mithrandir chants that to himself. [05:23] Riddell: yeah, that had occurred to me too [05:23] Riddell: thanks, now go relax a little ;-) [05:23] Riddell: it hung for me later on, but I'll check it out [05:23] Mithrandir, that policy is in place since hoary [05:23] Mithrandir: next [05:23] misc: archive admin, fixed a bunch of missing depends on update-inetd, helped twb (community member) with casper merge, poked mono problem on sparc, ran into gdb internal errors, ran away [05:23] Mithrandir, but was ignored since it exists :) [05:23] grub2: played around with grub2 on one of my systems, seems to work. Jeff Bailey has done some work to fix up update-grub, I need to look into that. [05:23] network-roaming: no progress [05:23] changelog-closes-bugs: no further progress [05:23] feisty-release-schedule: put the herds on the schedule; slightly scary scheduling wrt gnome releases, so we might want to adjust if it doesn't work out. [05:24] next week: fix up random bits before I go on vacation from Tuesday [05:24] Mithrandir: are you still confident about getting network-roaming finished? that's quite important [05:24] mdz: yes. [05:25] much higher priority than grub2 [05:25] sure. [05:25] Mithrandir: is changelog-closes-bugs still under discussion in Debian? [05:25] if there isn't consensus there, we should still proceed [05:25] mdz: I don't think they're entirely happy, but I think they'll take the patch. [05:26] oh, good [05:26] Mithrandir: thanks [05:26] ogra: next [05:26] * last week: [05:26] - merged debian ltsp patches [05:26] - started working on edubuntu-network-auth-server/client [05:26] - switched ltsp to openbsd-inetd (pitti, please approve before christmas holiday so ltsp is installable during our holiday) [05:26] - started a lts.conf parser for ltsp-management-gui [05:26] - new gnome-power-manager [05:26] [05:26] * next week: [05:26] - fix final ltsp merge bugs (new locale plugin handling etc) [05:26] - more work on e-n-a-s [05:26] ogra: oh, ok, will do [05:26] - more work on ltsp-management-gui [05:26] - more work on edgy-plusone-thinclient-sound [05:26] [05:26] * approved specs: [05:26] - ltsp-fat-clients - partially implemented, good user feedback [05:26] - edubuntu-network-auth-server - started [05:26] - edubuntu-network-auth-client - not started [05:26] - edgy-plusone-thinclient-sound - started [05:26] - ltsp-management-gui - started [05:26] - student-control-panel-upgrade - not started [05:26] - edubuntu-on-two-cds - not started [05:26] - ltsp-persistent-home - started by sbalneav (waiting for code review) [05:26] sorry for missing last week btw [05:26] pitti, its not urgent, but needs to be in place before herd12 [05:27] err [05:27] 2 [05:27] ogra: will try to do today before I get drawn into something else again [05:27] mdz, did you see vagrants answer to my mail -> policy violation ? [05:27] ogra: I don't think so [05:28] he showed some valid pointers from the release policy for etch [05:28] ogra: is there a target release date for upstream ltsp 5? [05:28] apparently the debian RM's dchanged the wording from "conffile" to "config file" === tkamppeter_ [i=till@nat/mandriva/x-222c253fe2527670] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:29] it will release latest with feisty .... [05:29] depends on the other implementations as well [05:29] ogra: conffile vs. config file is animportant difference... [05:29] ogra: debian RMs don't have the authority to change policy, and that sounds like an error [05:29] (redhat and gentoo want to have *something* at least) [05:30] forbidding maintainer scripts from touching all configuration files would be, er, extreme [05:30] wouldn't that make debconf illegal? [05:30] anyway I don't think it's necessary to modify /etc/modules in this case, as I said [05:30] but let's discuss it outside of the meeting [05:30] ogra: thanks [05:30] mvo: next [05:30] Packages must not modify their own or other packages conffiles [05:30] programmatically. [05:30] Packages must not modify other packages' configuration files [05:30] sorry, -> #ubuntu-devel [05:30] except by an agreed upon APIs (eg, a /usr/sbin/update-foo command). [05:30] thast from an RM mail he quoted [05:31] Did: [05:31] - Mail/Bugtriage [05:31] - apt work (catchup with debian patches, prepared SRU for edgy) [05:31] - unattended-upgrades mail notification added [05:31] - work on better commercial software support in g-a-i [05:31] - auto-distupgrader work (fixes in the conffile decetion, tested on ppc as well) [05:31] - CommonCustomizations work [05:31] - free space checking in dist-upgrader rewritten [05:31] - misc merges/uploads (gnome-commander, python-distutils-extas, python-aptutils, dhcp, iptraf, apt-listchanges, python-support,central) [05:31] - Implemented .dsc file build-dep satisfy in gdebi (for iwj auto-pkgtest) [05:31] - some work on the server upgrade tool [05:31] Specs: [05:31] - automatic-upgrade-testing waits for deployment in the datacenter (so blocked currently) [05:31] ogra: RMs don't decide policy [05:31] Will do: [05:31] - merges [05:31] - CommonCustomizations === Maikel [i=ma1kel@cp305656-b.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:32] mvo: how has edgy->feisty upgrade testing been so far? [05:32] mdz: pretty good actually. I do it on a i386 here regularly and found that it works rather well [05:32] mvo: any issues identified by sysadmin regarding the upgrade testing? or just needs time? [05:32] they have been quick with most things [05:32] I may say "unexpetecedly" well even with 4200 package s installed [05:33] I got no feedback whats blocking the datacenter install, I guess not enough machines [05:33] but that is just a guess [05:33] I also ran it on dholbach ppc successfully === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DAC41.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:33] (thanks dholbach for letting me on the machine :) [05:33] mvo: for you anytime... ;-) [05:33] mvo: ok, thanks [05:34] heno: next [05:34] Done: [05:34] * access-gdm: Upstream are still keen to go the AT-SPI route. That now seems doable with GDM. Not sure about FaceBrowser. [05:34] * multilingual-speech: More work on eSpeak voices, but I've not had time to do a larger community push yet. [05:34] * bug-triage: started helping with ubiquity bugs and reading uiquity code. Wrote a simple script (which dholbach later cleaned up :) ) to assist in some basic triaging tasks. It only does some basic dupe searching ATM, but might grow into something useful. See: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dholbach/bughelper/bughelper.dev [05:34] * launchpad: read up on some launchpad/distro discussions from the past and attended a weekly launchpad meeting. If there are issues you want raised with the LP team you can channel them through me. [05:34] * Other: started monitoring a few forum sections, esp Feisty-development with the aim of lifting out useful info, such as important bugs not reported in Malone. [05:34] . [05:34] To do: [05:34] * bug-triage: more ubiquity triage. Update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUbiquity with known Edgy bugs. Look at doing the same with other packages (which in turn serves as input for the bughelper script). Pointers to existing such pages welcome. [05:34] * launchpad: Work with matthewrevell on ideas for distro-lp cross linking, including Fix-it Fridays. [05:34] * multilingual-speech: Help community people get started on new eSpeak voices [05:35] heno: did you have a chance to work on that letter to the forums we discussed? [05:35] mdz: just bullet points so far [05:36] ooh, thanks for bughelper, I must investigate that [05:36] mdz: in the next few days I should have a draft [05:36] heno: and please talk with sfllaw to work out how to file important bugs from the forums such that a) they aren't lost in the noise, and b) someone gets subscribed to the bug who can participate in debugging [05:36] cjwatson: its very simple ... [05:37] cjwatson: there's a discussion going on on ubuntu-bugsquad@ which might turn into wiki pages with ideas - the 'official branch' should be ~bugsquad/bughelper/bughelper.main [05:37] mdz: right, colin and have started a bit with ubiquity bugs from there [05:37] heno: (unless it's obvious what the bug is and how to fix it without their participation) [05:37] Im trying to educate a bit as I bgo along [05:38] heno: I like the idea of adding known high-visibility bugs to the debugging info pages [05:38] right [05:38] heno: perhaps we could make that more automatic by tagging the bugs which should appear there [05:38] yeah, that was something I did with dapper [05:38] doing the same for edgy would be great [05:39] or just make a page for each major pkg, xorg, ff, oo, ect [05:39] some exist already [05:40] but they should be better structured and linked to [05:40] heno: yes, another idea I've had is to group bugs based on user experience, e.g. problems booting, logging in, using the desktop, display issues, etc. [05:40] heno: to make it easier for users to find existing bugs, when they don't know the package affected [05:40] heno: perhaps we should have a longer discussion on ubuntu-devel [05:40] need to move on here [05:40] heno: thanks [05:40] dholbach: next [05:40] sounds good [05:41] Done: [05:41] * code-review: announced trial period, got feedback [05:41] * automatic-art-builder: mailed Mark, mailed artist who was interested in it, no feedback [05:41] * lots of bug triage [05:41] * started hacking on Henrik's bughelper [05:41] Todo: [05:41] * 2.17.4 [05:41] * more bug triage [05:41] * hacking on Henrik's bughelper [05:41] * bug day [05:41] * hacking on the art builder and push the artwork people some more. :-) [05:41] * (revu day?) [05:41] heno: I'd glad to talk to you about that bughelper code wrt. apport and bug-reporting-tool integration [05:41] heno: s/glad/be glad/ [05:41] pitti: i thought about stealing your bug patterns idea :) [05:41] dholbach: so no one using the art builder yet? [05:41] pitti: cool, lets schedule afterwards [05:41] mdz: effectively, no :-/ [05:42] urgh [05:42] dholbach: please send me a link to the announcement on ubuntu-art and I'll see if I can help stir up some interest [05:42] dholbach: thanks [05:42] seb128: next [05:42] mdz: alright [05:42] Specs: [05:42] * easy-codec-installation: no change (mdz, any reply from tim?) [05:42] * tab-consistency: not started [05:42] * desktop-slab: no change, package available to universe, waiting for upstream to know if they will ship the gnome-main-menu applet with GNOME 2.18 [05:42] . [05:43] Done: === ranf [n=ralfm@dslb-084-058-101-117.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:43] * catching up with bugs, backlog around 400 now [05:43] * played with compiz and started updating to the new version [05:43] * a bunch of desktop updates [05:43] . [05:43] To do: [05:43] * upload tracker (0.5.3 with fixed copyright mentions will before next week) [05:43] * update compiz, look at compiz tools package available on revu, contact the guy packaging the to know if he's interested to work join MOTU and work on those packages and compiz [05:43] * keep bug triaging [05:43] * start working on tab-consistency [05:43] * GNOME 2.17.4 [05:43] dholbach, i'll point cbx33 to you as well, his wife leads the edubuntu artteam ... [05:43] seb128: yes, tim will complete the gstreamer work by 31 dec [05:43] mdz: excellent, thanks [05:43] ogra: thanks [05:44] seb128: I asked him to mail patches to you and iwj when he has them [05:44] ok [05:44] seb128: please tell me that the newer compiz versions don't suck so much any more [05:44] pitti: it should be better, that's why I'm working on the update :) [05:44] seb128: if upstream ships gnome-main-menu, do we have transition work to do? or leave existing users with the old menu on upgrade? [05:44] and understand workspaces [05:45] mdz: they will not ship it by default, just as an option (like the simple icon menu amt) [05:45] atm [05:45] (simple icon menu = the windows like menu, with the logo which opens one menu) [05:45] ah ,ok [05:45] seb128: thanks [05:45] pitti: next [05:46] Done: [05:46] * merges for main: practically done, (enigmail: we have to permanently fork due to Debian's icedove madness, linux-wlan-ng: Debian has a SVN snapshot instead of stable release, have to evaluate) [05:46] * zero-configuration-networking: implemented the last unimportant, but hairy bits, now fully complete; announced to -devel, suggested for next UWN. Enjoy! [05:46] * mount-all-local-filesystems: implemented, announced to -devel. Enjoy! [05:46] * gnome-mount: discussed de-gnomeification with Xubuntu guys; will eventually happen upstream and not urgent for Xubuntu, thus I set this to Blocked and will just let it sit; fully implemented for Ubuntu's purposes (except that mounting encrypted devices doesn't work, but that's udev-device-mapper) [05:46] * uploaded g-s-t/s-t-backends/couple of applets SRU to -proposed after cjwatson's review (bug 59946); waiting for button push by an archive admin [05:46] Malone bug 59946 in gnome-system-tools "Admin tools require admin group membership" [High,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/59946 [05:46]