[06:30] <Hobbsee> @schedule sydney
[06:30] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 15 Dec 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 16 Dec 07:00: MOTU | 20 Dec 07:00: Technical Board | 21 Dec 07:00: Edubuntu | 22 Dec 08:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 27 Dec 23:00: Edubuntu
[06:30] <Hobbsee> 7am.  not quite so bad.
[10:17] <snail> @schedule london
[10:17] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/London: 14 Dec 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Dec 20:00: MOTU | 19 Dec 20:00: Technical Board | 20 Dec 20:00: Edubuntu | 21 Dec 21:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 27 Dec 12:00: Edubuntu
[04:50] <mdz> good morning all
[04:50] <ogra> morning
[04:50] <fabbione> yo yo
[04:51] <dholbach> hellas
[04:52] <sfllaw> Morning.
[04:56] <Keybuk> dholbach, seb128, fabbione, Riddell, pitti, doko, mvo, Mithrandir: ping (five minutes)
[04:56] <mvo> hello Keybuk
[04:57] <fabbione> 16:50 <fabbione> yo yo
[04:57] <Keybuk> sfllaw: nearly forgot about you :p
[04:57] <fabbione> Keybuk: you are late :)
[04:57] <seb128> Keybuk: no need to ping people who just joined :p
[04:57] <doko> Keybuk: pong
[04:57] <seb128> oh, you just did :)
[04:57] <Keybuk> joining before me is cheating
[04:57] <Riddell> I'm here for now, but being on holiday I may disappear at any moment
[04:57] <dholbach> Keybuk: 
[04:58] <Keybuk> reminder: there is a staff meeting immediately after this one; please try to attend
[04:58] <sfllaw> Keybuk: Morning.
[04:58] <zul> hey
[05:00] <Mithrandir> pong
[05:00] <Mithrandir> I have to leave at five minutes to 18 for another (RL) meeting.
[05:00] <Keybuk> 18 UTC?
[05:00] <Mithrandir> no, 17 utc
[05:01] <Keybuk> ah, ok; you'll miss the staff meeting
[05:01] <seb128> announcing meeting > 1 day in advance would be nice :p
[05:01] <ogra> yeah
[05:01] <seb128> or rather 0.5 day
[05:01] <seb128> I got the mail this morning
[05:01] <pitti> well, schedule is settled now
[05:02] <mdz> seb128: yes, but people are starting to leave on holidays and so we're in a rush
[05:02] <fabbione> can we start? we need to pack this meeting in one hour
[05:02] <mdz> if you can't attend, read distro-team@
[05:03] <mdz> fabbione: of course my friend.  why don't you start us off?
[05:03] <seb128> fabbione: good point
[05:03] <fabbione> mdz: sure..
[05:03] <fabbione> BenC: you first
[05:03] <BenC> delay me please
[05:03] <mdz> fabbione: I meant you, personally
[05:03] <fabbione> mdz: eheh ok
[05:03] <mdz> you're first on the list
[05:03] <fabbione> feisty-toolchain: no changes since last week.
[05:03] <fabbione> sparc64-installer: got network-console in main and tested. Pending fix for main-
[05:03] <fabbione> menu that's under review. os-prober now recognize Solaris/SPARC installations an
[05:03] <fabbione> d it can parse silo.conf to detect other Linux installations on the system. spar
[05:03] <fabbione> c-utils now ships eeprom util to change values in OBP. Missing to integrate the
[05:03] <fabbione> os-prober and sparc-utils changes into silo/silo-installer to create silo.conf s
[05:03] <fabbione> tanza's.
[05:03] <fabbione> integrity-check: created wget-udeb to provide an alternative to busybox wget tha
[05:03] <fabbione> t doesn't support ssl/https.
[05:03] <fabbione> spart64-niagara-ssl-accelerator: no changes since last week.
[05:03] <fabbione> ubuntu-feisty-ha-cluster: no changes since last week.
[05:04] <fabbione> Done
[05:04] <fabbione>  * lvm2 testing with Ian. /me loves crack... Ian a bit less ;)
[05:04] <fabbione>  * completed first mdadm SRU. Started investigating mdadm/evms issue reported in
[05:04] <fabbione>  #67299.
[05:04] <fabbione> NOTE: for who doesn't read my emails: I will be in another TZ all of next week w
[05:04] <fabbione> ithout a phone and in vacation after that. Cya all next year!
[05:04] <fabbione> on men.. this copy/paste was horror
[05:04] <mdz> fabbione: have fun with David
[05:04] <fabbione> mdz: thanks
[05:05] <Keybuk> fabbione: enjoy your vacation!  and thanks for your work on udev-mdadm
[05:05] <mdz> fabbione: thanks
[05:05] <mdz> doko: next
[05:05] <fabbione> Keybuk: i did push it back to you.. i need watershed.. once that's done i will take it over again
[05:05] <Keybuk> fabbione: I saw, thanks
[05:05] <doko> - merges and sync requests for main (finished except syslinux, currently stuck)
[05:05] <doko> - python and java syncs and merges
[05:05] <doko> - python updates, module updates for new upstream versions
[05:05] <doko>   supporting python2.5 (ongoing)
[05:05] <doko> - feisty-toolchain: update, enable the --hash-style=both link option
[05:05] <doko> - feisty+1-toolchain: update packaging to the current state of the 4.2
[05:05] <doko>   branch and trunk, update patches, forward patches upstream.
[05:05] <doko> - other: starting packaging of sun-java6
[05:06] <mdz> Keybuk: wasn't watershed the bit which I said needed to be added to the spec?
[05:06] <mdz> doko: what's stuck re: syslinux?
[05:06] <Keybuk> mdz: it's in the spec, and the patch is in my inbox and just needs testing
[05:06] <mdz> Keybuk: ok
[05:06] <dholbach> pitti: I thought you fixed it?
[05:07] <mdz> pitti: seems to be a kernel issue
[05:07] <doko> mdz: the merged gfxboot not working
[05:07] <Keybuk> I wasn't expecting the udev-* specs to get implemented so quickly; had them in January in my head, but others took up the challenge
[05:07] <mdz> pitti: I filed a bug and Ben said it was fixed with 2.6.20
[05:07] <pitti> dholbach: right, and it built locally, but the buildds still fail because of unexpected test suite failures
[05:07] <doko> pitti: you fixed it?
[05:07] <pitti> doko: see above
[05:07] <pitti> doko: I applied the upstream patch to support .gnu.hash ELF segments
[05:07] <mdz> bug 74691
[05:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74691 in linux-source-2.6.19 "Unable to debug under 2.6.19: Failed to read a valid object file image from memory" [High,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74691
[05:08] <pitti> ah, that's the i386 version of that bug
[05:08] <mdz> pitti: if you know more, please add it to the bug
[05:08] <pitti> for me on amd64 it was 'cannot read ELF file' or so
[05:08] <pitti> mdz: will do, I dealt with bug 73724
[05:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73724 in gdb "gdb problems with glibc 2.5" [Critical,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73724
[05:08] <mdz> doko: do you expect sun-java6 to be able to supersede sun-java5 for feisty?
[05:08] <BenC> the gdb thing is fixed in 2.6.20
[05:09] <BenC> at least it was for me
[05:09] <BenC> pitti: Can you confirm the gdb problem with 2.6.20?
[05:09] <pitti> BenC: seb128 still got it with 2.6.20?
[05:09] <seb128> pkg-create-dbgsym doesn't pass with 2.6.20
[05:09] <BenC> hmm
[05:09] <doko> mdz: should be; it's time enough until the release
[05:09] <seb128> 2.6.17 works fine
[05:09] <pitti> BenC: as I said, building gdb locally under 2.6.20 works (test suite doesn't make the build fail, but fails some tests; didn't check closely)
[05:09] <pitti> anyway, let's not discuss it here
[05:09] <pitti> we are tight
[05:09] <pitti> in time
[05:09] <seb128> pitti: well, I only tried the testsuite, not to gdb some dump
[05:10] <mdz> doko: ok, cool. thanks
[05:10] <mdz> BenC: next
[05:10] <cjwatson> here, sorry I had to be late
[05:10] <BenC> mdz: off-by-one? adding last comment
[05:11] <mdz> cjwatson: next
[05:11] <cjwatson> setup-console-under-usplash: No progress; needs somebody local to bug 73955 who's willing and able to dig into it.
[05:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73955 in console-setup "Clobbered X screen state during installation" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73955
[05:11] <cjwatson> intel-mac-support: Fixed up mouseemu a good deal; could people on powerpc try this out? I'll set it up soon so that it doesn't even start on non-Mac x86 machines, and then it should be ready to install by default.
[05:12] <cjwatson> ubiquity-advanced-partitioner: Have mostly been staring at Gentoo UI code trying to figure out how to integrate it. I hope to have a first cut testable by Christmas.
[05:12] <cjwatson> sparc64-installer: Have been helping Fabio out with various fixes related to network-console.
[05:12] <cjwatson> misc: Some interest in installer team so far, though nobody yet diving into code; Henrik has been getting up to speed on the ubiquity bug list. Switched d-i to running the -generic kernel. Worked on various ite
[05:12] <cjwatson> ms from my "later"-milestoned bugs, including getting the seeds switched away from using my directory on people.ubuntu.com.
[05:13] <BenC> cjwatson: BTW, a lot of mactel patches went into 2.6.20
[05:13] <cjwatson> excellent, thanks
[05:13] <mdz> who can help out with that console/usplash bug?
[05:13] <cjwatson> I'll be getting the hardware from mjg59 at some point
[05:13] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: I might be able to debug 73955 given Karianne's laptop exhibits the problem, especially if you can give me a useful starting point.
[05:13] <cjwatson> mdz: Mithrandir said he could
[05:13] <mdz> so he hsa
[05:13] <mdz> has
[05:13] <Keybuk> mdz: I can, it happened to me
[05:13] <cjwatson> Mithrandir: the consolechars command in the bug is a useful starting pooint
[05:13] <cjwatson> point
[05:14] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: ok, let's talk about it later.
[05:14] <cjwatson> everything I know (not a huge amount, but >0) is in the bug
[05:14] <Mithrandir> 'k
[05:14] <cjwatson> if we can't fix it, we revert and lose s-c-u-u
[05:14] <mdz> cjwatson: ok, thanks
[05:14] <mdz> BenC: next
[05:14] <BenC> :: Specs
[05:14] <BenC> * driver-device-manager: NO PROGRESS
[05:14] <BenC> * driver-backports: NO PROGRESS
[05:14] <BenC> :: Work for past week
[05:14] <BenC> * First release of 2.6.20-pre kernel. Built for all architectures. Initial testing by distro team has begun.
[05:14] <BenC> * ata_piix regression fixed.
[05:14] <BenC> * i82365 crash fixed.
[05:15] <BenC> * Intel enabling (discussions, and so on)
[05:15] <BenC> * LRM is ready for 2.6.20, uploading today.
[05:15] <BenC> * All vmware modules are now in LRM (server, player and tools).
[05:15] <BenC> :: Work for next week
[05:15] <BenC> * Finish merges, and get 2.6.20 default in feisty.
[05:15] <BenC> * Start back to work on specs.
[05:15] <fabbione> BenC: expect some crack from David and me next week
[05:15] <BenC> fabbione: good crack or bad crack?
[05:15] <fabbione> BenC: *crack :)
[05:15] <BenC> wait, you didn't so "ok, this is crack"
[05:15] <mdz> BenC: how has the feedback for 2.6.20 been?
[05:16] <mdz> is it also announced to -devel-announce or similar?
[05:16] <BenC> mdz: Three bugs so far :/
[05:16] <BenC> two of them crashes
[05:16] <mdz> Keybuk: I've set you as approver on driver-backports, chat with me about it if you're uncertain about the requirements
[05:16] <mdz> whee
[05:16] <mdz> I'll test it on my machines here today
[05:17] <cjwatson> BenC: do you want the installer switched over?
[05:17] <Keybuk> BenC: lrm would be nice
[05:17] <BenC> everyone note that you can test feisty kernel on edgy too
[05:17] <ogra> BenC, why isnt ext4 enabled ? i'd love to play with it
[05:17] <BenC> cjwatson: no, not yet
[05:17] <mdz> cjwatson: it would be interesting if we could switch the desktop CD ahead of linux-meta
[05:17] <BenC> ogra: It's still marked experimental
[05:17] <Mithrandir> BenC: when is the plan to switch to it by default?
[05:17] <ogra> BenC, oki
[05:17] <BenC> Mithrandir: hopefully next week, if it doesn't eat everyone's data
[05:17] <Mithrandir> BenC: ok.
[05:18] <Mithrandir> (thinking herd scheduling here)
[05:18] <mdz> it looks like it may be a rough ride to 2.6.20
[05:18] <cjwatson> mdz: that's probably feasible with Adam's assistance
[05:18] <cjwatson> will have to check ubiquity
[05:18] <mdz> BenC: what about the vmware workstation modules? are they the same as server?
[05:18] <BenC> I think we can expect some problems with 2.6.20, we usually don't have such an unstable kernel in at such a late devel state
[05:19] <mdz> I tried to unbreak my vmware workstation install, but the modules didn't build anymore
[05:19] <BenC> mdz: I can't remember if they are server or player comptable
[05:19] <BenC> but one of them works
[05:19] <mdz> ok
[05:19] <mdz> BenC: thanks
[05:20] <mdz> Riddell: you're on holiday, but since you're here, if you have an update, it's your turn :-)
[05:21] <Riddell> hi
[05:21] <Riddell> done: kubuntu-feisty-language-selector: implemented, worked out well
[05:21] <Riddell>       kubuntu-feisty-ubiquity: ported to qt4
[05:21] <Riddell> todo: holiday, but kubuntu upgrade-tool is next on my TODO
[05:21] <Riddell> blocked: artists
[05:21] <mdz> I will continue to nag sabdfl about artwork
[05:21] <mdz> Riddell: is it blocking anything other than the artwork itself?
[05:21] <Riddell> apparantly he's on holiday for the next 3 weeks :(
[05:22] <Riddell> mdz: no, it's just unfair to leave the artists unsure what's happening
[05:22] <mdz> Riddell: I have a call with him in 1.5 hours
[05:22] <Riddell> cjwatson: my qt4 partitioning problem may have been caused by old d-i debs installed, if it works for you I think it should be merged into trunk
[05:22] <Mithrandir> I haven't seen any artwork uploads, and artwork is a feature, so it needs to be generally useful by FF.
[05:23] <cjwatson> Riddell: yeah, that had occurred to me too
[05:23] <mdz> Riddell: thanks, now go relax a little ;-)
[05:23] <cjwatson> Riddell: it hung for me later on, but I'll check it out
[05:23] <ogra> Mithrandir, that policy is in place since hoary
[05:23] <mdz> Mithrandir: next
[05:23] <Mithrandir> misc: archive admin, fixed a bunch of missing depends on update-inetd, helped twb (community member) with casper merge, poked mono problem on sparc, ran into gdb internal errors, ran away
[05:23] <ogra> Mithrandir, but was ignored since it exists :)
[05:23] <Mithrandir> grub2: played around with grub2 on one of my systems, seems to work.  Jeff Bailey has done some work to fix up update-grub, I need to look into that.
[05:23] <Mithrandir> network-roaming: no progress
[05:23] <Mithrandir> changelog-closes-bugs: no further progress
[05:23] <Mithrandir> feisty-release-schedule: put the herds on the schedule; slightly scary scheduling wrt gnome releases, so we might want to adjust if it doesn't work out.
[05:24] <Mithrandir> next week: fix up random bits before I go on vacation from Tuesday
[05:24] <mdz> Mithrandir: are you still confident about getting network-roaming finished? that's quite important
[05:24] <Mithrandir> mdz: yes.
[05:25] <mdz> much higher priority than grub2
[05:25] <Mithrandir> sure.
[05:25] <mdz> Mithrandir: is changelog-closes-bugs still under discussion in Debian?
[05:25] <mdz> if there isn't consensus there, we should still proceed
[05:25] <Mithrandir> mdz: I don't think they're entirely happy, but I think they'll take the patch.
[05:26] <mdz> oh, good
[05:26] <mdz> Mithrandir: thanks
[05:26] <mdz> ogra: next
[05:26] <ogra> * last week:
[05:26] <ogra>  - merged debian ltsp patches
[05:26] <ogra>  - started working on edubuntu-network-auth-server/client
[05:26] <ogra>  - switched ltsp to openbsd-inetd (pitti, please approve before christmas holiday so ltsp is installable during our holiday)
[05:26] <ogra>  - started a lts.conf parser for ltsp-management-gui
[05:26] <ogra>  - new gnome-power-manager
[05:26] <ogra> 
[05:26] <ogra> * next week:
[05:26] <ogra>  - fix final ltsp merge bugs (new locale plugin handling etc)
[05:26] <ogra>  - more work on e-n-a-s
[05:26] <pitti> ogra: oh, ok, will do
[05:26] <ogra>  - more work on ltsp-management-gui
[05:26] <ogra>  - more work on edgy-plusone-thinclient-sound
[05:26] <ogra> 
[05:26] <ogra> * approved specs:
[05:26] <ogra>  - ltsp-fat-clients - partially implemented, good user feedback
[05:26] <ogra>  - edubuntu-network-auth-server - started
[05:26] <ogra>  - edubuntu-network-auth-client - not started
[05:26] <ogra>  - edgy-plusone-thinclient-sound - started
[05:26] <ogra>  - ltsp-management-gui - started
[05:26] <ogra>  - student-control-panel-upgrade - not started
[05:26] <ogra>  - edubuntu-on-two-cds - not started
[05:26] <ogra>  - ltsp-persistent-home - started by sbalneav (waiting for code review)
[05:26] <ogra> sorry for missing last week btw
[05:26] <ogra> pitti, its not urgent, but needs to be in place before herd12
[05:27] <ogra> err
[05:27] <ogra> 2
[05:27] <pitti> ogra: will try to do today before I get drawn into something else again
[05:27] <ogra> mdz, did you see vagrants answer to my mail -> policy violation ?
[05:27] <mdz> ogra: I don't think so
[05:28] <ogra> he showed some valid pointers from the release policy for etch
[05:28] <mdz> ogra: is there a target release date for upstream ltsp 5?
[05:28] <ogra> apparently the debian RM's dchanged the wording from "conffile" to "config file"
[05:29] <ogra> it will release latest with feisty ....
[05:29] <ogra> depends on the other implementations as well
[05:29] <pitti> ogra: conffile vs. config file is animportant difference...
[05:29] <mdz> ogra: debian RMs don't have the authority to change policy, and that sounds like an error
[05:29] <ogra> (redhat and gentoo want to have *something* at least)
[05:30] <mdz> forbidding maintainer scripts from touching all configuration files would be, er, extreme
[05:30] <Keybuk> wouldn't that make debconf illegal?
[05:30] <mdz> anyway I don't think it's necessary to modify /etc/modules in this case, as I said
[05:30] <mdz> but let's discuss it outside of the meeting
[05:30] <mdz> ogra: thanks
[05:30] <mdz> mvo: next
[05:30] <cjwatson>         Packages must not modify their own or other packages conffiles
[05:30] <cjwatson>         programmatically.
[05:30] <ogra>     Packages must not modify other packages' configuration files
[05:30] <cjwatson> sorry, -> #ubuntu-devel
[05:30] <ogra>     except by an agreed upon APIs (eg, a /usr/sbin/update-foo command).
[05:30] <ogra> thast from an RM mail he quoted
[05:31] <mvo> Did:
[05:31] <mvo> - Mail/Bugtriage
[05:31] <mvo> - apt work (catchup with debian patches, prepared SRU for edgy)
[05:31] <mvo> - unattended-upgrades mail notification added
[05:31] <mvo> - work on better commercial software support in g-a-i
[05:31] <mvo> - auto-distupgrader work (fixes in the conffile decetion, tested on ppc as well)
[05:31] <mvo> - CommonCustomizations work
[05:31] <mvo> - free space checking in dist-upgrader rewritten
[05:31] <mvo> - misc merges/uploads (gnome-commander, python-distutils-extas, python-aptutils, dhcp, iptraf, apt-listchanges, python-support,central)
[05:31] <mvo> - Implemented .dsc file build-dep satisfy in gdebi (for iwj auto-pkgtest)
[05:31] <mvo> - some work on the server upgrade tool
[05:31] <mvo> Specs:
[05:31] <mvo> - automatic-upgrade-testing waits for deployment in the datacenter (so blocked currently)
[05:31] <mdz> ogra: RMs don't decide policy
[05:31] <mvo> Will do:
[05:31] <mvo> - merges
[05:31] <mvo> - CommonCustomizations
[05:32] <mdz> mvo: how has edgy->feisty upgrade testing been so far?
[05:32] <mvo> mdz: pretty good actually. I do it on a i386 here regularly and found that it works rather well
[05:32] <mdz> mvo: any issues identified by sysadmin regarding the upgrade testing? or just needs time?
[05:32] <mdz> they have been quick with most things
[05:32] <mvo> I may say "unexpetecedly" well even with 4200 package s installed
[05:33] <mvo> I got no feedback whats blocking the datacenter install, I guess not enough machines
[05:33] <mvo> but that is just a guess
[05:33] <mvo> I also ran it on dholbach ppc successfully
[05:33] <mvo> (thanks dholbach for letting me on the machine :)
[05:33] <dholbach> mvo: for you anytime... ;-)
[05:33] <mdz> mvo: ok, thanks
[05:34] <mdz> heno: next
[05:34] <heno> Done:
[05:34] <heno>  * access-gdm: Upstream are still keen to go the AT-SPI route. That now seems doable with GDM. Not sure about FaceBrowser.
[05:34] <heno>  * multilingual-speech: More work on eSpeak voices, but I've not had time to do a larger community push yet.
[05:34] <heno>  * bug-triage: started helping with ubiquity bugs and reading uiquity code. Wrote a simple script (which dholbach later cleaned up :) ) to assist in some basic triaging tasks. It only does some basic dupe searching ATM, but might grow into something useful. See: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dholbach/bughelper/bughelper.dev
[05:34] <heno>  * launchpad: read up on some launchpad/distro discussions from the past and attended a weekly launchpad meeting. If there are issues you want raised with the LP team you can channel them through me.
[05:34] <heno>  * Other: started monitoring a few forum sections, esp Feisty-development with the aim of lifting out useful info, such as important bugs not reported in Malone.
[05:34] <heno> .
[05:34] <heno> To do:
[05:34] <heno>  * bug-triage: more ubiquity triage. Update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUbiquity with known Edgy bugs. Look at doing the same with other packages (which in turn serves as input for the bughelper script). Pointers to existing such pages welcome.
[05:34] <heno>  * launchpad: Work with matthewrevell on ideas for distro-lp cross linking, including Fix-it Fridays.
[05:34] <heno>  * multilingual-speech: Help community people get started on new eSpeak voices
[05:35] <mdz> heno: did you have a chance to work on that letter to the forums we discussed?
[05:35] <heno> mdz: just bullet points so far
[05:36] <cjwatson> ooh, thanks for bughelper, I must investigate that
[05:36] <heno> mdz: in the next few days I should have a draft
[05:36] <mdz> heno: and please talk with sfllaw to work out how to file important bugs from the forums such that a) they aren't lost in the noise, and b) someone gets subscribed to the bug who can participate in debugging
[05:36] <heno> cjwatson: its very simple ...
[05:37] <dholbach> cjwatson: there's a discussion going on on ubuntu-bugsquad@ which might turn into wiki pages with ideas - the 'official branch' should be ~bugsquad/bughelper/bughelper.main
[05:37] <heno> mdz: right, colin and have started a bit with ubiquity bugs from there
[05:37] <mdz> heno: (unless it's obvious what the bug is and how to fix it without their participation)
[05:37] <heno> Im trying to educate a bit as I bgo along
[05:38] <mdz> heno: I like the idea of adding known high-visibility bugs to the debugging info pages
[05:38] <heno> right
[05:38] <mdz> heno: perhaps we could make that more automatic by tagging the bugs which should appear there
[05:38] <cjwatson> yeah, that was something I did with dapper
[05:38] <cjwatson> doing the same for edgy would be great
[05:39] <heno> or just make a page for each major pkg, xorg, ff, oo, ect
[05:39] <heno> some exist already
[05:40] <heno> but they should be better structured and linked to
[05:40] <mdz> heno: yes, another idea I've had is to group bugs based on user experience, e.g. problems booting, logging in, using the desktop, display issues, etc.
[05:40] <mdz> heno: to make it easier for users to find existing bugs, when they don't know the package affected
[05:40] <mdz> heno: perhaps we should have a longer discussion on ubuntu-devel
[05:40] <mdz> need to move on here
[05:40] <mdz> heno: thanks
[05:40] <mdz> dholbach: next
[05:40] <heno> sounds good
[05:41] <dholbach> Done:
[05:41] <dholbach>  * code-review: announced trial period, got feedback
[05:41] <dholbach>  * automatic-art-builder: mailed Mark, mailed artist who was interested in it, no feedback
[05:41] <dholbach>  * lots of bug triage
[05:41] <dholbach>  * started hacking on Henrik's bughelper
[05:41] <dholbach> Todo:
[05:41] <dholbach>  * 2.17.4
[05:41] <dholbach>  * more bug triage
[05:41] <dholbach>  * hacking on Henrik's bughelper
[05:41] <dholbach>  * bug day
[05:41] <dholbach>  * hacking on the art builder and push the artwork people some more. :-)
[05:41] <dholbach>  * (revu day?)
[05:41] <pitti> heno: I'd glad to talk to you about that bughelper code wrt. apport and bug-reporting-tool integration
[05:41] <pitti> heno: s/glad/be glad/
[05:41] <dholbach> pitti: i thought about stealing your bug patterns idea :)
[05:41] <mdz> dholbach: so no one using the art builder yet?
[05:41] <heno> pitti: cool, lets schedule afterwards
[05:41] <dholbach> mdz: effectively, no :-/
[05:42] <mdz> urgh
[05:42] <mdz> dholbach: please send me a link to the announcement on ubuntu-art and I'll see if I can help stir up some interest
[05:42] <mdz> dholbach: thanks
[05:42] <mdz> seb128: next
[05:42] <dholbach> mdz:  alright
[05:42] <seb128> Specs:
[05:42] <seb128> * easy-codec-installation: no change (mdz, any reply from tim?)
[05:42] <seb128> * tab-consistency: not started
[05:42] <seb128> * desktop-slab: no change, package available to universe, waiting for upstream to know if they will ship the gnome-main-menu applet with GNOME 2.18
[05:42] <seb128> .
[05:43] <seb128> Done:
[05:43] <seb128> * catching up with bugs, backlog around 400 now
[05:43] <seb128> * played with compiz and started updating to the new version
[05:43] <seb128> * a bunch of desktop updates
[05:43] <seb128> .
[05:43] <seb128> To do:
[05:43] <seb128> * upload tracker (0.5.3 with fixed copyright mentions will before next week)
[05:43] <seb128> * update compiz, look at compiz tools package available on revu, contact the guy packaging the to know if he's interested to work join MOTU and work on those packages and compiz
[05:43] <seb128> * keep bug triaging
[05:43] <seb128> * start working on tab-consistency
[05:43] <seb128> * GNOME 2.17.4
[05:43] <ogra> dholbach, i'll point cbx33 to you as well, his wife leads the edubuntu artteam ...
[05:43] <mdz> seb128: yes, tim will complete the gstreamer work by 31 dec
[05:43] <seb128> mdz: excellent, thanks
[05:43] <dholbach> ogra: thanks
[05:44] <mdz> seb128: I asked him to mail patches to you and iwj when he has them
[05:44] <seb128> ok
[05:44] <pitti> seb128: please tell me that the newer compiz versions don't suck so much any more
[05:44] <seb128> pitti: it should be better, that's why I'm working on the update :)
[05:44] <mdz> seb128: if upstream ships gnome-main-menu, do we have transition work to do?  or leave existing users with the old menu on upgrade?
[05:44] <seb128> and understand workspaces
[05:45] <seb128> mdz: they will not ship it by default, just as an option (like the simple icon menu amt)
[05:45] <seb128> atm
[05:45] <seb128> (simple icon menu = the windows like menu, with the logo which opens one menu)
[05:45] <mdz> ah ,ok
[05:45] <mdz> seb128: thanks
[05:45] <mdz> pitti: next
[05:46] <pitti> Done:
[05:46] <pitti>  * merges for main: practically done, (enigmail: we have to permanently fork due to Debian's icedove madness, linux-wlan-ng: Debian has a SVN snapshot instead of stable release, have to evaluate)
[05:46] <pitti>  * zero-configuration-networking: implemented the last unimportant, but hairy bits, now fully complete; announced to -devel, suggested for next UWN. Enjoy!
[05:46] <pitti>  * mount-all-local-filesystems: implemented, announced to -devel. Enjoy!
[05:46] <pitti>  * gnome-mount: discussed de-gnomeification with Xubuntu guys; will eventually happen upstream and not urgent for Xubuntu, thus I set this to Blocked and will just let it sit; fully implemented for Ubuntu's purposes (except that mounting encrypted devices doesn't work, but that's udev-device-mapper)
[05:46] <pitti>  * uploaded g-s-t/s-t-backends/couple of applets SRU to -proposed after cjwatson's review (bug 59946); waiting for button push by an archive admin
[05:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59946 in gnome-system-tools "Admin tools require admin group membership" [High,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59946
[05:46] <pitti>  * fixed avahi regression from last security update
[05:46] <pitti>  * dapper/edgy langpacks made it to -updates
[05:46] <pitti>  * put a considerable dent into my bugs mbox, now < 1000 \o/
[05:46] <pitti>  * ~/.xsession-errors handling: posted options to -devel, waiting for more feedback
[05:46] <pitti> Todo:
[05:46] <pitti>  * do my share of universe merges
[05:46] <pitti>  * more bug triage
[05:46] <pitti>  * but: tomorrow is my last official workday for this year, then: holiday! I'll probably do some bits next week (hacking on apport, yummy), but I have some christmas preparations to do, so don't expect too much
[05:46] <doko> pitti: do we target tb-2.0 for feisty?
[05:46] <pitti> doko: didn't spend any thoughts about it, but if it arrives on time, sure
[05:47] <cjwatson> I'll do g-s-t after these meetings
[05:47] <pitti> it has very few reverse dependencies
[05:47] <mdz> pitti: please register a new spec for mounting local filesystems on the live CD and add it to the list for the sprint, I'd like to talk about this
[05:47] <pitti> cjwatson: thank you (also for the review and your eagle eye)
[05:47] <Mithrandir> pitti: z-c-n seems to have blown up quite badly for me, I need to sit down and find out what's going on, but it has mostly broken NM for me.
[05:47] <pitti> mdz: unless you want them to be automatically mounted this should just work
[05:47] <mdz> pitti: consider splitting gnome-mount since the core part is implemented
[05:47] <pitti> mdz: and I wouldn't like them to be automounted
[05:47] <mdz> pitti: I want them to be automatically mounted :-)
[05:47] <mdz> at least in some cases. and so do many users
[05:47] <pitti> mdz: gnome-mount-xubuntu split? sounds fine
[05:48] <mdz> let's talk through the issues at the sprint
[05:48] <mdz> see if we can do something useful
[05:48] <pitti> Mithrandir: ok, let's debug this at some time
[05:48] <Mithrandir> pitti: yeah; not here. :-)
[05:48] <pitti> mdz: right; shouldn't be hard to do anyway
[05:48] <pitti> mdz: automount> urgh
[05:48] <ogra> heh
[05:48] <mdz> pitti: ok, thanks
[05:48] <mdz> zul: next
[05:49] <ogra> pitti, according to the feedback to your announcement, thats what everybody expected :)
[05:49] <kylem> he just said on #-kernel he's gone for lunch
[05:49] <pitti> ogra: I didn't interpret it that way
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[05:49] <ogra> pitti, i know :)
[05:50] <mdz> sfllaw: next
[05:50] <sfllaw> Done:
[05:50] <sfllaw>  * Bug triage
[05:50] <sfllaw>  * Documentation
[05:50] <sfllaw>  * SRUs: openoffice.org
[05:50] <sfllaw>  * Interviewed another intern
[05:50] <sfllaw>  * Accepted three interns for me.  One for Jeff.
[05:50] <sfllaw> To do:
[05:50] <sfllaw>  * SRUs: vino, udev, initramfs-tools
[05:50] <sfllaw>  * Bug triage
[05:50] <sfllaw>  * Hug day
[05:50] <mdz> sfllaw: everything sorted with equipment for interns?
[05:50] <sfllaw>  * Accepting people into Ubuntu QA
[05:50] <sfllaw>  * Paperwork for interns
[05:50] <sfllaw> Blocked:
[05:50] <sfllaw>  * SRUs: synaptic (cjwatson & mvo?)
[05:51] <sfllaw> heno: Thanks for being the LP-Distro bridge.
[05:51] <sfllaw> I asked jbailey to put in an order.
[05:51] <sfllaw> Continuing to ping him until he does.
[05:51] <mdz> sfllaw: could we start getting the open bug stats weekly again?  stub can add them to cricket to make that a simple matter
[05:51] <cjwatson> sfllaw: yeah, erm, blush
[05:52] <mdz> sfllaw: is there progress on making the text changes to launchpad for bug workflow? (e.g., statuses)
[05:52] <sfllaw> UWN has them, actually.
[05:52] <sfllaw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue24
[05:52] <sfllaw> But I'll ask stubs to make better cricket things for us.
[05:52] <mdz> not sure how the schedule matches the one for these meetings, but at any rate, it's useful
[05:53] <sfllaw> mdz: I haven't heard anything from the LP people.  But am looking forward to their Fridays in January.
[05:53] <sfllaw> mdz: I'll bug BjornT then, but am unsure how quickly he'll prioritize.
[05:53] <sfllaw> It's not like bradb, where I could bribe him with beer.
[05:53] <mdz> sfllaw: please mail steve/kiko instead, they determine the priorities
[05:53] <Mithrandir> ok, I need to go now; see you all later.
[05:53] <mdz> and as i understood it this was a small change
[05:54] <mdz> sfllaw: thanks
[05:54] <mdz> Keybuk: next
[05:54] <sfllaw> OK.  Will put some pressure on them.
[05:54] <Keybuk> Done
[05:54] <Keybuk>     *
[05:54] <Keybuk>       finished off upstart specs necessary for feisty
[05:54] <Keybuk>     *
[05:54] <Keybuk>       borrowed binary-driver-education from mvo; will be integrating with BenC's device manager
[05:54] <Keybuk>     *
[05:54] <Keybuk>       started work on upstart
[05:54] <Keybuk> To do
[05:54] <Keybuk>     *
[05:54] <Keybuk>       upstart development for replacement initscripts
[05:54] <Keybuk>     *
[05:54] <Keybuk>       get udev into shape as it's blocking a couple of other specs now
[05:54] <Keybuk>     *
[05:54] <Keybuk>       holiday (mostly as an excuse to only work 8 hours a day <g>)
[05:54] <Keybuk> (bah, pasted badly; sorry)
[05:55] <mdz> Keybuk: have you started looking at accelerated-x?
[05:55] <Keybuk> mdz: yes
[05:55] <Keybuk> I have it working here
[05:56] <mdz> Keybuk: ok, thanks
[05:56] <mdz> kylem: next
[05:56] <kylem> Done:
[05:56] <kylem>   * Backported ipw3945 1.1.3 to feisty/edgy/dapper
[05:56] <kylem>   * Fix build of ipw3945 on dapper kernels
[05:56] <kylem>   * Fixed a large portion of ubuntu/ for INIT_WORK changes
[05:56] <kylem>   * Update sky2/tg3 for dapper-updates
[05:56] <kylem>   * Backport forcedeth for dapper-updates/edgy-updates
[05:56] <kylem>   * Update net_driver compat header for dapper
[05:56] <kylem>   * d80211 INIT_WORK cleanups for ubuntu-2.6.git (with mjg59)
[05:56] <kylem> Todo:
[05:56] <kylem>   * Merge the -proposed trees with Ben's and upload
[05:56] <kylem>   * CVE-2006-4572 fix for dapper-security/breezy-security
[05:57] <mdz> kylem: cool, thanks
[05:57] <mdz> missed anyone?
[05:58] <fabbione> -3 minutes to deadline
[05:58] <tkamppeter_> Me.
[05:58] <sfllaw> Can I please ask everyone to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelTeamMeeting20061214 with their summaries?  Thanks.
[05:58] <mdz> tkamppeter_: next
[05:58] <tkamppeter_> DONE:
[05:58] <tkamppeter_> - Answered to bug reports
[05:58] <tkamppeter_> - Fixed regression in HPLIP (missing SANE driver after last upstream update,
[05:58] <tkamppeter_>   re-fixes bug 65908, doko, take care of not breaking this with the next
[05:58] <tkamppeter_>   upstream update of HPLIP)
[05:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65908 in hplip "libsane-hpaio.so not shipped anymore" [Critical,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65908
[05:58] <tkamppeter_> - Made a suggestion for handling the case that the GUI of HPLIP needs
[05:58] <tkamppeter_>   Python/Qt which is not on the desktop CD, but no answer so far
[05:58] <tkamppeter_>   (bug 67892)
[05:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67892 in hplip "HPLIP failed to start PyQt/Qt missing" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67892
[05:59] <tkamppeter_> - Submitted new package SpliX (driver for cheapo laser printers from
[05:59] <tkamppeter_>   Samsung, more reliable than old "gdi" driver (pitti tried it out),
[05:59] <tkamppeter_>   introduces support for color lasers), fixes bug 44407, bug 63802, and
[05:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44407 in foomatic-db "Samsung clp510 not working" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44407
[05:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63802 in cupsys "[Edgy]  unable to install printer Samsung CLP 510" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63802
[05:59] <tkamppeter_>   bug 59829 (package not in Debian)
[05:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59829 in Ubuntu "No driver for Samsung ML-1610 printer" [Wishlist,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59829
[05:59] <tkamppeter_> - Prepared better support for Brother's bw lasers in foomatic-db upstream.
[05:59] <tkamppeter_>   See announcement on www.linuxprinting.org front page and
[05:59] <tkamppeter_>   http://forums.openprinting.org/read.php?24,106 This gives access to
[05:59] <tkamppeter_>   HQ1200 (2400x600 dpi), Duplex, tray selection Economode, and password-
[05:59] <tkamppeter_>   protected printing to all Brother lasers (should even make the
[05:59] <tkamppeter_>   PostScript and PCL models working better).
[05:59] <tkamppeter_> 
[05:59] <mdz> tkamppeter_: note that the meeting schedule has changed somewhat to alternate between 1600 UTC and 2100 UTC.  you should be able to attend each meeting now, yes?
[06:00] <tkamppeter_> Yes, it is easier for me now. Last week I could not attend because I was on travel to Portland for the OSDL Desktop Architects Meeting.
[06:00] <mdz> tkamppeter_: ok, we'll include you in the normal roll then
[06:01] <mdz> tkamppeter_: thanks
[06:01] <tkamppeter_> When I arrived in the hotel I started xchat and the meeting was just over.
[06:01] <mdz> that's a wrap, folks.  note that a canonical meeting follows immediately
[06:01] <sfllaw> Can we have a short break.
[06:01] <sfllaw> ?
[06:01] <BenC> later everyone
[06:41] <ranf> bug 73955
[06:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73955 in console-setup "Clobbered X screen state during installation" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73955
[06:46] <ranf> bug 67299
[06:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67299 in mdadm "mdadm causes boot to hang for 4 minutes" [High,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67299
[07:40] <keeb_> and i was liekkkkkkk
[07:40] <keeb_> hi2u
[07:49] <juliux> @schedule berlin
[07:49] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 15 Dec 21:00: MOTU | 19 Dec 21:00: Technical Board | 20 Dec 21:00: Edubuntu | 21 Dec 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 27 Dec 13:00: Edubuntu | 28 Dec 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team