| jdong | ack screw it, 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 | 12:12 |
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| jdong | (read in French) | 12:12 |
| LaserJock | yeah, gotta know the essentials | 12:12 |
| jdong | there. | 12:13 |
| LaserJock | download | 12:13 |
| LaserJock | GPL should be the same :-) | 12:13 |
| sistpoty | *g* | 12:13 |
| LaserJock | and if it has euro signs next to it don't click | 12:13 |
| LaserJock | I had one package where the homepage was entirely Japanese | 12:13 |
| LaserJock | that was difficult | 12:13 |
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| jdong | LaserJock: heh, I'd do better with that than French | 12:14 |
| === jdong notes conflicting reports of stock repo nvidia-legacy breaking too | ||
| jdong | fixable by a depmod -ae | 12:15 |
| jdong | argh, this is beyond frustrating to try to support | 12:15 |
| === sistpoty uses the binary nvidia driver *duck* | ||
| jdong | sistpoty: you don't need to duck unless you say you used a 3rd party repo or automatix to install it :D | 12:20 |
| tsmithe | yeah he does | 12:21 |
| tsmithe | non believer! | 12:21 |
| sistpoty | jdong: hm... earlier on, I'd say that I compiled it myself (the debian way though)... but with ubuntu I changed to stock kernel + stock binary module | 12:21 |
| jdong | the thing is | 12:22 |
| jdong | it seems like 3rd party 9631 is most likely to break | 12:22 |
| jdong | and in a very destructive manner too | 12:22 |
| jdong | nvidia_drv.o disappears from xorg's directory | 12:23 |
| jdong | but official drivers have been reported to break and require a depmod -ae, too | 12:23 |
| jdong | although it's all wildly inconsistent | 12:23 |
| LaserJock | jdong: what do you mean by "3rd party"? | 12:23 |
| jdong | LaserJock: like tsmithe or amaranth's repositories | 12:23 |
| jdong | LaserJock: that provide a modified lrm package with updated nvidia | 12:23 |
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| Amaranth | jdong: nvidia_drv.o doesn't not exist | 12:24 |
| jdong | LaserJock: typically used by beryl-ites for their native indirect rendering, etc | 12:24 |
| jdong | Amaranth: .so? | 12:24 |
| Amaranth | jdong: it was replaced by nvidia_drv.so in the 9xxx series | 12:24 |
| Amaranth | my package includes it | 12:24 |
| jdong | that's what I meant | 12:24 |
| jdong | Amaranth: but the breakage cases I've seen, all nvidia* disappears | 12:24 |
| jdong | so does libglx* | 12:24 |
| Amaranth | how is that possible? | 12:24 |
| jdong | from /usr/lib/xorg{/drivers} | 12:24 |
| jdong | Amaranth: I DONT KNOW | 12:24 |
| jdong | that's what puzzles me :) | 12:24 |
| tsmithe | jdong, I don't provide a repo (not enough bandwidth) | 12:25 |
| jdong | and nobody has been able to reproduce it more than once | 12:25 |
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| jdong | i.e. forcing a downgrade and re-upgrade cannot make the files disappear again | 12:25 |
| jdong | but clearly to begin with when I diagnosed their problems | 12:25 |
| jdong | all userspace nvidia vanished without a trace | 12:25 |
| Amaranth | tsmithe: You are the creator of envy? | 12:25 |
| jdong | but the kernel module was intact | 12:25 |
| tsmithe | Amaranth, errrr.... no | 12:25 |
| jdong | tsmithe: sorry, my misinformation | 12:26 |
| tsmithe | i am not alberto milone | 12:26 |
| tsmithe | :) | 12:26 |
| Amaranth | oh, that's who that is | 12:26 |
| tsmithe | :) | 12:26 |
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| jdong | anyway | 12:28 |
| jdong | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1882869 | 12:28 |
| jdong | this is my attempt at centralizing a thread for this issue | 12:28 |
| jdong | it already has some interesting reports from users | 12:28 |
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| sistpoty | hi minghua | 12:30 |
| minghua | hello sistpoty | 12:31 |
| Amaranth | jdong: oh shit, there is a new l-r-m in edgy-security? | 12:33 |
| Amaranth | jdong: that will force the uninstall of nvidia-glx | 12:33 |
| jdong | no no no | 12:34 |
| jdong | relax | 12:34 |
| Amaranth | and they will not be able to reinstall nvidia-glx until the 3rd party l-r-m is updated | 12:34 |
| jdong | no new l-r-m | 12:34 |
| Amaranth | it's a kernel? | 12:34 |
| jdong | just new l-i | 12:34 |
| jdong | right | 12:34 |
| jdong | new kernel | 12:34 |
| jdong | still ABI number 10 | 12:34 |
| jdong | so IN THEORY nothing should break | 12:34 |
| jdong | however, many users are reporting such breakages | 12:34 |
| jdong | not nearly as global as the famous dapper incident | 12:34 |
| jdong | but still enough that it doesn't sseem to be random | 12:34 |
| === Burgwork hugs slomo_ | ||
| Burgwork | thanks for ffmpeg | 12:35 |
| Amaranth | jdong: does it remove nvidia-glx? | 12:35 |
| Amaranth | also, what the hell happened to the forums? | 12:36 |
| jdong | Amaranth: no, it doesn't remove nvidia-glx | 12:36 |
| jdong | Amaranth: but many files from nvidia-glx magically disappeard for some users | 12:36 |
| jdong | during the upgrade | 12:36 |
| jdong | Amaranth: which a reinstall of nvidia-glx fixed | 12:36 |
| jdong | again, very very very weird | 12:36 |
| jdong | I acn't explain how it happened | 12:36 |
| Amaranth | that is uncanny | 12:36 |
| jdong | Amaranth: what do you mean what happened to the forums? | 12:36 |
| Amaranth | jdong: the colors are all screwed up | 12:36 |
| jdong | I think it's called a "new theme" | 12:37 |
| jdong | I wasn't involved in that | 12:37 |
| === _MMA_ wonders also. Some brown is back. | ||
| jdong | so I can't say for sure | 12:37 |
| jdong | the brown->black is a new theme | 12:37 |
| jdong | I can't tell for sure if it's intended that way or still in adjustment | 12:37 |
| jdong | again, I don't do the artwork :) | 12:37 |
| === _MMA_ misses the brown. :( | ||
| jdong | heh | 12:40 |
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| sistpoty | wb | 12:55 |
| LaserJock | hola ajmitch | 12:55 |
| ajmitch | what's new? | 12:56 |
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| jdong | LaserJock: you speak french? ;-) | 12:57 |
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| LaserJock | but of course amigo | 12:58 |
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| sistpoty | wee... colors in buildlog... never seen this before while building a package | 01:02 |
| jdong | apparently cmake based builds are colorful | 01:03 |
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| jdong | aah crap I guess I wasn't supposed to cut that | 01:05 |
| sistpoty | scons this time... just really funny to have it in a buildlog *g* | 01:05 |
| jdong | anyone here who works in retail security? | 01:05 |
| jdong | or otherwise has suggestions for disabling the security thing they put on electronics boxes? | 01:06 |
| jdong | they left it on something I purchased | 01:06 |
| jdong | so I thought I was supposed to snip it off | 01:06 |
| jdong | but that obviously activated the alarm | 01:06 |
| jdong | (wow that was stupid in retrospect) | 01:06 |
| jdong | aah, I can't take it | 01:07 |
| jdong | help! | 01:07 |
| jdong | I'm beating it senseless with a 6-cell police-issue maglite | 01:08 |
| jdong | and it's still beeping louder than my fire alarm | 01:08 |
| jdong | my family here is pointing and laughing at me.... | 01:08 |
| === sistpoty points and laughs at jdong as well :P | ||
| jdong | un believable | 01:09 |
| jdong | I have it in a hot water and hydrochloric acid solution | 01:09 |
| jdong | and it's still beeping | 01:10 |
| crimsun_ | got a young niece/nephew? | 01:10 |
| jdong | and the resonation in the water is worse | 01:10 |
| LaserJock | umm, where did you get the HCL? | 01:10 |
| jdong | crimsun_: it's not gonna work better than a 15-pound maglite | 01:10 |
| crimsun_ | (and the speed of sound bit...) | 01:10 |
| crimsun_ | jdong: truly spoken as someone without kids | 01:10 |
| jdong | LaserJock: they sell it as industrial toilet bowl cleaner | 01:10 |
| LaserJock | heh | 01:10 |
| LaserJock | ah | 01:10 |
| jdong | LaserJock: actually I think it's supposed to be used as whitewash | 01:11 |
| jdong | as a sulfuric acid replacement | 01:11 |
| jdong | but it's not working :) | 01:11 |
| jdong | crimsun_: I was joking | 01:11 |
| jdong | crimsun_: I've got a 6-year-old younger sibling who I love dearly | 01:11 |
| crimsun_ | kids have amazing comprehension | 01:11 |
| jdong | HA! YES! STOPPED IT | 01:12 |
| sistpoty | hehe, and I they even love things that make sounds | 01:12 |
| sistpoty | -I | 01:12 |
| jdong | who says this EMP device won't come in handy? | 01:12 |
| jdong | gotta love 2.5F of capacitance and a 4000-turn coil | 01:13 |
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| jdong | is it friday the 13th and nobody told me? | 01:14 |
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| jdong | there that was fun | 01:16 |
| jdong | now, jdong, what did we learn NOT to do today.... | 01:16 |
| zul | not to smoke crack | 01:17 |
| jdong | zul: no, that was yesterday | 01:18 |
| LaserJock | must be some left in your system | 01:18 |
| jdong | perhaps there was | 01:18 |
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| === sistpoty needs to go to bed now | ||
| sistpoty | gn8 everyone | 01:20 |
| jdong | night | 01:20 |
| jdong | zul: and in my defense nobody could've anticipated that there'd be an _alarm_ in the knobby security device thing | 01:20 |
| jdong | I thought it was just something used to activate the door alarm | 01:21 |
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| zul | o..k | 01:23 |
| LaserJock | an ubuntu1 version overrides a build1 version doesn't it | 01:24 |
| jdong | u > b | 01:24 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: yes, it does | 01:25 |
| LaserJock | right, excellent | 01:26 |
| LaserJock | almost have my 2 Main srus done | 01:26 |
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| LaserJock | bddebian! | 01:31 |
| bddebian | Heya LaserJock | 01:32 |
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| fernando | hi all | 01:37 |
| ajmitch | uh oh, bddebian is here | 01:37 |
| bddebian | Hi fernando | 01:37 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Hi to you too :-) | 01:37 |
| fernando | hey bddebian | 01:40 |
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| joejaxx | Hello everyone | 02:16 |
| joejaxx | i have an interesting question for you all :P | 02:16 |
| joejaxx | is there a way to install a debian package and restrict it from starting any services that might be linked to it at the time of the install? | 02:17 |
| joejaxx | for example | 02:17 |
| joejaxx | openssh-server | 02:17 |
| joejaxx | how could you stop it from from /etc/init.d/ssh start at the time of install | 02:18 |
| LaserJock | well, remove it's postinst :-) | 02:18 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: well i meant without modifying the package :P | 02:18 |
| joejaxx | too bad there is not a sudo apt-get install blah --do-not-start-services | 02:19 |
| minghua | joejaxx: because dpkg/apt knows nothing about starting services | 02:20 |
| imbrandon | the debian way is not to have services installed that arent going to be run , unlike redhat etc where sendmail etc might be installed but not running | 02:20 |
| minghua | joejaxx: it only executes the postinst script | 02:20 |
| minghua | exactly what imbrandon said | 02:20 |
| joejaxx | i wonder how i can get hal to install then | 02:21 |
| minghua | that's also why openssh-server and openssh-client are split up | 02:21 |
| crimsun_ | remove the call to setup_init in openssh-server.postinst | 02:21 |
| joejaxx | or i think that was the package | 02:21 |
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| joejaxx | because i cannot have two hal instances running at the same time :P | 02:21 |
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| joejaxx | crimsun_: yes but that calls for modifying the package which is bad in this case | 02:22 |
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| crimsun_ | hal instances? what precisely are you referring to? | 02:22 |
| crimsun_ | hald? hald-runner? hald-addon-* ? | 02:23 |
| joejaxx | installing hal in a chroot environment | 02:23 |
| joejaxx | hald | 02:23 |
| joejaxx | i think that is the service if i remember correctly | 02:23 |
| joejaxx | you all probably think it is weird i am trying to do that lol | 02:25 |
| crimsun_ | not really, since it works fine here. | 02:26 |
| joejaxx | crimsun_: hmmm | 02:27 |
| joejaxx | hold on let me see | 02:27 |
| joejaxx | it might not be hald then | 02:31 |
| joejaxx | hald i think is the one that takes a while for the service to start when installing the package | 02:32 |
| joejaxx | i can tell you in 8 minutes | 02:32 |
| joejaxx | i am debootstaping the os now | 02:32 |
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| minghua | Hmm, so there is a Houston LoCo team... | 02:33 |
| joejaxx | AHHh | 02:34 |
| joejaxx | i know what it is now | 02:34 |
| joejaxx | it is acpi | 02:34 |
| joejaxx | acpid | 02:34 |
| joejaxx | that one | 02:34 |
| joejaxx | sorry about that hal installs it jut takes a WHILE for the daemon to start | 02:35 |
| keescook | hm, anyone used vmware-player on feisty? Its fonts are trashed. :( | 02:36 |
| imbrandon | no player | 02:36 |
| imbrandon | i have used console alot | 02:36 |
| imbrandon | e.g. vmware console | 02:37 |
| joejaxx | crimsun_: it is acpid | 02:37 |
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| rmjb | why is it, when I choose dapper-backports on packages.ubuntu.com the results come up for edgy? | 02:52 |
| LaserJock | who knows :-) | 02:55 |
| imbrandon | zomg | 02:56 |
| imbrandon | look at the gid headlines | 02:56 |
| imbrandon | "Ubuntu Satanic Edition Released!!" | 02:56 |
| rmjb | i checked the url and it also has dapper-backports, so it seems something with the searching rather than the search form | 02:56 |
| Lathiat | thats old IIRC | 02:56 |
| Lathiat | like 2 months old | 02:56 |
| rmjb | imbrandon: where's that headline? | 02:56 |
| Lathiat | yay collectively memory of digg < goldfish ;) | 02:56 |
| imbrandon | rmjb: digg front page | 02:56 |
| Lathiat | according to some stats the collective memory of digg is ~30 days | 02:57 |
| Lathiat | before things start repeating again consistently | 02:57 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: imbrandon | 02:58 |
| === joejaxx is crazy and is trying to install acpid in a chroot :P | ||
| jdong | Lathiat: FYI goldfish have >30day memory | 02:58 |
| joejaxx | riddle me that one | 02:58 |
| jdong | I used to train fish as a hobby | 02:58 |
| jdong | joejaxx: not again :P | 02:59 |
| joejaxx | jdong: really? | 02:59 |
| Lathiat | jdong: hence digg < goldfish? ;) | 02:59 |
| joejaxx | jdong: haha! | 02:59 |
| jdong | joejaxx: absolutely | 02:59 |
| jdong | they're not the brightest fish | 02:59 |
| jdong | but they are really really motivated by food | 02:59 |
| joejaxx | jdong: how long does it take | 02:59 |
| jdong | unlike some other fish | 02:59 |
| joejaxx | oh | 02:59 |
| Lathiat | mythbusters did some stuff with them | 02:59 |
| Lathiat | that was interesting; | 02:59 |
| jdong | it takes about a week to get them to follow a stupid obstacle course | 02:59 |
| jdong | they respond to bright flourescent colors really well | 02:59 |
| jdong | and food ALONG the colors :) | 03:00 |
| jdong | but you can get the to swim in a distinct pattern along the bottom of the tank | 03:00 |
| jdong | but after they are trained, they will retain it for a long long time | 03:00 |
| jdong | and if you refresh them like every month with one dry run, they'll remember | 03:01 |
| joejaxx | jdong: wow | 03:01 |
| jdong | but I've left them alone for several months before, and they'll still kinda do the trick | 03:01 |
| jdong | though with a few flaws here and tehre | 03:01 |
| jdong | but that definitely proves they don't have a 3-second memory | 03:01 |
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| === Lathiat nods | ||
| jdong | so yeah, goldfish < digg :D | 03:01 |
| === Lathiat hits up youtube | ||
| jdong | now enough of exposing more of my nerdiness | 03:02 |
| Lathiat | jdong: reverse digg,goldfish ;) | 03:02 |
| jdong | Lathiat: it's been a LONG day | 03:02 |
| jdong | :) | 03:02 |
| === jdong invites Lathiat to read scrollback about me with the stupid security tag | ||
| Lathiat | the mythbusters goldfish thing isnt on youtube | 03:07 |
| Lathiat | im dispapointed | 03:07 |
| Lathiat | i'll extract it later | 03:07 |
| === crimsun_ groans | ||
| crimsun_ | no. Don't respond directly to me in a bug report. Don't mail me 4 MB jpg attachments, playlists, etc. | 03:09 |
| jdong | LOL | 03:09 |
| crimsun_ | this bug reporting is getting out of hand. | 03:09 |
| jdong | crimsun_: I'm sorry :) | 03:09 |
| imbrandon | 4mb jpeg, wow crimsun_ | 03:10 |
| crimsun_ | apparently I'm still downloading the mpg that is attached. | 03:11 |
| imbrandon | zomg | 03:11 |
| rmjb | jdong: I saw the backport log for torrentflux | 03:11 |
| rmjb | you said you had it working on dapper? | 03:11 |
| jdong | rmjb: correct | 03:12 |
| jdong | rmjb: I have it running on my dapper server | 03:12 |
| jdong | rmjb: sup? | 03:12 |
| jdong | crimsun_: ha! a mpeg-2 screen cap? | 03:12 |
| rmjb | what does it take? just the edgy source files and debuild and install? | 03:12 |
| rmjb | I want to get it on my dapper server too | 03:12 |
| jdong | rmjb: pretty much yeah, bump down the version a bit with a ~ tag of some sort | 03:13 |
| jdong | rmjb: like append ~0rmjb1 | 03:13 |
| rmjb | cool | 03:13 |
| rmjb | thanks | 03:13 |
| jdong | crimsun_: then I shouldn't be submitting my bugs in an h.264 encoded interpretive dance? | 03:13 |
| crimsun_ | by all means, you -should-! | 03:14 |
| crimsun_ | my killfile AI needs training anyhow | 03:14 |
| ajmitch | sigh, just got sistpoty's mail about the meeting date | 03:15 |
| jdong | :) | 03:15 |
| ajmitch | even though it was sent > 4 hours ago | 03:15 |
| jdong | crimsun_: on second thoughts I'll encode it in RealVideo4 :) | 03:15 |
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| rmjb_ | I probably got d/c before my last message made it so here it is again | 03:21 |
| rmjb_ | jdong: since the backport for it to dapper is not complete, is there anything I should be aware of? any package I should have pre-installed? like mysql-client | 03:21 |
| jdong | rmjb you should have a fully functional LAMP stack installed | 03:21 |
| jdong | rmjb: including an operational mysql-server | 03:21 |
| jdong | and client | 03:21 |
| jdong | installed | 03:21 |
| jdong | rmjb: torrentflux postinst will want to set up the database for you | 03:22 |
| rmjb_ | I have apache2, phpX and mysql from attempting mythtv before, so I should be set | 03:22 |
| jdong | cool | 03:23 |
| jdong | that'll do | 03:23 |
| imbrandon | dget http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/apache2/apache2_2.2.3-3.2.dsc | 03:25 |
| imbrandon | gah | 03:25 |
| jdong | Password: | 03:25 |
| jdong | oh wait nvm | 03:26 |
| jdong | :D | 03:26 |
| imbrandon | heh | 03:26 |
| rmjb_ | jdong: so what's needed to complete the backport? | 03:27 |
| jdong | rmjb_: it doesn't depend on anything else | 03:28 |
| jdong | rmjb_: heck since it's a php arch-neutral package you can just install the deb if you want | 03:29 |
| rmjb_ | from edgy? | 03:29 |
| jdong | yeah sure why not :) | 03:30 |
| jdong | it's pretty safe to do | 03:30 |
| jdong | with this particular package | 03:30 |
| rmjb_ | will give it a shot then | 03:31 |
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| imbrandon | ajmitch: ping | 03:46 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: pong | 03:46 |
| imbrandon | heya do you have that hook handy that lets the pbuilder install froim the results dir | 03:46 |
| imbrandon | from* | 03:46 |
| imbrandon | you know what one i'm talking about hehe | 03:47 |
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| ajmitch | imbrandon: yeah, I do | 03:53 |
| === ajmitch digs | ||
| ajmitch | some of it is in the pbuilder config | 03:53 |
| imbrandon | thanks | 03:55 |
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| imbrandon | hrm i think someone messed up | 05:00 |
| imbrandon | http://releases.ubuntu.com/ <-- isnt that supose to be the cd releases ? | 05:00 |
| Lathiat | yes, looks b0rk | 05:01 |
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| Admiral_Chicago | that's not right... | 05:08 |
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| kkubasik | Sorry if anyone here is also in ubuntu-desktop, as I just asked there, but here it goes | 05:35 |
| kkubasik | I have an updated patch against our current gtk+ that adds search support to the file chooser | 05:35 |
| kkubasik | pretty wicked, I'm testing the build now, but need a hand figuring out how to get the patch into the gtk package | 05:35 |
| kkubasik | so that I can approach ubuntu core with it | 05:35 |
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| Simon80 | I agree PFA is trollish, but she's on the line only | 05:58 |
| Simon80 | just walks along it really | 05:58 |
| Simon80 | shit, wrong chan | 05:59 |
| Simon80 | err.. !ohmy | 05:59 |
| imbrandon | :) | 05:59 |
| Simon80 | lol | 05:59 |
| Simon80 | looks lik stepmania's going to be a while btw | 05:59 |
| Simon80 | I'm trying to work with upstream to clean out the theme for the cvs version, if that is feasible in a quick fashion (this isn't entirely likely though) then I'll package that | 06:00 |
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| ajmitch | Simon80: heh | 06:01 |
| Simon80 | yeah | 06:01 |
| Simon80 | well, I'm trying | 06:01 |
| Simon80 | I really would like to sort it out so that it's no longer an issue | 06:01 |
| Simon80 | but the culture around the game grew up around ripping off official songs, lol | 06:02 |
| Simon80 | so they don't tend to meticulously document the copyright | 06:02 |
| Simon80 | 3.9 though, not happening | 06:02 |
| Simon80 | unless I find a purely legal theme to replace the default, and even that may not happen, the themes cascade, lol | 06:02 |
| Simon80 | so I would maybe have to hack on it... and that's ridiculous, theming stepmania is ridiculous | 06:03 |
| Simon80 | so at most I'll try to replace media for them if I have time and there's a need | 06:03 |
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| === Hobbsee wishes that she lived in a timezone that didnt suck. | ||
| === somerville32 bugs Hobbsee | ||
| somerville32 | ... | 06:25 |
| === somerville32 hugs Hobbsee. | ||
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: live in NZ | 06:25 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: i'm not sure that would help | 06:26 |
| ajmitch | sure it would | 06:26 |
| ajmitch | at least it's a nicer place to live | 06:26 |
| Hobbsee | hrm | 06:27 |
| imbrandon | gnight all | 06:29 |
| ajmitch | hight imbrandon | 06:29 |
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| crimsun_ | Hobbsee: not sure what you're referring to wrt ubuntu-universe-sponsors | 06:47 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun_: the mailing list was going to everyone | 06:48 |
| crimsun_ | right | 06:48 |
| Hobbsee | people complained, so i put the contact address as one of my other emails | 06:48 |
| Hobbsee | you're free to be an admin of it, and deal with it however, if you want | 06:48 |
| crimsun_ | can we set up a mailing list for u-u-s? | 06:49 |
| Hobbsee | probably, but i've got no idea on how ot | 06:49 |
| Hobbsee | *to | 06:49 |
| crimsun_ | that's pretty much what happened for motumedia, among others | 06:49 |
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| minghua | Hobbsee: thanks for taking care of the ubuntu-universe-sponsors bugmail stuff | 07:07 |
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| Hobbsee | minghua: ugh, yeah | 07:08 |
| Hobbsee | minghua: i'm seriously thinking about putting someone else in charge of it, so they dont screw it up | 07:08 |
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| superm1 | Is there a way to set a package's preinst to be dependent on being installed only after another package finishes setting up its conffiles? | 07:11 |
| minghua | Hobbsee: you were not screwing it up | 07:13 |
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| superm1 | better yet - would pre-depends cover this? | 07:14 |
| minghua | superm1: you mean preinst being *run* | 07:14 |
| minghua | ? | 07:14 |
| superm1 | yes | 07:14 |
| Hobbsee | minghua: yes, launchpad is absolutely moronic, which is why i hadnt dealt with the mail crap before that | 07:15 |
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| minghua | superm1: and what do you mean by "setting up its conffiles"? the other package's postinst needs to be run first? | 07:15 |
| minghua | Hobbsee: you are doing good, don't worry :-) | 07:16 |
| superm1 | well its not the other package's postinst doing it, its just a conffile that appears to get setup at the end of the install | 07:16 |
| Hobbsee | heh, okay | 07:16 |
| superm1 | gdm in particular. if i make my package dependent on gdm, i wanted my preinst to be able to read something from gdm.conf-custom | 07:17 |
| superm1 | but its not existing unless gdm is fully installed | 07:17 |
| minghua | hmm, then how is it a conffile... | 07:18 |
| superm1 | i'm assuming during install, its called gdm.conf-custom.dpkgNEW or something | 07:19 |
| superm1 | to that nature | 07:19 |
| minghua | superm1: but it sounds like you need a Pre-Depends | 07:19 |
| superm1 | yea thats what i'm thinkin i'm needing after looking at the DNMG | 07:19 |
| superm1 | more closely | 07:19 |
| minghua | just for the record, there is no gdm.conf-custom conffile in Debian | 07:20 |
| superm1 | but there is in Ubuntu | 07:21 |
| superm1 | this package is gonna be ubuntu specific | 07:21 |
| superm1 | :) | 07:21 |
| minghua | sure | 07:21 |
| minghua | I'm just saying :-) | 07:21 |
| superm1 | thanks a bunch | 07:22 |
| minghua | superm1: it sounds strange though | 07:22 |
| minghua | superm1: are you sure that file is listed in /var/lib/dpkg/info/gdm.conffiles? | 07:22 |
| superm1 | well i just tested it and it worked | 07:22 |
| superm1 | with a pre-depends | 07:22 |
| superm1 | minghua, yes it is. cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/gdm.conffiles | grep custom | 07:23 |
| superm1 | /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom | 07:23 |
| minghua | enemies-of-carlotta? that's a package name? | 07:23 |
| superm1 | wow, weird name for a mailing list manager | 07:24 |
| minghua | superm1: okay thanks. but people are supposed to modify that file, aren't they? that would make upgrade unnecessarily painful. | 07:24 |
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| minghua | superm1: yeah, I thought it's a game or something | 07:25 |
| superm1 | well what i'm trying to do is provide an alternate file in a different directory, divert the original to a /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom-original, and then use a symlink to link /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom to my alternate file | 07:25 |
| superm1 | the package is a metapackage that is trying to automate the configuration of several apps to fine tune a machine for a specific purpose | 07:25 |
| superm1 | gdm in particular to setup an automatic login | 07:25 |
| superm1 | and then if they scrap the metapackage, they'll get their original conffile back | 07:26 |
| superm1 | minghua, is it against packaging rules to do something like this though? | 07:30 |
| minghua | superm1: I have not an expert on conffile handling or diversion, but sounds sane to me | 07:35 |
| minghua | superm1: except that people usually just divert a file and put another with the same name there, instead of doing a symlink | 07:35 |
| superm1 | okay, its the only semisane solution i have been able to come up with the last week. i've been trying lots of wacky things that i've never seen done before | 07:35 |
| superm1 | well i tried that | 07:35 |
| superm1 | but the problem is it becomes a conffile for this package | 07:36 |
| superm1 | and you cant reverse the diversion, unless you purge the package | 07:36 |
| minghua | hmm, good point | 07:36 |
| superm1 | which is a catch22 because you cant purge the package because the postrm would try to revert the diversion | 07:36 |
| minghua | things always become tricky when it comes to conffiles | 07:37 |
| superm1 | so i'm just placing the conffiles that would have been used here in /etc/mythtv, so that they can still be conffiles, and the symlink gets blown away before reverting the diversion | 07:38 |
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| Chandu | is there any way to add additional langauags (locales) without doing "dpkg-reconfigure locales" , thru any other command or scrip | 08:05 |
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| crimsun_ | Chandu: that method was deprecated as of dapper. | 08:19 |
| crimsun_ | Chandu: if you use gnome, see System> Administration> Language Support | 08:20 |
| Chandu | crimsun_, ok | 08:20 |
| crimsun_ | Chandu: otherwise you need to use locale-gen(8) | 08:20 |
| Chandu | crimsun_, If I use locale-gen ..will that lanague displays in gdm | 08:21 |
| crimsun_ | Chandu: not my realm, but I don't think so | 08:22 |
| Chandu | crimsun_, ok | 08:22 |
| crimsun_ | you'd be better off asking dholbach or seb128 | 08:22 |
| Chandu | crimsun_, ok | 08:23 |
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| somerville32 | IS there a different between a MOTU and a ubuntu developer? | 08:40 |
| crimsun_ | for all practical purposes, no. A Ubuntu developer can be thought of as a member of the Launchpad ubuntu-dev team, which includes anyone with universe upload privileges. Therefore, MOTU are Ubuntu developers. | 08:41 |
| crimsun_ | By this definition, all paid Canonical employees that have universe upload privileges are Ubuntu developers, too. | 08:43 |
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| crimsun_ | In terms of roles, one could argue that MOTU concentrate on maintaining packages, whereas Ubuntu developers concentrate less on maintaining packages and rather implement specs. | 08:45 |
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| \sh | moins | 09:35 |
| Sp4rKy | hi there | 09:38 |
| somerville32 | Hi Sp4rKy | 09:38 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 09:50 |
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| raphink | hi dholbach | 09:59 |
| dholbach | hey raphink | 10:00 |
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| minghua | this "..." bug* | 10:03 |
| crimsun_ | yeah, that's another one I killfiled | 10:04 |
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| ajmitch | hi | 10:14 |
| dholbach | hi crimsun_, hi minghua, hi ajmitch :) | 10:29 |
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| === dholbach hugs minghua back :) | ||
| Sp4rKy | raphink: can i disturb you a few minutes ? | 10:35 |
| minghua | wow, so Debian import freeze is just one week away? | 10:51 |
| minghua | dholbach: the problem with scim in Ubuntu is that there are quite some other patches I don't understand | 10:51 |
| dholbach | minghua: are the people who wrote those patches all in the list you CCed in your mail? | 10:52 |
| minghua | dholbach: but sure, I'll have the feisty freeze dates in mind | 10:52 |
| minghua | dholbach: yes they are | 10:52 |
| dholbach | Ok - if you follow up to the mail and ask for help with merging the patch then that should be cool | 10:52 |
| dholbach | I'd prefer to get it done soon | 10:52 |
| minghua | dholbach: I remember hearing on #ubuntu-devel about the amd64 patch in scim, but forgot by whom | 10:53 |
| dholbach | so if problems creep up, we can eliminate them quickly before any freezes hit in | 10:53 |
| dholbach | hm, I just patched it once to include some other icon, but dropped the patch again | 10:53 |
| dholbach | so that's not much I know about scim ;-) | 10:53 |
| minghua | dholbach: sure, does end of year sounds early enough for you? | 10:53 |
| dholbach | that's cool | 10:53 |
| dholbach | I just didn't want it to wait on something happening in Debian, as it's frozen now and might take longer to be accepted there | 10:54 |
| dholbach | thanks a lot for working on this. | 10:54 |
| minghua | of course, I know how long a package can wait in NEW :-) | 10:55 |
| dholbach | right :-) | 10:55 |
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| Adri2000 | if upstream provides only a .tar.bz2, I have to repack it? | 11:34 |
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| minghua | does anybody know who are the editors of "Behind Ubuntu"? | 12:11 |
| Hobbsee | as in the people interviews? | 12:12 |
| minghua | yes, and I also what to know the webmasters | 12:13 |
| Admiral_Chicago | Andreas Brunner Eva Drud Kenny Duffus Stefan Kohler Charlotte Nielsen Christophe Sauthier and others | 12:13 |
| minghua | as the Chinese translations seem to be 404 now | 12:13 |
| Admiral_Chicago | according to the web page | 12:13 |
| Hobbsee | seaLne: is one | 12:13 |
| Hobbsee | dont know the irc nicks of the others | 12:13 |
| minghua | oh I missed the link to the team | 12:14 |
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| minghua | thanks Admiral_Chicago | 12:14 |
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| seaLne | minghua: lo | 12:19 |
| minghua | Hi seaLne. First thanks for those interviews which I very much enjoy. I wonder if you can fix the links to the Chinese translations (they are 404 now), or should I write an email to the team address? | 12:21 |
| seaLne | minghua: yeah i've been meaning to remove those links, the translations disapeared when they redid their website | 12:21 |
| seaLne | which was a pity | 12:22 |
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| AnAnt | seen bddebian | 02:48 |
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| AnAnt | what is dhelp ? | 02:56 |
| AnAnt | nevermind | 02:57 |
| AnAnt | I'm getting a message from pbuilder that package dhelp is not available, why is that ? | 03:15 |
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| \sh | looks like that you don't have universe repositories in your pbuilder setup | 03:31 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:36 |
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| \sh | hey barry | 03:41 |
| bddebian | Hi Stephan | 03:42 |
| \sh | hmmm...my LPIC-1 certification is in around 15 minutes...how nice | 03:42 |
| \sh | I wonder when the ubuntu lpi tests are available in germany | 03:46 |
| \sh | oh...it's already there | 03:47 |
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| bddebian | heh | 03:48 |
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| AnAnt | bddebian: hello ! | 04:04 |
| AnAnt | bddebian: hide ! | 04:04 |
| AnAnt | bddebian: ping | 04:05 |
| bddebian | Heya AnAnt | 04:16 |
| bddebian | AnAnt: No, to my knowledge I never built a package of the development version :-) | 04:16 |
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| AnAnt | bddebian: ok | 04:16 |
| AnAnt | bddebian: btw, I get an error message from pbuilder that there is no candidate for dhelp package | 04:17 |
| AnAnt | bddebian: how did you build it ? | 04:17 |
| bddebian | dhelp? | 04:18 |
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| bddebian | Hmm, we have dhelp afaik | 04:19 |
| bddebian | Is it a version issue? | 04:19 |
| AnAnt | nope | 04:20 |
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| sistpoty|uni | hi folks | 05:07 |
| bddebian | Heya sistpoty|uni | 05:08 |
| sistpoty|uni | hi bddebian | 05:08 |
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| sistpoty|uni | Zic_: just saw your comment for menareants | 05:23 |
| Zic_ | sistpoty|uni: hi :) | 05:23 |
| sistpoty|uni | hi Zic_ ;) | 05:23 |
| Zic_ | siretart: Yes, I have many problems you see : | 05:23 |
| sistpoty|uni | Zic_: what's the exact state of the data-files? can we distribute these as is? | 05:24 |
| Zic_ | I've got the new package with cdbs, and I do separated package for source and data ... and server :) | 05:24 |
| sistpoty|uni | Zic_: I saw... (btw.: the comment was from me, just in case you wonder) | 05:24 |
| sistpoty|uni | Zic_: the packaging is really nice now imo | 05:24 |
| Zic_ | I'm asking the upstream wait :> | 05:25 |
| sistpoty|uni | kk | 05:25 |
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| Zic_ | sistpoty|uni: He doesn't really understand the question, so I told him : You think distribute Men Are Ants like this is illegal ? Or the problem of licence is other things ? | 05:28 |
| Zic_ | sistpoty|uni: He said it's ok, no problem of illegal things :> | 05:29 |
| Zic_ | sistpoty|uni: for the orig.tar.gz, I don't understand, I don't touch it, so, I re-upload an other orig.tar.gz who I'm downloading now :) | 05:29 |
| sistpoty|uni | Zic_: the question about the data files was, if there are any data-files copied from any commercial stuff, that we couldn't distribute then (because we'd violate someone elses' license) | 05:30 |
| sistpoty|uni | Zic_: I only found a link to a tar.bz2... is there one to a .tar.gz as well? | 05:31 |
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| sistpoty|uni | Zic_: if so, then use that very thing you downloaded without repacking it | 05:31 |
| Zic_ | sistpoty|uni: Oh, => Finally, is not legal ^^ about McGerbale (Mc Donald funny derivate) "Obelisk of the NOD" from other licenced game and Gunther music in the "Crdits" menu ... | 05:31 |
| Zic_ | He will fix that in the next release ... | 05:32 |
| sistpoty|uni | Zic_: oh, that's bad then... we'll need to wait until that's fixed before we can upload it to ubuntu :( | 05:32 |
| Zic_ | sistpoty|uni: It's not a problem, he prefer uploading the next release any way :) | 05:33 |
| Zic_ | (the upstream) | 05:33 |
| sistpoty|uni | Zic_: if you only downloaded a .tar.bz2, you shouldn't unpack the tar, but rather run bunzip2 and gzip -9 on it (so that the .tar is completely unchanged) | 05:33 |
| sistpoty|uni | Zic_: ok, great | 05:33 |
| Zic_ | ah | 05:33 |
| Zic_ | sistpoty|uni: I download the "orig.tar.gz" in a directory ... with SVN ... So I make the orig.tar.gz myself ... | 05:34 |
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| siretart | :) | 05:34 |
| sistpoty|uni | hi siretart | 05:34 |
| Zic_ | sistpoty|uni: Err, no, a mistake => I download a directory with SVN, so I make the orig.tar.gz myself | 05:34 |
| sistpoty|uni | Zic_: ah, you did an svn-checkout? | 05:34 |
| Zic_ | sorry :) | 05:34 |
| Zic_ | sistpoty|uni: yes :x | 05:35 |
| Zic_ | sistpoty|uni: I do this in the moment of Men Are Ants SVN version, is the same of release version | 05:35 |
| sistpoty|uni | Zic_: if it's the same as the release, please use the tarball that's downloadable instead. | 05:36 |
| Zic_ | sistpoty|uni: ok :) | 05:36 |
| Zic_ | sistpoty|uni: about the Failled Build, you have an idea of provenance of its ? | 05:37 |
| sistpoty|uni | Zic_: otherwise you should change the version of the package to s.th. like 0.3.3+svnYYYYMMDD-0ubuntu1 (if it was checked out later then the 0.3.3 release), to make it clear that it is based on svn | 05:37 |
| Zic_ | sistpoty|uni: Hmm, I will take the tar.gz release so :) | 05:37 |
| sistpoty|uni | Zic_: for the build, I guess you removed the configure file (maybe through make distclean or s.th.), but need it for building | 05:38 |
| Zic_ | sistpoty|uni: Else, you speak about a tar.bz2 "I only found a link to a tar.bz2... is there one to a .tar.gz as well?" I don't understand your sentence ... | 05:39 |
| sistpoty|uni | Zic_: the download page of men are ants | 05:40 |
| sistpoty|uni | Zic_: what can you download there? | 05:40 |
| Zic_ | sistpoty|uni: err ... I don't remove the command of clean this time, beacause I use cdbs and the rules is very little :> | 05:40 |
| Zic_ | ah, wait :> | 05:40 |
| Zic_ | https://gna.org/projects/menareants#options | 05:40 |
| Zic_ | :) | 05:40 |
| Zic_ | But, in this repository, their is no .gz or .bz2 files ... | 05:41 |
| Zic_ | only the SVN | 05:41 |
| sistpoty|uni | Zic_: I used the page you refer to in debian/copyright, there was a link to a .tar.bz2 ;) | 05:42 |
| Zic_ | sistpoty|uni: I have told the upstream for he will make a tar.gz, It's more simple :> | 05:43 |
| Zic_ | a tar.gz of 0.3.3 of course | 05:43 |
| sistpoty|uni | Zic_: yay, great :) | 05:43 |
| Zic_ | so, for the configure file, what can I do to resolve the problem of building ? | 05:44 |
| sistpoty|uni | Zic_: sorry, don't have a clue right now (and since I'm at university right now, I can't testbuild to see where it's coming from) | 05:45 |
| Zic_ | ok :) | 05:46 |
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| Zic_ | Now I can do this : Upload a "good" orig.tar.gz in provenance of upstream, any other things in waiting a solution for the building ? | 05:47 |
| sistpoty|uni | Zic_: you could ask if s.o. else would like to look at the build problem in the meantime ;) | 05:49 |
| Zic_ | if you want, upload 34mo in revu is long anyway :> | 05:50 |
| Zic_ | sistpoty|uni: for the debian/copyright, I don't modify anything, We will see it on the next release ... | 05:51 |
| sistpoty|uni | Zic_: ok, please also add a comment to revu stating that we'll need to wait for the next release | 05:53 |
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| Zic_ | ok :) thanks, I will go to a little moment, so I wish you a good evening :) | 05:55 |
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| Adri2000 | anyone has a quick tar command line to repack a tar.bz2 to tar.gz? | 07:15 |
| kallewoof | bunzip2 foo.tar.bz2 && gzip foo.tar | 07:16 |
| sistpoty|uni | Adri2000: if you need to repack to make an orig.tar.gz, you should use gzip -9 (for better compression) | 07:17 |
| Adri2000 | ok, thanks | 07:17 |
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| vil | ademan: ping | 07:27 |
| crimsun_ | in order to speed the SRU for #19482 along, will five MOTU please test speex in edgy-proposed? | 07:28 |
| crimsun_ | we really should discuss this at the MOTU meeting, too | 07:28 |
| ajmitch | hi | 07:31 |
| crimsun_ | 'lo ajmitch | 07:32 |
| kallewoof | Is there anyone around who' | 07:34 |
| kallewoof | +d be willing to look at a REVU package? (synchroedit -- there are two of them, actually) | 07:35 |
| ademan | vil: pong | 07:35 |
| vil | ademan: hi, I would like to talk about the speed problems, do you have a few minutes? | 07:35 |
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| proppy | oups not here | 07:38 |
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| ademan | vil: sure i'm a bit sleepy but i'll do my best | 07:42 |
| crimsun_ | kallewoof: urls/upids, please | 07:42 |
| ademan | it's nothing new, eclipse has always been slow for me, though i was suprised, i tried to change over from the GNU java to the sun JRE | 07:43 |
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| ademan | which is supposed to yield a huge speed benefit | 07:43 |
| ademan | so i'm a bit confused | 07:44 |
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| kallewoof | crimsun_: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3768 | 07:44 |
| kallewoof | crimsun_: I presume that's what you mean. :) | 07:44 |
| crimsun_ | yes | 07:44 |
| vil | ademan: could you please send me a tarball containing your c test-project so that I test it on the same setup? | 07:45 |
| ademan | sure, it's c++ and ugly code right now but sure | 07:46 |
| ademan | you want it as an email attachment or over IRC? | 07:47 |
| vil | i don't want to see any confidential stuff ;), i just don't use cdt, so i don't know how to use it | 07:47 |
| somerville32 | crimsun_: I need your help in a bit. I'm having trouble getting ${python:Depends} to be replaced. | 07:47 |
| vil | upt to you | 07:47 |
| ademan | vil: well i think after seeing the code in it's current state is enough to convince anyone not to steal from it :-) | 07:49 |
| ademan | and i | 07:49 |
| ademan | 'll email it | 07:49 |
| crimsun_ | kallewoof: 1) Please target feisty as the distribution, not edgy. 2) debian/init.d needs to create /var/run as necessary. | 07:50 |
| kallewoof | *fixes* | 07:50 |
| ademan | There you go vil | 07:51 |
| vil | ok, let me see | 07:52 |
| kallewoof | crimsun_: In a roundabout way, it is creating the /var/run stuff, but it's happening in the /usr/sbin/synchroedit-exec script, not in the init.d script. Should it be in init.d directly? | 07:54 |
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| crimsun_ | kallewoof: yes. | 07:58 |
| kallewoof | Alright. The reason it's in a separate script is because I'm grabbing the PID via $$. I'll have to figure out another solution. Thanks for the feedback! | 07:59 |
| ademan | vil: it probably won't compile unless you've got the libsdl-dev packages among other things, so don't worry about making it compile, but instead go into mgine/includes/mgine/Graphics.h and type Graphics:: after the second : it should seem to lock up for a minute, then a sort of tooltip will pop up with the class Graphics' members | 07:59 |
| vil | ademan: seems that i forgot c++ completely, where am i supposed to write the Graphics:: in that file? | 08:03 |
| vil | i don't get the tooltip | 08:03 |
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| fernando | crimsun_: can you to review again? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3591 thank you | 08:05 |
| ademan | vil: hrm then try it within Graphics.cpp within one of the functions | 08:06 |
| crimsun_ | fernando: | 08:09 |
| crimsun_ | mrbayes_3.1.2-0ubuntu1_source.changes: done. | 08:09 |
| crimsun_ | Successfully uploaded packages. | 08:09 |
| crimsun_ | fernando: thanks for your work! | 08:09 |
| fernando | crimsun_: thank you a million | 08:09 |
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| vil | ademan: ok, now i get it. there was a small problem with -I pointing to your home | 08:11 |
| vil | I'll play with it for a while to see, if there is a problem or if it is a feature | 08:11 |
| ademan | oh the -I was because it's a library and eventually everything in mgine/include is going into /usr/include, so by adding that path to -I i was able to use #include <> rather than #include "" | 08:13 |
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| bddebian | I give up on this stupid libparagui package :'-( | 08:19 |
| sistpoty|uni | bddebian: what's wrong with it? | 08:20 |
| crimsun_ | he keeps poking it with the wrong end of the stick. | 08:21 |
| sistpoty|uni | hehe | 08:21 |
| joejaxx | anyone know of a way to record a movie of what is happening on the desktop? | 08:21 |
| mr_pouit | with istanbul ? | 08:22 |
| joejaxx | sort of like import from imagemagick | 08:22 |
| joejaxx | except for movies | 08:22 |
| bddebian | sistpoty|uni: Stupid shlibs stuff still :-( | 08:22 |
| cbx33 | joejaxx, xvidcap | 08:22 |
| joejaxx | mr_pouit: i will have to try that | 08:22 |
| joejaxx | cbx33: ok | 08:22 |
| cbx33 | talking of which why isn't that in the repos yet? | 08:22 |
| cbx33 | ;) | 08:22 |
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| cbx33 | oh it seems it is now | 08:23 |
| cbx33 | sorry wasn't in dapper | 08:23 |
| cbx33 | joejaxx, xvidcap is very easy to use ;) | 08:23 |
| Adri2000 | whow, updating a package where upstream provides a debian/ dir, the diff.gz is horrible to read | 08:23 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 08:24 |
| sistpoty|uni | bddebian: but iirc, you were quite close with the last package on revu, weren't you? | 08:24 |
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| bddebian | sistpoty|uni: I thought so | 08:24 |
| sistpoty|uni | bddebian: ... but? | 08:24 |
| crippledcanary | could anyone with an opinion have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3752 for me? | 08:25 |
| vil | ademan: did you try to run it with that sun java? | 08:25 |
| joejaxx | cbx33: alright thanks :) | 08:25 |
| bddebian | sistpoty|uni: I changed the packagename to libparagui-1.1-8 and now I get: | 08:25 |
| bddebian | bdefreese@bdubuntu1:~/feisty/libparagui$ linda ../../pbuild-feisty/result/libparagui-1.1-8_1.1.8-0ubuntu1_i386.deb | 08:25 |
| bddebian | W: libparagui-1.1-8; The library libparagui is not in a shlibs file. | 08:25 |
| Adri2000 | crippledcanary: debian/dirs is probably useless | 08:25 |
| vil | ademan: with gcj the delay of the tooltip is about 5 secs here, with sun it is about a sec | 08:26 |
| Adri2000 | crippledcanary: there are three extra blank lines at the end of the copyright file, you can remove them ;-) | 08:26 |
| joejaxx | cbx33: it does not look like it is in there now either | 08:27 |
| sistpoty|uni | bddebian: imo you should just remove debian/libparagui1.1.shlibs, dh_makeshlibs should create a valid one for you | 08:28 |
| cbx33 | pete@ubunt:~$ apt-cache search xvidcap | 08:28 |
| bddebian | Hmm | 08:28 |
| cbx33 | xvidcap - Screen video capture for X | 08:28 |
| cbx33 | no? | 08:28 |
| cbx33 | if not get the deb from sourceforge....works fine | 08:28 |
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| bddebian | sistpoty|uni: But what about the packagename? Should it be libparagui1.1 or libparagui-1.1? The stable one is libparagui1.1 | 08:28 |
| bddebian | Err 1.0 | 08:28 |
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| siretart | sistpoty|uni: you are still at uni? | 08:29 |
| bddebian | huhu siretart ;-) | 08:29 |
| bddebian | BTW, anyone know of any issues with libgnomevfs2-dev in feisty? | 08:30 |
| sistpoty|uni | siretart: yes... still fighting with the vhdl-interpreter :( | 08:30 |
| sistpoty|uni | bddebian: http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html, point 4 should give you a clue, hopefully | 08:30 |
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| joejaxx | cbx33: You have searched for packages that names contain xvidcap in distribution edgy, all sections, and all architectures. | 08:31 |
| joejaxx | Can't find that package, at least not in that distribution and on that architecture. | 08:31 |
| sistpoty|uni | bddebian: sorry, I cannot testbuild anything here at uni... | 08:31 |
| joejaxx | :P | 08:31 |
| joejaxx | cbx33: i will sf.net it | 08:31 |
| cbx33 | ok | 08:31 |
| cbx33 | hang on though | 08:31 |
| joejaxx | ok | 08:31 |
| sistpoty|uni | bddebian: chapter 5/point 3 actually ;) | 08:32 |
| bddebian | :) | 08:32 |
| siretart | heyho bddebian | 08:33 |
| crippledcanary | Adri2000: So it's quite Ok then. | 08:33 |
| Adri2000 | crippledcanary: just looking quickly at the diff.gz, yes :) | 08:34 |
| crippledcanary | It's my first "real" .deb so thats good to hear. | 08:36 |
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| bddebian | So according to that libparagui-1.1-8 should be correct afaict | 08:38 |
| sistpoty|uni | bddebian: I guess so | 08:39 |
| bddebian | Well SONAME is libparagui-1.1.so.8 | 08:39 |
| sistpoty|uni | correct then :) | 08:40 |
| bddebian | Where should dh_makeshlibs go? | 08:43 |
| sistpoty|uni | bddebian: imo right there, where it's in the last revu upload | 08:46 |
| bddebian | Oh, hehe | 08:47 |
| bddebian | Frickin FTBFS on mysql-query-browser :-( | 08:49 |
| siretart | ajmitch: around? I need your help as master of initramfs/mdadm guru | 08:49 |
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| ajmitch | siretart: I'm here | 09:01 |
| ajmitch | siretart: I'm no master though :) | 09:01 |
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| siretart | ajmitch: after upgrading to feisty, mdadm barks with 'mdadm: No devices listed in conf file were found'. Do you happen to know whats going on here? | 09:01 |
| ajmitch | it requires a valid mdadm.conf now | 09:02 |
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| ajmitch | it shouldn't need much | 09:02 |
| ajmitch | there's also work blocked on a new udev upload | 09:02 |
| siretart | there is a /etc/mdadm.conf in initramfs, with 4 arrays mentioning some uuids | 09:02 |
| ajmitch | that should be enough\ | 09:02 |
| ajmitch | at times I've had to wait for everything to timeout, and to be dropped to a shell | 09:03 |
| siretart | hm. on the 2nd look, my /dev/sd{a,b} are missing | 09:03 |
| siretart | grr | 09:03 |
| ajmitch | & then run the initramfs scripts | 09:03 |
| siretart | first, I need to manage to get my computer bootet | 09:03 |
| siretart | boot, even | 09:03 |
| ajmitch | the busybox shell in initramfs, that is | 09:03 |
| ajmitch | did you tell it to break, or did it timeout? | 09:03 |
| siretart | I told it to break | 09:03 |
| siretart | I didn't have the patience. ;) | 09:04 |
| ajmitch | wait for it, otherwise you probably won't get udev creating /dev/sd* | 09:05 |
| siretart | how is the ide driver called nowadays? sata_nv doesn't seem to be enough.. | 09:05 |
| ajmitch | & then run /scripts/local-top/mdadm | 09:05 |
| siretart | ajmitch: I already upgraded. I'd like to actually use my system :) | 09:05 |
| ajmitch | 3 minutes isn't long | 09:05 |
| ajmitch | maybe 6 if you're using lvm on top :) | 09:05 |
| ajmitch | it's a known problem, not being fixed until various things are in place | 09:06 |
| siretart | I'm using root on lvm on raid | 09:06 |
| ajmitch | like me | 09:06 |
| siretart | hm. so how do I get my /dev/sd{a,b} back for now? ;) | 09:07 |
| ajmitch | reboot, let it timeout? | 09:07 |
| bddebian | How do I appropriately move the foo.so link from the foo to foo-dev package? | 09:07 |
| siretart | mmh | 09:07 |
| siretart | fair enough | 09:07 |
| ajmitch | or play with udev in initramfs | 09:07 |
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| ajmitch | bddebian: foo-dev.install | 09:08 |
| ajmitch | don't match on /usr/lib/libfoo.so* in foo.install | 09:08 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Ahh, thanks | 09:09 |
| siretart | ajmitch: this 'mdadm: No devices listed in conf file were found.' is still scary :/ | 09:10 |
| ajmitch | sure is :) | 09:10 |
| siretart | ajmitch: btw, do you happen to know which bugno this is, I'd like to subscribe to that bug | 09:11 |
| ajmitch | but that's because it's racing against udev | 09:11 |
| ajmitch | bug 75681 | 09:11 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 75681 in mdadm "initramfs script: race condition between sata and md" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/75681 | 09:11 |
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| ajmitch | udev will trigger running mdadm in the future | 09:12 |
| ajmitch | so no racing | 09:12 |
| siretart | ah, now I see 2 new messages: "Volume group "hades_stripe" not found. So it actually found out the name of my volume group | 09:12 |
| ajmitch | 6 minutes seems like an awfully long time when waiting for it to timeout :) | 09:13 |
| crippledcanary | This is hopefully the last update to scribes. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3771 | 09:15 |
| siretart | ajmitch: now I got dropped to initramfs | 09:15 |
| siretart | with 'ALERT! /dev/foo/root does not exist. Dropping to a shell!' | 09:15 |
| siretart | :/ | 09:15 |
| ajmitch | yep | 09:15 |
| ajmitch | now /scripts/local-top/mdadm | 09:16 |
| crippledcanary | What's the procedure to get someone that has the powers to advocate for it and get it into universe? | 09:16 |
| siretart | ah | 09:16 |
| ajmitch | then probably /scripts/local-top/mdadm | 09:16 |
| ajmitch | sorry | 09:16 |
| ajmitch | next the lvm script | 09:16 |
| ajmitch | (assuming that the mdadm script found all raid arrays) | 09:16 |
| siretart | cool. this brought my volumes up. how to boot now? | 09:16 |
| ajmitch | ctrl+d | 09:17 |
| ajmitch | it should continue to boot as normal | 09:17 |
| crimsun_ | crippledcanary: kill the trailing full stop in the one-line Description of scribes in debian/control . Also, the version should be 0.3-0ubuntu1 for the initial upload to Ubuntu. | 09:17 |
| siretart | ajmitch: wheee! thanks a lot! :) | 09:18 |
| ajmitch | crippledcanary: do you use dh_python, dh_pysupport, or dh_pycentral anywhere? | 09:19 |
| ajmitch | if you don't, then ${python:Depends} is ineffectual | 09:19 |
| crippledcanary | ajmitch: nope | 09:19 |
| ajmitch | siretart: no problem :) | 09:19 |
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| zul | yeah you are going to be late...haha | 09:20 |
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| superm1 | crimsun_, I finally got approval from Hauppauge to host the firmware on Ubuntu servers & Mirrors. Should I include the text of our email conversations (with my contacts email address removed) in debian/copyright for ivtv-firmware? | 09:26 |
| superm1 | along with the OEM agreement and GPL license for the packaging of course | 09:26 |
| siretart | yay! X11 finally! :) | 09:26 |
| crimsun_ | superm1: yes | 09:26 |
| superm1 | okay great. I'll get this together shortly | 09:26 |
| crimsun_ | thanks! | 09:27 |
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| joejaxx | cbx33: ping | 09:30 |
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| ajmitch | siretart: got a box running now? :) | 09:38 |
| siretart | ajmitch: yepp. Currently merging zsh :) | 09:38 |
| ajmitch | excellent :) | 09:39 |
| ajmitch | great to have you back & active | 09:39 |
| ajmitch | do you have to defend your thesis? | 09:39 |
| siretart | I was bitten by #68467 as well, which left me with outdated l-r-m and nvidia-glx | 09:39 |
| siretart | bug #68467 | 09:39 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 68467 in update-manager "restricted component lost from sources.list during upgrade" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/68467 | 09:39 |
| bddebian | I still get the libfoo is not in shlibs file, even with dh_makeshlibs :-( | 09:39 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: fix Universe yet? :-) | 09:40 |
| ajmitch | siretart: ah, I did a very selective upgrade of my desktop to feisty | 09:41 |
| ajmitch | picking & choosing packages in synaptic | 09:41 |
| ajmitch | until it was safe to do a dist-upgrade | 09:41 |
| siretart | this is what I tried with the upgrade to edgy | 09:41 |
| LaserJock | I just used update-manager | 09:41 |
| ajmitch | it worked out quite well | 09:41 |
| LaserJock | but most of the time it was on a fresh dapper or edgy install | 09:41 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: I don't trust it to make wise choices in the first few weeks | 09:42 |
| siretart | and failed miserably: http://wiki.tauware.de/blog:edgyupgrade | 09:42 |
| ajmitch | since the archive will be in various states of brokenness | 09:42 |
| sistpoty|uni | bddebian: have you looked inside the resulting deb (e.g. with mc) and checked if there is an shlibs file present? | 09:43 |
| sistpoty|uni | bddebian: if not, I'd suggest you try to set debhelper to verbose and watch for the dh_makeshlibs call. maybe this will give you some hints why it doesn't create one | 09:44 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: No :-( | 09:45 |
| bddebian | sistpoty|uni: OK, thx | 09:45 |
| ajmitch | the easier way being dpkg-deb -I file.deb shlibs | 09:46 |
| ajmitch | being able to pull various bits & pieces out of the binary package is useufl | 09:46 |
| bddebian | bdefreese@bdubuntu1:~/feisty/libparagui$ dpkg-deb -I ../../pbuild-feisty/result/libparagui-1.1-8_1.1.8-0ubuntu1_i386.deb shlibs | 09:47 |
| bddebian | libparagui-1.1 8 libparagui-1.1-8 | 09:47 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: niftly | 09:47 |
| bddebian | So linda is lying? :) | 09:47 |
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| somerville32 | Wow | 09:48 |
| somerville32 | I can't type today | 09:48 |
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| ajmitch | bddebian: stevenk wrote it, what do you think? | 09:49 |
| sistpoty|uni | haha | 09:49 |
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| joejaxx | wow instanbul slows down the computer lol | 09:52 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Wrote what, sorry? | 09:53 |
| ajmitch | linda | 09:53 |
| bddebian | Ohh :-) | 09:54 |
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| sistpoty|uni | cya later | 10:01 |
| bddebian | sistpoty|uni: Oh | 10:01 |
| bddebian | Hey | 10:01 |
| sistpoty|uni | bddebian: what? | 10:01 |
| bddebian | If you get a free sec could you check that libparagui if you get a spare minute? | 10:01 |
| sistpoty|uni | bddebian: did you upload it to revu? | 10:02 |
| somerville32 | 0_o | 10:02 |
| bddebian | Aye | 10:02 |
| LaserJock | jdong: ping | 10:02 |
| sistpoty|uni | bddebian: I'll do that once I'm home (and probably after I ate s.th.) | 10:03 |
| sistpoty|uni | bddebian: I just cannot build anything here at uni :( | 10:03 |
| bddebian | sistpoty|uni: NP. Awesome, thanks | 10:03 |
| sistpoty|uni | l8ter folks | 10:03 |
| ajmitch | bye sistpoty|uni | 10:04 |
| siretart | sistpoty|uni: gn8! | 10:04 |
| sistpoty|uni | gn8 siretart | 10:04 |
| ajmitch | siretart: before you do any more merges, make sure you follow the merge policy about listing remaining ubuntu changes :) | 10:07 |
| siretart | ajmitch: damn! you're right, I missed the summary. I'm awfully sorry :( | 10:12 |
| siretart | hm. the next merge requires some binary NEW love first. hm | 10:12 |
| siretart | need to poke tollef 'bout that | 10:12 |
| bddebian | What has replaced libsvn-perl? | 10:13 |
| crimsun_ | bddebian: nothing, source is just in depwait | 10:18 |
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| bddebian | crimsun_: Ahh, thanks | 10:19 |
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| cbx33 | joejaxx, pong | 10:21 |
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| vil | Ademan: ping | 10:28 |
| vil | Ademan: wo how long does it take before the tooltip displays? | 10:29 |
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| jorgp | can someone help me with a packaging issue I can figure out | 10:43 |
| jorgp | I am using edgy, created a pbuilder env for edgy trying to package feisty's wine for edgy | 10:43 |
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| LaserJock | jorgp: ok | 10:44 |
| ajmitch | hey LaserJock | 10:44 |
| jorgp | pbuilder says it can not find libjack0.100.0-dev | 10:44 |
| proppy | does someone use vc-bzr ? | 10:44 |
| jorgp | but it is installed | 10:44 |
| ajmitch | jorgp: universe may not be enabled in your pbuilder setup | 10:44 |
| ajmitch | (assuming it's in universe) | 10:45 |
| jorgp | ah | 10:45 |
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| crimsun_ | it's universe. | 10:45 |
| ajmitch | right | 10:45 |
| jorgp | how do I add universe to pbuilder then | 10:46 |
| jorgp | nm | 10:46 |
| jorgp | i figured it out | 10:46 |
| jorgp | thanks for the help | 10:47 |
| jorgp | guess I have to re-create my build env once I add universe | 10:48 |
| LaserJock | hi ajmitch | 10:48 |
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| proppy | xb | 10:50 |
| proppy | oups | 10:50 |
| jorgp | sorry to bother you guys, the docs where quite clear | 10:52 |
| mr_pouit | jorgp: you only have to do pbuilder update -override-config (no need to recreate) | 10:53 |
| jorgp | yes, I just read that in the docs | 10:53 |
| mr_pouit | --override-config (missing hyphen, sorry) | 10:53 |
| jorgp | thank you mr_pouit | 10:53 |
| mr_pouit | np :) | 10:53 |
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| twager | Anyone upgraded from Edgy to Feisty ? | 11:00 |
| crimsun_ | the dist-upgrade works fine today. | 11:00 |
| twager | Do you need the Feisty repos in sources list ?? | 11:01 |
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| LaserJock | well, that's the only way apt will know | 11:01 |
| jorgp | is feisty working better these days? | 11:02 |
| jorgp | last time I tried it about 1 week ago, the desktop would not fully load | 11:02 |
| twager | Ok...Is gksudo preferable to apt-=get ? | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I've been running it for a while now with out any obvious problems | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | gksudo doesn't have anything to do with apt-get | 11:03 |
| twager | "update manager" | 11:03 |
| jorgp | it was probably vmware then | 11:03 |
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| superm1 | jorgp, there was something wrong with vmware about a week ago with segfaults, but for me at least i can still work now in it | 11:03 |
| jorgp | gnome 2.17.2 was to unstable to even be called a release | 11:03 |
| twager | Sorry...gksudo "update manager" | 11:04 |
| superm1 | jorgp, but things were crashing left and right in vmware a week ao | 11:04 |
| jorgp | superm1, so you have it installed in vmware and its running fine now? | 11:04 |
| superm1 | yes | 11:04 |
| jorgp | interesting | 11:04 |
| superm1 | i installed off the herd 1 alternate | 11:04 |
| superm1 | into a command line system | 11:04 |
| LaserJock | twager: well, sometimes update manager can be not quite right because things are changing. dist-upgrade is probably the best bet | 11:04 |
| Ademan | vil: sorry i was afk, it was a good 5 to 10 seconds | 11:05 |
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| Ademan | pentium M 1.99 ghz | 11:05 |
| jorgp | superm1, so not using gnome with it? | 11:05 |
| twager | Ok Ta...Will give it a whirl now... | 11:05 |
| superm1 | jorgp, na, the testing i'm doing doesn't need it | 11:06 |
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| superm1 | i have gdm, but not a full blown gnome in it | 11:06 |
| jorgp | superm1, makes sense.. it was the gnome desktop that I was having issues with, command line runs fine | 11:06 |
| superm1 | jorgp, yea come to think of it, when i had those crashes a week ago, everything was crashing when i isntalled from the full disk :) | 11:07 |
| vil | Ademan: at my laptop 1.4 celeron it is some 5 seconds | 11:07 |
| vil | Ademan: but only when running on gcj | 11:07 |
| vil | Ademan: sun-java makes it in 1 sec | 11:07 |
| jorgp | superm1, I guess if all you are doing is compiling and merging then command line is all you need | 11:07 |
| superm1 | yup | 11:07 |
| vil | Ademan: I tried gcj-native but that does not help | 11:08 |
| vil | Ademan: so I would recommend to use sun-java to run eclipes | 11:08 |
| vil | Ademan: if you would have problem with that i can show you how | 11:08 |
| jorgp | I was using pbuilder to create edyg packages from feisty as to not bloat my system with devel packages | 11:09 |
| jorgp | like wine, in feisty a depend is libstdc++-4.0-dev for some reason | 11:10 |
| jorgp | I used gcc 4.1 with newest wine in gentoo, it runs fine | 11:10 |
| crimsun_ | LaserJock: you won't be in/around Las Vegas on 12/20, will you? | 11:11 |
| LaserJock | no | 11:11 |
| LaserJock | you? | 11:11 |
| crimsun_ | ok. | 11:11 |
| crimsun_ | yes, it's a stopover to SNA | 11:12 |
| LaserJock | darn | 11:12 |
| LaserJock | I'll be getting ready to drive to Montana | 11:12 |
| LaserJock | 1000 snow covered miles \o/ | 11:12 |
| jorgp | that will be pretty | 11:12 |
| crimsun_ | finally get a mini Ubuntu vac | 11:13 |
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| LaserJock | yeah, just trying to think of ways to still do something with my parents 28.8 dialup | 11:13 |
| superm1 | mini Ubuntu vac? | 11:13 |
| LaserJock | at least my inlaws have cable now | 11:14 |
| jelmer | Can somebody with admin access to revu please run "gpg --recv-keys 1eef5276" on that machine? | 11:14 |
| crimsun_ | superm1: yes, a mythical vacation all things Ubuntu. | 11:14 |
| crimsun_ | er, from all ... | 11:14 |
| superm1 | ah hehe | 11:14 |
| ajmitch | crimsun_: for more than 12 hours? | 11:15 |
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| crimsun_ | ajmitch: yep, 12 hours and 1 minute. | 11:15 |
| LaserJock | crimsun_: they actually let you leave NC? | 11:16 |
| jelmer | hi ajmitch | 11:16 |
| crimsun_ | LaserJock: aye. I requested this leave 10 months ago. | 11:16 |
| ajmitch | hey jelmer | 11:17 |
| LaserJock | I don't see why it's so hard | 11:17 |
| LaserJock | surely your school lets you take vacations better then that | 11:17 |
| crimsun_ | it's not the school that ties things up, it's the agencies from which I have to get clearance | 11:17 |
| LaserJock | ah | 11:18 |
| crimsun_ | (I'm flying with my folks to Hong Kong) | 11:18 |
| LaserJock | oh wow | 11:18 |
| jelmer | ajmitch: Any chance you can force an update of gpg keys on the revu machine? It's using a GPG key I revoked :-/ | 11:18 |
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| ajmitch | you have a new one on launchpad now? | 11:20 |
| ajmitch | removed the old key from lp as well? | 11:20 |
| jelmer | no, I revoked a couple of subkeys that were on a smartcard that got damaged | 11:20 |
| ajmitch | ah | 11:21 |
| ajmitch | it's just grabbing the keys from launchpad | 11:21 |
| jelmer | that should work - the key listed on launchpad is correct | 11:21 |
| ajmitch | ok | 11:21 |
| ajmitch | when did you revoke? | 11:21 |
| jelmer | Uhm, like 10 minutes ago :-) Is there a refresh rate or something? | 11:22 |
| ajmitch | nope, was just curious :) | 11:23 |
| ajmitch | syncing now | 11:23 |
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| jelmer | ajmitch: thanks :-) | 11:25 |
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| ajmitch | jelmer: should be done now | 11:30 |
| jelmer | ajmitch: Yep, that works. Thanks again :-) | 11:32 |
| ajmitch | no problem | 11:32 |
| Ademan | vil: i thought i was using sun java, i did sudo update-alternatives --config java and selected the sun java, that's all right? | 11:33 |
| Ademan | i only needed the sun-java-jre package right? | 11:34 |
| vil | Ademan: that updates the java, javac and so on | 11:34 |
| vil | Ademan: however eclipse is started with a shell script, which picks one jvm for you | 11:34 |
| Ademan | oooohhhh | 11:34 |
| Ademan | well that might explain it | 11:34 |
| vil | Ademan: sun-java-jre is fine | 11:34 |
| vil | Ademan: for example you can put JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun in ~/.eclipse/eclipserc | 11:36 |
| Ademan | vil: hrm, ok, maybe we should change that, i mean, shouldn't it just use the java specified by the system? | 11:37 |
| vil | Ademan: maybe | 11:38 |
| Ademan | it seems reduntant for it to provide its own way to select alternative JVMs | 11:38 |
| vil | try ask doko | 11:38 |
| Ademan | good point | 11:38 |
| Ademan | i see no reason to disallow overriding the jvm on the command line, but otherwise, i woudl think it'd be good to use the jvm the system says to use | 11:39 |
| Ademan | does the eclipserc need a shabang? | 11:39 |
| vil | nope | 11:40 |
| Ademan | hrm, well then it seems to still be slow | 11:40 |
| vil | what happens if you run echo $JAVA_HOME ? | 11:40 |
| Ademan | nothing, maybe i could set $JAVA_HOME in bashrc just for a test | 11:41 |
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| LaserJock | jdong: sorry, I pinged you a while back | 11:42 |
| jdong | LaserJock: <PMS> what do you want </PMS> | 11:42 |
| jdong | :) | 11:42 |
| Ademan | vil: way faster, but i'd say it's still slow | 11:42 |
| LaserJock | umm, maybe not them ;-) | 11:42 |
| Ademan | i know it's not up to us, but i feel like the tooltip should be propagated in a different thread, so at least it doesn't lock up input | 11:42 |
| vil | Ademan: if you are more interrested in the eclipse startup, have a look at `which eclipse` | 11:43 |
| vil | i would guess that the hits can be disabled somehow, but i don't know where. also better to have the hints. | 11:44 |
| vil | going to bed | 11:45 |
| vil | see you later | 11:45 |
| Ademan | night vil | 11:45 |
| Ademan | good work by the way | 11:45 |
| vil | :) thanks | 11:45 |
| vil | did you see bug #72212 ? | 11:47 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 72212 in Ubuntu "Developers don't get enough thanks" [High,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/72212 | 11:47 |
| vil | i don't feel like that | 11:47 |
| Ademan | lol | 11:47 |
| PuMpErNiCkEl | thanks++ | 11:48 |
| jdong | that bug was sweet and thoughtful at first | 11:48 |
| jdong | but now it's just clouding my launchpad folder | 11:48 |
| LaserJock | nah, we just get more silly bugs | 11:48 |
| Ademan | maybe splash screens coudl have credits as well, dunno | 11:48 |
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| Ademan | is there a character limit for the description in debian/rules ? | 11:49 |
| LaserJock | haha, "Your X.org is not working because of the dedicated work of :" | 11:49 |
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| jdong | Ademan: it's already there. You have to press left shift, right shift, F8 F9 F10 F1 F1 F1 left CTRL, up arrow down arrow | 11:50 |
| jdong | before the splash goes away | 11:50 |
| jdong | then the splash list will come up | 11:50 |
| Ademan | ah of course! | 11:50 |
| Ademan | A B A B B C LEFT RIGHT DOWN START | 11:50 |
| LaserJock | man, I was horrible at those | 11:50 |
| superm1 | your sure its not B A START? :) | 11:51 |
| LaserJock | more or less random patterns and then you have some super-duper weapon of doom | 11:51 |
| jdong | LaserJock: I see you use my Mortal Kombat strategy | 11:51 |
| LaserJock | my little cousins usually kick my butt | 11:52 |
| Ademan | lol, i remember i used to have dark forces, which was basically doom with star wars sprites, and there was this one level where you got lowered into a pit with a kell dragon with only your fist, and I had to type in 'laimlame' (lucasarts i'm lame) before it killed me :-) | 11:52 |
| LaserJock | sometimes the "hit all the buttons at once" trick works though and I laugh at them ;-) | 11:52 |
| bddebian | Later gang | 11:52 |
| Ademan | but yeah, back on topic, is there a character limit for descriptions in debian/rule ? | 11:52 |
| Ademan | rules even | 11:53 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: didn't even know you were here :/ | 11:53 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: cya | 11:53 |
| bddebian | :) | 11:53 |
| bddebian | I'll be back in a few ;-) | 11:53 |
| LaserJock | Ademan: not sure, just don't push it :-) | 11:53 |
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| Ademan | LaserJock: well i was thinking the end user "experience" could really benefit from some embedded xhtml with a standard set of style sheets as part of synaptic or adept | 11:54 |
| Ademan | plus longer and more descriptive descriptions would be nice too :-) | 11:54 |
| LaserJock | well | 11:54 |
| LaserJock | gnome-app-install is supposed to be for that | 11:54 |
| Ademan | i suppose, but how many apps does gnome-app-install really show you? | 11:55 |
| Ademan | honestly.. | 11:55 |
| LaserJock | although i agree that package descriptions could often be improved | 11:55 |
| Ademan | i think i installed my first app in ubuntu through it, since then, nothing, haven't opened it in months | 11:55 |
| LaserJock | a lot if you want it too | 11:55 |
| Ademan | how so? | 11:55 |
| LaserJock | it's all .desktop files | 11:55 |
| Ademan | seemed very limited | 11:55 |
| LaserJock | well, you don't want it to be unwieldly for the user | 11:56 |
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| LaserJock | it's hard with something like 20,000 different packages to give something "easy" for the user | 11:56 |
| LaserJock | you end up either telling them what the want or relying on them knowing a pretty good idea of what they want | 11:57 |
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| Ademan | right, but honestly i don't think i saw half of the apps that were available to me in synaptic, but maybe that's cause i didn't have universe and multivers at that point... i dunno | 11:57 |
| LaserJock | right | 11:57 |
| LaserJock | gnome-app-install isn't supposed to give you everything that's in the repos | 11:57 |
| LaserJock | it's more under the "telling the user what they want" category | 11:58 |
| Ademan | meh | 11:58 |
| LaserJock | what makes it even more difficult is that we'd have to go through Debian to change the descriptions anyway | 11:58 |
| Ademan | also, why does the user have to manually enable universe and multiverse? i would have thought that at least universe could be enabled by default if it was legal issues | 11:58 |
| LaserJock | it's not legal | 11:59 |
| LaserJock | and I think they will be for Feisty | 11:59 |
| Ademan | ah | 11:59 |
| Ademan | ok cool | 11:59 |
| LaserJock | but it was originally designed so that users new when the crossed the "supported" vs "unsupported" boundary | 11:59 |
| LaserJock | I think | 11:59 |
| Ademan | yeah, but there's so much cool stuff in those repos? | 12:00 |
| VoX | win 36 | 12:00 |
| VoX | aw | 12:00 |
| Ademan | ? = ! | 12:00 |
| LaserJock | Ademan: that's not the point | 12:00 |
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| Ademan | no i know | 12:00 |
| LaserJock | but I totally know what you're saying | 12:00 |
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| LaserJock | virtually all users will want Universe apps I think | 12:00 |
| LaserJock | even if they are a couple | 12:00 |
| Ademan | one last thing, i heard someone talking about moving drivers out of kernel space and into user space, and that would eliminate the legal issues with binary blobs, and increase stability, i forgot the article, but it was very convincing | 12:01 |
| Simon80 | ademan, that's waaay far out there | 12:02 |
| Simon80 | and it would only skirt around the legal issue | 12:02 |
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| Ademan | meh, i know that in windows the user->kernel space switch in d3d significantly slowed down rendering | 12:02 |
| Simon80 | it's definitely not the technically best way to do things, or else it would have been implemented that way in the first place, for whatever driver in question | 12:02 |
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| LaserJock | for some reason I'm starting to get this "GPL is viral, in a bad way" thing | 12:03 |
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| Ademan | i think if the GPL wasn't viral linux wouldn't be half of what it is today | 12:03 |
| LaserJock | I'm starting to suspect that I'd never want to GPL anything I work on | 12:03 |
| Ademan | heh, i'm GPLing my game engine | 12:04 |
| Ademan | well, when and if i ever release it | 12:04 |
| Ademan | and if i don't get disgusted with my code halfway through it as i usually do | 12:04 |
| LaserJock | in the my field we have a couple really good libraries that are GPL'd | 12:04 |
| Ademan | LaserJock: what's your field? | 12:04 |
| LaserJock | Chemistry | 12:04 |
| Ademan | ah | 12:04 |
| LaserJock | and I'm seeing some issues come up | 12:04 |
| Ademan | well i guess just deal with the license | 12:04 |
| LaserJock | because researchers can't use the GPL | 12:05 |
| LaserJock | for whatever reason | 12:05 |
| LaserJock | and hence can't use the library | 12:05 |
| LaserJock | it seems sort of antiproductive | 12:05 |
| LaserJock | so people go off and write proprietary stuff instead | 12:05 |
| LaserJock | seems like a shame | 12:06 |
| Ademan | researchers can't use GPL? wtf... | 12:06 |
| Ademan | well yeah, then you "get to" reinvent the wheel | 12:06 |
| Ademan | anyways i'm off, i gotta have lunch i'm starving | 12:06 |
| Ademan | later all | 12:06 |
| LaserJock | yeah, some funding agencies have requirements that wouldn't allow GPL | 12:06 |
| LaserJock | though they aren't opposed to open source, I don' t think | 12:07 |
| Simon80 | Laserjock, it's not the FOSS community's fault such funding requirements are in place | 12:08 |
| Simon80 | .: don't blame them when such requirements hamper productivity | 12:08 |
| LaserJock | well, I think it could be the license's fault | 12:08 |
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| LaserJock | the funding agencies requirements weren't unreasonable | 12:09 |
| Simon80 | why aren't they unreasonable? | 12:09 |
| LaserJock | although I can't remember specifically what they were :/ | 12:09 |
| LaserJock | because it wasn't that they said you couldn't open source | 12:10 |
| Simon80 | think about it this way - someone releases a chunk of code absolutely for free, with the condition that you don't take the code for yourself without offering your users the freedoms they originally offered | 12:10 |
| Simon80 | how can you complain if you don't want to respect those conditions? | 12:11 |
| LaserJock | because I want to allow people to use non-GPL licenses | 12:12 |
| LaserJock | if I'm providing a library to the world I want to make sure that as many people as possible can use it | 12:13 |
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