[12:12] ack screw it, 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 [12:12] (read in French) [12:12] yeah, gotta know the essentials [12:13] there. [12:13] download [12:13] GPL should be the same :-) [12:13] *g* [12:13] and if it has euro signs next to it don't click [12:13] I had one package where the homepage was entirely Japanese [12:13] that was difficult === geser [n=michael@85.25.108.60] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:14] LaserJock: heh, I'd do better with that than French === jdong notes conflicting reports of stock repo nvidia-legacy breaking too [12:15] fixable by a depmod -ae [12:15] argh, this is beyond frustrating to try to support === sistpoty uses the binary nvidia driver *duck* [12:20] sistpoty: you don't need to duck unless you say you used a 3rd party repo or automatix to install it :D [12:21] yeah he does [12:21] non believer! [12:21] jdong: hm... earlier on, I'd say that I compiled it myself (the debian way though)... but with ubuntu I changed to stock kernel + stock binary module [12:22] the thing is [12:22] it seems like 3rd party 9631 is most likely to break [12:22] and in a very destructive manner too [12:23] nvidia_drv.o disappears from xorg's directory [12:23] but official drivers have been reported to break and require a depmod -ae, too [12:23] although it's all wildly inconsistent [12:23] jdong: what do you mean by "3rd party"? [12:23] LaserJock: like tsmithe or amaranth's repositories [12:23] LaserJock: that provide a modified lrm package with updated nvidia === mr_pouit [n=silk@LAubervilliers-151-12-125-187.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:24] jdong: nvidia_drv.o doesn't not exist [12:24] LaserJock: typically used by beryl-ites for their native indirect rendering, etc [12:24] Amaranth: .so? [12:24] jdong: it was replaced by nvidia_drv.so in the 9xxx series [12:24] my package includes it [12:24] that's what I meant [12:24] Amaranth: but the breakage cases I've seen, all nvidia* disappears [12:24] so does libglx* [12:24] how is that possible? [12:24] from /usr/lib/xorg{/drivers} [12:24] Amaranth: I DONT KNOW [12:24] that's what puzzles me :) [12:25] jdong, I don't provide a repo (not enough bandwidth) [12:25] and nobody has been able to reproduce it more than once === fowlduck [n=nate@198.150.12.33] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:25] i.e. forcing a downgrade and re-upgrade cannot make the files disappear again [12:25] but clearly to begin with when I diagnosed their problems [12:25] all userspace nvidia vanished without a trace [12:25] tsmithe: You are the creator of envy? [12:25] but the kernel module was intact [12:25] Amaranth, errrr.... no [12:26] tsmithe: sorry, my misinformation [12:26] i am not alberto milone [12:26] :) [12:26] oh, that's who that is [12:26] :) === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-063-062.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:28] anyway [12:28] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1882869 [12:28] this is my attempt at centralizing a thread for this issue [12:28] it already has some interesting reports from users === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:30] hi minghua [12:31] hello sistpoty [12:33] jdong: oh shit, there is a new l-r-m in edgy-security? [12:33] jdong: that will force the uninstall of nvidia-glx [12:34] no no no [12:34] relax [12:34] and they will not be able to reinstall nvidia-glx until the 3rd party l-r-m is updated [12:34] no new l-r-m [12:34] it's a kernel? [12:34] just new l-i [12:34] right [12:34] new kernel [12:34] still ABI number 10 [12:34] so IN THEORY nothing should break [12:34] however, many users are reporting such breakages [12:34] not nearly as global as the famous dapper incident [12:34] but still enough that it doesn't sseem to be random === Burgwork hugs slomo_ [12:35] thanks for ffmpeg [12:35] jdong: does it remove nvidia-glx? [12:36] also, what the hell happened to the forums? [12:36] Amaranth: no, it doesn't remove nvidia-glx [12:36] Amaranth: but many files from nvidia-glx magically disappeard for some users [12:36] during the upgrade [12:36] Amaranth: which a reinstall of nvidia-glx fixed [12:36] again, very very very weird [12:36] I acn't explain how it happened [12:36] that is uncanny [12:36] Amaranth: what do you mean what happened to the forums? [12:36] jdong: the colors are all screwed up [12:37] I think it's called a "new theme" [12:37] I wasn't involved in that === _MMA_ wonders also. Some brown is back. [12:37] so I can't say for sure [12:37] the brown->black is a new theme [12:37] I can't tell for sure if it's intended that way or still in adjustment [12:37] again, I don't do the artwork :) === _MMA_ misses the brown. :( [12:40] heh === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch returns [12:55] wb [12:55] hola ajmitch [12:56] what's new? === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:57] LaserJock: you speak french? ;-) === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jonh_wendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:58] but of course amigo === jonh_wendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Bye"] [01:02] wee... colors in buildlog... never seen this before while building a package [01:03] apparently cmake based builds are colorful === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:05] aah crap I guess I wasn't supposed to cut that [01:05] scons this time... just really funny to have it in a buildlog *g* [01:05] anyone here who works in retail security? [01:06] or otherwise has suggestions for disabling the security thing they put on electronics boxes? [01:06] they left it on something I purchased [01:06] so I thought I was supposed to snip it off [01:06] but that obviously activated the alarm [01:06] (wow that was stupid in retrospect) [01:07] aah, I can't take it [01:07] help! [01:08] I'm beating it senseless with a 6-cell police-issue maglite [01:08] and it's still beeping louder than my fire alarm [01:08] my family here is pointing and laughing at me.... === sistpoty points and laughs at jdong as well :P [01:09] un believable [01:09] I have it in a hot water and hydrochloric acid solution [01:10] and it's still beeping [01:10] got a young niece/nephew? [01:10] and the resonation in the water is worse [01:10] umm, where did you get the HCL? [01:10] crimsun_: it's not gonna work better than a 15-pound maglite [01:10] (and the speed of sound bit...) [01:10] jdong: truly spoken as someone without kids [01:10] LaserJock: they sell it as industrial toilet bowl cleaner [01:10] heh [01:10] ah [01:11] LaserJock: actually I think it's supposed to be used as whitewash [01:11] as a sulfuric acid replacement [01:11] but it's not working :) [01:11] crimsun_: I was joking [01:11] crimsun_: I've got a 6-year-old younger sibling who I love dearly [01:11] kids have amazing comprehension [01:12] HA! YES! STOPPED IT [01:12] hehe, and I they even love things that make sounds [01:12] -I [01:12] who says this EMP device won't come in handy? [01:13] gotta love 2.5F of capacitance and a 4000-turn coil === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong cries [01:14] is it friday the 13th and nobody told me? === jdong proceeds to disarm his smoke detector [01:16] there that was fun [01:16] now, jdong, what did we learn NOT to do today.... [01:17] not to smoke crack [01:18] zul: no, that was yesterday [01:18] must be some left in your system [01:18] perhaps there was === jdong hugs his 6D maglite === sistpoty needs to go to bed now [01:20] gn8 everyone [01:20] night [01:20] zul: and in my defense nobody could've anticipated that there'd be an _alarm_ in the knobby security device thing [01:21] I thought it was just something used to activate the door alarm === bronson [n=bronson@adsl-75-36-147-248.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:23] o..k [01:24] an ubuntu1 version overrides a build1 version doesn't it [01:24] u > b [01:25] LaserJock: yes, it does [01:26] right, excellent [01:26] almost have my 2 Main srus done === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying_ [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:31] bddebian! [01:32] Heya LaserJock === Admiral_Chicago [n=freddy@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:37] hi all [01:37] uh oh, bddebian is here [01:37] Hi fernando [01:37] ajmitch: Hi to you too :-) [01:40] hey bddebian === Admiral_Chicago [n=freddy@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chantra [n=chantra@89.101.208.69] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fbond [n=fab@pool-72-92-138-194.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:16] Hello everyone [02:16] i have an interesting question for you all :P [02:17] is there a way to install a debian package and restrict it from starting any services that might be linked to it at the time of the install? [02:17] for example [02:17] openssh-server [02:18] how could you stop it from from /etc/init.d/ssh start at the time of install [02:18] well, remove it's postinst :-) [02:18] LaserJock: well i meant without modifying the package :P [02:19] too bad there is not a sudo apt-get install blah --do-not-start-services [02:20] joejaxx: because dpkg/apt knows nothing about starting services [02:20] the debian way is not to have services installed that arent going to be run , unlike redhat etc where sendmail etc might be installed but not running [02:20] joejaxx: it only executes the postinst script [02:20] exactly what imbrandon said [02:21] i wonder how i can get hal to install then [02:21] that's also why openssh-server and openssh-client are split up [02:21] remove the call to setup_init in openssh-server.postinst [02:21] or i think that was the package === ehazlett [n=ehazlett@adsl-69-212-246-164.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:21] because i cannot have two hal instances running at the same time :P === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-67-17.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:22] crimsun_: yes but that calls for modifying the package which is bad in this case === _DvP_ [n=David@2.39.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:22] hal instances? what precisely are you referring to? [02:23] hald? hald-runner? hald-addon-* ? [02:23] installing hal in a chroot environment [02:23] hald [02:23] i think that is the service if i remember correctly [02:25] you all probably think it is weird i am trying to do that lol [02:26] not really, since it works fine here. [02:27] crimsun_: hmmm [02:27] hold on let me see [02:31] it might not be hald then [02:32] hald i think is the one that takes a while for the service to start when installing the package [02:32] i can tell you in 8 minutes [02:32] i am debootstaping the os now === rmjb [n=richard@cuscon24849.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:33] Hmm, so there is a Houston LoCo team... [02:34] AHHh [02:34] i know what it is now [02:34] it is acpi [02:34] acpid [02:34] that one [02:35] sorry about that hal installs it jut takes a WHILE for the daemon to start [02:36] hm, anyone used vmware-player on feisty? Its fonts are trashed. :( [02:36] no player [02:36] i have used console alot [02:37] e.g. vmware console [02:37] crimsun_: it is acpid === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:52] why is it, when I choose dapper-backports on packages.ubuntu.com the results come up for edgy? [02:55] who knows :-) [02:56] zomg [02:56] look at the gid headlines [02:56] "Ubuntu Satanic Edition Released!!" [02:56] i checked the url and it also has dapper-backports, so it seems something with the searching rather than the search form [02:56] thats old IIRC [02:56] like 2 months old [02:56] imbrandon: where's that headline? [02:56] yay collectively memory of digg < goldfish ;) [02:56] rmjb: digg front page [02:57] according to some stats the collective memory of digg is ~30 days [02:57] before things start repeating again consistently [02:58] LaserJock: imbrandon === joejaxx is crazy and is trying to install acpid in a chroot :P [02:58] Lathiat: FYI goldfish have >30day memory [02:58] riddle me that one [02:58] I used to train fish as a hobby [02:59] joejaxx: not again :P [02:59] jdong: really? [02:59] jdong: hence digg < goldfish? ;) [02:59] jdong: haha! [02:59] joejaxx: absolutely [02:59] they're not the brightest fish [02:59] but they are really really motivated by food [02:59] jdong: how long does it take [02:59] unlike some other fish [02:59] oh [02:59] mythbusters did some stuff with them [02:59] that was interesting; [02:59] it takes about a week to get them to follow a stupid obstacle course [02:59] they respond to bright flourescent colors really well [03:00] and food ALONG the colors :) [03:00] but you can get the to swim in a distinct pattern along the bottom of the tank [03:00] but after they are trained, they will retain it for a long long time [03:01] and if you refresh them like every month with one dry run, they'll remember [03:01] jdong: wow [03:01] but I've left them alone for several months before, and they'll still kinda do the trick [03:01] though with a few flaws here and tehre [03:01] but that definitely proves they don't have a 3-second memory === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lathiat nods [03:01] so yeah, goldfish < digg :D === Lathiat hits up youtube [03:02] now enough of exposing more of my nerdiness [03:02] jdong: reverse digg,goldfish ;) [03:02] Lathiat: it's been a LONG day [03:02] :) === jdong invites Lathiat to read scrollback about me with the stupid security tag [03:07] the mythbusters goldfish thing isnt on youtube [03:07] im dispapointed [03:07] i'll extract it later === crimsun_ groans [03:09] no. Don't respond directly to me in a bug report. Don't mail me 4 MB jpg attachments, playlists, etc. [03:09] LOL [03:09] this bug reporting is getting out of hand. [03:09] crimsun_: I'm sorry :) [03:10] 4mb jpeg, wow crimsun_ [03:11] apparently I'm still downloading the mpg that is attached. [03:11] zomg [03:11] jdong: I saw the backport log for torrentflux [03:11] you said you had it working on dapper? [03:12] rmjb: correct [03:12] rmjb: I have it running on my dapper server [03:12] rmjb: sup? [03:12] crimsun_: ha! a mpeg-2 screen cap? [03:12] what does it take? just the edgy source files and debuild and install? [03:12] I want to get it on my dapper server too [03:13] rmjb: pretty much yeah, bump down the version a bit with a ~ tag of some sort [03:13] rmjb: like append ~0rmjb1 [03:13] cool [03:13] thanks [03:13] crimsun_: then I shouldn't be submitting my bugs in an h.264 encoded interpretive dance? [03:14] by all means, you -should-! [03:14] my killfile AI needs training anyhow [03:15] sigh, just got sistpoty's mail about the meeting date [03:15] :) [03:15] even though it was sent > 4 hours ago [03:15] crimsun_: on second thoughts I'll encode it in RealVideo4 :) === rmjb_ [n=richard@cuscon11716.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:21] I probably got d/c before my last message made it so here it is again [03:21] jdong: since the backport for it to dapper is not complete, is there anything I should be aware of? any package I should have pre-installed? like mysql-client [03:21] rmjb you should have a fully functional LAMP stack installed [03:21] rmjb: including an operational mysql-server [03:21] and client [03:21] installed [03:22] rmjb: torrentflux postinst will want to set up the database for you [03:22] I have apache2, phpX and mysql from attempting mythtv before, so I should be set [03:23] cool [03:23] that'll do [03:25] dget http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/apache2/apache2_2.2.3-3.2.dsc [03:25] gah [03:25] Password: [03:26] oh wait nvm [03:26] :D [03:26] heh [03:27] jdong: so what's needed to complete the backport? [03:28] rmjb_: it doesn't depend on anything else [03:29] rmjb_: heck since it's a php arch-neutral package you can just install the deb if you want [03:29] from edgy? [03:30] yeah sure why not :) [03:30] it's pretty safe to do [03:30] with this particular package [03:31] will give it a shot then === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Simon80_ is now known as Simon80 [03:46] ajmitch: ping [03:46] imbrandon: pong [03:46] heya do you have that hook handy that lets the pbuilder install froim the results dir [03:46] from* [03:47] you know what one i'm talking about hehe === imbrandon is gonna try to install apache2.2 from sid === Skiritai [n=Skiritai@adsl-209-30-229-210.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:53] imbrandon: yeah, I do === ajmitch digs [03:53] some of it is in the pbuilder config [03:55] thanks === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-097-164.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon yawns === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _doomsday- [n=doomsday@home.cameuh.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _doomsday- is now known as doomsday- === rexbron [n=rexbron@199.212.72.37] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:00] hrm i think someone messed up [05:00] http://releases.ubuntu.com/ <-- isnt that supose to be the cd releases ? [05:01] yes, looks b0rk === bddebian2 [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:08] that's not right... === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Chandu [n=Chandu@203.129.255.178] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kkubasik [n=kjk38@kjk38-laptop.STUDENT.CWRU.Edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:35] Sorry if anyone here is also in ubuntu-desktop, as I just asked there, but here it goes [05:35] I have an updated patch against our current gtk+ that adds search support to the file chooser [05:35] pretty wicked, I'm testing the build now, but need a hand figuring out how to get the patch into the gtk package [05:35] so that I can approach ubuntu core with it === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Czessi_away [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-063-062.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tudenbart [n=willi@xdsl-213-196-252-254.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:58] I agree PFA is trollish, but she's on the line only [05:58] just walks along it really [05:59] shit, wrong chan [05:59] err.. !ohmy [05:59] :) [05:59] lol [05:59] looks lik stepmania's going to be a while btw [06:00] I'm trying to work with upstream to clean out the theme for the cvs version, if that is feasible in a quick fashion (this isn't entirely likely though) then I'll package that === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:01] Simon80: heh [06:01] yeah [06:01] well, I'm trying [06:01] I really would like to sort it out so that it's no longer an issue [06:02] but the culture around the game grew up around ripping off official songs, lol [06:02] so they don't tend to meticulously document the copyright [06:02] 3.9 though, not happening [06:02] unless I find a purely legal theme to replace the default, and even that may not happen, the themes cascade, lol [06:03] so I would maybe have to hack on it... and that's ridiculous, theming stepmania is ridiculous [06:03] so at most I'll try to replace media for them if I have time and there's a need === tudenbart is now known as dothebart === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee wishes that she lived in a timezone that didnt suck. === somerville32 bugs Hobbsee [06:25] ... === somerville32 hugs Hobbsee. [06:25] Hobbsee: live in NZ [06:26] ajmitch: i'm not sure that would help [06:26] sure it would [06:26] at least it's a nicer place to live [06:27] hrm [06:29] gnight all [06:29] hight imbrandon === fowlduck [n=nate@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:47] Hobbsee: not sure what you're referring to wrt ubuntu-universe-sponsors [06:48] crimsun_: the mailing list was going to everyone [06:48] right [06:48] people complained, so i put the contact address as one of my other emails [06:48] you're free to be an admin of it, and deal with it however, if you want [06:49] can we set up a mailing list for u-u-s? [06:49] probably, but i've got no idea on how ot [06:49] *to [06:49] that's pretty much what happened for motumedia, among others === Hobbsee nods === crimsun_ returns to marking === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:07] Hobbsee: thanks for taking care of the ubuntu-universe-sponsors bugmail stuff === ash211 [n=andrew@user-11212u3.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:08] minghua: ugh, yeah [07:08] minghua: i'm seriously thinking about putting someone else in charge of it, so they dont screw it up === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:11] Is there a way to set a package's preinst to be dependent on being installed only after another package finishes setting up its conffiles? [07:13] Hobbsee: you were not screwing it up === minghua blames launchpad === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:14] better yet - would pre-depends cover this? [07:14] superm1: you mean preinst being *run* [07:14] ? [07:14] yes [07:15] minghua: yes, launchpad is absolutely moronic, which is why i hadnt dealt with the mail crap before that === Hobbsee still feels like she was screwing it up [07:15] superm1: and what do you mean by "setting up its conffiles"? the other package's postinst needs to be run first? [07:16] Hobbsee: you are doing good, don't worry :-) [07:16] well its not the other package's postinst doing it, its just a conffile that appears to get setup at the end of the install [07:16] heh, okay [07:17] gdm in particular. if i make my package dependent on gdm, i wanted my preinst to be able to read something from gdm.conf-custom [07:17] but its not existing unless gdm is fully installed [07:18] hmm, then how is it a conffile... [07:19] i'm assuming during install, its called gdm.conf-custom.dpkgNEW or something [07:19] to that nature [07:19] superm1: but it sounds like you need a Pre-Depends [07:19] yea thats what i'm thinkin i'm needing after looking at the DNMG [07:19] more closely [07:20] just for the record, there is no gdm.conf-custom conffile in Debian [07:21] but there is in Ubuntu [07:21] this package is gonna be ubuntu specific [07:21] :) [07:21] sure [07:21] I'm just saying :-) [07:22] thanks a bunch [07:22] superm1: it sounds strange though [07:22] superm1: are you sure that file is listed in /var/lib/dpkg/info/gdm.conffiles? [07:22] well i just tested it and it worked [07:22] with a pre-depends [07:23] minghua, yes it is. cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/gdm.conffiles | grep custom [07:23] /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom [07:23] enemies-of-carlotta? that's a package name? [07:24] wow, weird name for a mailing list manager [07:24] superm1: okay thanks. but people are supposed to modify that file, aren't they? that would make upgrade unnecessarily painful. === RAOF|Work is now known as RAOF [07:25] superm1: yeah, I thought it's a game or something [07:25] well what i'm trying to do is provide an alternate file in a different directory, divert the original to a /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom-original, and then use a symlink to link /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom to my alternate file [07:25] the package is a metapackage that is trying to automate the configuration of several apps to fine tune a machine for a specific purpose [07:25] gdm in particular to setup an automatic login [07:26] and then if they scrap the metapackage, they'll get their original conffile back [07:30] minghua, is it against packaging rules to do something like this though? [07:35] superm1: I have not an expert on conffile handling or diversion, but sounds sane to me [07:35] superm1: except that people usually just divert a file and put another with the same name there, instead of doing a symlink [07:35] okay, its the only semisane solution i have been able to come up with the last week. i've been trying lots of wacky things that i've never seen done before [07:35] well i tried that [07:36] but the problem is it becomes a conffile for this package [07:36] and you cant reverse the diversion, unless you purge the package [07:36]