=== jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:23] so, it looks like "tee" is getting stuck on the i386/amd64 builds of gdb. very odd === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:38] jpetso: KDE questions often best in #kubuntu-devel (but I'm off to sleep [12:39] Riddell: well it's not a kde question, technically [12:39] Riddell: but thanks anyways, good night === robertj__ [n=robertj@66-190-84-42.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj_ [n=robertj@66-190-84-42.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === onofrio [n=onofrio@217-133-87-159.b2b.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === onofrio [n=onofrio@217-133-87-159.b2b.tiscali.it] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === realist [n=realist@unaffiliated/realist] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [n=anthony@ekorp-218-185-9-170.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:06] lamont: did you upload libnss-ldap (universe sru) yet? === auxesis_ [n=lindsay@quasimodo.unstated.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Pretto [n=pretto@200.217.77.228] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Pretto [n=pretto@200.217.77.228] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rrittenhouse [n=tad@cpe-76-188-35-66.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:23] /win 10 [02:23] Ng. [02:26] what's the difference between daily and daily-live? the only difference I can see is that the former provides alternate and the latter provides desktop. [02:30] cr3: yes, the desktop cd is the new live cd [02:31] cr3: 'daily' vs. 'daily-live' is a historical thing [02:33] jdub: is there any guarantee at which time the daily and daily-live directories on cdimage.ubuntu.com are updated? is that cronned at a particular time? [02:36] cr3: they are but i forget when === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:39] jdub: The Office is 1 hr === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.12.128.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xabbott [n=xabbott@c-24-129-86-149.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@201.72.60.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dogmatism [n=josh@24.115.218.54.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jmantha [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-072-120.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phlaegel [n=phlaegel@S01060016b619a773.ok.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dilinger [n=dilinger@c-24-128-243-228.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:21] sistpoty: dunno - probably not [04:21] uploaded to sru, I thought [04:21] or rather, proposed updates === ulinskie [n=yolynne@202.57.88.42] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ulinskie [n=yolynne@202.57.88.42] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jmantha [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === static [n=emurphy@194.18.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dilinger_ [n=dilinger@c-24-128-243-228.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dilinger_ is now known as dilinger === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === besonen2_ [n=besonen2@dsl-db.pacinfo.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@177.Red-83-54-74.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DAC41.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:34] morning === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:36] what is a SIGABRT in the context of Openoffice? [05:36] the latest 0day word exploit causes a SIGABRT in openoffice [05:36] (on Edgy) [05:36] (haven't tried anything else) [05:37] http://www.milw0rm.com/sploits/12122006-djtest.doc <-- POC [05:37] OOo dies with a stack trace [05:37] Fatal exception: Signal 6 [05:40] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIGABRT [05:42] PuMpErNiCkEl: I know that much [05:42] I was wondering what it means in terms of OpenOffice in this specific exploit [05:42] jdong: nice. [05:42] more importantly, if OOo is open to a similar exploit as MS Office [05:43] some people on other distros report a segmentation fault [05:43] which raises a big red flag in my mind [05:43] i'd collect debug information and open a bug [05:43] dieman_: ok, will do [05:51] jdong: it's either OOo calling abort() or glibc calling it as a result of heap corruption. [05:51] keescook: yikes... so it shouldn't be exploitable then on Edgy? [05:51] or is it still up in the air? [05:51] keescook: is it worth me filing a bug on it then? [05:52] I haven't had the time to study it, but the "exploits" floaitng around won't work on linux. [05:52] jdong: best to get a backtrace, actually. [05:52] keescook: openoffice did print something at the console that starts with this [05:52] Stack: [05:52] /usr/lib/openoffice/program/libuno_sal.so.3[0x4387d4fb] [05:52] /usr/lib/openoffice/program/libuno_sal.so.3[0x4387d631] [05:53] is that good enough as a backtrace [05:53] or is there some other procedure I should follow? [05:53] nah, I'd like to get one out of apport. [05:53] do you have gdb installed? [05:53] (it didn't trigger apport) [05:53] I do have gdb [05:53] apport ignores abort. okay, edit /usr/share/apport/apport [05:53] if signum == str(signal.SIGQUIT) or signum == str(signal.SIGABRT): [05:53] sys.exit(0) === mneptok [n=mneptok@montreal.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:53] drop the "or signum == str(signal.SIGABRT)" part, and try crashing OOo again [05:53] that's simple enough :) [05:55] keescook: it still doesn't trigger apport [05:56] :-/ [05:57] ah, oowriter is a shell script === jdong chases down binary [05:58] yes! [05:58] I think I triggered apport [05:58] the disk grinding is all too familiar [05:58] yep [06:02] sheesh it's 5MB :) [06:03] jdong: cool. can you open a bug and attach the crash? I think it's heap allocation or something. ooffice just ate my machine alive trying to open that file. :P === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-130-219.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:03] keescook: bug is 75847, apport blob is uploading [06:03] keescook: bug 75847, apport blob is uploading [06:04] cool, thanks [06:04] ahem, bug 75847 [06:04] Malone bug 75847 in openoffice.org "OOo crashes when opening MS Word Exploit POC" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/75847 [06:04] ha the bot doesn't like double-space [06:04] lol [06:05] keescook: while we're waiting I linked to a /. discussion on this that a google turned up [06:05] keescook: oh look at that, it uploaded :) [06:05] cool, thanks. [06:06] (by the way jeez Firefox traces are gigantic) [06:07] that really does explain half my incremental dumps :D [06:07] btw: you may want to put that SIGABRT thing back into apport... there are lot of things that barf that don't produce useful traces on an abort. :) [06:08] lol yeah === jdong reinstalls apport [06:10] #2 0x420cfef3 in abort () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 [06:10] #3 0x4387d636 in osl_raiseSignal () [06:10] from /usr/lib/openoffice/program/libuno_sal.so.3 === ulinskie [n=yolynne@202.57.88.42] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ulinskie [n=yolynne@202.57.88.42] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [06:10] so it looks like an OOo lib raised the abort, so that just means it's a bug in OOo, as far as how it handles reading the file. [06:10] (so, not a security vuln) [06:11] keescook: that's good to know [06:11] keescook: what about the /. folk who reported segfault [06:12] that's slightly more interesting, but plenty of stuff that segfaults isn't a security problem. :) [06:12] :) [06:13] either way, it still (1) worries me [06:13] (2) is a problem that OOo doesn't gracefully handle the error [06:13] it still makes this word exploit at minimum a denial-of-service to OOo [06:13] I'm sure upstream has heard about this by now :D [06:15] well, i386 just crashes. amd64 it eats all available memory. :P We need to invesgitate some kind of popup that SIGSTOPs massive hogs and pops up "process Blah is eating your system for lunch. Kill it? [ Ok ] [ I like trashing ] " [06:16] okay, dinner time. cya [06:16] enjoy, keescook [06:24] keescook: that would stop my firefox every time I start it :P === orion2012 [n=orion@hypnogogic.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack__ [n=rudi@p508D8D74.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.81.130] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GpartedCreator [n=sdfsdfsd@125-238-112-201.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === CrippledCanary [n=Crippled@h144n1fls33o1006.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === CrippledCanary [n=Crippled@h144n1fls33o1006.telia.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@59.92.75.8] has joined #ubuntu-devel === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:14] Good morning [08:16] pitti [08:16] !!! === pitti hugs Hobbsee === Hobbsee hugs pitti === ssam [n=ssam@87.127.117.246] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dade` [n=dade@nectarine/admin/dade] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.11.85.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.74.91] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AnAnt [n=anant@196.202.35.188] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:57] hello [08:57] I think there is a problem with libc6-dev [08:57] in libieee.a [08:57] I got a program linking against it [08:57] and it gave this error: [08:57] /usr/lib/libieee.a:(.data+0x0): multiple definition of `_LIB_VERSION' [08:57] /usr/lib/libieee.a:(.data+0x0): first defined here [08:57] AnAnt: this isn't a support channel. You can file bugs in the bugtracker at bugs.ubuntu.com [08:58] AnAnt: filed a bug? === dous [n=dous@124.104.13.161] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:02] late night hackin' [09:03] pitti: so there relro won't go in like ssp did, eh? [09:03] hey keescook === Hobbsee waves to keescook [09:03] hiya pitti, Hobbsee :) === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:03] keescook: well, we might be able to sneak relro into gcc, if it's really that unintrusive as it sounds [09:04] keescook: but PIE? we shouldn't do that... [09:04] PIE, no way. [09:04] mmm, pie [09:04] I want to test it with stuff in feisty first. === keescook likes PIE [09:04] relro is hardly anything at all. [09:04] I looked at the patch to enable ssp. kinda scary [09:04] keescook: for that, using a ~/bin/gcc wrapper should work [09:05] what's the reason for not doing it the way ssp was done? [09:05] keescook: ccache manages to divert cc/gcc/etc. quite well, too [09:05] keescook: mainly because it alters the default gcc behaviour which might lead to unexpected things when building upstream software [09:06] keescook: for the short term I'd prefer a gcc wrapper while we discuss this with Debian === CicalaMvta [n=CicalaMv@h062040154038.bad.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@193.141.61.201] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:06] keescook: after all, we had a package 'gcc-opt' on the buildds for a loong time === carlos [n=carlos@236.Red-83-40-83.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:06] okay, cool. [09:07] keescook: and got rid of it about the time when we started discussing SSP :/ [09:07] heh [09:07] keescook: how's 2.6.20 wrt. ASLR? does PIE do any good there to enable more juggling? [09:07] can you or doko mock something up so I can see how that would look? [09:08] I haven't tried 2.6.20 yet; i've been dog-fooding compiz, so unwinding stuff without lrm wasn't something I wanted to jump on. :P [09:08] keescook: a ~/bin/gcc with '#!/bin/sh\nexec $0 -fPIE "$@", something like that [09:08] oh, seriously that simple of a wrapper? [09:08] keescook: for testing, why not [09:08] keescook: ccache does it much the same way [09:08] fair enough. [09:09] I'd be stuffing it into my build schroot's [09:09] keescook: a gcc wrapper could look much like the ccache package [09:09] relro> -Wl,-z,relro [09:09] PIE> -fPIE -pie [09:10] the effect would be much like the global build flags, but a centralized change, so the only drawback is that you don't see it in build logs [09:10] Hobbsee: nope [09:10] I'll add logic to notice -norelro, etc. [09:10] keescook: for proper operation, we would need to change dpkg-buildpackage to add the wrapper gcc's to $PATH, of course, but for initial testing, a hack should suffice [09:11] sure. I was thinking I could model the expected "real" correction instead of just hacking it. :) [09:12] so, for ASLR, I swear we saw heap randomization while at UDS, but I don't see it on feisty now. [09:12] exec randomization is for sure not happening. [09:12] keescook: I envision a package ubuntu-gcc-wrapper with wrappers in /usr/share/ubuntu-gcc/ and a diversion of dpkg-buildpackage which mangles $PATH [09:12] ah, very good. [09:12] well, crackful, but effective [09:13] Program Headers: Type Offset VirtAddr PhysAddr [09:13] hm [09:13] Program Headers: [09:13] Type Offset VirtAddr PhysAddr [09:13] LOAD 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000 === keescook rubs his hands together gleefully [09:13] keescook: ah, that's from relro? 0 == arbitrary random location? [09:14] 555555554000-555555555000 r-xp 00000000 fd:00 1412097 /scratch/ubuntu/build/local/pie [09:14] nah, that's PIE. [09:14] ah [09:14] relro is just an extra header with a few sections: [09:14] GNU_RELRO 0x0000000000000de8 0x0000000000200de8 0x0000000000200de8 [09:14] 0x0000000000000218 0x0000000000000218 R 1 [09:14] 08 .ctors .dtors .jcr .dynamic .got [09:15] keescook: while at it, that dpkg-buildpackage wrapper should make any build fail which has ELFs with pages that are w and x :-P === pitti changes from crack mode to sanity again [09:15] Oooh! Great idea! [09:15] that will break all KINDS of things, though. :P [09:15] there are tons of packages that still have exec stack due to asm code. [09:15] :) [09:15] er [09:15] :( [09:16] gdb ftbfs> did you see that insanity? tee isn't quitting. [09:17] should I upload gdb with the PIE patches even though the builds are busted? [09:17] it seems to work fine, and (at least) fedora has been running with it for a while now, so it's reasonably stable. [09:18] I've started trying to get it merged upstream, we'll see how that goes. [09:18] keescook: hm, I saw the FTFBS logs from my upload from yesterday [09:18] keescook: but it looked like it failed due to unexpectedly failed tests [09:18] keescook: was a bit strange, it built fine for me [09:18] locally [09:19] keescook: I suspect different kernels (I built under .20 AFAIR, buildds are probably edgy) [09:19] from what I see, the make check runs and finishes. but the pipe open to "tee" stays. tee is blocked on read(stdin...) and the shell is blocked on a wait() for tee. bizarre [09:19] oh, ugh [09:19] hm, I'm still on 2.6.19-7 [09:19] but I saw exactly the same behavior as the buildds (on both amd64 and the i386 chroot) [09:20] anyway, should I up the PIE patch anyway, and the build failures can be sorted out as we go? [09:20] keescook: it would only make sense if the package actually builds again [09:20] and we need a built gdb, the current one is totally broken [09:21] keescook: so feel free to throw in the PIE patch if you have a workaround/solution for the hang [09:21] I don't have anything yet. :( [09:22] keescook: oh, right [09:22] the previous package even had *more* unexpected failures than my upload [09:22] and it still finished building [09:22] heh [09:22] so it's not that [09:23] keescook: maybe: [09:23] $(MAKE) -C objdir/gdb check > objdir/check.log 2>&1 [09:23] cat objdir/check.log [09:23] yeah, the gnu.hash fixes the tests quite a bit. (without your changes, the tests just grind away forever, slowly timing out) [09:23] keescook: if you can reproduce the hang, does that work for you? [09:24] keescook: right, I tried the previous package on current edgy, all tests fail [09:24] I can try that; I guess we don't need tee for automated builds. :) === ivoks [n=ivoks@37-107.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:24] still strange... [09:25] as if make wouldn't close stdin or stderr... [09:25] it just doesn't like you pitti [09:26] hi Yagisan [09:26] long time no see [09:26] How are you mate ? [09:26] I'm great, and you? [09:27] going ok [09:27] keescook: right, buildds won't care, but it would suck for local builds of course [09:27] overloaded myself time-wise === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:28] If this actually works, I could just fake a tee: touch log; tail -f log &; pid=$1; make check >> log 2>&1; kill $pid :P [09:28] keescook: are you sure that & DTRT in scripts? [09:29] last time I tried something like that it blew up on my face [09:29] If you do it all on the same "line", I think it's safe. I'll try it if this build is okay [09:30] keescook: did you happen to strace the make process when it hanged? [09:30] is it just select()ing? (i. e. poll()) [09:31] the rules make? I didn't. the make check had already quit, though. [09:31] I'm wondering if it's a dash vs bash thing. [09:31] oh, good point [09:32] I couldn't reproduce it using simple cases, either. === ivoks [n=ivoks@37-107.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [n=anthony@220-253-54-244.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seeker` [n=cjo20@ip-62-105-182-26.dsl.twang.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AnAnt [n=anant@196.202.35.188] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [09:54] pitti: yup, dropping tee fixes the build. :( [09:54] keescook: weird, weird, weird === mvo [n=egon@p54A65370.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mjg59 [n=mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:59] Mithrandir: btw, your give-back of gnome-panel in edgy-proposed didn't work === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:00] Mithrandir: but now the apt error message mentions different packages, so it did *something* :/ [10:00] pitti: I saw it; Adam's fixing it now. [10:00] ah, great === pitti hugs infinity and Mithrandir === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === astopy [n=adam@taurus.moosoft.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks_ [n=ivoks@4-217.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:08] pitti: okay, off it goes, gdb_6.5.dfsg-2ubuntu3 has been uploaded with PIE and the tee-- fix. I'm off to bed. [10:08] \o/ === pitti hugs keescook === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:12] keescook: congrats :) === seb128 [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-36-79.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:20] hey seb128 [10:20] hi pitti! [10:22] morning [10:22] hi cjwatson === quail [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:25] cjwatson: I uploaded a new s-t-b with the fixed conflicts yesterday [10:25] judging from shell history, I noticed that last night before I went to bed but then collapsed before remembering to process it [10:25] I'll do that now [10:27] great [10:27] pitti: could you attach the most recent s-t-b patch to the bug for completeness, please? [10:27] oh, sure, doing now === jsgotangco_ [n=jsg123@121.97.192.29] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:29] pitti: all done, please proceed to testing [10:29] great === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:44] Launchpad will be going down in 15 minutes for a code update. Estimated downtime is 10 mins. === MidMark [n=marco@host-84-221-103-93.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:45] hi I've a question: is there a motivation because a very stupid bug that annoy ALL people that uses amule, and that has a patch based in ONE line took 3 months (and still not fixed) to be committed in wxwidgets? === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F7549A.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:46] where is the maitainer?? [10:46] good morning [10:47] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/amule/+bug/59138 === snowblink [n=snowblin@wind.snowblink.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:47] MidMark: Ubuntu doesn't have maintainers (at least, not in the Debian sense). amule is in universe, so you'd be best off asking on #ubuntu-motu [10:47] Malone bug 59138 in wxwidgets "amule crashes when I close a tab" [Unknown,Unknown] [10:47] oook will do now === pitti_ [n=pitti@87.139.47.123] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:52] ? [10:52] sorry [10:54] ah [11:07] belligerent ghouls run Manchester schools. spineless bastards all. === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach hugs mneptok ecstatically === mc44 [n=mc44@ip-81-170-100-10.cust.homechoice.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xerxas [n=R67894@AGrenoble-257-1-119-51.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === openix [n=theballz@60-234-247-77.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:26] mjg59: around? === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@4-217.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@titoph.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jonh_wendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jonh_wendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Bye"] === astharot [n=gerardo@hq.phrack.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.73.254] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jonibo [n=jonas@213.212.2.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F7504.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:32] carlos: I'm curious, how did your attempt for feisty langpacks work out? [12:33] pitti: waiting for kiko [12:33] ooh, new LP with icon and task tree shinyness === giskard [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] carlos: what do I have to do to clean up https://translations.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/tsclient/+pots/tsclient/ru/+translate ? [12:36] pitti: nothing, I'm able to do it today [12:36] pitti: I had a problem with permissions [12:36] but today it was fixed [12:36] ah, cool === pitti hugs carlos [12:37] BenC: hey, any chance of a CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO in the near future for -dbg- stuff (aka make systemtap work, AIUI) === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === CypherBIOS [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:46] mvo: ping [12:47] mvo: just merged apt-watch, hope that's OK. [12:48] Hobbsee: apt-index-watcher? [12:48] gnomefreak: er, yeah [12:48] the one that's in universe [12:49] thats not in universe [12:49] phew === kaptengu [n=kaptengu@c213-100-60-132.swipnet.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:51] mvo: when you come back, see this http://en.cypherbios.org/archives/4 === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:03] mjg59: http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/compiz-update/, I've updated to the new version, switched to cdbs and moved changes to debian/patches too. If you want to have a look and let me know if you have some objection, I'll wait for your comments before uploading. What is the rational to use indirectRendering by default BTW? === pecisk [n=pecisk@purvc-44-54.maksinets.lv] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cprov [n=cprov@monga.dorianet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@177.Red-83-54-74.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lorenzod [n=lorenzod@80.87.77.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lorenzod [n=lorenzod@80.87.77.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@host86-145-196-36.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ubuntu_demon [n=ubuntu_d@ubuntu/member/ubuntudemon/-x-12083] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@201.72.60.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel === geser [n=michael@dialin111073.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === astharot [n=gerardo@hq.phrack.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jrib [n=jasonr@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=francis@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kaptengu [n=kaptengu@c213-100-60-132.swipnet.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shawarma [n=sh@atlas.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:54] is beryl-core still FTB? [01:56] gnomefreak: hint: you want to use compiz ;) [01:56] oh no :( [01:57] why no? [01:57] seb128: last time i used compiz was during dapper devel and it was crap. i hope it has gotten better [01:58] gnomefreak: good reason to try it again [01:58] gnomefreak: http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/compiz-update/, I've started working on updating it to the new version if you want to try [01:58] ok cool i will ty [02:00] should i still grab the desktop-effects package? === Hobbsee wonders how it works with kde [02:01] gnomefreak: yep, that's an easy way to enable it and revert if it doesn't work fine (just use esc key or wait) [02:02] ok ty === shackan_ [n=shackan@81-208-60-205.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:03] np === shackan__ [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:04] seb128: the package cgwd shouldnt be a recommend since there is no package [02:04] seb128: for the desktop-effects package ;) [02:05] gnomefreak: [02:05] $ apt-cache show desktop-effects | grep Recommends [02:05] $ [02:05] for compiz you mean [02:05] right :) [02:05] yeah sorry [02:06] i was installing the -effects package and it depends on compiz and the recommends shows up i forgot compiz was gonna be installed === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kwah [n=kwah@gate.wfw.wtb.tue.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kwah [n=kwah@gate.wfw.wtb.tue.nl] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Zdra [n=zdra@176.225-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak missed a deb :( === shackan__ [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:17] dholbach: do you understand why my networkmanager build doesn't seem to update the gtk icon cache on installation? [02:17] again ? [02:18] (it uses cdbs, so I though it was supposed to call dh_iconcache and get that thing fixed automatically) [02:18] Mithrandir: because it needs to call dh_iconcache. i'll bet it's a custom cdbs.mk [02:18] seems we have that every beginning of a new release [02:18] ogra: you're not helping. [02:18] Hobbsee: nope [02:18] ogra: i saw that bug in edgy, but didnt fix it, as i'd need a sponsor === Hobbsee looks === ssam [n=ssam@87.127.117.246] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:19] ah, it's only called if you add the gnome package too [02:19] as in, gnome.mk [02:19] ah! :-) === dholbach hugs Mithrandir [02:20] Mithrandir: gnome.mk isnt included in it [02:20] Hobbsee: see four-five lines up. :-P [02:21] Mithrandir: i meant at pre-install time === Hobbsee wonders if that's the correct syntax [02:21] I think I got it now. [02:22] cool [02:24] is anybody working on the xorg-server merge with Debian? === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-c3ed5e25cca67d2d] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:24] seb128: shouldnt you be asking that in #ubuntu-x or something? === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:25] Hobbsee: well, I expect that most of people are on -devel too [02:25] ah [02:25] true that === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:25] Hobbsee: and believe it if you want some non-xorg people are doing merges for xorg packages too :p [02:25] morning [02:25] seb128: geser :) [02:26] hi zul [02:26] morning zul [02:26] hi pitti [02:26] seb128: that's scary. i've not attempted that [02:26] Hobbsee: the xorg-server one is assigned to me according to the merge list because I touched it to fix a bug before edgy :p [02:26] pitti: I only merged the xserver-xorg-input-* from universe [02:27] geser: oh, I thought I saw more from you [02:27] seb128: is there a theme package? i hate this boarderless windows. it happens on beryl also changing theme normally works [02:27] gnomefreak: compiz should respect the metacity theme no? [02:27] seb128: heh. poor bugger. [02:27] its not i have no boarders [02:27] pitti: no, only xserver-xorg-input-* and xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting [02:27] gnomefreak: bug 73544 [02:27] Malone bug 73544 in desktop-effects "enabled desktop effects window decoration" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/73544 [02:28] and window is stuck in upper left hand cornber [02:28] pitti: ty [02:28] gnomefreak: Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True" [02:28] it is [02:28] ff has boarder [02:28] terminal doesnt :( [02:28] gnomefreak: right, current compiz' idea of workspaces is, erm, totally broken [02:28] brb let me see what i can do [02:28] pitti: hum? [02:29] pitti: how so? [02:29] seb128: bug 75597 [02:29] Malone bug 75597 in compiz "workspace handling totally broken" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/75597 [02:29] the workspace switcher applet is working fine for me with 0.3.4 [02:29] pitti: [02:29] http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/compiz-update/ is anybody wants to try compiz 0.3.4 [02:29] it understands workspaces now [02:30] oh I might have filed a dup of bug 74767 with that [02:30] Malone bug 74767 in compiz "Use workspaces instead of viewports by default" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74767 [02:30] pitti: from #ubuntu-desktop 1h30 ago :p [02:30] seb128: ah, was away at that time :) [02:30] pitti: I would appreciate if you can give it a try [02:30] seb128: does it also solve the horribly slow window resizing? [02:30] seb128: right, will do [02:30] well [02:31] I think that's because the package is patched to use indirectRendering by default [02:31] I've pinged mjg59 about that, I'm waiting for a reply [02:31] you can maybe try compiz --direct-rendering --replace [02:32] I get a white screen when doing that [02:32] cube rotation works though [02:32] all the face are all white though :/ === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:32] I had to run metacity --replace to get my screen back :p [02:32] hm [02:32] is anyone part of upstart-devel ML ? [02:32] pitti: BTW https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/58373 [02:32] Malone bug 58373 in xorg-server "Blue compiz for PowerPC" [Unknown,In progress] [02:32] seb128: it's just that with normal metacity it's smooth and slick [02:33] i added the boolean option and it worked [02:33] pitti: your blue screen on ppc is xorg-server bog [02:33] oh, that too [02:33] gnomefreak: which one? [02:33] pitti: that's why I'm asking about the sync, it's fixed to Debian, and I'm pondering just patching for that or doing the sync [02:33] Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "true" Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "boolean" [02:33] both of those are needed [02:34] ok [02:34] what videodriver do you use? [02:34] atleast on my nvidia 5200 [02:34] :) [02:34] nvidia 9xxx [02:34] oh wait crap [02:35] by any chance, is anyone using ATI Rage 128 with direct rendering on ? [02:35] ok yep still working good :) i forgot to enable compiz :( [02:35] seb128: I don't know for sure, but from the way that rodarvus hasn't done any uploads to feisty, I'm guessing that other people need to step in [02:36] cjwatson: ok, what I thought, I figured I would ask first [02:36] I'll mail him and ask [02:36] I'll upload that on monday if I get no reply before [02:36] I don't want to upload some xorg package on friday [02:36] seb128: no it doesnt fix it [02:36] seb128: sensible [02:37] gnomefreak: "fix" what? [02:37] seb128: the boarderless windows [02:37] gnomefreak: what plugins do you have to /apps/compiz/general/allscreens/options/active_plugins ? [02:37] you need "decoration" [02:38] hmmmmm === pradeep [n=pradeep@59.92.71.154] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:39] seb128: compiz amd64 debs in chinstrap:~pitti if you want to copy them to your people dir [02:39] seb128: how do i open the plugins package? [02:39] there is no menu [02:39] gnomefreak: "unset" the gconf key from gconf-editor to get the default list [02:39] gnomefreak: that's a gconf key [02:39] pitti: danke [02:39] seb128: de rien :) [02:39]