[02:06] <rjian> elkbuntu: good morning..
[02:06] <rjian> elkbuntu: u there?
[02:07] <rjian> hmmm no ones here
[02:08] <somerville32> I'm here
[02:09] <somerville32> jenda: ping
[02:09] <rjian> somerville32: hello hehe can u point me to the logo guidelines?
[02:10] <somerville32> Try speaking with the Ubuntu art team
[02:11] <rjian> hehe ok thnx
[02:11] <Admiral_Chicago> rjian: google official ubuntu art
[02:11] <Admiral_Chicago> there should be a page on the team descrpition
[02:11] <somerville32> Admiral_Chicago, Hey
[02:11] <rjian> Admiral_Chicago: hello 
[02:11] <Admiral_Chicago> hello
[02:12] <somerville32> What was with that really weird message on the ml?
[02:12] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm not on the mailing list, dunno
[02:12] <rjian> Admiral_Chicago: hehe finding guidelines for the logo because the loca Ubuntu-ph team logo is not qualified
[02:12] <rjian> a/loca/loCo
[02:32] <rjian> somerville32: u can check the propose logo to the trademark on the Ubuntu-ph team http://jucato.org/stuff/ubuntu-ph.png
[02:32] <somerville32> Cool :] 
[02:32] <rjian> somerville32: but not qualified :(
[02:33] <rjian> somerville32: any suggestion u can make?
[02:34] <somerville32> I'm afraid I have nothing to do with artwork.
[02:34] <somerville32> But I'll ask my art buddy
[02:35] <somerville32> ...Who happens to be offline right now
[02:35] <somerville32> hehe
[02:35] <somerville32> You might e-mail the ubuntu-art team mailing list
[02:35] <somerville32> I'm sure they'll be happy to give you pointers
[02:42] <rjian> somerville32: hehehe ok.. :)
[04:53] <cellofellow> anybody interested in marketing Xubuntu, help out at http://cellofellow.homelinux.net/ubuntu/wiki
[05:06] <cellofellow> I saw somebody access it. What do you think?
[05:08] <somerville32> lol
[05:09] <cellofellow> somerville32: not you cody I know you've seen it. :)
[05:09] <somerville32> ;] 
[12:29] <jenda> elkbuntu: you're on a mailing spree? :)
[12:29] <elkbuntu> jenda, yep
[12:29] <jenda> I think Dan will be able to make it to the meeting.
[12:29] <jenda> Which is good.
[12:29] <jenda> I invited matthewrevell, too, having stumbled upon him.
[12:30] <jenda> But he'll probably not make it.
[12:30] <elkbuntu> didnt expect he would
[12:46] <a7p> hi everyone, I just had a little chat @ubuntu-bugs ... and I'd like to suggest to introduce something like "A bug a week" ... one bug and it's symptoms get described and then it is shown how this particular bug was fixed ...
[12:47] <a7p> I don't know if it is a good idea to get more people into bugfixing and reporting ... but at least it's an idea.
[12:47] <elkbuntu> a7p, have you put this past sfllaw?
[12:48] <a7p> elkbuntu, no, I've talked to hobbsee and she pointed me here.
[12:49] <elkbuntu> a7p, ok. if you're unsure, talk to sfllaw, and see what he thinks the best way to go would be. if he thinks it's a good idea, and you are willing to maintain the section, then by all means, we can consider adding it :)
[12:50] <a7p> okay, I will talk to him ... (eventhough I think I am not able to maintain something that technically).
[12:50] <Admiral_Chicago> a7p: similar to debian package a week?
[12:51] <jenda> I could imagine that appearing in the UWN.
[12:51] <a7p> Admiral_Chicago, exactly only about bugs and how they got fixed.
[12:51] <Admiral_Chicago> i like the idea.
[12:51] <Admiral_Chicago> not sure about implementation, there are many ways to work it
[12:52] <elkbuntu> i do too. however, i believe simon should get a say on how he thinks it would be most beneficial/effective
[12:53] <Admiral_Chicago> yup, I don't think they would have a problem with it however
[12:53] <Admiral_Chicago> you might also want to put a little: how it was triaged etc
[12:53] <Admiral_Chicago> not sure
[12:53] <Admiral_Chicago> i have finals to study for
[12:53] <Admiral_Chicago> @now chicag
[12:54] <Admiral_Chicago> @now chicago
[12:54] <Admiral_Chicago> see?
[12:54] <Admiral_Chicago> oh it doesn't work bit it's 5.54 here.....
[12:54] <Admiral_Chicago> yea
[12:57] <elkbuntu> ubugtu does the time
[12:57] <a7p> elkbuntu, who do I best contact sfllaw? I just queried him - but no reaction (may be I should give him 5 or 6 hours).
[12:58] <elkbuntu> a7p, he's in canada and it's 4am there
[12:58] <elkbuntu> or so
[12:59] <a7p> what a weak excuse *g* ... 
[12:59] <MenZa> Denn du bist was du isst! Es ist mein Teil!
[01:00] <a7p> I'll put my jabber id in the query so he can answer when he wants.
[01:00] <elkbuntu> https://launchpad.net/people/sfllaw
[01:01] <tonyyarusso> a7p: Indeed it is.
[01:02] <tonyyarusso> 7:00 AM for me in Canada, and haven't gone to bed yet
[01:02] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, he's probably over your side of the icecube anyway
[01:02] <tonyyarusso> Icecube?
[01:03] <tonyyarusso> It's 4 degrees, in the middle of December!
[01:03] <elkbuntu> i rest my case
[01:03] <tonyyarusso> We don't even have snow, in fact, it's supposed to rain today
[01:03] <tonyyarusso> Bloody weather
[01:03] <tonyyarusso> The snow should be up to my knees by now...
[01:03] <elkbuntu> well thats ok, we're in for a 40'C summer
[01:04] <tonyyarusso> ewwwwwww
[01:04] <tonyyarusso> possibly literally
[01:04] <tonyyarusso> Well, lesse ours was
[01:04] <elkbuntu> it was 35'C at 9:30pm the other day
[01:04] <tonyyarusso> Does ubotu do math?
[01:04] <tonyyarusso> 40 / 5 = 8, 8 * 9 = 72, 72 + 32 = 104
[01:04] <elkbuntu> no, google does though
[01:05] <tonyyarusso> Okay, yeah we go over that.
[01:05] <tonyyarusso> Last summer we hit 106
[01:05] <tonyyarusso> But I usually crawl up in a ball in the basement and cry when that happens.
[01:05] <elkbuntu> um.. who said 40 was the temp we 'hit'?
[01:05] <tonyyarusso> blargh
[01:05] <elkbuntu> i mean we're looking to have a summer of almost 40 average
[01:06] <tonyyarusso> I remember being stranded in South Dakota when it was 110
[01:06] <tonyyarusso> That was unpleasant
[01:06] <elkbuntu> i bet
[01:06] <tonyyarusso> My comfort range is -40 - +75 deg F
[01:07] <elkbuntu> heh, i prefer above freezing, but cold is better than hot
[01:07] <elkbuntu> in a few weeks, nekkid will be over dressed
[01:07] <MenZa> Depends on the situation.
[01:07] <tonyyarusso> You can always put more clothes on, but there's a limit to what you can take off
[01:07] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, precisely
[01:07] <MenZa> if you're lying in a tent with a tiny sleeping bag, I prefer hot.
[01:07] <MenZa> :d
[01:07] <tonyyarusso> MenZa: Ewww
[01:07] <elkbuntu> lol
[01:07] <tonyyarusso> I have stains on my ThermARest from sweat in SD that summer
[01:08] <elkbuntu> MenZa, i've been in that situation, on christmas eve, in an inch of rain
[01:08] <MenZa> ow
[01:08] <elkbuntu> well, the puddle was an inch deep anyhow
[01:08] <a7p> argg ... chrismas ... I still need to buy gifts ... :|
[01:08] <tonyyarusso> I've been tenting comfortably in -9 F (-20something C)
[01:08] <elkbuntu> got mine done yesterday :D
[01:10] <elkbuntu> MenZa, btw, the only reason i was sleeping in a puddle, is because cousins and brothers decided to peg lemons around for a dog to chase, and one was directed at the tent... so lemon + following dog rendered tent damaged :(
[01:10] <MenZa> lol
[01:10] <MenZa> That sucks :o
[01:10] <MenZa> a7p: me too :\
[01:10] <MenZa> I have... two.
[01:11] <MenZa> Another two, that is
[01:11] <tonyyarusso> You know what's really nice for winter camping though?  Quinzees.
[01:11] <tonyyarusso> Sooooo warm
[01:11] <tonyyarusso> and cozy
[01:11] <elkbuntu> a what?
[01:12] <tonyyarusso> Snow hut.  You make a pile of snow, let is sit for a few hours to set, then hollow it out.
[01:13] <elkbuntu> you canadians are weird
[01:13] <tonyyarusso> Try it some time
[01:13] <tonyyarusso> And I'm only kinda Canadian
[01:19] <jenda> why that, tonyyarusso?
[01:19] <tonyyarusso> jenda: Why kinda Canadian?
[01:19] <jenda> yep
[01:20] <tonyyarusso> I'm born, raised, and issued a passport in the USA.  I'm going to school in Canada though (uni, 2nd year), and they actually _have_ an Ubuntu LoCo, so....
[01:21] <jenda> cool ;)
[01:21] <jenda> I did my 12th year of high school in Canada
[01:21] <jenda> en franais :)
[01:21] <tonyyarusso> Plus, Minnesota's a blue state, _and_ north of where I am in Ontario, so it's like honorary Canada
[01:21] <jenda> lol
[01:21] <jenda> blue = democrats, right?
[01:22] <tonyyarusso> Yeah
[01:22] <tonyyarusso> Just to confuse the world, since _everywhere_ _else_ blue is conservatives...
[01:22] <jenda> hehe
[01:22] <xipietotec> anyone here a FSF member?
[01:22] <jenda> including here.
[01:22] <MenZa> Thought about it, xipietotec
[01:23] <tonyyarusso> Oh, and in our case, it's not just democrats, it's "Democratic Farmer Labor party" - our own little version; has to do with unique state political history stuff
[01:24] <tonyyarusso> I should get some sleep
[01:24] <jenda> heh...
[01:24] <jenda> are you still up, or already up, tonyyarusso?
[01:25] <tonyyarusso> jenda: still
[01:25] <jenda> funky
[01:25] <tonyyarusso> yep
[01:25] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, the US has a LoCo, that's splintered 20 ways to stupidity
[01:25] <jenda> Dan buch is your timezone, and he got up about an hour ago :)
[01:25] <tonyyarusso> So, the sun will be up soon, therefore I'm going down
[01:25] <a7p> tonyyarusso, that's right - hide from it.
[01:25] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: I'm not aware of any activity other than CO and NJ
[01:26] <jenda> tonyyarusso: there are quite a few.
[01:26] <jenda> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList?highlight=%28CategoryLoCoTeams%29
[01:26] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamsList
[01:26] <tonyyarusso> But do any of them DO anything?
[01:26] <jenda> AFAIK, Chicago is quite active.
[01:27] <tonyyarusso> Oh, and chicgo
[01:27] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, proliferate more splinters
[01:27] <elkbuntu> utah is a bit ok as well afaik
[01:27] <tonyyarusso> Mmmmmm, me and ubotu
[01:28] <elkbuntu> haha.. poke imbrandon to join his own damned loco then
[01:28] <xipietotec> see? No one lives in the midwest
[01:28] <tonyyarusso> I'll try during daylight hours sometime
[01:28] <tonyyarusso> Where's imbrandon from?
[01:28] <jenda> atoponce is the Utah guy...
[01:28] <tonyyarusso> Minnesota has a LP page, but no irc channel
[01:29] <xipietotec> huh....no one in #ubuntu-california either
[01:29] <jenda> careful about too many IRC channels, it can split the effort.
[01:30] <jenda> Dan Buch says 'lump, don't split' :)
[02:00] <atoponce> elkbuntu: yeah. we are very active, actually. meeting once a month, with ~15 members
[02:01] <atoponce> our mailing list and forums are low activity though
[02:01] <elkbuntu> atoponce, we = ?
[02:01] <atoponce> utah loco team
[02:01] <elkbuntu> aha, read up finally
[02:01] <atoponce> :)
[02:02] <elkbuntu> no prob.
[02:02] <atoponce> hey, i like your ubuntu counter. are you thinking of releasing the source to it?
[02:03] <elkbuntu> atoponce, when/if i ever clean it up
[02:03] <atoponce> :)
[02:03] <jenda> atoponce: I hope you don't want to decentralise it.
[02:03] <jenda> :)
[02:03] <atoponce> np. just curious.
[02:03] <jenda> elkbuntu: you should follow the launchpad model ;)
[02:03] <atoponce> jenda: i've been thinking of setting up a dvorak counter
[02:03] <jenda> woo :)
[02:04] <jenda> elkbuntu: please open up the source! :)
[02:04] <atoponce> :)
[02:04] <elkbuntu> jenda, atm, that's basically the reason. "it's not ready"
[02:04] <jenda> k 
[02:05] <elkbuntu> atoponce, it's a surprisingly simple model. it stores users, then counts the users.
[02:06] <atoponce> elkbuntu: yeah. i was planning one out, and it didn't seem too bad, but then i thought, rather than reinvent the wheel, use another api, and improve it. :)
[02:06] <jenda> EEE 
[02:07] <jenda> hmm
[02:07] <jenda> we might get a chance to appeal to the Culture ministry to use FLOSS
[02:08] <jenda> the CZLUG leader to the minister: "You probably aren't pleased with being the head of the best known organisation involved in software piracy in the country"
[02:08] <jenda> that's some cheek ;)
[02:08] <jenda> s/cheek/brazenness/
[02:09] <atoponce> nice
[02:12] <jenda> you there?
[02:12] <jenda> wow... after a bit of research:
[02:13] <jenda> more than two thirds of their computers run illegal soft :)
[02:13] <jenda> ROFL
[02:13] <jenda> Go government.
[02:13] <atoponce> why doesn't that surprise me? :)
[02:14] <jenda> 150-200 MS Win licences :)
[02:14] <jenda> mm
[02:15] <jenda> that's over a million CZK :)
[02:15] <jenda> rofl...
[02:16] <jenda> that's a chance for us.
[02:17] <jenda> meh...
[02:17] <jenda> not sure if we want them to use our wonderful OS
[02:18] <jenda> They were lent 25 PCs a few years ago by a company, and didn't return them when they were due... so the company billed for them, and they never paid.
[02:21] <atoponce> nice
[02:22] <atoponce> there are a couple employees at my work who have pirated software on their machines.
[02:23] <atoponce> and ith it manager knows about it, but prefers to "forget" it
[02:23] <atoponce> drives me nuts
[02:23] <atoponce> s/ith/the/
[02:35] <jenda> hehe
[03:11] <nixternal> i don't get the statement "the US has a LoCo, that's splintered 20 ways to stupidity"
[03:12] <elkbuntu> nixternal, your one country, has quite literally 10x the number of locos *ANY* other country does
[03:13] <nixternal> and we have 10x the population as well
[03:14] <nixternal> Ubuntu Chicago has a market of 9 million plus to reach alone
[03:14] <elkbuntu> you have more population than china or india?
[03:14] <nixternal> umm no
[03:14] <elkbuntu> china has the whole of 2 locos, not 20
[03:14] <elkbuntu> india i believe has 1
[03:15] <elkbuntu> they cope fine
[03:15] <elkbuntu> *that* was my point
[03:15] <nixternal> ya, but i am willing to bet there are areas that aren't being targeted
[03:15] <nixternal> screw it, i guarantee it
[03:15] <jenda> elkbuntu: india has more.
[03:15] <nixternal> coping is one thing, effectively reaching the entire market is another
[03:15] <elkbuntu> there's still areas that arent being targeted in the US, because there's people starting 1 person locos
[03:15] <jenda> and the loco teams are meant to be able to target their area.
[03:16] <jenda> I can't imagine a team properly managing the entire states.
[03:16] <nixternal> well 1 person loco's is ignorant
[03:16] <elkbuntu> jenda, no, but one team managing the chapters would be great
[03:16] <jenda> meh
[03:16] <jenda> ok
[03:16] <jenda> ;)
[03:16] <nixternal> the only reason i started chicago is because we instantly had 40+ interested from the forums alone
[03:17] <elkbuntu> why not illinois as a whole?
[03:17] <nixternal> plus now I am the president of the LoCo, so now we have just kind of grew into one huge "Ubuntu Marketing" family in the Chicago land area
[03:17] <nixternal> we are looking at becoming Ubuntu Illinois actually
[03:17] <elkbuntu> cool, good
[03:17] <nixternal> we have people in the center of the state now and the southern portion of the state
[03:17] <elkbuntu> :)
[03:18] <nixternal> so it only makes sense for us to become Illinois eventually
[03:18] <juliux> hi all
[03:19] <jenda> yo, jules.
[03:19] <jenda> :)
[03:19] <jenda> juliux: what's your email again? I had someone email @ubuntu.com, and it came back undelivered.
[03:20] <juliux> jenda, jbloch@ubuntu.com  or jbloch@edubuntu.org are working but my main one is juliux@ubuntu-de.org
[03:20] <jenda> long live spam ;)
[03:20] <juliux> i have a greate spamfilter;)
[03:20] <jenda> k, will rememba for next time.
[03:20] <jenda> hehe
[03:23] <juliux> elkbuntu, in which channel is the marketing meeting?
[03:24] <elkbuntu> juliux, um... i really dont know
[03:24] <juliux> elkbuntu, good answer;)
[03:24] <elkbuntu> juliux, well... for as long as i've been with the team, there's not been a meeting
[03:24] <nixternal> heh, we used to have a lot of "good" meetings
[03:24] <elkbuntu> nixternal, people obtained lives
[03:25] <nixternal> must be ;p
[03:25] <nixternal> hey
[03:25] <nixternal> what are you saying? i don't have a life now? ;p
[03:25] <elkbuntu> you're one of the ones that does
[03:25] <nixternal> well, i guess....tell me something i didn't know already
[03:25] <nixternal> if i can't purchase it on amazon, then i don't need it ;)
[03:25] <elkbuntu> you're part of the problem, man
[03:26] <nixternal> always am, if you have an issue, please file a bug against it in malone
[03:26] <nixternal> heh, now that would be one hell of a triagers nightmare...fixing "nixternal" bugs
[03:27] <elkbuntu> but seriously, ompaul got a life and gnewsense, matthewrevell got a life and a canonical job, mdke... i dont know if he's on much anymore, but he got a life and a job
[03:27] <nixternal> bah, i don't need all that...i got a life with school & ubuntu..that's enough for me
[03:27] <nixternal> anymore and my head would explode
[03:27] <juliux> school lol ;)
[03:28] <nixternal> ya, but i am double majoring now to finish my masters and another comp sci degree, and then possibly (haven't made up my mind yet) a phd in probably electrical engineering or comp sci
[03:29] <juliux> phd ?
[03:29] <nixternal> at 32, i decided to finish everything, since the military is paying for everything...can't loose that opportunity
[03:29] <nixternal> dr. or philosophy
[03:30] <nixternal> which is scary to think about
[03:41] <nixternal> thank god for musicbrainz
[03:42] <nixternal> i converted all of my music to ogg last night (finally), and a lot of the tags were removed
[03:53] <atoponce> musicbrainz rocks! i don't know what i'd do without it. i certainly wouldn't tag the files myself! ;)
[04:04] <nixternal> ya, i just noticed the button for it in amarok and totally forgot i set that up many months back
[04:11] <atoponce> so, am i to understand that the marketing meeting is in 10 hours and 49 minutes?
[04:12] <elkbuntu> atoponce, i believe 30 hours. confirm with Burgwork if he ever regains consciousness
[04:13] <atoponce> hmm. ok. trying to decipher if it's 12:01am is sat or sun
[04:19] <MitchM> jenda -- good sir?
[04:20] <jenda> MitchM: I was about to warn you about an email coming - it's already there, though.
[04:20] <MitchM> lol k
[04:21] <MitchM> jenda: Bah! More users.
[04:30] <MitchM> well jenda -- It will be hard to get everyone to be able to read/write securely.
[04:30] <jenda> hmm
[04:30] <jenda> how dat?
[04:30] <MitchM> Since apache needs to be a member of the group to read the web files. That means if I add "other" people to the group -- and allow them "Write" privs.
[04:31] <MitchM> Then apache has write privs to the directory also.
[04:31] <MitchM> which is (in my experience) never a good idea.
[04:31] <MitchM> If you would like me to create a seperate "diy" account for general use.
[04:31] <MitchM> I can do that
[04:31] <MitchM> or I can proceed on with adding everyone to the group
[04:32] <MitchM> and giving apache write access to the files
[04:32] <jenda> ok, then, just leave it as it is :)
[04:32] <MitchM> k :)
[04:32] <MitchM> and what abou the newuser "bueno"
[04:32] <MitchM> ignore?
[04:32] <MitchM> about*
[04:38] <jenda> MitchM: we'll just let him use the account there is now, if necessary.
[04:38] <MitchM> Good.
[04:38] <MitchM> Thats what i like to hear =)
[04:38] <MitchM> lol
[04:40] <jenda>