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Admiral_Chicagonixternal: ping in this channel08:11
nixternalyo yo08:11
nixternalpong in that channel08:11
Admiral_Chicagothere is a missing doc page that we need to do08:13
Admiral_Chicagoit's pretty critical imo08:13
Admiral_Chicagoi've needed it bofer08:13
Admiral_Chicagolet me get the link...08:13
nixternalplease don't say the "modem" section or a more detailed networking section08:13
Admiral_Chicagono way08:13
Admiral_Chicagohttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingHardwareDetection08:14
nixternalheh, get the devs on it08:14
Admiral_Chicagothe sound devs?08:15
nixternalwell, anyone dealing specifically with hardware08:15
nixternalsound, video, you name it08:15
nixternalvideo detection is pretty much straight forward, sound has always been a silly tricky one for me in the past08:16
Admiral_Chicagocan I just email the list?08:16
nixternalwifi will continue being an issue, as we aren't catching up quick enough08:16
nixternalyou can start it, but if you do i would recommend maybe hitting up the dev lists asking for help08:16
Admiral_Chicagohold on a suc08:17
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Admiral_Chicagonixternal: ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com08:19
nixternalwouldn't hurt08:19
Admiral_Chicagookay08:19
Admiral_Chicagoi think i'm going to CC documentation team08:19
Admiral_Chicagogood idea08:20
Admiral_Chicago?08:20
nixternalprobably don't need to cc the doc team, unless you want to spark some creative writing interest08:23
Admiral_Chicagoerr, too late.. ;\08:30
Admiral_Chicagowell someone can turn it down if it's not relevant08:30
nixternalhehe08:36
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nixternalg'nite08:36
Admiral_Chicagonight08:36
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mdke_I suppose it may be time to merge that topic-based-help stuff into trunk. No one has objected. But then again, not many have commented either12:48
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mptmdke_ or anyone, has Will Simpson's patch from December 11th been merged? It would be a shame if we lost a potential contributor because of a poor first experience02:55
mdke_mpt: yes it has (did I forget to send the confirmation email to the list?). He's also asked me a couple of questions via private email, he seems keen02:56
mdke_I applied it to the topic-based-help branch too02:57
mptok, cool02:58
mdke_I'm just merging that branch into trunk too, we've procrastinated too long over it. We can tidy it up later02:58
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mdke_god, is svn slow for everyone else?04:18
mdke_what a pain04:18
mdke_Seveas: wow, good job on the CC agenda page, if that was you.04:21
Seveasmdke_, it was04:21
mdke_nice04:21
mdke_Seveas: is part of your job also chasing them for setting meeting times?04:21
SeveasI consider it to be and I am already chasing04:22
mdke_good, glad to hear that04:22
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tonyyarussoAnybody need a break?  Come play !teg04:22
Seveastonyyarusso, don't spam...04:22
tonyyarussofine..04:22
mdke_especially without explaining what !teg is04:23
tonyyarussoThat would be why someone made a factoid.04:23
mdke_that nonsense doesn't apply in here, you have to say what you mean04:23
tonyyarussoall right.04:24
nixternalmdke_: yes mine just locked up04:29
nixternalsvn that is04:29
linuxphotogeekI'm having problem also04:36
linuxphotogeekI get error 'Failed to add directory 'ubuntu': object of the same name already exists'04:37
nixternalwhat are you trying to add the ubuntu directory to?04:39
linuxphotogeeknothing! this is the output of svn up04:40
linuxphotogeekjust trying to do an update04:40
nixternaltry it again..you might have done an up during a commit possibly04:41
linuxphotogeekI did get some updates to edubunutu and kubuntu04:42
mdke_maybe I broke it with my messing around04:42
linuxphotogeekstill no joy04:42
nixternalmdke_: i just did an up w/o any troubles04:42
linuxphotogeekmust be my problem04:43
nixternallinuxphotogeek: you can blast the ubuntu directory and then do up again04:43
mdke_yes, delete things that aren't working, and re-up them04:43
mdke_nixternal: whenever I commit there is a 5 minute wait after transferring the data, do you get that?04:43
linuxphotogeekThanks! I'll try that04:43
mdke_I don't know whether it is local or on the server-side04:44
nixternali just got that earlier with the edubuntu handbook fix04:44
nixternali think we may have committed at the same time possibly04:44
mdke_no, I get it every time04:44
nixternalahhh04:44
nixternali committed just fine last night testing my commit rights on this computer04:44
nixternalcould be a hiccup maybe with the server right now04:45
mdke_it's been like that for a while for me04:45
nixternalso is the topic based help structure pretty much ready to be ported over to kubuntu?04:45
linuxphotogeekWorking as we speak - Updated to revision 349104:45
linuxphotogeekThanks04:45
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nixternalgood deal linuxphotogeek04:46
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mdke_yeah, still the same delay04:46
nixternalya, i will hold off for a bit on committing stuff04:46
nixternalhrmm04:46
nixternali did notice it though just a second ago04:46
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linuxphotogeekmdke_ There seems to be a problem with the directory tree now that I've updated05:08
linuxphotogeekThere is no 'desktopguide' directory in ubuntu05:08
mdke_linuxphotogeek: go ahead05:08
mdke_that's intentional...05:09
mdke_see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TopicBasedHelp05:10
linuxphotogeekI've made a change and after a 'make dg' the change does not appear in ../build/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/index.html05:10
linuxphotogeekWorked last time05:11
mdke_yes, I haven't got around to fixing the build system05:11
mdke_what change did you make?05:11
linuxphotogeekworking on bug https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-doc/+bug/6269405:12
UbugtuMalone bug 62694 in ubuntu-doc "Incorrect link to Scribus" [Undecided,Confirmed] 05:12
linuxphotogeekSimple really05:12
linuxphotogeekUbugtu - are working on the same bug?05:13
mdke_Ubugtu isn't real, he's a machine that tells you what a bug is about when you mention one05:13
mdke_bug 105:13
UbugtuMalone bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/105:13
mdke_(see?)05:13
linuxphotogeekCool never seen that before.05:13
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mdke_if you do the correction in ubuntu/C/office/office.xml then you can do "yelp office.xml" to view your changes05:14
linuxphotogeekWhen I check as you suggest the changes are included. So I'll send my patch.05:15
linuxphotogeekThe build worked for me last week05:15
linuxphotogeekGot to run to book reading. I'll check back later05:15
linuxphotogeekThanks for your help05:16
mdke_I'll try and fix the builds eventually05:16
mdke_the changes have been very extreme so it will take a bit of time05:16
jsgotangcohello05:21
mdke_hi jsgotangco05:21
jsgotangcohello mdke_ how have you been doing lately05:21
mdke_jsgotangco: well thanks, if busy. You?05:22
jsgotangcopretty busy at work as well05:22
jsgotangcoactually, extremely is a better term05:23
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jsgotangcoi guess its the price i have to pay working for a large company05:23
mdke_ah05:24
nixternalhiya jsgotangco!05:30
nixternalare you ready for chicago yet?05:30
jsgotangcoim leaving on tusday05:30
nixternalwhat dates are you in chicago for?05:31
jsgotangcoill be there from the 20th till 28th i think05:31
nixternalcool05:31
nixternalit was warm the past coupld of days, but the cold is back05:31
nixternalyou get to come to the Bears crazed city05:31
jsgotangcothen go to madison till new year, then go back to chicago on the 2nd05:32
jsgotangcoill just go online when i get there and ping you05:32
nixternalcool..i will try and schedule a free day before i get my daughter05:32
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jmanthamdke: about?08:13
nixternalahh it is the jmantha08:16
jmanthamwuahaha08:16
jmanthanixternal: you looked at the new trunk yet?08:16
nixternaldoes it have gold in it?08:17
nixternali have taken a brief look08:17
nixternali was waiting for mdke to finish his commits, then i was going to look it over and start kubuntu08:17
jmanthaaccording to his email the packaging is broken08:19
nixternalfor the time being it is08:19
nixternalim sure we can fix that up so it isn't08:19
jmanthayeah, I'm checking it out now08:21
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nixternali just committed kubuntu/C/* starting the topic based help09:07
nixternalonly things not validating are xrefs, which can be pulled together after a bit09:08
nixternalmdke: here we go, transmitting file data and it is taking forever09:08
nixternalit seems the files get pushed to the repo as normal, but when it goes to pull the revision info it seems to stall09:18
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mdkejmantha: yes09:28
jmanthamdke: yeah, just saw your email09:29
jmanthamdke: what kind of breakage in packaging does the TBH create?09:29
jmanthajust need to install the files to the right places?09:29
mdkeyes09:29
mdkeI have fixed it all basically now09:29
mdkemaybe the occasional thing still broken09:30
jmanthaah cool09:30
mdkelots still to do though09:30
mdkeubuntu/Makefile is still untouched09:31
jmanthais the cron job set up now for doc.u.c?09:32
mdkeyes, it has been for serious numbers of months09:32
jmanthawell for a while it wasn't building09:33
jmanthabut I'm not sure if it was because of makefiles or what09:34
mdkeyes, that wasn't due to the cronjob though, it was due to the fact that the documents weren't building09:34
mdkenow, they certainly won't be :)09:34
jmanthahmm09:34
jmanthait's odd that they would just stop building09:34
mdkenot really09:35
jmanthaI think the packaging guide wasn't updates for a few months09:35
mdkethere are two really common reasons09:35
jmanthas/updates/updated/09:35
mdkea) someone does a commit which invalidates a document09:35
mdkeb) someone changes a document so that the Makefile doesn't work, or changes the Makefile itself so that it doesn't work09:35
jmanthaif 1 file is invalid does it kill that whole build or just that doc?09:36
mdkeit kills the whole of the build for the group of documents (groups are ubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu, xubuntu)09:36
jmanthahmm, I see09:37
jmanthadoes it log somewhere?09:37
mdkeno, but you can see the error by trying the build09:37
jmanthait'd be handy if we had some sort of status page09:38
mdkeaha. ssh is working again09:43
mdkejmantha: I don't know how that would work. But feel free to dig around09:48
jmanthayeah, I might think about that09:49
nixternaljmantha: status page reading the status from the xml docs or an updated wiki status page?10:15
jmanthaa page that shows the last time the different areas of doc.u.c built and if not shows  an error message10:17
nixternalahh10:22
nixternalhrmm..10:22
nixternalhave the cron job log to a file that is accessible via the web10:26
jmanthawell, or have the makefile spit something out to a file10:27
nixternalwell, it would be easier just to append    > /log/file.txt to the cron10:28
nixternali.e., 0 0 0 0 /path/to/Makefile /path/to/repo  > /path/to/log.txt10:29
jmanthayeah, but I'm not sure if we want all of it, but maybe10:30
jmanthathe first thing would at least be a status of "What worked and what didn't"10:30
nixternalhmm. well, get the makefile to log, and then create a script that will execute a tail -f on the log >> txt10:31
mdkewhoosh10:57
mdkesvn has felt my wrath today10:57
jmanthaheh10:58
jmanthanixternal: do you use vmware at all?11:01
mptOn "svn up" I get "svn: Failed to add directory 'ubuntu': object of the same name already exists"11:14
mptWhat do I do now? :-] 11:15
mdkempt: we had someone else report that too, I must have buggered it up. Can you rm -rf ubuntu/ and svn up again?11:15
mptok11:27
mdkesorry11:28
nixternalLaserJock: yes11:29
nixternalto vmware11:29
nixternalhmm that is an odd error. i wonder why they got it? wonder what was different11:30
mdkeI removed the ubuntu directory with one commit, then added it with the next one, obviously svn didn't like it11:31
mdkeboh11:32
nixternalahh11:36
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